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Speaker 1:
[01:14] What is going on, everybody? And thank you all again so very much for joining us here on Expanded Perspectives with me, Cam Hale. And as always, in the chair, rocking and rolling with the world's worst handwriting, Kyle Philson.

Speaker 2:
[01:27] How's it going, everybody? Yes, I'm here in Skelligen Studios, autographing books. That's right. We got the shipment. We've been waiting on for a long time now. We finally got them in. So a few people, I'll be reaching out to you about payment and shipping these autographed books off. If you're a regular listener, they're going to be twenty five dollars. If you're a Patreon supporter, they'll be twenty dollars. And so just message us and we'll send you your book.

Speaker 1:
[01:51] We'll fire them off that way.

Speaker 2:
[01:53] I think we're going to have the different ways to pay. People have been asking about that. I think we'll do PayPal, Venmo, Cash App, Zelle. Two of those ways.

Speaker 1:
[02:02] One of some place. We'll take money somehow.

Speaker 2:
[02:04] Man, remember that back in the day?

Speaker 1:
[02:06] Don't say it.

Speaker 2:
[02:07] If you'd only messed up. There was a person, long ago.

Speaker 1:
[02:11] When we started the Elite show, I think we've talked about this before, that wanted to pay us in Bitcoin. One Bitcoin a month. This is back in like 2014.

Speaker 2:
[02:21] I don't know if it was one whole Bitcoin, though. I think it was like $5 equivalent worth of Bitcoin. But either way, it'd be worth like $300,000 now.

Speaker 1:
[02:30] It was something crazy, because we looked back on it, because we were like, what is this Bitcoin? We don't want no business with this.

Speaker 2:
[02:35] Well, back in the day, you're talking this was 2014?

Speaker 1:
[02:39] I'd have probably been like the guy that I saw that apparently lost that flash drive that had like $7 billion worth of Bitcoin. That would have been us.

Speaker 2:
[02:46] He's been looking for it for years now.

Speaker 1:
[02:48] That would have been us. We would have had all that and lost it.

Speaker 2:
[02:51] How do you feel knowing that you somehow accidentally threw away $7 million?

Speaker 1:
[02:55] No, I can't. I can't even imagine that, right? I'll tell you why, because so and I may have said this before, we were at a gun show years ago, and they had those where they looked like regular cans of, let's say, pledge or any kind of cleaning like a Lysol, anything like that. But they're hollow. You un-screw the bottom and put money in them. My wife's like, let's get one of those. I'm like, okay. We bought one of like, I think it was pledge, let's say. Stuffing money in it, stuffing money in it. One day I go to look for it. It's gone. It's gone because it was full of money, but it wasn't full of spray. And I think she tried to spray, it didn't work, and she just threw it in the trash. Completely forgot. So I don't know how much money got thrown out in that thing, but we had been stuffing cash in there and then just gone. So that was the last time I ever tried to get like sneaky with it.

Speaker 2:
[03:48] You hit it so well, you hit it from yourself.

Speaker 1:
[03:50] And I do that with a lot of stuff.

Speaker 2:
[03:51] I do it all the time.

Speaker 1:
[03:52] Man, and I don't-

Speaker 2:
[03:53] My wife doesn't help because I'll misplace something, and then it turns out she moved it. I'm like, why do you move my stuff? I never, ever, ever, ever go in our room and move anything we want.

Speaker 1:
[04:03] Well, see, that's on you. You need to start going in there and just putting stuff up of hers anywhere like that. Just turn it back. Folks, if you want the key to a long, happy relationship, you got to do on to others, right? If they move your stuff, move theirs. So what I do, you know what happens? It'll eventually stop. You'll eventually wear them down.

Speaker 2:
[04:23] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[04:24] That's what it is. So just go in there. Next time she's gone and there's clothes, just take a bunch of her clothes and just stuff them in a random drawer.

Speaker 2:
[04:32] Also, I don't get to decide where anything goes in the house, but she gets to decide where everything goes, which is weird.

Speaker 1:
[04:36] Well, you have terrible taste, so.

Speaker 2:
[04:38] Well, I don't. My feng shui is way off. But I'll be like, I'm going to put this over there. And she'll be like, no, don't put it there. Put it over here.

Speaker 1:
[04:44] And it's like, what? Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[04:46] How do you know all the right places? And I know all the wrong hurts.

Speaker 1:
[04:49] I think we know. I think we know.

Speaker 2:
[04:52] No, I mean, she probably is more correct than me, but it's just strange.

Speaker 1:
[04:56] I think we know.

Speaker 2:
[04:57] Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[04:57] Speaking of strange.

Speaker 2:
[04:59] Yeah, let's get into some strange stories today.

Speaker 1:
[05:01] I got some creepy stories. Do we have a pile of them again? We're coming at you. I've got something I think you're really going to like, Mr. Philson. This took place in Virginia.

Speaker 2:
[05:10] I'm going to get a sip of this Dr. Pepper Essex County.

Speaker 1:
[05:13] Now, of course, I always pick these places that I can't really pronounce. This is one of them. I have no idea where this was at, but I will get to it when it comes time. So listen to this says, I'll preface all this by saying, I'm a skeptic as much as I'd like supernatural things to exist, I find it hard to believe. I'm sure there is a logical explanation for what I encountered, but that does not stop it from being the weirdest thing that I have ever experienced. Now, this happened back in early 2006, when I was a student at VCU. A friend was visiting me from out of town, we decided to go ghost hunting because those shows were popular at the time, and hell, we were bored.

Speaker 2:
[05:55] Bad idea, right? Already, I know where this is going.

Speaker 1:
[05:58] Going down the wrong path. A few months earlier, I had gone with some friends to a place in rural, get ready folks, Tappahannock, Tappahannock?

Speaker 2:
[06:08] Sure.

Speaker 1:
[06:09] Yeah, Tappahannock, Virginia. It's called Preacher's Rest. And from what I remember, it was an old house in the woods tied to a local story about a church fire and people dying inside. I cannot swear that was the exact legend, but that was how I remembered it. So we picked up another friend and her boyfriend, and the four of us drove out from Richmond towards Tappahannock. Once we got there, we were just driving around the empty woods trying to find that place again. Now, I had not driven there on the earlier trip, so my memory was vague. I mostly remembered a general store with a strange Elvis statue outside. Well, at one point, we came upon a long straight road, maybe a quarter mile long, that dipped in the middle and then rose back up. And as we headed down towards the low point, I saw a deer standing on the opposite side of the road. I slowed down right away because I have always been nervous about, of course, hitting a deer. Its head was lowered to the ground at first, but I could already tell something was wrong. Its legs looked misshapen, knobby, almost twisted. I remember thinking maybe it was diseased or injured or just malformed. But when we got close enough to pass it, this thing lifted its head. Well, my friend and I both screamed. The deer had a man's face.

Speaker 2:
[07:34] What?

Speaker 1:
[07:35] We were moving slowly enough that I got a clear look at it. This was not a quick glance. I remember the neck seeming to turn into human skin. The face looked like a man's face, not fur covered, not deer-like, not something I could easily dismiss.

Speaker 2:
[07:49] Like a jimikin. Uh huh.

Speaker 1:
[07:51] Its eyes were wide.

Speaker 2:
[07:52] It's a dimmikin.

Speaker 1:
[07:53] It's a dimmikin. Almost startled, like we were not supposed to be there seeing it. So I turned to my friend and yelled, Did you see that? And he yelled back, Yeah, it had a dude's face. It's the dude. The couple in the back had been arguing and missed the whole thing. We tried to explain what we had seen, but I don't think they understood how unnatural it looked. So we kept driving and eventually hit a dead end. So we had to turn around and go back the way we came. By that point, everyone in the car was alert. And as we approached the same dip in the road on the passenger side this time, a basset hound puppy came out of the trees right at the exact spot where we had seen the deer man. The couple in the back wanted us to stop for the puppy. I refused. There was no way I was going to slow down here. My immediate thought was, this is a trap. I know there are logical things people could point to, weird lightning, disease, stress, bad angles, all of it. But I still can't explain why on the return pass, there was a puppy in the exact same place where we had just seen that thing. Maybe it meant nothing. Maybe it was a coincidence. But I was not about to get out of the car to find out. A deer-faced man.

Speaker 2:
[09:12] Don't go to Virginia.

Speaker 1:
[09:13] Yeah. But the minute you start hearing the story like it could have been a puppy, I'm like, that's a trap, dude. Sounds like it feels like it's trying to bait somebody in. I'm not down with it. So a deer-faced man. So I don't know. Was that in a not deer category? I mean, it's not a deer.

Speaker 2:
[09:30] I don't know what category you put that in.

Speaker 1:
[09:32] I don't know. I mean, I guess you could lump it in with the not deer categories.

Speaker 2:
[09:35] And again, there's multiple witnesses. So one person lost their mind.

Speaker 1:
[09:39] Yeah. Yeah. It was two people saw it the first time, and then all four saw the puppy. But the two that had seen it the first time was like, dude, we're not stopping.

Speaker 2:
[09:46] Do you put it in a centaur category? Because that's kind of like a goat man. This is a deer man. So maybe it's a type of centaur.

Speaker 1:
[09:52] Maybe it is. It's got to be fae-related. I go with fae all the time. Or demonic. Fae or demonic. If they're not the same thing, I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[10:00] Don't go ghost hunting.

Speaker 1:
[10:02] No.

Speaker 2:
[10:03] Nothing good can come from it. Nothing good.

Speaker 1:
[10:05] Just leave them alone. They're fine. They're dead for a reason. They're just doing their own thing. Let them do their own thing. Don't go out there trying to talk to them.

Speaker 2:
[10:11] Right. We get invited all the time to go on them. I turn every one of them down. I'm like, no.

Speaker 1:
[10:15] I'm not interested. I'm not interested at all.

Speaker 2:
[10:18] We got people that want us to go big foot hunting. Let's just go hunting and maybe I'll see big foot.

Speaker 1:
[10:22] That's my, like, you want to go hiking or go camping? I'm down and maybe we stumble, but I don't want to go purposely like investigate for them.

Speaker 2:
[10:30] I do a lot of tax write-offs because I'm big foot hunting. I need these new binoculars.

Speaker 1:
[10:38] I need to hunt big foot. I need to give me some swarrows so I can hunt big foot.

Speaker 2:
[10:42] I need to do this new M1A because I'm hunting for big foot.

Speaker 1:
[10:45] I got to get this thermal scope so I can go find the big foot.

Speaker 2:
[10:49] Check this out. In the early 2000s, I was stationed in the northern part of Washington where I met a girl and got married. After a year or so, the Navy decided I needed to move to Florida, so I decided to take the time off and the pay to move myself so we loaded up the truck and started driving. I was taking a route that would get me from north of Seattle to Jacksonville, Florida via South Texas to visit my family. This wasn't a short trip and my wife hates driving, so I figured I'd MapQuest printout and a bunch of Red Bull and we'd be in Texas in two days. I was simply going to drive until I couldn't. Well, I'd been driving roughly 24 hours straight, only stopping for gas and I was exhausted and pulling up to Roswell, New Mexico around 1 a.m. from the north on 285 and I-70. The first thing you see when coming in from that direction is a Walmart on the right. I know exactly where it is and a giant inflatable green alien on the roof. I pulled into a gas station, bought fuel and a Red Bull and decided I'd make it to Brownfield and sleep in Texas. It's about two hours away. We exit to the 380 sign that we saw. We see a sign saying Brownfield 140 miles. There's no traffic and I'm running pretty fast. So I figured about an hour and 45 minutes, we'd get to a motel and I could crash out. After driving for about an hour, I wake up my wife who was curled up sleeping in the passenger seat to help me fight to stay awake. Two hours pass and I'm still driving on 380 through the desert, wondering how the hell a two-hour trip has lasted three hours now. When I've been speeding, then I see a sign saying Roswell 10 miles. And I kind of freak out, assuming I dozed off, ran through the median and ended up going west as I approached Brownfield, which is pretty terrifying since I had no memory of it. Then I see the Walmart with the inflatable alien and realize I'm on 285 coming in from the north, which is entirely impossible. I drove three hours east on a different highway. That doesn't connect to this one except in Roswell. I pulled into the same gas station from the same direction and walked in and the same guy was working and I had the weirdest feeling of deja vu. So I went up to the counter and I asked the guy, Hey buddy, have you ever seen me before? And he said, Yeah, you were here around 1 a.m. and it was almost 5 a.m. now. I asked him, Are you sure? He said, Yeah, it's been a slow night. You bought some Red Bulls and some gasoline. I asked him where a motel was and he pointed me just down the street where I got a room and slept till around 3 p.m. We continued our trip seeing in the same direction, seeing the same towns, the same signs that we passed the night before, joking about alien abduction, which neither of us actually believed. But in truth, I don't know what the hell happened. If I fell asleep, drove through the median and got turned around somehow, I don't see how either one of us didn't realize it. And we were driving around 70 miles an hour, would have been pretty bumpy. We'd have to have had driven back all the way through Roswell without remembering. Then at the same time, I'm wondering, but the guy definitely saw me, so I didn't dream any of that. I have no idea what happened, but we made it to South Texas and then on to Florida without any other problems. That was over 20 years ago, and I still have no idea what happened. If it was supernatural, which I doubt it is, the only supernatural thing I've ever experienced so far, was this. Maybe it was just sleep deprivation. I don't know, Greg. So was it like a time slip?

Speaker 1:
[14:40] Dude, that's so weird. Look, I understand one thing is lost, but you made a giant loop and came right back the same way. You're like, nah.

Speaker 2:
[14:49] I had no explanation, but the guy in the gas station recognized and knew exactly what he bought.

Speaker 1:
[14:53] Yeah, dude. Yeah, that's-

Speaker 2:
[14:56] Now, we'll say, because this was 20 years ago, he mentions MapQuest, so people know what those are. Remember MapQuest, the maps goes. So it was easier back in the day to get turned around compared to nowadays, but still, I've driven that route, not from Washington, but I've driven through Roswell from here multiple times, even 30 years ago as a kid being in the passenger seat, and then later years when we would go skiing in Colorado and stuff. I've never accidentally drove the wrong direction for three hours.

Speaker 1:
[15:25] Well, I could understand if it was like you woke up and you were coming back in from the south, or heading and you were going west when you come in like you had been turned around.

Speaker 2:
[15:33] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[15:33] But it's like you came in the exact same way you came in three hours ago. Yeah. You would think that to get back to that starting point after leaving would take a lot more time than what it took.

Speaker 2:
[15:44] Yeah. I think it was like a time slip.

Speaker 1:
[15:46] It feels like a time slip or something grabbed them, tracked them in there, waited for them to leave. I mean, it is Roswell. You wait for them to leave and then just like the message we got just last night, like some crazy stuff going on to where people are seeing stuff in the sky again. I don't know. With all the talk of the UAPs and all the stuff there with the disclosure and the things they're trying to leave and Mr. Wilcox passing under maybe some weird circumstances, like there's a lot of strange stuff going on.

Speaker 2:
[16:15] Yeah, right. All those guys from Ancient Aliens have been passing by, all these scientists.

Speaker 1:
[16:19] Missing, like what's going on? Yeah, like some strange stuff is going down for sure. I don't like it.

Speaker 2:
[16:25] I don't either. It's bizarre.

Speaker 1:
[16:27] I get to looking into it and then I get geeked out and I just stop. I'm like, yeah, I'm good. I'm just like, ignorance is bliss.

Speaker 2:
[16:33] My algorithms know that I like that stuff, I'm constantly bombarded with it.

Speaker 1:
[16:37] Just eat up with it.

Speaker 2:
[16:38] Yeah, well, you know, ten years ago, a lot of everybody thought I was a crazy conspiracy theorist.

Speaker 1:
[16:44] Now you're just crazy.

Speaker 2:
[16:46] Yeah, but it looks like a lot of them are right.

Speaker 1:
[16:47] Yeah, that's the wild part, right?

Speaker 2:
[16:49] Oh man.

Speaker 1:
[16:50] Speaking of wild, let's take a break first. Oh, you want to?

Speaker 2:
[16:52] Yeah, we got to pay some bills around here.

Speaker 1:
[16:54] Okay, let's do it.

Speaker 2:
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Speaker 2:
[20:34] And we're back. All right, tell me what you were going to tell me before the break.

Speaker 1:
[20:38] I got you one here. The reason it jumped out is it's from Southern Arizona. Okay, you're going to get a dig out of this. It says, a few years ago, I got a call from my brother in Arizona asking if I wanted to come out for a visit. Now he had just received a substantial work bonus and wanted to use part of it on a brotherly trip. Some hiking, some decent Mexican food, and a break from routine. And I had a few vacation days saved, so I agreed. The trip started normally enough. He showed me around Phoenix, Tempe, and Chandler over the next two days. We also visited Sedona and a few other parts of the state.

Speaker 2:
[21:13] Did you go to Morenci?

Speaker 1:
[21:14] Probably. I was set to leave on the third day when he suggested we spend my final night doing something outdoors. Since I'd be returning to the cold, wet weather back home, it sounded like a good idea. So we found a place to camp in southern Arizona, not far from the border and near an area where we had hiked the day before. It was an open desert, flat in every direction, with enough room to spread out and enjoy the isolation. So we parked his truck about half a mile from where we set up camp. Close enough to reach if needed, but far enough away to preserve the feeling of actually being out there. The evening was quiet. We talked, ate leftovers we had saved from restaurants and just relaxed. There was nobody else around that we could see. The nearest road was roughly two miles away. It was the kind of desert silence that feels peaceful until something breaks it. So at about 10 p.m. just after dinner, we both noticed something to the north, maybe a half a mile from camp. At first, it looked like a low mound in the desert, but it was moving, not smoothly, but in a slow steady lurch as if each motion required effort. Now its colors match the sand, yet it clearly was not sand. Even at that distance, the surface looked fuzzy in a way that was deeply unpleasant to stare at. Now I remember wanting to rub my eyes, and when I looked at my brother, he was doing exactly that. Now for some reason, fear and fascination kept us in place. We did not retreat even as the thing got closer and closer. Once it was only a few hundred yards away, the scale of it finally hit me. It was enormous. The flatness of the desert may have exaggerated its size, but sitting there beneath it, looking up, it felt massive beyond reason. My brother and I have discussed it many times since, and every time we try to describe it, we end up reaching for different analogies. We usually settle on something like a huge dry washcloth. Now, another comparison I used was a hideously blossoming flower, unfurling in irregular, ugly folds. There was no obvious head, no face, no eyes, no antenna, no sensory organs I could identify, just a huge shifting body. Now, the best way I can explain its surface is this. Imagine a ball of light brown clay pulled outward in all directions, then covered all over with tiny pins, thousands of them. They make those pins vibrate, then make them vibrate, and give the clay itself a faint buzzing breathing motion. That is about as close as I can come to describing how it looked while idling. Now, as it approached, I felt more than fear. I felt sick in a way that did not resemble nausea. It was closer to delirium. As though my brain was having trouble processing what I was seeing. Looking back, I think my mind simply could not make sense of the thing. Then, one of its parts, I hesitate to call them tentacles or appendages because neither word feels right, drifted past me. As it moved by, I felt the space around me shift. It was as if the air itself had been pulled aside, brushed away, or subtracted. I became acutely aware of the space I occupied and of something being displaced around me. That was more frightening than the creature's appearance. A moment later, I heard my brother make a sound, then suppress it. I turned and saw a much larger section of the entity pass over him.

Speaker 2:
[25:06] Is things just floating over them?

Speaker 1:
[25:08] Just like rolling across the ground, just sweeping past them. It says, then it was directly above us. I expected to see some sort of underside, maybe a mouth or teeth or some visible structure that would explain what I was dealing with. Instead, there was only more of the same pulsing, buzzing, prickly flesh. Because it had not attacked, I had the sudden thought that maybe it could not sense us if we stayed still. So I turned toward my brother and mouthed, Don't move. He didn't answer, but I could tell he had already made the same choice. Now we disagree somewhat on how long it took to pass over us, but we both placed it somewhere between 20 and 45 seconds. To me, it felt much longer. I was hyper aware of every second. Now my brother seems to think the experience altered his sense of time all together. Now after it passed, I did not immediately turn around. I waited several minutes before even looking at my brother. He was breathing in a deliberate rhythm, clearly trying to calm himself down. Oddly, I felt almost physically relaxed. I was terrified, yes, but also numb in a strange way, as though my mind had gone past panic and just settled into blunt acceptance. And when we finally turned to look, there was nothing there. The desert was flat and empty again. The truck remained visible in the distance. The sand showed signs of disturbance, as though something extremely large had rolled, crawled or swept across it all at once. But there was no slime, no droppings, no hard evidence that would satisfy anyone. We stayed there the rest of the night. We only spoke when necessary. Neither of us turned on the radio. I had earphones but never touched them. After witnessing something like that, normal distractions felt meaningless. We sat there in silence for hours. The next morning, we packed up, walked back to the truck and drove to his house. We had breakfast near the airport before I flew home. We did not seriously discuss what happened until almost a year later. We both needed time. It was not like seeing a dangerous animal or an accident or any other shocking but ordinary event. This felt unreal, but not in a dreamlike way. It felt as though something existed alongside the natural world that didn't fit within any category. I knew and yet moved through that world with total ease. I still don't know what we saw, but I do know that it will probably be the last time I ever visit Arizona, Gary.

Speaker 2:
[27:57] What in the world?

Speaker 1:
[27:59] What could that have even been?

Speaker 2:
[28:00] Do you think it's one of these biological entities we talk about that lives way up in the atmosphere and they descend at night? You know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 1:
[28:07] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[28:07] The skyways, they're called.

Speaker 1:
[28:09] I don't know, but I really like to believe that that's a thing like that.

Speaker 2:
[28:13] Yeah, there's some video footage of stuff that people have captured way up there of some bizarre things. People will go in their yard and it looks like jelly on the ground. They don't know where it came from. And people theorize that it's a life form that like, when it dies, it drifts down or falls to the ground. I don't know. It's an interesting idea.

Speaker 1:
[28:32] It is very interesting.

Speaker 2:
[28:32] Because you think about the, there's animals that we didn't even know existed at the bottom of the ocean, very deep. There's like, there's no way there's life down here, yet they find it. So why couldn't the opposite happen? Why couldn't there be some kind of life form above 70,000 feet? You know what I mean?

Speaker 1:
[28:47] Yeah. I mean, there's no, like, plausible explanation of anything of what this is. I mean, it left a physical trail. It was massive. It was rolling. Doesn't really talk about a smell. There was no slime.

Speaker 2:
[29:02] It looks like an octopus.

Speaker 1:
[29:03] Just, yeah, just rolling across the ground.

Speaker 2:
[29:06] You've seen those videos of up in the high in the atmosphere where it looks like things are moving on their own and people theorize that they're UFOs, but other people are saying that those are living organisms. That's why they're moving around. Of course, you've seen the one where there's like a flash and it moves and then something from earth shoots up at it. What is that?

Speaker 1:
[29:23] Some of that stuff is so weird. Man, I don't even want to get into it because then you go down the rabbit hole of, are we under a dome? Are we, you know, like you start getting crazy, right?

Speaker 2:
[29:34] Well, you know the old drive-in up here, that's just like the drive-in in Spies Like Us. You know that thing opens up and it's a giant mirror.

Speaker 1:
[29:39] Oh yeah, I used to work right beside it.

Speaker 2:
[29:40] It's got rockets in it.

Speaker 1:
[29:42] Yeah, it opens up, my CBMs come up out of the ground and all that stuff.

Speaker 2:
[29:45] There's a giant, there's like a laser, there's a mirror at the drive-in theater, focusing. Talk about an excellent movie.

Speaker 1:
[29:52] Was it The Root Beater or Pepsi? Pull the Pepsi and it shoots you down below. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[29:57] Spies Like Us, it's a good one.

Speaker 1:
[29:58] It's a good show. Chevy Chase and Dan Aykroyd. My Lord, that is a funny show.

Speaker 2:
[30:03] That was back in the day when they were on top, man. Everything they made was hilarious.

Speaker 1:
[30:07] Yeah, it was good. Spies Like Us is pretty funny.

Speaker 2:
[30:09] There's not really any good comedies anymore.

Speaker 1:
[30:11] You're such an old man.

Speaker 2:
[30:13] Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1:
[30:13] Such an old man.

Speaker 2:
[30:15] What's the new movie Luke wants me to go see with him? It's called Hungry.

Speaker 1:
[30:19] What about The Mummy?

Speaker 2:
[30:21] He's already seen it.

Speaker 1:
[30:22] Oh, did he go see it? I was all pumped when I saw the name of it. And then I watched the trailer and I'm like, I'm out.

Speaker 2:
[30:27] He gave it a six out of ten, if that tells you something.

Speaker 1:
[30:29] If he thinks it's bad.

Speaker 2:
[30:31] Yeah. Anyways, this new one called Hungry, dude, it's about like Luke thinks it's garbage.

Speaker 1:
[30:36] It is hot garbage.

Speaker 2:
[30:38] These people go on a trip in the bayou in Louisiana and there's an escaped hippopotamus that's killing everybody. It's called Hungry. It's not out till May, I don't think, but he's already made me watch the trailer to it.

Speaker 1:
[30:51] What a good premise is if there was a bunch of like hippos.

Speaker 2:
[30:55] We talk about escaped animals all the time.

Speaker 1:
[30:57] I would think they could live pretty well up through Florida and all through that area.

Speaker 2:
[31:01] Pablo Escobar had like a couple of pet ones and they got loose and now there's like a whole breeding population of them.

Speaker 1:
[31:07] How long until that happens in Florida?

Speaker 2:
[31:11] It already has happened.

Speaker 1:
[31:11] I'm talking with hippos, not with everything else. I mean, just the hippos.

Speaker 2:
[31:14] I'm sure it's already happening.

Speaker 1:
[31:16] We need to go down there and holler at Andrew and go chase pythons with our bow and arrow sets.

Speaker 2:
[31:20] No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1:
[31:20] Yeah, we need to go around and shoot them with our bow and arrow set.

Speaker 2:
[31:22] I don't like snakes.

Speaker 1:
[31:24] Well, that's why you go shoot them.

Speaker 2:
[31:25] Yeah, but...

Speaker 1:
[31:26] We can eat them. I've never eaten python. It's probably pretty good.

Speaker 2:
[31:30] I've had rattlesnake.

Speaker 1:
[31:31] Yeah, python's probably pretty good. And you could make belts and boots. You'd love, Kyle loves a snake skin vest. If any of y'all have ever seen, if you've ever seen Crocodile Dundee's vest, Kyle likes to sport that in the summer, no shirt, just that... Looks like he's been eating fried chicken. He's got that grease in his chest hair and he's got his snake skin vest on.

Speaker 2:
[31:55] That's not a knife. He has a knife. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[31:57] See, that's it.

Speaker 2:
[31:58] Yeah, I want to make it out there one day.

Speaker 1:
[31:59] We'll have to... Well, yeah, we're going down there. We're going to go with Andrew and going to go hunt python. Python cowboy.

Speaker 2:
[32:06] People probably don't know who you're even talking about.

Speaker 1:
[32:08] Probably not.

Speaker 2:
[32:09] Check this out. This is pretty cool. It says, Hey, guys. Cameron, I like this story because you've mentioned this story or stories around this event happening numerous times in the past.

Speaker 1:
[32:18] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[32:19] But this is kind of backs up those stories. Says, Hey, guys, back in 1980, I was an airman in the United States Air Force. I was stationed at George Air Force Base in Victoriaville, California.

Speaker 1:
[32:31] Thanks for your service.

Speaker 2:
[32:33] Our unit worked with F4s in the wild weasel role, basically combat support. But like a lot of enlisted guys, you go where you're told and you don't ask a lot of questions. That year, we were sent up to Canada to train with their forces at CFB Comox on Vancouver Island.

Speaker 1:
[32:51] They were protecting all the shipments of maple syrup.

Speaker 2:
[32:54] The trip itself should have been routine, but it wasn't. We took off in a C-141 and somewhere along the way, we had an in-flight emergency. We had to divert and land at Travis Air Force Base because one of the engines was losing hydraulic fluid. I remember watching the crew chief pouring can after can into the system, and it just kept dropping right back to zero.

Speaker 1:
[33:17] That's never what you want to see while you're in flight, to just dumping fluid in it like, we got to keep it going.

Speaker 2:
[33:23] Here's the part that got to me. One of the crew had a parachute. The rest of us didn't.

Speaker 1:
[33:29] Oh, no.

Speaker 2:
[33:30] Now, that didn't sit well when you're thousands of feet up in the air. Eventually, it got stable enough, and we continued north. We even flew over Mount St. Helens, not long after it erupted.

Speaker 1:
[33:41] Now you have my full attention.

Speaker 2:
[33:43] You could still see the devastation from the air. It looked like the earth had been peeled open. When we got to Comox, we were told we'd be staying longer than planned. There was some kind of emergency mission we had to carry out, and we were needed. Nobody questioned it, you just don't. For a couple of days, we sat around doing nothing. Looking back, I think they were figuring out what to do with us. Then one night, everything changed. They loaded us onto a bus and drove us to the southern end of the island. From there, we boarded what I can only describe as some kind of naval ferry. I'd never seen anything like it. They drove the entire bus onto it, secured it, and ferried us across to the US side in complete darkness. Once we rolled off, we kept driving. It was raining, cloudy, pitch black, no landmarks, no towns, nothing. Eventually, we arrived at what looked like a disaster zone, and that's when things got strange. They issued us M16s, just one magazine each. That alone was odd. Most of us hadn't touched a rifle since basic training.

Speaker 1:
[34:47] It's not that odd. They probably wouldn't shoot more than one magazine.

Speaker 2:
[34:50] Then they handed out plain green fatigues and these ill-fitting helmets that just said guard on them. The briefing was short, real short. We were told to guard access points around a tented military area. Check credentials, let authorized personnel in. And if anyone tried to get through without clearance, we were to shoot. No explanation, no details. There was about 30 of us.

Speaker 1:
[35:16] So all in unmarked everything. No, okay, okay.

Speaker 2:
[35:21] There was about 30 of us and not a single one of us knew where we were. It looked isolated, like we were near land that had been hit by an eruption. We lived right there in tents, ate there, slept there. For over a week, we barely left an area about the size of an acre. Most of us were posted at these tent entrances. And this is where it gets hard to explain. The tents were set up with partitions, like a foyer. So you couldn't actually see inside the main area. The lighting was beyond bright, but it was designed so guards couldn't see what was really going on. Traffic was minimal. And the only people I ever saw coming and going were what looked like medical personnel, usually someone in a white lab coat, escorting individuals inside. But the individuals they were escorting, they were always bundled up. Heavy coats, dark-knit caps, hands completely hidden. I never saw a single face, not once. The doctors would give a last name, flash credentials, and then walk through. That was it. No panic, no chaos, nothing that matched the level of security we were told to enforce. Then toward the end of the assignment, I noticed something. Two of the individuals being escorted were extremely tall. And I don't mean just tall. I mean a full head taller than the person walking with them. They were also very broad, wide across the shoulders and torso. At the time, I told myself they were just heavy coats because of the cold weather. Maybe they had multiple layers on, but something about it didn't sit right. After eight or nine days, we were pulled out, debriefed, and told we had been guarding victims from the Mount St. Helens eruption and that we were not to discuss it with anyone. Then we were finally allowed to shower, given our original uniforms back from a separate tent behind the latrines and loaded back onto the bus. Same route, same ferry, back to Canada. And just like that, it was over. We went back to training like nothing had ever happened. A few sorties, drank a lot of LaBotte Blue, eventually went back to George Air Force Base. I didn't think much of it for years. But later on, I started reading these stories, these reports, things about creatures seen around Mount St. Helens after the eruption, Bigfoot and other things. And that's when it hit me. Those people, we were guarding. They might not have been people at all. And I'll leave you with this. That was the only time in my entire Air Force career, outside of basic training, that I was ever handed a rifle and told to guard something like that will.

Speaker 1:
[38:02] Wow.

Speaker 2:
[38:02] So I bring that up because you've mentioned and done these stories.

Speaker 1:
[38:05] Oh yeah.

Speaker 2:
[38:07] About these Bigfoot being burned up because of the forest fire caused by that eruption.

Speaker 1:
[38:11] Yeah. And that they found family units of them and they were moving family units. Some were dead, some were alive, some were escorted. And what's funny is him telling that story ties into the story of other military or National Guardsmen being there, seeing unmarked men.

Speaker 2:
[38:28] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[38:29] Knowing they were military but had on nothing but just certain clothes. And that's all they did. They didn't speak to anybody. All they did was make sure nobody got close to this section, stayed where it was. They would take those deuce and a halfs in there, fill them up with whatever it was and drive them out.

Speaker 2:
[38:45] So that's what I'm saying. This story fits exactly with what you reported. And it makes you wonder.

Speaker 1:
[38:49] I love it.

Speaker 2:
[38:50] Maybe that's like we were talking before. I was talking about being a conspiracy theorist. Yeah. Maybe some of these stories aren't made up.

Speaker 1:
[38:55] They just sound too crazy to be true. And then it turned, which is the way most of it is, right? Sounds too crazy to be true. And it turns out, no, it's real.

Speaker 2:
[39:02] That's what I think.

Speaker 1:
[39:03] Man, I love that. Look, the Mount St. Helens story is one of my favorites because of all those threads of the idea of, like, if you were to peel back and do that, right? If you were to, because I've always thought about it. Imagine if you could just low fly the rate, like a gunship, anything that you just hover over with that thermal and look down in there, what you would see now. Like if you could, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2:
[39:27] No, I do know.

Speaker 1:
[39:27] You could see through the canopy and do all that stuff now. Or with the satellite footage that they could pull up.

Speaker 2:
[39:32] They absolutely can do that.

Speaker 1:
[39:34] Yeah, so that's what I'm like, do they know it's there? Is that the thing? They know stuff like that is out there.

Speaker 2:
[39:39] I know your heartbeats different, sounds different than Sasquatch's heartbeat.

Speaker 1:
[39:42] When I saw that footage and listened to them talk about what they released and how they found the downed airmen.

Speaker 2:
[39:48] Oh, so you looked into it after I told you about it? That ghost murmur technology?

Speaker 1:
[39:52] Where they can pick your heartbeat out of a crowd.

Speaker 2:
[39:54] Yeah, that's not good.

Speaker 1:
[39:55] In the total darkness.

Speaker 2:
[39:56] Yeah, that's not good.

Speaker 1:
[39:57] No, it's not good. Well, look, it's like everything else, double edged sword.

Speaker 2:
[40:02] We couldn't do it to you. So what the airmen that went missing, they already like recorded what his heart sounds like. So you have to be.

Speaker 1:
[40:08] Well, you say that. But then you have all these people willingly wearing Apple watches and Fitbits and it's linked to their names and it's linked to their accounts and all that stuff could easily be taken to where they could take that information and run it through. People are willingly giving them their information. Oh, we want to make sure you have your face to unlock it. Now they have your facial recognition every day. You do it so it can tell when you age and how you age and has it watches this whole thing. All the facial recognition.

Speaker 2:
[40:35] They implement technology and put that on a robotic dog that's coming to look for you. Just for you. Where are you going to hide?

Speaker 1:
[40:41] Yeah, and it could be coming to save you or it could be coming to take you. Yeah, that's the thing. That's the kind of stuff that goes through my mind. I hate technology, all kinds.

Speaker 2:
[40:51] No, no, I love it. I love technology. You got to, AI overlord, it's eliciting.

Speaker 1:
[40:55] It's going to be our downfall.

Speaker 2:
[40:57] Whenever I use AI, I always thank it a lot. Like, hey buddy, I'm your friend. Thank you.

Speaker 1:
[41:01] I legitimately do that. When it's done, if I'm messing around, like I was messing with some D&D stuff, and when it's done, I'm like, hey, thank you so much.

Speaker 2:
[41:08] I'm just like, you got to be kind to the AI overlords, because one day they're going to be the Terminator. One day not too far from now, they're going to be running stuff. And you want to be like, remember me? I was always nice.

Speaker 1:
[41:17] I was a good dude, man.

Speaker 2:
[41:18] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[41:19] Then I'm going to be tossing EMPs at it. Okay, I've got you another one here that's a deersiding, but I want you to listen to this, because I've not heard one like this. Okay, this is pretty interesting. This takes place in the Hells Canyon area of Northern Idaho. This young man said, look, when I was around 15 years old, I'd been bow hunting for a few years with my dad. He had introduced me to it, would take me to hunt, do all this. I sat with him this whole thing. When I hit 15, he was like, I think it's old enough now that I are you're old enough, and you know, and have done enough of it, you can rifle hunt with me. So let's go rifle hunt. So, you know, he goes out shooting all in the off season, gets everything dialed in, he's good to go. So they don't live too far from this area. So they just, you know, cruise up to this spot. So they go out early one morning, they get up into the rifle stand as his dad's got set up. He said, man, we sat there for a couple hours, you know, it's dark, it's kind of nothing's really going on, almost no movement of anything besides the birds, a normal morning routine of everything waking up. Said about 50 yards away, he catches movement. So it's close and he sees this buck kind of stick his head out. So the boy, he said, man, I get fired up. This is a beautiful mainframe eight point. He's like, dude, perfect. This is what I want.

Speaker 2:
[42:36] Your heart starts beating.

Speaker 1:
[42:38] You can't catch your breath.

Speaker 2:
[42:40] Start thinking about all your buddies you're going to show. Show them up what I'm done. Look how good of a hunter I am.

Speaker 1:
[42:44] That's all that goes through your mind at first. You're like, oh, you're fired up. He said this was going to be the perfect shot. 50 yard broadside, all he needs this buck to just step out. He gets his rifle up, gets it braced off out the window of the box blind. He's setting on it. He's like, as soon as this buck steps out and gives me the shot, I'm taking it. He says, it steps a little further out in the opening. He said, I'm looking through the scope, and that's when I noticed there's something off the way it's moving. He said, maybe it's injured, the way it's kind of coming out of the brush. He says, as more of it stepped out, he noticed that the fur up around all the hair around its front shoulders and all that looked completely out of place, like something's not right on this thing. So, he bumps his elbows his dad. He says, hey, Pop, maybe we shouldn't mess with this one. There looks like there's something wrong with it.

Speaker 2:
[43:30] It's got chronic wasting disease or something.

Speaker 1:
[43:33] Yeah, maybe it's got CWD. You don't know. So, he whips his binoculars out. So, his dad pulls up, starts classing this thing, trying to check it all out. He said, his dad's looking, looking, and then he drops an F-bomb, the dad, and he said, dude, it freaked me out, because my dad rarely, if ever, cursed, period, and now he's done it. And he's like, what's going on? So, he pulls his rifle up and he looks, you know, he leans back in, gets behind the scope, he starts looking again. He says, now this thing's fully out in the open. He goes, that's when I realized that the front legs don't look like normal front deer legs. What he describes is muscular arms, almost human-like arms, the way it comes down. He said-

Speaker 2:
[44:14] It's walking on two legs?

Speaker 1:
[44:15] No, it's on all fours. But he said, this thing has arms where its front legs should be. Coming down, extremely muscular. He said, like a very powerful built muscle guy in a deer suit. He said, except at the end of the wrists, it's not hands, it's hooves. So in between the shoulder and the wrist are human arms, extremely muscular. So he looks at his dad. He's like, what do you want me to do? And the dad says, you know what? I want you to fire a shot close to it. Just bust some rocks over there. Let's see what it does. He said, I don't want you shooting it in case it's some jackass out here monkeying around, but I want you to just let it a little warning shot. One over the bow, if you will.

Speaker 2:
[45:00] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[45:00] Right. Touch it off. So he's like, okay. He said, I remember asking my dad, why would anybody in their right mind dress as a nice deer? And then during deer season, in the woods up there, he said, his dad goes, man, people do stupid things. And he said, I don't know what's happening. He goes, but his dad was being pretty calm about everything. So he was like, it was kind of helping calm me down. He said, so that's what I do. Boom. Let one fly, right? Bust the rocks. He said, this thing takes off. So they climbed down. They give it a little bit. Him and his dad climbed down. The dad's like, we're going to go see where this thing was. So the dad's got his gun, gets it. They both get down. They head over there. He said it had rained just like the day before. So it's still pretty soft and wet in and around this area. He said, so we could see our own boot tracks real easy. And he said, my dad's hunted his whole life. Good tracker. He's going over. We're going to see where this thing went. We can find where I shot the ground, and there's not a deer track. There's not a sign of anything in this whole area. No sign of it. Nothing. He said, we went to where we thought it stood. Nothing. We went to where we saw it go through the trees when it ran off. Nothing. He said, after that, we spent maybe 45 minutes walking around, looking around in this whole area. We leave out of there. He said, we get back to camp. Dad packs up the truck. We get everything going up that we had left out. Boom. He said, they never really talked about it. Nothing. He said, Dad and I never really spoke about it much after that. That was it. He said, he just kind of treated it as one of those things like, man, I can't believe we saw it. We don't know what it was. That was it. And he goes, we didn't stop hunting that area. We continued to hunt this area for almost 10 years after that. Never had any incident, never had anything strange happen. That was just a one-off. We don't know what it was. That was it. They said nothing really crazy came about it other than seeing that. And all I could think of is, how could you mistaken that at 50 yards?

Speaker 2:
[47:03] Yeah, no, you couldn't. Especially two people saw the same thing.

Speaker 1:
[47:05] And you're pulling up binoculars and a rifle scope at 50. Now, if you were at 800 yards, I might be like, and you're trying to look through a pair of binos, maybe it's only like an 8-power, 10-power binos.

Speaker 2:
[47:16] 50 yards is nothing.

Speaker 1:
[47:17] But 50 yards? Like, dude, that's nothing. Nothing. And so you're looking right at it.

Speaker 2:
[47:25] Yeah. So what is that?

Speaker 1:
[47:26] I don't know. Yeah. What could it possibly be?

Speaker 2:
[47:29] I think it's something demonic, trying to mess with people.

Speaker 1:
[47:33] Man, I don't know. I don't know what it is. I don't know what you could mistake it for. It has to be something along those lines.

Speaker 2:
[47:40] Well, I've got another crazy one.

Speaker 1:
[47:41] Who?

Speaker 2:
[47:42] It says, Hey, fellas, I wanted to share this story because I don't know what I saw.

Speaker 1:
[47:47] Right on.

Speaker 2:
[47:47] This happened in 1975.

Speaker 1:
[47:50] That's a good year.

Speaker 2:
[47:51] I was in school in Idaho at the time. And my girlfriend and I were driving back after a trip. We were headed towards Yellowstone, planning to come in through the Montana East Gate. We were in this little yellow Volkswagen, not exactly the kind of car you want to be in on a mountain road in the middle of the night. But we were young and didn't think too much of it. It was around midnight, maybe a little later. Snow had started falling. Not a full storm, but steady, quiet snow that seemed to swallow the sound. The road was a narrow two-lane, surrounded by tall dark trees on both sides. There was no moon out that night. No other cars, no houses, no lights of any kind. Just our headlights cutting a tunnel through the darkness, and the snow drifting through the beams. I remember thinking how isolated I felt, like we had driven out of the world and into something else entirely. We hadn't seen another car for a very long time. Then I noticed something ahead of us. At first, it didn't even register as a person. It was just a shape in the road, dead center in our lane, moving in the same direction we were. As we got closer, the shape became clearer. And I realized it was a woman walking away from us. Her back turned. That alone didn't make sense. We were miles from anything. In freezing temperatures in the middle of the night, no streetlights, no nearby buildings, just forest and road. I remember saying, do you see that? There's someone out here. Our girlfriend leaned forward a little, trying to make it out through the windshield. We kept getting closer. The details started to come into focus in a way that felt wrong. Not just unusual, but wrong. Her clothes looked old, not just out of fashion, but from another time entirely. A long heavy dress or skirt, something that hung low and moved stiffly as she walked. A shawl was wrapped around her shoulders. Thick boots, the kind with visible studs or nails in them. Hobnail boots, I think they're called. Her hair was long, brown and hung straight down her back, stopping a little below her shoulders. Everything about her looked like it belonged in another century. And yet, there she was, walking down the center of a modern road. I started to slow the car a little. My first thought was that she might be in trouble. Maybe a stranded traveler. Maybe someone hurt or disoriented. It didn't make sense, but it was the only explanation that I felt even remotely human. Then, something else caught my attention, the snow. It was falling all around us. You could see it building up along the edges of the road, collecting on the hood of the car, sticking to the windshield until the wipers pushed it away. But it wasn't touching her. Her hair was completely dry, not damp, not lightly dusted, completely untouched, as if the snow simply didn't exist for her. The shawl on her shoulders showed no sign of moisture, no accumulation, nothing. It was like she was separate from the environment we were in. I felt this sudden, deep sense that something wasn't right. I was just about to roll down the window, maybe call out to her. When my girlfriend grabbed my arm hard enough to hurt, I could still hear her voice. It wasn't just fear, it was panic. The kind that comes from something you don't understand, but knows wrong on a fundamental level. She said, Don't stop, don't even look at her, just go. I asked her what she was talking about. I didn't understand what she was seeing that I wasn't. She shook her head and says, Don't look in the mirror, promise me you won't look in the mirror. I asked why. Then there was a pause. And then she said very quietly, she doesn't have a face.

Speaker 1:
[51:38] Ooh.

Speaker 2:
[51:39] Everything in me went cold. I didn't check, I didn't question it. Something in the way she said it made me believe her instantly. By then, we were right up on her. I eased the car slightly to the right so we wouldn't hit her as we passed. It felt like the longest few seconds of my life. I kept my eyes locked straight ahead, hands tight on the wheel. Every instinct was screaming at me to look, to turn my head just slightly and confirm what my girlfriend had said. But I didn't. We passed her. And for a moment, I had this overwhelming feeling that if I had looked back, she would be standing right behind the car, or worse, right beside my window. So I kept driving. Neither of us spoke for a long time. The silence in the car felt heavy, like something had followed us inside. Eventually we reached the gate, hoping for some kind of normal interaction, something to ground us again. But the ranger there told us the pass was closed due to the snow, and we'd have to turn around. I remember just staring at him for a second, not fully processing what he said. Turn around? Go back the same way? He mentioned that there was a small motel about a half a mile back down the road. Half a mile? Back into the darkness we had just come from? We didn't argue. There wasn't anywhere else to go. The drive back was worse than anything before it. Every stretch of the road felt like a trap. Every shadow between the trees looked like it might move. I kept expecting to see her again. At this time, facing us. We were standing somewhere on the side of the road, just waiting. I drove slower, scanning everything, but also terrified of what I might actually see. The road was empty. No footprints, no figure, nothing. It was as if she had never been there at all. We found the motel you mentioned and got a room. The man behind the desk didn't ask us any questions, and we didn't offer any. I think he could tell something was off, but he left it alone. As soon as we got inside, I locked the door and pushed a chair up against it. It felt like a useless gesture, but I needed something between us and whatever we had seen. Neither of us slept much. Every sound outside made me sit up. And at one point, I thought I heard something moving past the window, slow and deliberate, but I couldn't bring myself to check. We left as soon as it was daylight. Even now, decades later, I still think about that night more than I probably should. I've tried to come up with explanations, a person in a costume, a trick of the light, some kind of shared hallucination, but none of it fits. What bothers me the most isn't just what we saw, it's what my girlfriend saw that I didn't. And sometimes I wonder if I made the right choice by not looking, because not knowing has a way of staying with you. Bob. And we're back with Expanded Perspectives.

Speaker 1:
[55:25] Holy moly, that's creepy.

Speaker 2:
[55:27] Crazy stories.

Speaker 1:
[55:28] Dude, I wouldn't have looked back either.

Speaker 2:
[55:31] They failed to mention if he's still with that girl. Are they still boyfriend and girlfriend? Are they married? Did they move their separate ways? But he didn't look, so he doesn't know.

Speaker 1:
[55:40] What are... Man. First of all, why would anybody be out there just playing around?

Speaker 2:
[55:46] Well, and he mentions the clothing. So I think it was like the spirit or a ghost of somebody. Yeah, because somebody that died on the Oregon Trail back in the day.

Speaker 1:
[55:53] There you go.

Speaker 2:
[55:54] There you go. All kinds of people died up there, man.

Speaker 1:
[55:56] Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[55:57] Can you imagine how rough it was to even make that trip? First of all, you have to come from Europe all the way over to a country that you've never seen a picture of. You just heard tales about.

Speaker 1:
[56:06] Well, like we discussed on what was it in 1883.

Speaker 2:
[56:08] And then if you survive that, you got to even do more. Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 1:
[56:11] Well, let's just always think about that. What you and I discussed is you watch that series 1883 when they take them from Fort Worth and then they run into a tornado. They have never even known what that was. They have no idea. And then like you said, you come from another country. You've never even seen pictures of. All you've ever heard about is this place. And it's the land of opportunity. And you get over here and you have to try to cross rivers. And you're battling natives. And now you've got a freaking tornado coming down on you.

Speaker 2:
[56:39] Think of all the things that they don't know. I mean, they don't know what cactus is.

Speaker 1:
[56:42] Yeah, rattlesnakes.

Speaker 2:
[56:43] Peat trees. Stickers.

Speaker 1:
[56:45] Coyotes. Like, bro, it's just a whole dip. Yeah. So, yeah, there's probably a lot of spirits. Unmarked graves. Just completely litter that whole area, right? Of people passing along that whole thing.

Speaker 2:
[56:58] Yeah, 100 percent.

Speaker 1:
[56:59] It's got to be what it is. It's almost like it's a leftover residue from where they're just constantly. And for all we know, she walks that stretch of road all the time. Speaking of stretch of road, I got a quick one here I wanted to drop on you. It says, this is a story that my dad told me when we were talking about my grandfather. His father and his father's father. So my grandfather and my great grandfather. He said, my grandfather grew up in a very rural area of southern Indiana, but moved to another very rural area of southern Illinois in his youth. So this actually takes place in Illinois. This took place in 1947 or 1948. So it says, one night, my grandpa and his father were all over at his uncle's who lived just a couple miles away. Now, mind you, this is way out in the country in the 40s. So you can imagine there's no light. Most of the road, they even make it a point.

Speaker 2:
[57:53] All the roads are dirt.

Speaker 1:
[57:55] They're all dirt roads, right? Back where they were at. There's no pavement. And no, of course not. So it's late. And I can only imagine the headlights were just bangers back then, too, right?

Speaker 2:
[58:06] Before LEDs and stuff.

Speaker 1:
[58:07] But yeah, just like, what, do you delight lantern? You just light candles and cover them with glatinov, kid. But I mean, like, what were they, 6-volt? Pretty sure they were all 6-volts back then on those vehicles before they went to 12-volt like they are now. So, so they decide to head back. So says they start headed home. No big deal. They get in the old car. He said, we're probably going down these roads, the Grand Edmston, at 15 miles an hour, right? You're driving down this small, wooded path, just gravel roads making your way down. They said, at some point, they're just chatting it up, getting ready to get home. And they pass something on the edge of the road. And this something is standing upright, standing there. Now both of them had grown up hunting, right? The son and his father, they spent all this time in the woods, the whole deal. So they're very familiar with the animals. And they're also familiar with all the locals that live out in this part of the woods and the country where they live. They know all their neighbors, even though they might be a few miles from you. You know them. That's the people in your, you know, you're helping each other with the crops, you're helping each other with anything. That's just the way it always went. So as they pass by, they see something. But neither one of them react to it. They're just, hmm, nothing. Going along, it says finally, the dad, the great-grandpa turns to his son, looks down at him and he said, what the hell was that? And he said, his granddad says, do you want me to turn around? The son, the grandson, or the son at the time was driving, okay, so. And he was like, the grandpa said, no, I don't think you need to. He said, I think you just need to go ahead and keep driving. And the young man driving goes, well, what do you think it was? He said, I know what it was. He said it was an owl. And he said an owl. He goes, yeah, except it was about four foot tall. So we just need to go home. And that's what they did. That was the end of the story. They saw a four foot tall owl. And he goes on to point out that when the dad is telling the story to the son about his dad and his granddad, that that grandfather made it sound as if the great grandfather had seen it before and knew exactly what it was. And that's why he's like, let's just go ahead and head home.

Speaker 2:
[60:23] What is the deal with the giant owls? We've had several times.

Speaker 1:
[60:26] I have no idea.

Speaker 2:
[60:27] Even your own mother.

Speaker 1:
[60:28] Yeah, I have no idea.

Speaker 2:
[60:29] I mean, all jokes aside, we probably reported 10 of these things over the years.

Speaker 1:
[60:32] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[60:33] Who's the guy? Mike Cleland?

Speaker 1:
[60:34] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[60:35] Has a book about it. Not just giant owls, but people, the association with owls and alien abduction. So I wonder if that was a father, son, grandfather. Like, you know, they talk about these alien abductees. It travels the family bloodline.

Speaker 1:
[60:48] I guess it could be. And maybe the great grandpa had added hap and knew it.

Speaker 2:
[60:52] That's right.

Speaker 1:
[60:53] Right. And maybe it hasn't happened to the rest of his family, but who knows? But out there, you think about it. Back in the 40s, in the middle of farmland and in the woods, you're going to see a lot more stuff in the sky. There's no lights. There's no you're not going to have near the first of all, you're not going to see satellites moving around. You're not going to have near the airliners flying around that you have now. Like, you're not going to have near the personal planes and the care flights and military aircraft. You're not going to have near that amount.

Speaker 2:
[61:24] That's one of those thermals, man. I want one of those Trigicon ones. I saw the Texas Trophy.

Speaker 1:
[61:28] I want to look up at the sky. I don't know that you need to do that.

Speaker 2:
[61:32] I'd like to just gaze at the sky.

Speaker 1:
[61:34] I don't know that that's good for your mental health. I don't know that that's going to be a good thing for you.

Speaker 2:
[61:40] Yeah, that's true. Well, if you have any cool stories you'd like to share with Cam and I and the listeners, do not hesitate. You can email the show expandedperspectives.yahoo.com. You can call the hotline 888-393-2783. If you want more Expanded Perspectives, don't forget about Expanded Perspectives Elite. Go to Patreon. You can find us over there. And don't forget about the Glimmer Man Book. You can get them on Amazon. If you want signed copy, you have to message us and we can get that out to you. Let's not forget about our wonderful sponsor, Iqbar. Right now, Iqbar is offering our special podcast listeners 20% off all Iqbar products, including the Ultimate Sampler Pack plus free shipping. All you have to do to get your 20% off is text the word Expanded, E-X-P-A-N-D-E-D. And you text that to the number 64000. 64,000, zero zero zero, folks.

Speaker 1:
[62:30] That's right.

Speaker 2:
[62:30] And you'll get hooked up. Cam, I'm going to the coast. What do you got going on?

Speaker 1:
[62:36] I don't know. Staying out of trouble, I hope. I think my family goes out of town next week just for a few days. My wife and my daughter.

Speaker 2:
[62:42] There you go.

Speaker 1:
[62:43] She's just going to swing by. My daughter just stops by here like a hotel from time to time. Like I said last time, you know, she just works all the time.

Speaker 2:
[62:49] Bakes some cookies and then that is out.

Speaker 1:
[62:50] That's what she does. I'm going to try to get her to bake some sourdough bread before she leaves. Bakes some and then I froze it. So I've been going through that. So that's it. But yeah, I don't have anything big pressing other than I'm trying to shoot those pigs and trying to kill a turkey. That's pretty much it.

Speaker 2:
[63:05] And I hope you get one.

Speaker 1:
[63:06] I'm trying, but they're not the weather. First of all, with all the rain, it's been a bit of a trouble trying to get out there and all that time of year. And then the pigs are just not cooperating. Coming in only when it's dark, coming in in the dark. Now, I've got the pig light. I've just not put it back up out there. But maybe this weekend, it's time to bring it back to the forefront and get it set up so I can.

Speaker 2:
[63:25] Use the Slow Glow if people don't know what that is. Look it up, Slow Glow Pig Light.

Speaker 1:
[63:30] It is so great.

Speaker 2:
[63:31] They work awesome.

Speaker 1:
[63:32] It is so great.

Speaker 2:
[63:32] Hopefully, you get one and I'm going to the coast to do some fishing and I can come back and we can have some surf and turf.

Speaker 1:
[63:36] Let's do that, yes. We're gonna do surf and turf. Because I wanna make like brats. I wanna make wild hog brats. I've never done it. We've messed around doing everything else, but I've never made like sausage links or hot links. And I've got everything to do it. I've just never done it. So if I get one, that's pretty much what I'm gonna go. I think I'm gonna run it through the smoker. Then I'll probably do a little grind and, you know, do a lot of preview.

Speaker 2:
[63:59] When it comes to like breakfast sausage, you like the links or do you like the circles?

Speaker 1:
[64:02] I like the links.

Speaker 2:
[64:03] I do too.

Speaker 1:
[64:04] I like the links. My wife likes any of it. She loves breakfast sausage. I like just the links. I don't know what it is about. I don't know. I don't know what the difference is.

Speaker 2:
[64:13] The texture is different.

Speaker 1:
[64:14] I guess so, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[64:16] All right, folks. That's Sausage Talk. That's all we have for this week. I hope everybody has a good one. Till next time.

Speaker 1:
[64:22] That's the new name of the podcast, y'all. Next week's episode is going to be called Pencils and Sausage.

Speaker 2:
[64:27] If you want to help us out and you want to write us a review in the review, tell us what kind of pencil and what kind of sausage you like.

Speaker 1:
[64:32] That's right. That's right. You round sausage or you straight sausage? Kyle's a straight sausage.

Speaker 2:
[64:38] All right, folks. Till next time. I'm Kyle. He's Cam.

Speaker 1:
[64:41] Peace, y'all.