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Speaker 1:
[00:08] Okay, copy, west of the smoke.

Speaker 2:
[00:10] I'm looking at danger close now.

Speaker 3:
[00:13] I'm on winter, baby, give it to me, I'm here.

Speaker 4:
[00:15] Get cleared hot.

Speaker 1:
[00:16] Copy, cleared hot.

Speaker 2:
[00:18] Michael, what do we call today's episode?

Speaker 3:
[00:21] What do we usually call with just me and you?

Speaker 2:
[00:24] Negligent Discharge Friday.

Speaker 3:
[00:27] Well, we have Vaughn in here now. I don't know what to call it.

Speaker 2:
[00:32] I don't either. Do you have any suggestions? You're kind of like a negligent discharge as a person.

Speaker 4:
[00:39] Talk about discharge now. These meds, pure fluid.

Speaker 2:
[00:44] I don't think anybody was asking about that.

Speaker 4:
[00:46] Well, I understand. I don't trust a fart anymore.

Speaker 2:
[00:51] Let's talk into the mic, not around it.

Speaker 4:
[00:53] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[00:53] Yeah. For the love of God. Michael, could you script it to be any more fucked up?

Speaker 4:
[01:09] You don't have to, you just present this. This is it, right here, here's your opening.

Speaker 2:
[01:13] As I said, you are often a negligent discharge.

Speaker 4:
[01:18] Oh God, I actually am working out that.

Speaker 2:
[01:20] For people watching and listening, the volume with which you just heard that phone ring is dwarfed only by the volume that he talks into the phone on speaker in public. You still have it not on vibrate, just so you know. I just heard that notification come through. Do you know how to put it on vibrate?

Speaker 4:
[01:40] No. Well, most of the time, it's not in my pocket.

Speaker 2:
[01:50] What does that have to do?

Speaker 4:
[01:51] Well, how if I know what's vibrating?

Speaker 3:
[01:56] Also, the listeners won't be able to appreciate how loud it is because it'll get cut off by the limiter on this.

Speaker 2:
[02:03] I'll remove the limiter for that section.

Speaker 3:
[02:04] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[02:06] Since we're talking about negligent discharges, would you care to tell the story about how you urinated in your own pants in the coffee shop?

Speaker 4:
[02:16] When did I do that?

Speaker 2:
[02:18] What?

Speaker 4:
[02:18] When did I do that?

Speaker 2:
[02:20] When Casey and Jason were in town and the urinal was taped off and you didn't see it. So instead of pinching it off, you walked to the toilet. I have security camera footage with you with your entire leg pissed soaked. You don't remember doing this?

Speaker 4:
[02:37] I kind of do.

Speaker 2:
[02:38] I will put you in a fucking home at the end of this episode if you keep this up. Casey, when you're listening to this, research shady acres. We have got to get ahold of this. If you can't remember that you pissed in your own pants.

Speaker 4:
[02:52] No, that was just runoff. That's anymore, if I even think about pissing, it starts running. I mean, it's amazing today. Getting old is just, I mean, in the last year, just the mention of water running and Jesus Christ, it's horrible.

Speaker 2:
[03:11] Remember you got in your car, Casey and I thought you had had a stroke because you were frantically like walking out of the coffee shop and we're like, what is going on? Do we need to take you to the hospital? You're like, no, I just pissed myself. Because you didn't see the sign that said the urinal was closed off.

Speaker 4:
[03:27] Well, that just was ready and it was full load and I didn't know where to go. I can remember my dad. I can remember my dad having these same things. We'd be driving somewhere and we sit and he says, Jesus, I just pissed myself. What? Yeah, my Clarence. At what age? He was in his late 60s.

Speaker 2:
[03:48] I mean, he didn't feel it building?

Speaker 4:
[03:52] Shit, what can I tell you? Actually, you don't. It's all of a sudden, you just got to piss, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[03:59] Yeah, you should probably get that checked out.

Speaker 4:
[04:01] No, it's not. It's normal. I've talked to my doctor about it.

Speaker 2:
[04:04] Pissing your pants is normal.

Speaker 4:
[04:05] For my age, yeah.

Speaker 2:
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Speaker 4:
[05:52] That's why I wear a lot of dark pants.

Speaker 2:
[05:55] Well, this one had this one certainly had a dark leg. Michael, what do you think? Insert image overlay. Oh, I can do it in post.

Speaker 3:
[06:03] Yeah, if I don't have it on hand, but I have it on my phone.

Speaker 2:
[06:07] So I don't even know where we go with an opening like that. Literally, I could not have scripted that phone ringing.

Speaker 3:
[06:12] That was so funny. That was good, Vaughn.

Speaker 2:
[06:16] Yeah, that was good. So on these episodes, Michael.

Speaker 4:
[06:21] All right, I've been on one of these episodes. Okay.

Speaker 2:
[06:23] Yeah. So I don't really know what we're going to talk about, but we'll do about an hour ish, which for us, the three of us, we might get through a question. But Michael, actually, how do you search for these, by the way? What's your process?

Speaker 3:
[06:37] It depends. Sometimes I'll just see something in the news or Instagram and that would make a good topic. Sometimes people will write in or just message me on Instagram. Actually, there's been a few good ones from that. Actually, the Hacky Sack one was a write in. Remember that guy?

Speaker 2:
[06:59] I do.

Speaker 3:
[06:59] Yeah. So yeah, it's a hodgepodge of different mediums.

Speaker 2:
[07:05] Excellent. Fire away, sir.

Speaker 3:
[07:06] Okay. Well, we've been doing this the past couple of shows of the kind of Iran situation.

Speaker 2:
[07:15] The what situation?

Speaker 3:
[07:16] Iran.

Speaker 2:
[07:16] Okay. Just want to make sure you weren't pulling a Brian Callahan. Iran.

Speaker 3:
[07:22] So the latest.

Speaker 2:
[07:24] Iran says it seized ships in the Strait of Hormuz and US blockade continues amid ceasefire. Don't break that thing. All right. You are the person that struggles with this the most. I don't understand. You see it has a mechanical arm in front of you, right?

Speaker 4:
[07:39] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[07:39] Look, watch, watch. Okay. Now we're not going to be able to hear you.

Speaker 4:
[07:46] So this is what we're reading here.

Speaker 2:
[07:47] Also, when you talk, you got to talk into the microphone.

Speaker 4:
[07:50] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[07:51] So go like this, like pull it a little bit so you can like talk across to the 45. We're learning new things today.

Speaker 4:
[07:56] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[07:56] Okay. Michael, what is your question here?

Speaker 3:
[08:00] I mean, just general thoughts just because we have been kind of-

Speaker 2:
[08:04] What's your thoughts?

Speaker 3:
[08:05] What are your updates on this?

Speaker 2:
[08:06] On Iran. Iran. However, phonetically, you're supposed to say it.

Speaker 4:
[08:10] Oh, gosh. You know, I think anytime you go to a place like this, the odds of breaking it rather than fixing it are worse. And what are you going to do when you break it? And we're stuck in a place right now that I don't know if there is a easy way out. Probably easy is the wrong word. But, you know, it seems like if I might be reading this wrong, but I believe Iran has got more of a control of that straight than we do, you know. Geographically, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. And if they... I just don't know what we're going to do. I don't know if we're going to drop the trade stuff or what have you. But I was... I'm still not really certain why we even went in there. You know, the...

Speaker 2:
[09:04] It would help if they had laid out... Well, they'll say, you know, and these things are true. What I'm about to say, they are true. Iran is the largest state sponsor of terrorism. Yeah. They have been saying things like, Death to America for 47 years. Accurate, however, comma. For the first 20 years in the 2000s, we had very large American presence on both the East and Western border of Iran, which probably would have been a better time to handle that. It's only now that we're focusing on that. I don't think anybody wants to see a nuclear Iran, so there's that aspect of it as well. But as far as strategic objectives, I think one of the issues is that people are not nobody. I hope that they exist. I've yet to see a clean sheet of, this is what we're trying to accomplish. These are the tools that we're using to measure metrics of success, and then an exit strategy. Because I agree, the US military is good at breaking things. It's by design, not designed to, not to use the same word twice in a row. It is not by design supposed to be a building organism. It struggles in that. And Iraq and Afghanistan are proof of that as well.

Speaker 4:
[10:03] Well, it's, I mean, it's a culture that, again, we're not familiar with, I mean, we're familiar with it, but they approach death and religion and everything in a much more radical way than we do, and I don't mean radical in a bad sense.

Speaker 2:
[10:20] Some of them, there are different versions and sects of Islam.

Speaker 4:
[10:24] Yeah, but you know, it's like if we, I just don't see Vice President Vance as a very good negotiator.

Speaker 2:
[10:32] Have you been in the room?

Speaker 4:
[10:33] No, I just, first impression, just the way I've listened to him talk.

Speaker 2:
[10:38] But hold on, so you're basing that off of the result, because we're not actually hearing him negotiate, he's just coming out of the room. So as I'm saying, we don't know if he's a good negotiator because he only has control over his side of the table.

Speaker 4:
[10:48] I understand, I just have the feeling that, to be honest with you, I've not paid an awful lot of attention to it, but at the same time I've paid a lot of attention to it because...

Speaker 2:
[11:00] I don't think he can use a sentence like that.

Speaker 4:
[11:02] Well, it's, I don't know, it's just frightening, it really scares me. It's just...

Speaker 2:
[11:09] That is very reasonable, I think.

Speaker 4:
[11:10] Yeah, you know, when we use the, the rhetoric we use is frightening, and even though it's not bombs or bullets, the message it's putting out to the rest of the world, I'm not so sure that that's the message we want to be putting out there.

Speaker 2:
[11:29] It's interesting. On the negotiation side, I honestly, I wonder, so let's say they come to an agreement, right? They're going to come to an agreement of some kind. How long are they going to live up to it? It's like, what are we fucking doing here, right? I mean, they are supposedly under a nuclear non-proliferation treaty, I believe. But everybody says they're enriching uranium beyond a level that you would use for a civilian capacity. So it's like, okay, it doesn't really matter what's on the written contract if you're not going to follow. So then we're just kind of like wasting each other's time. You know what I mean? So I don't know how this is going to end up.

Speaker 4:
[12:03] Well, that's the way the whole thing has been ran. It's I mean, you read, you listen, you know, and we go in there with Israel and how much of an influence they had on our decision making, I don't know. But you know, it's just we got to be careful with who we partner up with. And those kind of things worry me. We're just in a really, oh gosh, in stable place in many places, our own country, there, you know, other places. You look at what was it? The dictator that was just voted out, that was in Hungary. You know, he's been here a long time, Oban or some, O'Bannon or something.

Speaker 2:
[12:50] That's an interesting one, too. He was very closely tied to the current administration. I would say he had policies that were, and I'm not an expert on his politics by any stretch. I've read a few articles about this. They would describe, the articles that I read would have described his policies as being in line, not necessarily identical, but in line with our current administration. And from all intents and purposes, it seems as if the Hungarian people have got to a place where they said, enough is enough, in fact, this is too much. Wasn't he voted out, Michael, by the largest margin in their history of their democracy?

Speaker 3:
[13:25] Yeah, I believe so, though.

Speaker 4:
[13:26] Yeah, it was huge.

Speaker 2:
[13:29] I mean, I think if you pay attention enough and look around, again, not that that is a double-blind study of what is happening in the US., but I think there are similars and parallels, and I think oftentimes you can find some of the answers to the tests. Some policies executed to that level of extreme are going to end up influencing, and it's not the people who are ideologically like Team Blue Jersey, they're never going to be changed. Team Red Jersey is never going to be changed. I think it's the malleable people.

Speaker 4:
[13:55] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[13:56] And I don't mean malleably negatively, but they will move based off of how they feel are going to be pushed in one way or the other.

Speaker 3:
[14:02] 55 to 36 or something.

Speaker 2:
[14:05] That's generally not probably pretty good when it comes to-

Speaker 4:
[14:07] Well, one of my biggest fears, and still is, is that Iran would blob a missile into an aircraft carrier or a cruiser or something.

Speaker 2:
[14:17] I don't know if they have the capacity to do so.

Speaker 4:
[14:19] I don't either. It came to my thought without any qualification. I'm going, Jesus, what would be the ramifications of that?

Speaker 2:
[14:27] You mean you're talking about a nuclear response?

Speaker 4:
[14:28] Yeah. Well, I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[14:30] I don't think there would be a nuclear response.

Speaker 4:
[14:31] I don't think so either.

Speaker 2:
[14:32] But so just so you know, those platforms, and I am well-dated at this point, but even when I was in, have very robust self-defense equipment.

Speaker 4:
[14:43] They've got like Gatling guns or big monsters that are...

Speaker 2:
[14:46] Sea whiz systems.

Speaker 4:
[14:47] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[14:48] I believe radar guided, sometimes optically guided. It would be difficult. And again, I was never in the fleet military, but I'm pretty sure they also layer the way that vessels are out there. So it wouldn't be like a direct shot.

Speaker 4:
[15:01] Covering fields of fire everywhere.

Speaker 2:
[15:03] Yeah. So I think the... I mean, it's plausible that they would, if they even had that type of weaponry left, that they could do that, I would find it to be very unlikely that it would actually hit one of those vessels.

Speaker 4:
[15:13] I guess to summarize how I feel, and it's just me personally, it's not how I wanted us to show ourselves to the world. You know, it's, collectively it's just, I've been very dis...

Speaker 2:
[15:27] What do you mean by that?

Speaker 4:
[15:28] Well, you know, talking about destroying a civilization, again, the...

Speaker 2:
[15:32] So that's one person, and I...

Speaker 4:
[15:34] I understand, that's a big person, that is the leader of our country.

Speaker 2:
[15:38] I understand that, but I also think, and this is a total hypothesis, I have no data to support this, the crazier the things that that individual says, I think the more that the rest of the world is realizing that the vast majority of people in America do not talk like that, and they don't believe that.

Speaker 4:
[16:02] I completely agree with you. I don't disagree. I guess...

Speaker 2:
[16:06] Doesn't make us look spectacular, but I think that people are smart enough to realize that maybe that type of communication is the anomalous aspect.

Speaker 4:
[16:19] Well, you know, I'm old enough that I've watched Iran back in the Carter administration, before that, when we had the shaw of Iran in there.

Speaker 2:
[16:30] Which of course we had no hand in whatsoever.

Speaker 4:
[16:32] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[16:32] We haven't fucked around and found out at all in Iran.

Speaker 4:
[16:36] And then the Alatollahs came in, and, you know, they kept, I don't know, 300 of our correspondents and embassy workers and what have you. Was it that many?

Speaker 2:
[16:49] The Iranian hostage situation, how was it? I mean, there was this fantastic Ben Affleck movie about that.

Speaker 4:
[16:54] I saw it.

Speaker 2:
[16:54] I saw it twice. Yeah, that was about a smaller group of people that were hiding out. Was it a Canadian consulate house?

Speaker 4:
[17:01] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[17:02] I don't know if it was 300 people.

Speaker 3:
[17:04] How many people were hostages?

Speaker 2:
[17:06] How many Americans were held hostage by Iran?

Speaker 1:
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Speaker 3:
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Speaker 4:
[17:37] Wow, I thought it was more, well, my bad. That's okay.

Speaker 2:
[17:40] But I remember being able to look shit up.

Speaker 4:
[17:42] I know. Yeah, yeah. But it's, I've, you know, it's been a part of me growing up watching this stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[17:51] If the choice was between a nuclear Iran or the United States taking action, which side of that do you follow?

Speaker 4:
[17:57] Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't, was six weeks or six months before, didn't we just say we?

Speaker 2:
[18:04] I'm not, well, I'll get to, I'm just saying yes. And so I have an issue with that too.

Speaker 4:
[18:07] You can't have a nuclear Iran.

Speaker 2:
[18:09] I agree. So I agree that there is a time and place for action. I do not want to see a nuclear Iran. And then what you were just saying is something that I bring up often too. Six months ago, we were told we decimated their nuclear program. Now we're being told that what's happening is to stop their nuclear program. So I would like to know if you were not telling me the truth then, or you're not telling me the truth now.

Speaker 4:
[18:29] Or you just flat just don't know.

Speaker 2:
[18:31] That would be the answer I would actually prefer.

Speaker 4:
[18:33] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[18:34] Because because I believe that would be the most honest answer. I don't know if that word and politics are synonymous. I mean, in your generation, did you ever hear a president swear on the news?

Speaker 4:
[18:46] Oh, God, no. Oh, shit. You know, I'm trying to think.

Speaker 2:
[18:52] He called a woman, I believe, I believe this could be AI. I think he called a woman a cunt one time at a press interview.

Speaker 4:
[19:00] I saw him do that. Yeah, grabbing pussy. You know, I mean, this guy's...

Speaker 2:
[19:05] Not the same thing.

Speaker 4:
[19:05] Yeah, well. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[19:07] And that was before he was president that he said it, which is not to excuse that.

Speaker 4:
[19:10] Exactly.

Speaker 2:
[19:11] But yeah, that came up when he was running for the first time.

Speaker 4:
[19:14] You know, getting into it with the Pope. And I mean, it's, there are some things you just learn to avoid. You know, it's just where we are right now. It's just the temperature of the water.

Speaker 2:
[19:27] Yeah. I think we're going to be OK.

Speaker 4:
[19:30] I do too. I agree completely with you.

Speaker 2:
[19:32] Yeah. I'm not saying that one of the tires might not get like towards the little turtle heads where you're like, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, as you're driving. But I think we're going to be OK.

Speaker 4:
[19:40] I mean, do I feel the Democrats are any better? Shit, no, they're, they're. These are birds.

Speaker 2:
[19:45] These are these are wings of the same bird.

Speaker 4:
[19:47] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[19:48] Are you hearing? I was listening to something today. You know, I mean, we were I was born and raised in St. Louis. I was born in the same. I was born in the same named hospital as you, but not the same hospital, right? Didn't they move Dominican?

Speaker 4:
[19:58] Oh, yeah, I was. I was born in the one that was across the street.

Speaker 2:
[20:01] So same name, different buildings.

Speaker 4:
[20:03] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[20:03] Same place. Some of the information coming out about California and the fraud associated with that hospital. No, no, no. Not from what the fuck are you talking about? Dominican Hospital in Santa Cruz that has like six people in it. No, I'm talking about the 400 plus million dollars that is like allocated towards homeless in just Los Angeles and the fraud associated with that and what they're paying for buildings. All of the money that was raised for the Palisades fire, which almost none of that money has gone to anything other than NGOs, which aren't spending.

Speaker 4:
[20:37] I've heard whispers of that myself, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[20:39] Holy cow.

Speaker 4:
[20:40] Well, that's what's where we are. The fraud and the greed in our government across the board.

Speaker 2:
[20:45] How do we stop that?

Speaker 4:
[20:49] I don't know if I'll ever see it in my lifetime. It's going to take a lot of work.

Speaker 2:
[20:53] You don't think we'll see it in the next three years?

Speaker 4:
[20:55] No, maybe, because I don't think the Democrats are...

Speaker 2:
[20:57] You didn't even get the joke, did you?

Speaker 4:
[20:58] That was your lifetime. Yeah, yeah, I know. Stop it or I'll piss my pants right here.

Speaker 2:
[21:05] First off, do you want to tell any stories since you're talking about pissing your pants, being seated at a blackjack table and not wanting to get up so you just piss on the floor?

Speaker 4:
[21:13] I was winning, I couldn't get up. But I don't think the Democrats are going to win. I think the Republicans are going to lose it. You know, I really...

Speaker 2:
[21:22] That's the same result, but I understand what you're saying.

Speaker 4:
[21:24] But you know what's interesting is what's going on in California with the governor's race because it's an open primary. Well, he's not. Yeah, he's termed out.

Speaker 2:
[21:36] Is he?

Speaker 4:
[21:36] Yeah. So they've got two Republicans, very conservative Republicans, running and a shit pot full of Democrats. And they're only going to keep two. Yeah. So if the Republicans come up and put more votes in, the only candidates they'll have to vote...

Speaker 2:
[21:52] Oh, they can make it Republican or Republican.

Speaker 4:
[21:54] Yeah. Yeah. It's really interesting what's happening there.

Speaker 2:
[21:57] Well, the problem, though, is that the voting populace in California, the density is basically... California basically votes San Francisco and Oakland combined.

Speaker 4:
[22:08] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[22:08] Los Angeles County in San Diego County. Yeah. I mean, that's the densest...

Speaker 4:
[22:13] That's the hubs.

Speaker 2:
[22:14] Well, and it's very, very deeply blue.

Speaker 4:
[22:15] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[22:16] But if you go inland 15 miles, it starts getting incredibly red.

Speaker 4:
[22:19] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[22:20] But I don't know if that red would be enough to make it to Republican candidates.

Speaker 4:
[22:25] I don't know. It's just... Well, you know, how about term limits and get rid of Citizens United? You know, just get... Everybody gets the same budget for an election, you know?

Speaker 2:
[22:42] I don't know if the system is actually self-correct. I don't think the system can be corrected from the top anymore. I don't think term limits are going to fix it. I don't think that any regular... First off, I don't think these people will put policies in a place that are against their self-interest. I actually think that this is going to be a generational fix and it has to come from the bottom up. I do not think that a top-down approach is going to work.

Speaker 4:
[23:06] Yeah, you know, it's... Well, if you just look at our government as a business...

Speaker 2:
[23:13] Well, it fails every metric, I think you should do that.

Speaker 4:
[23:15] Every metric that... I mean, what's it costing us a day in Iran? $2 billion or some damn thing?

Speaker 2:
[23:24] I bet it... Yeah, okay. I bet $1.2 billion a day. Wow. I'm gonna guess. Mike might save $10 million. I don't know.

Speaker 3:
[23:36] $850 to over $1 billion per day.

Speaker 2:
[23:39] Okay, so let's call it down the middle $900 million.

Speaker 4:
[23:41] Yeah, right over. Well, I'm with you. I think that we have weathered horrible storms before, you know, the resilience.

Speaker 2:
[23:53] We'll get through it.

Speaker 4:
[23:53] We'll get through it. I agree with you.

Speaker 2:
[23:56] Yeah, I don't know what it's gonna look like, but we'll get through it.

Speaker 4:
[23:58] We'll be okay.

Speaker 2:
[23:59] Michael, we just completely did not talk about Iran. What other topics do you have that we cannot talk about?

Speaker 3:
[24:04] Well, actually, I didn't initially have this planned, but when Vaughn brought up the mass amounts of corruption in California.

Speaker 2:
[24:12] I brought that up.

Speaker 3:
[24:13] Oh, yeah, you?

Speaker 2:
[24:14] He thought we were talking about the fucking hospital that I was born in.

Speaker 3:
[24:18] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[24:18] That is, for clarity, a two-story building.

Speaker 3:
[24:21] Well, here's another insane source of corruption. Is their high-speed rail.

Speaker 2:
[24:26] Oh, yeah, isn't it costing like a billion dollars a foot or something like that?

Speaker 3:
[24:30] More than that.

Speaker 2:
[24:31] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[24:32] And...

Speaker 4:
[24:32] They're only building sections of it.

Speaker 3:
[24:34] And it's only going...

Speaker 2:
[24:35] It's a section of nowhere.

Speaker 4:
[24:36] No, a section of nowhere. They literally stopped in the middle of farmland.

Speaker 2:
[24:39] Check this out. As of early 2026, California has spent approximately 14 to 15 billion. For the people listening, that is $1,500 million. That's $1,500 million on the high-speed rail project with no high-speed tracks laid for... What? Holy shit.

Speaker 4:
[24:59] Well, you can drive up Central California on five or 99. And there's the sections of elevated where it's gonna sit.

Speaker 2:
[25:10] Oh, it's just like a concrete stanchion?

Speaker 4:
[25:11] Yes, yes.

Speaker 2:
[25:12] And they're not even... This is amazing. Hold on. Construction is focused on 171-mile Central Valley segment, which is what you're talking about. So the five does go... Five goes all the way to Sacramento, right?

Speaker 4:
[25:23] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[25:23] OK. Merced to Bakersfield.

Speaker 4:
[25:27] Which is nowhere.

Speaker 2:
[25:28] Well, I was gonna say...

Speaker 4:
[25:29] It's literally nowhere.

Speaker 2:
[25:30] Critical trade route, which costs... With costs for the full phase one line now projected between 100 to 135 billion. So here's a question. Why can't somebody look at that and say, no? Again, to look at this like a business, if you were to have to run this as a P&L, and it's like we have to spend... This is going to be...

Speaker 4:
[25:56] They wouldn't even get out of the ground.

Speaker 2:
[25:57] 115 billion and right now massive cost over them. We've been at this. We have nothing laid out. And at the end of this, it's going to accomplish nothing. Why are they still doing this?

Speaker 4:
[26:12] You know, I saw a piece on it. And to be honest with you, I forget what the conclusion was. It was so full of...

Speaker 2:
[26:19] My guess is that the contracts are already awarded and the money is already allocated.

Speaker 4:
[26:23] There must be something along those lines.

Speaker 3:
[26:25] So, in comparison, Japan's entire bullet system train...

Speaker 2:
[26:31] Costs $7.

Speaker 3:
[26:32] It costs $60 billion, which spans the whole country. It's completed and it's now generating revenue.

Speaker 2:
[26:40] Did you ride it?

Speaker 3:
[26:42] I did.

Speaker 2:
[26:42] How fast was it?

Speaker 3:
[26:44] Insanely fast.

Speaker 2:
[26:45] Like a speeding bullet?

Speaker 3:
[26:46] It's like 260... Maybe not 260, it's at least 200 miles per hour.

Speaker 2:
[26:52] Did you get like a cool seat?

Speaker 3:
[26:54] They're all kind of the same seats.

Speaker 2:
[26:56] Not the one in the very back or the very front?

Speaker 3:
[26:59] I mean, I didn't get to go to the conductor's chair.

Speaker 2:
[27:01] Did you ask?

Speaker 3:
[27:02] No, actually, they may have let me.

Speaker 2:
[27:04] You missed every single shot that you don't take.

Speaker 3:
[27:07] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[27:07] They've got a rail train in France too that's fun to ride.

Speaker 3:
[27:12] Well, I mean, that's the same thing in most of the EU. They have these...

Speaker 2:
[27:16] See, to me, that makes sense. I mean, again, I don't know how 60 billion... I don't even understand numbers that are that big for clarity, but the fact that it is built, it connects the country. How many miles is it? Can you look that up?

Speaker 3:
[27:27] Which one?

Speaker 2:
[27:29] The Japanese one. I'm just trying to get an idea. So this one is 171 miles in California. I'm just trying to get an idea for perspective. But yeah, it's cash flowing. Like, okay.

Speaker 4:
[27:40] It makes no sense. No, I hear you.

Speaker 2:
[27:42] And also, why those two spots?

Speaker 3:
[27:44] Why? 1800 miles of bullet train rail.

Speaker 2:
[27:47] 1800 miles.

Speaker 3:
[27:48] Yes, for 60 billion.

Speaker 4:
[27:49] Because most of that land, they can, what's it called, eminent domain. They can go in because it's just farmland and they, all these other things are going.

Speaker 2:
[27:59] But the farmland is actually producing something. This, look, right now looks like concrete statues.

Speaker 4:
[28:02] No, no, I understand. I mean, you wouldn't believe how, well, that's over, they're putting that over one of our largest natural oil reserves out there in that basin, Bakersfield and all of that area is a huge oil reserve underground.

Speaker 2:
[28:19] I just don't understand. I mean, oh, is this what you're talking about?

Speaker 4:
[28:21] Those?

Speaker 2:
[28:22] Yeah, even if they finished it.

Speaker 4:
[28:25] Look at that. Yeah. The steel's rotted. I don't even know how.

Speaker 2:
[28:31] How long have they been? That'll buff out. How long have they? How long have they been working at it, Michael?

Speaker 4:
[28:37] Well, it's been years, isn't it?

Speaker 2:
[28:39] How long have they been working at it? And what was the original estimated completion date?

Speaker 3:
[28:44] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[28:47] Give the Michael's fingers a workout today.

Speaker 4:
[28:48] Yeah, they'll go in there with a sandblaster and just clean all that stuff.

Speaker 2:
[28:51] I don't know. What they'll probably do is just wrap that in concrete and call it good.

Speaker 3:
[28:54] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[28:55] Well, it's already diseased. It's a problem.

Speaker 3:
[28:58] Nearly 30 years.

Speaker 2:
[29:01] 30 years was the estimate?

Speaker 3:
[29:02] Wow. No, that's how long they've been working on it.

Speaker 2:
[29:05] What?

Speaker 3:
[29:05] 30 years? The California House Bureau has been in an active development, so maybe that's not building, but active development.

Speaker 2:
[29:11] Oral Planning and Architectural Fasts.

Speaker 3:
[29:12] Oral Planning, 1996, Active Funding and Detailed Design, 2008.

Speaker 2:
[29:17] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[29:18] Work accelerated after villas approved. Heavy construction, 2015.

Speaker 2:
[29:21] Okay. So 10 years.

Speaker 3:
[29:22] 10 years.

Speaker 2:
[29:22] Going on 11.

Speaker 3:
[29:23] Still a long-ass time for nothing to have happened besides some columns.

Speaker 2:
[29:29] Even if it finished.

Speaker 3:
[29:31] As of April, roughly 119 miles of the system are under active construction in the Central Valley.

Speaker 2:
[29:40] You're telling me that we don't have something. I mean, you and I have driven in California. The roads could use some upkeep. The infrastructure could use some upkeep.

Speaker 3:
[29:51] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[29:51] How about we lateral a few billion dollars of that and expedite the building process for not only the Palisades area, but we put that into, I don't know, things where you can clear brush in the other neighborhoods in Los Angeles. They're all just waiting for the Palisades to repeat themselves again. If people think that the Palisades is the only place that has that level of like fuel source, they're out of their minds. They're not doing any fire prevention by getting any of that deadfall out of there, all of those fuel sources. I mean, in the Santa Annas, people report, oh, it was a unique event. No, it's not. It happens every year.

Speaker 4:
[30:25] It happened in San Diego years ago when Jason first was in.

Speaker 2:
[30:28] It happens every year. It's not always as bad as it was that particular year, but the Santa Annas, there's a reason why, hey, everybody knows what that is who lives there. And they're called that because that's the direction they're coming from. It's east to west. It feels like a hair dryer. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 4:
[30:43] What else you got, Mike?

Speaker 3:
[30:46] All right. I don't know if you guys have seen the video of Buzz Aldrin getting confronted because it's a- Please tell me it's a flat earther. Yes.

Speaker 2:
[30:56] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[30:56] Well, moon denier at the very least, possibly flat earther.

Speaker 2:
[31:00] Denies that there is a moon or denies we went to?

Speaker 3:
[31:02] Denies that we met to the moon. He thinks Buzz Aldrin is basically an actor and all this stuff. Just some random conspiracy guy.

Speaker 4:
[31:09] Oh, gosh.

Speaker 3:
[31:10] But he confronts Buzz Aldrin and the results are quite fun to watch.

Speaker 2:
[31:45] I don't lack, I've ever thought of saying that.

Speaker 1:
[31:47] You'll forever get in my way.

Speaker 2:
[31:49] You're a coward and a liar and a thief.

Speaker 4:
[31:55] Ooh, nice shot!

Speaker 2:
[31:58] So many pre-violence indicators. You see his hand going up, like he slowly dropped his stance back. Okay, as much as I can joke about that and be like, I love that that guy did that. I mean, at the same time, he's going to have to work his way out of that, legal-wise. But what an asshole.

Speaker 3:
[32:19] Still awesome. I mean, what a great video.

Speaker 4:
[32:22] So would we call this an example of social media?

Speaker 2:
[32:25] What?

Speaker 4:
[32:26] This here, this kind of stuff. I mean, I don't know anything about it. I don't watch this kind of stuff.

Speaker 3:
[32:31] This is just a video somebody took.

Speaker 2:
[32:33] Yeah, social media is generally would be considered your platforms like Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, things of that nature.

Speaker 4:
[32:42] Have you noticed how many, it appears, unsettled people that are out there? It seems like it's growing.

Speaker 2:
[32:50] What do you mean, unsettled?

Speaker 4:
[32:52] Just people like this, I mean, he's not a homeless person or anything, but he's got these attitudes that are so far out there.

Speaker 2:
[33:03] I think.

Speaker 4:
[33:05] It's not new. That stuff's been-

Speaker 2:
[33:07] It's not new. I think that people, if they can grasp onto a belief, it helps them whether the belief is grounded in reality or not. I think it helps them navigate through their lives.

Speaker 4:
[33:22] Something they can hold onto.

Speaker 2:
[33:23] Yeah. Imagine if you couldn't find anything to believe.

Speaker 4:
[33:27] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[33:28] I mean, I would never- First off, okay, put your hand on the barbell and swear that you walked on the moon. If Buzz Aldrin had been lying about walking on the moon for what, 50 years now?

Speaker 3:
[33:39] A long ass time.

Speaker 2:
[33:39] Do you really think- And he's lying to everybody. Do you really think that he's going to all of a sudden change his tune because he puts his hand on the Bible? It's like, come on. I don't know what people's deal- I mean, again, I'm not here to tell anybody how to party, but-

Speaker 4:
[33:51] So is there any end to our space program?

Speaker 2:
[33:55] What do you mean?

Speaker 4:
[33:56] Well, you look at the billions upon billions of dollars we spend for it, which is amazing. Yeah. But what's the end? What are we looking for?

Speaker 3:
[34:05] Well, we just did a flyby of the moon.

Speaker 2:
[34:07] I think it depends on who you ask. If you talk to somebody like Elon Musk, he basically says that at some point in time-

Speaker 4:
[34:13] Colonize.

Speaker 2:
[34:15] Well, colonize, I guess, yes, to a degree, but I'm paraphrasing things that I have heard, that for the survival of the human species, we have to leave our planet at some point.

Speaker 4:
[34:25] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[34:25] So I think that there are people who believe that. I think there are people who are purely based from a scientific perspective, trying to understand more about the universe, more about humanity, more about life in general, and probably everything in between.

Speaker 3:
[34:37] I think it's just the next-

Speaker 4:
[34:40] Next step.

Speaker 3:
[34:40] Next obvious step.

Speaker 2:
[34:42] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[34:42] Well, it was amazing how long that those flights been in between have been delayed. I mean, it had been a considerable amount of time.

Speaker 2:
[34:49] Well, we took that, it just shifted from being our focus.

Speaker 4:
[34:51] Yeah. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 3:
[34:53] Von, how old were you when we went to the moon the first time?

Speaker 4:
[34:57] I was 22.

Speaker 2:
[34:58] When they walked on the moon? Yeah. Did you watch it live?

Speaker 4:
[35:01] I did. Mark and I were in a lot.

Speaker 2:
[35:03] Precious?

Speaker 4:
[35:04] Precious. We were in Lake Tahoe, and a buddy of his, we were coming back from Reno.

Speaker 2:
[35:09] How did people respond to it?

Speaker 4:
[35:12] Kind of didn't know what it was. Just everybody's kind of standing there with their mouth hanging open, and well, we're all college educated, but it was hard to put words to it. I mean, we were all so proud and amazed, and just, I mean, just, it was such a leap, because I mean, you look at Kennedy, he started that space program in Texas, and we didn't even have one, and in like 10 years.

Speaker 2:
[35:42] Jam your ear plug, or your hearing aid.

Speaker 4:
[35:43] Oh yeah, like in 10 years, we went from not having a program to walking on the moon.

Speaker 2:
[35:51] Yep.

Speaker 4:
[35:52] I mean, it was, you know, I mean, it's just, I don't know if we'll ever see a leader like Kennedy again, his vision, his way of articulating words. I forget who asked me that.

Speaker 2:
[36:09] Asked you what?

Speaker 4:
[36:10] About Kennedy. I actually think it was, yeah, I think it was Carter called me when I was doing a paper and asked me what I thought about Kennedy. And yeah, what an incredible leader. We don't seem to have that talent base anymore. Of course, his dad was a rum runner during the Depression and, you know, made accumulated a fortune and I mean, he had some good leadership characteristics. Well, he had a what I've heard.

Speaker 2:
[36:39] He was banging everything that wasn't if it had a skirt on, he was up right at the. I mean, oh, yeah, you got to look at the whole picture.

Speaker 4:
[36:49] Well, and people don't realize he was on prescription drugs. He was wired all the time. What kind of pain pills for his back? He really hurt his back when he was on that PT boat. And that's why he was always in a rocking chair. You don't see him stand a lot.

Speaker 2:
[37:06] But rocking chairs aren't that comfortable.

Speaker 4:
[37:07] Well, that's what he had at the time. And his vision, I mean, him and Ida love to hear the conversations of him and Johnson because he brought Johnson on board to win the state of Texas. And that's why you come on board and we'll put the space program in Texas. I mean, that's probably a generalization, but it's a lot of truth to it.

Speaker 2:
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Speaker 4:
[39:27] They're not even going to participate.

Speaker 2:
[39:29] How can you blame them? If you look at, it's not even any more about the person running. They will try to destroy your entire family and everybody that you know. Who wants to sign up for that?

Speaker 4:
[39:41] Yeah, it's turned into warfare. You know, it's always been a kind of a dirty business, but there were rules, you know, there was respect. Gosh, I don't see hardly any of that anymore. The vitriol in our political system is, you know, a lot of things, not just the political system. Yeah, it's just, it's overwhelming, you know. But I look at, like you do, young people, and I see a lot of potential there. You know, there's a, that's the future. This AI thing scares the shit out of me. I don't know a damn thing about it. But when you create something, correct me if I'm wrong, that is thinking for itself. And I don't know if thinking is the right term.

Speaker 2:
[40:31] I don't think it's at that point yet. My understanding of AI is that it is trained, it is a highly complex, powerful operating system that is trained on the information that you provide it. So it is not thinking, it is collating and assessing and pulling from its available memory and data source and providing you the answer that you're looking for. I don't think, correct? I mean, Michael, you can look it up. It's not thinking, correct?

Speaker 3:
[41:04] Not really. I mean, it depends on what you mean by thinking.

Speaker 2:
[41:07] I mean fucking thinking.

Speaker 4:
[41:08] Thinking.

Speaker 3:
[41:09] No, well, in a human way, no.

Speaker 2:
[41:11] Yeah, that's what I mean. It has access to the data set that it is trained on, the information it has access to.

Speaker 4:
[41:17] A massive amount of information.

Speaker 2:
[41:20] And I think it can refine itself and advance itself, but I don't think it's actually thinking. It can provide some pretty incredible results for sure.

Speaker 3:
[41:31] Well, AI excels at rapid pattern recognition and data processing. It lacks human consciousness, emotions, and general.

Speaker 2:
[41:37] So it's not actually thinking. But I think we're headed in that direction.

Speaker 3:
[41:40] That's my understanding. Well, have you guys seen the computers they make out of brain cells of mice?

Speaker 2:
[41:49] What?

Speaker 4:
[41:49] We didn't even know the same thing.

Speaker 3:
[41:51] Their biological computers is what they call them.

Speaker 2:
[41:53] What are they capable of doing?

Speaker 3:
[41:56] Playing. So let me just pull up the actual definition, and I'll kind of explain it a little bit.

Speaker 2:
[42:07] Okay, biological computers or biocomputers are an emerging technology that merges living lab-grown human brain cells, neurons and organoids with silicon chips to process information, known as wetware. These systems such as the CL1 by Cortical Labs offer massive efficiency and adaptability compared to traditional AI, aiming to revolutionize artificial intelligence, medical research and disease modeling. I'll be honest, I don't get it. It's like, I don't understand what you're, so you're just pairing a computer processor with human tissue. I don't understand.

Speaker 3:
[42:44] So what it's doing is essentially using the neurons that are already in brain cells.

Speaker 2:
[42:51] So it's offloading some of like the computer, computational powder to the actual brain cell.

Speaker 3:
[42:56] Yes, but the scary aspect of this is like, obviously those individual brain cells aren't conscious, but if you, for example, with this Doom thing, which they made this human, so 200,000 living human brain cells grow on a silicon chip, it now plays the 1993 original Doom.

Speaker 2:
[43:20] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[43:21] Basically, they made a human brain and its only existence that it knows is Doom, the video game.

Speaker 2:
[43:27] Oh, God.

Speaker 4:
[43:29] It's beyond me. Let's go on to something else. Shit.

Speaker 2:
[43:33] You need to understand this, because when you're in the nursing home, these are the systems that are going to take care of you, that are going to deliver your pudding. It's right around the corner. It's closer than you think. And I don't mean the computers. I mean the nursing home for you.

Speaker 3:
[43:47] So the scary part is essentially this thing's whole consciousness and, you know, who knows, it likely is not conscious at all.

Speaker 2:
[43:54] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[43:54] But you could imagine a point where you can make an actual brain and it's only consciousness.

Speaker 2:
[44:01] What are we gonna do in 10 years, man?

Speaker 3:
[44:02] Is doom.

Speaker 2:
[44:03] What are we gonna do in 10 years?

Speaker 4:
[44:04] I can't imagine what 10 years is gonna look like.

Speaker 3:
[44:06] I can't either.

Speaker 2:
[44:07] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[44:07] I mean, just for a lot of things, just, but I also think that's true for every generation. This is a little out there, you know. I mean, the other generations didn't have the experience that we have now, so it is going to grow and widen.

Speaker 2:
[44:26] I think the generation that existed during the phase that had no flight and then actual flight or electricity and the internet.

Speaker 4:
[44:34] I used to talk with my grandfather, Grandpa Chip, about that, cause he grew up when they were horse and buggies, and then, and he was a master mechanic, and then they, you know, created the combustion engine. To the point where, you know, we're flying, you know, in jets, commercial jets, he...

Speaker 2:
[44:55] I mean, I feel like they would describe that era or those leaps and advancements in largely the same way we would.

Speaker 4:
[45:00] But I don't know if they had the same consequences that we have today with what's going on. And again, I think there's a correlation there, always, to some extent, you know, it's...

Speaker 2:
[45:13] I bet at that time with the new technology, it couldn't even fathom what the consequences could be. And that's probably the phase we're in right now.

Speaker 4:
[45:20] Yeah, that's pretty accurate.

Speaker 2:
[45:22] We'll get a handle on it, or it'll be the end of the human race. I mean, it'll be fine.

Speaker 4:
[45:24] Yeah, we'll be fine.

Speaker 2:
[45:25] We could possibly go wrong.

Speaker 3:
[45:27] In which case, it won't matter to any of us.

Speaker 4:
[45:29] I guess.

Speaker 2:
[45:30] What else you got, Michael?

Speaker 3:
[45:34] This one's interesting.

Speaker 2:
[45:36] Oh, dear God. Whoa, what a headline. Convicted terrorist who plotted consulate church bombings to run an UK election. What? A Muslim activist who served a prison sentence for his role in an overseas terror plot is now seeking elected office in Birmingham, Britain's second largest city as local elections approach amid heightened communal tensions.

Speaker 4:
[46:06] So was he not convicted as a felon?

Speaker 2:
[46:09] He was.

Speaker 4:
[46:10] Well, hold on.

Speaker 2:
[46:11] I'm not sure if the legal system or that.

Speaker 3:
[46:12] I don't know if they have like Mr. I also believe this was in a different country that he was convicted.

Speaker 2:
[46:17] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[46:18] In Yemen.

Speaker 4:
[46:19] In this country, he couldn't run.

Speaker 2:
[46:21] He's not running in this country.

Speaker 4:
[46:22] That's what I mean. I'm just basing.

Speaker 2:
[46:24] Well, he was convicted in Yemen. So actually, I don't know how that would work in this country. If somebody has a criminal background in another country and they immigrate into the US., which would probably be very difficult to do if they had a criminal background unless they short circuited that process. But then that would be difficult to do if you're running for elected office.

Speaker 4:
[46:43] I mean, are we to the point where we just accept everything now?

Speaker 2:
[46:47] It depends on who you ask.

Speaker 3:
[46:48] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[46:49] I mean, run for office if you want to. I think what would be more interesting is who's going to vote for him?

Speaker 3:
[46:59] I think Birmingham has a very large Muslim population.

Speaker 2:
[47:02] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[47:02] Yeah, but there's a lot of strains of Muslimism as well. I mean, they're the pacifist, the activist, all kinds of different groups.

Speaker 2:
[47:18] Again, sometimes I think the tests or the answers to the tests can be out there for you to pay attention to. The UK is, they have different policies, they have different-

Speaker 4:
[47:33] Court system, everything.

Speaker 2:
[47:35] Yeah, and they're handling immigration and they are allowing things inside of their country that I think people should be paying attention to. Whether you support them or disagree with them, there are things happening that I think that you can learn from.

Speaker 4:
[47:47] Yeah, and that's been going on for a while. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[47:50] They're out there. They're out there on the front leading edge of some of these policies. Man, does it say, Michael, in the article how the election is going for him?

Speaker 3:
[48:00] I don't know if it's actually...

Speaker 4:
[48:02] Well, see, he's a preacher. He's a religious man.

Speaker 3:
[48:04] I think he's just a candidate at this point.

Speaker 2:
[48:07] He maintains his innocence, claiming his confession was coerced through torture and the evidence against him was planted. I mean, it's a convenient answer. Perhaps it's true, though.

Speaker 3:
[48:17] Although torture does be a lot of false confessions.

Speaker 4:
[48:19] I don't even read these things anymore. It's just...

Speaker 2:
[48:22] What do you read?

Speaker 4:
[48:24] A lot of sports. I dig up, like, I'll have a question of history. You know, I like the Civil War, different things, Reconstruction.

Speaker 2:
[48:34] I mean, you were there.

Speaker 4:
[48:35] Almost.

Speaker 2:
[48:36] Yeah, lived through it.

Speaker 4:
[48:37] Right, right.

Speaker 2:
[48:38] We'll go back through your diaries.

Speaker 4:
[48:39] Yeah, yeah. You know, I mean, just the debate in this country of whether you take down Civil War statues, you know, and What are your thoughts on that? That's, if you really peel it back, those were awarding people recognition who were traders. They literally, what do you, how do you say it, conspired against the United States. And I don't feel that what we need is a culture. Are they great individuals? Do they need to be in the history books? Does it need to be explained? But, you know, it was like in my war, you know, I think you'd have a whole group of guys going by with the tanks or APCs, and they'd be flying the stars and bars, you know. And it's something, it's a culture. Again, like we talk about cultures in other countries, the southern cultures are really very beautiful, sacred thing to them. So it's more than just, you know, they don't see them as being someone who conspired against the United States.

Speaker 2:
[49:51] I don't think we should hide our mistakes.

Speaker 4:
[49:54] Absolutely.

Speaker 2:
[49:54] I'm not saying it should be celebrated. I don't know where I land on those because, God, sometimes I think you need to have an example of a mistake or the darker aspects of who we have been as a country. I think you need to have that thrown in your face.

Speaker 4:
[50:10] Yeah, no, I completely agree.

Speaker 2:
[50:12] I don't know where I land on that one.

Speaker 4:
[50:13] Yeah, it's tough because it's, you know, yeah, I brush around the edges of it as well. Because I know the sacrifice that hundreds of thousands of men made and women do. I mean, I think a woman won the Congressional Medal of Honor in the Civil War.

Speaker 2:
[50:29] I don't think there's ever been a woman who has won Medal of Honor. It's also not called the Congressional Medal of Honor.

Speaker 4:
[50:34] Congressional Medal of Honor, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[50:36] It's just called the Medal of Honor.

Speaker 4:
[50:37] Medal of Honor, yeah, okay. Yeah, it's an interesting time. I mean, you follow the reconstruction after the Civil War. It was, it really gives us an indication of where the Southern loyalties are and their appreciation for their culture and what have you.

Speaker 2:
[50:55] I would recommend to people that they read the cessation letters.

Speaker 4:
[50:58] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[50:59] They are pretty on the nose.

Speaker 4:
[51:01] Yeah, yeah. Well, it's just like reading the letters of the founding fathers. I mean, I always felt, people always ask me, I was not a Trump fan. And I said, I don't care who wins, as long as we remain a country of law and order and we follow the Constitution. And he is anything but what the founding fathers put into place in all of the guardrails to prevent it, which has been ignored to a great extent. I think that will be corrected with time. I think it's, yeah, it's just, it's a time of change, massive change. We've had it before.

Speaker 2:
[51:39] I don't know if it's fair to say that he is the opposite of what the Founding Fathers would have wanted because it's tough to put words into their mouth.

Speaker 4:
[51:47] No, they said exactly what they didn't want.

Speaker 2:
[51:49] Well, I don't think they could have ever fathomed the size, scope and scale of our nation. So I don't think they could have understood.

Speaker 4:
[51:57] I think the size and scope even made it more critical that we follow their example. Because you look at one of the largest in England when they are Founding Fathers left there in their persecution, which was more religious than anything else. But I mean, you look at these guys, Benjamin Franklin, the Adams brothers, all of these Founding Fathers. I've read a lot of their writings. I mean, they, like you said, they're right on, they hit it right there. But they get denigrated now. Well, they're slave owners. Well, that was the culture everybody had, the majority of them.

Speaker 2:
[52:38] You have to be able to acknowledge that.

Speaker 4:
[52:39] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[52:40] And like you said, it's the culture of the time.

Speaker 4:
[52:42] Acknowledge it.

Speaker 2:
[52:42] Yeah, you have to move on.

Speaker 4:
[52:44] Don't make that the premise of everything.

Speaker 2:
[52:45] I think with the country growing, I mean, if you look at where the Founding Fathers were in the size of the country then, I actually think that Trump is a natural extension of our system growing and it being self-correcting to a degree.

Speaker 4:
[53:01] I agree.

Speaker 2:
[53:02] I think the framework is still working. It doesn't, it's not always pretty. I think it's, this is, I think this is a natural progression.

Speaker 4:
[53:10] There's growing pains there we needed to have.

Speaker 2:
[53:13] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[53:13] Yeah. I completely, I'm on the same ground with you.

Speaker 2:
[53:16] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[53:16] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[53:18] God, Michael, can you fathom how awesome it would be to like time travel back, but grab like half a dozen, maybe just the guys who signed the Bill of Rights or the Declaration of Independence, be like, hey, come with us.

Speaker 4:
[53:29] Read about them.

Speaker 2:
[53:29] Come with us for a week.

Speaker 4:
[53:32] They would go out of the Congressional home and have fucking duels, you know, and scream and yell. Then they'd go to the pub at night and just get tight and pass all the legislation.

Speaker 5:
[53:45] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[53:45] And life expectancy was like 40 and they had wooden teeth.

Speaker 4:
[53:48] You know, it's like.

Speaker 5:
[53:48] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[53:49] Oh, I know. I mean, just, yeah. I've loved some of the series. I forget what channel has on the history channel, probably. I mean, it's Burns, the guy does the documentaries, stuff on the Civil War or baseball, all kinds of stuff. There's some great documentaries out there. I'm leaning more and more with my television watching, watching documentaries. I mean, it's I can't. If I watch too much of the news, I get angry. And so much of the.

Speaker 2:
[54:22] How about Instagram? You spend any time on Instagram?

Speaker 4:
[54:24] No.

Speaker 2:
[54:25] Posting any stories?

Speaker 4:
[54:26] No.

Speaker 2:
[54:26] It's a good thing.

Speaker 4:
[54:27] Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2:
[54:28] Yeah, it's a real good thing.

Speaker 4:
[54:30] I had to curb my enthusiasm.

Speaker 2:
[54:32] If that's what we want to call it. So let's tell that story. My dad frantically pulls into the wrong house in the neighborhood, attempts to make entry on the wrong front door.

Speaker 3:
[54:44] I didn't know this part.

Speaker 2:
[54:45] Yeah. Looking for Leah. Help me. Help me tech support.

Speaker 4:
[54:50] I need tech support. Then somebody on the insides, who are you? And I go, oh shit, this is the wrong White House, the wrong White door.

Speaker 2:
[54:58] Did you open the door and walk in?

Speaker 4:
[54:59] No, no, no. I knocked.

Speaker 2:
[55:01] Oh God.

Speaker 4:
[55:03] I said, sorry, wrong house.

Speaker 2:
[55:06] Yeah. It was, we had full DEF CON 3 going on. We're getting text messages. People were messaging me on Instagram, like you need to go check on your dad, check on your boy. You told us this would happen.

Speaker 4:
[55:18] That was a very common comment.

Speaker 2:
[55:23] What are you going to do?

Speaker 4:
[55:25] Life is a mystery.

Speaker 2:
[55:26] One more, Michael, what do you got? We're close to an hour, right?

Speaker 3:
[55:28] Yeah, we're about 50 minutes.

Speaker 2:
[55:30] Sweet. One more.

Speaker 3:
[55:31] Let's see here. A few pulled up. Let me just see. I think this is a good one to end it off on. So I think Iraq War veterans protested. I don't know if you guys saw this.

Speaker 2:
[55:46] I did not.

Speaker 3:
[55:47] We're protesting, basically, the Iran War.

Speaker 2:
[55:50] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[55:51] And got arrested for it. Some of them got arrested.

Speaker 5:
[56:13] I know the harm that wars do to civilian populations, but also to our soldiers. I'm talking about the loss of life, I'm talking about injuries, and lives change forever. I'm talking about PTSD and moral injury, and that's why I'm here today.

Speaker 2:
[56:33] What were they arrested for?

Speaker 4:
[56:34] Yeah, what were they arrested for?

Speaker 3:
[56:36] I'm gonna see if I can go to that.

Speaker 2:
[56:39] Yeah, well, like on what charge? I mean, obviously a peaceful process, which absolutely every part of that looks like is what is occurring. Oh, is it because they were doing it in the Capitol building?

Speaker 3:
[56:50] It could be.

Speaker 2:
[57:02] I mean, you can pause. I mean, I think a part of them.

Speaker 4:
[57:06] A lot of this is the media and how, what they focus on and what have you.

Speaker 2:
[57:10] Well, and people, if you want to be-

Speaker 4:
[57:11] Why didn't they focus on a young person, this old gal?

Speaker 2:
[57:15] I'm sure they focused on all of them.

Speaker 4:
[57:16] Probably.

Speaker 2:
[57:17] But they're, I don't know the rules on protesting at the Capitol.

Speaker 3:
[57:21] So I think it's because inside a congressional building.

Speaker 2:
[57:23] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[57:25] So they should have arrested all the ones that stormed the, what?

Speaker 3:
[57:28] You're right.

Speaker 2:
[57:29] Keep it on topic. We can talk about that next if you want to, but for this one. There's also, I mean, there's an aspect of this as well, too. The people who are participating in this likely know the rules as well. And they want an end state that is happening right now so they can get their message out to a larger audience. So I understand it. Yeah. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. And I wish people who, I wish people would realize that there's a reason that those who have been the closest to war are usually the ones who are saying be the most cautious. Doesn't mean that their opinion is more valuable than anybody else's, but they have been closer to it than most people have been. And, you know, this is, yeah, they have the right to go do this. It might be illegal to do so inside of the building that they did. I would highly, highly suspect that they knew this would be.

Speaker 4:
[58:22] I don't see any other reason why they would be because they were organized.

Speaker 3:
[58:26] Yeah, it is illegal, 66 people were arrested for DC code, whatever, crowding, obstructing, or in commoting for illegally protesting.

Speaker 2:
[58:37] I think that they probably knew that. And again, by this happening, they're gonna get more attention on their issue of choice. So, you know.

Speaker 4:
[58:46] Where are we with ICE? What is going on? That seems like it had so much press.

Speaker 2:
[58:53] I think they have changed their tactics.

Speaker 4:
[58:54] Yeah, is that what's going on?

Speaker 2:
[58:56] I mean, the organization still exists, for sure. I believe Tom, what is it?

Speaker 3:
[59:00] Homan, I think.

Speaker 2:
[59:01] Homan, okay. I knew it was something close. I believe he is now running ICE. I think they have backed off, and I'm glad to see this.

Speaker 4:
[59:11] The masks, what have you?

Speaker 2:
[59:12] I don't know about the masks. The mask, I tell you what, if we didn't live in a world where your entire family was gonna get doxed and be put, I understand why they're doing it, and I also understand why people don't like it.

Speaker 4:
[59:25] Well, you look at the ones that were working in the airports, so they took their masks off.

Speaker 2:
[59:30] I think it largely depends on the role or capacity that you're filling at the time. The people who were at the airport were, they weren't there for that long, and I'm assuming you're talking about when they were augmenting TSA. It seems like they kinda just had a presence and were helping with largely administrative tasks, it seemed like, because of that.

Speaker 4:
[59:52] Moving boxes and helping people.

Speaker 2:
[59:54] I don't know if you necessarily need to mask up for that.

Speaker 4:
[59:57] That makes sense.

Speaker 2:
[59:58] Yeah, when they're having an immigration enforcement activity, I think that's a little bit of a different story. But they certainly still exist.

Speaker 4:
[60:05] Well, you know, the other key I'm gonna really follow is just what the current administration's gonna do with the voting sites with this midterms.

Speaker 2:
[60:15] What do you mean?

Speaker 4:
[60:16] Oh, there, I can only just speak to what I've read, that there's designs to try to close them down, limit the voting places.

Speaker 2:
[60:27] Why would you want to close them down?

Speaker 4:
[60:29] They don't want a lot of people voting.

Speaker 2:
[60:32] That doesn't make sense.

Speaker 4:
[60:32] And again, I'm not saying that that's my opinion. I'm just saying this is what I've read.

Speaker 2:
[60:37] Why would you not want people to vote?

Speaker 4:
[60:39] Well, if you're in a specific area that is almost 98% blue, they're gonna, they're attempting, they want, what did he say? Wanted to nationalize elections?

Speaker 2:
[60:51] I don't think so.

Speaker 4:
[60:52] Yeah, I think, I think he's checked it out, Michael. I think he did say that.

Speaker 2:
[60:56] National, what is it nationalizing an election?

Speaker 4:
[60:58] I don't know. I just, it just, again, with some of the things that our president says, like-

Speaker 2:
[61:03] Yeah, but if we don't understand what they mean, I don't know if we need to get twisted around the axle with them.

Speaker 4:
[61:07] Well, I'm not twisted about-

Speaker 3:
[61:08] So, this is according to Time. President Trump declared that Republicans should nationalize or take over the 2026 midterm elections.

Speaker 2:
[61:18] What does that mean, though?

Speaker 3:
[61:19] I don't know. I can't find the exact quote.

Speaker 4:
[61:21] They want to take the vote. They want to do the vote counting.

Speaker 3:
[61:23] Executive order targeting mail voting.

Speaker 2:
[61:26] I have the impression that there needs to be a neutral third party handling those things. Neither party should have a hand in running or counting the elections.

Speaker 4:
[61:32] Well, we have a different leadership now that ignores the law.

Speaker 3:
[61:35] So, I have-

Speaker 2:
[61:37] He can say that. It doesn't necessarily mean he can do that. He says a lot of wild shit.

Speaker 4:
[61:40] I understand. I understand.

Speaker 3:
[61:43] I have heard what Vaughn is saying from Trump, which means, I mean, I don't know if anything will actually come of it.

Speaker 4:
[61:50] Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3:
[61:51] I have heard of him saying that because there will be so much fraud, quote, unquote, we need to take over the midterm elections.

Speaker 4:
[61:59] And if you look at the amount of fraud there's been, it's microscopic.

Speaker 2:
[62:04] Well, you can't say there isn't any because I guarantee there's been election fraud since the history of elections. It comes down to, like you said, how much is it actually influencing? How big is it actually?

Speaker 4:
[62:14] Well, it's like absentee ballots. They've been around forever. And the amount of fraud in that is even less than what there is at the polling places.

Speaker 2:
[62:22] What are your thoughts on voter ID?

Speaker 4:
[62:23] And I don't know that for a fact. I've just read that.

Speaker 2:
[62:25] Yeah. What do you think about requiring ID to vote?

Speaker 4:
[62:28] Oh, necessary. Some sort.

Speaker 2:
[62:30] Yeah, I don't understand what the argument is against that.

Speaker 4:
[62:32] It makes no sense.

Speaker 3:
[62:34] The argument is, the proponents say that it is-

Speaker 2:
[62:40] The proponents or opponents?

Speaker 3:
[62:41] Opponents say that it is difficult for their words, disenfranchised people to get ID.

Speaker 2:
[62:48] So solve that by-

Speaker 4:
[62:49] Solve that problem.

Speaker 3:
[62:50] I agree. I'm just saying this is what they say. Therefore, it's, of course, racist to say that we need voter ID because it impacts black people at a higher rate than white people.

Speaker 2:
[63:03] I mean, at a baseline life level, having a legitimate government issued ID, I think is helpful.

Speaker 3:
[63:08] I think the government should issue you an ID once you turn 18.

Speaker 4:
[63:11] That's a very solvable issue. No, you got to, I mean.

Speaker 2:
[63:16] And for clarity, I'm completely talking out of my ass right now because I have no idea how easy this would be to do. But I feel like this is a real world solution that if we wanted to, we could absolutely have.

Speaker 3:
[63:25] They're able to track everybody's taxes.

Speaker 2:
[63:29] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[63:30] Yet they can't issue an ID to you.

Speaker 2:
[63:32] They can't track what they do with the money. But they can track whether or not you pay the money.

Speaker 3:
[63:37] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[63:38] It's gone.

Speaker 3:
[63:39] Yeah. It's very convenient. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[63:40] Frigging gone. Yeah. I was reading an article this morning. I forget what piece it was from. How dramatically our research in cancer research has gone down because most of it's done at colleges and all of us funding almost all of it's been wiped out.

Speaker 3:
[64:00] Also, it costs $20,000 a year to go to college.

Speaker 4:
[64:04] Well, that's a whole different job. I feel like that's a whole different job. It costs a hell of a lot more than $20,000.

Speaker 3:
[64:08] I know.

Speaker 4:
[64:08] Shit.

Speaker 3:
[64:09] For in-state.

Speaker 4:
[64:10] Yeah. But I mean, I've been hearing whispers of this, but yeah, the leukemia and cancer which they were getting close to solving some of these problems, there's no research because the funding's all gone.

Speaker 2:
[64:24] I don't know if that's true. Michael, can you look that up?

Speaker 4:
[64:26] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[64:29] Yes, Federal Cancer Research Funding in the US has faced significant cuts with reports indicating a 31% reduction in National Institutes of Health and National Cancer Institute funding during the first quarter of 25 compared to 24. These cuts have resulted in a termination of over 1,800 grants that are impacting cancer clinical trials and research projects.

Speaker 4:
[64:46] That sucks.

Speaker 3:
[64:47] Yeah, that's horrible.

Speaker 2:
[64:48] That doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 4:
[64:51] A lot of times now I don't focus on the big stuff. I just try to fill in some of these bits and pieces. Cancer is a pretty big one. Yeah, well, it got bigger the more I read about it.

Speaker 2:
[65:01] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[65:02] You know, it's just I can understand him having a boner for colleges. But, you know, just to punish them by taking funding away from different aspects.

Speaker 2:
[65:13] I wonder if it was directly to punish them. Or it honestly might be that might be a tailing consequence of Doge coming in with a battle axe instead of a scalpel.

Speaker 4:
[65:23] We ever going to get an explanation of what that was or what they really did?

Speaker 2:
[65:28] I doubt it.

Speaker 4:
[65:29] Yeah, I do too.

Speaker 2:
[65:31] Yeah, I doubt it.

Speaker 4:
[65:33] Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[65:37] What else are you looking forward to this year?

Speaker 4:
[65:40] Oh, a good camping season.

Speaker 2:
[65:41] Where are you going to go?

Speaker 4:
[65:43] Going to do a trip up into Canada first.

Speaker 2:
[65:47] You're talking about with your trailer? When would you like to get that out of the storage unit?

Speaker 4:
[65:52] First next week.

Speaker 2:
[65:53] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[65:54] Yeah. And we're going to camp with my friends, friends right down at Lake Mary Rowan and the campground down for four days. Okay. Friends that are coming from Arizona. But a couple trips to Canada, just a lot of two, three day stuff.

Speaker 2:
[66:16] Is your passport current?

Speaker 4:
[66:17] Yep.

Speaker 2:
[66:18] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[66:18] That's what I use as an ID. Great.

Speaker 2:
[66:21] Why wouldn't you?

Speaker 4:
[66:21] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[66:22] Yeah. What happened to your driver's license?

Speaker 4:
[66:24] I lost it.

Speaker 2:
[66:25] Awesome.

Speaker 4:
[66:26] I found it, though.

Speaker 2:
[66:27] So that doesn't mean you fucking lost it then.

Speaker 4:
[66:29] Well, I just can't finish it off. I was in an absolute frigging panic. Then I started backtracking. So I go into Sykes.

Speaker 2:
[66:38] When was this?

Speaker 4:
[66:38] It was a couple of weeks ago. I go into Sykes and there's the gal standing there. And I thought, oh God, she's got it. She's got almighty.

Speaker 2:
[66:49] Did it come out of your wallet?

Speaker 4:
[66:51] Yeah. Not out of my wallet. I carry it with my money.

Speaker 2:
[66:55] Why?

Speaker 4:
[66:57] It's convenient.

Speaker 2:
[66:59] To lose?

Speaker 4:
[67:00] I have lost it once in, I don't know how many years.

Speaker 2:
[67:03] Recently.

Speaker 1:
[67:04] Well, you have, actually.

Speaker 2:
[67:05] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[67:06] Can't say that anymore, huh?

Speaker 2:
[67:07] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[67:09] No, it's just getting more active, you know, playing a lot of golf.

Speaker 2:
[67:13] Have you started the season?

Speaker 4:
[67:15] I've gone up and started hitting these medications I'm on. It's really screwed up with my depth perception. Which ball am I gonna hit here? That's pretty sweet. Or, god damn, that's a long ways away.

Speaker 2:
[67:32] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[67:32] You know, the...

Speaker 2:
[67:33] So the handicap might take a hit this year?

Speaker 4:
[67:35] Oh yeah. Oh, I don't care. I don't care about handicaps anymore. Biggest thing about these medications, I can't have a cocktail.

Speaker 2:
[67:45] Can't or they frown upon it?

Speaker 4:
[67:48] Well, the... I had the head pharmacist of the VA in Montana on the phone, and I said, I only have one complaint. She says, what's that? I says, why can't I drink? She says, how often do you run a drink? I said, as often as I can. Why? And I said, no, I said, I don't drink much anymore. She says, well, I said, I know. I said, I've abstained. I said, I want to get a good reading on this, too. But the other day, I just, you know, I had a couple of beers and God, what a perfect. OK, but I do it between medic doing my meds. You don't want to do it right after you have a beer and throw down a few antidepressants, you know.

Speaker 2:
[68:35] I'm not. You do you. You're responsible for your behavior.

Speaker 4:
[68:39] You wouldn't think so the way it gets monitored. Well, I love what it tells me. You've been, where you are at has been checked in the last hour six times.

Speaker 2:
[68:48] It doesn't show you that.

Speaker 4:
[68:50] Yeah, it does say that to me.

Speaker 2:
[68:51] You know how many times I've checked your Life360 in the last three weeks? Zero.

Speaker 4:
[68:57] It's not you.

Speaker 2:
[68:59] Well, maybe Leah cares about you.

Speaker 4:
[69:02] I know she does.

Speaker 2:
[69:02] It's almost like you have a history of doing dumb shit.

Speaker 4:
[69:05] It's not dumb, it's age appropriate.

Speaker 2:
[69:07] No, it's irresponsible.

Speaker 4:
[69:08] No, it's age appropriate.

Speaker 2:
[69:10] No, for what age? A child, a toddler?

Speaker 4:
[69:13] No, I'm damn near 80 years old.

Speaker 2:
[69:15] So that means you get to do dumb shit?

Speaker 4:
[69:17] You bet, and it's great. You can go piss yourself in the bathroom and run out the door.

Speaker 2:
[69:23] Yeah, that's one thing that you can do. Yeah, you can try to make entry.

Speaker 4:
[69:27] Now I remember, I go in there and I've just, man, I just can't, the lid's gonna come off and I'm looking at it closed. I said, I had two choices. Do I go piss in the garbage can right there? And I said, I don't want to do that. What are my two choices? It was funny we were on the moon.

Speaker 2:
[69:49] The sink wasn't even an option you considered?

Speaker 4:
[69:51] I couldn't get it up over the edge. Jesus. I'm in the blue moon, I don't know, a month, two months ago and it was, the rodeo was over. We had gone to the rodeo and we go into the bathroom and all the guys are at the urinal. There's just a little teeny guy standing there next to me wanting to get in the urinal. And there was a trash can on the ground, sitting there, I said, hey, right there. And he goes, I could just hear him.

Speaker 2:
[70:20] It's good mentorship.

Speaker 4:
[70:21] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[70:24] I'm worried about your perception of time. Because you say I don't have any no shit because the rodeo month or two ago was in the middle of the winter. They don't do winter rodeos.

Speaker 4:
[70:35] Well, we were there for something.

Speaker 2:
[70:37] Well, I tell you, it wasn't the rodeo.

Speaker 4:
[70:39] Well, maybe it was.

Speaker 2:
[70:40] This is why you're monitored.

Speaker 4:
[70:41] No, I think. Well, maybe it was longer ago then, because I think Lee and I had gone together.

Speaker 2:
[70:47] This is why you're monitored. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4:
[70:55] No, you know, I have enough friends of my age we compare.

Speaker 2:
[71:05] What, the stupid shit you guys do?

Speaker 4:
[71:07] Oh, we do.

Speaker 2:
[71:08] You got any friends wearing diapers yet?

Speaker 4:
[71:11] No.

Speaker 2:
[71:12] You could be the first. You could be trendsetter.

Speaker 4:
[71:14] If I wore them, I'd wear them on the outside.

Speaker 2:
[71:17] That's of course the only way to do it. I would support that actually.

Speaker 4:
[71:20] No, it's, you know, I go to old boys' rugby now. You know, we're standing around the keg having a beer. And the number one topic is always with the old boys, is bladder control. And half of the guys are standing there and have already pissed their pants. You know, who's going to leave the keg? Or you put your pants back up and you continue to dribble.

Speaker 2:
[71:44] Talk into the mic. There you go.

Speaker 4:
[71:48] You'll get there. This is what you have to look forward to.

Speaker 2:
[71:52] I'm going to try to do everything I can to make that take as long as possible.

Speaker 4:
[71:56] I tell you, I did as well.

Speaker 2:
[71:58] Yeah, but now you've really leaned into it. You're really just kind of like...

Speaker 4:
[72:01] Well, I found a whole other playground.

Speaker 2:
[72:04] OK. I don't even know what to do with that comment.

Speaker 4:
[72:09] Nothing to do with it. Just run with it.

Speaker 2:
[72:12] Michael, do you have anything else for today?

Speaker 3:
[72:14] No. Don't worry about 110.

Speaker 2:
[72:18] I feel like people will agree. It's time to go home.

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