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Speaker 1:
[00:05] Welcome to our really fun episode of TFL Talking Trucks, because I have a guest.

Speaker 2:
[00:11] Me.

Speaker 1:
[00:11] Which is Jen.

Speaker 2:
[00:12] I'm Jen.

Speaker 1:
[00:13] Hi, Jen. Well, you're actually not a guest, per se, because you're my colleague, co-worker. We do many different videos and tests together and stories. But you're here because we're trying something a little bit different.

Speaker 2:
[00:27] Yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 1:
[00:27] We're doing not so much talking trucks, TFL Talking Trucks, but truck-ish.

Speaker 2:
[00:33] Ish, you know.

Speaker 1:
[00:34] Yes. And this is because last week I listened to the Car-ish episode.

Speaker 2:
[00:40] Thank you.

Speaker 1:
[00:40] And I loved it.

Speaker 2:
[00:41] Thank you.

Speaker 1:
[00:42] It was really fun. It was Tommy, Case, and you. Unfortunately, Mary, she's not working at TFL anymore.

Speaker 2:
[00:49] She's not with us anymore.

Speaker 1:
[00:51] She's working somewhere else.

Speaker 2:
[00:52] Rest in peace.

Speaker 1:
[00:53] No, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2:
[00:55] She needs lots of sleep.

Speaker 1:
[00:56] No, she's alive and well. But I figured because there's a lot of travel going on, you know how it is.

Speaker 2:
[01:04] Oh my gosh, everyone's gone lately.

Speaker 1:
[01:05] Yes, everybody's gone. I just came back from vacation actually.

Speaker 2:
[01:09] Where did you go?

Speaker 1:
[01:09] I had a miniature vacation in Yellowstone.

Speaker 2:
[01:12] Oh, I've never gone.

Speaker 1:
[01:14] The Yellowstone.

Speaker 2:
[01:15] The Yellowstone.

Speaker 1:
[01:16] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[01:16] Okay, that's awesome.

Speaker 1:
[01:17] Yes. So we'll talk about that. Look at my wonderful family.

Speaker 2:
[01:21] Oh my gosh, how beautiful.

Speaker 1:
[01:23] And we smelled a lot of sulfur.

Speaker 2:
[01:25] Oh yeah.

Speaker 1:
[01:26] You know, the geysers and everything else. So that's coming up. But I wanted to start this show a little bit more serious note.

Speaker 2:
[01:35] Serious note.

Speaker 1:
[01:35] Not so much fun. I mean, we love having fun. But the serious note is that Ford dropped some big news last week.

Speaker 2:
[01:44] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[01:44] Just a few days ago.

Speaker 2:
[01:45] I heard that they're talking about bringing out not one, not two, not three, but four new trucks in the next two and a half years.

Speaker 1:
[01:56] Yes. I wrote a story about this on tfltruck.com, but I could not not talk about it.

Speaker 2:
[02:02] No, this is big news.

Speaker 1:
[02:04] Yes. But it was a little bit under radar, because every corporation, every company puts out press releases almost every day.

Speaker 2:
[02:13] Of course.

Speaker 1:
[02:15] Ford has a site they call, I think they call it From the Road. So it's a little bit not traditional. It's not a traditional media site. It's like fordnews.com. It's From the Road. So From the Road, they said, and there's a quote here, that they are announcing a new team and a plan, and they're calling it a massive portfolio renewal.

Speaker 2:
[02:40] Whoa.

Speaker 1:
[02:41] Which is what it sounds like.

Speaker 2:
[02:42] Yeah. I mean, pretty much getting all new trucks within the next two and a half years.

Speaker 1:
[02:46] Let me just, just seriously speaking, let me read this quote just really quick. Ford says, by 2029, Ford will refresh 80% of its North American portfolio by volume and 70% of its global portfolio by volume. This includes the first vehicle on the Universal Electric Vehicle Platform, UEV, a mid-size pickup truck, and the next-generation F-150 and F-series Super Duty.

Speaker 2:
[03:17] Whoa. Those are the big boys for Ford.

Speaker 1:
[03:20] Yes. I mean, by volume, that's most of their volume.

Speaker 2:
[03:24] Exactly.

Speaker 1:
[03:24] I mean, that's what they're saying, 80%.

Speaker 2:
[03:26] Wow. This is a big change.

Speaker 1:
[03:28] So, yeah, and that kind of makes sense because I think the F-150 is a little bit overdue on its refresh or next generation.

Speaker 2:
[03:37] Redo, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[03:39] But then there's also this. I wanted to ask you what you thought about this rendering that I made based on some sketches from Ford. This is supposed to be a hint. This is not what their electric truck looks like, but this is supposed to be a hint of what it could look like.

Speaker 2:
[03:56] Okay, so I've got something good to say and something bad to say.

Speaker 1:
[04:00] Okay, lay it on me.

Speaker 2:
[04:02] The good thing is I'm really happy this isn't what it is.

Speaker 1:
[04:05] What is it?

Speaker 2:
[04:05] Because the bad news is it looks terrible.

Speaker 1:
[04:09] You don't like this?

Speaker 2:
[04:10] I think it's just...

Speaker 1:
[04:12] It's a little bulbous.

Speaker 2:
[04:14] It's a lot bulbous. It's bubbly, dare I say. No, it's a little much. And then I know a lot of the trucks, especially EVs, are going for that kind of slanted tailgate. But just as we experienced with the Grenadier today, that isn't always the greatest, especially when you're trying to reach over the side, you just can't.

Speaker 1:
[04:36] Exactly. So kind of limits some of the usability of the truck.

Speaker 2:
[04:39] Yeah, I know it's for aerodynamics, but I don't like this.

Speaker 1:
[04:42] Yeah, so if you're joining us on, just listening to us, we're kind of looking at the rendering of a pickup truck that doesn't look traditional. It's a little bit more cap forward. So the cap is a little bit more towards the front axle. This has a very short hood area. There is no engine obviously, because it would be electric. I'm talking about, they called it several months ago, they came out with this news and they called it their Model T Moment, which is supposed to be their very big push to create an affordable electric vehicle, not a $100,000 one, but a $30,000 vehicle. Well, and like you said, it's supposed to be very aerodynamic, which but it also has to look good.

Speaker 2:
[05:27] I mean, yeah. I don't know, this doesn't even look like a truck. This looks like more of just kind of a car that's trying to be a truck. This doesn't look like that traditional type of profile.

Speaker 1:
[05:42] So we'll have to judge it when we actually see it.

Speaker 2:
[05:44] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[05:45] Right. So this was just a hint of what's happening. So we also currently live. So on our Patreon page, patreon.com/tflcar is our only page of the TFL Studios that we have. So you could join us, you could support us, you'll get some. So Gavin is one of our managers of our Patreon page. He does a great job. He uploads videos before they're published on YouTube.

Speaker 2:
[06:11] Yes. Thank you, Gavin.

Speaker 1:
[06:12] Yeah. So if you are a member, if you support us there, you can get some early looks at what we're doing.

Speaker 2:
[06:18] Sometimes some extras that we don't normally show.

Speaker 1:
[06:22] Exactly. One of those extras we'll talk about later is, we have a long-term Ineos Grenadier Quartermaster that you're referring to.

Speaker 2:
[06:30] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[06:31] So that's a fun vehicle. But I really want to get back to Ford, just another minute or two, the Ford News. Which is, so we know the electric thing is happening, right? And I listened to a lot of statements that Ford put out about the electric platform. I was very just curious. Well, we're curious about all vehicles here, right? So I really wanted to know a lot about it. They said it's coming sometime in the middle of 2027. So I'm guessing that's going to be summer.

Speaker 2:
[07:05] Yeah, next year.

Speaker 1:
[07:07] So within the next year plus a little bit, we should see not just vehicles, but actually production and sale. So that's the way I understood it.

Speaker 2:
[07:17] So even before that, we really should see a look at what it's going to look like.

Speaker 1:
[07:21] Yeah, exactly. So if that rendering is just horrible for a lot of people, because our producer Cole was also not a huge fan.

Speaker 2:
[07:29] He looked sad.

Speaker 1:
[07:30] He does look very sad.

Speaker 2:
[07:31] He did look sad.

Speaker 1:
[07:34] So let's not judge that by that. But let's judge it by is it's supposed to be affordable, it's supposed to be really super efficient, aerodynamic. It's supposed to be a mid-sized truck, which means it's supposed to compete against the likes of the Tacomas out there, which means it could tow a decent amount, it could have some payload, could have a really clever bed solution. So it could have a lot of things. So that's coming within about a year. Now, GM is really big on their Silverado and Sierra trucks. And we know they're coming this year with 2027 models. So that's kind of what I wrote in my story. So, of course, Ford cannot just sit out and wait.

Speaker 2:
[08:20] They have to be part of this.

Speaker 1:
[08:21] Yeah, they have to be part of it. So GMCO, Mary Barra, she said, we will see those trucks this year.

Speaker 2:
[08:31] That's exciting.

Speaker 1:
[08:31] So, 2027 miles. So, new V8 engines, we talked about it in previous shows. So that to me means that F-150 will not be far away.

Speaker 2:
[08:42] No, they can't be. They have to be in line with this competition.

Speaker 1:
[08:46] So unfortunately for Ford, there was a big fire at one of their plants, aluminum plants that produces aluminum for their truck bodies and construction. And so they had a bit of a slowdown in their production and some sales. They lost some sales in the first quarter. We did a story about this already. Gosh, so...

Speaker 2:
[09:08] That was rough.

Speaker 1:
[09:09] So they need every help they can get, really.

Speaker 2:
[09:12] Yeah, so let's hope that whatever they are going to be producing is going to be well liked, otherwise this race is going to be over before it starts.

Speaker 1:
[09:19] So then Super Duty. So there's an image all of a sudden in this post. If you scroll a tiny bit, this was an image from Ford. You could see Jim Farley right there in the middle, hanging out and looking at some new stuff at their facility. So I labeled this image 2027 Super Duty, but I was wrong because this was many months ago. And for 2027, the Super Duty will, it appears it's going to stay mostly the same.

Speaker 2:
[09:51] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[09:52] So I was wrong in my estimation there. But look at this, they're looking at the new interior. They're looking at a lot of new things. So I'm betting, since they said by 2029, it could also be all new, that we'll see it maybe in 2028?

Speaker 2:
[10:09] Yeah, I mean, maybe that's not too far away. So, okay, so not a full refresh for 27 for Super Duty, but possibly not too far along.

Speaker 1:
[10:18] Yeah, and the huge news, of course, about Super Duty trucks and heavy duty in general is that there was a lot of rumor about, like, larger displacement diesels. There's supposed to be an 8-liter power stroke, 8 liters.

Speaker 2:
[10:31] 8 liters?

Speaker 1:
[10:32] Not 7, 3, not 6, 7, but 8, because bigger is better.

Speaker 2:
[10:37] Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1:
[10:40] So, there's a lot of rumors about different emission systems, bigger diesels. So Ford didn't announce anything yet.

Speaker 2:
[10:45] Okay, all right, so.

Speaker 1:
[10:48] And also, they mentioned the midsize truck. I'm assuming it's a Ranger.

Speaker 2:
[10:51] I would assume. I mean, I can't imagine they're going to add another midsize truck to their lineup.

Speaker 1:
[10:55] Yeah, so there may be some confusion. Maybe that Ranger, the midsize truck they talked about was electric, or maybe it's in addition to. But the Ranger was refreshed in 2024. So by 2029, it will need something.

Speaker 2:
[11:08] It's got to have something.

Speaker 1:
[11:09] Yeah, so to keep it more competitive and more fresh. So that's coming up pretty soon as well. So that means that the next two to three years are going to be hecka exciting. Can I say that?

Speaker 2:
[11:25] I think so.

Speaker 1:
[11:26] Hella?

Speaker 2:
[11:26] I think so.

Speaker 1:
[11:27] Hella exciting? Hella exciting?

Speaker 2:
[11:31] Yeah, that's going to be great.

Speaker 1:
[11:32] So that's going to be huge. Now I wanted to ask you a question.

Speaker 2:
[11:39] Me?

Speaker 1:
[11:40] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[11:40] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[11:41] Because I know you've had several vehicles in your fleet over the years.

Speaker 2:
[11:47] Yes, I have.

Speaker 1:
[11:48] A lot of them were very sporty, I would say.

Speaker 2:
[11:52] For the most part.

Speaker 1:
[11:52] Very sporty cars.

Speaker 2:
[11:53] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[11:54] Most recently, you had a BMW 3 Series.

Speaker 2:
[11:56] My 335, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[11:57] Yes. Then you currently, you actually bought a Disco 5.

Speaker 2:
[12:01] I did.

Speaker 1:
[12:02] From Land Rover, from the company.

Speaker 2:
[12:04] I did.

Speaker 1:
[12:05] So that was cool. But have you ever owned or thought about owning a pickup truck?

Speaker 2:
[12:09] Oh, Andre. I have wanted this one truck since I was maybe nine years old.

Speaker 1:
[12:16] How come? You just, it's appeared and you saw it somehow?

Speaker 2:
[12:21] Yeah, it's difficult to get and it's not a great daily, especially when you grow up in the Midwest. But I have wanted a 1972 C10. For like ever.

Speaker 1:
[12:31] A Chevy C10.

Speaker 2:
[12:33] Yes. I have wanted one forever. Oh, just look how beautiful that is.

Speaker 1:
[12:38] Which color or just strictly like a two-wheel drive, little, not an off-roader, not a big giant K10.

Speaker 2:
[12:46] No, no, no. I'm talking not low necessarily.

Speaker 1:
[12:50] Not super low.

Speaker 2:
[12:51] But I'm not talking about an off-roader by any means.

Speaker 1:
[12:54] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[12:55] White, silver, black, the blue. Really, all of the colors are amazing. Get that 402 cubic inch, 300 horsepower.

Speaker 1:
[13:05] Back in the day, from back in the day.

Speaker 2:
[13:07] And then, you know, they came with like a three or four-speed manual. So that is something I'd like to update and do like a five or six-speed manual. That would be pretty cool. But that is-

Speaker 1:
[13:16] So three pedals.

Speaker 2:
[13:17] That, three pedals are always more fun.

Speaker 1:
[13:19] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[13:19] But that has been a truck I have dreamt about since I was a wee child.

Speaker 1:
[13:23] So it never just materialized. So you never were able to-

Speaker 2:
[13:27] I always got something that was more practical and therefore more boring. But I think-

Speaker 1:
[13:34] But not that some of the other cars you had were more boring.

Speaker 2:
[13:37] No. Like, okay. So my first car was a 1984 190E, and that was a little five-speed manual.

Speaker 1:
[13:44] Okay. Maybe not the most exciting car in the world.

Speaker 2:
[13:46] No. But you know what?

Speaker 1:
[13:48] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[13:48] That thing was awesome. But I don't think I realized how awesome it was when I had it, because those things have blown up now.

Speaker 1:
[13:57] Because if you kept it-

Speaker 2:
[13:58] Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1:
[13:59] That could have been something special.

Speaker 2:
[14:00] Oh my gosh. It could have been something so, so special.

Speaker 1:
[14:03] Single wiper, right?

Speaker 2:
[14:04] One big wiper. Oh yeah. When I went to the Nurburgring for the 24-hour race last year, they were everywhere. I just had a little tear every time of what could have been. Oh yeah. But that was probably my favorite.

Speaker 1:
[14:17] Okay. What's next? What came after the Mercedes?

Speaker 2:
[14:21] Then I had to get just a normal car. I think I had a Malibu.

Speaker 1:
[14:25] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[14:26] That was boring. But then I got a 2012 the Buick Regal GS. That was a six-speed manual.

Speaker 1:
[14:34] Okay. That's a little bit more fun.

Speaker 2:
[14:36] That was a little fun.

Speaker 1:
[14:36] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[14:37] At one point, I had a 97 Cobra manual. I had a C5 manual. So some fun cars. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[14:47] But that truck that C10 kind of got away still.

Speaker 2:
[14:51] It's the girl that got away.

Speaker 1:
[14:52] But hey, it could be in the future.

Speaker 2:
[14:54] She's still in the future.

Speaker 1:
[14:55] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[14:55] It's coming.

Speaker 1:
[14:56] You know what would happen, I'm afraid, is that you and Case, you and Case will have to fight. I think the C10-

Speaker 2:
[15:05] Oh, I don't want Case to lose to me.

Speaker 1:
[15:06] I think the C10... That era C10, 1972 or 71 maybe, is one of his favorite eras of truck.

Speaker 2:
[15:18] Well, I liked it before he was born probably. So I'm going to say I liked it longer than he has.

Speaker 1:
[15:25] He's not here, of course.

Speaker 2:
[15:27] We're just going off of age.

Speaker 1:
[15:28] He's not here, of course. Yes. But anyway, if there was a day, we're here at the studio. I just came in one morning, just regular business.

Speaker 2:
[15:39] Of course.

Speaker 1:
[15:39] And you pulled up on the C10 and then Case pulled up on another C10. That would be a sight.

Speaker 2:
[15:45] I have the goose bumps.

Speaker 1:
[15:46] That would be a sight for the ages. I would get my phone out, cameras out. That would be insane.

Speaker 2:
[15:52] That would be incredible. And those are the trucks where going slow and feeling that low lope, like it's about to die, that is my dream. It's not about high speeds. It's not about how fast you can go.

Speaker 1:
[16:05] It's not about jumping hills and stuff.

Speaker 2:
[16:07] No, it's about just the engine practically shaking you.

Speaker 1:
[16:11] A cruiser.

Speaker 2:
[16:12] A cruiser. True and true.

Speaker 1:
[16:15] All right, so maybe that's still in the cards for sure. So like I was mentioning, just switching gears just a little bit. Yep, there you go. We switched it. So I went to Yellowstone. So this wasn't my first trip to Yellowstone.

Speaker 2:
[16:32] Oh, okay.

Speaker 1:
[16:33] I'm not bragging.

Speaker 2:
[16:35] Wow, sick flex, Andre.

Speaker 1:
[16:37] Actually, can I show, there's a bison. Can you show a buffalo? Yes. So I learned something. So first of all, it was a small family reunion for my family. It was my mom's birthday. So my sister flew in from New York City with her boyfriend. It was amazing. My son was there. Really the person we were missing was my daughter. She had a volleyball tournament. So unfortunately, she wasn't able to make it. But she also prefers driving because she gets a little bit nauseous while being a passenger in a car. That's an issue for her. But we rented one of the best vehicles of all time.

Speaker 2:
[17:18] Shed some light. What did you rent?

Speaker 1:
[17:19] Yes. We rented a new Chrysler Pacifica.

Speaker 2:
[17:24] I was not expecting you to say that. The big truck man.

Speaker 1:
[17:29] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[17:29] So what did you like about it?

Speaker 1:
[17:30] There comes a time in every trucker's life where they need to put seven of their family in one vehicle.

Speaker 2:
[17:39] That's fair. That's a fair point.

Speaker 1:
[17:41] And actually go for a drive. Okay. I'm a little bit making fun of this. But nonetheless, it was actually super useful. It looked almost identical to this. It was red.

Speaker 2:
[17:53] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[17:54] So that was really, you know, sometimes you get a boring car like gray, silver, gosh, whatever. But it was red. So I knew it was an omen. I knew something good was going to happen.

Speaker 2:
[18:05] This is going to be good.

Speaker 1:
[18:06] We flew into Bozeman, which is by itself an amazing city.

Speaker 2:
[18:10] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[18:11] Bozeman, Montana. A lot of our friends and people we work with are there. You know, AEV is from there.

Speaker 2:
[18:19] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[18:20] GFC Campers, Acela Truck. I mean, ex-Overland team is based out there near Bozeman. A lot of just fun Overland type people.

Speaker 2:
[18:32] Which makes sense.

Speaker 1:
[18:33] Or trucky people, camping people are there. So it's a beautiful city, small, nice airport. So we put in, like I said, there was a lot of us in one vehicle. Actually, we met at this Airbnb and then we took the van everywhere, all over Yellowstone. 600 miles we put on in three and a half days.

Speaker 2:
[18:55] Dang.

Speaker 1:
[18:56] So that's a lot of driving. It's a big country.

Speaker 2:
[18:59] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[18:59] Big country. Cole, I gave Cole a little snippet of my dashboard because I wanted to show my efficiency.

Speaker 2:
[19:10] Does that say 28?

Speaker 1:
[19:12] 28.8. Why is it so bad quality? What is wrong with me? Don't I do this professionally?

Speaker 2:
[19:22] Well, not while driving. Okay.

Speaker 1:
[19:24] No, this wasn't driving. I was parked at the rental place when we returned. We did 590 something miles and there's another clip, 29. So one of them showed 29.1, also out of focus. Oh, my God.

Speaker 2:
[19:41] Well, we get the picture, kind of, but-

Speaker 1:
[19:44] We don't get the picture. Anyways-

Speaker 2:
[19:47] That's fantastic, though.

Speaker 1:
[19:48] Can you imagine? We drove all the way up and down these hills and mountains around Yellowstone on the west side. So we're basically on the west side of the park and something like 29 MPG in the very end. So it's a very- But you know the downside is, it's about three inches off the ground.

Speaker 2:
[20:08] Oh, yeah. There's not a lot of ground clearance on a Pacifica.

Speaker 1:
[20:12] No. Especially when you put seven folks on there.

Speaker 2:
[20:14] There's even less.

Speaker 1:
[20:15] It goes lower. Anyways, but everybody was comfortable. Like I said, we spent our transiting between geysers and stuff like that.

Speaker 2:
[20:28] Do you see any actually go off?

Speaker 1:
[20:29] Yes, Old Faithful, of course, because it's the most reliable thing to see. This is a picture not of Old Faithful, but they have these hot swimming pools everywhere. You're not supposed to swim in them.

Speaker 2:
[20:44] Yeah, I'm pretty sure you don't swim in them.

Speaker 1:
[20:46] So first of all, the color comes from bacteria. So a lot of bacteria like the hot water and the minerals. So first of all, anyway, you're not supposed to touch the bacteria, you're not supposed to touch any of this. It's a protected national park.

Speaker 2:
[21:00] Yeah, as it should be.

Speaker 1:
[21:01] So please don't swim in the geysers, okay?

Speaker 2:
[21:03] Don't swim there.

Speaker 1:
[21:04] Also, they could boil you alive.

Speaker 2:
[21:07] Oh yeah, not to mention, it's not good for you either. So just don't.

Speaker 1:
[21:12] So, yeah, everybody made fun of me. Why did you rent the Pacifica, yada, yada, yada?

Speaker 2:
[21:20] What, you're supposed to rent a truck and put everyone in the bed?

Speaker 1:
[21:23] Well, yeah, exactly. But the other vehicle that's really popular is like a Tahoe, right? You go into the rental place, it's full of suburbans, there's a suburbain everywhere, there's also a jeep Grand Wagoneer, there was stacked up like, I don't know, four deep in this place. But here's the thing, Pacifica is way cheaper to rent.

Speaker 2:
[21:43] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[21:43] And it was also 29 MPG.

Speaker 2:
[21:45] Yeah, I was gonna say, you're not gonna get 29 with a suburbain or a Tahoe.

Speaker 1:
[21:48] No, no. At the best, you might get 20 in one of those beasts.

Speaker 2:
[21:51] Yeah, but with seven people, with it fully loaded, I don't know, that was even hard to get.

Speaker 1:
[21:55] So I think a minivan is still one of the key people in the movers, I think, all the time.

Speaker 2:
[22:02] I have a friend that, he sports a Toyota Sienna. And they had their daughter two weeks after I did, so they've got a little six-month-old baby. But he has actually had this minivan for years, way before he became a dad. And he will fight tooth and nail to tell you that it's the best car out there for...

Speaker 1:
[22:25] Now, that's a confident man.

Speaker 2:
[22:27] It is a confident man. So, you know, he plays softball, so he can fit all his softball bags. Golfing, if he goes tailgating, he can fit all these people. And he will fight tooth and nail to let you know that it's the best car out there. And I think that's pretty funny.

Speaker 1:
[22:41] You know, my son, he's not super huge into vehicles. And he was sitting right behind me in the second row. He's a pretty tall dude now. And he said, hey, dad, I think a sliding door makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 2:
[22:54] It does.

Speaker 1:
[22:55] I was like, what?

Speaker 2:
[22:57] But it does. You can't argue with it.

Speaker 1:
[22:59] It does. You park and the door opens wide.

Speaker 2:
[23:02] I know.

Speaker 1:
[23:02] And you could still have lots of space next to you.

Speaker 2:
[23:05] Listen, Andre, I'm on the same page as you because...

Speaker 1:
[23:08] I don't have to convince you of this?

Speaker 2:
[23:09] I now also have a daughter. I have to deal with the car seat and everything. And I chose to go with the Disco 5, which is not necessarily a minivan. But I see how nice it would be.

Speaker 1:
[23:23] But you can slam your Disco 5 down on that air suspension, though.

Speaker 2:
[23:27] I can. It's pretty sweet.

Speaker 1:
[23:29] Or you could lift it up.

Speaker 2:
[23:30] I can.

Speaker 1:
[23:31] You could lift it up.

Speaker 2:
[23:31] I mean, quite a bit of ground clearance. But yeah, no, I get it. It's super helpful, but it's hard to pull the trigger because I don't know why, but minivans always kind of have this...

Speaker 1:
[23:41] Stigma about it.

Speaker 2:
[23:42] The stigma that you just kind of gave up your life and now it's over. But maybe it doesn't have to be that bad.

Speaker 1:
[23:51] That's why the best garage has multiple vehicles in it.

Speaker 2:
[23:55] Yeah. Usually one is a stacked up minivan. Right? No.

Speaker 1:
[24:01] Lowered minivan. By the way, Sienna you can get as a normal drive, also as a hybrid.

Speaker 2:
[24:07] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[24:08] So all the good things.

Speaker 2:
[24:09] Right.

Speaker 1:
[24:10] All the good thing. I'm looking at my phone because I'm sorry, I'm spending so much time on Yellowstone. But I saw something that could be a once in a lifetime period.

Speaker 2:
[24:22] Really?

Speaker 1:
[24:23] Yeah. Cole, I'm going to send you this to you. My dad actually was able to capture this on camera. We went to, let's see, we went to Old Faithful, Chrysler, which goes off approximately every hour.

Speaker 2:
[24:40] Cool.

Speaker 1:
[24:41] Plus or minus, gosh, 20 minutes in either way. So we knew that it's about to go off, and it started to go off on time. It was like 12:05 PM, lunchtime, almost noon. Out of the corner of my eye, I see a meteor, a shooting star, a huge one go across the sky.

Speaker 2:
[25:07] No way.

Speaker 1:
[25:07] Yes. This is a still image that my dad was able to capture, because as dumb as I am, I was filming it with the geyser with my phone for about 60 or 70 seconds, and I got tired of it.

Speaker 2:
[25:20] Yeah, you're like, all right, I get it.

Speaker 1:
[25:21] It's spewing water, it's great.

Speaker 2:
[25:24] We got it.

Speaker 1:
[25:24] We got it. So I clicked, stop recording, and then I see this meteor go across.

Speaker 2:
[25:30] Okay, but how could you have known that that would have happened?

Speaker 1:
[25:34] No, I mean, that's once in a lifetime thing.

Speaker 2:
[25:37] Wow.

Speaker 1:
[25:37] Because first of all, to see a meteor during daytime.

Speaker 2:
[25:40] Unheard of.

Speaker 1:
[25:41] Because it has to be large enough to start burning and making a huge tail.

Speaker 2:
[25:46] Fireball, you know?

Speaker 1:
[25:47] Fireball, basically, in the sky. So, and then I thought I was hallucinating.

Speaker 2:
[25:52] Well, you know.

Speaker 1:
[25:54] So I asked my wife, my wife, Samantha, she was near me, and I said, Sam, did you see that? And she said, see what? And she didn't see it. Maybe she looked away for just a moment.

Speaker 2:
[26:04] Okay, let's hope.

Speaker 1:
[26:06] And then this other lady who we've never met, you know, just another tourist that was there, she said, I did see it.

Speaker 2:
[26:13] Oh.

Speaker 1:
[26:14] I'm like, see? I wasn't hallucinating.

Speaker 2:
[26:16] But your dad saw it too.

Speaker 1:
[26:17] And my dad, well, he didn't see it, but he was just clicking his camera.

Speaker 2:
[26:20] No, so he took a picture of this?

Speaker 1:
[26:22] This is a random image. Shut up. Yes.

Speaker 2:
[26:25] Wow. That's cool. That's really, really cool.

Speaker 1:
[26:28] He was just, he had a fast shutter.

Speaker 2:
[26:30] That's even cooler.

Speaker 1:
[26:31] He was like taking like 20 pictures.

Speaker 2:
[26:33] When did he realize, did he realize in the moment that he had captured it?

Speaker 1:
[26:37] No, so I said, Dad, did you see it? He said, no, I didn't see it. But he said, but I kept taking pictures. That's what he said. So he had to go home to just look through some images and he finally found it.

Speaker 2:
[26:50] That's even cooler. Wow, that is, I would say that's once in a lifetime.

Speaker 1:
[26:53] So I'm not crazy and it did happen. And I think they're very rare during an eruption of a geyser.

Speaker 2:
[27:02] Yeah, that's pretty spectacular.

Speaker 1:
[27:04] So I think, so what could it be? Do you think it could be aliens or a spacecraft like one of ours?

Speaker 2:
[27:13] I mean, I was going to say, is that the Artemis II returning? No, that already happened before that.

Speaker 1:
[27:21] That already happened before that. So, no, but I think it is a meteor, because there's like an April meteor shower happening right now.

Speaker 2:
[27:30] Have you ever seen like a real meteor shower before? A bunch happening at the same time?

Speaker 1:
[27:34] Yeah, but like they're usually like one a minute. You see one and you wait a few seconds and you see another one.

Speaker 2:
[27:41] How cool.

Speaker 1:
[27:42] Very cool.

Speaker 2:
[27:42] Spaceman.

Speaker 1:
[27:43] It's happening right now. So at midnight tonight, everybody should go outside and you could see some meteors.

Speaker 2:
[27:51] It's tonight?

Speaker 1:
[27:52] It's happening for several days.

Speaker 2:
[27:54] Oh, okay. Well, my daughter doesn't let me sleep anymore, so I'm sure I'll be awake.

Speaker 1:
[27:58] So when your daughter is not sleeping, you could do that.

Speaker 2:
[28:02] Thanks, Maddie.

Speaker 1:
[28:02] All right, let's switch gears again. Are you ready? Okay, enough about Yellowstone. Ineos Grenadier Quartermaster.

Speaker 2:
[28:09] Wow. What a truck.

Speaker 1:
[28:11] It's a long name.

Speaker 2:
[28:12] It is, but not a long wheelbase. So that's interesting.

Speaker 1:
[28:17] So you and I just did a video introducing it. So thank you to Ineos. We're having it for actually, did you say six weeks?

Speaker 2:
[28:25] That's what I heard. Yeah, that's what I heard.

Speaker 1:
[28:27] Sounds right.

Speaker 2:
[28:27] Yeah, that's pretty awesome because we can do a lot of stuff, a lot of testing, a lot of comparisons over six weeks.

Speaker 1:
[28:33] We often get loan vehicles for like a week. Sometimes, if it's a pickup truck, sometimes we get two weeks with it because we need to do a towing test. We do several different things. But sometimes, if we have it just right, and Zach was instrumental. I mean, Zach was working with INEOS. Thank you to Zach. Thank you to our office manager, Zach, for this. He's been working really hard with INEOS, and we agreed on a longer-term loan so we can do many things.

Speaker 2:
[29:02] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[29:03] Towing trailers, going off-road, comparing it to other vehicles.

Speaker 2:
[29:07] Yeah, I think this is going to be awesome because I would really like to compare this to our Defender.

Speaker 1:
[29:12] We have a Defender 130, something that this is kind of based on.

Speaker 2:
[29:16] Exactly. I just wish we had a G-Wagon because I'd like to compare it against that too.

Speaker 1:
[29:20] Here's a message to our listeners. If you have a G-Wagon in Boulder, Colorado, but they don't make pickup trucks. But they made like six by sixes.

Speaker 2:
[29:31] That's true.

Speaker 1:
[29:32] Oh, wait.

Speaker 2:
[29:32] That's true.

Speaker 1:
[29:33] I know somebody with a six by six G-Wagon.

Speaker 2:
[29:36] Andre, let's get on this.

Speaker 1:
[29:38] Why didn't I think about that sooner?

Speaker 2:
[29:39] We need to make a call.

Speaker 1:
[29:42] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[29:42] Oh, wow. Okay.

Speaker 1:
[29:43] I'm looking at Cole, our producer.

Speaker 2:
[29:45] Cole, make the call right now.

Speaker 1:
[29:47] He doesn't have a phone number.

Speaker 2:
[29:48] Okay. Well, that would be a wonderful comparison.

Speaker 1:
[29:50] But we also have a Gladiator Jeep.

Speaker 2:
[29:54] Oh, even better.

Speaker 1:
[29:55] I mean, also at the same time.

Speaker 2:
[29:57] So it's weird because you think a Gladiator and this Grenadier are essentially within the same area.

Speaker 1:
[30:03] Class.

Speaker 2:
[30:03] Right?

Speaker 1:
[30:04] Same class.

Speaker 2:
[30:05] But this, from just the looks of it, looks so much bigger than a Gladiator.

Speaker 1:
[30:10] It looks huge.

Speaker 2:
[30:10] It does. It does look huge. Maybe it's just because it's super tall and super upright boxy.

Speaker 1:
[30:17] Yeah, look at the size of that windshield. It just goes up so high.

Speaker 2:
[30:20] It's massive.

Speaker 1:
[30:21] Just goes up.

Speaker 2:
[30:22] A lot of cool stuff with the Grenadier. I was a big fan of what I saw so far. Loved all the switches. I felt like I was in an airplane, which, you know, is what you usually want when you drive a car.

Speaker 1:
[30:35] Yeah, there is a picture. It has a very unique dashboard. You will not see a dashboard like this, I think, in any vehicle. Maybe in the airplane.

Speaker 2:
[30:44] Yeah, maybe in the airplane.

Speaker 1:
[30:45] But it's also, there's a lot of weird things about it, right?

Speaker 2:
[30:48] Do you know my number one weird thing?

Speaker 1:
[30:50] What is it?

Speaker 2:
[30:51] It's the gear selector.

Speaker 1:
[30:53] Oh, we have another picture of this, I think. Maybe not. Yeah, there.

Speaker 2:
[30:57] So, because this is powered by BMW, you know, it's got that B58 inline 6, which is a phenomenal engine, but it also has a BMW transmission, which is also great, but this pokes out, and that does not make sense with the rest of the interior.

Speaker 1:
[31:14] Basically, the console shifter on the center console, the transmission shifter, looks elegant.

Speaker 2:
[31:21] Very elegant.

Speaker 1:
[31:22] But it's not fitting with this blocky square truck.

Speaker 2:
[31:26] No, with this, you know, big manual, chonky switches, and then you've got, like, stilettos. You know, like, that's weird, you know? Not that I have anything against that gear selector on itself, but it doesn't quite mix with this interior.

Speaker 1:
[31:41] Yeah, and, but otherwise, I mean, other than the truck's price, here's another image we're looking at, at the overhead console.

Speaker 2:
[31:48] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[31:49] Which also looks like an airplane.

Speaker 2:
[31:50] Yeah, that was really cool.

Speaker 1:
[31:52] Other than the, some of the quirks of the interior, I mean, it's a very capable vehicle. It's also very expensive.

Speaker 2:
[32:01] Yeah, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1:
[32:02] It starts right there. You could see it, $85,000 it starts at.

Speaker 2:
[32:06] Starts at, and the one we have has quite a few options.

Speaker 1:
[32:09] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[32:09] I mean, the color alone is nearly $1,000.

Speaker 1:
[32:12] And we have locking differentials front and rear.

Speaker 2:
[32:14] Front and rear.

Speaker 1:
[32:15] So it's basically kind of like a Rubicon and steroids, like a Jeep Rubicon.

Speaker 2:
[32:19] A little RubiQ.

Speaker 1:
[32:20] Or RubiQ, or you know what else I was thinking about, one of the more expensive midsize trucks is a GMC Canyon 84X, kind of like the one we own.

Speaker 2:
[32:32] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[32:32] But, AEV edition.

Speaker 2:
[32:34] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[32:35] Which we tested also. Were you involved in that last year?

Speaker 2:
[32:39] No, I was not.

Speaker 1:
[32:40] We had one on loan and it comes on 35. So it's really big and beefy.

Speaker 2:
[32:45] I lied to you. I was involved. We've done too many videos.

Speaker 1:
[32:47] With the Snorkel.

Speaker 2:
[32:49] Yeah, the snake, right?

Speaker 1:
[32:50] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[32:51] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[32:51] The Snorkel. That was $72,000 and we thought it was knocked me over expensive. Remember?

Speaker 2:
[32:59] Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[33:00] But it's not as expensive as a Grenadier, but the Grenadier is kind of its own animal.

Speaker 2:
[33:06] And do you think that's why maybe it's more expensive? Because it's kind of this, it's the new kid in town and it's something that's been built from scratch essentially. And it still turns heads because people are like, what is that? Is that an old Defender or is that actually a new car?

Speaker 1:
[33:25] So partially, I think it's where it's built. It has a lot to do with the price because it's built in France. It's an older, I mean, repurposed Mercedes factory, which is near Germany. In fact, a lot of German engineers were involved in designing and helping build this thing. But there's also chicken tax, there's also tariffs. I mean, I think that that's inflating the price and I think Ineos is eating some of that price also to make it affordable to sell. But it's not as affordable, it's not affordable, period. But I think because there is no G-Wagon pickup truck and because there is no like a premium like brand like Lexus maybe or what other brand do you think? Like, I had this, here's a question. Should Bentley build a pickup truck?

Speaker 2:
[34:16] Oh my gosh. No, because I was a little upset when Porsche came out with the Panamera. I'm like, stick to two doors. And then the Cayenne. Well, you know what? I liked the Cayenne. Because, you know, the earlier ones had lockers and it was pretty cool and capable. But when they brought up four doors in a sedan, I'm like, no, no, no, that's not what you do.

Speaker 1:
[34:35] There's a line. They crossed the line.

Speaker 2:
[34:36] They crossed the line.

Speaker 1:
[34:38] So.

Speaker 2:
[34:38] I've forgiven them since.

Speaker 1:
[34:40] So Bentleys are already like $300,000. So I was thinking they could potentially build a pickup truck because it would be the ultimate, like, status symbol in my mind.

Speaker 2:
[34:51] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[34:51] But I guess, I guess people would rather drive a sedan, Bentley or an SUV, maybe.

Speaker 2:
[34:58] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[34:59] Than a pickup truck.

Speaker 2:
[34:59] I don't know that people are going to drop, you know, two, 300K on a truck. I think if someone wants to feel rugged, but still have that class, they're going to get a G-Wagon. Whether it has a better or not, they're just going to get a G-Wagon.

Speaker 1:
[35:14] Because it's been out there.

Speaker 2:
[35:15] It's been out there. They're not going to take it through the desert. They're not going to take it off-roading, but they're going to feel like they can, but they're just going to be crawling walls. But that's okay.

Speaker 1:
[35:24] Or for mere $100,000, they could pick up this quartermaster.

Speaker 2:
[35:28] I mean, that's kind of where it's at, at this point. But do you think over time, that price can start to creep down?

Speaker 1:
[35:35] I think so. Because first of all, well, eventually, there'll be some used ones. But for the new quartermasters or the new granadiers, I think what could happen if they're successful, they start to build up a little bit money in their company because it's a new company. So I mean, they started the production in like 2022 or 2023. So it wasn't very long ago. And they're still kind of getting going and opening stores and dealerships around the country. If they can get going and move production, maybe to a facility in North America, US., then they can avoid a lot of the chicken tax problems and other possible tariffs.

Speaker 2:
[36:16] That's true.

Speaker 1:
[36:17] And if that happens, which chicken tax is 25%, so all of a sudden you're not looking at 100 grand, all of a sudden it's now 75, which is still too expensive.

Speaker 2:
[36:28] Right.

Speaker 1:
[36:29] But you could also create a little bit more affordable model of it, which could bring it down.

Speaker 2:
[36:34] You could bring maybe a smaller version.

Speaker 1:
[36:36] A baby Grenadier.

Speaker 2:
[36:38] An eighth master, maybe.

Speaker 1:
[36:41] British have the funniest names. I mean, sometimes, so we have a quarter master, field master, which is a sub-model.

Speaker 2:
[36:51] Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[36:52] And then it has other, they have some cute names.

Speaker 2:
[36:56] So it's a British car made with a heavy influence by Germans but produced in France.

Speaker 1:
[37:02] Exactly, it's very simple.

Speaker 2:
[37:04] Yeah, why isn't that cheap? Of course, it's expensive.

Speaker 1:
[37:09] Exactly. But I think there's a place for it because it's super rugged, it has solid axles front and rear. Of course, it's a body-on-frame. It has a unique style to it that you won't expect currently from many other vehicles.

Speaker 2:
[37:25] But it's also capable. I mean, its towing is what, capable up to 77, 100 pounds? That's not bad for a mid-size truck.

Speaker 1:
[37:32] It's on the highest end because that's kind of the limit of, and we'll test it.

Speaker 2:
[37:36] Oh, we're going.

Speaker 1:
[37:37] We need to do the eye gauntlet with it. I mean, there's no question. It has a hitch.

Speaker 2:
[37:42] It has a hitch.

Speaker 1:
[37:43] I mean, it's already equipped.

Speaker 2:
[37:45] Ready to go.

Speaker 1:
[37:46] And why? Well, it doesn't have a brake controller.

Speaker 2:
[37:49] Okay, so not so ready to go. So we'll have to get that.

Speaker 1:
[37:52] For $100,000, we didn't get a brake controller. But it's kind of unusual, I think, for European vehicles. They look at towing a slightly different thing. So sometimes you need to create, add something to it, in this case, a brake controller for the trailer to actually get it to work.

Speaker 2:
[38:11] Yeah, how many British vehicles are offering towing?

Speaker 1:
[38:16] Well, actually, well, so English people and European people do it differently. They will tow with their VW Golf. I mean, they don't care.

Speaker 2:
[38:26] That's true.

Speaker 1:
[38:27] They don't care. They'll tow with anything.

Speaker 2:
[38:29] That's true.

Speaker 1:
[38:30] But they also often have those search brakes on their trailers, so you don't have to have a wire going, like a boat trailer, for example. So they'll have that. So they'll make fun of me. I met some German engineers in Sweden. I went out there for a Hyundai event for winter testing, and he's like, Andre, I tow 5,000 pounds with my BMW 5 Series. Try to stop me. I'm like, well, how do you stop? I asked him, do you have trouble stopping? He said, oh no, stopping is perfectly fine. I'm thinking to myself, how is this possible? How's this guy towing 5,000 pounds with his sedan?

Speaker 2:
[39:15] Yeah, that weighs less than 5,000 pounds.

Speaker 1:
[39:18] Yes, it does. So I think it has to do with the types of roads they're on. When you're going 75 across Colorado and the wind is knocking you around, and so I would really not want to tow with a 5 Series ever.

Speaker 2:
[39:34] Is he doing that on the Autobahn or is he doing that on smaller roads?

Speaker 1:
[39:39] He didn't explain. I hope he's not doing it on the Autobahn.

Speaker 2:
[39:43] That would be crazy.

Speaker 1:
[39:44] 150 miles an hour. But like a lot of countries like Germany, they have very strict motor vehicle laws. You have to pass inspections and safety inspections.

Speaker 2:
[39:55] Which I love, by the way.

Speaker 1:
[39:55] Yes. You cannot pass on the right in Germany.

Speaker 2:
[39:58] Good.

Speaker 1:
[39:59] So they have a lot of strict... And so maybe it makes sense for them to do this. But for us out here, we need something like the Quartermaster.

Speaker 2:
[40:08] Yeah, I think you're right. I think there's a space for it. Of course, it's too expensive and no one likes that. Nobody likes when things are too expensive. But I think it's really cool. I think it's very new and different, and there isn't really anything else quite like it.

Speaker 1:
[40:25] No. And one of our friends, Jay Couch, he's got actually a couple of companies. He's got Couch, F-Road, and he's got Dirt Box, Overland. He's actually outfitting Grenadiers left and right.

Speaker 2:
[40:39] Oh, he's a big fan.

Speaker 1:
[40:41] It's a very popular vehicle for his clientele and his customers. So I think partially because it could be used, you could feel at home in the US., Canada, Mexico. You could go to other countries with it.

Speaker 2:
[40:56] Africa.

Speaker 1:
[40:57] Africa. For sure. Because the tire wheel and size and the bolt pattern is very common around the world. So it was designed in a very kind of international way.

Speaker 2:
[41:08] Universal. Yeah. I think that's really smart.

Speaker 1:
[41:11] Because if you take your Raptor R, I don't know, to South America, let's say, and it's on 37s and you have a flat and you don't have a spare anymore because you used it up already. And you go to the store and you're like, I would like a 37, please. And they'll say, what?

Speaker 2:
[41:28] For what is that?

Speaker 1:
[41:29] But for why? Here's a little 31-inch tall tire for you. They'll just give you a little tire.

Speaker 2:
[41:36] Right. Okay. So unless you're going to put giant beefy tires on this thing.

Speaker 1:
[41:42] Which Jay is doing, actually.

Speaker 2:
[41:43] I'm not surprised. But it leaves you a little more availability to fix things if you're actually in other countries.

Speaker 1:
[41:53] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[41:53] I think that's really smart.

Speaker 1:
[41:54] And maybe it's actually cheaper to maintain. Because big tires cost more money. They're more rare. They're harder to get. Big wheels like 20s or 18s or 19s. They're not really for off-roaders. Right?

Speaker 2:
[42:07] No.

Speaker 1:
[42:09] So, but would you ever buy a Grenadier Quartermaster?

Speaker 2:
[42:12] I would. You would? You know, I was really on the fence about it when we first started checking it out this morning. But then I loved it. Even with the...

Speaker 1:
[42:24] Even with the quirks?

Speaker 2:
[42:25] Even with the quirks, like the big one that a lot of journalists are upset about is the the caster, since there's not a whole lot of caster. When you turn the wheel, it doesn't return. So you have to push it back. You have to push it back. But I think it is just kind of another quirk. It makes it feel old school and kind of cool and a little violent and dangerous and fun.

Speaker 1:
[42:48] I know what it was. Cole, can you bring up another steering wheel? Do you have a picture of the steering wheel on the Quartermaster?

Speaker 2:
[42:55] Oh, I like this, this too.

Speaker 1:
[42:57] Was it the toot button?

Speaker 2:
[42:58] It's the toot button. I do like the toot button.

Speaker 1:
[43:00] There's a red button on the steering wheel that says toot on it.

Speaker 2:
[43:04] Literally, it just says toot. Okay, this is a brilliant idea because this horn, the main horn in the center, is a very robust horn.

Speaker 1:
[43:13] And functional.

Speaker 2:
[43:13] And functional, for sure. But let's say you got a little old lady crossing the road in front of you. And for whatever reason, you feel like you have to honk at her.

Speaker 1:
[43:22] Or maybe you know her.

Speaker 2:
[43:23] Or maybe you know her. So you want to honk your horn. So instead of giving a heart attack and killing her, you just do a little beep beep and it's really cute. And I think it's actually, whether or not people are ever going to use it, I think the fact that it's there and usable and actually makes sense is really, really cool.

Speaker 1:
[43:40] But it's also a different color. So you could always see it. It's red and everything else is gray. And also it has a little bicycle symbol on it. So I believe some of the founders, including Jim Radcliffe, who is the billionaire behind Ineos, he's a bicycler. He likes to bicycle. So what do we have here around Boulder? Many different bicyclists.

Speaker 2:
[44:01] Lots of cyclists.

Speaker 1:
[44:02] So you can give them a little toot toot. Just to remind them, single file only, please.

Speaker 2:
[44:08] Oh gosh.

Speaker 1:
[44:09] Please do not.

Speaker 2:
[44:10] Drives me crazy.

Speaker 1:
[44:11] Do not go side by side on a tiny road. It's very unsafe.

Speaker 2:
[44:15] But the fact that it says toot, it just puts such a smile on my face. Like how could you not love that?

Speaker 1:
[44:20] You cannot take it too seriously, right?

Speaker 2:
[44:22] No. How could you not love that? It's fantastic.

Speaker 1:
[44:25] That's kind of what it's about. It also has some shortcomings, this one. Like the screen, we were having trouble seeing.

Speaker 2:
[44:31] It's pretty dark.

Speaker 1:
[44:33] The resolution wasn't super great on the central.

Speaker 2:
[44:35] Yeah. If you're wearing sunglasses and you're trying to see the backup camera, it's a little bit difficult to do.

Speaker 1:
[44:42] So it has a couple of little quirks, but I think that's what makes it endearing maybe in some ways. Some of its quirks are quite interesting. I cannot wait. I want to do a couple of things with it. I'm wondering if we could do like stock versus modded Quartermaster, because we have access to some of them.

Speaker 2:
[45:01] Yeah. Get up with Jake Houch.

Speaker 1:
[45:03] Then since you reminded me, I know somebody with a six by six.

Speaker 2:
[45:07] You're welcome.

Speaker 1:
[45:07] But that's not really fair, is it? It's a six by six.

Speaker 2:
[45:10] Well, okay. So maybe we're not testing some of the capabilities at the six by six.

Speaker 1:
[45:16] But maybe some of the image of it.

Speaker 2:
[45:18] The image of it. We could still test driving straight or infotainment or whatever.

Speaker 1:
[45:25] Or whether the steering wheel returns.

Speaker 2:
[45:28] We could close the doors and see the difference in that. Because I will say the quartermaster had a good thumb kerchunk to open it and a good click to close it. But it felt a little more robust rather than tinier on the G-Wagon.

Speaker 1:
[45:43] Yeah. The G-Wagon has a little bit more metallic sound to it, maybe.

Speaker 2:
[45:46] It'd be really interesting to do a side by side listening test of that.

Speaker 1:
[45:49] This has a little bit more quieter sound, but still very satisfying latch.

Speaker 2:
[45:54] For sure.

Speaker 1:
[45:55] That's really fun.

Speaker 2:
[45:56] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[45:57] But I don't know if these doors on the quartermaster are actually meant to be taken off, like the G-Wagon.

Speaker 2:
[46:01] I don't think so. I think the exterior hinges are for look, to make it look more robust and cool, kind of like how you see the exterior hinges for the hood on it, which I think makes it look really cool. But no, I don't believe the doors are meant to come off.

Speaker 1:
[46:15] So, a 1972 C-10 or a Quartermaster?

Speaker 2:
[46:18] Oh, C-10.

Speaker 1:
[46:19] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[46:19] A thousand percent.

Speaker 1:
[46:20] So, still, C-10 is at the highest level.

Speaker 2:
[46:22] A thousand percent.

Speaker 1:
[46:25] So Quartermaster is still far into the future.

Speaker 2:
[46:28] Yes. Well, for me, way far. But if I'm getting a truck, it's going to be that C-10.

Speaker 1:
[46:34] That's really cool. All right. Well, let us know what's your favorite pickup truck.

Speaker 2:
[46:38] Yeah, I'd love to hear it.

Speaker 1:
[46:39] Of all time. It doesn't have to be new.

Speaker 2:
[46:41] No, mine's not new.

Speaker 1:
[46:43] But I'm also super psyched about what's happening in the next couple of years, like we're mentioning. So this year we'll see Chevy Silverado and Sierra 1500 trucks. We will see. And then Ford has a humongous plan, up to four different pickup truck vehicles in the next two and a half years.

Speaker 2:
[47:03] Especially the F-150 alone is going to be huge.

Speaker 1:
[47:07] Which is really, I mean, they say it's the best seller, but of course, if you combine GM trucks, they're best sellers. But Ford will tell you, Ford will tell you, brand-wise, it's the best seller. Okay, yes. So everybody is a best seller.

Speaker 2:
[47:21] Everyone wins.

Speaker 1:
[47:22] So everyone wins. Everybody gets a medal, participation trophy. No, no, no, of course not. But Ford did say that they're going to be using a lot more hybrid technology, which is a new hot word because fuel prices are pretty high. And also, hybridization has a lot of benefits. Like you could have export power, you could power job sites or your campgrounds.

Speaker 2:
[47:49] Oh, 100 percent.

Speaker 1:
[47:50] So I'm really excited because right now they have an F-150 hybrid. But what if they had everything hybrid, including the Super Duty?

Speaker 2:
[47:58] Oh, that's a thought.

Speaker 1:
[47:59] Huh?

Speaker 2:
[48:00] That's a thought.

Speaker 1:
[48:01] Because nobody has done it yet.

Speaker 2:
[48:02] No, I'd be really interested to see how that would look and how that would work.

Speaker 1:
[48:07] Nobody has done a hybrid heavy-duty pickup truck as far as electrification combination, maybe with a gas V8 or maybe it's a diesel. But the diesel hybrid would be so expensive. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[48:20] Diesel alone is expensive.

Speaker 1:
[48:22] Well, because diesel, you have to have a turbocharged diesel, which is expensive. Then you have to have emission systems potentially on it, which is expensive. Then you have to have an electric motor and batteries, which are all expensive.

Speaker 2:
[48:34] But it would make sense as far as like what you said with the workplace. If you've got a heavy duty truck, which typically goes hand in hand with the workplace, being able to electrify your truck and use it to power your tools would be a fantastic idea.

Speaker 1:
[48:52] Yeah, because sometimes you have to tow a generator behind you. But now you don't.

Speaker 2:
[48:56] But now does this make your truck like 150 grand?

Speaker 1:
[48:59] Maybe it's a business expense. You can just write it off. That's what people do with G-Wagons.

Speaker 2:
[49:05] Just write stuff.

Speaker 1:
[49:07] Just write. Just shift money.

Speaker 2:
[49:09] It's fine. It's a write-off.

Speaker 1:
[49:11] Just shift money. Well, no, seriously, a lot of people, and for good reason, correctly, use it as a work vehicle, which is an expense, a business expense, which is a heavy vehicle, which means they can write off a lot of that value for their taxes.

Speaker 2:
[49:29] That makes sense.

Speaker 1:
[49:29] It makes sense.

Speaker 2:
[49:30] I'd like to see it.

Speaker 1:
[49:31] But I'm not that proponent of making everything more expensive, for sure. You know me. I had a WarCamp F-150 truck, and then I had a Trail Boss Colorado, which was also pretty affordable. That's right. Yeah. Then I have a used Tundra right now, so I'm not a proponent of $100,000 trucks.

Speaker 2:
[49:49] No, no. I mean, even the used Tundra was still expensive.

Speaker 1:
[49:53] It was $43,000 when we bought it.

Speaker 2:
[49:54] I mean, but I'm curious to see what you're going to get next.

Speaker 1:
[49:58] Also, I heard RAM has a lot of news also.

Speaker 2:
[50:03] Oh, really?

Speaker 1:
[50:04] I can't talk about a lot of it, any of it.

Speaker 2:
[50:07] Oh, so you're just teasing us now.

Speaker 1:
[50:09] Yes. Well, everybody knows that TRX is coming, so we can drive that.

Speaker 2:
[50:13] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[50:13] Everybody knows the diesel power wagon is coming. We know this. But they have other things for the street.

Speaker 2:
[50:23] I have wish lists.

Speaker 1:
[50:24] What is it?

Speaker 2:
[50:25] Like an RT Dakota.

Speaker 1:
[50:28] Oh, like a street-based Dakota truck? RAM, are you listening?

Speaker 2:
[50:32] That would be amazing. I mean, this is coming from the girl who's been dreaming about a C10. So, I mean, wouldn't that make sense for what I have?

Speaker 1:
[50:39] But also a two-door. Yes. Something small, affordable.

Speaker 2:
[50:42] A two-door, bench seats, manual. Let's bring it back to the 90s. That's what I want.

Speaker 1:
[50:49] Unfortunately, I don't know if a manual can return. I mean, easily because right now, so as of like a month ago, the Tacoma has been the only truck available with a manual currently.

Speaker 2:
[51:01] Why do we do this?

Speaker 1:
[51:02] And then Jeep said, wait a minute, we still could have a manual, so they brought it back.

Speaker 2:
[51:08] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[51:09] But now only the Jeep, Gladiator, and the Tacoma have a manual. Nothing else does.

Speaker 2:
[51:13] What is it, like 3% of vehicles nowadays are offered with a manual transmission?

Speaker 1:
[51:18] Yes. Some very, very low percentage.

Speaker 2:
[51:20] That is so, so sad because we are witnessing an entire era of vehicles just die.

Speaker 1:
[51:27] And it is fun to drive. You're involved.

Speaker 2:
[51:31] Exactly.

Speaker 1:
[51:32] You're doing things.

Speaker 2:
[51:33] I remember when I taught Mary how to drive manual.

Speaker 1:
[51:35] Oh, yes. It was in the Subaru.

Speaker 2:
[51:36] She got it. She got it.

Speaker 1:
[51:38] Right away.

Speaker 2:
[51:38] Well, she understood why you feel connected to the car.

Speaker 1:
[51:44] But it's also because you're a good teacher.

Speaker 2:
[51:46] Oh, thanks.

Speaker 1:
[51:48] Because if I... I think... But also she was a good student, right?

Speaker 2:
[51:53] She was a good student. She listened and she trusted herself. And that's, I mean, kind of what you really have to do to drive manual.

Speaker 1:
[52:00] I don't know. I was thinking about really... I need to work with my son and my daughter to teach them or continue with a manual transmission. But we just end up yelling at each other mostly.

Speaker 2:
[52:10] I'll teach them.

Speaker 1:
[52:11] Hey!

Speaker 2:
[52:12] I'd love to. It wouldn't be the first people, I thought.

Speaker 1:
[52:16] Exactly. So we just need a simple manual transmission, which I can buy.

Speaker 2:
[52:21] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[52:22] Because I don't want to use Roman's cars, you know.

Speaker 2:
[52:25] No, I mean, honestly, that Subaru that Mary drove was perfect because it was a POS. No one cared about it.

Speaker 1:
[52:32] It was old, lots of miles.

Speaker 2:
[52:34] If you bumped it, it's fine. You're going to grind the gears, it's fine.

Speaker 1:
[52:38] You've made a producer cough.

Speaker 2:
[52:40] Well, sorry Cole, but it was a POS.

Speaker 1:
[52:43] But also, then Kase completely killed it.

Speaker 2:
[52:46] He did. And I think he did it intentionally and probably with a smile on his face. He knew what he was doing.

Speaker 1:
[52:52] He was on camera. And I think I saw a smile.

Speaker 2:
[52:56] I don't think he thought for a second it was going to come out of that water. He knew as he was driving in, this is the end of its life.

Speaker 1:
[53:04] But it was for video.

Speaker 2:
[53:06] I think he would have done it off video too, to be honest.

Speaker 1:
[53:09] It was for views. It was part of our cheap car series that we were doing.

Speaker 2:
[53:14] That was an awesome series. We got to do that again.

Speaker 1:
[53:17] Yeah, we do. So, yeah. So thank you for joining us. This has been Truckish.

Speaker 2:
[53:23] Yeah, thanks for having me.

Speaker 1:
[53:24] Or also episode 328, which is Talkin Trucks. Wow. Yeah, a lot of episodes, right? Because Car-ish is in what, 26 or 25? 25.

Speaker 2:
[53:37] We've had 24 episodes.

Speaker 1:
[53:38] We have 25 coming up. By the way, everybody has to listen to Car-ish.

Speaker 2:
[53:41] It's fun.

Speaker 1:
[53:42] Because it's not just me talking or forcing Jen to talk about trucks. No. No, it's not just me talking about trucks. It's like just Tommy and Jen and Case having a lot of fun.

Speaker 2:
[53:55] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[53:56] And just talking about other things other than cars.

Speaker 2:
[53:59] Yeah. Sometimes it's ish, and that could be anything.

Speaker 1:
[54:03] I forgot to tell you what I learned is that in North America, in the US, the bison, the Yellowstone bison is called a bison.

Speaker 2:
[54:12] Right.

Speaker 1:
[54:13] It's not supposed to be called a buffalo.

Speaker 2:
[54:14] Right. Those are water buffalo.

Speaker 1:
[54:16] I have a problem with this. Because I went to CU Boulder.

Speaker 2:
[54:20] Which are the Buffs.

Speaker 1:
[54:21] Which are the Buffs, the Buffaloes, the University of Colorado Buffaloes, which means I've been living a lie all this time.

Speaker 2:
[54:29] Yeah. Did the school get it wrong?

Speaker 1:
[54:33] Whoa. There's some fighting words coming out.

Speaker 2:
[54:36] CSU guy trying to fight.

Speaker 1:
[54:38] The fighting rams are here.

Speaker 2:
[54:42] You're just a big sheep, Cole, okay? You're just a big bully sheep.

Speaker 1:
[54:50] I said to my family when we talked about this in Yellowstone, I said, I don't care what anybody says. It's going to be a Buffalo.

Speaker 2:
[55:01] It's a Buffalo.

Speaker 1:
[55:02] Well, there's like water buffalo, which is a different species.

Speaker 2:
[55:05] Right.

Speaker 1:
[55:06] It lives somewhere else. I don't care about water buffaloes.

Speaker 2:
[55:09] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[55:10] I care about the bison buffalo.

Speaker 2:
[55:12] Okay. So are there no buffalo in the US?

Speaker 1:
[55:16] Cole, can you Google this?

Speaker 2:
[55:18] Cole, fix this. Why is it CU Buffs if there are no buffalo?

Speaker 1:
[55:20] Are there any buffaloes in the USA?

Speaker 2:
[55:24] Yes. Okay.

Speaker 1:
[55:25] Wild buffalo.

Speaker 2:
[55:26] Oh, but they're called American bison. What is happening? What is what?

Speaker 1:
[55:30] So-

Speaker 2:
[55:34] Yes, American bison.

Speaker 1:
[55:35] Wait, do another-

Speaker 2:
[55:36] Are commonly called buffalo...

Speaker 1:
[55:37] .distinctively distinct. From a true buffalo, African buffalo, and Asian water buffalo. Oh, man.

Speaker 2:
[55:47] While bison is the precise scientific term, buffalo has been used for centuries.

Speaker 1:
[55:53] Maybe that's why. Maybe buffalo is more traditional term that applies, but the bison is kind of like a version of it, like a trim level, I would say.

Speaker 2:
[56:06] Oh, a trim level. Okay. I thought we were talking about burgers, maybe. Because no one would call it a buffalo burger.

Speaker 1:
[56:13] But have you ever heard of a bison burger?

Speaker 2:
[56:15] Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1:
[56:16] No, no, but on the menu, it says buffalo burger.

Speaker 2:
[56:19] No, I always thought it says bison burger.

Speaker 1:
[56:22] Oh, man. We're going down the rabbit hole here.

Speaker 2:
[56:24] We're not even talking about trucks no more. See, this is the ish, folks.

Speaker 1:
[56:27] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[56:27] This is the ish.

Speaker 1:
[56:29] Finally, we have achieved the truckish. Anyways, so even though bison is a technical term for a bison that we saw on Yellowstone, I refuse to say that.

Speaker 2:
[56:41] Okay. It's buffalo.

Speaker 1:
[56:43] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[56:43] Okay. That's fair.

Speaker 1:
[56:44] Although, you could have a Chevy Colorado bison. You know what I'm saying? The trim level of the Chevy can be a bison. But when you refer to an animal, I would like to call it a buffalo. Okay.

Speaker 2:
[56:58] Well, I'm not going to stop you.

Speaker 1:
[57:00] But coal will.

Speaker 2:
[57:01] Coal will stop everybody. He's a big party pooper.

Speaker 1:
[57:04] Well, yeah. We have some rival schools here, which is healthy, I think. It's a healthy rivalry. Anyways, so thanks for joining us. We'll see you next time. By the way, Next Week is a huge show I'm planning.

Speaker 2:
[57:17] Oh.

Speaker 1:
[57:18] Even bigger than this one.

Speaker 2:
[57:19] What? Bigger than this one? How is that possible?

Speaker 1:
[57:23] Well, let me tell you. Stay tuned, because next week, next week, just a week from now, now, Nathan is returning.

Speaker 2:
[57:33] Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1:
[57:34] To the show.

Speaker 2:
[57:35] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[57:35] He's going to be here in person.

Speaker 2:
[57:37] That's huge.

Speaker 1:
[57:37] Yes. We're going to have a truck podcast with Nathan Adlin because he moved out to Los Angeles area for what, a year and a half now, maybe two years. So we've been missing him. We still do some videos together. But he's going to be in the studio with us doing a podcast. We're going to have an anniversary show because we missed our March anniversary, which was six years of this show. So I'm also bringing other guests. Of course, I want to see Roman on the show, Case, and also I'm trying to pull the strings, and I'm trying to get Mr. Truck to come out of retirement. Well, he's not really retired, kind of slightly sort of retired, to come out and be with us here.

Speaker 2:
[58:22] You should have just a line of people and a revolving door to come in.

Speaker 1:
[58:25] Well, we have four microphones, right, Cole? We have four. We have four microphones.

Speaker 2:
[58:29] I think we get like all 10 of us in here and just shout from the back.

Speaker 1:
[58:33] Well, people can pass a microphone to each other. So it's going to be a big show.

Speaker 2:
[58:38] We party.

Speaker 1:
[58:39] Some of the old fellows are going to be here.

Speaker 2:
[58:41] That's cool.

Speaker 1:
[58:41] So that's going to be a big one.

Speaker 2:
[58:44] I'm excited. I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 1:
[58:46] I have no idea what if it's going to be truckish or it's probably will be heavy duty HD HD HD podcast HD. So thanks for joining us again and we'll see you next time.

Speaker 2:
[58:59] Bye guys.