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[00:09] Hello, and welcome to We're Obsessed, a pop culture video podcast here on the Ringer Dish feed. I'm Jodi Walker. And I'm Nora Princiotti. And Nora, we're in person. Hey! We like to keep them guessing. Wow, it's so good to see you, Jodi. It's so good to see you. Back from Mexico City. Back from Mexico City. Just had the best time. What a cool city. It really, I could really tell that you were thriving. Cause I texted you so much. You were so excited. You were so happy. I think you did a lot of shopping. I think you just felt vibrant and invigorated, which is how I picture you every day. So it just really, it was really good. Thank you. I did. I did text you a lot and I'm not sorry. And I was feeling like myself. I was shopping a lot, which I will get to in my personal We're Obsessed. One of my new-ish obsessions that has kind of started in the last month that I was really able to fulfill. Nora, I go to showrooms now. I'm just, I'm someone who goes to showrooms and ties things on. So it's just part of my lifestyle. I saw you put that down and I'm going to save my questions about what exactly you mean by this for later, but I'm intrigued. We'll just see. But before we get to the good of Mexico City and the sort of like terror of this week, a word from our sponsors. This episode is presented by Sephora Collection. Look, sometimes you need makeup that goes the distance. At only $12, the new Best Skin Ever Ultra Slim Precision Concealer from Sephora Collection has got you covered, literally. It's full coverage with a matte finish and perfect for any look, whether you're building it up for a full glam moment or targeting correction for a more natural vibe. You can even throw it in your bag for touch-ups on the go. Get this new must-have concealer at Sephora or at sephora.com today.

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[03:01] Nora, any good news from you? Because I do feel that the theme of this week is like terror. Good news. Well, so like you've, I feel like I've been complaining about the weather a lot recently. But you've come back and brought with you a really perfect like 68 degree day, which is great because it's for one day and I'm arriving with all of my clothes from Mexico City which basically includes a new wardrobe entirely made of linen. And my ass got off the red eye plane yesterday morning and it was like 45 degrees. Why is it you're doing this to us? It was really cold. I had entered a state of eternal spring between New Orleans and Mexico City and that's just not what New York is up to. Yeah. But you know how springy it is today. So how springy? Do you want to know what's in this cup? What? Straight vodka. No. What are you doing without me? An Arnold Palmer. Wow. How beautiful. You know how I feel about an Arnie P. You mix that up here in the office? Well, so we have one of the canned seltzer ones. Okay. So I am- Were you doing mixology here at the office? No. It's like it's in it. It's look, no free ads, but it's spin drift. Did you put two of those metal cups together? Shake it like this. I want you to believe that I did, so let's go with that. Let me have it. Let's go with that. I did want to surprise you here with one of the office snack packets of wet marinated vegetable in a bag. You actually do deserve to terrorize me like that because I terrorize you so often, especially with food. I couldn't find one on this floor. They ate them all up. But I think if I check 66, I think I'm gonna come up with some. Do you think that they got rid of them after you made fun of them? No, I think they still have them as of Tuesday. As of Tuesday, they had the cauliflower up here. This is getting stanky. No, it's really upsetting. It's upsetting stuff. The general vibe of these snacks is getting quite stanky. It's definitely stanky. I'm terrified to open that pouch. I never want to. You just took a cleansing sip of Arnold Palmer. But it's spring and I'm having an Arnold Palmer and that's just great. I thought you were going to say, and I'm sure that we could reveal this later, but that the reason that you knew that it was spring was because I came into the office partially undressed and you had to complete dressing me. Jodi texted me on my way into the office and what did you say? I'm pulling up my phone. I want the exact syntax. I'll let you get the quote by saying that this is a partial spoiler for my personal obsess, but much like when I told everyone I had just cried last week, I sort of feel like I have to get this off my chest. Guess what? Two exclamation points. You have to snap the back of my bodice when I get into the office today. You made it sound a little more playful than I intended. And snap the back of your bodice I did. The only thing about a bodice is that it's very hard to put on by yourself. And so I did get it on enough to get on the subway and put a jacket on over myself. So no one could see most of my back. But by the time I got to the office, to be office appropriate, I did need you to continue snapping my bodice for me. I would snap your bodice any day of the week. And that's why we're in person for this very reason, which is the good part of this week. Nora, otherwise, I would say everything's a mess. Yeah. We have- Carl's a mess and so is this week. You know Carl's a mess. We have some- The only thing I know about him is- You have such a specific interpretation of Carl, who is actually like the most together on that show. No, he is struggling with autonomy. I will give you that. And you have shouted that out and brought it into the forefront. I have such a blindness for these Summer House people. And the scales have been lifted from my eyes, like no more so than this week. So we do have some updates on some very blonde people that we've been talking about for the last couple of weeks. And so I'll start with some Summer House updates on what's going on with that drama and trauma, because have you been keeping up? I mean, I've been keeping up with the words and phrases that people are saying about this situation. There is inherently a limitation. I understand that I will never understand, but yes, I've been keeping up with the news. And I want, but I want so badly for you to understand. And I know like half of our audience watches Summer House, half don't. A lot of people have told us that they have, now when they watch Summer House. A few people have started. Yeah, my friend Olivia, who you've met, has just started watching Summer House. How's she finding it? So I asked her this question last night and I couldn't, and she answered at length and it was the type of answer where I was like, I don't know if you're enjoying this, but I think she's excited about it. Well, okay, that's a lot of the experience of watching reality TV. Cause I think she was like, Kyle, cause she's watching season one and she was like, Kyle, I can't believe how insufferable Kyle is. Yeah, he'll grow on her. And then they'll grow apart and then they'll grow back together. I'm not sure if she has adult male-blond disease in the way that you and Sasha do. It is a disease and it's not just that. It is an affliction, but it's not just an affliction. From which you will never be free. I would like to keep up with her pacing on how she's watching it. Cause me, myself personally, as I'm watching it right now, I'm suffering. Because just like the worst stuff possible is happening in real time to know what's coming to play. Ciara and West have finally made up. He's basically like, she gives him an out to be like, it doesn't seem like it's working for us to be friends. Cause he kisses someone in front of her. They're sitting on the same bench and he is kissing someone in front of her. She is basically his ex-girlfriend and they've never really been cool about it, but they still live in the same house. And so she's like every summer contractually for a job and for their like main paycheck. And so they are, she's kind of like, we don't have to be friends. And he's like, no, but that's so uncomfortable for me. I want to be friends. I miss being friends with you. So then she says, okay, I miss being friends with you too. Like let's just be best friends again. And he's like, I see you. Amanda says, I see you in the most recent episode. And then of course we know that they go on to get together. It's not precisely an affair, which West made clear on his podcast. Did you know West had a podcast? Spiritually, yes, literally no. Yes, spiritually and literally, he has a podcast with Sophie Cunningham, the like right-wing WNBA player. They're from the same hometown and grew up together. So they have a podcast together. And I recall that you had some questions about his progressive politics. They are in question from me. Consider them under fire from this space. There's so like nothing. Wes, I'd like to see you at the rally, maybe. No, he'll be there, but then he'll go back to his podcast with Sophie Cunningham. Okay. Well, Pussyhat will be on and so will the podcast mic. Okay, this man does, wore a pussyhat for a clout, feels like the number one descriptor I have for him. It's sort of like therapy to get to talk to you about this show that you don't watch because it's just like a mirror. It's not your face, it's just a mirror for me to see how I've been experiencing all of this and how it's changing. Wes spoke out on his podcast, Ciara spoke out in a Glamour magazine spread and an interview with Hunter Harris. Everybody say thank you, Hunter Harris. Including because she said that the glamorous gay man crouching in front of her as she slumped in front of Hermes, famously so chic, was her manager. Yes, which I did figure that he was part of her team in some way, in the way that with a lot of these- I kind of pictured him as a fairy godfather. Yeah, like someone who sort of landed upon her shoulder to provide council in a moment of trauma. Which just because he's getting 10 percent, isn't to say that that's not the truth. Right, not mutually exclusive. Yeah, like he could still be sort of a ghost and a spirit of the Hermes store. So she clarified that. I mean, she talks about within the piece, dating interracially. She talks about, I mean, she talks specifically about how much this hurts her from Amanda. And like, she's basically like, I'm never going to be shocked by a man. Like, yeah, West is a man. I'm not. Yeah, like, and he was always sort of incredible. But that Amanda did it. I mean, she does talk about that. I'm sure she'll talk about it more in the reunion, which is filming right now in this same fair city. But probably most importantly, the most important Summer House development this week has been that Lena Dunham, also a check back in with a non-blond, spoke out on the situation, as most celebrities have been called to do. Yeah, everyone has weighed in. Everyone has thoughts. And Lena said, I'm a girl's girl. One of the few boundaries that I've never crossed is hooking up with a friend's ex, which, you know, happens extensively in her show. Right. Right. In Girls. She said- This is also just like a funny little aside of self-awareness. One of the few boundaries that I've never crossed. Yeah, like I've done everything. I'm a habitual line stepper, but in this specific area, I'm actually clean. I've done the worst things, but not the worst thing. She is saying. And she says like kind of what everyone says, like if this is love and they're going to get married, then maybe it's worth it. But that seems very unlikely, especially because this week they were, West and Amanda were like actually seen out together. They went to a Yankees game. They kissed. That was, I was shocked. Okay. I know that you're not personally involved in this, but because of the scandal comparisons, we weren't getting live Raquel and Tom out and about. These two, whether it's because they really want to or not, they have committed to being together. Kissing at the Yankees game. But then if there is one thing that I fall for constantly that I know is not correct, like it is generally fake news, it is generally a scam, it's lip reading videos. I love them. I love to see a lip reading video and just be like, well, that's it, that's what they said. That's what they said for sure. And there's a clip of Amanda and West from this Yankees game where he kisses her and then they kind of like lean back and they either look smug or embarrassed, it's hard to tell. And it seems like she says, you act like you hate me, which extremely Amanda behavior. Okay, interesting. Like what would that mean? Like you act like... Like that she was more or less probably like, you like kiss me, like we need to seem like a couple. Oh, like you usually act like you hate me. No, like you're acting like you hate me, like you're not acting friendly enough to me. She says it and then they kiss. I think it's right after, but she wasn't. But she's like chastising him for a lack of PDA. Yes. See, could be if you subscribe to Lip Reads, which I do. Could be. So they were at this game. So I don't know, maybe it is going the distance. But Lena Dunham said, Sierra is a beautiful girl. She's a very smart person. She's going to find something that is so much better for her. She did not need to be with that street wear boy. Even for someone like you, I know that street wear boy has stuck. I'm sorry, he died. So many street wear boys are IP West in our wake. So many street wear boys left behind, as they should be. Yeah, and then basic last Summer House update is that the circle of life is complete. The lion ate the antelope. Sierra will be going on Dancing with the Stars, along with Maura from The Traders. I know, I think that's fun. I hope they become friends. Which has been framed as these women who have recently been wronged by men on reality TV and you simply always have to hand it to Rob Mills, who is the executive vice president of Disney Unscripted Now. He said, there's an old phrase, the best way to get over a lover is to dance with a stranger. That does sound like an old phrase. That does sound like an old phrase. That sounds like something people were saying. Yeah, I'm going to get over this lover. I'm going to go dance with a stranger. He might be a streetwear boy, but I won't know. Every single one of those dancers on Dancing with the Stars is a streetwear boy. I think that is true. But that's fine. That's fine. Oh my gosh, there's so much potential for her to have a romance on Dancing with the Stars, which is my favorite. That would be really exciting. Look, if Rihanna can't work her magic here, if Rihanna is not actually on the case, then I'm certainly open to the possibility for her if she would like. I'm so deep in the celebrity gossip trenches right now. I saw a screenshot that Michael B. Jordan had liked one of urine from the season of Bridgerton. I can't remember her last name, one of her posts, and I would also really like that coupling. I'm just doing a little in real life shipping right now. It's so unfortunate that we have just one Michael B. Jordan. I know. We need a Michael C. Jordan. We need a Michael D. Jordan. I need as many as they'll give us. I can even take through J. Well, and we've also, you know, been sort of teased with the premise of twins from centers. And I got really used to that reality. Yeah. So maybe, maybe polyamory is all right sometimes. I don't know. Or we could talk to that Tom Brady's company that cloned his dog. Yeah. I'm not in favor, but could make an exception for Michael L. Jordan. Yeah. I'm not in favor of Tom Brady's cloning company. Broken clock twice a day. But it exists. Nora, you have some Alex on Alex crime updates. Lex v. Lex. I do not like when you say that. I don't like when you- Unfortunately, I love when I say that. I know. It's so hard for me to be like, Cooper Earl, Cooper Earl, Alex, Alex, Alex and it works for you. You have it really down saying it like that, but it's tough to receive. I'll take that feedback for your consideration. Seems like it's skimmed right over you. Sue, I would say the big picture thing here is- Mostly Lex. Is mostly Lex. We talked about Alex Earl sort of intimating that she was coming for Alex Cooper, going to spill some drama, Alex Cooper saying, get on with it. Since then, there hasn't been any major tea spilled by Alex Earl. But I think to me basically two things have happened. One, there has been this Bloomberg article talking about some difficulties within her company, Alex Cooper's company, Unwell, that she is the co-CEO of with her husband, Matt Kaplan. I think that Unwell is a cute name. I'm not like that's a bad name, but it is the kind of name that if you have any bad press, it is so easily used against you. Yes. Yes. No, Unwell is Unwell. It is a New York Daily News back page. They're dying for it. Headline writer's absolute dream. But I think that has something to do with what's going on here. Because the other thing that I was going to say that's happening is like, there's been no major tea spilled, but I do feel a bit of a circling of the wagons. It's kind of against Alex Cooper. It just feels like she has been on such a high for so long. She's the number four podcast. Yeah, that struck me in that Bloomberg piece. I was like, I knew it was big. I didn't quite know it was that big. I thought it was top 10. I thought it was top four. That is huge. I also am like, clearly there is... So the piece goes through sort of two, there's sort of two major thrusts to it. One is that she is very busy, and the things that she tends to be very busy with professionally require her to physically be in a lot of different places, to go host things, to go appear at things. And so therefore, she's not a big presence in their office. There's not a huge presence in the day-to-day running of Unwell, which means her husband is doing it. And he has, quote, earned a reputation for frequently yelling at staff members. Another quote from the piece is that crew members have threatened to walk off the job at film sets and live tours if he doesn't keep his distance. So that seems unfun. It seems as though there are a lot of people who don't enjoy the day-to-day of dealing with him, and that's one problem that the company is dealing with. A lot of people. They've lost a lot of major people. Often quitting and threatening to quit in this economy. Yes. And including, like, it does bring up the fact that when she did that Hulu special, Call Her Alex, there was a, I think, a live show producer, someone pretty high ranking. They were high, yeah. And I got to the producer. Who threatened to quit and nearly quit right as her live show was about to go up. And they put that in the doc and were, you know, they put that out there pretty happily. And I think they used it as something that sort of raised the stakes of, OK, we have to create something that's going to be dramatic enough to put on Hulu built around, or at least partially built around, putting on a live staging of a podcast, which isn't inherently. It's like, you know, do or die drama here. So maybe that's why they included it. Nora, there are a lot of cords. You see me try to do my own cords. It's so true. Say the women brought to their knees by ethernet. There are a lot of cords. It's not a small task, but someone's got to do it. Someone's got to do it. Someone's got to get in the saddle, snap that bodice on. Maybe somebody else has to do that. And then the show must go on. Women in Phlegm. Women in Phlegm? She is a woman in Phlegm. She is a woman in Phlegm. She is a woman in Phlegm. And I think this does just go to show that men should not be in Phlegm. We can't. No, I'll say it. No men in Phlegm. Yeah, that's fine. I can say that. No men in Phlegm, including this guy. Yeah, no, it seems like he's not fun. The other thing that the piece says is a little bit shaky at Unwell is that while the things that, the pieces of their business that stem from her and stem from Call Her Daddy seem to be doing really well and growing and the live shows have gone well and some branding that they've done has gone well, they have not succeeded in getting another podcast of the ones that they've bought and licensed and agreed to produce to hit. And obviously that ties into the Alex Earl of it all because Hot Mess was the most high profile swing and ultimately miss of trying to make that happen. So here's this piece that has some specifics of Unwell not thriving. But then the other thing just to go back to the idea that there is a little bit of a circling of the wagons is it just feels to me like all the news around her for a long time has been like pretty good. It's been Kamala Harris, Jane Goodall. Like the podcast is doing so well. She is putting herself in a position where as we talked about, she can become the boss of someone like Alex Earl, at least temporarily, who seems like they should be kind of on more equal footing. But because of her success in business, Alex Cooper is hiring Alex Earl to work for her company. But now it feels like everyone who's ever had a bad experience with her or kind of has an ax to grind, has this permission structure to start dribbling that out. But I do think it's interesting that in this piece, the anonymous sources, they don't really, I feel like reputationally, she comes out okay from this. Her husband comes out very poorly and likely needs to be removed. And that's gonna be an issue for her. I mean, I don't think, that's an, right. That's what I think is that's an issue for her. No one's saying kind of like that she's awful or that she mistreats people. It's that she's absent and that like, she doesn't have time maybe to actually have the kind of oversight to have a successful company. And however, I feel like her currently, her sort of reputation as like a creator and front facing talent is secure. It's like, okay, but maybe you can't run this business. Yeah. Well, but the thing that's funny about it is like, I agree with you that it seems totally secure, but why is this company called Unwell? Like, why are they producing a show called Hot Mess? Because they're harkening back to the era of Call Her Daddy that we talked about last week, where it was so rooted in being messy, in being like, we're gonna spill it all, we're not afraid to go there, everything is within bounds. And she has really changed her, sort of, the contours of her public persona. I feel like she has really worked pretty hard to shift into, I am a somewhat serious interviewer, and it's not all about sex and blowjobs. But I do still wear hoodies. But I do still wear hoodies. But I think that like, I think that is a tough needle to thread, right? Because then you have all of these people that you interacted with or worked with in the past who are like, hey, so when this was going on, it was messy in all of these ways, and that doesn't jive with what you're up to now. So it just feels like it's easier to hang on her. Can I get to the piece of this that I do find, maybe it's not funny. I hope everybody is in a safe work environment, but really made me laugh. I have to assume it's the same as mine. Go on. So the big thing that seems to be difficult about working at Unwell is that there's someone very high up at the top of the operation who is a yeller and who is difficult to be around and who scares people and who makes people feel like their work environment is not good. And several departures happened. The intonation is in part because of this at least. And to fill one of those vacant spots, Unwell hired Ellen Rocamora, who I have no reason to believe is not a lovely person as an individual, but who executive produced the Ellen DeGeneres Show for 10 years. For more than a decade. Which maybe makes her perfect for this. Or like, Ellen, this one, not DeGeneres, give yourself a break, babe. Like, go somewhere nice. Real blood for punishment, this Ellen Rocamora. Or she's part of it. No, you're not going so far as to allege that. No, right, right, right. This could be a really bad idea. But maybe, I mean, either way, she does have a decade of working somewhere where there was sort of secretly a reign of terror. Yeah, yeah. I mean, medium secretly a reign of terror. It was a secret for a long time. And I do believe that the social ecosystem is like extremely affected by our loss of the Ellen DeGeneres Show. I know. Like, there's nowhere for so many things to go except here, basically. Is it OK for me to say that I miss her? You miss her? I miss the existence of the Ellen DeGeneres Show. Yes. I don't wish that reign of terror on anyone. But I miss an environment in which Dakota Johnson would do those things and say those things. But also where, you know, someone who was like... Because Ellen also bullied celebrities. I miss Hawktua having a place to go that would absorb all of what Hawktua was and then it would not leak out further into the world. There is a leak because there is no Ellen DeGeneres jam. Right. It was like sort of carbon capture for a certain type of story. Yes. But like we didn't have Ellen when we got Hawktua. I just... Cue podcast, cue cryptocurrency scandal, cue who knows what she's working up next. She may have been a yeller, but she was holding this society together with duct tape. With duct tape and rage. You need apex predators to keep everything moving around. Yeah. Yes. Yes. There is an overpopulation of nonsense. Because Ellen DeGeneres, the shark, has been removed from the water going chomp, chomp, chomp, chomp. Exactly. Dancing with the stars is obviously also part of this ecosystem. If we lose that, where will our girls go to heal? People don't think these things are important until they lose them, and then it's Hawktua Central. So I don't know specifically how Ellen would play into this Alex Cooper dynamic, except probably tell her to actually scream more. Another blonde. Something's coming together. Something's coming together. I do need, just as a cap on this, I do need Alex Earl to come with whatever she said she was going to come with. Yeah, she's excited for Alex Earl to put up her shut up, I think. When she was like, on it. Okay, on it. Exclamation point. Are you on it? Are you on it, Alex? We need it. It's time. It's like you're not totally on it, to be honest. Bloomberg did its job. Could we please get the Alex Earl stepping in? I'd like to issue an anonymous thank you to the We're Obsessed General Counsel, who I won't name out of fear of exposing what she's doing with her privileges at work and being bitten because they are lawyers for sharing with us a gift copy of this article. You're saying gift copy. I'm one more level removed so I can say what it was, a PDF. It was a PDF. It was a PDF. I read this on a PDF. Oh, I support media but it is so hard to get a hold of Bloomberg. Bloomberg also, yeah, it's like every once in a while you really need access to Bloomberg. And sometimes you need that access to just be a little unaccredited. Yeah. I think it's okay. Sometimes you need the full-length PDF saved to file screenshots. Sorry to Michael Bloomberg. Yeah, so, so, we're so sorry. So sorry. We're so sorry. That's actually, sorry to Michael Bloomberg is a great way into our next segment, which I know people are going to think, that sounds a lot like real headlines that sound fake, but it's a little different. It's different. There's nuance. There's nuance because these news stories aren't so notable as to be news. There's simply things that happened that I am obsessed with and can't believe. And so I saw a tweet recently that has become immediate viral vernacular for me that simply said, we only got like 10 news sentences left. And it was in response to a New York Post article that was, of course, about the quadruple amputee cornhole player recently discussed on this very podcast, being pictured with a swastika scar before gunning down pal. Not great. Not really bad. Super, super bad. And also just a sentence where it's like, gosh, all of those things existed 10 years ago, but could they have happened? And there is just this sort of running social commentary that we're running out of sentences. The sentences that are coming together are not things we could have presumed. Do you know that this is like a Reddit? This is a subreddit. This is a pretty active subreddit. What's it called? I think it's r slash brand new sentence. Brand new sentence. And it's pretty funny on there. One that I love is, how does the little mermaid decide which creatures are her friends and which ones are her bra? Nora, I was pretty- I think it's a really good question. Which ones are her friends and which ones, well, she, I guess it's which ones she doesn't sort of murder to make them a bra. Also a new sentence. Yeah, because it's kind of like scallops and I don't think they're like hermit crabs where they vacate voluntarily. No, she had to kind of scrape it out of there. She's like doing evictions. Wow, that's- She's doing mollusk evictions. Leave it to Reddit to take us to a dark place. That's what the Walt Disney Corporation doesn't want you to know. They do. They want you to live in a healthy amount of fear. Okay, let's find some others, because I did love this. There was the one of the menswear guy, quote, tweeting some, like, right-wing account posting over a picture of Pope Leo, I'm Catholic, this is not my pope. And then readers added context, you are not a Catholic if you do not accept the pope. But rather a schismatic, canon 751, schism is the refusal of submission to the supreme pontiff, i.e. the pope. And then the menswear guy's quote tweet was, never seen someone get excommunicated by a community note. And so that was deemed to be a brand new sentence. Another was, are you putting milk in my milk? Which came from a situation that someone posted about where he had a roommate who thought that he was stealing his milk. So he started marking the levels on the bottom of milk. So then the guy started putting more milk in it. You're putting milk in my milk? Okay, I would say Reddit is taking it a few steps further. Yes, are you putting milk in my milk? Definitely a new sentence. I am putting milk in your milk. Yeah. You're loving it on there. Yeah, it's really fun on there. I actually like really, sorry, this is so dark, but one of them, because somebody had done one of those, like pay as you go, Ticketmaster things that's awful and shouldn't exist, but somebody screenshotted theirs and posted, I'm almost done paying off my Tate McCray ticket. And that was deemed to be a new sentence. I think it was. Well, a lot of times these sentences are, much like my experience with Summer House, something that make you sort of take a look in the mirror. Tik Tokers are speed running Scientology buildings in Los Angeles. Oh yeah, that's happening. Legendary Spanish matador can't eat, sleep and suffered immense pain from gruesome rectal goreing. By the way, New York Post. But that, this is actually a perfect segue also because I've gone on too long with this, but I'm really having fun. The next one as I scroll on this Reddit page is, I believe, what you wanted to address under this topic. Yes. I was thinking like it's so crazy that you haven't gotten to any of the like fresh sentences of this week as we rapidly run out of sentences. And for me, like the best example of this this week was the pasta sauce company Prego is launching a device that listens to and records conversations at the dinner table. The device is designed to capture laughter, stories, and everyday moments that can be revisited by Prego, who's stealing your data. Hey, Prego, no thanks. No thanks on spaghetti, big brother. It's awful to see a pasta sauce company become a villain. You never expect that. No, that's part of my family. Prego is family. Where do you buy this? The device? Yeah. It seems like something you have to send off for. Yeah. You have to send in your cereal box tops to get your AI surveillance device from Prego. Yeah. Another new sentence. Because they're not going to stock the grocery store shelves with this, right? Basically, it's Prego branded Alexa. Well, it reminds me of the Super Bowl ring camera commercial where they're like, now we can web together all of this ring footage to find your dog. It's like, that's not what that's for. This is back to your point from a couple of weeks ago about how nobody can have an affair anymore, have a successful affair. It's just, there's too much surveillance. It's coming from inside the house. It's coming from inside the Prego. It's coming from inside your bowl of store bought pasta. It's just like, it's such an absurd concept that that's what you would want. And I think that it comes alongside, per the photo, these sort of like conversation starters, which you know, we enjoy a dinner party question ourselves around, and we got one coming to you later. I'm kind of thinking about assigning a stolen valor on that one. Not that we, you know. You think Prego stole our valor? I don't know. I'm just mad. It's not like we have a monopoly on dinnertime conversations, but I don't think they should get this. But let's just say that when you send us your answers to the introspective questions that we propose, we're not writing them down, recording them, and then stealing your credit card. Yeah. I just think that I love introspective questions, and I hate this, and I don't like the combination of something I love and something I hate. Like, don't bring introspective questions into this, Prego. Stay away. Or into marinara sauce. Get a job. Get a job. Don't record my conversations to send off to God knows where. Right. It's not even- What do you want? I'm not saying anything that matters to you, Prego. Also, just being like, it's here to record laughter is haunting. I want to buy one of these things, and I'm going to say your pasta sauce is terrible. This is bad sauce. We should start feeding more bad information to the surveillance. Yeah. You guys want to start an alliance on that? Yeah. You guys want to get anything? We have a Spotify event coming up, and we should probably be working on spreading a rumor there. It seems like we could probably mix this in as well. We could all start collabing on this if the readers want to get together, help us come up with a couple of things. It came up the other day. I forget how. Um, who? Oh, gosh. Who was the celebrity that my friends and I were joking that I should start saying that my dad was dating and spread that rumor at my wedding? Oh, my gosh. I'm going to spread such a good rumor at your wedding. Okay. Oh, who was it? I'll probably remember by the end of the episode. Otherwise, I can... I'll check back in. Nora, can you do earmuffs? La, la, la, la, la. You can't make... I can't do that because... Yeah, I'm doing... I can't... This is a message to the reader. If you have any good ideas of rumors that I should spread at Nora's wedding, please DM me individually. Individually. Don't DM We're Obsessed. She might see it. She won't see it. You can DM We're Obsessed to it. We're Obsessed pod or on my personal Instagram. Okay. Come back in. You do know that my fiance listens to this podcast. Do I need to tell him not to? No, I want Bobby to DM me the rumor that he wants spread at his wedding. It is only a secret from you. Actually, Bobby DM me to talk to you about something. Oh no! You really? Okay. Anyways. I really did that. Sasha, cut that from Nora's brain. Nora, hit me with the next new sentence. Oh goodness. I'm great at rumors, terrible at secrets. You brought this one to my attention, so I think you should have to say it. Ottessa Moshfegh has announced her separation from her husband on Substack Notes. That's a brand new one. You sent this tiny screenshot. I think it was from a Substack. Well, because I was reading gift guide on Substack, and that's when I got this news. That Ottessa Moshfegh had announced her separation from her husband on Substack Notes, in a Substack Note from her direct Substack, which is either called or the subhead of is, it's Ottessa bitch, says, just FYI, Luke and I have been separated since July, and then she linked to her now ex-husband's Lit Hub article. Yes. Which would suggest amicable. Yeah, article, like I don't quite know what to call what she linked to. I couldn't tell if it was, cause he has a forthcoming book, and it seemed to me like maybe it was an excerpt from that, or maybe it wasn't, maybe it was just writing. I think that's a very classy thing to do. The article, his writing on it, it was sort of about, it honestly brought me back to the Ryan and Liz of Bamboo, yep, to be quite honest, which I don't think is a great compliment. I like her writing quite a bit. I'm not familiar with his outside of this, and it didn't set me off on the greatest foot, but yeah, it seems amicable. I honestly think that this is just like a win for Substack. Yes, as I'm looking at it even just structurally, it reminds me a little more of the Olivia Newtsey piece. Sure, yeah. Where there were just individual lines about fire constantly. And just like a really extended metaphor. A lot of extended metaphors, and this is her, is Ottessa's ex, Luke Goble, but is announcing something extremely, like a huge, important life event in a sub-stack note. Chic. Yeah, I think it's a little chic. Yeah. It's kind of like no skin off my back. And then I was on Reddit, like reading, just seeing what people were saying about this, because there's honestly like not that much here. She says one sentence. His piece is mostly about like, it's mostly about their house and writing, but then there are a couple of places where he sort of obliquely talks about the end of their relationship and like knowing something's dead. But since there's not a lot there, I wanted to see if there was stuff that I didn't know or things that I missed. I was on Reddit and somebody brought up the idea of when you are two people who sort of exist in the spaces that they exist in and people with sub stacks, people who write, people who are in culture in that way. At what point do you start to become a person who as your relationship is ending, you're thinking about the medium in which you're going to share that it ended? At what point like within your own personal life? At what point would you grow as sort of a creator? Does the line between life and content get so blurry for people that something can be, like you hear stand up comedians say things like there's sort of a disease of you're going through something and you're already thinking about the bit that you're going to do about it. Oh, I mean, I think like that's a point like I think about and I'm not like a book author yet, you know, but yeah, I don't mean that as like indicting of how they're handling this. Like again, this seems very graceful. It just seems actually so graceful that it brought my mind to at what point are these people who are so, like their identity is so tied to being authors. Does it kind of start to be about, I mean, yeah, I don't know that. It might sort of be interesting for people who like listen to podcasts or read these people and don't create the content to think about like, yes, that is something that's happening. I mean, permission to be vulnerable on the pod. I recently went through like a pretty big life change and early on when I was talking to my therapist about it, I was like, it's kind of weird because I'm feeling things, but I'm also sort of just like fascinated by the human behavior of what is happening here. And she was like, no, that's actually an extremely typical thing that you do. And she said it in that tone. She was like, she was like, you know, you are someone who like watches reality TV and reports on it for this reason, because you find human behavior fascinating and you, I mean, it's not exactly the same as what you're saying, that like, I often observe the things that are happening to me as like a creator, who's like, what do I say about this? How would I react to it if it weren't myself? And just, you know, fire a couple snarky notes at things off that like I'll never write or I'll never, but like, I do think about things like that. And often about things that actually I'll ultimately never announce in a sub stack note. Yeah, or maybe I will. And Ottessa was probably like, I probably won't announce this in a sub stack note. And then she did. I don't know what the reason was. Because she's like just FYI. Oh, I mean, I guess it's because he published this piece. I also think it's because his book is coming. Yeah. Right. And like, you know, she said they've been separated since July, so it was just kind of time to fire that sub stack note off. Yeah. It would not have been chic of her to write a sub stack. No, I think, right. It's one sentence. Incredibly chic. It is simply a sub stack note. To write it one sentence and fire off the link. The next sentence is one of my favorites. There was an Atlantic piece recently about FBI director Kash Patel and how he's a fucking mess and hammered and celebrating men's hockey when he should be out there finding criminals. But it was mostly, I believe it was called like Kash Patel is MIA, or like the director of the FBI is like missing in action. And that he is seeming like increasingly erratic. It seems like he has an issue with alcohol. And all of these sort of reports are coming in. And so people have been talking about this for a few weeks. And then this week I saw the sentence, Kash Patel is reportedly threatening to sue anyone who calls him J. Edgar Boozer. And I put this in the outline and said we can cut it. And you loved it so much that I just had to keep it as a little gift for you. That is a, I mean, this is a man who doesn't understand the Streisand effect. Among other challenges he seems to be facing personally and professionally. You like just said six words he doesn't know. I mean, he certainly doesn't understand. Kash Patel actually does have more than 10 sentences left. You're so right. There are certain fountains, wells, evergreen wells in our society of creators of new sentences and Kash Patel is one. Then leading to our next sentence, there are also certain people where there are just endless cycles of what you can do. It's just a mad libs of which celebrities you can put in correspondence with each other. When I saw this one this week, which I had somehow missed in the rumor mill. This hadn't come across my desk, is that Jacob Elordi and Kendall Jenner are dating now. Because they kissed at Coachella. Wow. Which is, you know. They had a little smooch. Kind of like an arranged marriage when your fringe gets intertwined in such a way that you're like, I guess we're dating now. I saw it first. Your hooks, your metal mesh gets stuck in his fringe, and you just have to be dating now. That's Coachella. Isn't there an episode of some medical show, probably Grey's Anatomy, that aired when we were children, where people get, isn't there two penis rings get stuck together, and then they have to go into surgery? That is either an episode of Grey's Anatomy or an urban legend that persists. Like, I've definitely heard such a thing, and that seems fairly plausible. I just have this vision of myself watching on a non-flat screen television, like when TVs used to be bulbous, and there's just some hot doctors on screen, and they're holding up the x-ray sheet, and it's... I have a few friends who currently still watch, like, a lot of network TV. And a while back... Why did I think you were going to say, I have a few friends who still have......whose penises have gotten stuck together? Not that they've told me, but actually, if you have any interesting, piercing incidents, please let us know at We're Obsessed 5. DM us at We're Obsessed 5. You can send those to Nora, too. Actually send those directly to Nora. Recently, a friend sent me, not a screenshot, a photo of a Fatback TV in a gym. He goes to some discount gym, but there's never anybody in there, and there's always Law and Order playing. I think it was Law and Order. He sent me a screenshot of a Nervana, you're describing. Exactly. No, this is a great time. His Mexico City is that gym. He is glowing. He's having the best time. He's going to showrooms. He's sending me pictures of TVs that have a poodle. It's just a poodle and like a caption that's like, I can't believe she was the killer. Not his caption, that is a caption from the show. Not the last time like an unexpected roll from a dog will come up in this episode of this podcast. And then he also sent me one of something that I could not tell visually what it was. And it was a nipple ring that someone was storing data in. Also about a murder. Yeah. And the caption from the closed captioning said, that's where he keeps his data. And then last night, my friend Allison, that I'm always staying with when I'm in New York, she watches this show that I can't believe is real. And I will overhear her watching it. It is called Will Trent. And I think it's on Hulu, but it maybe airs on ABC. Say that again. Will Trent. Will Trent. Like that is the man's name. First name Will, last name Trent. He is talking like... What network is this on? I don't know. I think ABC. Oxygen? Because I think it's... He is doing like an accent like Benoit Blanc if he had marshmallows stuffed in his cheeks and marbles in his ears. Like no offense to this man who my friend loves. He sounds insane. I said, Allison, why is he talking like that? And she said, he didn't have parents growing up. And somehow within the premise of the show, that explains they're in Atlanta. And he's like, oh, we're going to get to the bottom of it. Because he didn't have parents growing up. He didn't have parents growing up. He didn't have parents growing up. So he has this insane accent. Then she's actually kind of, that's like kind of my grandfather's deal. Oh, cause he's from New Zealand, right? Cause he's like from New Zealand, kind of. Yeah, so he's being kind of from, yeah. Did he have parents growing up? Well, his mom died and his father was alive, but it was a long time ago and men didn't raise children. So he got sent to New Zealand and was, I think around more sheep than humans for a while. And he does have a crazy accent. There might be some connection here. Maybe I shouldn't have laughed so boldly in Allison's face. And yet somehow all of this led to her then describing like every plot line from 911 over the last two years to me. And she kept, cause I was like, man, I got to check back in on 911 because I miss knowing these plot lines. I'm always wanting to check back in on 911. And she was like, she was trying to tell me how certain characters had died. And she kept getting confused because she was like, well, there was a meteor shower that struck a nuclear tower on a college campus. I was like, the meteor shower that just happened that we just saw the trailer for. And she was like, wait, wait, wait, that's not right. There was a nuclear tower on a college campus? That's what Allison said. My number one source for 911. And she kept getting so mixed up. What is going on in the Butter Palace? I want to listen to a podcast where someone describes 911 to me. And sometimes your friends just are a podcast. But also I might want to make that podcast. Stay tuned. Um, so, how did we get here? Somehow this was about Jacob Elordi and Kendall Jenner kissing at Coachella. Oh my god. Kissing at Coachella. Your mesh and my mesh. Yeah. And we can get some we mesh. Their piercings aligned. Their botega bags connected. The straps, the leather straps went together. The weave became continuous. And now Kendall Jenner is dating Jacob Elordi. I guess my response a little bit to this was like, I'm busy. I don't actually don't have the time. That's kind of how I felt about Harry Styles and Zoe Kravitz maybe being engaged. But also my thing with that is like she has a sponsorship with Jessica McCormick, who's a London based jeweler who I can't afford but I'm obsessed with. And I just think that she has a lot of jewelry that looks like engagement jewelry, but also maybe IDK. I mean, I will say that Sasha kind of like gave me one point of entry of interest, which was the very chic trench coat that Zoe was wearing in the photos where she appeared to have an engagement ring on. But other than that, I'm just kind of like- Because they are a mood board as a couple. And I can't go further than that. I'm on Pinterest right now. When I'm being shown photographs of Zoe Kravitz and Harry Styles, I emotionally am on Pinterest. And that's not like a deep and inquisitive space. I just want to see things that look pretty and so far so good. You know the story about Zoe Kravitz losing a snake in Taylor Swift's house, right? I have heard the story, yes. Okay. That colors everything I think about Zoe Kravitz. That was a new sentence at the time. Yeah. I think about it often. Now it's just canon as all of these sentences become, I want to say something catty. But ultimately, I think supportive. Yes. Which is that I thought I didn't have an interest in this, but I do because I would like for Zoe Kravitz to maybe remarry, to marry Harry Styles so that she can get a do-over on that last wedding dress. Yeah. Where she looks like a child ballerina. I just saw a photo of that recently. Was it viral or something? Well, it's going around because of this, I think. I had forgotten. It's that one where I think her stylist or her makeup artist or someone is leaning over to do something with her necklace. Yeah. Because of the T-length hem, the flats, the long waist, the big tulle skirt, she just genuinely looks like a child. Yes. I want her ballet flats on a very small person already. I want her to ultimately have a different wedding dress as someone who maybe seems somewhat wedding motivated. So we'll see. I guess that's what we're tracking. This is how disinterested I am in Jacob Elordian. Here's what I will say. He's going to get back together with Lori Loughlin's daughter. That's what I always feel about his relationships that are not with Lori Loughlin's daughter, who tried to cheat and get into Harvard, is that like their joke, they're not real. They never seem real. It's something he's doing to pass the time before he returns home. And that's not fair. Why do you think that is? I have no idea. Is it just because they came together at a difficult time for her, and therefore my reputation's never been worse, so you must like me for me? Taylor Swift, Jacob Elordi? Sure. Snake in my mouth. Taylor Swift, Olivia Jade Giannulli? Sasha has given an important correction, which was that Olivia Jade, her real name, was trying to cheat her way into USC, not Harvard. So sorry. So sorry. I'm sorry. So sorry. Amongst the scandal. Apologies. The podcast regrets the error. I do regret it. I do regret it. I have no regrets. Because factually, I want people to always be able to get back to the fact that they were Photoshopping those girls into rowing photos in order to make it seem like they were on the rowing team. In the meantime, even if this is just like a temporary touching down for him, they are both very beautiful people, so I get it. Also, I saw a post that was like, this means that Jacob Elordi, Timothee Chalamet and Lewis Hamilton might all be at the same Christmas. Might be brothers-in-law. Might be brothers-in-law and are all going to be hanged. That I'm in favor of. I saw a tweet that's- You look so guilty. What are you about to say? Because it's mean, but I'm safe because Club Chalamet doesn't like Timothee Chalamet anymore, so she won't hear this. That said, oh good, Jacob Elordi and Timothee Chalamet can lose their Oscars together now. I didn't say it. Somehow Lewis Hamilton was included in that. Oh yeah, I mean, I guess he did also because of that. He was like the executive producer on a movie. Anyways, they're all losing Oscars. He was like, he was in the F1 movie kind of. But who is- But I don't think he was Oscar nominee. Who is Khloe going to date now? Because like this is really a trio of superstars. Yeah. Who is like a superstar internet boyfriend to make sense for Khloe? An attorney. Like I would like for her to date the most normal person possible. I would like for him to wear slacks. Well, it's kind of like the one Jonas brother who married a normal person. Yeah. Kevin? Oh, Kevin. But Kevin's also a normal person. Yeah. He just happens to be a Jonas brother. Kevin is a part-time contractor who is also a touring Jonas brother. So this is a little different. But yeah, the combination of Timmy, Jacob Elordi and Lewis Hamilton as the current who's coming to dinner on Friday night is Kris Jenner's dream, you got to be happy for Kris Jenner in this moment. I mean, also this is like Kendall's recent run, Harry Styles, Devin Booker, Bad Bunny, Jacob Elordi. I mean, the greed. The sheer greed, let's be honest. She has what I want. Yeah. Fake relationships. Maybe it's real, maybe it's love. It's like, what is the thing that people are saying are stuck together? This is the greed they talked about in the Bible. Yeah, this is biblical. 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[60:52] Learn more at wellsfargo.com/activecash. Terms apply. Nora, what is happening in Hollywood? Originally, that was going to be my theme for the week is like, what is happening in Hollywood? What's going on out there? With my beloved actresses of Screen, something is happening where over the past week, like every beloved actress with a lot of power and a lot of money and a lot of platforms to speak on has really full-throatedly started shilling for AI. Reese Witherspoon, who, and she's actually been beaten this drum for a while. Yeah. But again this week is making it a feminist imperative to get behind AI, that women need to get behind AI or we will be left behind, which like- Okay. I have not seen whatever data Reese Witherspoon is looking at. You don't have that JSTOR login. I don't have- You don't have that data. That's not- I'm not getting those briefing memos. You're not there yet. I just feel like anecdotally, men should be more scared of AI than women. I think we all should be scared, but I just feel like they're the ones who are going to fall in love with Chet GBT. Well, exactly. So basically- And I feel like my understanding is that that is already something that is happening, is that given how social isolation is such a crisis, particularly for men, and that AI tools are a really big part of why that is such a trap door in our society, like I'm just a little skeptical of this for a couple. I'm skeptical of her specific points here, as well as the overall thing, one, because it is just really annoying when somebody takes something obviously bad and like cloaks it in feminism, but two, because I'm just like, I'm a little, I'd like to see the facts and figures. Well, let me give you some facts and figures that I have the access. I got the login. She is saying that she says in her caption, well, I've decided it's time. The AI revolution has begun and I need to learn as much as I possibly can about AI and share it with all of you. Because FYI, and these are the facts and figures, the jobs women hold are three times more likely to be automated by AI. Yet women are using AI at a rate 25 percent lower than men on average. We don't want to be left behind. So do you want to learn with me? So Reese Witherspoon, what I'm hearing is that women will be most negatively affected by AI. So we need to adapt to this thing. Lean in. We need to lean into AI as opposed to, I don't know, maybe putting your whole ass behind regulating AI. Also, again, this isn't in her facts and figures, but from what I understand, one of the real perils of this is that the more you use artificial intelligence to assist with things that humans are already doing and are already capable of doing. I'm not talking about things like trying to cure diseases or filling in knowledge gaps. I'm talking about having it write your e-mails for you. There seems to be a lot of evidence that people pretty quickly lose those skills that they don't think that they can lose. So if women are less likely to be using those AI tools right now, my reaction to that is good. We're still going to be able to write a sentence on our own. I'm playing the long game and when the AI bubble burst, which it will, and you know how I know, because celebrities are shilling for it, because they're being paid to do so, when the bubble burst, I will still know how to use an M dash, almost, with an editor. I will hang on to my consistently conflicted feelings about whether or not I overuse it or if it's just a great tool in language, but I'll still know how to do it. I will still use it as a pause because I can do that as a human. I can make the creative decision to create an essay that uses fire as a metaphor and bamboo as a metaphor, and I will still know how to write an email when the 25 percent more men who are using AI won't know how to do that. I have an idea, Reese Witherspoon. Maybe women should continue holding out so that we actually counterbalance things and topple patriarchy by continuing to know how to not use AI. So Reese Witherspoon, of course, this is a bummer for multiple reasons, including that Reese Witherspoon is a beloved figure of our lives and childhood. I will say that she is someone who I love her because of what she's given me in culture, and then sometimes there are things that she does, particularly in this more recent era of her career and her businesses outside of acting, or sometimes I'm like a little, I look at scans, the next person, this is hard for me, this one's hard. This is an extremely tough break, which is that Sandra Bullock went to the same luncheon as Reese Witherspoon, more on that later maybe, and is now telling us that we have to lean into AI and make it our friends, which is actually the worst possible way that you could phrase it. This is the type of thing that, you know all those things about how people, political polarization is so difficult to solve because when people are emotional about how they feel, evidence to the contrary of their beliefs actually just entrenches their beliefs. I want to be like a hypocrite about this. I want to be like, I don't want to talk about it. It's okay, like... You want to sweep this aside. Okay. I love Sandra Bullock so much. Would it help if I told you, unlike Reese Witherspoon, it kind of just sounds like she hasn't thought about it that much, but she probably is also getting a paycheck. She said, I know it's not great, but it's also exciting. Yeah, she said, I know it's not great. I know it's not great. That's my girl. She said, I know it's not great, but I'm going to compromise my morals and values to get some paycheck for sure. But it's also exciting because that means there's a desire for it, and it means that people want to come and play with the- she's talking about AI. I mean, the worst part is that this is as part of promoting practical magic too, which I don't want anywhere near AI. Me neither. But I also don't want Sandra Bullock anywhere near AI. And she's not. Do you think these women are- I don't know. Maybe they are using ChatGPT to write their emails, but I just- there is such a distance between what they're trying to influence, and I think like the actual ways that their lives are affected, and that is when you get like the crashing reminder that celebrities aren't- Well, like these are actors, you know, like they're wonderful actors, and I mean, these are also women who make movies and have, you know, done even more extensive, like behind the scenes work in their later careers, but like they're not- they're not technology influencers. Like they're not thinking about the sort of ramifications. I'll tell you who really wasn't thinking. Did you just read it live? I just like- I read it before, but there's just something, it struck me once again. Charlize Theron spoke out on Timothee Chalamet's recent remarks about the ballet and opera, which you know, we were all clamoring for her to do. When will Charlize speak? When he said, Charlize Theron breaks her silence on Timothee Chalamet's comments regarding ballet and opera. I said, when will Charlize speak about this? You know who we haven't heard from on this, and it's really, I mean, the silence is deafening. It's Charlize. She said about his comments about ballet and opera, in 10 years, AI is going to be able to do Timothee's job, which is to say her job as well, but it will not be able to replace a person on a stage dancing live. And it's like, girl, I get who you're trying to defend, and you should defend them. You have chosen a terrible argument, which is like not true. Yeah, it doesn't make sense. What does she think that means? The AI, it can act, it can do theater, but it can't dance. She's saying like everything that Timothee does is on a screen. So AI can create films that imitate people that will be ultimately based on Timothee Chalamet, if that were like actually the future and Charlize Theron, and it will never be able to replace something live. I know someone who hasn't been to that ABBA hologram show. I know someone who's never seen those robots, the gallop like horses. Like that's actually something Timothee Chalamet can't even do. That's not true. He is a very strange physical person. That's actually what those hips are made for. He probably could do that with those German Shepherd hips. I don't know what is going on, except that I did send you an extreme hearsay tweet, where someone had- Allegedly. Alleged, and someone had put together a compilation of all of these actresses randomly shilling for AI all of a sudden and said, was there a luncheon or something? Someone tweeted back, there literally was- Are you ready for another new sentence? My wife talked to a hairstylist that went to the luncheon. It was in Nashville. Actually, that's an Evergreen statement. Yeah. My wife talked to a hairstylist. Yeah. Is how all of the most important information has come down through our time. It's how knowledge is passed between the generations. That's true. That's what's frustrating is like, that is the best way for women to pass knowledge. This is how we do it. We don't... Also men, the barber shop. Yeah, but there's isn't trustworthy. Our intel is good. I think it's trustworthy when it happens at the barber shop. You think that's it? It is a sacred space. I just think that you can tell when... I think it's trustworthy because when it's wrong, you know it's wrong. Oh. So I'm still having to do the work? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I think that's... Okay. Okay. I just... If anyone has more information on this like Mary Kay luncheon that was held in Nashville to get Sandra Bullock to come out in support of AI, even though she knows it's not great, I would love some intel. I'm trying to start my own Whisper Network about the Nashville AI team. DM us at weareobsessedpod on Instagram. It's going to be a lively one this week, Sasha. If you were at the luncheon. If you were at the luncheon or your hairdresser was at the luncheon, everybody say thank you, The Cut. Everybody also say, hey, The Cut, you good? You good? You good? Everything good over there? You good? Hey, The Cut, you good? Because we got, you know, PTL, praise the Lord, another viral personal essay. An article that I think has been at the top of the most read list of The Cut, basically all week, as far as I've seen. And I don't know, it is, it is the, do we want to get into, like, the question this made us pose first, or do we want to get into the article first? Let's stop at the article for a moment. Okay. It's got a doozy of a concept. It sort of hits on this very relevant topic, while also being this first person narrative where the person who's writing it is sort of, like, seemingly exposing something internal in them that they don't totally realize they're exposing, which is, of course, the magic of a cut personal essay, which often come from, like, a very specific demographic, which is to say kind of like us, kind of like we could do this. The headline is Losing My Friend Over Wigovie. And the sub-headline is, She hid her semiglutide use knowing that I would spiral. She was right. We haven't spoken since. No one's doing it. Like, the cut in this regard. After just being like, let's get into the article, which I do want to do, I am going to say one thing about the side conversation that we were having about what an amazing job it is to be the freelance pitches person at The Cut. That person is incredibly powerful and is brilliant and wonderful. And they're also, I think they are capable of being the angel on some people's shoulders. And I think they are capable of being the devil on somebody's shoulder. This is actually something that we'll get into, but it reminds me of a reality TV producer. It's like you're getting the best of someone, you're comforting them through something difficult. And you also in the back of your mind are like, this is entertainment. Yeah, girl, you should write that essay. You should write that essay. And then I'll go ahead and I'll write the headline. Because editors write headlines. Like, you read an article from Nora RI., it is very rare that we have written the headline or the subhead. And so someone at The Cut who is not Sophia Ortega, who wrote this piece, wrote, Losing my friend over Wigovie. She hit her semitglutide use knowing that I would spiral. She was right. We haven't spoken since. That ultimately does come through in the piece. Yeah. But like, it's when these things catch on, when these first-person essays go viral, sometimes they're sort of easy to discuss and be like, I mean, I think about the woman who put $50,000 in a shoebox every day, like the woman who was the financial editor at The Cut. That was obviously their biggest hit. That's their greatest hit. When we make a greatest hits listicle of The Cut essays, that will likely be number one with a bullet. That one was pretty easy to discuss because it was like, you have made so many errors due to, I don't know, like a huge combination of things. This is written from a perspective of someone who is really struggling with something. She has been recovering from an eating disorder for a lot of her life. She is very triggered by GLP-1 use. I have heard this anecdotally that even just knowing that GLP-1s exist can be difficult for people who have struggled with eating disorders. They can also anecdotally and factually help people with certain eating disorder behaviors at certain times. That's the thing. GLP-1s are kind of this social marker. But they are also literally medicine. And if you sort of replace this medicine, Wigovie or a GLP-1, within this piece, with any other medicine, it reads really crazy. So badly, like, it's really, really not good. You shouldn't use your medicine prescribed to you by a doctor because knowing about it could harm me. But this is probably where we need to get into the nuts and bolts. Right. So, okay, this is a person who has spent the, like, vast majority of her life, I believe she describes her disordered eating beginning at around age nine. So she has spent the vast, vast, vast, vast, vast majority of her life in, like, most of her, you know, sort of formed years, either seriously struggling with disordered eating or in recovery. And so it has dominated her life one way or another. And this is a person who tries very hard and seems reliant on moving through the world in a way where she encounters as few reminders of the existence of diet culture or a preference toward thinness in society or the tools that can be used to support disordered eating as possible. She describes her favorite ex as someone who, when they traveled, would go into a hotel room and make sure there wasn't a scale there and tell her that it was safe to come in, which actually, like, that's very sweet. So yes, that's a very, like, very helpful and supportive move from a loved one. And it seems like, from what we learn of her in this essay, that she does mostly surround herself with people who will have an awareness of this, you know, issue and help her with it. Like, and we should all be so lucky to have friends like that. The essay begins with the writer agreeing to watch her friend's foster dog. It also, like, very quickly has a parenthetical that this friend has housed her when she was out of a job. You do pretty quickly arrive at the understanding that these are two people whose, and I think this seems to go both ways, whose boundaries with each other are really, really loose. And maybe that's, like, mutually comfortable and happy, but, like, this starts with, there's a last minute request to watch her, quote, unruly foster dog. And then the author says that they recently lived together because the friend let her move in after she lost her job and had to sublet her own place to make rent. Um, her cat stays in this apartment when she travels. Uh, so, like, yeah, they, well, and there's also a comfort level there. So she's in the house. She opens the refrigerator, presumably to get something. And probably the, a number one pull quote from this piece. When I saw the box of wagovi, my first thought was, it's for the dog. Which, you know, I do marvel at, like, the brain's ability to protect. Yeah. And to, you know, she needed in this moment to not see this and to not believe that her friend was doing it. And she said, it must be, it must be dog wagovi. That's dog wagovi. That is a GLP-1 dog. It is a doozy of a paragraph. It starts that way and it ends with, seeing a weight loss drug in my dear friend's fridge felt like being cheated on, a confounding betrayal. I guess that I would like to point out that obviously a lot of the pain with the writer experiences comes from the friend not telling her. But the friend is not telling her in order to protect her. Yes. Because you can have the boundary of that you need to not have knowledge of things that exist in the world. Yeah. She says, I'm not oblivious. I know GLP-1s are everywhere, but as prevalent as semaglutides have become, I've been equally vigilant about avoiding them. Right. So the friend has made a mistake. I'm imagining that she called from work to see if she could take care of the dog or something like that. Yeah. Didn't think about, I mean, maybe she didn't think her friend would open her refrigerator. I think that she should think that this friend would open her refrigerator. I do think that if somebody has lived with you, they're probably going to open your fridge. That's true. But, so I mean, yeah, like, there's sort of an accident in letting the writer see that the Wigovie is in there, but it seems like she's done a careful job of not letting her friend know that she is using this. Well, I think, like, there's a little bit of a fuzzy feeling of reading this, of... Is this a story about someone needing to draw a particular boundary to protect themselves, or is this someone who's judging her friend? And I think the author would claim that it's the former, and I'm not sure that that, by the end, feels completely plausible. Right, because within the piece, she forefronts a lot as the issue being that her friend is using Wigoby, and not simply that that is the kind of knowledge that she cannot have in her mental state without spiraling. It's also, and I think this would be an editorial note, although I guess it could potentially not be expressed because it would be even more violating to the privacy of the friend who's prescribed medicine we're talking about in The Cut. It never really goes addressed if the friend is using the medicine for weight loss, which I could see how that would be triggering to someone who is in intense recovery from an eating disorder, or if the friend is using it for some other medical reason, or in conjunction with each other. I mean, the comments on this are an interesting space, but one thing that comes up so often is people talking about either PCOS or endometriosis. And yeah, like you just don't know, and you do get the sense that you are hearing from a somewhat unreliable narrator, who at one point, like I think she has this phrase where she describes her friend as orienting her life toward thinness. And it feels a bit heavy. It feels like a pretty heavy thing to hang on someone. Permission to be vulnerable on the pod. Permission granted. I have used a GLP-1 for medical reasons. I thought about that decision a lot in regards to like, what it means to me as someone who has done a lot of work to reject fat phobia, to not focus a life on thinness, like to choose to orient against the society that created this structure instead of against my own body personally, which like ultimately benefited from it. But I would never, and while I was using it, well, and I'm still in a maintenance toast, but like would never just out and talk to anyone about it because it is like a very triggering space. And I guess I probably should have given a trigger warning that we would be talking about GLP-1s and weight loss, which can be difficult for a lot of people, and like a lot of women especially, to enter into that kind of conversation. And when you are shocked by it, like when that enters the conversation when you weren't prepared for it, it's like I wouldn't just bring that up with a friend because I don't know how they'll receive it. And I did a lot of personal work on like how I would receive it. And I just have to know, especially if I'm like, you know, saying it openly, that everyone won't know that. Like everyone won't know my reasons. They won't know the work I've done. And we have to deal with that at all times of our lives. Of like, people don't always know your perspective and your perspective can't save you. Only your mindset can. And your comfort with your own choices and your own mindset and your own reasons. And so like I will, yes, that was like the line within the piece as someone who is like somewhat personally affiliated and affected with like this general discussion topic when she just outright says that her friend is orienting herself and her life around thinness when we can't tell within the piece if she ever even asked her friend what the use scenario was for it. Well, and it seems likely that maybe she didn't because it gets, like, and I don't know that, but it does seem clear that this is so triggering to her that, like, I don't get the idea that, I don't get the impression that this is someone who's gonna then have an extended conversation about this. Because it seems like she can't. Right. And because they also say that they've had very little contact, they were supposed to, so the friend, the friend who was taking Wigovie hosted a book club that they're both in where they were reading All Forest by Miranda July. This also irked me a little bit where it just seems like what the author kind of intimates is like, where she comes down ultimately is that she says to the friend, I'm really sorry, but I'm not coming because of the Wigovie. I just don't feel comfortable. I'm paraphrasing. And it sort of seems like what she's saying is, I just don't want to be in that environment. I'm gonna think about it. It's not healthy for me. But it also, she ties it to the book and she ties it to the fact that All Forest is about a woman who embraces her body and embraces pleasure in all of its. She says, it was my favorite book of the year about a woman rediscovering her body as a vessel for pleasure and choosing to indulge her appetites, no matter the mess. And so it came off to me, kind of as her saying to her friend, like, you don't deserve to relate to All Forest because you're making this choice. And that like, it's just really judgmental. Yeah, like that you no longer know how to indulge your appetites, or like you no longer. And there are certainly like, medical, scientific, you know, facts and figures around the way that these medicines can affect your appetite. There's also like a lot of growing data around the way that they can be used and like, not in such an intense way. They can sort of be like micro, like, but so much of the information that is forefronted is around women who want to lose weight is like, well, like we are in this moment where like, skinny is so back in and you see, like you do see a lot of celebrities and a lot of people who set the beauty standards in culture on red carpets in beautiful clothes, looking scary, looking emaciated. And I think it's a pretty safe conclusion to draw that GLP ones have something to do with that. And it is complicated. And if you are this person who, you know, seems to be in a place in recovery that still would really hamper a lot of just going through your day. And living, like, going about your life. I can imagine that right now when every ad, like every other ad, I mean, we all, like, the Super Bowl, like, you are surrounded by it. I mean, there's always, like, the sort of joke of, like, the online prescription service, Hims and Hers. It's like, Hims is like, you can get a boner. Do you want to be rock hard and have more hair? Do you want to not have to go to Turkey? And Hers is like, you better fucking lose weight. You better lose weight. You better lose weight. And it's like, yes, this is the state of being hers. This is what it's like to be not Hims. Right, right. Which is of course not to exclude men from, you know, also having constant pressures and thoughts about their bodies as well. Women being sort of like extended is what like there was when I was trying to find this article on The Cut, I think I just Googled like GLP won The Cut. And the first one that came up was a headline that was like, I can't believe I'm not on a GLP one yet. Yeah. And of course, like I am, I am so scared of the state of the world and what happens when it's like, well, anyone can be thin now. So everyone should be thin. And it's like, that is not the world that I want to live in. And those sort of like, that messaging is everywhere. And I do feel for this woman in this way. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's just an incredibly complicated thing that is going on within our society. Also, like neither of us, and I imagine that this person would say the same thing, would want to live in a world where someone struggling with something with their health, or someone who would have a particular difficulty being as healthy as they can be, like loses an access to just like, that certain people, because of the benefit of the genetic lottery or whatever, like that that's available to some people and not to, like it's just really complicated. It's, and it's, it's super present topic, which is why, like, there are so many pieces in The Cut that from one angle or another cover this. I just, like, I think the bottom line with this piece is that it just comes across as someone judging an ostensibly close friend over a choice that they've made with their own body and seemingly with the support and guidance of the doctor. Right. And it's from the point of view of someone who has made a difficult choice that they feel they have to make for their health. Like, and that is a parallel, that is, like, a level of empathy that is not extended within the piece. Is that it is from the point of view of a person who is making a difficult choice for their health and they do not extend that empathy to their friend to say, I understand she might be making a difficult choice for her health. Our choices simply do not align and we can't be friends anymore. It's like, you could maybe take that conclusion, but it is not really given within the messaging of the keys. And she kind of says that she doesn't feel bad. Like, she's like, scroll, scroll, scroll. I miss her, but of all my breakups, this has been the least painful, not because our love was platonic, but because it was an act of self protection. My boundaries are unforgiving because they have to be. Okay, like that last sentence, if that's really true, like I wouldn't deny someone or say that there's anything inherently wrong with saying, it's a dangerous situation for me to even be in a space where I might open the kitchen and see a GLP-1. I think that's a hard way to move through the world right now. But like, if you want to say that, okay. For it to kind of be like, and this wasn't that sad for me because I had to do it for myself. It comes across as pretty narcissistic, I would say. Pretty dismissive of her friend. Like this person who let you live with her when you got laid off. Who has also experienced a loss and when she doesn't go to the book club, she texts her friend, I'm really sorry, but I don't think I can come today. I know this sucks, but the Wigovia of it all is just too triggering for me right now. And the Wigovia of it all has become quite an earworm for me. That's the Wigovia of it all. And I think another sort of, and I can see the ways in which this affects me, or I read this from a personal and subjective point of view, is the line about orienting thinness. And then she ends the piece, and she's talking about her health and growing, and it's like, you want those things for her, and it's clear that she's done a lot of work. She says, now when my appetite crests, I feel grateful. What a treat to look forward to eating. Hunger is the body's announcement that it is alive and wants to stay that way. And I don't disagree. But also, I feel those things. And it does feel like she's saying that her friend will no longer and doesn't and yeah. And that like she no longer experiences hunger. And that's not something she knows because she didn't talk to her friend about it. If she can't talk to her friend about it, because that's not a safe thing for her to do, that is fine. But she should not presume that her friend does not experience hunger, or feel alive, or prioritizes thinness over feeling alive. I mean, those could be true things, but she doesn't know that. Right, because what it makes this is a story about the extremity of the point in recovery that this person has reached right now, which sounds really challenging. And you read this with a lot of empathy for the writer, because you can tell that she's struggling. But I don't think that it comes across as though she realizes that this is a story about where she is in recovery and her struggles with that. And if there is one thing about a personal essay in The Cut, it's that there is something very vital that the author doesn't realize, that the editor probably does realize is missing, and they have not made the editorial note, hey, you should bring in this perspective to win the audience over, which is generally the goal of a piece of writing, or if you aren't winning the audience over, it's to know it. That's not what the editors at The Cut are doing. They are serving us just a really certain brand of lack of self-awareness. They will never save you from yourself. Which when we ultimately started passing this piece around, Sasha sent us, I'm also just noticing that Sasha just has in like large italic print in the outline, it's for the dog. It's for the dog. A tweet from Aaron Ryan that said, does The Cut have one editor whose job it is to specifically encourage emotionally vulnerable writers to turn in pieces that make them sound insane? Then Sasha said, dream job. Which, okay, rude. You get to hear our voices in your ears nonstop every day. Imagine the pitches they get. No. That's the best inbox in the world. I know because I'm sure there is a level of people trying to play the system. They're like, I'm going to get this essay off. I'm going to send them the craziest pitch. But I believe that the editors at The Cut can tell when a heart is pure. And when a complete lack of self-awareness and or narcissism is pure and embedded in that person and they are not doing it for the viral acclaim that it will get them. They simply cannot help themselves. This led us to talk about and precipitate the introspective question, what is the best job in the world? I mean, I can't get over this one. It's being the essays editor in The Cut. It's being the person who, yes, essays editor or the person who receives the freelance pitches and gets to just go through them. Yeah. I personally think I would find that fairly tedious, but you and Sasha have agreed. You get to ask follow-up questions. Like you get to go back to the people and be like, oh, like one thing that I was wondering about is, like when you first saw the Wagovi in the refrigerator, like what was your immediate thought? And they're like, oh my gosh, well, I assumed it was for the dog. I thought it was for the dog. Check. We've actually got your check already written. You should include that in the piece. They're like, you should, yeah, you're hired and include that in the piece and we're actually giving you a financial bonus for just such a thought. There's also a moment in the piece where like, it's like right after she's found it and she looks around and she goes, the dog was on the counter. Everything was wrong. Nothing was as it should be. I totally forgot about that. What's happening with this dog? I know that like in cat households, sometimes cats get on the counters. Totally. But the dog was on the counter. How was the dog on the counter? I've seen a dog put their front paws up on a counter to get a loaf of bread. But like, and I've seen a dog be like placed on a counter. Like a dog that is already in the air, like held. In the period of time that she was standing with the refrigerator doors open, staring at the dog, Wigovie. The dog was like, the dog was on the counter as if to say, that's my Wigovie. And like, I don't know, did we, maybe the other woman was ultimately protecting the dog, and it was the dog's Wigovie. All signs actually point that nothing is as it should be. It was that dog's Wigovie. The dog was on the counter, that was his Wigovie. And he's pissed. And he also had to dissolve a friendship. But Nora, you know what's crazy? Is that like, I think this job that everybody wants, everybody who works with me wants, is actually open. There is a listing. Sasha, you can't leave. Sasha, you're ours. Unless you get this job, and then will you let us write some deranged essays? There is an open job for the senior editor of Essays and Columns at The Cut, listed on Vox Media. The Cut is seeking a senior, do you think it's because the former one was driven to madness? Probably. That's what I think. You guys are like, this would be so fun to read. I'm like, this would drive me to insanity. I can barely read these things. No, you're working with a very particular personality consistently. I can handle a lot of second-hand embarrassment in watching TV, like an extreme amount, but there's something about the written word where there is a lack of self-awareness that is, obviously I read it in this way. Interesting, I think I go the other way. I think you do. I love the read out. Because you're ready for that inbox of financial advisors putting $50,000 in a shoebox. The link that Sasha put to this job listing is attached. I found this job listing. Okay, so that you put it. I didn't put it until the end so Sasha wouldn't see it. But there's a tweet attached to it that says by Cara Kennedy, someone should profile the commissioning editor of personal essays at The Cut. I need to know what kind of freak we're working with. A real freak, like a Nora and Sasha type freak. Hell yeah, baby. Belle hasn't weighed in, but I think Belle would be on my side. Belle is one of the most capable women in the world. In show business. But I think for the exact same reasons as she would be raptured, this is not right for her. That is correct, this isn't for her. She would be like, Belle would actually, Belle would save lives in this job because people would submit their essays and then Belle would say, Belle would call them and be like, hey, like I wanted to talk about how you're feeling because it just like, I wondered. And here's my therapist number and maybe like straight to a professional source. And it would lead to so much good, but nothing would get published. Oh, no. The Cut would cease to exist. Our reader, Bethany, sent us the funniest DM that really brought this home for me. And she said, this is a much more sinister version of me finding out my best friend of 10 years you sun in and her hair was not naturally as blonde as it looked. And it's like, yeah, it is that. It is that thought you have when you're 11 where you're like, wait, wait a second, somebody's doing something I don't know about and I don't like it. And also, can I have it? No, the piece does not ultimately extend to that. And I want it. Do you announce to your friends when you get botox? Certain friends. Yeah, it's so hard to be a woman. I always announce when it's hard to be a woman. Hey, I've taken advantage of something that exists in the world that I wanted to do for myself, but that might, flashing siren, have a relationship with certain beauty standards that fall more heavily on women than men, though they certainly fall on men too. And I just wanted to let you know that. I just have a standard text template that's like, hey, just FYI, today I am subscribing to the patriarchy because it ultimately will benefit me in some ways because I actually do live under that structure, but also we're trying to topple it and I will get back to that tomorrow. I will get back to that work. ASAP, I will be doing that tomorrow. Please submit any questions and comments to The Cut Editor. To The Cut Editor. You can submit those to essaysatthecut.com. Directly to essays at the Cut. I won't be taking questions at this time. I am working on my essay. It's really real. Yeah. No, it's impossible to be a woman. It's so hard. That's why so many women are obsessed with these viral articles because they are ultimately about how it's impossible to be a woman. It's a tough break for all of us. Some of us are dealing with it more publicly than others. I include myself in that. I have a public podcast where I'm dealing with being a woman at certain times. Thank you for being vulnerable on Pod. Thank you for being vulnerable on Pod and showing your face on the Internet, Nora. Something that we're doing. I would just like to say about what's the best job in the world. That when I just always remember- Well, it's Zookeeper. It's like animal thing. Okay. It is animal thing because Sasha said that maybe it's like dog walker and it is like dog walker, but I got to say about Mexico City. The reason you are finding me so delighted. Look in your eyes right now. It's because of all the things I heard about Mexico City, of every TikTok that came across my feed and was like, you got to go to this restaurant and this restaurant, and these are the best tacos in the city, actually you can just stop anywhere for tacos, and you got to go to the Frida Kahlo Museum, but also go to her studio, and you got to go to the Castellón, you got to go to this museum, and it's all true, you should do all of that. Nobody mentioned to me the Paro Esquelas. Which are schools for dogs. Although I did know that if I talked about this, I wanted to say it right, and I'm not saying it right. Me and my friends were calling it Paro Esquela. I don't know about this, it sounds amazing. If you put in Para, and you want to know how I know it's hard to be a woman, you put in Para Esquela in to translate from Spanish to English, it's called Bitch School, which is the alternate name of this podcast. But if it's Paro Esquela, it's just dogs. So like in the, I think it's Mexico Park, Park de Mexico, in, it's a small park, but that is what it's called. Which is New York Endesa, which is where like a lot of people stay when they visit. If you go on a weekday, a school day, there are these huge gatherings of dogs who just hang out together during the day while their parents are at work and they get trained and they get walked in big groups. So it's like much more than just dog walking. It's also dog hanging out. They're like cartoons because it's like one of each breed. It's like being in 101 Dalmatians in the first scene where all the dogs look like the owners. They're the cutest dogs and they just kind of watch what's going on and they're quiet and they're so well behaved until it's their time to have some training or some walking or some eating or whatever. And so like my friends and I on the first, we were there on like a Friday or the Thursday, the first day we were there. We're walking past all the cutest fucking dogs we've ever seen in our life. We're like, what's going on? We're just staring at these big groups of dogs in the park. And finally a man kind of like leans over to us because he can tell we're like, what is going on? And he says, it's a escuela. It's a escuela. It's school. It's school for dogs. They're at school. It's bitch school. And that's the best job in the world. They're studying. To be a paro teacher is the best job in the world. That is just amazing. A paro professora. That I'm so thrilled to know that this is a thing that exists. I'm thrilled to expose it. I know that there are, I know that this probably exists. I've never seen dog school like this in America. I mean, or in the United States. This is different. I'm not trying to say that it's the same. Absolutely is not. But on the upper east side, because there is such a dog walker culture, there is this dynamic of like, you're just constantly seeing people walking around with nine dogs on one of those multi-dog leashes. And you know that it's a route and you know that those dogs all have their little relationships with each other and the dynamics of all the different dogs are on the same route. There's a guy who I always see when I'm returning packages at the RealReal often. It's important work. By the, like, so these dogs must live near that breeze side RealReal. And it's just, it's six standard poodles and they all look the same. And they're just, he's just walking around with six poodles. And I love seeing him. I love seeing them. And that's probably, but they're not as academic as this. Well, I was going to say that might actually be as close as it gets. Because I imagine six poodles are pretty orderly because I do believe that poodles can secretly talk when you leave the room and are about as close to a human as a dog gets. But generally, the New York City dogs being walked in big groups are a bunch of hooligans. Like, they are not trained in the way that the Mexico City dogs are trained. Some of the dogs are off leash. And then sometimes there will be like a big St. Bernard and he's kind of got his leash around a tree because he's sort of a social risk. Yeah, totally. He's like, he just needs a little extra help. I think that's probably the best job in the world. When I was younger, I always wanted to be the person who named OPI. Nail Polish. Oh my gosh, incredible. And I still got that back in my back pocket if I ever pivot. Would they be as horny as they are if you did it? Yeah, no, mine would be horny. Horny, yeah. Another one that I just thought of is the person who does the like the rescue sea otters at the Monterey Bay Aquarium. The little sea otter pups. Yeah, you want like, I guess, sort of an, yeah, like an, you want there to be some research involved in your dream animal job. I just want to bottle feed a baby animal that I'm not allowed to touch currently and won't because it's not right. But I just want to live in circumstances where I can just, you know, every girl has an era with a Lisa Frank binder and they want to be a marine biologist. And it's still in their dormit somewhere. And I'm still sort of living that. And they're all podcasters now, but they all wanted to be a marine biologist. Sometimes, you know, the horse girl is latent, but it, you know, we see it, it winnies from time to time. Oh boy does it winnie. Please do let us know what you believe the best job in the world to be. I feel like we are often leaning animal and I'm interested in what other people think or, or, you know, essay editor at The Cut. Yeah. But I'm interested to know what other people think and Nora, I'm also interested to know what you've personally been obsessed with this week. I just wanted us to take a moment for Bieberchella. What kind of moment? I just like, like not a moment of silence. I, I'm really happy for him. I've spent a lot of time this week, like in that way, it is a personal obsession. I've just spent a lot of time this week listening to Justin Bieber, watching videos of the Coachella set, in particular watching the video of Billie Eilish being the one less lonely girl. So fun. And I love to see another woman take a tumble. And I don't mean that in a negative way. I mean, I take so many tumbles that I just like to know that like other people went excited. Her legs were jello. She couldn't do it. And then she got to be picked up by her hero. I just am so happy for her. I'm happy for him. I still like happy for Haley too. I'm really happy for Haley. I hold who by the way, I mean, those two could also I feel be at the quintuple date with Kendall, Erika Elordi, Kylie, Timmy, Kim, Louis, Chloe player to be named later. Attorney to be named at some point. Yeah, basic dude to be named later. And it just has really warmed my heart. I will never be declaring victory on Justin Bieber having an easy time with his relationship with the public. But to see him at a high point right now is like has healed something in me. Yeah, and I hope that like he feels successful and he takes that good feeling and benefits from it because he's had a rough go. And there was some, you know, tease in about the first set, the YouTube of it all. But it feels like something that we were pretty worried about at the time of announcement ultimately came together pretty well. Yeah, and even like the difference between week one and week two and like I liked week one. I thought the whole thing, like first of all, I think you can hold multiple things to be real at the same time. I think like there are some financial considerations going on with him and Coachella is something that artists can use to raise a profile in support of something that they can go do to make more money. A lot of those headlining sets, you know, I'm not like breaking up my tiny violin for Sabrina Carpenter right now, but like a lot of those headlining sets are not particularly lucrative because you can't repeat it. Like it happens twice and it costs a pretty large amount to put something on the scale of like how Sabrina did it. Justin's obviously was much more pared back and I think therefore less costly. And like, yeah, I think that probably did factor into it somewhat. Yeah. But I also think that it was about what circumstances he could be comfortable in on stage. I also think that it made sense for him. Like he's not really a bells and whistles performer like that. I also think that it reminds him of times in his career that were more oriented towards spectacle and that weren't happy and healthy times. But even between week one and week two, I think he looked so much more comfortable on stage. Also, if you add in his Grammys performance where he did Yukon in his underwear on the Grammy stage and it was a riveting thing to watch, but very much like he walked off at one point and came back on and it was like, was that supposed to happen? Or was this good? That to week one to week two, crazy. The growth is crazy. And I'm very happy for him and I think he still has the voice of an angel. I know. I'm happy for him too. I'm gonna see your happiness. We didn't talk about Coachella much on the pod, but I believe you and Nathan have been discussing extensively. I've been popping off about this a lot, but I just wanted to say here. But for people who want to hear more of a download on Coachella, tune into every single album both weeks. Nathan also dropped, in one of those episodes Nathan dropped, that he has been hearing a rumor, like a widespread rumor in music industry, I don't even really know, but just somewhere in his circles, that Taylor and Travis are getting married at Madison Square Garden. Oh. Do you think they'll keep the basketball floor down? This can't possibly be true. This can't possibly be true. A cylinder in Midtown in the middle of the summer with no natural light and a Harry Styles banner hanging in the rafters? Not the X. Wow. I didn't know about that rumor. Yeah. I just wanted to bring it up here. Yeah. No, I would like to be tracking that space. Please feel free to bring that over here. I, this week, I am like a college sophomore who just went on a study abroad in the way I cannot stop talking about this trip, but this is actually not- Quick, say Barcelona. Barcelona, when I'm going to Ibiza. No, this is sort of a pair with last week because I did feel that I was holding something back last week with my personal obsess when I said that I am obsessed with flowy spring dresses, which is true. I have discovered a whole new space for flow in my life, but I think something in me, in order to counterbalance such a new space, I have also become obsessed with bodices. And don't I know it? And don't you intimately know it up and down my back? There are a lot of snaps on that thing. So this is a bodice made of snaps. This was a work appropriate bodice that I could wear. Can I stand on the pod? I do want to show that it has this like ruching. Yeah, it's cool. It's really cool. That I had personally applied to it hours before I was leaving Mexico City. It was a long bodice that then they shortened into, I had seen it like this in a boutique. Oh, cool. So it's long. Yeah. It's a visual podcast. So it's long in the back, kind of like a tuxedo jacket, and it used to be long all around. It kind of has tails. They scrunched it up for me because I found this bodice, not this one, but another one that I loved in a boutique in Mexico City. They did not have it in my size, but I tried on the smaller size and I was like, oh, I would really love to be able to get this, but they make one of each size of this thing. It is a local Mexico City designer called Menena. And then I found out that they had a showroom and I got an appointment and I went in there and they had the one size medium in that showroom of that bodice, which is to say that I also got another bodice. So when I went back to visit the bodice that didn't fit me at the boutique, I then saw this bodice with the scrunches on it that did fit. But then when I went to the showroom where you get things for a lower price because they're not marked up for the boutique, they had this bodice but it had not yet been scrunched. And you were like, can you scrunch that bodice? She was just like, I can scrunch that right back up for you. Because that's kind of like, oh my gosh, you have to look up this line. Menena, it's made by two sisters, one of the sisters, Mara, who was in the showroom, showing me this amazing stuff, of which I could afford just a little bit, just a little bit on the way out of town, just a little bit of taste. And a lot of their signature aesthetic is this scrunching and these really interesting lines and these bodices. And I had gotten, so I am really racking them, I had gotten a bodice in New Orleans that is kind of a more traditional bodice. It has like, like jacquard on it. Like it's like brocade and it actually does have a brooch. And I did want to wear it today because knowing I would be talking about bodices and it was both a little too booby. I mean, when you first texted me, I need you to clip my bodice. Do you think I would be in a corset? No, because you said, like, I think I got the improv, but I did, my first thought was office bodice. Yeah, office bodice for Jodi. It's bold, but we don't have real jobs. This isn't real. We can wear a little bodice. Okay, the other thing though about these manana bodices is that you can wear them backwards. So you can do all kinds, you can not only wear them backwards as just like normal, so then it's high necked with the snaps. This amazing artist of a designer showed me all the different ways I can do the snaps. I tried to snap myself into the other one in the cool way she did it in the store, and I had not allowed enough time for such a snapping event. I needed you there to be shoving things around and snapping me into it. But I just want to encourage, if anyone. I love that we're having basically the same conversation that we had about my wedding dress with your bodice. Just me. I think that's right. I think that's right too.

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[119:52] I've married myself and I have married myself this spring to a bodices and flowy dresses aesthetic. I love it. And I'm just having a great time with it. I also, bonus side personal obsession, I'm really into contrast. So, I'm wearing this stitching right now, and the white stitch on the black. It's really working for me. That's a Y2K reference point that I think can be brought back in a way that's really nice. I know, I got a denim tunic that has a crusted, and that might be a step too far for me and blousiness, ultimately. I actually, that is something that I have experimented with that I have kept the tag on and have not yet been able to wear, is if I can do a full outfit, a full denim outfit. I've seen you in a Canadian tuxedo. You have? Was it an accident? No, I think it was at CORE Week. You looked great. Maybe I tried, I don't know. It's a spring of experimentation. I'm having a good time. And I just want to encourage, if anyone's looking to get into bodices, I actually have a couple of recommendations. These don't have boning in them. The one I got in New Orleans does. So I didn't think you meant a corset, but what I would say the distinction is, is a bodice is gonna, doesn't have, you can't make it even tighter, but it's already tight. And it generally has to go from down to up. Like my other bodice has a zipper and it starts at the top. It's already attached and then you zip it down because otherwise you would be kind of like, exploding everything to the top. It's just a little bit of a part of it, but that one is a more, a traditional like almost a corset. Wow, what a week. Now I feel like women in STEM. Now we are women in STEM, as noted. We're women in bodices. I mean, you are a woman in a bodice. Nora, thank you for joining me here today in New York City Studios. Thank you to Sasha and Belle. Thank you to the reader. Please tell us literally everything that we asked for you to tell us. I believe it was piercings, favorite jobs, something more deranged. Oh, and the secret thing about Nora, that's just for me and my DMs. At We're Obsessed Pod on Instagram and we will see you back here next week. Bye.