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Speaker 2:
[01:20] Welcome to The Ringer NFL Draft Show. My name is Danny Heifetz, and I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horlbeck, and boys, round one is over. We did it. Well, we didn't do anything, but we just watched it on TV.

Speaker 3:
[01:31] I did some stuff.

Speaker 2:
[01:32] You did some stuff. DK's draft grades are at www.interfeldraft.theringerran.com if you want to see. He gave your team a shitty grade.

Speaker 3:
[01:37] I'm a glutton for punishment. Let me know.

Speaker 2:
[01:39] Comment on it on Instagram if you hate DK's draft grades.

Speaker 4:
[01:41] No Fs or Ds, though.

Speaker 3:
[01:44] Right. It was not that crazy of a first round this year, I think. There was also just a lot of down the fairway picks, I feel like.

Speaker 2:
[01:51] Okay. Well.

Speaker 3:
[01:52] But otherwise, we'll talk about a lot.

Speaker 4:
[01:54] There's a couple.

Speaker 2:
[01:55] So we're going to go through and again, we're going to have more episodes Friday night, Sunday next week, and then we're going to have episodes all summer. So if you've gotten this far, then stick with us for the entire summer. We're just going to go through round one. We have a bunch of awards we're going to give out, starting with most shocking moment of the draft. I think we have to start with the rims taking Ty Simpson at number 13 overall, and then after the draft, Sean McVey looked pretty pissed about it.

Speaker 4:
[02:18] Yeah. Lesnead and McVey did like a 10-minute presser after, and it really seems like McVey did not want Ty Simpson and Lesnead did.

Speaker 3:
[02:28] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[02:30] Here, DK, we're going to play the clip of a reporter asking Sean McVey about this selection.

Speaker 3:
[02:36] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[02:36] DK has not seen this.

Speaker 3:
[02:37] I haven't really seen it yet, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[02:39] Also, you have to listen really carefully because the reporter is not miked.

Speaker 1:
[02:45] John, did you have a conversation with Matthew about this hit? Yeah, I did.

Speaker 4:
[02:51] I'll keep that between us.

Speaker 1:
[02:55] We'll see.

Speaker 4:
[02:55] He's going to compete with Stetson.

Speaker 3:
[02:59] The smirks at the end of every answer, he's just, he's seething, it seems.

Speaker 4:
[03:03] Yes. For those who couldn't hear, the question was, did you talk to Matt Stafford? He goes, yeah, I did. And they were like, what did you say? He's like, I'll keep that between us. And they're like, so do you expect Ty Simpson to be the backup quarterback? He's like, we'll see. He'll compete with Stetson Bennett.

Speaker 3:
[03:16] Stetson Bennett.

Speaker 2:
[03:18] Who's 28 years old.

Speaker 3:
[03:19] 13th overall pick is going to compete with Stetson Bennett.

Speaker 2:
[03:22] People might say we're reading too much into this. You can tell, this happens all the time. Marvin Lewis was famous for this, the Bengals, where you could just tell if he wanted the pick or not by his face. And it's like, he can't hot like he's not a very good actor.

Speaker 3:
[03:33] If that's no, that is genuine anger. He's not a very good actor.

Speaker 4:
[03:36] McVeigh has never been somebody, in my opinion, who's been able to conceal his emotions. No, right, right. No, you can always kind of see what he's feeling.

Speaker 2:
[03:43] I think that there was this was a very controversial pick in one of the biggest stories of the draft, the Rams taking Ty Simpson before we found out the McVeigh thing. And I think there was a whole conversation we were probably going to have about. I think it's two different questions. Does it make sense to take a quarterback in the first round? In your Super Bowl team?

Speaker 4:
[04:02] No.

Speaker 2:
[04:06] I think it makes more sense than people think.

Speaker 4:
[04:08] Get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 2:
[04:09] But then there's a separate question of whether Ty Simpson is the guy.

Speaker 4:
[04:12] Plowed through it. Okay.

Speaker 2:
[04:15] Well, I'm just saying, like, it's not, look.

Speaker 4:
[04:18] It is so rare that you are a team as good as the Rams who almost made the Super Bowl and arguably were the best team in the NFL last year.

Speaker 3:
[04:25] All right.

Speaker 4:
[04:25] I'm just saying, I said arguably. And you have the 13th pick in the draft. And you can get somebody who could immediately step in and contribute and help you get over the hump. And you do the, and also it's not like Ty Simpson is some generational prospect that you kind of jumped up to get because you thought it was a steal. This is a guy who, like, most people thought it could have been a second rounder. Would you have been a problem if he was a second rounder? To me, you know what this reminded me of a little bit was the two timeline warriors with Joe Lakob and how the warriors refused to trade Jonathan Kaminga and Moody because they wanted to win in the future because Jordan Poole was playing well. And they were like, actually, we can do both at the same time. We want a title, but we don't want to double down on Stafford. We're not doubling down on Stafford, I guess is the loose comparison I'm making. And Les Snead was like, well, Stafford's 38. Why don't we get a guy who we think can work in the system? Which is what Les said in the presser. He said we picked him because of his processing ability, playing football, his ability to execute a passing offense and his mobility. And then he talked about how Snead grew up in Alabama and he loved that Bama lost that first game against the Florida State. And he was like, I love how Ty Simpson responded. They went on to win like eight or nine games in a row. And like Bama football, you know Bama in football. And like the way Ty Simpson respond. And I'm just like, what are we? And McVeigh is sitting there just like fucking not blinking. And I'm like, you could have-

Speaker 3:
[05:44] Can see the vein in his forehead.

Speaker 4:
[05:46] They could have taken Makai Lemon, Vega Ioane, Rueben Bain, Monroe Freeling, all those guys on the board.

Speaker 3:
[05:51] It just feels very, it feels very out of character for what the Rams have done lately too, where the F them picks thing, where they're taking guys that can contribute right away. It felt like they were always putting their chips in a lot for each season and then we'll figure it out down the line.

Speaker 4:
[06:09] To your point, I thought when they made the pick that everybody in the Rams was on the same page.

Speaker 2:
[06:13] That's the normal thing. The fact that Sean McVay seems to not be happy about this is crazy.

Speaker 4:
[06:20] And my first thought, my first thought was like, oh, interesting, maybe Stafford told them doing one more year and that's it. And they were like, okay, let's get ahead of it. We have a rare opportunity to guarantee the quarterback of the next generation after Stafford and we know we can get him at 13. And this was a free pick that we got from Atlanta. So like, fuck it. We already used our real pick to get Trent McDuffie. Let's just use this free pick. Stafford's gonna be gone in a year. He told us let's do that. But that doesn't sound like that was the case.

Speaker 2:
[06:48] The entire premise of this pick making sense to me is I just assumed Sean McVay was down.

Speaker 4:
[06:53] Of course.

Speaker 2:
[06:54] Why wouldn't I? This is also, by the way, why the draft's fucking impossible to figure out. Is if I had told you before, the Rams are gonna take Ty Simpson, but McVay's gonna be pissed. You'd be like, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Speaker 4:
[07:04] It's like, how am I supposed to know who a team is gonna take if the head coach and the GM don't even know what they're gonna take?

Speaker 2:
[07:08] Exactly, which happens a lot more than you think. I think to my like to what I was saying earlier, I'm not saying that this is necessarily a good idea. What I'm saying is the Packers took Jordan Love and that was widely panned because they had Rodgers. And on one hand, you'd be like, well, thank God they did, because Rodgers was only there for so much longer. And then the Packers have Jordan Love now. However, you also could be like, well, the Packers are taking a corner back there. Maybe they would have made the Super Bowl. But I think the interesting difference to me, basically, I think taking a quarterback when you don't need one is a good idea and investing in the position is smart. If Stafford gets hurt this season, which he had a back injury last year, he didn't get hurt. But even Stafford was like, I'm shocked. I feel good late in the season. If maybe Ty Simpson could help them. I'm curious what you think, DK. I think what's interesting is Ty Simpson is nothing like Jordyn Love, who is a really toolsy, crazy arm, crazy talented player that was like raw. Ty Simpson is raw, but not as toolsy. He's fast, but he's almost like a less talented Daniel Jones. His arm is good. Ty Simpson's arm is good. He's not as good as like a Sam Darnold or something. He's fast, but he's not as fast as Daniel Jones pre-Achilles. I'm curious.

Speaker 4:
[08:13] Why did you pick Daniel Jones?

Speaker 2:
[08:15] Because I think Ty Simpson is a lot like Daniel Jones, honestly.

Speaker 4:
[08:17] Oh, really?

Speaker 2:
[08:19] I think he's kind of like a slower Daniel Jones.

Speaker 4:
[08:20] Oh, interesting. Do you see that?

Speaker 3:
[08:24] I'm not really sure of the comp. Yeah, I don't know. Not really.

Speaker 4:
[08:27] I thought you just picked him because he's white.

Speaker 2:
[08:29] No, I actually had that written in my notes and then Dane Bruegler had it too. I was like, okay guys, it's Daniel Jones.

Speaker 3:
[08:34] So, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[08:36] I guess my question for you is, well, I guess, what did you think of this before you thought Sean McVeigh liked him and then after you found out?

Speaker 3:
[08:42] Well, my first reaction and I've been very clear about this from the beginning is just like, this is not a profile of a first round quarterback. They're wish casting what he can be based on some traits.

Speaker 4:
[08:53] How many games did he start?

Speaker 3:
[08:55] 15 games in his career.

Speaker 2:
[08:56] And the first rounders this century have done that are?

Speaker 3:
[08:59] Anthony Richardson, Dwayne Haskins, and even if you expand it to like 25 games, the list is pretty horrible.

Speaker 4:
[09:07] The only one who really pops is basically Josh Allen.

Speaker 3:
[09:09] Right. And like Sam Darnold, who is now on his fifth team.

Speaker 4:
[09:12] Sure.

Speaker 3:
[09:13] So yeah, I mean, to me, just the profile of a guy who's a, you know, it took him four years or five years to get, to actually become the starter on his team. He only has one year of starting experience. He was hurt for half of that year, which by the way is possibly related to the fact that he's undersized. I think he's a quarterback who has under, he has below average traits and not very many starts. And so this is just to me a very narrow path in which he could be successful in the NFL.

Speaker 4:
[09:42] However, It sounds like they like his brain more than all.

Speaker 3:
[09:44] Well yeah, and that's fair. But to me that's like, I mean, he's like a coach's son, he went to Bama.

Speaker 2:
[09:49] Snead admitting I'm from Alabama and all my family is from Alabama, and like it's subconscious.

Speaker 4:
[09:55] Everything I just said, though, like, He mentioned the Florida State thing twice in the 10-minute presser, how they lost the Florida State. It's a heat check.

Speaker 3:
[10:01] Yeah, they love that stuff.

Speaker 4:
[10:02] It's getting cute. It's getting extremely cute.

Speaker 3:
[10:05] I want to say, I want to be clear because I said, and I said this before the draft, I said it was before he was picked by the Rams. I said, if he gets picked by the Rams, then all bets are off because of that offensive system, because McVeigh is the quarterback whisperer, because of so much success they've had in an offense. Now I'm like, he could be successful. He could be an outlier because he's on the Rams.

Speaker 2:
[10:25] Now he's just made McVeigh a whisperer because he's just like, yeah, I like to pick him.

Speaker 3:
[10:28] I still think this is a dumb pick. I think they could have gotten him quite a bit later. First of all.

Speaker 2:
[10:32] Look, I could sit here and make the case for against Ty Simpson because, again, he got hurt halfway through his only year of playing, which you could say, well, he got hurt because he's small. He's not the experienced. He's half a good season. You also be like, well, he had this back injury in South Carolina halfway through the season before the injury had 20 touchdowns in one pick. Afterward, he had eight touchdowns at four picks. His completion percentage went from 70 to 60. But overall, I think he had the lowest interception rate in the history of Alabama football. He threw less than an interception per 100 times. Like he'd go through all that and be like, oh, well, maybe he was good. The point to me, though, is the entire premise of taking a quarterback to when you are a Super Bowl team. And in the Rams mind, they were better than the Seahawks last year and they should have won. And Zach Sharbon, I picked up the football randomly and they should have won. The entire point of a quarterback succession plan is organizational alignment. And the whole thing that Sean McVeigh, the quarterback whisperer, if Sean McVeigh is not on board, then there is no succession plan. Like the fact that he did like the idea that you would do this without McVeigh's blessing, never mind it actually being and maybe we're reading too much into it. I don't think we are because he was excited and jazzed about it. He wouldn't look like that.

Speaker 4:
[11:36] Yeah, he was pissed.

Speaker 3:
[11:38] He's pretty like clear.

Speaker 2:
[11:39] And dude, he was pissed. Like if anyone here thinks we're reading too much into this, go up and pull up a video of like Sean McVeigh talking about someone they're excited about. Like go up when they got Devonta Adams. Yeah. And so we can move on to another pick. But I just think that is my lasting impression of this. The idea that you're going to have McVeigh invest time in a court like you need to care. Like you need him to want Ty Simpson to be the guy. And if he doesn't like he's not going to work.

Speaker 4:
[12:04] It's just weird. Stafford's 38 years old. Because the Super Bowl is in LA this year. They were extremely close to winning a Super Bowl last year. And they did not select a player who will contribute to the team at the 13th of World Cup.

Speaker 2:
[12:16] Okay. We can go. So that's the most shocking moment of the draft. I actually think the most shocking moment of the draft was after the draft McVeigh saying, looking pissed.

Speaker 4:
[12:25] McVeigh closed the presser by saying they asked about like, you know, Ty Simpson learning behind under Matt Stafford. And he was like, yeah, no, I mean, it'll certainly be beneficial for Simpson. But he'll be learning behind the reigning MVP in a first ballot Hall of Famer. I was like, hey.

Speaker 2:
[12:42] That's, dude, that is, anyway. The next most shocking moment of the draft, DK, which of the Notre Dame running backs that went in the first round was the most shocking moment to you?

Speaker 3:
[12:51] I would say-

Speaker 4:
[12:51] We have Jeremiah Love at three to the Cardinals and Judarian Price at 32 to the Seahawks.

Speaker 3:
[12:57] Jeremiah Love to the Cardinals with Arvell Reese on the board. So there was a number of, yeah, the first round kind of went crazy and the way that everything kind of came off the board. Arvell Reese fell. He didn't fall that far, but he fell based on where everyone kind of expected it to go.

Speaker 2:
[13:12] Fell just to the right spot.

Speaker 3:
[13:12] Yeah. And, but to me the Cardinals picking Love with Reese on the board is like unforgivable. It's just, again, not to belabor what we said basically this whole time, but this is not a team that's in the position to add a running back and it's going to make a significant difference towards their wins. They don't even have a quarterback. What are we doing?

Speaker 4:
[13:34] I have less of a problem with it being third and you can't take a running back third. To me, I thought if the Titans took a running back fourth or the commanders took a running back seventh, I would have been fine with that because you ostensibly have your quarterback.

Speaker 3:
[13:45] Right.

Speaker 4:
[13:46] The Cardinals need fucking everything, especially a quarterback and you're taking Jeremiah Love, you're just going to burn a year of Jeremiah Love.

Speaker 3:
[13:53] At least a year, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[13:54] At least a year of Jeremiah Love and then cross your fingers that you find a quarterback next year. Jeremiah Love's fucking rookie contract might be done before they find their quarterback in Arizona.

Speaker 2:
[14:02] When Jay Gruden was the head coach of Washington, he said that we would do four months of research and then Dan Snyder would come in, get off his yacht, make the pick. I think the Cardinals, I'm willing to say, this is Michael Bidwell, the owner of the Cardinals, coming in and being like, I want Jeremiah Love. Because Arvell Reese fundamentally is, tweener's maybe the wrong word, but it's like, oh, he can play two positions.

Speaker 3:
[14:22] He's too close to Isaiah Simmons.

Speaker 2:
[14:23] And the Cardinals have drafted the amount of guys who were like, oh, he's like a linebacker defensive end hybrider. He's like a linebacker safety hybrid. It's like, Zaven Collins was like that, as you know, linebacker defensive end. Isaiah Simmons was a safety linebacker hybrid. Dion Buchanan, Hassan Reddick, they've had five first or four first round picks in the last like 15 years that were that. None of them worked, really. And I think Michael Bidwell is basically like, I've heard this same pitch from three or four different coaching staffs. And Michael Bidwell is like, fuck that, I want the cool running back. And relatedly, I want to point out, the Arizona Cardinals have never had a head coach longer than six years. The Arizona Cardinals, believe it or not, are the oldest team in the NFL.

Speaker 3:
[15:03] Is that right?

Speaker 2:
[15:04] They used to be in Chicago. The Cardinals are over 100 years old.

Speaker 3:
[15:07] The oldest franchise. I thought you meant the roster. No, not the roster.

Speaker 2:
[15:10] The Cardinals are the oldest franchise in the entire league. And they've never had a coach older than six years. And Michael Bidwell or his family has owned it almost the entire time. And I just think these things are all related. The ownership is sneaky, tumultuous, on par with Cleveland and the Jets. No one cares because people don't care about Arizona. And it's nice weather and it was real bad for them. But this is one of the worst ownership situations in the league. And I think it's that simple as he wanted a cool running back.

Speaker 4:
[15:37] You need to tackle. You don't have a quarterback. You need a lot of help on defense. And now this is a team with Jeremiah Love, Marvin Harrison Jr. and Trey McBride.

Speaker 3:
[15:46] And they signed Tyler Algier in the offseason.

Speaker 2:
[15:48] It's worth remembering to what we were talking about last week with the draft where the way it works is whoever the Cardinals take with the third pick, because the slot is pre-negotiated as part of the Collective Bargain Agreement. The third pick in the draft is whoever the Cardinals took was going to get $52.5 million over four years. It doesn't matter if they took a quarterback or a running back. So when people talk about the value of a running back, it's will a running back top five salaries, like $14 million and a quarterback's top five salaries, almost $50 million. And so if you take a different position, you're getting a deal because it's like you could walk into the supermarket and you get one thing. Do you want a Hershey's bar? Or do you want like a Porterhouse stick? It's like the running back comes in and like Jeremiah Love has the largest guarantee in the NFL, almost.

Speaker 4:
[16:31] I mean, $50 million in guaranteed salary, which is by far the most ever. No running back in NFL history has guaranteed that much money.

Speaker 2:
[16:37] It's 50% higher than Saquon's guaranteed deal.

Speaker 4:
[16:39] Saquon was 36 and Jeremiah Love is 50.

Speaker 3:
[16:42] And yeah, so I went back and looked at the, sorry, the Giants records during Saquon's first four seasons, it was like four wins, four wins. He missed almost the entire season, then four wins.

Speaker 2:
[16:53] Well, this is the thing with the running backs. We've, it's like the cherry on the bottom of the sundae or the top. And it's like the first, the really high drafted running backs worked when it was, you go to the best offense line in the NFL. So it's Zeke Elliott to the Cowboys, it's Jameer Gibbs to the Lions, it's Saquon going in free agency to the Eagles, or it's a running back going to the best offense coach in the NFL. It's McCaffrey to Shanahan, it's Gurley to McVeigh. The ones that don't work are McCaffrey to the Panthers, or Saquon to the Giants, or Jen to the Raiders. It's like, it's like, yeah, four nets. Well, even then, I think, I mean, that was a bad pick. Like that kind of worked, but it was disappointing. Like for the most part, if you're a bad team, like you shouldn't have a running back this high in the Cardinal. Yeah. So if you know, I mean, maybe.

Speaker 3:
[17:35] Yeah. Anyway, just just to me, it's just a gross miss allocation of resources. You only have so many edges that you can find in the NFL. One of them is finding an elite player at a position where you're saving a whole lot of money. Like if they had taken Arvell Reese there and he becomes a top tier pass rusher, you're saving an insane amount of money, which you can then put into other positions, like say running back and whatever. And but like so that so they're using a high end draft piece of draft capital, number three overall pick plus paying him at the top of the market. And also just the entire history that we have of like running backs not really making that big of a difference if you're a bad team.

Speaker 4:
[18:12] It's also just like a lame spot for him to land. Like as a fan of football and I get fantasy football, you're like, now what do I do?

Speaker 3:
[18:20] Well, and what are they going to do at quarterback, by the way?

Speaker 4:
[18:23] Well, it'll be a very interesting fantasy season for the Cardinals because it's like whoever's throwing the ball, like they need to just throw it 50 times a game. And you can probably rack up a lot of fantasy stats, even though they're going to win two or three games.

Speaker 2:
[18:34] Well, you know, it was sick, though, was the Cardinals didn't take Arvell Reese.

Speaker 3:
[18:37] You know what?

Speaker 2:
[18:37] The Titans didn't take Arvell Reese. You know what? The Giants got Arvell Reese. And that was honestly the best moment of having the Giants in a high-fifth.

Speaker 3:
[18:43] It's had a shit-eating grin on his face for the last like two hours.

Speaker 2:
[18:46] I just Arvell Reese and Red Bull just coursing through my.

Speaker 3:
[18:47] Yeah. How many Red Bulls?

Speaker 4:
[18:48] Heifetz has had three Red Bulls in the last like hour and a half, and it's 10 p.m. right now. He is wired.

Speaker 3:
[18:55] He's double fisting Red Bulls.

Speaker 4:
[18:56] He literally I don't even know how that made sense, but he finished two Red Bulls at the same time. I don't know why he wasn't going one at a time.

Speaker 3:
[19:02] He's like, which one do I do?

Speaker 2:
[19:06] Do that again?

Speaker 3:
[19:07] No, no, no. I was doing like the far of it, like, oh, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[19:11] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[19:11] Wait, one more time.

Speaker 3:
[19:14] Oh, that would be like more like up here.

Speaker 4:
[19:15] OK. Wait, what would that be like?

Speaker 3:
[19:19] It'd be like up here. Yeah, we're talking. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[19:21] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[19:22] If that's what you're looking for.

Speaker 4:
[19:25] What if the Red Bull can was really big and you needed two hands to drink it?

Speaker 3:
[19:32] It'd be like this, Craig.

Speaker 2:
[19:34] The Matt Khalil.

Speaker 3:
[19:40] I know what you're doing. And I actually think it's funny.

Speaker 4:
[19:42] I know what you're doing and I don't like it. Heifetz, dude, you were. I haven't seen you that happy since he was jumping for joy.

Speaker 3:
[19:50] You were like genuine jumping for joy.

Speaker 4:
[19:53] Danced around the office.

Speaker 2:
[19:56] I can't believe I mean, the Jets didn't take Arvell Reese, which I think is hilarious. And then the Jets get David Bailey and then the Giants get Arvell Reese. I think they'll be compared for the next five years, basically.

Speaker 3:
[20:07] Can we talk about the Giants' defensive line? Just name the people on your offense.

Speaker 2:
[20:10] I mean, they got ready, Dex Lawrence. But now, the Giants have Brian Burns, who sneakily had like 16 sacks last year. And then they have Abdul Carter, who is considered like a Michael Parsons clone that they took last year. And then now, I mean, Kevan Thibodeau, I kind of think is going to get traded tomorrow. But then now you have Arvell Reese, who whether he's edge rusher, inside linebacker, he's like this. He's the green in the chest.

Speaker 3:
[20:32] Rees and Abdul Carter is freaking.

Speaker 2:
[20:33] Dude, I think Arvell Reese, sometimes fans are upset about this. It blows my mind. I think Arvell Reese is easily the best player in the draft, or at least Jeremiah Love running back. Arvell Reese should be the number one player on every team's board other than Fernando Mendoza. I'm going to just steal like somewhat. This is Olly Connolly had this at his sub stack read optional. But Olly Connolly was trained as a linebackers scout. And he had Arvell Reese as the second highest linebacker he had ever graded behind Luke Keighley.

Speaker 3:
[20:59] Oh, which he's pretty good. Oh, dear. Keighley was the same.

Speaker 2:
[21:04] Reese and for all that Reese has been kind of graded as an edge rusher, Arvell Reese kind of played linebacker at Ohio State. He kind of played both and he moved all over. He does some edge rusher stuff, but he's really playing linebacker. And I mean, Reese is elite athleticism. He is elite technique. He see I think he actually sees the game at an elite level. I think Olly Connolly made a great point that he gets stuck. He doesn't get stuck in the mud like I almost think it was like 1917. You the movie like runs across the trenches and like you have to be able to run through all this traffic.

Speaker 3:
[21:30] You have to sift through the trash is the term that people use. And it's like you have to move laterally while keeping your eye in the backfield and then still staying clean and not getting blocked to arrive at the ball. He's really he's really sneaky at getting through the line, too. Like he's big and powerful and he can overwhelm guys at the point of attack. But he's also really just slick at avoiding contact and getting into the backfield.

Speaker 2:
[21:52] Dude, Reese is the kind of guy that can go around to left tackle, but he also can probably cover for one play like the best receiver in a team, maybe. I know that's kind of an insane thing to say, but like his ceiling is defensive player of the year. I think he's an incredible player. He's able to do everything like he can line up. But like I don't want him to be trained as just a regular edge rusher. I think that Abdul Carter and Arvell Reese, the upside is.

Speaker 3:
[22:13] Well, Carter was a linebacker too before he switched over to linebacker. There's so much versatility with those playmakers.

Speaker 2:
[22:21] Yeah, I think that dude, I am over the moon. But also the other things about Arvell Reese is, I mean, Solak talked to him at ESPN on, I don't know what ESPN does now, but it was a little TikTok clone. They have Solak doing that. I don't know what it's called. But Solak was like describing this.

Speaker 4:
[22:40] Those young people videos.

Speaker 2:
[22:41] Well, it wasn't on TikTok. ESPN built a clone in the ESPN app. And I'm like, oh, Solak talked to Arvell Reese. And he's like explaining to Arvell Reese all these moves he does. And he was like, Arvell Reese is like, oh, is that what you call it? I don't know. It's kind of just vibing out there. I don't really know. And Solak's like, you never practice? He's like, no, I don't know. I've been playing defense with them like one year.

Speaker 3:
[22:57] And it's never it's my first time.

Speaker 4:
[22:59] Literally, it's like, how often do you play?

Speaker 2:
[23:02] Never have. But it is kind of like that. But the little things with Arvell Reese, and I think the difference between him and other players is and DK. I mean, you know this better than me, but he doesn't take any plays off like the motor and everything like like even Sonny Styles, who some people were kind of like, oh, Sonny Styles didn't miss any tackles. Well, sometimes he wasn't close enough to there because he was kind of like getting a little bored. Arvell Reese is kind of doing all the little things well, the technique, the fundamentals, combined with the crazy athleticism and everything. I don't know. I think this guy is the limit. I think this, I'm biased, but I think this was the absolute steal.

Speaker 3:
[23:33] He has the highest upside of almost any player in the draft, maybe any player in the draft. He could be, you know, a Michael Parsons-esque caliber player.

Speaker 2:
[23:41] Then we have two Michael Parsons, because Abdel Carter is Michael Parsons, Abel Reese is Michael Parsons. The Packers only had one Michael Parsons and he tore his ACL. So we kind of cornered the market on Michael Parsons.

Speaker 4:
[23:51] And we've learned that doubling down on what you're already good at is a good thing.

Speaker 3:
[23:55] Yeah. I wonder, I don't know if this would have made any difference whatsoever, but I wonder if the Giants had known that they were going to get Reese, if they still would be so excited to trade Dexter Lawrence.

Speaker 2:
[24:06] I kind of wish we'd kept them.

Speaker 3:
[24:08] I mean, it doesn't make a huge difference, but...

Speaker 2:
[24:10] Dude, if we had Lawrence still...

Speaker 4:
[24:12] You'd have the greatest defensive line of all time. I did.

Speaker 2:
[24:14] I kind of wish we'd kept them.

Speaker 3:
[24:15] Just see how that goes.

Speaker 2:
[24:18] I kind of wish we did it on the clock, man. We would have just been like, you know what?

Speaker 4:
[24:21] We're good.

Speaker 3:
[24:21] Because I don't think there's any, I mean, very few permutations that I saw in mock drafts that Reese was falling much. I mean, I guess there was a few people that suggested it could happen, but...

Speaker 4:
[24:31] Well, it's funny because it really was like the perfect scenario for the Giants because I bet you teams like Arizona and Tennessee had Reese graded very highly, but because what we talked about earlier with Arizona being like, look, we don't want to tweener. We've failed at that, so we're going to go a different direction. And then when it comes to Tennessee at four, we were talking about how is Tennessee going to get somebody for Kam Ward? And Jeremiah Love is already gone. And I wonder if Jeremiah Love was there for if Tennessee would have taken him. And but they instead had to just go with like, all right, I guess we're going to take Carnell Tate because Jeremiah Love is gone. We need to get Kam Ward somebody. And then just Arvell Reese happened to just be sitting there at five because of that.

Speaker 2:
[25:10] Dude, I like shit myself.

Speaker 4:
[25:12] I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 2:
[25:14] I was the best. Yeah. The draft should be every day.

Speaker 3:
[25:17] The draft is crazy fun.

Speaker 2:
[25:19] It's great. Other than Arvell Reese, what do you think was the best pick of the round, DK? First round.

Speaker 4:
[25:23] Yeah, let's do that. Best pick.

Speaker 3:
[25:24] The best overall pick.

Speaker 2:
[25:26] Other than Arvell Reese, which was obviously the best pick. Well, Ty Simpson. Can you believe Sean McPhee? I kind of can't get over Sean McPhee didn't want a quarterback in the first round, as if he isn't like a Super Bowl winning guru, can do whatever the fuck he wants. I just can't believe it.

Speaker 3:
[25:42] So this, I feel like this is just could have been on the Rams.

Speaker 2:
[25:45] I can't get it.

Speaker 4:
[25:46] Like when Devontae Adams has hamstring issues and who the hell knows what's going on with Puka? Like, it'd be nice to have Makai Lemon.

Speaker 3:
[25:52] Who's their wide receiver three right now? Jordyn Whittington?

Speaker 2:
[25:56] Isn't it instructive though about life? That even Sean McVay doesn't really get to pick the first. Like Sean McVay can just be like, I don't want a quarterback in the round of line.

Speaker 4:
[26:04] He gets home tonight and she's like, how was work? He's like, fucking my boss is an asshole.

Speaker 2:
[26:08] Quarterback one MVP is like, we had to get another one. It's, there's a lesson in there somewhere. Anyway.

Speaker 3:
[26:14] Yeah. So to me, to answer the question of who the best pick was, I don't know if there was one clear cut. This was the best pick.

Speaker 4:
[26:20] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[26:20] But it seems to happen every year.

Speaker 4:
[26:23] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[26:23] All right. Calm down.

Speaker 4:
[26:24] It's the Red Bull talking.

Speaker 3:
[26:25] Yeah. This seems to happen every year. The Ravens kind of just sit there. No one's thinking about them.

Speaker 4:
[26:33] There's a couple of teams that always just seems to overthink everything.

Speaker 3:
[26:36] And then some really good player lands in the Ravens lap. It just seems to happen every year.

Speaker 4:
[26:42] I feel like it's Philly, it's Baltimore, Dallas.

Speaker 3:
[26:45] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[26:45] Dallas always drafts well. There's always a few teams.

Speaker 2:
[26:47] Dallas getting Caleb Downs. Oh my God.

Speaker 3:
[26:49] Great pick.

Speaker 2:
[26:49] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[26:50] I mean, that's perfect for them.

Speaker 2:
[26:51] But the Ravens.

Speaker 3:
[26:52] The Ravens taking Vega Ioane, Ioane, I should say. Just perfect, I think, for a lot of reasons. Number one, he just feels like a Ravens type player. Super reliable, super tough, physical, going to kick you, like, he's a guard. He's a guard, offensive guard, which by the way, because the Bengals, this division rival, probably the greatest threat to the Ravens in the division. Sorry, not the Steelers. Although maybe, we'll see. But anyway, the Bengals obviously went and traded for Dexter Lawrence.

Speaker 4:
[27:22] The team that won the division last year is not the biggest threat?

Speaker 3:
[27:24] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[27:24] That beat them to win the division?

Speaker 2:
[27:26] Is there anyone who had more forgettable division titles than the Steelers?

Speaker 3:
[27:29] No. Yes, that's correct. Anyway, they went and traded for an elite defensive tackle, and after losing Tyler Lindnerbom, that's a huge question mark for the interior defensive line, our offensive line for the Ravens. And so I just thought, just rock solid, sort of storm of like we're just going to sit here and let a really good player fall to us. I think obviously he's a guard, so that's not as elite of a position in terms of value. But for what they want to do, it makes a lot of sense. Plus, you're going to open up run lanes for Derek Henry, going to give Lamar Jackson a little bit cleaner pocket. That was a huge issue for him last year. Took way more sacks than he normally takes. So to me, that was a great one.

Speaker 2:
[28:08] And then right after that, well, just on the Ravens thing, it's worth noting guard was the downfall of the Ravens last year. The Ravens went in with this experimental attempted guard where they had the biggest guard that's ever been a guard is Daniel Fellale at left guard. Yeah, he's like six foot eight and he's on the Giants now as a backup guard. And then Andrew Voorhees was the left guard and then he had a bunch of knee injuries or leg injuries early in his career and they tried to just take him and see if he could be an experiment. It was like a total experiment for a team that should win a Super Bowl and they paid the price because Lamar got hurt and everything was horrible. I mean, Ioane, he was second team All-American, but no sacks allowed, no holding flags the past two years. And that's from Dane.

Speaker 3:
[28:48] Just as reliable as you get.

Speaker 2:
[28:49] And he can play in any scheme.

Speaker 4:
[28:50] Plug and play immediately, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[28:51] And they signed John Simpson, so you have Derrick Henry running behind the guard. But yeah, the fact that the Ravens also got to pick between Ioane and then Rueben Bain and then they picked Ioane and then the Buccaneers gave Rueben Bain at 15 was also pretty crazy.

Speaker 3:
[29:02] I think on the broadcast, I don't remember who said it, but it was like in no world did they think that Rueben Bain was going to be there for the Buccaneers.

Speaker 4:
[29:09] I mean, a month ago, Rueben Bain was like the fourth pick in the draft.

Speaker 3:
[29:12] And obviously, look, there is the issue that he has with the shorter arms. There is the recent report that he was involved in that car accident when a person was killed. But I don't think anyone really thought he would fall this far in the draft. Fifteenth overall pick. I mean, this is a guy who was one of the most, if not the most, productive pass rusher in college football. He brings positional versatility. I think he could line up in sub-packages on the inside and just absolutely wreck shop against guards. He's powerful, tough, physical, explosive, really strong, good against the run. He can play every down.

Speaker 2:
[29:47] Yeah, so short, a good player.

Speaker 3:
[29:49] Just like this is another type of thing that Bucs tend to have happen to them. I feel like they just pick good trench players.

Speaker 2:
[29:55] So he, Ruben Bain was the he was named the top defensive end in college football last year. He led the entire college football and quarterback pressures. It's the most the guys had in college football in like almost 10 years, which the more college football playoff games they had, he played more games. He also played more snaps than anyone in college football. So it's weird because he led in all pressures, but was like 40th in pressure rate. But regardless, if you watch college football, he was the best defensive lineman. And yeah, shortest arms for an edge rusher in round one since at least 20 years.

Speaker 4:
[30:24] But all of those criticisms start to fade away when you're at the 15th pick.

Speaker 3:
[30:28] Right. In a draft like this especially. I mean, he was, I think, the biggest blue chip player left on the board there.

Speaker 2:
[30:34] And the other one that I just think was the best pick was the Cowboys rating, the Cowboys getting Caleb Downs with the 11th pick is unbelievable.

Speaker 4:
[30:42] Yeah, they swat picks with Miami basically to move up.

Speaker 2:
[30:44] Gave two fifth round picks to move from 12 to 11 and then got Caleb Downs. I just still think Caleb Downs is maybe the best defender in college football for two years in a row. I mean, he was a freshman. He was the first freshman to ever lead Alabama in tackles. I think he led Alabama in tackles by like 40 tackles.

Speaker 4:
[30:58] We were sitting there watching the Giants had the 10th pick. And if they had selected Caleb Downs, I think Heifetz would have sprouted Red Bull wings and flown off into the heavens. I wouldn't be here right now.

Speaker 2:
[31:08] I was, dude, I was about to spin off his planet.

Speaker 4:
[31:12] I thought it was going to be awesome. Reese and Downs, the Giants would have been really cool.

Speaker 2:
[31:17] I would have. I really would have.

Speaker 4:
[31:18] And they took Maui Noah, which is fine.

Speaker 2:
[31:20] It was just like vegetables. It was like a fine pick.

Speaker 3:
[31:22] Yeah, it's a good pick.

Speaker 2:
[31:22] I wanted a third Red Bull. But I mean, so Caleb Downs, so he's Josh Downs' younger brother, the receiver from the Colts. His uncle's Drabe Lye, who was always a great trade target in Madden.

Speaker 4:
[31:31] Great name, too.

Speaker 2:
[31:32] Drabe Lye, all time name. So Caleb Downs transferred to Ohio State save and retired, and he just immediately won a national championship. And I would argue maybe the best player on that national championship team, which between last year's draft and this year's draft, what, like over 20 guys are gonna draft?

Speaker 4:
[31:45] He's like the most competent college football player last year.

Speaker 2:
[31:48] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[31:49] He's the definition of a football player, you know what I mean? Because he's not the biggest guy, he's not the fastest guy or explosive guy or whatever. And those are the types of players that typically would go a little bit higher. But just instinctive, knows where to go, knows where the ball is going, can read the defense, can read the quarterback's eyes, recognizes route concepts, anticipates where he needs to be, undercuts routes, gets to the football. He can play the run, can play the pass, he can line up everywhere on the field. He's gonna start out, I think I heard he was gonna start out at Nickel. It's just like, his versatility and just pro maturity, I think is what really stands out.

Speaker 2:
[32:29] Mena Combs compared him to like Brian Branch and I do think he's, Caleb Downs is like a better Brian Branch. I would also say Caleb Downs reminds me of JSN, in that Jackson Smith and Jig, but when you watch college football when he was healthy, you're like, well, he's one of the better players I've ever seen. And then you go through the draft brain and you're like, he's not that fast. And it was like, how's he at football? Oh my God, he's incredible.

Speaker 3:
[32:48] Catches everything.

Speaker 2:
[32:49] He's like, you know what I mean? And then somehow JSN goes 20th and Downs going 11th reminds me of that in a bad draft that 10 guys go ahead of him.

Speaker 4:
[32:55] And of course Dallas, man. Dallas, they're good at drafting.

Speaker 3:
[32:59] Anybody can be good at drafting. It is funny being your players is the hard part.

Speaker 4:
[33:04] It is funny for how much shit and how much everybody makes fun of Dallas and they are like quietly awesome at drafting.

Speaker 2:
[33:09] Do you think Bill Clinton helped Jerry Jones make the pick?

Speaker 3:
[33:13] What is this? What world are we living in?

Speaker 2:
[33:15] We didn't talk enough that Jerry Jones saw Bill Clinton at... I thought this was AI when I first saw it. That Bill Clinton walked into Jerry's pre-draft press conference. Bill Clinton just walks in. And then Jerry gets up and actually falls. And then he stumbles, but he was going to fall and they caught him.

Speaker 3:
[33:31] I did not see that.

Speaker 4:
[33:31] He kind of caught himself in it. Someone had you out of the way. His leg kind of supported him. He was caught. Oh, it didn't look like it to me.

Speaker 3:
[33:40] Do we need to argue whether he fell or not?

Speaker 4:
[33:41] Should we use a Pruder film this?

Speaker 2:
[33:43] He almost fell into Bill Clinton and did a two-for-one. He almost traded that. Him and Bill Clinton almost just broke both their hips the day before the draft.

Speaker 3:
[33:50] What was Bill Clinton doing there?

Speaker 2:
[33:53] I think Arkansas owed Arkansas money.

Speaker 4:
[33:58] That's why he was there?

Speaker 2:
[33:59] I don't know why he was there, but I'm saying I think they go back 40 years. Oh, yeah, sure.

Speaker 4:
[34:03] But he's asking why was he there at that moment? I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[34:05] I've been waiting for someone to tell me this. I have no idea.

Speaker 3:
[34:08] Why is he at the fucking Cowboys' facility?

Speaker 4:
[34:09] Maybe he picked Caleb Downs.

Speaker 2:
[34:12] It's fucking crazy.

Speaker 4:
[34:13] What are we doing there?

Speaker 3:
[34:15] He wasn't like the headliner. He just came in.

Speaker 4:
[34:18] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[34:19] It wasn't even planned.

Speaker 4:
[34:20] You know what's funny is in my head, Bill Clinton is like ancient because he was the president before I was born. And he's still younger than Trump and Biden.

Speaker 2:
[34:28] It's fucking crazy.

Speaker 4:
[34:29] It's crazy.

Speaker 2:
[34:30] It's insane. Dude, Al Gore is younger than these people.

Speaker 4:
[34:32] It's wild. My head is like 98 years old.

Speaker 2:
[34:35] Oh my God.

Speaker 4:
[34:36] The other pick I want to shout out for one of the better picks of the first round. This is less sexy, but I just think the Browns did a good job. For the Browns, you're like, you know what, we got out of this. We'll get to the Jets. There are two franchises that I don't trust the most. It's Browns and the Jets. I thought the Browns actually did a decent job. They had the sixth pick. They traded out of it down to nine with the Chiefs. The Chiefs took Mansoor Delane in the corner. And the Browns at nine, they got a third and a fifth back from Kansas City. They went back to nine. And then they took Spencer Fano, who was the first tackle taken in the draft, who they probably would have just taken at six. So I thought that was nice that they basically still got to pick the first tackle in the draft at nine instead of six. And then at 24, the 24th pick, they had a second first round pick. They took Casey Concepci on the wide receiver, which DK, he's the third wide receiver on your board.

Speaker 3:
[35:23] I really liked him. I thought that was a great value for them.

Speaker 4:
[35:25] Yeah, it's like two things they needed. They needed a number one wide receiver. They needed a tackle and they were able to trade back and still get both of those.

Speaker 3:
[35:31] Yeah, two more picks.

Speaker 4:
[35:32] Yeah, very competent first round for the Browns.

Speaker 3:
[35:34] This is exactly the type of draft you would have expected a really analytics heavy front office to execute. And I think they've been all over the place. Like the trade for Deshaun Watson was just-

Speaker 4:
[35:47] You didn't like that one?

Speaker 3:
[35:48] No, that one didn't turn out. That one didn't age so well.

Speaker 4:
[35:51] You sure?

Speaker 3:
[35:51] We'll see. We didn't like it when it happened either for the record.

Speaker 4:
[35:54] Right.

Speaker 3:
[35:56] But yeah, I know. But to me, this was like exactly what you picture in your mind when you're like, oh, this is an analytics heavy front office is trade back, pick up extra picks, take more swings. They still got their top rank tackle. He was the first tackle off the board. He really good player. Also exactly what they needed.

Speaker 4:
[36:12] Go back to last year, like trading out of two to get an extra first round pick. The Travis Hunter Selection, they still got Mason Graham, a guy they probably would have taken anyway.

Speaker 2:
[36:19] Travis Hunter is going to be the best football player of all time, so that's probably a bad player.

Speaker 4:
[36:23] Jerry's still out. I mean, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[36:25] But yeah, so I agree with you, like just all things considered, Browns did a really good job. It's hard to get excited about the Browns, but that's a really solid step forward.

Speaker 4:
[36:32] They also took a defensive rookie of the year in the second round last year, like the Quincheon Judkens, like on the field seems to be like a very good player.

Speaker 3:
[36:40] Jogging around at OTAs.

Speaker 4:
[36:42] Judkens was awesome last year. I'm just saying, like the Browns in the last two years, have done really well.

Speaker 2:
[36:47] Pep Feeve is the object permanent. This is an annoying thing that I believe. When guys get hurt and then they just six months later are moving and everyone's like, dude, he's fine. What did you think he was doing? I just, it's not just you. It's just like Mahomes.

Speaker 3:
[37:01] I don't know. It really is stupid, yes. But like when you watch a guy move.

Speaker 4:
[37:06] They're going out there and they're playing catch.

Speaker 2:
[37:09] Mahomes, Mahomes just throwing a football.

Speaker 4:
[37:10] His legs are working. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[37:13] He's hitting shorts.

Speaker 4:
[37:14] You can jog with a torn ACL. You can jog with an ACL that.

Speaker 2:
[37:18] Chop it off the field.

Speaker 3:
[37:19] All right, that's fine.

Speaker 4:
[37:20] My dad tore his ACL when he was 39. Has yet to had surgery.

Speaker 3:
[37:23] Some people just don't need ACLs.

Speaker 4:
[37:24] He can still run and do stuff.

Speaker 2:
[37:26] OK, worst picks, a.k.a. bold strategy cotton.

Speaker 3:
[37:31] So, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[37:32] Who wants to go?

Speaker 3:
[37:33] I can start it off. I was really shocked when the Vikings at, what pick was it?

Speaker 2:
[37:38] Pick 18.

Speaker 3:
[37:39] Pick 18. And there's a lot of really good players on the board. Monroe Freeling is still on the board.

Speaker 4:
[37:43] A lot of guys are falling.

Speaker 3:
[37:44] A handful of the good receivers are still on the board.

Speaker 2:
[37:46] I know you wrote draft grades, but people need to know what college and position Monroe Freeling.

Speaker 3:
[37:49] Monroe Freeling from Georgia.

Speaker 4:
[37:50] Tackle.

Speaker 3:
[37:51] Tackle, who was, you know, a really, really highly rated guy, great athlete.

Speaker 4:
[37:55] Dillon Thienemann was still on the board.

Speaker 3:
[37:57] He was still there. He was really highly connected to them.

Speaker 4:
[37:58] Safety at Oregon.

Speaker 3:
[38:01] So several corners, I think people thought they might need some more.

Speaker 2:
[38:04] Did they take any of those really good players, the Vikings on the board?

Speaker 3:
[38:06] But instead, they took Caleb Banks, who, look, I understand the appeal and he's a defensive tackle out of Florida, a siren song, because he's 6'6, 327, moves really well. What did you say?

Speaker 4:
[38:17] I'm identifying who these people are.

Speaker 2:
[38:18] You've just been studying the draft for months. No one knows who Caleb Banks is. You need to give a position in the column.

Speaker 4:
[38:22] Yeah, I'm like the Tony Hale. You are?

Speaker 3:
[38:26] Yeah, this is him.

Speaker 2:
[38:28] He's like, wife or daughter, wife or daughter?

Speaker 4:
[38:31] Wife or daughter is the best game of all time.

Speaker 3:
[38:33] Anyway, Caleb Banks.

Speaker 4:
[38:37] Defensive tackler out of Florida.

Speaker 3:
[38:38] Thank you. Anyway, I think the potential is there. This is a really high variance, very risky play for the Vikings. I was surprised to see them do something like this. I thought Caleb Banks would probably be a second rounder, and that's, I think, what most people thought going to the draft, because he missed almost the entire 2025 season to a foot injury. He broke his foot in the preseason, tried to come back. Why do you have a shit-eating grin on your face? Heifetz is just staring at me. I'm thinking about Arvell.

Speaker 2:
[39:06] I'm thinking about Tony Hale and Veepe. I'm just thinking about him, just like, wife dot daughter, wife dot daughter.

Speaker 3:
[39:11] Anyway.

Speaker 2:
[39:12] Also, because he's 350 pounds, he broke his foot.

Speaker 3:
[39:14] Well, he's like 330.

Speaker 2:
[39:15] 330, and then he broke his foot again.

Speaker 3:
[39:17] He broke his foot at the combine.

Speaker 2:
[39:19] And he went 18th.

Speaker 3:
[39:21] And by the way, he ran really fast. He was like one of the most athletic defensive tackles we've ever seen on a broken foot.

Speaker 2:
[39:27] I feel like when defensive tackles have foot injuries, they just disappear. Think about Johnny Newton. What has he done for Washington?

Speaker 3:
[39:35] I mean, to me, and that's what this is exactly the point is, this is probably the riskiest, maybe the riskiest. I don't know, Ty Simpson maybe is a little bit more risky. But one of the riskiest picks in the first round, because big guys with foot injuries, there's not a great history there. And again, they're in that position where they could be in their window to compete right now. They wouldn't get Kyler Murray. There's people that have high expectations for this team. But to me, that was just a weird pick. Honestly, I thought he would be an early second rounder. That's a huge difference, I guess. But yeah, especially with all the people that were still on the board.

Speaker 2:
[40:13] It's worth remembering, the Vikings fired their general manager a few months ago, Kwasi Adolfo-Venza, and then Kevin O'Connell is the head coach there, and then they have an assistant GM. I don't know how much power it is, but it's worth remembering. I assume Kevin O'Connell has more power there than the interim general manager. And so this is kind of like a lot of... It's funny, because some teams are like what the Rams are doing, where even you think they're win now, but it's less need. The GM is like, we're going to think about the future even if we don't want to. And then there are teams where Dave Canales, the Panthers head coach, just says at the onus meeting and just refreshing on us, he's like, yeah, I really want to start, who can help us immediately and I don't really care about long term or value or anything. I want to start her. And that is how some teams think. And I think this is when coaches get involved, coaches want fucking starters. And I think that's what the Vikings did.

Speaker 3:
[40:56] But I mean, he's hurt. He's supposed to be ready for what it's worth. He's I saw a report that said he's supposed to he's on track to be on the field in June, which gives him plenty of leeway.

Speaker 4:
[41:08] But call me when he's jogging in a video.

Speaker 3:
[41:11] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[41:12] Or should I catch any other bold strategy cottons for you?

Speaker 4:
[41:16] I just want to kind of generally shout out the Jets because the Jets took three players in the first round. They traded in for a third at the end. They took David Bailey second instead of Arvell Reese.

Speaker 3:
[41:29] And that's going to be interesting to watch that those two players.

Speaker 2:
[41:32] Yeah, I think it was a little cowardly.

Speaker 4:
[41:34] Yeah, it's like the higher floor, safer pick.

Speaker 3:
[41:36] It's yeah, it's a coach in GM or I guess GM is new, but the coach feeling a lot of pressure to win right away.

Speaker 4:
[41:44] You think he was making that pick?

Speaker 2:
[41:46] I think but here's the thing. Do you feel like it isn't half the reason David Bailey's getting picked here is because he probably fits a little better with what Aaron Glenn wants to do? Or do you think that if Aaron Glenn gets fired, David Bailey fits with whatever the next coach would do? Either way, it's just a losing mentality to take at the number two pick for a lesser player, safer player that like, well, you're like, well, we'll probably screw them up anyway. Maybe there's some kind of profound self-awareness there. But it just feels like they're like, no, I don't want a Ferrari. I don't know how to drive it. I can't drive stick shift.

Speaker 3:
[42:14] I can't drive a stick. That's pretty good.

Speaker 2:
[42:15] So we can't get an Aston Martin. I don't know how.

Speaker 3:
[42:18] So yeah, the Bailey over Reese thing, that's going to be very interesting as we go along.

Speaker 4:
[42:24] Like if Arvell Reese is incredible through eight weeks, that's going to look really bad really quickly. Then they take Kenyon Sadiq, the tight end at Oregon, 16th overall, which was slightly puzzling because last year they took a tight end, 42nd overall Mason Taylor, who was pretty good and seems like a hit of a pick. It's like, okay, two tight end sets, stuff like that. Mason Taylor and Kenyon Sadiq are both more pass catching tight end. So it's like, how often are these guys going to be on the field? Are you picking a guy 16th overall who's not going to be a full-time player? And then they go on and they take another pass catcher, Nomar Cooper, at the end of the first. And it's like, you just took two wide receivers in the first round, basically, and you just took it. So I don't know. It's a little confusing to me what they're doing.

Speaker 2:
[43:09] Dude, I, JetSans are angry enough at me, but I would say this about any team. When you take two tight ends that are both kind of pass catching tight ends that also both kind of struggle to block. And like, I think Kenyon Sadiq is a willing blocker, but he's like the fastest tight end 40-yard dash in like 20 years or the fastest tight end since Vernon Davis. That's the idea. He's not that big. He's 6'4, 250, like DK. Like, when the Raiders do it for Brock Bowers, that's like, well, we can't not take Brock Bowers because we took Michael Maier. So he's just going to start over Michael Maier. He's better. This is more like, oh, we'll take two tight ends. We'll run two tight ends sets. Do you feel like that ever works? No, the team's like, we'll just do, we'll have two tight ends that we, and we'll play both of them. Like, I don't get it.

Speaker 3:
[43:51] It's usually not, I mean, like, there's two examples of it ever working or whatever. It was like Gronk and Aaron Hernandez, the convicted murderer.

Speaker 2:
[44:01] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[44:02] I like that name. Actually. Sorry, why? I was like, Jordyn Reid? That doesn't sound right. Sorry, Jordyn Reid.

Speaker 4:
[44:11] Who was it?

Speaker 2:
[44:13] What was his name again?

Speaker 3:
[44:14] It's late. I haven't had two Red Bulls.

Speaker 4:
[44:18] Three. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[44:19] Anyway, I should take that back. He's not a convicted murder anymore because actually he died during an appeal. So he actually was not. He was unconvicted, believe it or not.

Speaker 3:
[44:26] All right. Cool. No, but the point stands is, is there to me, it feels like there's redundancy there. So it's like either going to be one or the other. And so you're kind of giving up on you're giving up on the other guy, Taylor, and going with this. And I like, I don't know, they're not in that they're not. They're not in a place where they can be doing that. I feel like. I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[44:46] Maybe Kenyon Sadiq is awesome. I just also I don't like I don't love athletic tight ends. They're like, oh, it's just everyone's like, oh, he's going to be great. Like if he was in last year's draft, he would just he's not in the same class as Tyler Warren or no, not close enough. He's just not in the same caliber.

Speaker 3:
[45:01] I mean, the production was not there, which is a huge red flag.

Speaker 2:
[45:04] And he had the most touchdowns of any tight end college football last year. But it was like eight. And I'm like, OK, it's not like 15. Like, I don't know. I just feel like honestly, I don't think he was the best tight end on that Oregon team. Like a year from now, we're going to be talking about like Jamari Johnson's like a better tight end than him. I don't know. I don't want Kenyon Sadiq to be bad. I actually would love Garrett Wilson and Kenyon Sadiq and Omar Cooper could be good and Breezhal. But I don't know.

Speaker 3:
[45:25] Why would you draft at a receiver and a tight end in the first round?

Speaker 2:
[45:28] It's so scarcity. What's the deepest position in this entire draft? Maybe tight end?

Speaker 3:
[45:33] Well, probably a receiver.

Speaker 2:
[45:35] OK, I just I don't know why either way. Yeah, I don't know. I don't get it.

Speaker 3:
[45:39] Yeah. Also, I think with Sadiq, he's the type of guy who is probably going to need like a couple of years. You know what I mean? Like he's definitely the athleticism, the freakiness and speed, everything that he brings is there, but the production wasn't there. So the question is like, how does that translate? Is he going to be asked to be on the field every down? I think he probably could do that, but there's like a certain way that he can do it.

Speaker 4:
[46:05] I'm ready. I'll counter my own pick here. The Jets have three first-round picks in 2027. So in theory, we're looking at Arizona has like, wow, you have Jeremiah Love, you have Marvin Harrison, you have Trey McBride, you have no quarterback. The Jets are like, oh, you have Garrett Wilson, you have two tight ends you like, you have Breece Hall, you have now Omar Cooper, you have no quarterback, or Gino Smith. But maybe the Jets are like, fuck it, man, Sadiq was the highest guy on our board. We think he's awesome. We have three first-round picks next year. We feel very confident that we are going to get a quarterback. I'm like, let's just build the ship now so that when the quarterback steps in next season, he'll have people to work with.

Speaker 2:
[46:40] I don't have a problem with that. I don't really believe in Sadiq as much. Maybe he's awesome, maybe I'm totally wrong. Maybe he'll be fantastic. Because again, the Jets now have first-round pick of Garrett Wilson, first-round pick of Omar Cooper, first-round pick of Kenyon Sadiq, very high second-round pick of Mason Taylor, first-round left tackle, first-round right tackle. And then the interior guards aren't cheap either. They have... Well, the interior offensive line is now more of a question, but I mean, man, that's a lot of investment. So yeah, they better get a quarterback next year.

Speaker 3:
[47:07] Could have taken a corner at that spot. Sorry, taken or tooken. I was like, could have...

Speaker 2:
[47:12] Get your chain tooken?

Speaker 4:
[47:13] Could have tooken.

Speaker 2:
[47:15] Could have tooken. Anyway.

Speaker 4:
[47:16] I think it's could have tooken. You can tell it's late because that was not that funny. And everybody laughed.

Speaker 2:
[47:26] What was it last year where I laughed just like you said really hard? You're like, that's so awkward when someone laughs too hard at a joke.

Speaker 4:
[47:32] I think that was at this table. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[47:33] No, it was the other one.

Speaker 4:
[47:35] How was it?

Speaker 2:
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Speaker 4:
[48:14] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[48:15] So starting with Omar Cooper and Sadiq, Mm-hmm. Gino Smith.

Speaker 4:
[48:19] They're going to be low down the list, I think.

Speaker 2:
[48:21] I don't know.

Speaker 4:
[48:21] I mean, rookie tight ends in general, yeah, the Jets, there's now quietly like kind of a lot going on there. It's not like a Carnell Tate situation. Or even Jordyn Tyson where you're like, I know where the ball's going.

Speaker 2:
[48:33] Also, people are going to yell like, well, rookie titans have been better lately. Brock Bowers was one of the best tight end prospects ever. Kyle Pitts was also one of the best tight end prospects ever, whatever you think of him. And then Tyler Warren was, production wise, had one of the best seasons ever for a tight end. Like all those guys coming to college were completely outliers. And like Kenyon Sadiq is not like that. Otherwise, Carnell Tate to the Titans, one, I still kind of like, I called them Teeny Higgins. And I still kind of think that's the comp where it's like, probably one of the better number two receivers in the NFL. And it's kind of like what if T. Higgins was smaller and got the chance to be on the Titans with Ken Ward. I kind of like that. I still think Ken Ward has a lot of Matt Stafford to him where you throw. And I think Carnell Tate has a great catch radius.

Speaker 3:
[49:21] I just want to say, I love that the Titans did this. Did we not talk about it that much? The Titans fans are kind of mad at me for poo-pooing the whole Jeremiah Love thing for the last couple of months. I'm so glad it worked out this way for them. Jeremiah Love wasn't there for them, so they didn't have that choice to make. But I think they made the right move taking Carnell Tate. He was my top receiver by far. He was in his own tier by himself. And I think he is actually exactly what Ken Ward needs. He's really reliable, great hands. He wins combat catches. And Ken Ward is the type of guy who will throw the ball up and let his receivers do the work down the field. And he's going to be their number one receiver. I think he has the skill set and traits to be a number one receiver, even though he wasn't playing next to Jeremiah Smith.

Speaker 2:
[50:06] Yeah, I like this a lot. And I think he's also among the rookies for at least the first season. For redraft fantasy, he's probably the highest ranked guy. He's probably number one.

Speaker 3:
[50:15] I mean, yes, because let's just go down the list of receivers. Jordyn Tyson landed with the Saints. It's a pretty good landing spot.

Speaker 4:
[50:22] It's not bad. I mean, considering that a lot of is there, but I mean, there is literally nothing else. So it depends how much you believe in Tyler Schock. But like, you know, he's going to be like on the field every snap, the number two on the team.

Speaker 3:
[50:36] Yeah. And Kellen Moore has been a big proponent of running a lot of plays in like fantasy. The more plays you have, the better chances you have of scoring points. And so I think, I mean, just being in that offense, like it's gonna, I think he's probably going forward, wide receiver one in fantasy, don't you think? Like, do you think you would take him over him or Tate?

Speaker 4:
[50:57] Like in dynasty or the next year?

Speaker 3:
[50:58] For this next year.

Speaker 4:
[50:59] Probably Tate.

Speaker 2:
[51:01] Tate.

Speaker 3:
[51:02] Oh, okay.

Speaker 4:
[51:02] Tate and Redraft.

Speaker 3:
[51:03] Pretty close, I think.

Speaker 4:
[51:05] Yeah. I mean, also Jordyn Tyson, not the healthiest guy in the world. Chris Elavi, not the healthiest guy in the world. Like there's a lot of up in the air in New Orleans.

Speaker 2:
[51:12] That's true.

Speaker 3:
[51:13] So then going down the line, Makai Lemon landed with the Eagles. They traded up to grab him.

Speaker 2:
[51:17] I can't believe HE. Brown is just gone.

Speaker 3:
[51:19] We're gonna get to that.

Speaker 4:
[51:19] Let's linger on this though, Makai Lemon and the Eagles.

Speaker 2:
[51:21] Wait, sorry, you gotta.

Speaker 4:
[51:23] Right.

Speaker 3:
[51:24] He did this again, by the way.

Speaker 2:
[51:25] He did do it again.

Speaker 4:
[51:27] It's just in his DNA. He's 1% snake. He's shifty. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[51:30] 1% snake.

Speaker 4:
[51:32] So the Steelers had the 21st pick. The 20th pick was on the clock and it was Dallas. Apparently Pittsburgh, this was reported after the draft, apparently Pittsburgh was on the phone with Lemon.

Speaker 3:
[51:42] No, Lemon said it.

Speaker 4:
[51:43] Yeah, oh, Lemon said it. Steelers were on the phone with him being like, we're gonna take you at 21. And then the Eagles trade up with Dallas, their division rival trade up to 20, swoop in and take Makai Lemon, which I'm fine with, but it did sting a little bit. I was like, oh, even though I wasn't the biggest Makai Lemon guy, I'm like, fuck. Steelers never do shit like that. He would be kind of perfect for what they eat. I know, it's like he's kind of differentiates the styles of DK. Metcalf and Pittman and Lemon would have been cool. But now, so now in Philly, you have AJ Brown and Devontae Smith, you have Makai Lemon, they brought in Devontaevian Wicks. This all but confirms that AJ Brown is gone.

Speaker 2:
[52:18] AJ Brown is going to get traded after the June 1st deadline of the Patriots. Yes. He's going to get traded.

Speaker 4:
[52:23] Now it's an interesting group. Like AJ Brown worked for Jalen Hurts because he's like really good down the side. He's this big body. And it's like, yeah, throw it up to him. Makai Lemon is more like an over the middle of the field guy. And now you have Devontae Smith, who's like a very specific build at Wide Receiver. You have Makai Lemon.

Speaker 2:
[52:40] Well, he's good down field, but I agree. I mean, Devontae, I mean, he should, yeah, the Super Bowl.

Speaker 4:
[52:45] It's an interesting collection of people for Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 3:
[52:48] 100%.

Speaker 4:
[52:48] I don't know.

Speaker 3:
[52:49] That was the first thing when he got drafted, you said, was how does he fit into this offense? Because they don't really pass over the middle of field.

Speaker 4:
[52:55] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[52:55] Well, they're going to try to get Jalen Hurts to pass over the middle of field.

Speaker 3:
[52:58] I would say I think Lemon could do some of the stuff. It's going to be interesting to see kind of how they deploy him. But I do think, I'm thinking of AJ Brown, his deployment. I know his was more from an exposition, but...

Speaker 2:
[53:10] We're in an act of war. We can't just say deployment.

Speaker 3:
[53:13] The way that he was utilizing the offense. I can't say it. I'm sorry.

Speaker 4:
[53:17] People will get confused.

Speaker 3:
[53:18] Right.

Speaker 2:
[53:20] It's late. You just said, his deployment.

Speaker 4:
[53:22] People will think AJ Brown's in Iran right now. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[53:25] I don't want that.

Speaker 4:
[53:25] You don't want that.

Speaker 3:
[53:26] OK. Sorry. The way that he was utilizing the offense, where he went on the field. Would you go run over there and get on the right side? He was running slant like, you know, he'll get off the line, run a slant, they'll throw a slant to him and then run after the catch.

Speaker 4:
[53:39] Yeah. But AJ Brown's fucking huge. Right.

Speaker 3:
[53:41] But I think in different ways, Makai Lemon lining up in the slot could do a lot of that type of stuff. We saw that a lot when he was at USC, where he was catching the ball, running after the catch, creating after the catch because he's really, you know, he turns into like a running back after the catch.

Speaker 4:
[53:56] But what I do think- What did you grade this? You graded it a B.

Speaker 3:
[53:58] I think it's because I think it's-

Speaker 2:
[53:59] We should have been doing these grades.

Speaker 3:
[54:00] It's one of those things where, are they doing this because they want to help Jalen Hurts do better over the middle of the field? I think that's kind of like-

Speaker 4:
[54:09] Or was it like, we're getting rid of AJ Brown and this guy's the best receiver on our board?

Speaker 2:
[54:12] I think that Howie Roseman doesn't own a draft receiver. He's just like, fuck it, they're throwing darts at our board. I do think it's about getting over the middle of the field. I got to tell you, I didn't think I would like Makai Lemon as much as I did. I won the bullet to call for best receiver in the country. I don't think I care about that anymore.

Speaker 4:
[54:27] After the Jalen Hyatt value sheet. Once I read the last 15 winners and like five of them worked, you're like, ah.

Speaker 2:
[54:33] But what I do like though is, so again, Dane Brugler had a lot of these stats of The Beast, which is the most comprehensive document I've ever seen about football.

Speaker 4:
[54:39] I really enjoyed his article where he like attached movie quotes.

Speaker 3:
[54:42] Yeah, that was fun.

Speaker 2:
[54:43] Yeah, shout out to Dane for that. I still can't believe Dane Brugler ranked like 40 kickers. Yeah. Jesus.

Speaker 3:
[54:49] Sicko behavior.

Speaker 2:
[54:50] It's real concern for him. Moon Sullivan is 48th ranked kicker.

Speaker 4:
[54:54] No kicker in the first round.

Speaker 2:
[54:56] No.

Speaker 3:
[54:57] No, darn.

Speaker 2:
[54:57] But Dane had this stat.

Speaker 4:
[54:59] Busted my parlay.

Speaker 2:
[54:59] Makai Lemon had he led all college football in first downs and he also were the first on catches. And he also was the only big 10 player with 500 yards after the catch. And I also just liked it. So Makai Lemon played cornerback in high school and his freshman year at USC. And I like I think you could see that in his game. Makai Lemon has talked about how he thinks playing cornerback even for like a limited time in college lets he under he's a better idea of like what cornerbacks are trying to do and then he sits in zones. And so it's like the only issues with Makai Lemon's game are his size and the lack of like an elite top gear at speed. But like how many times do we need to see that receivers don't need elite. Justin Jefferson does not have like elite speed like Jackson Smith and Jigma does not have like an elite top gear. They're still wide open all the time. Makai Lemon is a smaller guy. I mean, he compares himself to Manra. But everything that you want to see really gets open. His route running is great. His hands are unbelievable. He's incredible after the catch. He doesn't go down easily. He knows how to find slots and he blocks his ass off. And I'm like, this is everything you want a football player. He's just not in like the perfect Calvin Johnson body. But I'm like, I'm pissed that he went to the Eagles.

Speaker 4:
[56:02] It's like the Steelers show on it.

Speaker 3:
[56:04] That's pretty that's brutal. Can you imagine being in the Steelers war room and just sorry, their draft room?

Speaker 4:
[56:09] Thank you. Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 3:
[56:11] And having that happen, they're literally talking to the guy they're about to on the phone.

Speaker 2:
[56:16] That's that is that it's actually embarrassing that they call them and they're just like, yeah, yeah, like there's no like it's kind of pathetic.

Speaker 3:
[56:23] Kind of pathetic.

Speaker 4:
[56:23] It's a tough beat. I know that's pathetic, but like they're just doing what they're supposed to do.

Speaker 2:
[56:28] You talk about jinxing it, like you're just calling the guy.

Speaker 4:
[56:30] What else do you do?

Speaker 2:
[56:31] You wait for I don't know, wouldn't you wait for the other pick to be in?

Speaker 3:
[56:36] It is a little bit like how common is that? It's like I'm sure it's very common. Yeah, you have to get a little head of it.

Speaker 2:
[56:41] I just assumed that they would know. I guess I just assumed when they call the guys that they know that the team ahead of them is not calling the guy.

Speaker 4:
[56:49] Yeah, I would. Yeah, I see your point. I don't know, but I don't know how common that is just because of like you want to get ahead of it.

Speaker 2:
[56:55] Maybe, but it's just the idea that you're every time I've ever seen a player on the phone with them, I just kind of assumed they're like, yeah, the team that's calling is on the clock hasn't been picked yet. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4:
[57:04] So OK, fantasy-wise, so we have Carnell Tate, we think this year is the number one guy in redraft.

Speaker 3:
[57:10] We'd probably say him or Jordyn Tyson, I'd say.

Speaker 4:
[57:12] And is Makai Lemon not in that conversation for you?

Speaker 2:
[57:15] What do we do with Jalen Hurts?

Speaker 4:
[57:16] Let's say AJ Brown's gone.

Speaker 2:
[57:17] But Jalen Hurts can be an under center offense.

Speaker 4:
[57:19] If AJ Brown's gone.

Speaker 3:
[57:20] I'm still a little bit worried about the volume. The volume issue is like.

Speaker 2:
[57:23] What do we do with the Eagles offense?

Speaker 4:
[57:24] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[57:25] And then you have the fact that he doesn't really fit what they've done and where Jalen Hurts likes to throw the football.

Speaker 4:
[57:31] You have Omar Cooper on the Jets, and then we have Casey Concepcion to the Browns, and we should give him his own award of like, I'll see you in three years, buddy.

Speaker 2:
[57:37] Gone but not forgotten, Casey.

Speaker 4:
[57:39] Good luck.

Speaker 2:
[57:40] Best of luck. Loved your tape.

Speaker 4:
[57:41] Such a bummer.

Speaker 2:
[57:43] I'm making a pact with myself right now. There's no chance I'm drafting Casey Concepcion. If he's happy, I'll be so, every time he catches a pass, I'll be so happy for him and I will, there's no chance.

Speaker 4:
[57:53] So we think it goes.

Speaker 2:
[57:54] Fantasy wasteland.

Speaker 4:
[57:55] Tate, Tyson, who's three?

Speaker 2:
[57:59] With Gino, I actually kind of trust Gino to get Mark Cooper the ball more than Chris Lemon.

Speaker 3:
[58:04] Maybe. It's kind of a sneaky one. I like that.

Speaker 4:
[58:10] Can I make the case for Casey Concepcion and say-

Speaker 2:
[58:12] Get the fuck out.

Speaker 3:
[58:13] No, I don't. You could.

Speaker 4:
[58:16] Can I hit you with the, someone's got to catch the ball in this offense. I know they have Harold Fan and other people.

Speaker 2:
[58:21] You're going to have a clear with the Browns receiver?

Speaker 4:
[58:23] It's not like the fucking jet situation is fantastic.

Speaker 2:
[58:26] Well, at least they don't have a lake effect affecting. Even if you have a Browns receiver and they're good, and then you turn on the Browns game in December, you're like, oh, yeah, right. They're on Lake Erie. And this is.

Speaker 4:
[58:36] It's funny is I'll probably just slot in at the number three spot wherever Denzel Boston lands, take him at three. OK.

Speaker 2:
[58:42] Highest upside picks of the draft. I want to start, honestly, Washington getting Sonny Stiles at linebacker.

Speaker 3:
[58:48] I kind of flew under the radar a little.

Speaker 2:
[58:50] I love Sonny Stiles. I think I lost my love for him when people kept saying the Giants would get him only because I'm like, I just signed Tremaine Edmonds to like 12 million a year. I don't know why. We're going to also spend the fifth pick on a linebacker. Sonny Stiles is awesome and what the NFC is just getting all these Ohio State guys. Downs went to the Dallas Cowboys, the Giants got Arvell Reese, almost got Downs. Then Washington getting Sonny Stiles. He's a perfect successor to Bobby Wagner. I think that's frustratingly exactly what Washington needed.

Speaker 4:
[59:15] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[59:16] But what do you think is the highest upside pick other than Arvell Reese to the Giants?

Speaker 3:
[59:22] The Stiles one is great. The Chiefs one that I thought was interesting in the late part of the draft was Peter Woods. Because again, going back to-

Speaker 2:
[59:29] Defense attacker from Clemson.

Speaker 3:
[59:31] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[59:31] Shia Loo.

Speaker 3:
[59:32] Shia Loo.

Speaker 2:
[59:33] Wife not daughter, wife not daughter. No, daughter not wife. No, wife not daughter.

Speaker 3:
[59:38] Yeah. Going back to coming into this college season, there were some people that thought he could be a top five pick.

Speaker 4:
[59:44] Mudeeb.

Speaker 3:
[59:45] Yeah. Yeah. Little desert mouse.

Speaker 4:
[59:49] They're calling him Mudeeb.

Speaker 3:
[59:51] Nasty women.

Speaker 4:
[59:53] They call him Listen, O'Gabe.

Speaker 3:
[59:56] By the way, I compared him to Shy-O-Lude is why Craig is doing that.

Speaker 4:
[59:59] Yeah. The desert sandworms from Dune. A movie I saw the first seven minutes of Dune 3.

Speaker 3:
[60:05] He likes to chase the rhythmic footsteps of a quarterback into the pocket. Yeah. Anyway, yeah. He, to me, is one of the more fascinating first-round. Should I even keep going?

Speaker 4:
[60:14] Yeah, you should. No, this is actually-

Speaker 3:
[60:17] At this point, I'm like, do I have to say this?

Speaker 4:
[60:19] No, keep going, please.

Speaker 3:
[60:20] He's a defensive tackle. He could be good. He moves really well and put him next to the Chris Jones, maybe.

Speaker 4:
[60:27] Sure.

Speaker 3:
[60:27] You could see something happened there.

Speaker 4:
[60:28] Yeah. Very high upside pick. That is the definition of a high upside pick.

Speaker 3:
[60:32] Thanks, Craig.

Speaker 4:
[60:33] Mine would probably be, I think this is less high upside than Sunny Styles and Peter Woods, but I just liked the Bears getting Dillon Thienemann's safety out of Oregon so late. He went 25th. The Bears lost both of their safeties, the Jirquan Briskir and Kevin Byard, and so now they have Kobe Bryant, not the Lakers player, Kobe Bryant.

Speaker 2:
[60:54] We're in an act before.

Speaker 4:
[60:58] But Kobe Bryant and Dillon Thienemann, which DK, your comp for him was Shades of Jirquan Briskir, the guy they literally just lost. I just feel like he's a really versatile, great safety, he was awesome at Oregon and the Bears just getting him at 25 was a fantastic pick.

Speaker 3:
[61:12] I just remember Briskir towards the end of the season was having some incredible performances.

Speaker 2:
[61:15] Dude, that Packers game, he's dominating.

Speaker 3:
[61:17] Basically, he could line him up in the slot, you can line him up deep.

Speaker 4:
[61:20] What team did he land on?

Speaker 3:
[61:21] Yeah, where is he?

Speaker 2:
[61:22] He went to the Steelers.

Speaker 4:
[61:24] That's right, baby.

Speaker 3:
[61:25] Oh, okay.

Speaker 4:
[61:26] Hey-o!

Speaker 3:
[61:26] Anyway, yeah, he, just the versatility, coverage, playing the run, coming down into the box and blitzing.

Speaker 4:
[61:35] He's gonna do a little bit of everything.

Speaker 3:
[61:36] Yeah, and he's really fast, instinctive. I really like that pick. I feel like that was one of the low-key just best picks of the round.

Speaker 2:
[61:46] Yeah, that was, I'm shocked Carolina didn't take him. That was responsible and boring of the Panthers to just take Monroe freely. They got left to Akaleta, Georgia. And I think they were kind of shocked.

Speaker 3:
[61:56] I wonder if they thought he was even gonna be there. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[61:59] I love, I love also every team just says that. They're like, I can't believe he was here. Just 26 picks in a round.

Speaker 4:
[62:04] Sometimes it's true though, yeah. Who are the most, what were your favorite, like boring, responsible, go home to your wife picks? Where, like the Steelers.

Speaker 2:
[62:14] Did you sing about the Patriots?

Speaker 4:
[62:16] The Steelers taking out like a tackle. I was like, I want a Thienemann or Denzel Boston or someone cool. And I'm like, eh.

Speaker 3:
[62:22] Yeah, I mean, that was, that's actually a good one. And Craig's reaction live to that pick was like, you get up by the TV, you're all excited.

Speaker 4:
[62:30] Heart rates up.

Speaker 3:
[62:31] And then it's Max Hennichor and you're like, okay.

Speaker 4:
[62:34] I'm like, yeah, look, I've been shitting on Roger Jones for two years. Like this is probably good.

Speaker 2:
[62:39] Fine.

Speaker 4:
[62:39] I mean, he is probably also somebody who fits in the prior category, which is high upside and like kind of a low floor because this guy just hasn't played a ton of football. And so.

Speaker 2:
[62:49] Dude, he's played very little football.

Speaker 4:
[62:50] But he's extremely like physically gifted. So.

Speaker 2:
[62:54] Well, we say all the time, like not a lot of football. He didn't his high school didn't even have football.

Speaker 3:
[62:58] He didn't play high school football.

Speaker 2:
[62:59] He went to Juco to play football.

Speaker 3:
[63:01] And he started out, he thought he was going to be a tight end.

Speaker 4:
[63:03] We're talking about Max Ionachor.

Speaker 2:
[63:06] Ionachor.

Speaker 4:
[63:07] Ionachor. Yes. Anyway.

Speaker 3:
[63:09] Yeah. I thought that was a good pick. And then they're going to move Troy Faltano to the left side, I think.

Speaker 4:
[63:14] Probably. Because this guy's only played right tackle.

Speaker 3:
[63:17] And Faltano played left tackle in college.

Speaker 4:
[63:19] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[63:20] So I mean, it's good. You got to address that because there's a big need for the Steelers. Probably the biggest need for the Steelers.

Speaker 4:
[63:25] To protect our 42 year old quarterback, who definitely, hopefully, maybe not covered.

Speaker 2:
[63:31] I still think Roger's just refusing to tell them is like the funniest thing. We haven't talked about enough. I think Roger's just the consistency with which Aaron Rogers has decided to mirror the end of Brett Favre's career is unbelievable. Right down to playing for the Jets after 15 years of the Green Bay and then just holding the team fucking hostage every year, just not telling them if you're going to play or not.

Speaker 3:
[63:55] I saw some report that he's mad that they're talking about him.

Speaker 2:
[63:58] Oh yeah, he's like pissed. He's like, why do people keep bringing my name into this?

Speaker 3:
[64:01] Keep their name out of your mouth.

Speaker 4:
[64:03] It's like, well, they don't have any fucking quarterbacks right now, buddy.

Speaker 3:
[64:05] We're fucking got to talk about you.

Speaker 4:
[64:06] Do you think that Tomlin leaving now that it's fucking McCarthy, his ex-wife, do you think he's just like, yeah, who cares? If it was Tomlin, he's like, I respect Tomlin so much. I would have told him, but now that it's McCarthy, he's like, I let him sweat.

Speaker 3:
[64:18] Yeah, a little.

Speaker 2:
[64:20] Yeah, a little, not no. I felt the exact same way about what you described about the Steelers taking a tackle as the Giants taking Francis Marino at 10. I was standing in front of the TV.

Speaker 3:
[64:30] Fine, it's a good pick.

Speaker 2:
[64:31] All I wanted was Caleb Downs with every fiber of my being. I wanted the Giants to take Caleb Downs and they took Francis Marino. I'm like, you know what, eat your vegetables. You know, they need a tackle. I like that they took a tackle.

Speaker 3:
[64:43] When the Seahawks took Gray Zabel last year, I had the exact same reaction. I was like, I got guard.

Speaker 2:
[64:47] I think he should have won offensive rookie of the year.

Speaker 3:
[64:49] And then he actually was very integral to fixing the Seahawks offense.

Speaker 2:
[64:54] He should have won offensive rookie of the year. And honestly, Nick Edmund-Warre should have won defensive rookie of the year for the Seahawks. But yeah, Marino, he was the number one tackle in his high school class. He was a consensus first team All-American. He allowed two sacks the last two seasons. 99, again, Dane Bergler had this stat at the Beast. Ninety nine and a half percent of Francis Marino's college snaps were at right tackle. And basically all of his snaps in high school were at right tackle except the senior year. So he's basically only played right tackle really except the senior year of high school. And the Giants signed Jermaine Elminor at these 32 years old to another two year extension. But I like that the Giants didn't be like, well, we have a 32 year old right tackle, so we can't take. I like that whether Marino goes to guard or Elminor is played guard goes to guard, whatever happens, like, you're protecting a 42 year old quarterback, the Giants are protecting their 24 year old quarterback, like, there you go. Good business.

Speaker 4:
[65:42] Both equally as likely to get injured.

Speaker 2:
[65:44] That's, well, if Rogers doesn't play, he can't get hurt.

Speaker 4:
[65:47] That's true. Rogers didn't get hurt last year.

Speaker 2:
[65:55] Yeah, let's just go home to your wife. The other one I want to shout out for going home to your wife is the Buffalo Bills, who traded back. Did they trade back three different times in this draft?

Speaker 4:
[66:02] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[66:02] They're like, we're just not gonna take anybody.

Speaker 2:
[66:05] Well, I have to say, everyone hated this draft. Everyone's like, well, there's only 11 good players or whatever, blah, blah, blah, and there's no difference between the 15th player and the 15th player in the draft. The only team that acted like it was Buffalo, who just traded back and completely recouped the not second round pick, but the 60th overall choice they sent to Chicago for DJ. Moore. And then the Bills just basically picked it all up, and they basically ended up, I think, more or less, if you boil down all the trades, they basically turned the 26 pick to like, they moved back 10 spots, and they ended up getting like another third rounder, basically. Like, there was a, I forget the exact net of the trade, but they did great.

Speaker 4:
[66:41] Very responsible. When do we mention Fernando Mendoza? Is it even worth it?

Speaker 3:
[66:45] Oh, right, the first overall pick?

Speaker 4:
[66:47] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[66:47] Good value. I don't know. I feel like everyone knows.

Speaker 4:
[66:51] I know. It's like, I just wanted to say it. That we know that he went once.

Speaker 2:
[66:54] We're aware he went first. Yes.

Speaker 3:
[66:56] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[66:57] Honestly, the most entertaining moment I had with Mendoza all night was just realizing his ringtone.

Speaker 3:
[67:02] Oh, God. So great.

Speaker 4:
[67:04] It's what you expect it would be.

Speaker 2:
[67:06] Ringtone.

Speaker 3:
[67:07] You gonna play it?

Speaker 2:
[67:08] Oh, wait. Oh, let me see if I can find it. Craig, can you reenact it?

Speaker 4:
[67:14] No, I'm trying to remember it specifically. It's like a cartoonish horn.

Speaker 2:
[67:19] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[67:21] He's like getting the call from the Raiders that he's the pick. That's like a Tom and Jerry cartoon sound effect.

Speaker 3:
[67:26] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[67:27] It's like somebody tiptoeing across like, you know.

Speaker 2:
[67:29] How is that Mendoza's ringtone?

Speaker 4:
[67:31] I just can't believe it.

Speaker 3:
[67:32] It's just insanely on brand.

Speaker 4:
[67:33] We believe that? Is that real?

Speaker 3:
[67:34] I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[67:35] Oh, I should have checked.

Speaker 4:
[67:36] Probably fucking not.

Speaker 2:
[67:36] I think so.

Speaker 3:
[67:37] Whatever.

Speaker 2:
[67:37] No, yes, because the video is from Indiana football. This is the official Indiana football account. Posting this. Wait, one more time. It's so funny. It does sound like Tom and Jerry.

Speaker 4:
[67:50] It does.

Speaker 2:
[67:52] Oh, my God.

Speaker 4:
[67:53] But yes, the Raiders took him.

Speaker 2:
[67:54] Oh, yeah, he went first. He's the first pick.

Speaker 4:
[67:56] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[67:56] He's good.

Speaker 3:
[67:57] That was the pick I got in my mock draft, right? You know? So that was cool.

Speaker 4:
[68:02] Should we talk about that? Our mock drafts?

Speaker 3:
[68:04] Sure.

Speaker 4:
[68:05] How'd you do?

Speaker 3:
[68:07] Not very well.

Speaker 2:
[68:08] Was it mock 1.0 or mock 2.0? On the way over here, we were talking about how 1.0 is the funniest thing.

Speaker 4:
[68:14] Mock draft 1, 1.0.

Speaker 3:
[68:15] Can we do like a 1.1? No, my real final mock draft, which I published on an actual website.

Speaker 4:
[68:23] OK.

Speaker 3:
[68:23] I didn't do as bad as the one that Austin made me do right before the show or right before the draft started, where he was like, look, let's just put together a top 10.

Speaker 4:
[68:31] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[68:32] And I got Fernando Mendoza right.

Speaker 4:
[68:34] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[68:38] That's all guess wrong on our next 30. I guess wrong on Arvell Reese and the rest is history.

Speaker 2:
[68:43] Yeah, it was a batting average. You would be cut from single a baseball. OK. Logs log, which again, you maybe explain who does always forget. Is it Brian Regan?

Speaker 3:
[68:54] Brian Regan. I saw two log trucks going by each other in opposite directions on the road the other day, and I was like, well, if they need logs and they need logs, why don't we keep going? Phone call could have saved a lot of trouble.

Speaker 2:
[69:09] So offensive lineman log, log. The Dolphins took Caden Proctor, left tackle from Alabama with the 12th pick. They moved back with Dallas ending up two fifths rounders and took Caden Proctor. I thought it was good. I mean, Caden Proctor. My question for Caden Proctor has been, so let me get this straight. He's like the biggest guy in the draft. He's like 6'7 or 6'8 and then 350 pounds. Has had weight issues, but he's also a crazy athlete. Has like three catches, like 20 rushing yards or whatever.

Speaker 3:
[69:34] He moves way better than you think a 350 pound man.

Speaker 2:
[69:38] So why is he not the best tackle in the class if he's the best size and the best athlete?

Speaker 3:
[69:42] Some people might think he is. I don't personally. I thought he struggled. What?

Speaker 2:
[69:47] I haven't seen anyone say he's the best tackle.

Speaker 3:
[69:48] Mike Renner had him as his number one.

Speaker 2:
[69:50] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[69:50] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[69:51] So how about that?

Speaker 2:
[69:52] One for 32.

Speaker 3:
[69:52] Go fuck yourself. So but yeah, I mean, the question is, I think Kenny Handel's speed on the outside. I thought that was like a huge issue. He was one of those where he would have really dominant reps and then wildly unsuccessful reps against guys. And you're like, Jesus Christ, this guy needs to play guard.

Speaker 2:
[70:08] Caden Proctor had one of those things that was just like a little too honest where he was like Tyler Booker, who's a guard at Bama, who got drafted by the Cowboys. He was like, Tyler Booker called me and told me that all the NFL teams love my tape, but they're really concerned about my weight. And they're like, I really have. He went on a weight plan. And you know what they call him? Kaden Proctor. This is one of those things like you can't admit these things. They called him, oh no, fuck, I lost.

Speaker 3:
[70:30] Oh, I can't remember.

Speaker 2:
[70:31] No, he's called Crispy, I think. Cause he loved Crispy Cream.

Speaker 3:
[70:35] Oh, that's tough.

Speaker 2:
[70:36] They need to cut Crispy Cream out.

Speaker 3:
[70:37] Well, Saban said something like that. Saban, I saw this on Twitter, someone quoting it. Saban had said something on the broadcast over four that was not the best thing. Basically, you gotta keep him in the building and keep him focused and not... If he gets outside the building or whatever, he's gonna gain weight. Basically, he was saying, this was a problem.

Speaker 2:
[71:00] Dude, all the packages when Bama would throw him the ball was called Crispy, cause he ate so many fucking donuts. But then Tyler Booker called him and was like, you actually have to stop eating donuts.

Speaker 4:
[71:09] They only designed those plates for him because they burned more calories.

Speaker 3:
[71:14] Gotta get his cardio right.

Speaker 4:
[71:15] Oh my God.

Speaker 2:
[71:16] But yes, the Dolphins took him. They also took Chris Johnson, quarterback from, I'm forgetting, San Diego State. Goddamn right.

Speaker 4:
[71:23] First round corner. No big deal. Dolphins straight up for him.

Speaker 3:
[71:25] I really wanted the Seahawks to take him.

Speaker 4:
[71:27] Yeah. Best of luck in Miami, Chris. Going from San Diego to Miami, living the fucking dream.

Speaker 3:
[71:32] I also...

Speaker 4:
[71:34] Dude, that guy, do you think... He's never seen a cloudy day.

Speaker 2:
[71:38] No adversity. I got to... Kaden Proctor grew up in Iowa. Iowa to Miami, that's pretty sweet. I know he went to Alabama, but Iowa to Miami pipeline, it's pretty sweet.

Speaker 4:
[71:47] I was going to give it to Chris Johnson, stayed at SDSU for all four years, went in first round, the portal.

Speaker 3:
[71:52] He didn't want to leave San Diego.

Speaker 2:
[71:53] I was going to say, who goes to San Diego?

Speaker 3:
[71:55] The greatest city in the world, according to Craig.

Speaker 2:
[71:57] Oh, dude.

Speaker 4:
[71:58] And to Ron Burgundy.

Speaker 3:
[72:01] What's it mean?

Speaker 4:
[72:03] Scholars maintain that the translation was lost years ago.

Speaker 3:
[72:10] We were quoted.

Speaker 4:
[72:10] I think it means St. Diego. No.

Speaker 2:
[72:13] It was like, you can't possibly be right.

Speaker 3:
[72:15] A whale's vagina. Then she's like, there's no way that's correct.

Speaker 4:
[72:18] I wonder how many different phrases that Will Fell improvised in that scene. And he went with a whale's vagina.

Speaker 3:
[72:23] Craig pulled out of There's No Way That's Correct to us last night.

Speaker 4:
[72:26] What were we talking about?

Speaker 3:
[72:27] Heifetz had the hiccups. By the way, it sounded like a drunken sailor.

Speaker 4:
[72:31] We're driving home from dinner in the car. Heifetz is in the backseat, fucking burping left and right with his hiccups.

Speaker 3:
[72:38] We're trying to ask him questions.

Speaker 4:
[72:39] He was like, you have like one beer. What's the problem here?

Speaker 3:
[72:44] It was like, freaking dude, you sound like you're about to die back there.

Speaker 4:
[72:47] Explain the video. Can you actually just play the video?

Speaker 3:
[72:52] Basically, I saw something on Instagram that was basically-

Speaker 4:
[72:57] It's a remedy for him.

Speaker 2:
[72:57] You're like, you're hyphid to do this.

Speaker 3:
[72:59] A host of a podcast had the hiccups and she was like, fuck, I have the hiccups. Do you have any good remedies for that? She was like, say, TTDDCCA.

Speaker 4:
[73:09] She did it and it fucking worked. DDDDCCACACACA and I'm like, there's just no way that's correct.

Speaker 3:
[73:16] Craig's like, there's no way that's correct.

Speaker 4:
[73:18] There's simply no way that's correct.

Speaker 3:
[73:19] You said, there is simply no way that works.

Speaker 4:
[73:22] That's a prank.

Speaker 3:
[73:25] I was like, I really wanted it to work.

Speaker 4:
[73:27] Yeah, that's just old school fashion. I've been waiting to test it out on somebody.

Speaker 3:
[73:30] Yeah, got me. There's absolutely, there's simply no way that works.

Speaker 4:
[73:35] What are we talking about? Just going cock, cock, cock, I do, do, do, do.

Speaker 2:
[73:38] I'm like, what the are you saying? I hated the way I was doing it. You hated the way I was saying it.

Speaker 3:
[73:44] I said, say, T, T, whatever the fuck the words were. And he was like, T, T, cock, cock, D, D.

Speaker 4:
[73:51] Like freaking psycho. I'm like the guy in Dumb and Dumber. I'm like, guys, guys.

Speaker 3:
[73:57] This is the vacay.

Speaker 4:
[73:58] You want to hear the most annoying sound in the world? Can we maybe play the radio? You should have called an Uber. Why did I drive you home? Mock. Draft.

Speaker 2:
[74:06] You want to hear the most annoying sound in the world? D, D, cock, cock, C, C.

Speaker 4:
[74:09] Mock. Draft. I caught that. Christ. OK, anyway, the log's logged. But the offensive linemen taken.

Speaker 2:
[74:17] Back to, you know, lines took Blake Miller. Office of Tackle.

Speaker 4:
[74:21] People were surprised they didn't take Monroe freely.

Speaker 2:
[74:23] The lines. So they took Blake Miller, who is like the all first team. Just we just listed the number starts to play and it was like durable. But Blake. So he did just the 96 and a half percent of his college snaps.

Speaker 4:
[74:33] He's got a great tackle.

Speaker 2:
[74:35] Yes, Clemson right tackle. And then so I think the line's going to move Peney Sewell to left tackle because Taylor Decker retired. And Blake Miller, I just have believed to have missed one practice in four years, and it's because he like broke his fucking leg, so he missed one practice. What a legend. We should have known when we saw that he's a lion.

Speaker 3:
[74:52] So lion's-y.

Speaker 4:
[74:52] Do you think if you broke your leg, you'd be here tomorrow at work?

Speaker 3:
[74:55] No.

Speaker 4:
[74:56] To record a podcast?

Speaker 3:
[74:57] No.

Speaker 2:
[74:57] No, absolutely not. I want to tell you something about Blake Miller. I also cannot shout out again enough, Dane Bruegler's beast. I had such a great time just diving in all these players on the plane right over.

Speaker 3:
[75:08] I did a draft guide, too.

Speaker 2:
[75:10] Taylor Decker didn't retire.

Speaker 4:
[75:11] I was just hurt. Heifetz admitted to me that on his flight here, he did have Wi-Fi, but he chose not to enable it to kind of just live up in, you know, just raw dog it and isolation up there.

Speaker 3:
[75:22] I like that.

Speaker 4:
[75:23] I respect that. It's the only time in your life where you can truly disconnect. Is that 30,000?

Speaker 3:
[75:28] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[75:28] Sorry. Taylor Decker's released didn't retire. But yeah, no, I did just decide to just read the beast and not be on the Internet and the plane. I just I just wanted to.

Speaker 3:
[75:35] I love that.

Speaker 2:
[75:37] So I want to read you this thing from Dane Bruegler, which stopped me in my tracks. So one, Blake Miller's father got Blake Miller weightlifting at age eight, which don't love that is what the Gronkowskis did. That's what Rob Gronkowski's father did. That's why they all made the NFL's. Rob Gronkowski was they were they would go through, I think, three gallons of milk at breakfast every every morning. Gronkowski family, they were three gallons of milk every morning. Not each, the collective family.

Speaker 3:
[76:02] No, I know.

Speaker 4:
[76:03] How many people are in the family?

Speaker 2:
[76:04] Five brothers, five Gronkowski brothers. And I think they have one sister.

Speaker 3:
[76:07] So they're almost drinking a gallon each?

Speaker 4:
[76:08] A half gallon each every morning?

Speaker 2:
[76:10] The mom said they go through three gallons of milk each morning.

Speaker 3:
[76:13] That's fucking insane.

Speaker 2:
[76:14] Well, they're all weightlifting.

Speaker 4:
[76:14] I'm telling you something, we got to get back in on milk.

Speaker 2:
[76:17] Milk is...

Speaker 3:
[76:17] I never left.

Speaker 4:
[76:18] Well, me neither.

Speaker 2:
[76:19] So, but here's the other one. So this kid...

Speaker 4:
[76:22] In the public consciousness, we need to accept milk again.

Speaker 2:
[76:24] So...

Speaker 4:
[76:25] Unless you're lactose intolerant. And then there's other things you can do. Like oat milk.

Speaker 2:
[76:30] So not only...

Speaker 4:
[76:30] There's like the A2 milk. You ever had that? You ever tried that?

Speaker 2:
[76:33] A2? What's A2? There's like Wagyu?

Speaker 4:
[76:36] There's A1 proteins and there's A2 proteins in cow's milk. And A2 milk, I believe, only has the A2 protein and not the A1 protein. And apparently it's much easier on the gut.

Speaker 2:
[76:46] Is this pasteurized or not?

Speaker 3:
[76:48] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[76:48] It is pasteurized. If it's good enough, we're going to Paltrow. You know what I mean? No, it is pasteurized.

Speaker 2:
[76:54] Oh, okay, cool.

Speaker 4:
[76:54] Give it a try.

Speaker 2:
[76:55] All right, maybe I will.

Speaker 4:
[76:56] Just not near me.

Speaker 2:
[76:57] All right. Guess where they ate your... Guess where Blake Miller went to high school. This guy who started weightlifting at eight.

Speaker 4:
[77:03] What was the name of his high school? Axel Weightlifters High.

Speaker 2:
[77:07] Strongsville.

Speaker 4:
[77:08] Okay, pretty close. Mechanics High School.

Speaker 2:
[77:13] Yeah, Tyler Ward from Mechanicsville. No, he went to Strongsville High School, which I thought was the funniest thing.

Speaker 3:
[77:19] Strongsville.

Speaker 2:
[77:19] Strongsville. Imagine being Clemson. Yeah, we will take that guy.

Speaker 3:
[77:23] Yeah, Dan Campbell is like, I have seen enough. Say less.

Speaker 2:
[77:25] The Texans traded up.

Speaker 4:
[77:27] I would say to lead. To lead.

Speaker 2:
[77:29] The Texans traded up to the 26 pick and took Keelan Rutledge, the guard from, oh, I don't have it written down, Georgia Tech.

Speaker 3:
[77:34] Georgia Tech.

Speaker 2:
[77:35] And I thought this was funny, just I don't think anyone cares about this as much as me. I thought it was funny that the Texans jumped ahead of the Niners and D'Amico Ryan's head coach came from San Francisco and the Texans just run the same offense, more or less, as the Niners do. And I thought it was funny that they just both kind of needed the same guard and they just separately evaluated and were like, where are you going to want the same guys? And the Texans went up and were like, hey, fuck you, San Francisco, we're taking this guy. And the Niners immediately traded out of the pick. They probably wanted the same player.

Speaker 4:
[78:02] The Niners traded all the way out of the first round and now have the first pick in the second round.

Speaker 2:
[78:07] Oh, right. That's actually sweet. They'll probably trade that too. But so the Texans got Caleb Rutledge and the Patriots traded it for Caleb Lomu, the left tackle out of Utah. So, Elliott Wolfe, the GM, fake GM who doesn't have the GM title is the GM, said that Caleb Lomu could compete for all the positions on the line, which is a very diplomatic way of saying later, Will Campbell will be moved from left tackle to the guard. And then Caleb Lomu can be left tackle. And then when two years when Caleb Lomu is not a good left tackle, they can find a new left tackle.

Speaker 4:
[78:36] And just keep moving in.

Speaker 2:
[78:37] Yeah, everyone just keeps. Yeah, and then Will Campbell can be center.

Speaker 4:
[78:40] And then he'll go to right guard. And then he'll keep moving. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[78:42] Just keep it down.

Speaker 4:
[78:43] End his career right tackle.

Speaker 2:
[78:44] Exactly. That's the only pages news. Yeah, that's I don't have anything else.

Speaker 4:
[78:49] I think so. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[78:50] I can't think of anything.

Speaker 4:
[78:51] No.

Speaker 2:
[78:52] Dude, the funniest text I got all weekend was when the news article that Mike Vrabel is going to miss day three of the draft to go to counseling. And Austin just texted back. He's like, a lot of men would probably be better off going to counseling than being there for day three.

Speaker 4:
[79:05] I like the tweets that are like the order of things that Mike Vrabel cares about. Day one of the draft, day two of the draft, his family, day three of the draft.

Speaker 3:
[79:18] Specifically this one.

Speaker 4:
[79:19] He's like, I'm not missing day one or two.

Speaker 2:
[79:21] Those are important.

Speaker 4:
[79:22] Yeah, I'll bail on rounds fucking five, six and seven.

Speaker 3:
[79:26] Yeah, that could be an email.

Speaker 2:
[79:29] Boring picks that I didn't have much to say about the Chargers took Akeem Mesadour with the 22nd pick. I just want to point out that Keldrick Falk, who was the Titans pick at 31, is Akeem Mesadour is three and a half years older than the Titans pick. Like Akeem Mesadour, he is, I mean, on the same college football team, the University of Miami, which almost won the title, you had Malachi Toney, who's this freshman, who was born in like 2007. And on the same team as Akeem Mesadour, who was born before 9-11. And like, they're on the same college football team.

Speaker 4:
[80:03] DK, if Akeem Mesadour was 21 or 22, would he be a top 10 pick?

Speaker 3:
[80:08] I think so, yeah. Based on what he did last year, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[80:11] So maybe it's like, yeah, wasn't he incredible last year?

Speaker 3:
[80:14] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[80:15] It's like, maybe the chargers are like, eh, we don't want to, like, the whole point is like, we think we're good enough to win now, and he's great. Whatever, we have him for four or five years.

Speaker 2:
[80:23] Yeah, sure, he's 30 when his contract will be up, it's like, well, all the extra years, it's not just COVID, it's, did he miss two seasons with foot injuries? He had multiple foot injuries in college, which is as a pass rusher. It's one of those where he's, I don't usually give a shit about the, how old is he, like, oh, with a second contract, but I'm like 30 years old on your second contract when you had multiple foot injuries in colleges. It's not nothing, now, maybe in this kind of draft, you're right, it's like, the chargers, they really do need more beef up front. I still think the chargers don't.

Speaker 4:
[80:48] We'll get a guy who's really good now, whatever.

Speaker 2:
[80:50] I just still think the chargers under Jim Harbaugh, they just don't have to heft the beef in the front seven that you would think. But yeah, we'll see. Also, I want to just know, because Mestador is old, this one stopped me my tracks. Also, this was also in the, no, this was in an interview. He was talking about being coached by Jason Taylor, who's the defensive line coach at Miami. And he's like, oh, he's like a big brother to me. I'm like, brother, he is a son in the NFL. Jason Taylor's son is in the NFL.

Speaker 4:
[81:21] How about like a father?

Speaker 2:
[81:24] Stop me my tracks. My Jason Taylor's son is, entering his second year of football. Anyway, and then the Titans took, while we're on logs, I just want to tie this to Keldrick Falk. And again, things that stop me my tracks. Oh, this was the Freaks list by Bruce Feldman, that Keldrick Falk can reportedly squat 700 pounds.

Speaker 4:
[81:47] That blew me away. Is that the record?

Speaker 2:
[81:50] I didn't know.

Speaker 4:
[81:51] Is anyone else doing 700 plus?

Speaker 2:
[81:53] And then he's can bench 415.

Speaker 4:
[81:55] Are we gonna hit like a thousand?

Speaker 3:
[81:56] Is anyone else doing 700 plus?

Speaker 2:
[82:00] He can bench 415 and he can squat 700. That's a lot. And again, I don't know if that's true, but like...

Speaker 4:
[82:07] Do you think we see 1000 in our lifetime?

Speaker 2:
[82:09] Well, they're gonna do the enhanced games, in which I'm kind of into.

Speaker 4:
[82:13] What do you mean?

Speaker 2:
[82:14] They're gonna do steroid Olympics. They're like hosting. They're basically gonna...

Speaker 4:
[82:17] Who's we? Who?

Speaker 2:
[82:18] Somebody, some entrepreneur guy, some Savannah bananas ass guy is just basically like...

Speaker 4:
[82:24] He's like, fuck it. I'll just let all you guys say whatever you want.

Speaker 2:
[82:26] They're gonna do the Olympics, but for like steroids. And they're like...

Speaker 4:
[82:28] Jesus.

Speaker 2:
[82:29] And the whole pitch is basically, these are the real world records, because it's basically like, what's the heaviest? And what's the fastest anyone's ever ran? It's gonna be this. And two, you want to watch it and you know it. That's basically the pitch. It's like, don't pretend like you don't want to see it. She's like, Gingers!

Speaker 4:
[82:41] Are they gonna start a baseball league with steroids?

Speaker 2:
[82:43] They should.

Speaker 3:
[82:44] You want to hear the heaviest squad ever?

Speaker 4:
[82:48] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[82:48] Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 2:
[82:51] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[82:53] It was Ray Williams in 2019. In competition, it was 1,080 pounds. Wow. In non-competition, Rodney Woodward, 1,322 pounds. 1,322.

Speaker 2:
[83:08] Also, the Enhanced Games are in Vegas May 24th.

Speaker 4:
[83:13] The Enhanced Games need to reach out to our name brand agency because we need to rename that. The Enhanced Games? That's terrible.

Speaker 2:
[83:21] It sounds like an ED pill.

Speaker 4:
[83:22] Yeah. We can mollusk them by something much better than that.

Speaker 2:
[83:27] Were they credentials? This is a week after my wedding. Should we go?

Speaker 4:
[83:29] Where is it?

Speaker 2:
[83:30] Vegas. Reverse Bachelorette Party.

Speaker 4:
[83:33] What are the events?

Speaker 2:
[83:35] Swimming track weightlifting. That's it. It was a longer list. Honestly, Steroid Olympics is pretty sweet. I think that's pretty sweet.

Speaker 4:
[83:47] They just called that. They should just call it Steroid Olympics.

Speaker 2:
[83:51] Steroid Games. Yeah. Juiced.

Speaker 4:
[83:53] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[83:54] Dude, this is easy.

Speaker 4:
[83:55] Or something. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[83:58] Yeah, I'm trying to think. Were there any other picks? Did we hit every pick? I'm sure someone's just screaming.

Speaker 4:
[84:02] We missed probably. Malachi Lawrence went to the Cowboys. We missed. Keldrick Falk went to Tennessee. They traded back in.

Speaker 2:
[84:10] He's the hands game.

Speaker 4:
[84:11] Oh, sure.

Speaker 3:
[84:12] We did address that one.

Speaker 2:
[84:13] Also, he's again, he's falling again.

Speaker 4:
[84:15] I think we did hit every other.

Speaker 3:
[84:17] We didn't talk about the Seahawks.

Speaker 4:
[84:18] We didn't talk about Mansoor Delane going to the Chiefs at six.

Speaker 3:
[84:21] Oh, yeah. That was a good pick. They traded up one or two, three, nine to six. OK, there we go.

Speaker 2:
[84:29] Wow, look at us. Yeah, Delane, good pick. OK, now we hit everything.

Speaker 4:
[84:34] There you go.

Speaker 2:
[84:34] Well, I like that he talked shit because he must have been on the phone with Adam Peters too, or talking to him. Adam Peters, the GM of Washington, was picking seven. And during his press conference, Mansoor Delane, who was again, the LSU cornerback who went to the Chiefs, he just said, yeah, I think he said.

Speaker 4:
[84:49] When was he on the phone with him?

Speaker 2:
[84:52] I don't know, but during his press conference, Delane said, Adam Peters, like, you were too, fuck, I should just look up what he said.

Speaker 4:
[84:59] Well, I wonder if that, it's like the same with the Makai Lemon.

Speaker 2:
[85:01] I'm wondering the same thing.

Speaker 4:
[85:02] I wonder if he was, even though they were the next pick, if they called him. I think you tip them off and say, hey, we're thinking about taking, or we're like planning on taking you.

Speaker 3:
[85:10] Yeah, a lot of times they're trying to just get ahold of you and they're like, hey, we're thinking about picking you here. Be ready, because you're going to be on TV.

Speaker 4:
[85:20] You're going to be a big star.

Speaker 3:
[85:22] Also, did you mean to do the thing where you just skipped the Seahawks pick or was that a joke or were you serious?

Speaker 4:
[85:29] We talked about it.

Speaker 3:
[85:30] Did we?

Speaker 4:
[85:31] Well, you said that we talked about the worst picks are the most baffling picks.

Speaker 2:
[85:34] No, we didn't really get to.

Speaker 4:
[85:35] I guess we only did Jeremie Love.

Speaker 2:
[85:36] The Seahawks took Judarian Price the 32nd.

Speaker 4:
[85:38] Oh, yeah, you're right. I thought we hit both Notre Dame. I guess we didn't.

Speaker 2:
[85:41] This is I'm sorry for starting the show with Ty Simpson. We should have started the show with this. We got an email from a guy last week who said he had a bet with a friend that the Seahawks would not take a running back at any point in this draft. And if the Seahawks took a running back with their first pick, his friend, not only does he have to pay his friend $200, but his friend gets to kick him in the nuts as hard as he can. And that guy's getting kicked in the nuts.

Speaker 4:
[86:06] I literally... Emphasis on as hard as he can.

Speaker 2:
[86:09] I emailed this guy back. As soon as the Seahawks' Dictatorian Prize, I emailed this guy back from the Ringer email. I CC'd by a real email and I was like, get us the video ASAP. I'm going to see if he responded. This guy's getting kicked in the nuts.

Speaker 3:
[86:21] Is he going to have to stand with his legs...

Speaker 4:
[86:25] Surrender Cobra head?

Speaker 3:
[86:26] Yeah, like spread open so this guy can get full foot action in the nuts.

Speaker 4:
[86:31] If I'm the person doing the kicking, I think I just say, hey, double the money. I'm not kicking you in the nuts.

Speaker 3:
[86:37] There we go. Now we're talking.

Speaker 2:
[86:39] Oh, the top email right now is from Annie, who's a ball doctor. Ball doctor.

Speaker 4:
[86:45] That's the legal term? Ball doctor.

Speaker 2:
[86:47] Well, she's a urology resident, but she's like being honest. I'm a ball doctor.

Speaker 3:
[86:51] All right.

Speaker 2:
[86:51] And she's worried. Annie's worried about this guy. Right.

Speaker 3:
[86:55] As she should be.

Speaker 4:
[86:57] But Annie, people get hit in the balls all the time. How are we all OK?

Speaker 3:
[87:01] We're not, Craig. Some people don't have two balls.

Speaker 4:
[87:04] Some, yes.

Speaker 2:
[87:05] Well, actually, you want an email with that? You want an email about that?

Speaker 4:
[87:08] Every single day.

Speaker 2:
[87:09] So I haven't told you guys this yet, but I think the ball thing is one of the most emailed subjects we've ever had. Of course. The ball, getting kicked in the balls is maybe the top response email thing we've ever had. Can I read you one of them?

Speaker 4:
[87:26] Yes. Sure. I just think we're getting hit in the balls all the time. As a kid, you get punched in the nuts, you can take a baseball to the nuts, a grounder hits you, you're on your bike. Things just happen and most of the time it's just fine, even though those guys are just hanging out down there. Just vulnerable. I'm so sorry, the guy emailed me back. Nuts guy?

Speaker 2:
[87:49] Damn, you had that email queued up.

Speaker 4:
[87:52] He did.

Speaker 2:
[87:53] It was like 30 seconds after the pick and Heifetz was like, that guy, I might have beat his own stream. He might have gotten the email instantaneously. He said, damn, you're the queued up. I got a package in the mail today from my friend who I made the bet with. It said, don't open until the pick is in. And then I opened it. It was a bucket and a bottle of champagne with a note that said, please add ice.

Speaker 3:
[88:13] Ice up your balls. Ice up, son.

Speaker 2:
[88:15] Ice up, son. Oh my God, that is so good.

Speaker 3:
[88:19] This guy's gonna really do it.

Speaker 4:
[88:20] Did we get any good info about getting kicked in the nuts? And the damage?

Speaker 3:
[88:24] When is the nut kicking taking place? If you send him a package, are they not even in the same town?

Speaker 2:
[88:30] Dude.

Speaker 3:
[88:30] Does he have to take a flight to get his nuts kicked?

Speaker 2:
[88:33] Honestly, he actually went out.

Speaker 4:
[88:34] It feels like a really good movie from like 2007.

Speaker 3:
[88:36] First you have to go through fucking TSA and then you have to get your nuts kicked.

Speaker 2:
[88:39] I gotta fly.

Speaker 4:
[88:39] You have to make a cross country trip to get your nuts kicked. That feels like something that should have been, that's like an Andy Samberg movie.

Speaker 2:
[88:45] He's like a lost.

Speaker 4:
[88:46] It feels like a hot rod sequel.

Speaker 3:
[88:47] Yeah, you gotta like use them a few times before you lose them on the trip.

Speaker 2:
[88:52] Oh, wow.

Speaker 4:
[88:53] Interesting.

Speaker 3:
[88:54] It's like a it's like a coming of age story.

Speaker 4:
[88:57] Sorry, Oz coming of age.

Speaker 2:
[89:00] That's shit.

Speaker 4:
[89:01] So that would be on the poster. The coming of age story. I'm sure that's happened before. You can't find it, can you? Whatever you're looking for.

Speaker 2:
[89:09] Well, I'm talking to the nuts. So many people emailed us.

Speaker 3:
[89:11] He's just Googling nuts.

Speaker 2:
[89:13] I am. Wait, can I read your email? Wait, can I read this? I don't know if you guys are going to find this as funny as I did, but I was like reading this one. I was like, this is from Bradley.

Speaker 4:
[89:23] Brad B-Bone. Bradley.

Speaker 2:
[89:27] Well, firstly, protein chocolate milk for breakfast. Two parts.

Speaker 4:
[89:31] Wow.

Speaker 2:
[89:32] First of all, back in high school, maybe age 50 or so, my friends and I used to play a game called Nutball.

Speaker 4:
[89:37] Sounds right.

Speaker 2:
[89:38] The premise was you sat on opposite sides of the living room in your boxers. Yeah, rolling a softball across the floor, aiming for the other person's crotch.

Speaker 4:
[89:44] Never mind.

Speaker 2:
[89:45] The game ends when someone quits. You would have forced yourself not to flinch because if they got hit while hanging like a punching bag, it's way worse instead of stationary.

Speaker 4:
[89:53] We used to play where it'd be like five or six of us. We'd all sit in a big circle just on your butts. We'd have a, I guess it was maybe just like a tennis ball or something. And you just toss it up and try to land it right on the dust.

Speaker 2:
[90:05] Wait, so the next part of the email. Bradley writes, also related but different. Around the same age, I had a friend with an older cousin. The older cousin was a senior when we were freshmen. He heard a rumor that if you got hit in the taint hard enough, it would make you shit yourself.

Speaker 4:
[90:23] We're the best.

Speaker 3:
[90:26] It's just physics.

Speaker 4:
[90:27] Ain't nobody doing it like 15 year old boys. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2:
[90:32] He heard a rumor that if you got hit in the taint hard enough, you would shit yourself. So on a drunken night, he asked his friend to punch him in the taint.

Speaker 3:
[90:44] Punch him in the taint?

Speaker 4:
[90:45] And see if he would shit.

Speaker 3:
[90:48] Punching him in the taint? What are you bending over?

Speaker 2:
[90:51] Well, I'll tell you what happened. The friend missed.

Speaker 3:
[90:53] Oh, for sake.

Speaker 2:
[90:54] Punched him directly in the balls. And after a hospital...

Speaker 3:
[90:57] Punched him in the balls from behind. That's like not a common way to get hit in the balls from behind.

Speaker 4:
[91:04] In the balls from the back?

Speaker 3:
[91:06] In the balls from behind.

Speaker 4:
[91:07] Yeah, he might be the first one.

Speaker 3:
[91:11] I mean, it's certainly possible to happen, but that's not the one you hear about the most.

Speaker 4:
[91:16] No.

Speaker 2:
[91:16] So after a hospital trip, he finds out that one of his balls could no longer make sperm.

Speaker 4:
[91:21] No way.

Speaker 3:
[91:22] See, Craig?

Speaker 2:
[91:23] Now, everyone else.

Speaker 4:
[91:24] Oh yeah, he got punched in the balls from behind.

Speaker 2:
[91:26] He said all of us call him dead ball to this day.

Speaker 4:
[91:29] Dead ball?

Speaker 3:
[91:30] Dead ball.

Speaker 4:
[91:30] Oh my God. Damn.

Speaker 3:
[91:33] Wait, so did he ever find out about shitting yourself?

Speaker 4:
[91:35] All because of that taint rumor.

Speaker 3:
[91:37] God. Who started this rumor?

Speaker 2:
[91:40] Dude, I was-

Speaker 3:
[91:41] What a specific rumor, dude.

Speaker 4:
[91:43] Like, this would be funny.

Speaker 2:
[91:44] He heard a rumor that if you got hit in the taint hard enough, it would make you shit yourself.

Speaker 3:
[91:50] Yeah, that's- I'm trying to think about the actual, like, how they decided this was going to work thing. Because he's like, did he take down his pants?

Speaker 4:
[91:58] Is there an official medical term for the taint?

Speaker 3:
[92:02] For any of us?

Speaker 4:
[92:03] That's a great question.

Speaker 3:
[92:03] What is it called?

Speaker 4:
[92:04] Is that right?

Speaker 3:
[92:05] Well, now I got it. Do I have to Google this?

Speaker 4:
[92:07] People call it the gooch, the taint. Is there- or is it just like the space in between?

Speaker 3:
[92:12] Yeah, it's grundle.

Speaker 4:
[92:15] Yeah, you Google it. What is this?

Speaker 3:
[92:16] Scientific term for taint.

Speaker 4:
[92:18] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[92:19] Paraneum.

Speaker 4:
[92:19] Paraneum. Oh, actually, I think I have heard that.

Speaker 3:
[92:22] That's what I was trying to say. I'm just not good at speaking.

Speaker 4:
[92:26] Can I quickly give you some football thing? I saw that Austin sent us.

Speaker 3:
[92:30] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[92:30] Ty Simpson said that he's never met Sean McVay.

Speaker 2:
[92:34] What the fuck are you talking about?

Speaker 4:
[92:36] He said on SiriusXM that he's never met Sean McVay. He's never met Sean McVay.

Speaker 2:
[92:39] They never met. They took him.

Speaker 4:
[92:41] This is a mess.

Speaker 2:
[92:42] I really, I...

Speaker 4:
[92:45] He never met him? Does that mean... That's crazy. Could he have spoken over the phone with him? Or does that mean no?

Speaker 2:
[92:51] I feel like you would have mentioned that.

Speaker 4:
[92:52] Yeah, right?

Speaker 3:
[92:53] Yeah, you'd say, we talked on the phone, but I'm excited to get to it.

Speaker 4:
[92:57] I hope this isn't out of context. And he was like, I've never met Sean McVay. Well, I mean, I've talked to him over the phone, but they only clipped...

Speaker 2:
[93:02] But here's the thing. I still, like the idea that you would have a quarterback succession plan is like unpopular for young fans, but if everyone believes in it and they're like, look, you know, look, Stafford, we were like, maybe you'd be like, we're lucky Stafford got hurt.

Speaker 4:
[93:13] And you would trust McVay. Like, if it was McVay being like, look, I believe in this, you'd be like, OK.

Speaker 2:
[93:17] The entire premise of the Rams taking Ty Simpson is like, well, McVay must know what he's doing. The idea that McVay is also like, no, this is. This guy sucks. Is...

Speaker 4:
[93:26] Let's...

Speaker 2:
[93:27] Honestly, Lesnick's putting his job on the line. Or really his balls on the line. It's just McVay...

Speaker 3:
[93:31] He's like, punch me as hard as you can in the taint.

Speaker 2:
[93:34] And McVay's going to miss.

Speaker 4:
[93:36] He's like, if Ty Simpson isn't a pro bowler by year three, you can kick me as hard as you want in the nuts.

Speaker 3:
[93:41] I feel like I know the answer to this because you said you won't kick Heifetz in the nuts if you asked. But would... For your best friend, would you kick... Would you punch him in the taint if you asked you to?

Speaker 4:
[93:52] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[93:55] Because I'm a good friend.

Speaker 4:
[93:57] Yeah. If he wants me to, of course.

Speaker 3:
[94:00] Yeah. You're like, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[94:03] Yeah. He might throw up. That'd be funny.

Speaker 3:
[94:07] Or he might shit himself.

Speaker 4:
[94:08] He might have to get out of the way.

Speaker 2:
[94:10] He has a problem doing it from the back. I wonder he missed. It's like, you're kind of thinking, what if this works?

Speaker 3:
[94:15] What are you... You're doing an uppercut. I'm like picturing like a, like a, like a... He's bending over. Like, you got it.

Speaker 4:
[94:21] Yeah, he'd have to really have that thing up. He'd have to really be ass up.

Speaker 3:
[94:28] That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4:
[94:29] How did the... Arch that back, buddy. Bang!

Speaker 3:
[94:34] Just saying, like, Jesus.

Speaker 4:
[94:36] He did an uppercut.

Speaker 3:
[94:37] No wonder he fucking hit him in the nuts.

Speaker 4:
[94:38] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Literally hit it from the back. Jesus Christ. Oh, right.

Speaker 2:
[94:49] Well, on that note...

Speaker 4:
[94:51] We should say, I do want to shout out, yesterday we had dinner at a great restaurant called Budenoki. And it's fantastic. It's in Virgil Village. It's like an izakaya, Japanese spot. Shouts out Eric, the owner. E-Bone.

Speaker 2:
[95:06] If you're in Los Angeles, you should go to Budenoki.

Speaker 4:
[95:07] Fantastic place.

Speaker 3:
[95:08] Great vibes, too, in the restaurant.

Speaker 4:
[95:10] It's like, yeah, it's like Japanese bites, beer, great vibe, wait a wonderful time. Shout out Budenoki. That's where I haven't drank the one beer and then got the hiccups.

Speaker 2:
[95:21] He sounded like just the classic drunk.

Speaker 4:
[95:26] Thank god it didn't happen at dinners.

Speaker 3:
[95:27] There's like bubbles coming out of his mouth. Yeah, it's like, Jesus, dude.

Speaker 4:
[95:32] What's happening? What's going on back there? He's like, kakakaka. Kikikiki. Like.

Speaker 2:
[95:40] Does anybody say it normal? Seated chicken?

Speaker 3:
[95:42] Yeah. Oh my god.

Speaker 2:
[95:46] All right. We have a round two, round three recap. We're going to record tomorrow night. Hopefully it's as ridiculous as this one. We're going to have another episode going up Sunday night or Monday morning. And we have more episodes coming next week. And again, we're going to have episodes every week. We're going to have fantasy landing spots next week. We're going to have recaps of the draft. And we're going to have episodes every week all summer. So if you've made it this far with the taints and all this stuff, then you'll probably enjoy the episodes we do over the summer too. And yeah, thank you to Iba and Abou Danouki. And thank you to everyone who helped us there. You guys were great. Sorry, I broke a glass.

Speaker 4:
[96:18] I haven't said break a glass.

Speaker 2:
[96:19] With the chopsticks.

Speaker 4:
[96:20] They were very nice about it.

Speaker 2:
[96:21] They were. Yeah. Thank you, DK. Thank you, Craig. Thank you to. Oh, I'll shut up and shout out to Good Kit. I saw them.

Speaker 3:
[96:29] Oh, yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 4:
[96:30] Oh, yeah. That's cool.

Speaker 2:
[96:33] Thank you to Cam. Thank you to Carlos. Thank you to Austin. Thank you to everyone for listening. And thank you, Lord.

Speaker 4:
[96:40] Lord.

Speaker 3:
[96:40] Thank you, Styx.

Speaker 4:
[96:42] Oh, nice. Okay. They were playing Renegade before the Steelers picked. The 21st pick, they played the entire song. And they're like doing this cool video montage, like showing the whole space in Pittsburgh. And DK is like fucking doing his draft rage. And he looks up, he's like, how long is this? Are they going to play the whole damn song? I'm like, they're in fucking Pittsburgh, DK.

Speaker 3:
[97:05] I know, I kind of forgot it was in Pittsburgh, but I was just like, God, are they going to play this whole song?

Speaker 4:
[97:10] They're wrapping up already, we get it.

Speaker 3:
[97:12] It's like a fucking three-minute song.

Speaker 2:
[97:14] Dude, also, those people were standing there for like 14 hours and all they wanted to hear was that song. And DK's like, come on.

Speaker 3:
[97:21] No, I just kind of forgot that it was a Pittsburgh thing.

Speaker 4:
[97:23] Do they normally, so when Gadel walks out to begin the drafts and everybody boos him, this year he came out with Cam Hayward and TJ. Watt to try to like prevent the crowd from booing him. He's like a blockade of goodwill.

Speaker 2:
[97:36] Who's that 14 year old streamer walks around with the big bodyguards? Jack, what's his face?

Speaker 4:
[97:40] Oh yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[97:41] That was Gadel walking out with Cam Hayward.

Speaker 4:
[97:43] Yeah, and of course he still got booed and he was like, come on, look at these guys.

Speaker 3:
[97:47] The way he does that is so, he's the worst actor ever.

Speaker 4:
[97:50] Does he always do that where he comes out with beloved players from the city?

Speaker 2:
[97:52] He's been trying, he came out with Detroit, I think he came out with M&M. I think one year he tried with like, one year he tried with like, it was like Make-A-Wish Kids, or like he came out with like literal children and the kids got booed. Like he's tried everything. He's tried everything to not get booed. And now he pretends to be okay, he's like, come on, louder, but he dies a little inside every time.

Speaker 4:
[98:12] He hates it.

Speaker 2:
[98:13] No, there was internal memos. There were like-

Speaker 4:
[98:15] Nobody likes being booed by 300,000 people.

Speaker 2:
[98:18] Yeah, nobody's like, fine.

Speaker 4:
[98:19] I don't care who you are.

Speaker 2:
[98:20] There was a while ago, it was universally reviled.

Speaker 3:
[98:25] I changed my mind, that's fair.

Speaker 4:
[98:27] That does sound bad. There were 320-

Speaker 2:
[98:31] He does give one.

Speaker 4:
[98:32] This draft set the record by a mile, apparently. 320,000 people in attendance. The previous record was like 275. 320,000 people were in attendance to watch the NFL Draft. There are 120,000 people at Coachella to see like Justin Bieber and Sabrina Carpenter and like 50 other backs.

Speaker 3:
[98:50] And I'm like, turn this fucking song off.

Speaker 4:
[98:52] There are triple that amount of people who watch a guy stand on the fucking stage and go, with the 26 pick, the Panthers select Monroe Freeling. You can't even see what you're watching on the screen.

Speaker 2:
[99:04] The Bill Burr video.

Speaker 4:
[99:05] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[99:06] Dude, meanwhile, imagine being a Bills fan and drove like all the way from Buffalo to Pittsburgh and they just traded out back. You trade out three times.

Speaker 4:
[99:14] Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 2:
[99:15] Also, a friend of mine truly built different than people who do that. Someone put that fact or that stat or whatever in the group chat, a group chat I'm in for one of my leagues. So the 350,000, one of my friends is like, yeah, there's no way that's right.

Speaker 3:
[99:26] How do they count that?

Speaker 2:
[99:27] That's what I was like, I'm like, how do they count the 300,000 people?

Speaker 3:
[99:30] That's like a wild guess.

Speaker 4:
[99:32] What do you mean? They probably have to walk, do you have to walk through security? And then they're like.

Speaker 2:
[99:35] What, you think you're security guards? You're just clicking 350,000 people?

Speaker 4:
[99:37] And they have to go through like a turnstile type thing. It's like registered.

Speaker 2:
[99:41] I think to some degree, that number is fake. It's very oddly precise. 315,000 people, what, showed up to the city, went to the river.

Speaker 3:
[99:50] Well, that's how I feel about when they like do that. One million people came to this Super Bowl parade thing.

Speaker 2:
[99:57] Yes, it's like, it's a highly educated guess.

Speaker 3:
[99:59] Sure.

Speaker 4:
[100:00] And you know, I don't want to yuck anybody's yum. If you're a listener of the show.

Speaker 3:
[100:03] I feel like we do that a lot.

Speaker 4:
[100:04] You're right. If you're a listener of the show. I love yucky yums. And you went to the draft or you've been to the drafts in the past and you had a great time, email us and sell us on why it's worth it.

Speaker 3:
[100:13] There's an idea.

Speaker 4:
[100:14] I want to know.

Speaker 2:
[100:14] Pitchers also tell us who you went to the last.

Speaker 3:
[100:16] Do they serve alcohol?

Speaker 4:
[100:17] If you went and regretted it, I want to know that as well. But if you're like, actually the best, you guys don't know what you're talking about, let us know why.

Speaker 2:
[100:24] Yeah, that sounds good. I would love to be pitched on this.

Speaker 3:
[100:26] How do you pee?

Speaker 2:
[100:27] I want to know that. It's like New Year's like Times Square.

Speaker 3:
[100:29] Probably like any other concert.

Speaker 4:
[100:30] What was the weather today in Pittsburgh?

Speaker 2:
[100:32] It was a nice day.

Speaker 4:
[100:33] Was it?

Speaker 2:
[100:35] The scenery is pretty great. That's a great spot.

Speaker 4:
[100:37] Oh, yeah, I agree. It looks beautiful. The high was 60. That's not bad.

Speaker 2:
[100:40] Sticks. Renegade, baby.

Speaker 3:
[100:42] The jig is up.

Speaker 4:
[100:45] When's this over?

Speaker 3:
[100:47] I literally was just like, are they going to play this whole fucking song? Craig's like, shut. Dude.

Speaker 4:
[100:53] This is all I have. All right. We're going to go nine and eight again. Let me live.

Speaker 3:
[100:58] It was like I truly in the moment forgot you are a Steelers fan and forgot it was in Pittsburgh. And I was like, I can't play this goddamn song.

Speaker 4:
[101:06] Yeah. We should say the draft was way quicker this year.

Speaker 3:
[101:08] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[101:09] It was like an hour. We used to be 10 minutes between picks. Now it's eight. And you felt it. It's like fucking pitch clock in baseball, man. This shit is tight now. I had a great time.

Speaker 2:
[101:17] Yeah, I did, too.

Speaker 4:
[101:19] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[101:20] Yeah, it's fun.

Speaker 2:
[101:21] Good draft.

Speaker 4:
[101:22] Yeah. Yeah. All right.

Speaker 2:
[101:23] Do it again tomorrow.

Speaker 4:
[101:24] Let's go to bed.

Speaker 2:
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