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Speaker 1:
[00:13] Welcome to Game of Roses. This is Pace Case.
Speaker 2:
[00:18] This is Bachelor Clues in the year 2026.
Speaker 1:
[00:24] Oh, I thought we were getting 2027 Clues for a second from your squinting.
Speaker 2:
[00:29] We're not getting 2027 for a long time. And we're going to get into why that's bad.
Speaker 1:
[00:34] No, don't say that in our state of the game.
Speaker 2:
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Speaker 1:
[01:14] That's tonight. Get on it.
Speaker 2:
[01:16] Get it while you can.
Speaker 1:
[01:18] Fire sale.
Speaker 2:
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Speaker 1:
[01:28] And it's award-winning.
Speaker 2:
[01:30] It is.
Speaker 1:
[01:32] And more business. We're watching Survivor on Cazagor and I have caught up on Real Housewives of Rhode Island on Pace Case Palapa.
Speaker 2:
[01:48] Nice.
Speaker 1:
[01:48] As well as one person commented and asked me to do the current season of Summer House. So I have started that with season 10, episode 12.
Speaker 2:
[01:58] Okay, cool.
Speaker 1:
[02:00] So don't watch that unless you've watched all 10 seasons, 10 and 11. 13th. You got to start season one. Sorry.
Speaker 2:
[02:10] Okay. Well, there you have it. There's a bunch going on on our Patreon. Check all that out. I'm still doing Age of Attraction and those lovely virgins. Are you my first?
Speaker 1:
[02:20] I mean, the word on the street is you abandoned those virgins clues.
Speaker 2:
[02:23] Word on the street is we got a long time to get through before 2027, so I'm taking my time doing it right.
Speaker 1:
[02:34] You're going to forget who all the virgins are by the time you get back to this. No one will be a virgin anymore.
Speaker 2:
[02:39] None of them were to begin with. That was the whole controversy with the show.
Speaker 1:
[02:44] The inherent flaw, build a better game.
Speaker 2:
[02:47] Exactly. So wait, all you have to do is say you're a virgin and you get on the show? Yep. Okay. Well, there's no problems there. Okay. Let's move on to our Game of Roses.
Speaker 3:
[03:03] State of the game.
Speaker 2:
[03:07] So how to even begin this? Yesterday, an article came out in Deadline by Peter White. I read it, I react to it. You can check that out on our YouTube or our Patreon. But the long and short of it is this. Rob Mills, the head of ABC Alternative Programming, aka Reality Delevision, has said, batch ain't coming back until that year 2027. As you've heard me say, 2027 is coming. 2027 is almost here. And that is not even a reference to Bachelor. Turns out it is applicable.
Speaker 1:
[03:46] Or were you manifesting this the whole time you were singing 2027? It was manifesting Bachelor to not come back for fucking an entire year.
Speaker 2:
[03:58] I've been singing that song since about 2024.
Speaker 1:
[04:04] When it was underground?
Speaker 2:
[04:06] Yeah, on Dudezy. I used to sing it quite a bit.
Speaker 1:
[04:08] Wait, really?
Speaker 2:
[04:09] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[04:10] Oh my god. Okay.
Speaker 2:
[04:13] Anyways, this article came out...
Speaker 1:
[04:14] For people who don't know what you're talking about, what does 2027 mean to you?
Speaker 2:
[04:19] To me or to humanity?
Speaker 1:
[04:22] Yes.
Speaker 2:
[04:22] 2027 is going to have, I think... This has nothing to do with our state of the game, but whatever. We're talking about it. I believe it's going to have insane ramifications for the future of humanity, specifically where technology is concerned, almost very specifically where AI is concerned, but I think we're also going to get some UFO stuff in 2027 that's going to be ground breaking, earth shattering.
Speaker 1:
[04:50] Is this to do with the scientists?
Speaker 2:
[04:53] I don't know what that's about. It's weird though.
Speaker 1:
[04:57] I would have thought you'd be all up in that forums.
Speaker 2:
[05:01] Or I'm asking the right questions, that's for sure.
Speaker 1:
[05:03] Yes, she's back baby. You're asking the right questions. Okay.
Speaker 2:
[05:09] No, what we're trying to talk about here is, this article came out in Deadline, Rob Mills is in it, and he basically says, there's not going to be any Bachelor product of any type until the year 2027 when Bachelor 30 is going to come back, helmed by Scott Teddy. They're casting for it now. They'll probably shoot in October, November, and it will likely air in January, is what I'm thinking, back in the kind of traditional Monday night, January slot. But what this means is, we ain't getting nothing in the Bachelor universe for this entire calendar year, with potentially the exception of the Bachelor Nation Live at Sea Cruise.
Speaker 1:
[05:51] Potentially.
Speaker 2:
[05:52] Which disembolished in 207 days. However, there is some scuttlebutt afoot that there's a Facebook group, and people are not happy in that Facebook group because the company that is doing the cruise, it's called Sixth Man, they do the Hallmark Cruise and the Headbangers Ball Cruise and the WWE Cruise, they do all these kind of entertainment cruises, and they apparently are not getting back to people's emails, and they apparently are not being exactly forthright about the possibility that it may be canceled. So that's what's going on, it's out there, that's out there. Not official reporting on that.
Speaker 1:
[06:35] Not posted on this, it's all alleged at this point. But there is unrest, and I'm very curious how this is gonna play out, because it seems like they can't cancel it until later, or if they cancel it right now, they'd have to give people their money back. But if they cancel it later, they don't?
Speaker 2:
[06:57] Well, here's the thing, if you're sitting on a ticket to that cruise right now, there's two ways to look at this, in my opinion. And I know how I'd look at it if I had that ticket. One way is, there's no Bachelor on TV. It's all been canceled. I don't think this cruise is gonna happen. Give me my money back.
Speaker 1:
[07:18] That's my instinct, is that it will be canceled.
Speaker 2:
[07:21] Hoop cruise. That's not mine.
Speaker 1:
[07:25] You think double down, buy all the tickets. It's gonna take off, you're gonna be making money.
Speaker 2:
[07:32] Not that it's gonna take off, but that this could be the most interesting Bachelor experience of any Bachelor fan's life. A literal ghost ship of Bachelor celebrities who have to be there contractually, but we've not had the franchises in shambles, and they're still doing some weird song and dance talking about, well, my season was super fun, and it's like, we haven't had Bachelor in a year.
Speaker 1:
[08:02] Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[08:03] Just an angry mob of Bachelor Nation fans. That's what I would go. If I had the ticket, I would go.
Speaker 1:
[08:09] Is this your way of saying that you are going on the cruise, Liz?
Speaker 2:
[08:13] No.
Speaker 1:
[08:13] Clues cruise?
Speaker 2:
[08:15] Here's the thing. I can't do a cruise. I toyed with this idea. There's just no, like I can barely go to a Magic the Gathering pre-release event when there's like 25 people in a room, and I walk in and I'm like, I have to leave immediately. Give me my cards.
Speaker 1:
[08:29] Too many people. Maybe Ghost Cruise is the ticket.
Speaker 2:
[08:33] Right. It's just me.
Speaker 1:
[08:35] Just you and the people who are contractually obligated to be there.
Speaker 2:
[08:38] Once the discount falls down to like 95 percent off, I'll buy all the tickets, then I'll do it. I don't know if that's going to happen, but all this joking aside, the Bachelor Nation Cruise literally is the only thing still scheduled this year in terms of a Bachelor product. I'm not talking about the TV show, obviously, but it's still supposedly happening. Now, what we have to really understand here, I think, is or at least the biggest component of this to me is, we have never had any year like this in the history of the franchise. We've been stutter stepping in this direction in the past couple of years with skipping. They skipped Bachelor, they were going to skip Bachelor this year with Taylor Frankie Paul being the replacement that came out in March instead of January. We didn't have a Bachelor at all last year. Grant Ellis was our most recent main game product that we saw, and that was a year ago.
Speaker 1:
[09:35] They skipped a VIP season. For these reasons, the stutter steps, I'm not surprised by this news. It seems like, okay, let's just regroup. Hopefully people will forget. It's not what I would do. I think that they should be announcing a lead, at least announce who that Bachelor is.
Speaker 2:
[09:58] I agree.
Speaker 1:
[09:59] Get some great casting for that season. You have, what is it, four, six months to cast?
Speaker 2:
[10:06] I would literally, if I was them, I would just ramshackle this together and maybe the chaos of it would be part of the entertainment. I would build out a set that looks a lot like Love Island with me on and shit except it has Bachelor phrases for the right reasons, not gonna make friends, whatever, all around the site.
Speaker 1:
[10:24] That being said.
Speaker 2:
[10:25] And I would get at any cost.
Speaker 1:
[10:27] You know what you signed up for.
Speaker 2:
[10:29] Yeah, and you know what you signed up for. It just says Slucian. I would pay Maria George just a million dollars. And I would get her, I would get everybody like her in that thing. I would get all the villains from the most recent five years we're still single, all the heartthrobs, everybody we want to see back on TV. And I would throw them in there and I would just fuck it. Scott Teddy, you have to make a Love Island season.
Speaker 1:
[10:53] Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[10:54] Never done it before. Well, sorry. Do you want this fucking job or not? You want to rule the Bachelor Nation or not? Get out there. Get it. Where do they shoot it in? Fiji or something?
Speaker 1:
[11:04] Love Island?
Speaker 2:
[11:05] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[11:06] Uh, Mallorca.
Speaker 2:
[11:08] Get your ass to Mallorca.
Speaker 1:
[11:09] Well, wait, they film in different places.
Speaker 2:
[11:12] Wherever it is.
Speaker 1:
[11:13] Yeah, Fiji for US, Mallorca for UK.
Speaker 2:
[11:16] I would do some tropical location. I would do it now. I would do it now.
Speaker 1:
[11:22] Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[11:23] I would preempt Love Island with Love Island energy. I would try to steal their steam a little bit.
Speaker 1:
[11:29] 100%.
Speaker 2:
[11:29] With a bunch of Bachelor players, but shoot it like that and have them doing the same shit. I want to see torque offs. I want to see slot play. I want to see them reading text messages. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1:
[11:40] Yeah. I 100% agree. You're never going to have more eyeballs than you have right now. They're basically going to lose all of the energy that they're getting from this scandal, the all presses, good press thing. And it makes me think they're just literally never going to even address TFB. They're going to be like, oh, enough time's gone by. Let's just announce Bachelor never happened.
Speaker 2:
[12:05] 100%. Here's what you're going to get.
Speaker 1:
[12:07] Head in sand.
Speaker 2:
[12:08] Here's what you're going to get. 2027. Here's what you're going to get. You're going to get a series of Instagram posts on the official Bachelor Nation accounts. That's going to be Jesse Palmer. We're back, Bachelor Nation, and better than ever. More dramatic than ever. The most dramatic season, whatever. All the fucking dumb hyperbole speech. You're going to get all that. Then at the beginning of that next season, that's probably going to air in January, that Bachelor season 30, you're going to have Darko or Jesse Palmer direct addressing the camera. It's been a while, Bachelor Nation, and we're happy to be back. This is Jimmy. He's our Bachelor. Blah, blah, blah. No mention of it whatsoever.
Speaker 1:
[12:50] Yep. I do think that's 100% what's going to happen, unfortunately, because there is an opportunity. And the more time that goes by, the more people have just gone to Love Island to never come back. They've gone to the island life. It's better here. Goodbye, Bachelor, forever. Dusty.
Speaker 2:
[13:16] Yeah, I totally agree. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what this means. Well, let me ask you this. What do you think, who do you think, what type of person do you think will be the next Bachelor?
Speaker 1:
[13:30] Well, I'm wondering whether they're trying to do the Bachelor Happy Hour thing to test it out and be like, oh, which one of these guys?
Speaker 2:
[13:41] Per what we just said, I don't think any of these guys is ever going to be in the franchise again.
Speaker 1:
[13:48] You don't think they'll be in VIP?
Speaker 2:
[13:50] No.
Speaker 1:
[13:51] I think they will. They need them. They need fresh meat.
Speaker 2:
[13:57] They're not doing VIP until next year.
Speaker 1:
[14:00] I know.
Speaker 2:
[14:00] They're going to have a full season of Bachelor and potentially Bachelorette, which I think they need. You think they'll do Bachelorette? In my opinion, if you're going to do this, take a year off, 2027, you better give us everything.
Speaker 1:
[14:13] Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[14:14] We better get Bachelor, Bachelorette, Paradise and Golden.
Speaker 1:
[14:17] I feel like they'll give us Bachelor and VIP. That's my prediction.
Speaker 2:
[14:23] If their MO is going to be sweep under the rug, deny, deny, deny, you can't ever have anybody who was associated with this season doing anything anywhere.
Speaker 1:
[14:32] They put them on the podcast.
Speaker 2:
[14:34] That's because they don't know what the fuck they're doing.
Speaker 1:
[14:36] That's what I'm saying. I don't think there's a coherent through line here. I mean, what a joy and a treat it must be to be a cis, white, straight man in a place of power where you can just fail and fail and fail and keep your job.
Speaker 2:
[15:00] This shit is wild to me. Like, I'll say this, for Rob Mills, I guess I'm not surprised that he's not fired. I am, because they have other things, like Dancing with the Stars just had its biggest season of all time ratings rise with the Salamo dancers when he leave it and Jen Affleck. So, you know, he's like, yeah, Bachelor's in the toilet, but look what I did with Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 1:
[15:25] And they just got, we'll get to it, some more DWTS news. Yeah. But the way that you have fumbled your biggest franchise up until this point, like. The last five years of decision making has been atrocious.
Speaker 2:
[15:45] Yelp. And the thing that really fucking sucks to me is like, and Rob Mills even said it in one of these interviews where he's like, the format is perfect. No shit.
Speaker 1:
[15:55] Exactly.
Speaker 2:
[15:55] All you have to do is play to the fucking format instead of all this weird bombastic shit like when you're, for example, for fucking example, let's take Bachelorette season 19, the Cursed Cruise, the split season, whatever you want to call it. It was Gabby Wendy and Rachel Reckie as dual bachelorettes. They split the fucking player pool so that Rachel Reckie is only dating these guys now. And Gabby Wendy is only dating these guys now. Everybody got half the screen time, which means half the time to build narrative, which means half of the interest from the audience split down the fucking middle to each bachelorette. It was like they were pitting them against each other for screen time.
Speaker 1:
[16:32] Yes, making, you know, being like, oh, they're choosing Gabby over Rekia. Let's shit on Rekia. Not building up either of the bachelorettes. That was a disaster. Oh, the Zoom break, the Zoom breakup, Zoom rose ceremony.
Speaker 2:
[16:49] The Zoom rose ceremony. But that idea of like having the dual bachelorette thing is just a bad idea. From the beginning, very clearly so, as soon as it's pitched, everyone in the room should be like, no, what? We can't, the bachelorette is the bachelorette. It's a story about one woman dating all of these guys.
Speaker 1:
[17:09] It makes no sense.
Speaker 2:
[17:09] They've done it before. Yeah, that too. They've attempted this.
Speaker 1:
[17:12] KB and Britt. You know, you literally have evidence that the audience hates this idea.
Speaker 2:
[17:18] Yeah, exactly correct. And they did it anyway. So this idea that Rob Mills is floating, well, it's a perfect format. Yeah, but you guys fuck it up all the time. Yeah. That's why we are where we are now. And I'm not even saying that Taylor Frankie Paul explicitly was like a bad choice in terms of what she represents, like a celebrity, an Instagram famous person, TikTok famous. I think that's actually the correct direction. Shows that are starting to embrace the idea that social media and reality TV are the same thing, are excelling. Love Island is a perfect example of that. They show social media in the thing. There's always big to do about they get their phones back and, shit, I've got a million followers. Or their families come in and tell them that as it's airing. You're fucking blowing up on TikTok. Oh shit. That's a part of it.
Speaker 1:
[18:06] People are voting with their follows throughout the season.
Speaker 2:
[18:10] Exactly. And so I don't think that it's like a bad idea to have a celebrity as the lead. They just chose one who was incredibly risky given her past life experience and that has now come back and it has tanked it and et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1:
[18:24] Who could have seen it coming? Someone just pointed out in our live that I had said that I thought there was a 50-50 chance that we would even see her season when she was cast because she's so chaotic. I thought she would quit. I didn't think this would happen, but.
Speaker 2:
[18:41] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess there's always that possibility, but I think they were looking to do like a messy season or whatever, which brings me back to my initial question. What kind of guy do you think they're going to make for Bachelor season 30?
Speaker 1:
[18:53] Now you're asking the right question.
Speaker 2:
[18:56] That's right.
Speaker 1:
[18:58] I mean, I think they're going to go with a guy from her season even though.
Speaker 2:
[19:04] They can't.
Speaker 1:
[19:06] Look, I'm not saying that I think that's a good decision.
Speaker 2:
[19:09] Because like think about this.
Speaker 1:
[19:10] I think you go for a squeaky clean male celebrity. You pay Rob Roush whatever he needs to publicly dump his girlfriend.
Speaker 2:
[19:20] Don't even have to publicly dump. Send her on the show.
Speaker 1:
[19:23] Whatever.
Speaker 2:
[19:24] Make her a player. I 100% agree. Here's why you can't have the guy from her season. Because it's going to be like, well, wait, who is this guy? Do we get footage of that season in his promo packages and shit? The season they never aired?
Speaker 1:
[19:37] You can't do that. That will be his PTC. That TFB broke his heart.
Speaker 2:
[19:46] Look, I know that if you're a guy who was on Taylor Frankie Paul's season, I feel very bad for you. I have a lot of sympathy for what you've had to go through, and the fact that you are going to be disappeared is 100% correct. You will never be in another Bachelor product. I cannot imagine them doing that.
Speaker 1:
[20:05] I do not think this is true, but sure. I really don't think that's true. I think they're going to put them in VIP. They've put night one people in VIP. They have put night one-ers. I'm assuming they have the cream of the crop cast for TFPCs and I don't think they're going to waste that.
Speaker 2:
[20:24] But if you put them in the show, you're putting Taylor Frankie Paul in the show. They're posting TFP right now.
Speaker 1:
[20:32] They posted TFP's Instagram story about how she's been going through a lot on the Bachelor Nation Instagram.
Speaker 2:
[20:39] To send Rob Mills out to do this deadline interview, to have him give these quotes, we're not coming back to 2027, means there were a bunch of meetings where they were like, what are we doing with this franchise? Can we ever air Taylor Frankie Paul, blah, blah, blah, blah. The decision was made. If Rob Mills is making these public statements, somewhere in those meetings, we're never airing Taylor Frankie Paul and sweeping under the fucking rug, we start fresh in 2027, full reset. That means they cannot have these guys anywhere in anything.
Speaker 1:
[21:11] I don't think that's true.
Speaker 2:
[21:12] But that's my take on it is that. Look, that's what I would do if I was them. So maybe you're right. Maybe they won't do that. I don't know. But I just don't see a way around it.
Speaker 1:
[21:22] Wait, you would put them in?
Speaker 2:
[21:25] No.
Speaker 1:
[21:26] No, you would disappear them.
Speaker 2:
[21:27] Because I don't want, if I'm ABC, if I'm Warner Brothers and if I'm saying we are not only writing off Taylor Frankie Paul season, we're writing off 2026 calendar year. There's nothing, no Bachelor product ever this year.
Speaker 1:
[21:41] The Cruise never happened.
Speaker 2:
[21:42] That to me is a, yeah, the Cruise. Well, that's the Cruise. That's a hard fucking reset going into 2027. You're going to come out with this Bachelor, who's the new face of the franchise, that should have nothing to do with Taylor Frankie Paul. If this is the choice you've made to scuttle it and move on, that guy can't come from that season. If that guy doesn't come from that season, why would you bring any of those guys back ever in the future so that they can be like, I was on Taylor Frankie Paul's season. Oh my God, what happened? Now that guy's going to have to do podcasts and shit. Is he going to start talking about Taylor Frankie Paul?
Speaker 1:
[22:16] Now that you're saying that, I not only think they're going to make it one of her guys, I think they're going to bring back other of guys from her season to be his Council of Crown.
Speaker 2:
[22:27] I just don't think so.
Speaker 1:
[22:29] That's my guess. I think, if I'm predicting, they tend to overcorrect in these huge decisions that they've been making.
Speaker 2:
[22:39] Of course.
Speaker 1:
[22:40] I think they're going to overcorrect to the TFP thing and choose one of her guys who's a nobody. I think they're going to choose someone who doesn't have followers for The Bachelor.
Speaker 2:
[22:49] You think they might choose the investigator who was doing her domestic assault allegations investigation? Will he be the next Bachelor?
Speaker 1:
[23:00] Do you know who this is?
Speaker 2:
[23:01] From Utah. A cop?
Speaker 1:
[23:02] Oh, God. I don't think they'll do a cop.
Speaker 2:
[23:08] If you are sitting down thinking about this in any real way, and I know that they have, all these executives have, this has been the primary thing they're dealing with for the past fucking two months. They've thought about this, I assume, from every angle. I could be completely wrong in this. They are about a job, but you have to assume. They've been doing a lot of work, putting in a lot of work, maybe not as much as we have thinking about this, maybe not as much as Bachelor Nation has, but nonetheless, they have to be looking at, what is the benefit of including any of these guys in anything? If we are writing off this year, starting fresh with another Bachelor, rebooting the entire franchise, what's the benefit?
Speaker 1:
[23:47] It's hard to cast men. That's the benefit.
Speaker 2:
[23:49] But they have so long to do that. Their Bachelor is next. That's shooting in October, November, I would guess, if they're going back to the old ways.
Speaker 1:
[24:01] Look, I'm just trying to be a pessimistic because they just keep letting me down. So I just assume this is what they're going to do. I believe the best answer is male celebrity. 100% get Robert Rauch, get the Irwin Child, get one of these, the guy that was on Dancing with the Stars who's Irwin's son.
Speaker 2:
[24:32] Irwin?
Speaker 1:
[24:33] Steve Irwin?
Speaker 2:
[24:34] Oh, the Crocodile Hunter?
Speaker 1:
[24:35] Crocodile's son, yeah.
Speaker 2:
[24:37] Oh, right, right, right. I know this guy.
Speaker 1:
[24:40] I know that face.
Speaker 2:
[24:41] The Irwin boy. Yeah, something like that. I don't know, but yeah.
Speaker 1:
[24:47] The astronaut from Artemis.
Speaker 2:
[24:50] I would go with Artemis Astronaut. That'd be pretty cool.
Speaker 1:
[24:55] I just think this person has to be huge. If you're taking this much time off, don't make it a random accountant.
Speaker 2:
[25:04] Here's what I think though, unfortunately, it's gonna be the random accountant. I think they're going to go back to the same pool of guys they were talking to before Taylor Frankie Paul.
Speaker 1:
[25:11] Yes.
Speaker 2:
[25:12] And that direction was definitely like people who don't even have Instagram accounts, that type of shit.
Speaker 1:
[25:16] I think you're right. It's the overcorrection. Oh.
Speaker 2:
[25:19] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[25:20] The problem was that TFE was famous.
Speaker 2:
[25:22] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[25:23] That wasn't the problem.
Speaker 2:
[25:24] Right. The problem was the bar stool.
Speaker 1:
[25:26] The problem was, yeah, the violence. Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[25:30] Anyways, that's where we are. That's the state of the game. No Bachelor product for one calendar year. It's gonna be a long one, but we do have Love Island coming out soon in early June. That's gonna keep us company.
Speaker 1:
[25:40] We will be covering that.
Speaker 2:
[25:43] Another Love is Blind coming out, I think, by the end of the year as well.
Speaker 1:
[25:48] Are they gonna over-correct as well? It's gonna be just all discussions of AOC and...
Speaker 2:
[25:55] I'm down with that. Please show me that season. I'm totally down. Okay. Now we have to move on. Thank you for indulging that conversation about the state of our game. Now let's move on to all those tits that are fit to print. This is. Bachelor Nation News. In TFP News this week, People is reporting that Secret Lives and Mormon Wives season five is resuming production, but it's gonna be missing TFP and Dakota Mortenson, at least for now. The Hulu series will continue filming following a weeks-long pause after the new domestic assault allegations that emerged in late February. Earlier this week, People confirmed that the Paul and Mortenson duo will not be a part of the cast when production resumes.
Speaker 1:
[26:51] A source close to Paul, however, told People that she, quote, has the option to return and it's possible she could make an appearance. The source said, she's receiving strong support from the cast and producers, but is focusing on her kids and mental health issues and recovery from an abusive relationship. She's doing great and realizing how abusive her relationship actually was.
Speaker 2:
[27:18] Putting some blame on Dakota there. And another TFP news, Late Wednesday Night. She has deactivated all of it.
Speaker 1:
[27:23] It's actually about Leigh-Anne. Is it?
Speaker 2:
[27:26] Possibly.
Speaker 1:
[27:27] No, I think it's referencing Dakota.
Speaker 2:
[27:31] Another TFP news late Wednesday night, she has deactivated all of her social media. A source told People the reality star is taking a break for mental health. Taylor is taking a breather. It's been a lot the last couple of months to consume, and will be back shortly to continue sharing her story. She'll decide when the time is right to return to filming on Secret Lives. That's where we are with TFP. The deactivation of her social media to me is like, that's a big one. This is a person whose entire livelihood, personality, life is social media.
Speaker 1:
[27:59] She famously responded in a comment to someone that said, why are you on line during all this? She said, this is my job. I'm going to heal publicly. Yada, yada, yada. It's not a good sign. It's definitely not a good sign for us ever seen that season.
Speaker 2:
[28:16] I agree. Up next in Bachelor Nation News, we have some Alex Cooper news. It seems like there might be trouble in Unwell Paradise, you see. An article came out this week from Bloomberg called Inside Unwell colon tears, screaming and employees looking for the exit. The article goes on to discuss troubles Cooper is facing on multiple fronts. The fallout from her public feud with hot mess host Alex Earl has reportedly rubbed many longtime fans the wrong way. In addition to the feud, Cooper's company Unwell is dealing with employee turnover, underperforming show launches with Love Overboard and Unwell Winter Games, and tensions between Unwell staff and Cooper's husband and co-CEO, Matt Kaplan.
Speaker 1:
[28:59] Kaplan has allegedly developed a reputation for frequently yelling at staff members, with crew reportedly threatening to quit if he doesn't adjust his behavior. During the filming of Unwell's Winter Games, Kaplan allegedly berated staff, resulting in formal complaints.
Speaker 2:
[29:16] Several high-level executives have recently left the company, including the head of brand marketing, the head of the network, and the chief growth officer, with nearly two dozen other key employees leaving between 2025 and 2026.
Speaker 1:
[29:27] Unwell held an all-hands meeting this week to address concerns about show launches, employee retention, and Kaplan's behavior, though notably neither Cooper nor Kaplan attended.
Speaker 2:
[29:39] Just like Love Overboard.
Speaker 1:
[29:42] Love Overboard.
Speaker 2:
[29:43] She didn't promote that show or show up in it, and now she's not even coming to the meeting.
Speaker 1:
[29:46] That is just such a big note to me. Why would you not, even if you're not going to be in the show, at least promote it.
Speaker 2:
[29:56] Make a post.
Speaker 1:
[29:56] That's why I'm like, maybe we don't know what's going on. For some reason, she's trying to distance herself from it. When I read this article the first time, I was like, wait, they're in trouble for that? I'm like, my old company, all of the bosses did that. Every single one, basically.
Speaker 2:
[30:17] It's a different time.
Speaker 1:
[30:20] It is a different time. Ugh, next up in Bachelor Nation News, the great one of Clues and his paramour, Natalie Joy, are hosting the Temptation Island Season Two reunion. In addition to hosting the N.R.U.'s new reality franchise, Age of Attraction, it seems the couple are now turning into Netflix's go-to hosts for their other reality franchises as well. The reunion will air in two parts. It will be aired on Viall's podcast, The Viall Files. Joy and Viall had nothing to do in the main season of Temptation Island, but in hosting the reunion, they will insert themselves into that franchise. And by hosting the reunion on The Viall Files, Viall has made his own podcast a part of the NRU officially. Is this the new model for reunions? Get podcasters to host them on their podcasts. If so, sign us up. Gore formally announces that we'd be happy to host the next Love is Blind reunion.
Speaker 2:
[31:25] I think there may be a deal coming that Viall Files is going to be on Netflix. The podcast has like its own show. I think that's probably coming.
Speaker 1:
[31:36] They are starting to have podcasts on there, I think.
Speaker 2:
[31:39] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[31:40] So that makes sense.
Speaker 2:
[31:41] All the streamers are buying them.
Speaker 1:
[31:44] We are for sale.
Speaker 2:
[31:46] Buy us.
Speaker 1:
[31:48] We could use a new daddy or a mommy.
Speaker 2:
[31:51] Where would you want to wind up?
Speaker 1:
[31:56] Wherever.
Speaker 2:
[31:56] Fox Nation Plus.
Speaker 1:
[31:58] The most money, I mean integrity to our product are.
Speaker 2:
[32:05] I want Fox Nation Plus to buy us so that we can host the reunion of Dark Lord Harrison's Trad Wife Dating show.
Speaker 1:
[32:11] Yeah. What reunion? I mean, that makes me say I want Bravo, but I don't think they're buying podcast.
Speaker 2:
[32:18] Do they? Bravo doesn't have. What does Bravo stream on? They want to brothers? Peacock? Yeah, it would be Peacock.
Speaker 1:
[32:27] Who does this for Peacock?
Speaker 2:
[32:29] Who does what?
Speaker 1:
[32:29] Andy Cohen.
Speaker 2:
[32:31] Yeah. Can we usurp Andy Cohen, you think?
Speaker 1:
[32:37] I would never deign.
Speaker 2:
[32:39] Well, up next, Bachelor Nation News. Maura Higgins has officially been announced as the next player on Dancing with the Stars. Our hopes and dreams.
Speaker 1:
[32:49] God damn it.
Speaker 2:
[32:50] I know. Our hopes and dreams of a Maura Higgins crown have been shattered along with our hopes and dreams of having any Bachelor product at all this calendar year, but she will be dancing around on ABC during Hulu's Get Real house event on April 22nd. Dancing with the Stars hosts Alfonso Ribeiro and Julianne Hough announced that Maura Higgins and Ciara Miller are officially the first celebrities competing for the Len Goodman Mirrorball trophy for season 35.
Speaker 1:
[33:15] I didn't know the Mirrorball had a name attached to it. Just learning this now. Higgins said, I'm a strong believer in manifesting. I think I had it on my vision board. Now it is happening, which I cannot believe. I'm sorry. I'll stop. I know it's going to be so hard. But because I really want to do it, I'm going to put my all into it. Higgins' season, Dancing with the Stars, The Next Pro will premiere July 13th on ABC.
Speaker 2:
[33:44] Congrats to her. Finally, Bachelor Nation News, Bachelor Season 25, Nepo babyist Kit Keenan is publishing her first cookbook called In Good Taste. She made the announcement on Instagram with a post featuring the book in the caption, In Good Taste colon effortless chic recipes for every occasion is something I've been working on for years and truly a lifelong dream of mine. It will be published by at Simon Element and Simon and Schuster. On November 10th, pre-order link in my bio. This book holds so much of my heart, my family, and the way I've learned to show love through food. But I can't wait to share with you. Big congrats to Kate Keenan on her journey into the culinary and literary worlds.
Speaker 1:
[34:26] If you had told me that she already published this book, I would believe you.
Speaker 2:
[34:31] Same.
Speaker 1:
[34:32] But Simon and Schuster, same. Were we? Yeah. Oh. Oh, god.
Speaker 2:
[34:41] Allegedly.
Speaker 1:
[34:43] Been a minute. It's been a minute. When's that sequel coming?
Speaker 2:
[34:49] It ain't.
Speaker 1:
[34:50] It ain't. Now, for the portion of our program in which we discuss all of the best parasocial plays that are going on, on our phones, on TikTok, Instagram, wherever you get your parasocial relationships, this is our top five plays of the week. Our number five post goes to Taylor Frankie Paul. The ghost bachelorette made an Instagram video slideshow before she deleted all her social media. The caption read, the last 40 days felt like hell on earth.
Speaker 2:
[35:36] I mean, that's a caption, damn.
Speaker 1:
[35:38] Yeah, it highlighted moments of her life over the last 40 days, a la Lent. I am kind of a Christian undertone here, and it included tear play and prey play, as well as a bunch of screenshots and writings. She posted one behind the scenes of a photo shoot and said, it was like a practice of remaining quiet and still in a room full of eyes. Her Instagram story on April 19th read, I was diagnosed with PTSD about two years ago, which I assume is now CPTSD by more than one therapist for all those that assumed diagnoses. This is complex post-traumatic stress disorder, CPTSD, which can be the result of experiencing chronic trauma like prolonged child abuse or domestic violence. She also reposted a 2024 video where she is biting her lips and looking off into the distance. Quote, just in case you didn't know what dissociation and anxiety look like, she wrote over it in a 2025 video. She is smiling to the camera, saying that she is dissociated while she's pulling out her car keys to open her hotel room. Sat there for a couple of minutes trying to open my hotel door. In slide three, there is a picture of her smiling at the Time 100 Creators event in 2025 along with a video of her applying lip gloss. Quote, how many of us are masters of smiling through it? I cry a lot and high chance someone next to you does this and you have no idea. I just want to heal so I can try and help people in this. Damn. I also cry a lot. High chance you're zooming with one right now Clues.
Speaker 2:
[37:28] Oh yeah, you want to see what dissociation looks like?
Speaker 1:
[37:35] Are you doing SponCon for dissociation now?
Speaker 2:
[37:37] I have mastered that fine art.
Speaker 1:
[37:40] Yeah, I do. I guess the opposite, extreme associating to the point of tears.
Speaker 2:
[37:47] I have fully convinced myself that none of this is real. I think I felt that at a very early age and now thinking back about childhood, I'm like, Oh, okay, it's making sense. Was this a defense mechanism all along?
Speaker 1:
[38:01] Baseball is being thrown at your head.
Speaker 2:
[38:05] I'm just sitting there. Baseballs are pain, pain, pain.
Speaker 1:
[38:07] This isn't real.
Speaker 2:
[38:08] Catch the fucking ball, you piece of shit. And I'm just like, I'm in a video game.
Speaker 1:
[38:14] I mean, I'm always jaw on the floor still at clips of you and your parents on your pod.
Speaker 2:
[38:23] Yeah, you want to learn how to dissociate and start a podcast with your parents. Coming in, in fourth place this week, Kristin Kish, the top chef, traders player, put it out into the Threads universe this week that she wants to become a Dark Lord. Isn't she already a Dark Lord? She hosts a cooking show.
Speaker 1:
[38:42] Oh, a Dark Lord in the dating space, sorry.
Speaker 2:
[38:44] Oh, I'd like to host a queer dating show. Leave a comment helping my pitch. Thank you, TV networks and executives. Feel free to reach out to my people. I'm an emotionally available, active, listening, perspective offering TV host already.
Speaker 1:
[38:55] Yes.
Speaker 2:
[38:55] Only makes sense to me. 67K likes. I'm down for that.
Speaker 1:
[38:59] Mm-hmm. I think she'd be great. She probably is great on whatever she's Dark Lording already.
Speaker 2:
[39:04] They canceled Queer Level Tomato, right?
Speaker 1:
[39:09] I think so.
Speaker 2:
[39:10] I think they canceled it. She would have been great for that.
Speaker 1:
[39:12] Right. There were so many good kids. I mean, the Gabby Windy fumble, et cetera.
Speaker 2:
[39:18] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[39:18] Our third top play of the week goes to Michelle Young. The Miss Basketball Crown from Young Country revealed her diagnosis of POTS, a form of dysautonomia tied to prior mold-related illness. She posted a 16-slide Instagram post with various photos from her life revealing this diagnosis and highlighting some of the ways that POTS has impacted her life. The caption reads, not sharing as, quote, proof of illness, but sharing so those who are quietly struggling feel seen. Heart hands emoji. The post reframes previously hidden moments behind the camera, kind of like the TFP post, for wedding, honeymoon and proposal, including leaving her honeymoon early, being bedridden after her wedding, and spending days in bed after the Minnesota State Fair. 345K likes.
Speaker 2:
[40:15] Coming in at number two this week, Connor Leavitt. Those clothes, oh, those clothes, sorry. The close magic hobbyist and slumless star made an incredible TikTok this week to the Shake Your Money Maker audio. The Chiron reads, quote, When someone asked me to shake my money maker, dash money face emoji, and you think he's going to do some ass play, whoa, instead. I didn't really think about how that would read. Instead, on Instagram, you don't get any ass play. Instead, you get him quick cutting to his wife, Whitney Leavitt, performing a standing gyrating houju on him. As she swings an invisible lasso over their heads, the caption reads, My C-Sweet Queen, heart emoji, devil horn hand emoji, fire emoji, crown emoji, 716K likes, how many views? 3.8 mil on. That's insane.
Speaker 1:
[41:16] It's such a good post. He's a professional. I mean, he should be the leader of DAD talk, telling these men what to do.
Speaker 2:
[41:25] Isn't he already that?
Speaker 1:
[41:26] He's the de facto leader.
Speaker 2:
[41:27] Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:
[41:28] Well, the problem is he's like, you know, by coastal or whatever. It's hard to...
Speaker 2:
[41:32] It's him or Macy's husband. Those are the only two left, isn't it?
Speaker 1:
[41:35] Jacob? Jacob's not the leader of DAD talk. All of these were outstanding plays. However, there can only be one winner. Our top play of the week, the gold medal goes to Ciara Miller and Ariana Maddox. I mentioned last week Ciara has handled her summer house scandal incredibly parasocially last week. She is choosing to speak through these veiled giant brand deal Instagram captions and a Glamour magazine cover interview rather than issue a direct statement on her Instagram story. We thought her announcement of joining Dancing with the Stars would be the parasocial play of the week, but she managed to one-up it with this offering with Maddox. The Bravo cheating scandal public betrayal victimization edit recipient, Stars, executed an impeccable joint SponCon play via Instagram reel this week for Sonic drive-in. As they sip their cold juice drinks in a nook, Maddox tries to extract tea from Miller about the recent franchise rocking West Wilson and Amanda Batula hard launch vaguely. Miller repeatedly denies having updates saying she's not on social media, although her tone and wink hint at perhaps a secret tea seller. The caption reads, Nope, nothing new here, except at Sonic drive-in, new frozen refreshers coming May 18. Hashtag Sonic partner, hashtag sip to that. 1.6 million views, 190k likes. Maddox herself pivoted into Dancing with the Stars, then Dark Lording on Love Island and starring as Roxy Hart in Chicago the musical. Will Miller follow in her footsteps? So far, so good.
Speaker 2:
[43:22] Damn, I love that, like incorporating SpawnCon into whatever the real life controversy is. It's like, that is to me, perfect SpawnCon.
Speaker 1:
[43:32] It is literally perfect. I'm like, I don't know if this is Sierra's strategy or whoever her people are, but give that person a raise. Give yourself a raise if it's you.
Speaker 2:
[43:47] Give yourself a raise if you do that.
Speaker 1:
[43:50] I mean, you don't, I guess. But I just don't want to say, this is definitely someone else's idea. It's just so brilliant because most people handle it via subtext on Instagram, a one off reel or something. She's turning it into huge bags of money. Yeah, great. She's almost a million Instagram followers.
Speaker 2:
[44:15] But this is like the I feel like personally, SponCon is like changing a little bit. The old days of just like, oh, they have X amount of followers, have them like hold up the thing and say they like it. Fine. That will still exist. That's kind of like low hanging fruit. This type of shit is the next era.
Speaker 1:
[44:33] Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[44:34] Where it's like we're getting into the spawn, is getting into the con way more. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1:
[44:43] A hundred percent.
Speaker 2:
[44:43] It's like they're at a sonic drive-in talking about the scandal that's happening in their real lives and shit in a cheeky, funny way. It's a different beast.
Speaker 1:
[44:52] No, it's like masterfully mixed together. People want to, like, often you get lower, lower likes per views on SponCon, but like because she's the victim in this situation, I think that's going to go up.
Speaker 2:
[45:09] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[45:09] And also it's so brilliant to pair her with Ariantematics. I didn't even think of that. Like, I mean, a lot of people have been comparing the Scandals, but that duo, it's just, ugh. I wanted to cry. I have goosebumps. And a Sonic commercial.
Speaker 2:
[45:29] Hey, that's the world we're living in. 2027 is coming. 2027 is almost here.
Speaker 1:
[45:32] 2027 is almost here.
Speaker 2:
[45:35] That was my best.
Speaker 1:
[45:37] Give me those stubs up, baby, jay dust.
Speaker 2:
[45:39] Stubs up, baby, jay dust.
Speaker 1:
[45:40] Stubs up, baby. I gotta finish that season.
Speaker 2:
[45:42] That show is so fucking good. Anyway, I also just like the idea that these players might actually reveal some big piece of personal information in a fucking piece of SpawnCon. Brilliant. Anyways.
Speaker 1:
[45:57] It's so good.
Speaker 2:
[45:58] Congrats to all these human beings doing their parasocial plays. We did have one non-human this week taking center stage for this week's Parasocial Creature of the Week. We're going to Jason and Molly Mesnick. They posted an adorable video to their Instagrams featuring a shot of each member of their family's feet kind of walking by the camera. And then the final member walks into frame and it's the full body of this cute little puppy who stops and looks in the camera and comes up and sniffs on the camera. This new Mesnick and K9 is our Parasocial Creature of the Week.
Speaker 1:
[46:31] Oh my god. This is a cute puppy. Holy shit. It's like a great, like whatever TikTok format already. And then this puppy is like, I don't even think it's real.
Speaker 2:
[46:46] I know it's probably AI. Probably that wraps up all the parasocial plays this week from our humans and non humans alike. Now it's time for Pace Case and I to dip down to those dark waters at the very bottom of the pit and issue forth our scream about how our fandom of reality television is drastically affected. What we are at a cellular level. This is...
Speaker 1:
[47:13] Motherhood has increased the screams depths for me.
Speaker 2:
[47:17] Okay, sure.
Speaker 1:
[47:18] In a way, I was not really anticipating. I've already shared certain screams from my birth story, etc. I have joined a class, or it's called a Parent and Me class, where it's like couples and their babies that are the same age as Ollie, and you learn about whatever, baby development and stuff. But I think a big part of it is just meeting people with kids the same age. In the first class, we didn't have to. You could share your birth story if you wanted to, or your pregnancy or whatever. And I shared a story, and it basically involved... I always say yes whenever doctors ask if a med student can be in the room or whatever or watch whatever. And I did this with the birth, which I just didn't even think about it. And in retrospect, like, I'm glad I did it because it created this very strong memory for me of like... Essentially, I just kept trying to make jokes to all of the med students who were watching in my... While you're giving birth. While I was giving birth. In my mind, it was like 50 people, although other people are saying it was fewer. And I shared this story in the class, and the woman leading it was like, what is your job? And I was like, oh, I have a podcast. She's like, oh, because I guess like other people wouldn't feel that pressure to do so. And mine was really strong. And it made me remember that I did have the thought like, what if one of these people like listen to the podcast? Like, can you imagine that? They're like, oh my God, I'm delivering, he's his baby.
Speaker 2:
[49:26] Yeah, that's their scream from the pit. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[49:32] And like people just kept coming up to me over the next couple of days being like, oh, I was there. Like, in my mind, 100,000 people. I was like, oh, okay.
Speaker 2:
[49:41] That's cool.
Speaker 1:
[49:41] I have no idea. Yeah, that's my scream.
Speaker 4:
[49:45] All right.
Speaker 2:
[49:47] It's a good scream.
Speaker 1:
[49:48] Yeah. And I met a reality TV producer. Right.
Speaker 2:
[49:53] In in the mommy?
Speaker 1:
[49:54] More to come. Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[49:56] Nice. My scream this week involves a hunt. I'm on one. I'm seeking certain items for my collection.
Speaker 1:
[50:08] More gem shorts?
Speaker 2:
[50:09] No.
Speaker 1:
[50:11] Okay.
Speaker 2:
[50:11] It's even harder to find.
Speaker 1:
[50:12] Okay.
Speaker 2:
[50:14] I'm looking for Taylor Frankie Paul Cinnabon paraphernalia. They made boxes with her picture on it, with the Bachelorette logo on it.
Speaker 1:
[50:27] Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[50:27] And they had a whole thing planned that they were gonna do all through March and April and early May, I guess, when her season would have been airing, where you could go buy your Cinnabons and they put it in a nice box for you and they got her picture on it.
Speaker 1:
[50:43] Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[50:44] Now, just like we had access to Night One and a screener that we never watched, I could have gone to Cinnabon probably the day that the announcement came out and gotten one of those boxes, but now you can't. I called Cinnabon in the Century City Mall. Pace Case, you heard this call.
Speaker 1:
[50:59] Unfortunately.
Speaker 2:
[51:00] I was told they had to immediately destroy all of these products. What that means, I don't know, other than I can't get one, so I'm putting out the call. If you have access to one of these Taylor Frankie Paul Cinnabon boxes, let me know. DM me. I need it. I'm on the hunt.
Speaker 1:
[51:26] It's like I feel like you should be able to get it because there were probably so many of them, but also they were probably all destroyed, destroyed immediately, not even sent back to a printer, not put in a back room.
Speaker 2:
[51:40] I was told they were immediately destroyed.
Speaker 1:
[51:46] I need to look. I heard part of your phone call. I felt so bad for this woman. She escalated in how crazy the phone call got.
Speaker 2:
[51:55] She didn't even know who Taylor Frankie Paul was.
Speaker 1:
[52:00] I told her you were going to go to the Bay Area and dig through the landfills. Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[52:06] And?
Speaker 1:
[52:09] I just don't think she probably receives a lot of calls like that.
Speaker 2:
[52:13] Maybe not. Sorry. I'm on a hunt.
Speaker 1:
[52:16] Do you think she just like hangs up the phone and says to her coworker, like, do you know what this person was asking for who just called? No, I think maybe she's constantly getting calls like that.
Speaker 2:
[52:28] It's that fucking guy looking for a Taylor Frankie Paul box again.
Speaker 1:
[52:32] Yeah. Every day. Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[52:34] Every day at 1143. He calls. No, I'm just looking for this box. I want to have some piece of paraphernalia from her season because I know it's out there. I know they made it. The only thing that I can't I mean, I remember seeing the poster for it. Like when I walked by the Cinnabon maybe a week or two before the season was about to air and there was her face on a thing and I was like, Oh cool, they're going to have some Taylor Frankie Paul stuff. I'll get a Cinnabon eventually during her season sometime and get that box and then everything scuttled. So I need that box. I need the Cinnabon Taylor Frankie Paul merchandise. It exists. Just much of it has been destroyed. If you have a line on it, DM me. That's my scream.
Speaker 1:
[53:17] Yeah, this is our movie. It's Groundhog Day. It's the day they canceled the season. Oh, you and I reliving it over and over again. But we actually watch the screener. We actually get the Cinnabon box. And then maybe ultimately we try to save the franchise that day. That would be like the main.
Speaker 2:
[53:38] We have to take a road trip to Utah and convince Dakota not to release the video.
Speaker 1:
[53:42] Yes, it would require the video not being released.
Speaker 2:
[53:48] We have to kidnap Dakota.
Speaker 1:
[53:52] Okay. Probably that.
Speaker 2:
[53:54] Let's move on. We are not the only people screaming here in the darkest parts of the pit. If you would like to submit your scream, all you have to do is go to patreon.com/game of Roses. Join us in the bottom of the pit. Get on our Discord. In that Discord is a channel called Submit Your Screams. You upload a one minute or shorter audio or video clip of the scream. We play the best ones here. This one comes with some other materials as well, I believe, but we have to listen to it first. Are you ready, Pace Gate? Yeah. Here we go.
Speaker 4:
[54:24] Hi, Pitt. So this scream has been building for about two months and with the help of a lot of you. So for those who don't know, a few of us in the Discord a while back decided we wanted to see some data on who ends up here in our beloved pit. So I, of course, jumped into action and created a survey, which nearly 300 of you responded to. It closed about a month ago and since then, I've spent dozens of hours making charts and analyzing data. And now we have nearly 100 slide long document. My friends, my family, my coworkers, everyone's heard about this endeavor in extensive detail. And now I can finally share the results with all of you. So if you will, please accept this offering in service of the pit. Praise be.
Speaker 1:
[55:11] Okay.
Speaker 4:
[55:11] Wow.
Speaker 2:
[55:13] This is from Extra Legs Mags on Discord. I've got a link here to the census.
Speaker 1:
[55:20] Wow.
Speaker 2:
[55:23] Let me see if I can share.
Speaker 1:
[55:25] 100 slides. By the way, I apologize for everything. I think I briefly talked about Justin Bieber, the Coachella set from Weekend One. I went and watched the second weekend and I was basically brought to Tier Play. Completely changed my mind on it.
Speaker 2:
[55:44] You're a Belieber?
Speaker 1:
[55:46] A 100 percent a Belieber. I mean, I've always been a Belieber, but I was disappointed by the slow start of the show and him lying on the ground in one of the first few songs. I'll do it.
Speaker 2:
[56:00] I'll take the energy right out of the concert when the person singing just lays down.
Speaker 1:
[56:04] It was tough, but then he started doing these duets with his childhood self and it was unbelievable.
Speaker 2:
[56:13] Well, here we have our census from Extra Legs Meg. It says, welcome to the pit. As we move through the slides, we've got the census. Fellow pit dwellers, I cannot express my gratitude for your participation in the first ever pit census except to present you with this. My deepest and most visceral scream, enjoy. We've got introduction. This is an incredibly complex document. And I guess it's asking. Okay, so here's the demographic questions. We've got generation. 4.3 Gen X? What? That's it? We got a baby boomer, 0.07 percent Gen Z, 14.4. Of course, millennial is the big demographic here.
Speaker 1:
[57:02] 80.5 percent millennial. Wow.
Speaker 2:
[57:05] That's wild.
Speaker 1:
[57:06] I feel like that's like somehow like voting for me.
Speaker 2:
[57:10] Yeah. Pretty even distribution of zodiac signs, although there is one clear winner.
Speaker 1:
[57:45] It's at Taurus. That's me. It's Taurus. He's a baby and Libra and then the rest.
Speaker 2:
[57:51] Yeah. The least represented in our in the pit here is Aquarius. It's 6.2 percent. Gender. We've got 3.6 non-binary. We've got that beats out man. There's only 1.8 percent man listening to this.
Speaker 3:
[58:13] Holy shit.
Speaker 1:
[58:15] This is the funniest pie chart I've ever seen in my entire life.
Speaker 2:
[58:23] Holy Christ. It's crazy to see it like this. I mean, I've had my suspicions that it's probably something like this. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[58:29] You know, I mean, it was like predominantly women. But this is. Oh, I love it. I love this. We need to do better. That 1.8 percent of men get out of here.
Speaker 2:
[58:42] We've got Asian ethnicity. We've got statehood. Not necessarily.
Speaker 1:
[58:48] I mean, this is like a currently, but this is an episode in itself.
Speaker 2:
[58:53] Yeah, there's so much.
Speaker 1:
[58:54] This is expensive.
Speaker 2:
[58:56] There are.
Speaker 1:
[58:56] Holy shit. There is 100 slides.
Speaker 2:
[59:00] There's 90 slides. Let's see if we can hit some other highlights here. What's this one? Favorite color. Holy shit. Green, the big winner here at 26.9 purple. More purple. What's your 20.8 second place? Let's see. What is this? Who is your favorite musical artist? Taylor Swift gets the big nod there with. It looks like The Beatles, Fallowboy, Beyonce, Harry Styles, Frank Ocean are also kind of coming in there. Morning Person or Night Owl? 58.2% Night Owl. Welcome fellow Night Owl. Thank you. City or nature? Nature, winning 56% over city. That ain't me. Couldn't be me. Sweet or salty? And almost even split 50.8% to 49.2%.
Speaker 1:
[59:58] I'm curious about these versus the US averages.
Speaker 2:
[60:03] Yeah, I don't know. Oh, interesting.
Speaker 1:
[60:06] What do you feel is about AI?
Speaker 2:
[60:07] I strongly encourage you to look at the linked Google form, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 24, I don't know how, this is like a bar graph of all people surveyed.
Speaker 1:
[60:17] This is so many answers.
Speaker 2:
[60:19] Hate it is the biggest bar, neutral is the second biggest, love it. No, no response is the third biggest, love it is the fourth biggest. Then we have a bunch of other stuff, strongly opposed to it, afraid, concerned, guilty using it. But Clues is okay is six people.
Speaker 1:
[60:37] But Clues is okay. It should just be the come, come, come song is okay though.
Speaker 2:
[60:43] Yeah, come, come. If you hate AI, then you hate come, come.
Speaker 1:
[60:48] You're most an itch.
Speaker 2:
[60:50] Yeah, we've got allergies being listed here.
Speaker 1:
[60:52] I used to be allergic to apple juice.
Speaker 2:
[60:54] Is that dust apples or is that dust? And then apples is a no.
Speaker 1:
[60:58] They're separate. They're different sizes.
Speaker 2:
[61:00] I've never had a dust apple. How many unread emails are in your inbox? 10,000 plus is the big winner there at 22.7. I think that's, yeah, we all are in that at this point. Um, correlations or analysis. Favorite player and neurodiversity comparison of the top three players plus a bonus by neurodivergent and neurotypical respondees. OK, neurodivergent is the red heart. Yellow heart is neurotypical. Hannah Brown. It looks like is the top. Rachel Lindsay.
Speaker 1:
[61:34] Mostly neurotypical lovers. Yeah, Gabby Wendy is the neurodivergent winner.
Speaker 2:
[61:44] This is absolutely fascinating. Favorite player and preferences. Four of six Joey Graziade fans are mourning people. Six of six, I am about to pass out.
Speaker 1:
[62:00] That one hurt my head.
Speaker 2:
[62:02] Six of six Courtney Roberts hit fans, and 14 of 17 Katie Thurstein fans prefer nature. Eight of 12 Caitlin Bristow fans are night owls. Three of four Rachel Recky fans choose salty over sweet. And four of four charity lawsuit fans choose sweet over salty. Okay. This is unbelievable. Oh wait, here's something, here's the pictures of us in here.
Speaker 1:
[62:24] Oh my God.
Speaker 2:
[62:26] Portrait of a Clues as compared to the over all pit population. Preferences, city over nature, salty over sweet, night over morning, hobbies, dancing, gardening and art.
Speaker 1:
[62:35] Wait, I'm confused what this means. This is your answers?
Speaker 2:
[62:39] I don't know. More likely to quit watching bachelor shows, more likely to apply to be on The Bachelor. I'm not quite sure how to read this information. Here's yours though. Portrait of a Pace case, preferences, city over nature.
Speaker 1:
[62:53] Morning over night. Couldn't be me.
Speaker 2:
[62:55] I think you're the yellow one, maybe I'm the red. I don't know. I don't know how this works. Here's another one with us on it. Portrait of an even split.
Speaker 1:
[63:03] What are fiber arts?
Speaker 2:
[63:04] As compared to the overall population. What's that?
Speaker 1:
[63:06] What's fiber arts?
Speaker 2:
[63:11] I think textiles like knitting and crocheting and stuff. I could be wrong, but I believe that's what it is. Clues versus Pace case, dogs versus cats. I don't quite understand this.
Speaker 1:
[63:24] Do you identify with one of us?
Speaker 2:
[63:27] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[63:27] Is that what it means? I don't know. I feel like we need a whole episode on this. This is insane.
Speaker 2:
[63:31] I need to be trained in how to read this data, but this is absolutely incredible. We cannot thank you enough.
Speaker 1:
[63:39] Extra legs, Meg.
Speaker 2:
[63:41] Putting this together killing me in the process of seeing it. This is, of course, one of the deepest level screams I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 1:
[63:50] I mean, I can't think of a deeper one. Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[63:52] The amount of work that went into this is phenomenal, and I'm sure there's a bunch of data here to be mined. I'm not sure where this is available. Is it in our Patreon somewhere? Has Extra Legs Meg made this available? I'm sure.
Speaker 1:
[64:06] I don't know.
Speaker 2:
[64:07] We'll have it posted. There will be things about this that you can see on our social media and stuff. Hopefully, a link to it as well. But can't thank you enough, Extra Legs Meg. This is incredible.
Speaker 1:
[64:17] Yeah, I'm like, I have so many follow up questions. I'm like, you said all your family and friends know about this. What do they think about it?
Speaker 2:
[64:24] Yeah, what?
Speaker 3:
[64:27] That should be the final slide.
Speaker 2:
[64:29] Just quotes from your family about this document. We were concerned for a very long time. Now we're extremely concerned. Thank you, everyone, for joining us. Thank you, Extra Legs, for this incredible document. I've never seen anything like it. And remember, if anybody out there has access to that Taylor Frankie Paul Cinnabon box, DM me.
Speaker 1:
[64:51] We know you're all women pretty much. So and women, they get stuff done.
Speaker 2:
[64:57] They get Cinnabon boxes.
Speaker 1:
[64:58] I know anything.
Speaker 2:
[65:00] Indeed. Thanks for joining us. We'll be back on. Tuesday. Yeah, except I think that's right. Except in a lot of corners, poppers and corners may be popping off throughout the weekend, but everybody have a good know our our live, our live on Monday, live on Monday. We'll see you for the live on Monday. And then we'll have another episode out Tuesday and more to follow.
Speaker 1:
[65:27] Praise be Dark Lord Palmer.
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