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Speaker 1:
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Speaker 3:
[03:30] Our players this week are Marie Rodriguez, our masseuse and our victim, Luiz Perez, the manager at the massage parlor and our attendant victim, Henry Sanchez, Tosha's boyfriend and accomplice, Timothy Johnson, our accomplice, and Tosha Dunagin, our murderess.

Speaker 1:
[03:57] Tosha LaShawn Dunagin was born on August 21st, 1970, and she's from Texas. Now, we don't know much about her childhood, but I do know that she went to school, but she did not graduate from school because there wasn't a lot of family support. And so she ended up just going straight into the workforce instead of finishing high school. But she did have a high school sweetheart. And when she was in school, she actually was doing really well, but she had to leave and she ended up marrying that high school sweetheart. They were together. It seemed like a good relationship for a while. They ended up having four children. But that relationship ended up being extremely volatile. Her life as this normal wife and mother changed because her husband, the person that she loved, ended up changing. And the abuse in that relationship ended up being so violent, both mentally and physically, that one time Tosha ended up in the ICU at the hands of her husband. And so her husband was arrested. He was charged with assault and battery. Tosha found a way out of that relationship. And so now she's at this point where she is focusing on herself. She is focusing on her children. And she's just trying to make ends meet. For the next couple of years, she's moving around from place to place, trying to find work wherever she can get it. Especially, you know, it's a little hard. Even if you don't have a high school diploma, they're always going to ask. While she is on her Get Her Groove Back tour, she ends up meeting and falling in love with somebody new. And his name is Henry Sanchez.

Speaker 3:
[05:29] Henry Sanchez was also known as IBL. This was a Hispanic man who hustled.

Speaker 1:
[05:37] Yeah, he did.

Speaker 3:
[05:38] While work. Well, you can get it easy, right? So, you know, when you're hustling, it looks a lot like hanging out where people can find you to get what they need. You know what I mean?

Speaker 4:
[05:47] Especially if what you need is drugs.

Speaker 3:
[05:49] Yeah. I don't really know what this man look like. Texas DOC got him listed as black. Duh.

Speaker 1:
[05:55] Poor my man.

Speaker 3:
[05:56] Had him as a white Hispanic man.

Speaker 1:
[05:59] But you know, for race, it's white, black or Asian, so I guess.

Speaker 3:
[06:02] That's what I'm saying, but they had him as like a white Hispanic on there.

Speaker 1:
[06:05] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[06:06] It's not like he was given who's a black Hispanic.

Speaker 1:
[06:10] He just wasn't given Afro Latina. He wasn't given Afro Latin. But you know, we know how those shows go.

Speaker 3:
[06:16] Nine times out of ten, if you saw Henry, he was with his cousin, Timothy Spliff Johnson.

Speaker 1:
[06:24] Come on, Spliff.

Speaker 3:
[06:25] Come on, Spliff. I know how you like your blunts. Okay. I don't know exactly when Tosha met Timothy. It seems like it was like sometime in her 30s. Timothy was like, we got to get to this money. You know what I'm saying? These odd jobs, these McDonald's, it's just slow. And I don't really like slow money. I like my shit fast. You need to like, you know, get a job where you can get some faster money. Then we can both eat. You know what I'm saying? If we both out here hustling and making hustling type money, imagine where we'll be. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1:
[06:59] She's like, okay, hustle.

Speaker 3:
[07:01] Okay. Tell me more, tell me more. It was like, I got this spot you could work at, you know, be a masseuse. She was like, I don't really know how to massage. He's like, it ain't about the massage, baby. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1:
[07:13] It's about the massage.

Speaker 3:
[07:15] You know what I'm saying? Just make sure they leave happy, all right? Tosha's like, I don't know. But also, according to Tosha's family, Henry had a little bit of anger issues and knew how to get his point across. So I don't know how much of a decision she had in a matter of where she was going to work when she picked up this job at the massage parlor. It didn't take long for the relationship to turn violent. It wasn't even like a hidden violence. He was threatening to kill this girl. He was threatening to kill her in front of her kids. She believed him. She was like, You got to pass. I don't see what you can do. When you threaten me, I'm going to believe you the first time.

Speaker 1:
[07:55] Especially, yeah, but like you said, she has been in a relationship like this before, and now she's in another relationship. Unfortunately, it feels like the norm in a relationship. So she knows to take him seriously because her last man put her in the ICU. So if you say you're going to do it, I'm scared too.

Speaker 3:
[08:12] Tosha, she's working at the Sweetest Institute. Customers are leaving very pleased.

Speaker 1:
[08:17] 24-7, 365, you come in here, you're going to feel alive.

Speaker 3:
[08:24] I don't know. Tosha might have been one of the oldest people working there. They said they had a lot of young girls, a lot of teens or younger age women there.

Speaker 1:
[08:32] People being trafficked in there, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[08:35] Very sketchy place, okay? Not great clientele, not great-

Speaker 1:
[08:41] Working environment.

Speaker 3:
[08:42] Yeah, at all. But she did make some good money. Nothing sells like pussy.

Speaker 1:
[08:49] Ain't that the truth, Ruth? They don't call it a pocketbook for nothing.

Speaker 3:
[08:54] She's bringing in some good cash. We're trying to have a problem with it as long as it's your decision. You know what I mean? When other people making you sell yourself, that's the issue. If you decide that's how you're going to eat and that's the best way for you to make money by all means.

Speaker 1:
[09:08] Like if she's there in her thirties, cool. But like you traffic in these young girls, now the massage parlor, come on out.

Speaker 3:
[09:14] And even still with her, yes, she's there in her thirties, but she's there under the direction of her man, of Henry. Not like girl, if this is, oh, I can, y'all gonna let me go. We got a deal. That's one thing. But like somebody else pressuring you into this type of work is another.

Speaker 1:
[09:29] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[09:29] That's basically what's happening to her. She's going home and she's, some days she have a good couple of thousand she bring home, and it's handing it straight over to Henry. I understand how these girls be cashing out and handing it over to their man like that. No, their man can't handle no damn money neither.

Speaker 1:
[09:48] Because I'm the man around here.

Speaker 4:
[09:50] True player for real.

Speaker 3:
[09:52] That's your for real. This institute, or this Swedish institute, massage institute, whatever, is open anytime you need it. You got an itch, they can scratch it. Anytime of the day, anytime of the year. The manager of this establishment was Luiz Perez. At the end of the night, the girls were supposed to give the money they made to their manager, Luiz, and from there he would cut them out of what they would earn. The busiest hours of the store are late night hours, when the niggas is away from their wives. So between 10 PM to 2 AM, that's prime time, baby.

Speaker 1:
[10:33] You know what? I don't know much about this type of business, but I honestly would have believed if you would have told me that prime time would have been the daytime hours and people would just be at work like lunch.

Speaker 3:
[10:42] Yeah, lunch hour.

Speaker 1:
[10:43] Like a lunch rush over there. I know nothing about these establishments.

Speaker 3:
[10:48] The slowest hours are between 4 and 8 AM, which I get because you got to crawl back into that bed sometime, get the kids on the bus, head off to the office. You know what I mean? Throughout the night, their best hours are late at night, so throughout the night, the doors are staying locked. And the only way that the customers and the employees could enter the building was through the front, ringing the doorbell, and then Luiz, armed with the gun, would come and let them inside.

Speaker 1:
[11:14] Or whoever the manager on duty was.

Speaker 3:
[11:17] When you get there, imagine rush hour, flipping through the catalog, rush hour two, flipping through the catalog, looking for your girl of choice. You pick out who you want, you go to the bet, you have the time that you have, you pay, and they post a hand of cash over. That's the shift.

Speaker 1:
[11:36] Like you said, the worst part of this is that they're only getting a cut of their pussy payment. Like you, if so for her, it's, I have to give the money over to the massage parlor. They're going to take their money out, give me a cut. Then I got to give my money over to her boyfriend, and mama is not getting anything for herself. Henry is also feeling like he's getting cut short because he's the second cut. He's like, I think they're shorting you on money. I don't know how he came up with that conclusion, but he said, hey mommy, they're shorting you. And she said, well, you think they are? I don't think they are. Like if I take more money, he said, you need to take more money off the top. She said, if they take more money off the top, they're going to fire me. No, they're not. You just need to get what you owe. You doing all the work, you need to be bringing me all the money.

Speaker 3:
[12:29] And this ain't all the money, right?

Speaker 1:
[12:31] And this business, now the massage parlor, this business has definitely seen some rough days. They've had a couple of robberies, attempted robberies. Now, the managers, they're all toten handguns. I mean, there's a 12 gauge shotgun that live behind the counter. Each manager got a 22 on them. There's glass windows. You got to get buzzed in the door, like the jewelry store's in the hood. It's top flight security to get in there because, I mean, cameras everywhere. You have to be super secure because, I mean, A, you're running on a legal business. B, hopefully, you care at least a little bit about the girl's safety. And C, is robbing. And we got to keep all of our money. Now, all the robberies that did happen there, they never had a register, they never had a safe. The managers, they carry the money in their pocket, which also doesn't feel like the best business strategy, even if it is an underground business. Money always in the pocket, receipts always in their pockets. And so at the end of the day, the manager would give the money to the business owner, everybody would get their cut. That's kind of how it worked. Very under the table, very sketchy. I think after the manager started carrying guns and they really beefed up security, they stopped having problems. So they were feeling pretty confident that nothing was gonna happen anymore. Tosha starts working at the massage parlor in 2002. First couple of days working there, she brings home $1,000. Henry is happy about that, but of course that money does dwindle. She goes there, she doesn't use her real name. Her name is Sasha, and she gives the massages. Hi, my name is Sasha. What kind of happy ending do you want? From the front or from the back? I know somebody, this is a second hand story, but I know somebody that went to a happy ending massage parlor here in Atlanta. And he said he really, he said he did not understand what they were asking when they were asking about the happy ending. He said, I was laying there. And the girl asked me, and you know how sometimes when you're getting a service, you're just like, yeah. He's like, I said, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[14:38] As soon as a language barrier, yes.

Speaker 1:
[14:41] He's like, I just said, yeah. He said, that girl slipped a condom on me, jumped on top, hopped on and then hopped off. And I was like, he said, it happened so quick. So that's how they be burrowing in there, apparently. And that story is at least within the past 10 years here in Atlanta. Just saying. So anyways, Tosha is there as Sasha. And she meets a girl.

Speaker 3:
[15:04] Great cover. She's like, and she probably spells Sasha with a O.

Speaker 1:
[15:12] Sasha. Tosha. Tosha was now by Sasha. And so she meets a girl there. She of course, there's other girls working there. The girls get cool with each other. And so she meets a girl there and her name is Maria Rodriguez. And her and Maria get really cool. Now, Maria, of course, is not going by her real name there. Maria is her legal name, child. At the massage parlor, her name was Lydia. Yeah, that's a good cover up name. Not even close. So Lydia and Sasha, they was real cool working at the massage parlor. And so after a couple of months of Tosha, aka Sasha, working there, she started feeling like the money was drying up. Of course, her boyfriend was like, the money is drying up. So she ended up pocketing a little bit of the money. She just needed a little thing to make, make the ends meet. And of course, her man was supporting this. And when she would ask the massage parlor for a little bit more money from what she did, the massage parlor was like, listen, the rules are rules. You get your cut that I give you and you go about your day. Don't be coming up and what you're gonna do? Call the cops. You're gonna tell the cops what you're doing? I didn't think so. This is really upsetting to her and it's especially upsetting to Henry. To the point where Henry is texting the managers and calling the managers, hey, you need to get my girl some more money. She out here popping this pussy. You need to give her some more money, sir. You don't run nothing around here. I mean, not a single thing. It also put a spotlight on Tasha because now we're looking at you extra close because your man is up here texting and calling us about your money and I think you're pocketing money. And you know what our rule is about pocketing money? You gotta go. So she gets fired.

Speaker 3:
[16:54] He's like, I don't even do second chances.

Speaker 1:
[16:57] And she goes home and she's like, baby, I lost my job. I lost my hustle.

Speaker 4:
[17:02] What are we gonna do?

Speaker 1:
[17:03] And he's like, I don't know what we're gonna do.

Speaker 4:
[17:05] We're gonna have to just sell some more drugs, baby. We just got to sell some more drugs.

Speaker 1:
[17:10] Time goes by. Eviction notices start getting piled up.

Speaker 3:
[17:15] But did that much time even go by? I feel like it was like two weeks later, which then shows that-

Speaker 1:
[17:22] The eviction notice been-

Speaker 3:
[17:23] Henry been not managing the goddamn money.

Speaker 4:
[17:27] Because eviction is taking- Legally, too.

Speaker 1:
[17:29] Take a little minute.

Speaker 3:
[17:31] First of all, you're late. Then you got to be late on the next- You have to become a problem. They ain't like, oh, you ain't pay this month, you out. No. You got 15 days to be late. Then you got to file and they're gonna give you 30 days. You've been mishandling funds.

Speaker 1:
[17:46] I don't think you even think- Tosha probably didn't even put that together. She just saw the eviction notice and was like, oh, fuck. So they're both getting a little desperate. How we gonna eat? How we gonna have some place to live? Lights about to be turned off. We gotta wash our asses. We need water. And Henry's like, you know what? That massage parlor owes you. You know what I'm saying? He hyping her up. They owe you this money. You are entitled to this money. I think we just need to go up there and get it. How we gonna go up there and get it? Well, I know how we gonna go up there and get it. We gonna go up there and we gonna get it by any means necessary, force if needed. And so, on August 29th, 2004, the two of them, they kind of start planning. He's like, okay, you worked there for a little while. Tell me about the building. How does it work? So she's like, okay, you gotta get buzzed in. You have to really go through the managers. The manager keeps the money. The manager does have a gun. So we have to be aware of that. And then we gotta make sure that the girls are good. We have to make sure that they're really gonna ask me what I'm doing. So they're going through all the lists of all the possibilities of how things could go wrong. And they're coming up with a plan of how they're gonna overcome all of those possibilities and get the money that they feel like they're owed. They're like, okay, if we can't get through the front door, then you're gonna have to let us in through the back. She said, okay, I can do that, but how am I gonna get in and let them trust me enough to walk around? And so she's like, okay, I'll just come up with an idea that like, you know, they fired me, I lost something, and then I'll open up the back door for you. They're gonna have a gun. Henry said, don't you worry about that. I got my cousin, Spliff. I'm gonna have Spliff with me. Two guns is better than one. And so ain't nobody gonna get hurt. He gonna see these two guns compared to his one. Three guns, really?

Speaker 3:
[19:35] Here baby, here a gun for you.

Speaker 1:
[19:36] Three guns against one.

Speaker 3:
[19:38] We ain't got nothing to worry about.

Speaker 1:
[19:40] They ain't got nothing to worry about, okay? And Tosha's like, okay, I guess this is what we're gonna do. Henry said, Spliff, we gotta ride. Ride out.

Speaker 3:
[19:52] It's the next day, August 30th, 2004, and they're at the Swedish Institute. It's about five o'clock in the morning. We done hit the last slow hour of the day or the last slowest hour. I'm sure it's not hype, but you know, it ain't Pat. Tosha, Henry and Timothy are on the way to the massage parlor. Henry gives Tosha a 380 and he says, you go first because they know you. So they go or it's going to be down. He says, do not let the doors lock behind you. Do whatever you got to do. Prop it up, something, but we're going to come in behind you, so make sure that door don't lock. Now, Maria and Luiz, the night shift manager, are the only two inside the building. Maria's shift is ending. She's just waiting for a ride to come pick her up. And right outside, I hate to have that shift. Now that you got the slow shift, girl, she must be new.

Speaker 1:
[20:51] Or, you know, she was homegirls with Tosha, so maybe they was mad at her. Or, if it's the slow shift, you're the only girl there, so you got all the clients, even though it's slow, maybe it'll work. You ain't got to share? I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 3:
[21:05] So she's just sitting there waiting for her ride. Outside is Tosha, Henry, and Timothy. Henry and Timothy, they stay in the car. Tosha gets out, she rings the doorbell. Now, it's been almost a month since Tosha has been here, since she's lost her job. And Luiz knows she don't work there no more, but he does recognize the face, so he does let her inside. She gets inside, he locks the door behind her immediately, because that's protocol. Now, once inside, she tells Luiz and Marie that she left her phone charger here. Now, why she's so pressed about a phone charger a month later? Like, baby, you could have bought one by then. She's saying, well, no, I can't. Okay. Charges like $20 these days, a good one.

Speaker 1:
[21:49] Shoot, and in 2004, you got to find the right charger for your phone, because that's when it was a whole bunch of different chargers.

Speaker 3:
[21:55] She starts rummaging over here, rummaging over there, looking through all the drawers and the cabinets, until Luiz, as she rummaging, looks outside and sees Timothy and Henry. At that point, his little radar goes off. It was, what are these two doing? Timothy and Henry start banging at the door. Luiz is like, Tosha, you know these dudes? She's like, mm-mm, I don't know them. And Luiz is telling Tosha, listen, it's 5 a.m. I'm going to walk you out the back door, because these two weirdos knocking on the front, it don't feel safe, so I'm going to let you out this way. Now, Luiz, he's armed, remember? You know, he got a 9-millimeter stuck in his waistband, but even still, he goes and grabs a shotgun, because you know what? Sometimes you got to let niggas know to be afraid.

Speaker 1:
[22:45] Better safe than sorry.

Speaker 3:
[22:46] You know? And if a start walking towards me with a shotgun, I might just change my mind about my plan, so I don't want to smoke.

Speaker 1:
[22:54] There was, I follow this black lady that lives in Texas that has just tons of guns, she's a gun collector, and somebody was commenting, and they were like, what do you think is the best gun for just to have in your home for invaders? She said a shotgun. We have a shotgun at our house, and one time there was like a drone that kept going around my garden, and you know my garden, maybe whoever was watching was very interested. What's it called? I went back there and got that shotgun.

Speaker 4:
[23:22] I pointed it to the sky, that drone said, whoop!

Speaker 1:
[23:26] It never came back. I'm scared of a shotgun. Shoot, kill a deer, you can kill me for sure.

Speaker 3:
[23:32] So after grabbing a shotgun, he starts to walk Tosha down the back hall. Luiz, before they step outside, he starts to look out the back door, and he yells out, hey guys, the store is closed. This feels like a lot because I think 24-7. But he's like, the store is closed, and y'all need to leave. They don't leave. He's like, hey, do you hear me? The store is closed. Get out of here. They still ignore him and start walking in his direction. Now, Tosha ain't even followed outside. She's pacing back and forth through the back hallway because I guess Luiz said, hold on, let me make sure the coast is clear. Tosha says she's terrified at this moment. She doesn't know what's going to happen next. She don't really want nothing to happen next. It's already got to be too much. And shit ain't even really started yet. So-

Speaker 1:
[24:17] And on top of that, Maria is there. So your plan is already getting foiled.

Speaker 3:
[24:22] Luiz is staring Timothy and Henry down. And he's just about to go back inside and close the door. And he feels a piece of cold steel pressed against the back of his head. Which is confusing to him because the who he's worried about is in front of him. So what the fuck is behind me? He turns around and Tosha has a gun pointed to his head. When he turns around, Tosha steps back a little bit, but she keeps the gun pointed at him.

Speaker 1:
[24:51] What's up?

Speaker 3:
[24:52] And he's like, Tosha, what the hell are you doing? She says, Luiz, give me the money. The gun is now in his face. Luiz got the shotty with him, and he pulled that shit right up to her face. I was like, no. Tosha said, don't you shut that door. And Luiz said, you know I can't do that. You know I got to lock the door behind me. Tosha, I don't know what's going on with you, you don't need to be doing this. Tosha's scared, she panicking. And without saying anything, she shoots Luiz in the stomach and runs to the front of the building. You ask Tosha, she say, I don't even know if I shot him or not. I just pulled the trigger and I ran, I was so scared.

Speaker 1:
[25:33] Just close her eyes and pull.

Speaker 3:
[25:35] You know, she runs to the front door, goes out the front door to the parking lot. Timothy and Henry are outside and they was like, you got the cash? And she was like, no, I just shot him. And they was like, all right, we better go in and we better go get the money. Tasha follows behind.

Speaker 4:
[25:49] Take the weed and leave the money. Take the weed and leave the money.

Speaker 1:
[25:52] Take the what and leave the what? I wish you would love that movie.

Speaker 3:
[25:59] Why Tasha follows? I don't know. She says it's because Henry has the keys in his pocket. But like, girl, shit has escalated. Abort plan, abort the mission, leave, get out of there.

Speaker 1:
[26:11] I know Maria is just in there.

Speaker 3:
[26:13] Girl, what?

Speaker 1:
[26:16] I would be.

Speaker 3:
[26:16] Henry and Timothy are now inside, and they have decided to hold Maria hostage. And they are taking personnel files, including Tasha's. And Luiz is on the floor, and he is crawling to a corner and pulls out his cell phone and calls 911. As he's on the phone, he sees Tasha, Henry, and Timothy walking towards him. Timothy has Maria by the neck holding a gun to her head. Maria is screaming, crying, because at this point...

Speaker 1:
[26:46] This is not how she wanted her day to end.

Speaker 3:
[26:47] I also don't have hope that you're not going to shoot me because you just killed Luiz.

Speaker 1:
[26:51] Right.

Speaker 3:
[26:51] Or shot Luiz. He ain't dead yet, but you shot him. I see him on the floor bleeding out from his stomach. And that wasn't even you two niggas who all know. That was my homegirl Tasha. So who knows what the y'all going to do? Luiz then sees something shiny in Luiz's hand, and Tasha is walking a little bit behind Luiz. So Luiz puts his phone down, 911 is still on the line, and he grabs his gun from his waistband, and he fires a shot at the three of them. Nobody's hit, and they keep walking down the hall. Luiz pulls the trigger two more times, and now a shot has hit Henry. Once Henry falls to the ground, Tasha grabs him and dragged him back up the hall in the opposite direction. Which now I'm envisioning this like a slow movie, because it feels like it's happening very slow, right? And you know, like in those movies, when somebody's like on the floor, and the people are just slow walking, like they have all this slow music in the background, and they're just, Pulls out the gun, We're still walking, Now, now Henry's hit. So she's dragging him to the front. They're now in opposite directions of the parlor. And Timothy pushes Maria into one of the rooms, and then shoots her, killing her instantly. He closed the door to the room, and then runs out the front door. Luiz sees this, and like, I'm sure Luiz is feeling bad. His job is to protect the parlor, and to protect the girls in the parlor. And this girl just got shot and killed. He's shot in the stomach. Like, people are down. He just, he cannot wait for 911 to get there, and put this all to a head. Like I said, Luiz is just waiting on the cops to come, and finally he starts to hear sirens, and he's like, Jesus Christ, they're getting close. Thank you, Lord. So, he starts crawling towards the back door, and he makes his way to the parking lot, where he's met by paramedics, and the paramedics, they start working on him. Dallas police officer Jeffrey Loeb arrives at the scene, and Luiz is in the ambulance getting treated. They start heading towards the hospital because he's got to have emergency surgery now. But before surgery, he gives a very detailed description of all of the suspects, Timothy, Henry, and Tosha. Tosha, Tosha. And he's able to tell the detective everything before he gets into surgery. Tosha, Henry, and Timothy, they are on the way to the hospital because, like we said, Henry got shot and he is bleeding. He's bleeding badly. It's a bad wound. They arrive at the Methodist Hospital and they pull into the emergency bay. And Tosha's driving. She gets out the car and she tells the hospital police officer, Edward O'Neill, that her boyfriend has been shot in a carjacking. Henry's bleeding out on the front seat, Timothy's in the back seat, and they all give fake names as Henry is admitted. The police officer, Edward, starts questioning Tosha. Let me know what happened, man. What's going on? How did your boyfriend get shot? She was like, well, we was at the convenience store on Zane Boulevard. That's the one. And Henry, I mean, Frank, he was shot while these guys tried to steal our car. And he was like, any other details you can give me? I mean, that's pretty much the meat and potatoes of it. He says, Timothy or Sam, you got anything you want to add? And Timothy don't add nothing. He's like, I ain't nothing to say. Edward, he's getting weird vibes because as Tasha's talking, Timothy's giving this look that's giving stop talking. Like, if she tried to add another detail, he's like, don't do it. You're saying too much.

Speaker 1:
[30:37] You know, them looks that your grandma get from a church pews while you sit down.

Speaker 3:
[30:44] Like, you know, you got to ask who's been waiting on you at the church.

Speaker 1:
[30:47] That's what it was.

Speaker 3:
[30:48] Tasha, she will stay with her man and make sure he makes a safe recovery. Timothy Dip, he's saying that's all for this shit. The cops is coming over here talking to hospital police. I don't care where they work and it's still police. I'm out.

Speaker 1:
[31:02] I know that's right. Me too.

Speaker 3:
[31:04] Now, according to hospital protocol, the hospital police has to notify the actual police and let them know that there is a gunshot victim present. So, they like give us details.

Speaker 1:
[31:15] The hospital be snitching.

Speaker 3:
[31:17] They do.

Speaker 1:
[31:17] That's why Timothy said do not go to the hospital because they're going to snitch on you. You better take that home, wrap up that wound real tight and let them wait a couple of days.

Speaker 3:
[31:29] You know what I mean?

Speaker 1:
[31:31] Let that man smoke a blunt and be all right.

Speaker 3:
[31:33] What they do on the movies, they just put a little alcohol on them. You be straight. The officer Edward, he's giving this description of Tosha, Henry, and Timothy. The cops are writing this down and they're like, damn, I just took a description just like this. Hold on. And they start to realize that this is probably connected to what's going down at the Swedish Institute. Back at the Institute, they search in the building, they find some bullet casings in the front, they find a shotgun on the floor in a hallway, and it's a very long hallway and there's doors open to all the rooms down the hallway, except for one. That room is named Delta. They open the Delta door and find Maria laying on the floor on her back dead. She had been shot in the stomach and has succumbed to her injuries. Dr. Shalhoub, he's getting his description, and he's like, yeah, this sound like the people who we're looking for up here at the hospital. I'm going to send a crew up there and I'm going to meet y'all up there to figure out what's going on, and if we can put a real link to these cases. Forty minutes after they got to the hospital, they are now in front of Ms. Tosha ready to ask her some questions.

Speaker 1:
[32:49] I know she said, damn, that was fast, damn, that was fast. She thought maybe she was going to be able to get him settled, maybe get him a snack, get him some toiletries and then leave.

Speaker 3:
[32:59] No, you at least make it out of surgery first. I got to see if my man is okay.

Speaker 1:
[33:02] No, baby. So arriving at the scene was Dallas police detective Dan Lusty, and he speaks to Luiz. Luiz is shot, so he's getting medical treatment at the time, but he is alert. He can tell you exactly what was going on. He knows the name of the person that came in and started this robbery. And he at least knows her stage name. And so he's telling them, okay, it's this girl named Sasha. She's dark skinned. She got short hair. She's super thick. She's super pretty. And then he's telling her like, oh, these two men, Hispanic men, this is what they look like. This is about how tall they are. This is about their age and their thirties. And so the investigators are taking all this in and they're assessing the scene because they are hoping that they're going to find the killer because Maria is on the floor dead. And so what happened was she was actually shot only one time and the bullet actually went through her arm. It traveled through the trunk of her body and it punctured her heart and her lung. And so it was almost an instant death for her. It's like, that is not what she wanted to do. Bet you how much you want to bet. How much you want to bet? She came in to cover somebody else's shift. How much you want to bet?

Speaker 3:
[34:18] I don't know. She was like, if my ride would have just been here on time. Every time you need a ride, they late. Every time somebody got to pick you up, they don't pick you up on time. They work on their own schedule.

Speaker 1:
[34:28] They work on their own schedule and now my girl is gone. And so she's dead almost immediately. And then, Tosha, Tosha, you know, she takes her man to the hospital. First of all, cousin, Spliff was like, do not go to the hospital. She's like, I have to, my man is shot. Do not go to the hospital. I have to, my man is shot. You know, when they do that, when they do a shot victim report, they call the police because if you shot, we're calling the police. Detective gets a phone call. They're like, hey, man, we got a shot thing up here. This is the person. And the detective is like, Hey, listen, shot victim up here. And the detective is like, hold on, wait, that sounds like the case. I'm working right now on the other side of town. Let me go ahead and pull up to the hospital. Do you know that even though Henry was in the hospital and dropped him off, Tosha never left. She just stayed there with him.

Speaker 3:
[35:26] She gonna stand by her man.

Speaker 1:
[35:28] Yeah. And the police pulled up on her, standing by her man at the hospital. They're like, hello, what's your name? Tosha, sounds really close to Sasha. Come here. Come on with me. Let's take you down to the precinct. So it's now 10.30 in the morning. She has her first interview and my girl is sticking with her story, okay? She told the medical folks that it was basically car trouble has gone wrong. We were at a convenience store. We were trying to change the tire. A shootout happened. He was struck by a stray bullet. And so I drove him to the hospital. And they were like, okay, okay. Have you ever heard of the Swedish Institute? No, sir. Swedish.

Speaker 3:
[36:05] She probably like, damn, he came up with that phrase.

Speaker 1:
[36:08] Like Swedish Institute? No, I'm American. I ain't Swedish. I'm American. And they're like, yeah, we know that you're American. Have you heard of the Swedish? No, I ain't heard of no Swedish Institute. I don't even know what that is. And they're like, okay, well, there is somebody that survived a shooting over at the Swedish Institute. He said that somebody that looked just like you was the star of all the commotion. She said, just like me. You know, I got one of them faces. Like anybody might think that it's me. No, I think it's you. Have you ever heard of the name Sasha? Again, with this Sasha, I've never heard of no Sasha. And they're like, no girl. You know how you got to stare at somebody and be like, I'm telling you, we know, give it up.

Speaker 4:
[36:55] Sasha, she's like, OK, OK, I didn't mean to hurt Luiz. Like he was really nice to me, but it was self-defense. He had a gun, a shotgun, and he had the gun up to me. And so I just, I was so terrified. So I just shot him in self-defense. Like we were trying to rob him. It was Henry's idea. I ain't got no high school diploma. So I had to get a job at the sex store, okay? At the sex parlor. And now Henry said we had to rob the sex parlor. And they're like, slow down.

Speaker 1:
[37:53] Tell me what happened. Just like I'm telling you. I shot him. I ran. Henry and his cousin, they did everything. Henry and Timothy, they went in there. They robbed everybody. They started shooting. It was a shootout. I had nothing to do with it. I shot him once, okay? I did in the stomach with a.38.

Speaker 4:
[38:15] But I didn't mean to kill him. They're like, it's okay.

Speaker 1:
[38:17] You didn't kill him. But you shot him. And because of you and this whole thing, your friend Maria, she's dead.

Speaker 4:
[38:25] Maria's dead.

Speaker 1:
[38:28] Damn. Tosha's arrested. And they're like, baby, we taking you in for capital murder. So, after her statement, Detective James Stacey speaks with Henry at the hospital. And Henry is being treated for his wounds. And he gives an oral statement saying that he, Tosha and Spliff, they were at the massage parlor not to rob it. They just needed to get a little change. Like, I knew they had money, so we was just trying to break a hundred. And they were like, so you weren't there to rob the place? No, I just need to break a hundred. Okay, so you were there. Huh? Tosha already said you was there. Huh? If you can, huh, you can hear. Doctors, nurses, let us know once he's in stable condition, because we're going to arrest his ass, lock him to the bed. And as soon as he was in stable condition, he was headed down to the station as well. And the last person they needed to find was Timothy. Now, Timothy was the only motherfucker that ran. It said, I'm getting away from here. But now, they got your cousin and your cousin girl. It only took one little anonymous tip for them to find Timothy. He was at a motel, trying to avoid police, and all of a sudden, at his hotel motel, they said, knock, knock, knock, holiday in, it's over.

Speaker 3:
[39:49] This was a capital murder case, so no bond was given. So all three of them sat until they got ready to. Take that shit to trial, bitch. Take that shit to trial, bitch. Now, Tosha's defense attorney was Kevin Brooks. They had Luiz testifying at her trial, and he detailed the entire night when he let her in to when she shot him in the stomach, when the other two came in, killed Maria, all of it. He saw the whole thing. He said that he thought they were bringing Maria to him because they knew he had money, and so once he shot at them and hit Henry, they killed Maria and fled the scene. Tosha gets up there and she testifies in her own defense. She says that she worked at the Swedish Institute from June to August of 2004, and she said that Henry just kept on, kept on bothering her to rob the place. She says it wasn't until the night before that they actually planned out the murder, and they planned to do it the next day. She said she did know that they were gonna bring a gun, and she said that Henry was the mastermind of it all, and that Timothy was just following his lead. She also admitted to shooting Luiz, but said that after she shot him, she sat and she waited in the car, and she didn't leave because Henry had the keys to the car, but she said she was out of it after that, and the only reason she shot Luiz was in self-defense, because he had a shotgun pointed at her. She said she heard several shots fire while she was sitting out in the car, and then Timothy comes running out the place. He gets to the car and says, Henry's been shot, and then Henry came stumbling out the building, and that's when Tosha drove him to the hospital, and she says that she wasn't in the building when Maria got killed. She says that she wasn't the one to drag Henry out the building and get into the car with Timothy. She said Henry nor Timothy knew where they kept records, but she also says she didn't take it himself, so she don't know what happened to the records. I ain't taking it. Ain't nobody touching no records. That wasn't us. Which, like, girl, the records are the least of your worries. Now, she doesn't say at all that she called 911 or tried to help Luiz at any point during this, saying that she was unaware that anyone had been hurt. After admitting that she shot Luiz, maybe they shouldn't have put this girl on the stand.

Speaker 1:
[42:01] It's always like you just never know, because sometimes people can appeal to the jury when they're on the stand. But sometimes it's like, mama should have just stayed quiet.

Speaker 3:
[42:11] Stay quiet, though.

Speaker 1:
[42:14] I really think that I could take the stand in my own defense, no matter what it is, because I'm going to give you a show.

Speaker 3:
[42:20] But the thing is, they're going to catch you in one of those things. So which is it?

Speaker 1:
[42:24] You have to rehearse your lines, baby. You got to rehearse your lines.

Speaker 3:
[42:28] But the thing is, you don't know what the question is going to be asked.

Speaker 1:
[42:31] You need somebody. You need to practice with a couple of different attorneys, get a whole bunch of different styles. You've got to know your story.

Speaker 3:
[42:40] While on the stand, she says, I didn't plan the crime. I didn't call 911. And technically, no, I didn't do anything to stop the crime from continuing. But don't hold me responsible, because it was Henry's idea. That was pretty much the gist of her defense.

Speaker 1:
[42:59] I guess that's just her way of being like, I didn't do the worst of it. But it's almost if you were going to do that, I guess I can wait till OJ for this. But like, it's giving if you. So after all of that, the jury goes out and deliberates. Not long, and they come back and they said, girl, he was guilty as guilty can be. And then they recommended life in prison without the possibility of parole, which is really harsh. It's a harsh sentence. And so-

Speaker 3:
[43:35] Tough pill to swallow, let me tell you.

Speaker 1:
[43:37] Let me tell you. And so that's what the jury recommended. She goes to her sentencing phase, and the judge says, okay, I'm going to give you a little leniency. I'm going to give you life with the possibility, but you're not getting that possibility till after 40 years.

Speaker 2:
[43:54] 40 years!

Speaker 3:
[43:55] Gold? That's a damn near life. That girl, 34 years old.

Speaker 1:
[43:59] Right. My goodness. Timothy was also sentenced to life, and Henry was also sentenced to life without the possibility of parole, because Henry said, no release date. Now, she did try to appeal, and the grounds of that was her saying that the evidence was insufficient to support her conviction. In 2006, though, the trial court said, no girl, we're affirming this. You're going to have to sit. She is now serving her life sentence at Murray Prison in Texas, and she does have parole eligibility in 2044.

Speaker 3:
[44:37] Now, her family has been fighting, fighting, fighting for her release since the day she got convicted. They think Tosha was railroaded by her own defense council, and they said nobody mentioned that Henry was abusive. Nobody talked about her traumatic marriage that may have fueled some of the decisions that she made later.

Speaker 1:
[44:59] Basically saying she has PTSD because of her first marriage, and now she was in this relationship.

Speaker 3:
[45:03] Maybe a little battered woman syndrome, you know?

Speaker 1:
[45:06] And so that's how she ended up.

Speaker 3:
[45:07] Poor, they wouldn't know that shit then.

Speaker 1:
[45:08] They wouldn't even care about that then. Forty years, honestly, you shot somebody and he survived, but you were in a situation where somebody was killed, but you weren't the bullet for that killing, for the killing didn't come from your gun.

Speaker 4:
[45:20] Forty years is a lot.

Speaker 3:
[45:21] They said that a life sentence seemed unfair for someone who had never been in trouble legally. Now, Tosha, at this day and age, now has a total of 10, count them, 10 grandkids, and has met none of them. Not in person, at least.

Speaker 1:
[45:37] 10 grandkids.

Speaker 3:
[45:39] So, on this petition, they say that, what, every child had three? One had none and the other had some. You know? In this petition, they say that Luiz, the manager, mistakenly shot and killed Maria, not Tosha, not Henry, or Timothy. The petition was rough. Had a lot of typos. And in the closing, it said, I implore you and challenge you to not judge and show compassion. Our family asked that all who reached this find it in their hearts to sign this petition at once. Time is of the essence now. We ask that you show compassion with a non-judgmental spirit and sign the petition or donate funds towards this legal battle. We are family mourning over the loss of our beloved mother and grandmother. And in closing, we would like to add and in closing, not in closing, but in closing.

Speaker 1:
[46:38] Listen, we already know they're not the most educated bunch.

Speaker 3:
[46:41] It says E-N-C-L-O-S-N, but they mean to say and it says and, and not and, and in closing.

Speaker 2:
[46:52] They're trying, okay?

Speaker 1:
[46:53] They're fighting. They have a legal right to fight.

Speaker 3:
[46:56] And in closing, we would like to add that the state of California and the wonderful residents voted to strike down the Law of Parties Act in state of California. 800 people returned to court to receive lesser sentences. If they were not directly involved in the murder of a victim, if they did not cause actual death, they were given lenient sentences under the law of parties that was cast out in the state of California in 2018. People received their lives back, which were so cruelly taken over the murder rule, long or parties.

Speaker 1:
[47:27] I'm not going to say I disagree with her family.

Speaker 3:
[47:30] And if it's an action that's already being taken, it's a good plea to make.

Speaker 1:
[47:34] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[47:35] Disappeal was in fact denied. So she remains in prison. Timothy is still at the Stiltz Prison. And we were unable to find Henry at the Texas DOC. Could have died. Could have just been overlooked. But that is the story of Tosha Dunagin.

Speaker 1:
[47:56] All right, y'all, it's time for.

Speaker 3:
[47:58] Well, I'm not black. I'm OG.

Speaker 1:
[48:02] I ain't do it. Did not do it. But if I did, this is how I would have got away with it.

Speaker 3:
[48:07] Tosha. Girl.

Speaker 1:
[48:10] Girl.

Speaker 3:
[48:11] Tosha, I ain't do it. But if I did, why you gon show your face there when they know? They know, like, they should have came in as customers.

Speaker 1:
[48:21] Yep. As customers trying to get a little massage.

Speaker 3:
[48:25] And then it was only two people there. You, Luiz ain't gon be looking for two weirdos out front. He gon let, they should have bust a little nut, wrap it up. Oh, let me pull up my cash to pay. Boom.

Speaker 1:
[48:36] Yeah. Boom. We out.

Speaker 3:
[48:38] We robbed the place. That would have went better.

Speaker 1:
[48:40] And, and Maria, even if, you know, Maria was the girl that was servicing them, she gon be in the back cleanin up herself. You know what I'm sayin?

Speaker 3:
[48:49] Like, you should play that differently. Also, if you was gon be the one, you lookin for a charger from a month ago, that's your excuse?

Speaker 1:
[48:57] I mean, how else was she gon get in there?

Speaker 3:
[48:59] My phone charger?

Speaker 1:
[49:00] I don't know any other, like, excuse that she would have had to be in there. I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I can't find one.

Speaker 3:
[49:08] You better had lost your great granny's necklace or some shit. A charger, girl? If I had Luiz, I'd have been like, here's $15. It seems like you gon throw a hard time. I'm gon pick you a one.

Speaker 1:
[49:21] Get you a charger. I'll let the owners know I was short because it is.

Speaker 3:
[49:25] Right.

Speaker 1:
[49:25] You can't come up in here, Shawty. I ain't do it, but if I did, like I said before, take that plea. You should have took a plea. You should have fought for a plea.

Speaker 3:
[49:32] Absolutely. Because your defense was horrible.

Speaker 1:
[49:36] If there wasn't a plea on the table, then that makes me agree with the family that she was being railroaded by her own defense attorney. Because they should have put, if you are saying I did it, but the thing is I didn't pull the trigger, but I was there and you were a part of the situation, time to go for manslaughter, time to go for involuntary manslaughter, and time to go for whatever the charge is for shooting somebody and they survive. Attempted murder, attempted murder and then involuntary manslaughter, you might be out by now.

Speaker 3:
[50:08] I ain't do it. But if I did, you fucked up in your appeal by sitting here saying that it was Luiz who killed Maria. Fuck them niggas. Fuck Henry. Fuck Timothy. They did that shit. That's not what you need to be worried about is trying to cover their asses. They did it. Leave that part out. Talk about you. I killed no one. I shot this man and then I stopped participating. I didn't end it, but I didn't keep participating.

Speaker 1:
[50:36] After that, I was in the alleyway out back.

Speaker 3:
[50:38] You are freeing people for not committing the murder. You are lessening their sentence. Let's focus on that. But I think you starting it off by still denying actions and still trying to point the finger someplace else. I don't even want to hear shit else you saying, honestly, because you still in there not taking accountability. You're not ready to be out yet anyways.

Speaker 1:
[50:56] I ain't do it, but if I did, you got to roll to the hospital, kick your man out the side door and roll away. They do it all the time in the movies. You're not watching enough movies, baby. You got to just, and he will figure it out from there.

Speaker 3:
[51:10] And I think, I don't know if she got any appeals left in it, but I think this is a good day and age to go and do a little battery women syndrome.

Speaker 1:
[51:18] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[51:19] Take accountability. People focus on that aspect of it all, you know?

Speaker 1:
[51:23] Exactly. I ain't do it, but if I did, I ain't do it, but if I did, okay, if I'm working at the massage parlor, right, and I got these clientels that are coming in and I know that I want to get some more money, I would just start making a little business cards. Hey, if you just want a private session, you ain't got to have a middle man. You can come to my apartment. Here you go. I would have started building up my clientele and I would have just started honing at home.

Speaker 3:
[51:48] Because when you were in charge of your bot and that's the thing, you ain't need him like, I don't know if this is what you want.

Speaker 1:
[51:53] If Henry was a real thinker, a real businessman, he would have came up with that too, not saying steal the money.

Speaker 3:
[51:57] He would have said, you know, baby, because stealing the money is still a one-time payment.

Speaker 4:
[52:01] What next?

Speaker 3:
[52:03] You got to think long-term.

Speaker 1:
[52:05] You got to think big, bitch.

Speaker 3:
[52:07] See, y'all just, that's how you, Timothy want to hustle like he thought he was. He want to bout about it like he thought he was, bro. And then also it'd be frustrating, I mean, when people want to ride or die for they and then give them up. You sat here covering Henry ass all this time just to be like, fine, it was Henry's idea. Like girl, you could have turned on him from the beginning and might have had some more leniency on you. You got to sit there and think. When them police officers is in your face, they got an exact description. It's been less than 24 hours and they got you, bitch, and you know you did it. It's time to start looking out for numero uno, okay? And that's you.

Speaker 4:
[52:46] What is that Housewives clip you just showed me?

Speaker 3:
[52:50] I don't give a fuck about anyone but me. I don't give a about anybody else but me.

Speaker 1:
[52:59] Okay, because that's going to be me, okay? I don't think I have any more. I would have took that plea so bad. Oh my gosh, I would have took that plea. Yeah, that's all I got.

Speaker 3:
[53:08] All right.

Speaker 1:
[53:09] Parole or no parole?

Speaker 3:
[53:12] I hear you on the changing and excessive lineage. I mean, at 74, yeah, I guess you can go out into these streets. And she ain't only going to be 74, shit.

Speaker 1:
[53:24] Who's going to take care of her?

Speaker 3:
[53:26] Well, you think it's better for her to stay in jail? They're going to take care of her. She got ten damn grandkids, shit. Let her be a grandma. She got somebody who willing to help her out.

Speaker 4:
[53:37] OK, especially if they, her family is.

Speaker 3:
[53:39] And it's only at ten right now. She's going to have great-grands by the time she out. Shit. She's going to be all right. Enjoy motherhood and grandmotherhood and great-grandmotherhood for them last five years.

Speaker 1:
[53:53] She got like 20 more years.

Speaker 3:
[53:57] It'd be crazy when I'm seeing her looking at these sentences. I'm like, damn, you still got that much left?

Speaker 1:
[54:01] Like how old will I be then?

Speaker 3:
[54:03] Right. Because some of them will be like, all right, she got about two more years. She got it. And some of them will be like, you got about 30 more years. Good luck.

Speaker 1:
[54:12] In 20 years, I hope I'm not, I better not be a grandma in 20 years. I mean, maybe.

Speaker 3:
[54:18] It's possible.

Speaker 1:
[54:20] Shit. Crazy. But I do agree that life without the possibility after 40 years is a little harsh. I think they need to take in consideration everything that she's gone through before. I do think they need to take in consideration that the bullet that left her gun wasn't the one that killed Maria. But I also see that they're going to take in consideration that she didn't go for a plea. I don't even know if one was put on the table. And if one wasn't put on the table, then I feel like that's definitely a grounds for some type of appeal. Y'all didn't even give me a chance.

Speaker 2:
[54:58] So, it's hard.

Speaker 3:
[55:00] Hey, sometimes when the case is strong, they don't offer pleas, you know? They be like, we got you, bitch. So, there.

Speaker 1:
[55:08] I mean, you always have the option to plead guilty. It's just what are they going to offer you? Will they let you plead? Are they gonna make you plead guilty to capital murder? Or are they gonna let you plead guilty to something less?

Speaker 3:
[55:21] And maybe she was trying to fight. Maybe they was just like, it is what it is. And she was fighting for the lesser. But yeah, I would have thought maybe just to save the family some grief or whatever, they give you something. But shit, maybe they talked it over with the family. It was like, nah, we'll sit.

Speaker 1:
[55:37] We'll sit.

Speaker 3:
[55:38] Let her do the mix. So, hmm.

Speaker 1:
[55:41] So heartbreaking that Maria ended up being the casualty here.

Speaker 3:
[55:48] Yeah, like.

Speaker 1:
[55:51] Because if Maria is also working at the massage parlor, it's not like her life is great, great either. But if she's working, she's at least trying to do some type of work. It's sex work, but at least she's assuming that she's overage, assuming that she's came to the parlor to work on her own will. It's a stretch, but I'm trying to make the best assumptions. So that means like even in the best of circumstances, she's still not in great circumstances. It's just another day at work for her. She didn't deserve that. She didn't. It breaks my heart. All right. That is the end of our show. Let's go ahead and read some reviews and go on about our day. If you'd like to leave us a review, please do so. You can leave us a five-star and slash or written review wherever you listen to podcasts. You can support the show mainly. The big way that you support this show is by telling a friend that this is where you're set every Friday. You do that, let somebody know, have a new fan, and now you've got a friend to go to the live show with. Make sure you get those tickets, sistaswhokilllive.com. But first, let's go ahead and see what our Black-owned ad is for this week. If you have a small Black-owned business that you want featured right here on this podcast, email us, SistasWhoKillPodcast at gmail.com, and we will send you all the details so that your business can be featured right here on Sistas Who Kill. Let's see who we got. All right, let's read those reviews. All right, this one is actually from our email. This says, so I had to send my review by email because I'm anti-Apple anything, and I listened to you on Spotify, so I can only leave a rating. Yes, Taz, I know I could sign up for Apple, but again, I'm anti-Apple.

Speaker 3:
[57:34] I was actually going to say you can leave reviews on Spotify now. Well, they have comments under the episodes, and we do get reviews there.

Speaker 1:
[57:41] And we will read the comments.

Speaker 3:
[57:42] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[57:43] Anyway, I stumbled across your podcast in February, and I don't even listen to podcasts, and I'm still catching up, but let me just say I really appreciate your podcast. Sometimes when I feel down or sad, listening to your podcast makes me feel better because when I listen to these stories, I think there isn't really anything for me to be sad about because my life could be so much worse. I could be caught up in some crazy shit. My favorite thing about the podcast is Taz's reenactment. She makes the character sound real, ghetto as hell. It's real parentheses, ghetto as hell. But I know that's probably how they really sound. I love the commentary and how you just bring a fresh and different perspective to our crime. I got my third row seats to your tour in Houston. Thank you. Just came on in February already ready for the tour. But now I'm thinking I should purchase the meet and greet. But oh well, next time for sure.

Speaker 3:
[58:34] It ain't too late, girl. It is not too late.

Speaker 1:
[58:37] Yes, you can do. It depends. Each city is different. So some of them you can just add on the meet and greet, and some of them it's in that VIP ticketing. So I can't even tell you right now what Houston is. But I'm glad that you're going to be there. Being in the building is going to be amazing. Meeting us is also, I mean, what can I do to myself? It's really amazing. But being in the building and feeling the energy, seeing the story, you're going to love it. So I am excited to see you in Houston, and make sure y'all meet my girl there. Get your tickets, sisterswhokilllive.com.

Speaker 3:
[59:10] This one says, I listen to the ads. I've been here from the beginning, a true day one. And I came here to say I've been listening to the ads since day one. Let me thank you because this is how we get paid. This is free for y'all. There's production expenses behind this, okay?

Speaker 1:
[59:27] And they're very expensive.

Speaker 3:
[59:28] This camera, these lights, this studio, editors, content strategy, putting this tour together, paying for us to get to the States. There are expenses.

Speaker 1:
[59:41] Even the tour, we have to pay somebody to go find the court documents, because that's cheaper than us going and actually doing it ourselves because of money.

Speaker 3:
[59:49] Because money.

Speaker 1:
[59:50] And then, you know, at some point, we kind of want to feed ourselves.

Speaker 3:
[59:54] I quit my job for this, so please let me eat. Please let me eat.

Speaker 1:
[59:57] I got a kid.

Speaker 3:
[59:58] Listen.

Speaker 1:
[59:59] I got a baby.

Speaker 3:
[60:00] I've got a family to feed. I've got bills to pay.

Speaker 1:
[60:03] I got a baby and he stopped taking breast milk. I got formula to buy.

Speaker 3:
[60:09] So I appreciate you listening to the ads. When y'all listen, or you ain't got to listen, just let the ads play.

Speaker 1:
[60:15] We get paid.

Speaker 3:
[60:17] That's all you got. If you let the ads play, we will get paid.

Speaker 1:
[60:22] Do you love us or not?

Speaker 3:
[60:23] That's it. You use that time to go use the bathroom, put it on double speed. Look, I think some of them let you put it on triple, quadruple speed, you know? As long as it plays, we get it. Y'all keep skipping and they be like, it re-rate, not enough people listen to this ad, so instead of getting you this much money, now we're going to give y'all this much money. And what can we say?

Speaker 1:
[60:45] So if we can't book our flights to go see you on tour, we're going to cancel the show. We got to threaten them.

Speaker 3:
[60:51] So, you know, think about that. We appreciate you who listen to the ads.

Speaker 1:
[60:56] We really, really do. That's the end of the show. We are going on tour and we hope to see you there. Get your tickets, sistaswhokilllive.com, sistaswhokilllive.com because MaRah and Taz, we're back from the dead and we can't wait to see you on the road, OK? Make sure that you follow us on all social media platforms, Sistas Who Kill, Sistas Who Kill Pods, Sistas Who Kill Podcasts. You type in Sistas Who Kill, you find us, you find somebody else, call us and we're going to sue them. Make sure you get your merch. Shop sistaswhokill.com. You never know when new things might be dropping, so I can't wait for you all to see. Patreon, patreon.com/sistas Who Kill. Anything else, friend?

Speaker 3:
[61:39] Talk to us, we talk back.

Speaker 1:
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