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Speaker 2:
[00:45] Off top.

Speaker 3:
[00:47] In the first round, the Jets had three picks, which is not the most of all time. In 2000, the Jets had four first round picks. They took Sean Ellis, John Abraham, Chad Pennington, and Anthony Beck. Play the music. This is The Domonique Foxworth Show. Welcome to The Domonique Foxworth Show. I'm Dominique Foxworth, and I'm joined by Charlie Kravitz, who looks jaundice. What's up with your lighting, man? I don't know, man. Like a jaundice baby over there.

Speaker 1:
[01:15] I'm just happy to be back.

Speaker 3:
[01:17] Oh yeah, I mean, we have a lot of ridiculous stories from this draft. The number one ridiculous story is Charlie came all the way here and couldn't leave his room because something happened to his little tum tum.

Speaker 1:
[01:30] I flew to Pittsburgh to just get food poisoning and just be sh** myself. You know how rough that is? You know how rough that is? We got a live show. I mean, my first NFL draft. I love the draft. Nope. Just hurling.

Speaker 3:
[01:49] But you made it, you came back, you got hydrated and we're back just in time to watch the first round at a nice little tiny private party that we had with some of our ESPN friends. That was pretty awesome. Lots of great stories from that. But I think we got to start with the actual events of Thursday evening before we get to all the fun, ridiculous things that happened to and around us, right?

Speaker 1:
[02:13] Of course. Yeah. Let's go and we can go through the picks. Best fits, most surprising ones, but let's go through in chronological order. I mean, I think there was nothing really shocking or draft order, I should say, about Mendoza going number one.

Speaker 3:
[02:26] I thought you were going to say there's nothing shocking from this draft. I feel like I can't decide what was the most shocking thing from the draft from three different things.

Speaker 1:
[02:36] Dominique, if you've been following my mocks, I got 32 for 32 in every single trade. But no, I don't think Mendoza was shocking, obviously. We knew that months ago. David Bailey, we more or less had this locked in over the last few days that he was going to the Jets. And then, honestly, I know people will say that the first shocking pick came at number four, but I felt watching it, and as did our friends, it was really at number three, where Arizona couldn't really trade out of the pick, took Jeremiyah Love, who is now going to have more guaranteed money than any running back in NFL history. A lot of people said he was the best prospect in this draft, but this is a team in a division that they seem very far away from winning. Their offense might be further along than we give them credit for, but not their traditional running back team, even though many people thought love was the best prospect and maybe the best playmaker in this draft.

Speaker 3:
[03:28] Can you imagine how shocking this would have been for Arizona? Can you imagine how shocked we would have been if we didn't have some forewarning? I feel like people were talking about this a couple days before, and I don't think we really bought it, but I think it set the stage. I think this would have definitely been the most surprising thing, but we were a little bit prepared for it, but still, I was kind of shocked, but I guess I'm trying to make sense out of it, and assuming that it doesn't matter which order you acquire the things that you need. I guess that would be the rationale, the argument, and I know you're going to make fun of me for trying to make sense out of a pick that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but if the argument is you can't get the most out of a top tier running back without having the other pieces in your offense, particularly O-line.

Speaker 1:
[04:18] Or quarterback, or quarterback, so you can play winning football.

Speaker 3:
[04:23] But I mean, I assume that that's part of their, yeah, it doesn't matter. I guess maybe it does when you're baking sometimes, but generally when you're making some delicious meal, it doesn't matter the order that you put in the ingredients, it still comes out as the masterpiece that you want it to be. I guess that's the best analogy I can come up for, come up with because I don't think anyone believes that this is going to change this team the way a quarterback could. They're not going to be a top tier team next year, but the expectation is over the time between now and when they acquire a quarterback, in the following draft that they will address the offensive line, and at some point, the stage will be set to get the most benefit out of Jeremiyah Love, right?

Speaker 1:
[05:12] I'm bummed. I'm bummed, man. Like, it's like, I just want to see one of these running backs. I mean, we saw, we've seen it with Gibbs, where he went to a situation to thrive. And I know he was picked 12. He wasn't picked in that three, like at Saquon, or I guess Saquon was two, but Saquon and Love in this top five. But like, this is such a fun electric player, and this dude's not going to be playing serious football. And you say like, it doesn't really matter the order. I fundamentally disagree. We're talking about a position where tread on the tires is everything. And if you're saying it's at least one year before we have a quarterback, it's probably at least a couple of years before that quarterback's ready to play winning football, unless you like hit the lottery, that's a shame. And I think it's like a misuse of draft capital. I think it stinks for the player. Like I would have loved to see Jeremiyah Love in pretty much any of the situations after that, even if it had been like a Tennessee where he got to play with Cam Ward and support one of those guys, even if it had been a Giants team where the offensive line needed like work to get put together. To me, this was like almost like, this is the least fun outcome for maybe the most fun player in the draft.

Speaker 3:
[06:23] Well, I mean, we can get off of it, but I think that it's inarguable. The points that you're going to make is he's the highest pay running back. They're not ready for now. One extra year of trade on or trade off the tires, I guess it would be technically would be a problem. But like that's not the concern for running back, is that he's going to wear it down after one year. The concern is you won't get the most out of him if you're not ready to use him in the first year. So there's plenty of reasons to be critical. I think the hard, I'm trying my best. Huh?

Speaker 1:
[06:50] Would you have taken him at three?

Speaker 3:
[06:51] Of course not.

Speaker 1:
[06:52] Would you have taken him at three?

Speaker 3:
[06:53] No, no, no. I don't think it was the right move. And I think I'm trying to formulate some interesting argument because I think most people are going to pan the pick today. So, and going forward, and I think it probably is not going to work out as well as they expected. I don't know the last time. It's probably had to be in the 90s, the last time you just dropped the running back on a team and it wasn't ready and he was immediately turned you into a contender. That's just not the way football is played these days. So, I recognize how, I recognize all the reasons why it wouldn't work. And I think on top of it, part of the problem for me is, are Valriese was sitting right there? It's not like, because that's the big argument for why you could take Jeremiyah Love high and why people are like, all right, well, maybe you can take them at four or maybe you can take them at five or six. It's because the presumption was our Valriese, David Bailey would be gone. Those type of players, Sonny Stiles might still be there or might be gone, or Sonny Stiles is in a similar place where he's at a position that's low value. The shocking thing is, or what makes it even harder to defend is, everybody but David Bailey was still there. Everybody but David Bailey was still there.

Speaker 1:
[08:01] It's so funny because we're like that, we've done the full horseshoe where we went from, we've evolved past running backs don't matter. Neither of us are saying like, oh, Jeremiyah Love is in the top 10 talent or top five talent. It's just purely like, I want to see him play winning football and 350 touches on a non-competitive team when you're like, oh boy, we might get third in our division if everything goes right. That's such a bummer because you might be a thousand touches before you're playing competitive football in the NFL, and that's when it does start mattering.

Speaker 3:
[08:37] You're hoping your fingers like he's bigger than he looks, I think, or he's bigger than he plays, I guess. So you're crossing your fingers and hoping that one of two things happen is that you get these things sorted out for him next year, and then everything's great from then going on for the next three or four years of his contract before his rookie deal is out, or you're hoping that he's one of these unique guys who seem to have been able to defy the running back age curve. A lot of that stuff depends on how good the offensive coach is to be able to get the most out of him without putting a bunch of wear and tear on his body. But I think generally it's a hard pick to defend, but it'll be a lot easier to defend if it all comes together next year. If they have a great old line next year and have a young quarterback that they like, that the situation for the quarterback to enter with Jeremiyah Love and potentially a burgeoning running attack, that looks better. That's the best argument I got for it.

Speaker 1:
[09:40] Great receiving Titan and Trey McBride. Still a ton of talent. Marvin Harrison Jr. were waiting for him to turn his career around a little bit. Not that he's been bad, but just disappointing for the hype was. Let's move on to another wide receiver, the fourth pick. The Tennessee Titans did something to support Cameron Ward. They drafted Carnell Tate out of Ohio State. This is when the draft went on crack. No one saw this coming. I didn't see this coming. We were watching. We were with Mina Kimes and she was like, guess the pick, guess the pick. No one has mocked this. No one knows this. She was so delighted by it.

Speaker 3:
[10:15] She asked Orlovski, Orlovski had named four players and none of them were the guy who got taken.

Speaker 1:
[10:21] I know. I was like, maybe it's Caleb Downs and then you had seen it. I eventually said Carnell Tate and you kicked me in the leg. You're like, don't ruin it Orlovski because he didn't want the picks tipped. But I was purely guessing. But that was shocking to me. He walked down his little white crop top, looked great and the evals on him are interesting because it's anywhere from a 1B receiver, Mina called him a safe 1B a la Devontae Smith, to some people saying a good number two, which is the way Weyfield Yates described him on NFL Live. And it's got to be someone who is at the fourth overall pick, the highest drafted projected number two receiver we've had in recent memory if that is what his ceiling is. And I think you can sell it as this guy is, they're doing anything they can to support their young quarterback and Cameron Warden anymore. But when you saw this pick, because we were stunned by it, your thoughts on this initially.

Speaker 3:
[11:18] So I've been kind of lower on Carnell Tate than it feels like the general consensus has been the entire time. And Sandy's Devontae Smith is to me really, really high praise. Devontae Smith was a Heisman Trophy winner who they believe is going to be a 1A, not a 1B. He was a 1B because of the situation he was in with AJ Brown. So if he turns out to be as good as Devontae Smith, then by all means that's a good pick. It feels like he's getting some Ohio State receiver love, which is well deserved. They've put out a lot of really good receivers in recent seasons, but it's hard for me to see why it makes sense for a team that has a defensive-minded head coach. His defenses have always had good defensive fronts. They're good players still available to attack that front, to improve that front. And Sunny Stiles, again, a linebacker, still available, who everyone has said his ceiling is closer. Fred Warner, which is a Robert Sala defensive staple.

Speaker 1:
[12:26] Gold jacket prospect from player. Everyone agrees, Sunny Stiles, he'll transform your defense in that Dan Quinn scheme. Everyone's talking about it. Anyway, go back to Carnell Tate.

Speaker 3:
[12:36] Sorry. It was a shock to me because no one was mocking. Mel's first mock had Caleb Downs at number one. We had some wild mocks out there, and none of the mocks had Carnell Tate going as high as four. It felt like leading up to the draft as we got closer and closer to the draft, it felt like even Jordan Tyson was going above. People had come around to the position that I think that we had is like, if you're trying to shoot the moon, Jordan Tyson is the guy. So this was shocking and it's hard, you're hard pressed to find someone who sees Carnell Tate and says, all right, this is the guy. If he's there, he's going to change things. It just, I mean, it speaks to their commitment to trying to impact Cam Ward directly. Like I think improving the defense impacts him also, but they're like, look, we're going to make the best situation we can for our quarterback, which you could have argued could have been offensive line there, but they went, Carnell Tate.

Speaker 1:
[13:37] Yeah, it's really interesting. And like, I think part of the reason people view him as the number two receiver is because he was a number two receiver for the last two years playing with Jeremiyah Smith. Granted, that was the best player in college football. And I don't know, maybe the best receiving prospect since, like, I don't know, Calvin Johnson, if we're actually being honest about it. But, you know.

Speaker 3:
[13:58] Which is fine, that doesn't mean it just like.

Speaker 1:
[14:00] No, no, it doesn't mean he's a number two receiver forever.

Speaker 3:
[14:02] But when you watch his highlights, you don't see, or not just highlights, you watch his tape, you see, what he, the way he described himself was, I think Laura asked him, what can we tell Cam Ward you're getting? And he was like a reliable receiver. I was like, he's talking like an old lineman, not a receiver.

Speaker 1:
[14:18] I was about to say, like, that's not, that's incongruent with the crop top.

Speaker 3:
[14:24] That's fair point.

Speaker 1:
[14:25] I'm a play maker. I'm wearing, I'm...

Speaker 3:
[14:28] I got an all white crop top with diamonds on. I'm going to be in the end zone. That's what Cam Ward can expect from me.

Speaker 1:
[14:35] I'm going to wear six at the next level. Jackson, Jackson Dart. No, he's on the Titans, sorry.

Speaker 3:
[14:42] Oh yeah, we can go on to Jackson Dart.

Speaker 1:
[14:44] No, no, we should, I do want to talk about the, we should talk about the Titans in totality, because we, I want to knock out some of the, and we've been such haters, and I promise we liked a lot of picks in the draft coming up now. But these were two shockers. One of the things you've been fascinated on is how teams with two first round picks end up executing them. And the Titans might have had the most controversial outcome possible for that, because they traded back in to the first round to take Keldrick Falk, who is the jumbo edge from Auburn, who I guess based on physical profile was different than the other edges in this draft, who all seemed undersized in a way or explosive, but not like the traditional, like Miles Garrett type top edge, Keldrick Falk is that jumbo sized, he can play in the 3-4, he can play inside, he can do whatever. That is a really interesting two picks in the first round for a team that is trying to turbocharge a rebuild with Robert Sala and Brian Dable. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[15:38] I mean, they're a 4-3 defense, which I think Keldrick Falk fits that better than a 3-4. You go 3-4 with Keldrick Falk, I think you have to bump him down because of his size.

Speaker 1:
[15:48] No, that's what I was saying. I was saying he could be versatile in a-

Speaker 3:
[15:51] Oh yeah. I wasn't disagreeing with you. I just was-

Speaker 1:
[15:53] No, I was probably unclear what I said.

Speaker 3:
[15:55] Right. I was just clarifying. I like him from his size to play like a defensive end 4-3 style. We talked about him before. It seems like he's a solid starter potentially, but at least for me, he didn't have the explosiveness that suggested me that he was going to turn into a real difference maker as far as pass rush is concerned. But he's going to be a solid player. It's not a bad pick, but it's surprising for a team with two first round picks to come out and one as high as four to come out with nothing that feels all that exciting. They both seem like really solid players that are going to give you exactly what you expect, but not a whole bunch more. And of course, obviously, we all could be wrong, but the Kendrick Falk one is less surprising. Those are the edges that were left at that time, but the Carnell Tate one, that one.

Speaker 1:
[16:55] Yeah, they traded up. They traded back into the first round for him. So that was the surprising part about it. All right, let's go to five, where we have another double pick. And I thought this was like, you're talking about the Harbaugh era. People were like, it's an adult in the room. You know what they did? The Giants, of course, they need a wide receiver because neighbors come out of the ACL. They need a lot of things, but except for edge play. But they still drafted Harbaugh Reese because he was the best talent on the board. He might play some off ball for them. They drafted him at five. They drafted Francis Mowinoa, who I think was a lot of people's consensus, best offensive lineman in the draft. They sprinted up to the podium to get that back in after Cleveland took Spencer Fano at nine, who we don't know if he's a center guard or tackle. And what the Giants did, it felt like they just ate the vegetables. They're like, what are the premium positions? Tackle, edge rusher, we can get the top tackle and the top edge rusher in this draft at five and 10. It was a bummer to have to give up Dexter Lawrence, who is an excellent player and now this is what we ended up with. So you look at that and you're like, does this feel like the most Harbaugh outcome possible to you, Domonique?

Speaker 3:
[18:01] Yeah. I mean, I think this, we had this debate in the room when it was happening was, we all agree that Arvo Ruiz was the best player available. But if there is one thing that the Giants don't need, it's an edge player. And it's funny, I just went to the espn.com starting line up to see what they decided for Arvo Ruiz. And they have him both at linebacker and at end. So he's starting at two places according to espn.com right now. So I guess they didn't want to make that decision. But I was a proponent for drafting him. I think some other people in the room were against it because to that point, they didn't need that particular player. But it goes back to something we were talking about, I guess it was last week, about how I don't find a problem with becoming more dominant at your particular strength. And I also think that it could give you some flexibility. Where you can't go wrong, I would think is drafting the best player available. I think where you do go wrong is when you start avoiding good players or avoiding better players because another player fits your roster. You convince yourself of those things. I think that's a bigger mistake, especially if it's not someone out there right now who feels like there's a game breaker. Like Arvel Reese's ceiling is great. Like his ceiling is, I think we would all agree that his ceiling is Hall of Famer. He may not reach it, but he's shown potential that gets people excited. And I think it's something you can't pass up on. If you decide to play him off ball to allow your edges to stay where they are, or you decide to move one of the other edges, or you decide to keep them all and run a special NASCAR package, which is how the Giants won the Super Bowl in the past. Like, I don't think any of that is bad. I think it would have been a mistake to overdraft a receiver at that point, or an offensive lineman or someone just because that's what you need. And ultimately, the offensive lineman, to your point, Francis Maui Noa, who people believe is the best lineman in the draft, was still there for them at 10. So I think that makes the Arval Reese selection feel even better because it feels like they didn't have to sacrifice anything to go ahead and get the best player available, who I think I would have drafted over David Bailey at number two. So I love this draft for the Giants. They might have had the best one, the best two picks of any team that had two picks in this draft.

Speaker 1:
[20:20] I mean, yeah, there's a lot of, there are some really fun ones of those because we can hop, we can hop around that. Actually, before we hop around to the rest of the two pick teams, the Chiefs traded up. They traded up for Mansoor DeLane from nine to six. They didn't give him a ton. They gave him a three and a five. He had an incredible, beautiful suit.

Speaker 3:
[20:37] He did win. He won as far as the best fit was concerned. Yeah, for sure. It felt like the suits were a lot more conservative than they've been in the past. And his wasn't like crazy, but the mauve suit with the diamonds, fresh line up, I think he was clearly the flyest guy there, which I'm proud of my cornerbacks for winning the draft in that way.

Speaker 1:
[20:59] And I'm an idiot because they are also a two-pick team. They took DeLane and Peter Woods, who you talk about crazy mocks. Nate Tice said that his first big board, period before this, had Peter Woods as the number one player going into the draft when he started mocking this like a year ago, or looking at this stuff a year ago. So they ended up with a super high upside pass rushing defensive tackle. We know they've been able to get quite a bit of pass rush out of their interior lineman. That's Vag's defense with Chris Jones and DeLane after losing Trent McDuffie and their entire defensive backfield really to the Rams this off season. So quick thing on this is are you in support of how the Chiefs operated in this first round?

Speaker 3:
[21:40] Yeah, we've talked about this for a while. People have talked about receivers for the Chiefs. And I just thought anything other than defense was a mistake. Like I can understand potentially going O-line to protect my homes when he gets back healthy, but I thought anything other than using these two first round picks on defense was a mistake. And they did not, they agreed with me and they got the two first round picks. I think DeLane is perfect for the Spags offense. His flexibility, his comfort in man and zone, his experience with NFL style defenses, his intelligence and his ability to press. He's a perfect corner, I think, for what they want to do there. I thought that was a home run pick and they traded up to get it done, which I have no problem with. And then to your point, Peter Woods had, if he would have come out last year, coming off of that season, he was a lot more, he had a much better season. I think a lot of the Clemson players had rough seasons this year. So if you believe that you can get him back to that level of prospect and you put him next to Chris Jones, who presumably can teach him a thing or two in that SPAGS defense, I think they hit a home run also. It's an incredibly good draft for them.

Speaker 1:
[22:52] Yeah, so the other multi-pick teams in the first round, the Jets who had David Bailey, Kenyon Tidic and Omar Cooper, kind of sick draft. The Cowboys who got Caleb Downs and Malachi Lawrence, and the Dolphins who got Caden Proctor, I start to call him Caden Proctor, Caden Proctor and Chris Johnson. Out of those three, which is the most interesting to you?

Speaker 3:
[23:16] I don't know. I'll spin it back to you.

Speaker 1:
[23:23] Which is for me?

Speaker 3:
[23:24] Yeah, what is it for you?

Speaker 1:
[23:27] I actually think I'm just going to take the Dolphins off the board. I know that both those guys, Chris Johnson and Proctor could be really good players. Getting Caleb Downs outside the top 10 for the Cowboys, you can just see him with the star on his helmet being really good there for a while. And Malachi Lawrence is one of a lot of people like Daniel Jeremiah, was really high on him, thought that he had some of the best traits of any of the past rushers in his draft. He had like a 998 relative athletic score, which was like off the charts, and he seemed more like the traditional sized edge. We heard so much about them needing a pass rush after the Parsons trade. And I think that the Cowboys defense might have just gotten considerably better, where it just like things sort of make sense. You've talked about this where like there's like multi layers of defense before, and it's like, okay, maybe Overshown is healthy this year, and he's got so much talent, he's playing off the ball. You've got Quinn and Williams and say Malachi Lawrence pops, and then you know that like that back line, Caleb Downs, who's been like known to be telling people where to be in coverage, the brain of defense, and like that just, it just seems like they sort of crushed it with where they were picking in those spots. I know Malachi Lawrence going at 23 after their trade back was surprising to some people, but that was picking up steam over the course of the week. And you know, I don't really have doubts about the Cowboys offense, assuming, you know, assuming they get, they retain George Pickens, which was thrown into, you know, Flux today as a recording. Some people thought he could be traded because of how he signed his franchise or his deal. But I don't know. I thought that one's really interesting. And then, you know, the Jets given everything. They got one of the, you know, two best pass rushers or three best pass rushers. They got Kenyon Sadiq and they got it like, Darren Moudji is controlling the draft board for the next couple of years with all the draft capital he has. And it's like, it seems like they finally have an adult at the helm. Those are my takes on this one.

Speaker 3:
[25:21] The Caleb Downs thing jumps off to me also because I think one of the, there are two things that you could point to the Cowboys defense and say that Caleb Downs, they had issues with the Caleb Downs would fix immediately is one is blown coverages. They had a lot of like mistakes. Presumably Caleb Downs, he gets a ton of credit for showing up and being a leader immediately and understanding and being the brains of the defense, as you said. So there's some expectation that he'll improve that. And also he doesn't miss tackles. And they had an issue with tackling, particularly running backs last year. So I think he works perfectly for them to improve that defense. I think the ceiling on Malachi Lawrence as a pass rusher is also perfect for them. The Jets like, could the Jets be good? Like offensively at least. Like there's a chance that when you look up, like if Sadiq the 4-3 tight end is the weapon that they think he can be, you add to the receiver they already have there and Omar Cooper, who I really liked, they were able to pick him up in the draft. Yeah. With Garrett Wilson and Omar Cooper being on the other side, their O line is above average. They have a good offensive line. Like there's...

Speaker 1:
[26:31] Gino.

Speaker 3:
[26:32] If Gino has had good seasons, I think a lot of people forgave him. Not that he was perfect last year, but a lot of people were able to like point the finger. But I think that people... He was bad last year. But you go back and watch what Chip Kelly was doing. Chip Kelly is a coordinator who got fired in his first season. That doesn't happen very... Well, Philadelphia. But other than that, it doesn't really happen very many other places. So I think there is a reason to believe that maybe they'll be a little bit better, at least on offense. I left out the Breeze Hall. They had a really good running back. That team mess around and be better than you think. They have to cobble together those picks to draft a quarterback next year.

Speaker 1:
[27:18] Or they'll just be bad again because they don't have a quarterback.

Speaker 3:
[27:22] It's possible.

Speaker 1:
[27:24] Which you'll hate, but they might not, if it leads them to arch-manning in a quarterback-friendly situation.

Speaker 3:
[27:31] Well, if they do it by mistake, I can't be mad at them. If they suck on purpose, then I'll hate it.

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Speaker 1:
[29:39] Yeah, so I do have to, I do wonder, so like rookie tight ends historically hadn't been difference makers, and people talk about that being like, because you basically have to learn two positions, you have to learn to block and get open to the NFL. But like in the last couple of years, we've seen Bowers, we've seen Loveland, we've seen Tyler Warren. So maybe like even though we haven't, like maybe there's a changing of how tight ends are being used and someone like Sadik can be like an immediate impact player with those freakish tools and the fact that like if he gets the ball in the open field.

Speaker 3:
[30:04] It's possible. I'd go watch the Tyler Warren tape last year is like the combination of Jonathan Taylor and Tyler Warren with an average, slightly above average quarterback and a good O line was successful and for the Colts. I think I would try to copy that because they have a similar set up with a better receiver. I don't know how good Omar Cooper is going to be, but I think Pierce doesn't compare to Garrett Wilson to me as far as an all around receivers concern. So they mess around and be pretty good. You don't believe it.

Speaker 1:
[30:41] All right. We'll see. Let's talk about before we move off the draft, we got to go through these three picks in chronological order which is 13, 14, 15 of the Rams, the Ravens, and the Bucks. At 13, Dan Orlovsky, our man.

Speaker 3:
[31:00] Big day for Dan.

Speaker 1:
[31:02] His night was made. The Los Angeles Rams drafted his man Ty Simpson. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[31:10] So, Dan was watching the draft with us.

Speaker 1:
[31:11] This is the team that is the presumed Super Bowl favorite with the MVP quarterback, drafted his heir apparent.

Speaker 3:
[31:18] And Dan had to leave because we all knew this was happening, so he could go be on the McAfee show and he was so happy and so proud. We were all a little annoyed that Dan, that apparently Sean McVeigh agrees with Dan Orlowski's take on quarterback, so we can't make fun of him anymore because I guess he was right. But this was stunning to me. So they pulled the Packers, right? That's the move is like you're on this doorstep of the Super Bowl and rather than adding to someone that could help your team, you're also planning the future. This pick is surprising because the team that said F those picks, well, I guess this is an example of them still saying F those picks. It's like I would assume that you're as close as they are and their roster was pretty complete and that was a cool spot to be in to have a complete roster and think that we could add something else. I think where you would want to add it, and the reason why I remember the Packers is not just because the Packers have drafted a first-round quarterback a couple of times when they were about to, or they were close to the Super Bowl and had an MVP caliber quarterback, but also because the one spot where you feel like you could have used was directly related to the quarterback and a receiver, and they definitely, I think, could have used a receiver given that Puka is currently rehabilitating, and Adams was hurt for much of last year and just got a little bit older and probably a little bit more likely to get injured. So that was stunning to me with all the receivers that were on the board, that they wouldn't have gone there or gone somewhere. Like there's no chance that Ty Simpson helps them win next year, and that's shocking to a team that's as close as they are. You could have argued they were the best team in football last year, and because of that weird two-point conversion play, they had to travel and play an extra round and didn't win, and they just decided not to improve.

Speaker 1:
[33:24] Yeah. I mean, it isn't, I mean, I guess it is insurance. In theory, Matthew Stafford was in an Airstream.

Speaker 3:
[33:32] I mean, I guess it's, it's, it's.

Speaker 1:
[33:33] You don't practice **** as Tom will.

Speaker 3:
[33:35] Right, but I mean, I guess maybe it'll help you win, if Matthew Stafford misses a couple of games, or a few games in the season, maybe it'll help you there. I think it's hard to imagine that if Matthew Stafford has a real serious injury where he misses some significant time and we're looking at Ty Simpson in the playoffs. Because that's the biggest knock on Ty Simpson was not only that he played poorly towards the end of the season, but he didn't have enough snaps. Like anyone who's drafted Ty Simpson.

Speaker 1:
[34:02] He played 15 games in college football.

Speaker 3:
[34:04] The expectation is that you're not playing him soon. But I guess honestly, if you think of one winner from the draft, it's Ty Simpson.

Speaker 1:
[34:13] Oh, yeah, loser Joe Burrow. Future Rams quarterback Joe Burrow. That's a real tough scene for him. No, I mean, I think the big loser from this too is you, Dominique, because you love teams going all in and going for it, not playing for the future. The Rams, one of the smart organizations just said, not so fast, my friend. So this is a real tough scene. Let's go to 14, which is the Ravens who, 14, 15, the Ravens took Vega, Ioane, Ioane, if I'm sorry, if I butchered the pronunciation. Then the Tampa Bay Buccaneers took Ruben Bain, who slid all the way to 15. We were watching the Ravens on the clock, and we're like, are they going to do it? Are they going to take Bain? Can you believe that they sent back Max Crosby? Then Jesse Minter ended up with Trey Hendrickson and Ruben Bain. But they ended up taking the guard from Penn State, Vega. It seemed like a real meat and potatoes pick. He'd look cool as s*** when he got drafted, but he was just zero smile. And so I want to know what you think about that pick and Bain. And Bain, who, when he got drafted, it looked like he couldn't believe he had fallen to 15. And in that moment, I was like, he's going to be a problem.

Speaker 3:
[35:25] Vega, Ioane is like, next to Fernando Mendoza, he was probably the most mocked pick to the team that he ended up on. There was no surprise there. The only thing that had us a little bit, like, I guess, a little bit uncertain, was Ruben Bain was still on the board. And I don't know that I've seen very many players that were more Ravens-coated than Ruben Bain, still sitting there. And a team that needs past-Russian edge help, you would have thought that, I guess, the point was they made the trades, they reneged on one trade and then stuck with one trade to answer that problem. But I think Ruben Bain might end up being the steal of the draft because the reason why he fell wasn't because of his production or how he played. The reason why he fell was because the length of his arms. So I find it hard to believe.

Speaker 1:
[36:26] That was so dirty that they put that on the Chiron when he got picked. They had him walking out of the green room.

Speaker 3:
[36:32] They could have put the number of sacks that he had.

Speaker 1:
[36:34] They could have put anything.

Speaker 3:
[36:35] They put his arm length under his arm.

Speaker 1:
[36:37] He had 30 and 7 to 8 inch arms. It was just on the lower third. I was like, that is foul.

Speaker 3:
[36:43] That's a dirty move. One of my friends texted me and said that he should have got his suit jacket tailored extra short. So it looked like his arms were really long. It'd trick everybody. Maybe he'd have got a few picks higher. It's a brilliant idea. Yeah, I mean, I think he ended up being a steal. It was perfect for the Bucks because they really needed an edge, and he slid to them. It worked out for them. I was a little surprised on his... I wasn't surprised that the Ravens took Vega, Ioane, but I was a little surprised with him sitting on the board being a University of Miami defensive stalwart that the Ravens, who plays nasty, that the Ravens were able to pass on him, but they got a guard who plays just as nasty. So I think they're going to be happy. That was a position on offense that I think they needed the most. They'll probably add a receiver later in the draft. But yeah, that was a shocking thing to me. But yeah, to the Bucks, I think Bain might end up being the stealer draft. To your point, he was one of the few guys who didn't seem happy. He didn't seem happy. He slid down the draft board further than anticipated, and he didn't seem excited about it.

Speaker 1:
[37:56] Yeah. It's so hard because I thought Vega, Ioane, was one of the best, maybe him with Ninoa, best lineman in the draft. Certainly positionally, he had the biggest gap between him and his peers at guard. So obviously, it's a very good pick, but then Bain being there, you were just like, oh my God, the Ravens have needed to figure out this pass rush for a while. It could be so interesting to see him in Hendrickson. I know Hendrickson doesn't play the run as well, but Bain does. Just seeing how he'd fit in Minter's defense, I was surprised that they didn't change course and pick him. Do you want to move off of draft coverage? Did anything else stick out to you?

Speaker 3:
[38:36] Yeah, there's nothing else major. I love the Vikings getting Caleb Banks. He's a high ceiling player who's coming off a foot injury that I think will be great. Judarian Price at the end, the Seahawks added him, which I thought was a huge deal to be able to try to keep the rushing attack of that offense good. Yeah, there was nothing else that I think was like super interesting to talk about.

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Speaker 2:
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Speaker 1:
[41:27] Yeah. Well, you want to talk about our trip at all? Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[41:30] Let's run down the weird s*** that happened. We already talked about you getting sick.

Speaker 1:
[41:35] Yeah, it's a tough scene.

Speaker 3:
[41:37] Then what else do you want to hit on? So our little party that Ryan put together for us, that was really cool.

Speaker 1:
[41:45] Oh, yeah. Dan Urlovsky speculated that you run a 5'3 40 at this point.

Speaker 3:
[41:51] The most insulting thing that's been said to me in years is we were talking about athleticism and how much we got left, and we all recognize that we don't got much left. Dan did not think I could get sub five, and I'm a little bit delusionally confident, but I don't think I'm being delusionally confident. I just started looking at the 40 times of people in this draft, and it's like there's nobody over 300 pounds that's going to beat me in the 40, and they got tackles running five flats. I can run a five flat, right?

Speaker 1:
[42:29] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[42:30] Dan was looking through his slow eyes. He probably can't run a five flat.

Speaker 1:
[42:35] No, didn't he run like a five, six when he was like, I don't even know what he ran. I assume he ran something very slow when he, let me Google this, Dan Orlovsky 40. He's very tall.

Speaker 3:
[42:43] Three steps.

Speaker 1:
[42:47] He, hold on, this is good podcasting. Oh no, he only ran a 502. Sorry, that was super disrespectful. You did not run a five, six, I just assumed.

Speaker 3:
[42:55] So he thought that he could beat me, no chance.

Speaker 1:
[42:58] Yeah. Oh, we had great before my food poisoning set in, we went to the gym yesterday. This is, Dominique spotted me getting sick before I did. I was just like flat, some things are wrong.

Speaker 3:
[43:06] You were lifting right. You were cutting reps, you didn't seem to be having fun. I was like, my guy's not right.

Speaker 1:
[43:15] We got to work out with Greeny and Booger McFarland, which was just awesome.

Speaker 3:
[43:21] We didn't work out, we worked out, they did a different workout. So Booger led Greeny through a workout and tried to kill him. And Charlie led us through a workout and tried to kill himself, it appears. And we had smoothies afterwards. And Greeny made lots of jokes.

Speaker 1:
[43:38] The smoothie thing was amazing too, because Greeny just started walking around the fitness center, asking anyone, he's like, is there a place to get protein shakes in this town? And they were like, yes. And quite frankly, we can show you. And I think we thought we were going to get directions. We got walked around and pointed out the window of where to go to get smoothies. We walked in and it was a show. We went through the entire menu. A lot of questions. This is the difference between Gen X and Millennials. It would make me cringe normally to ask any question of the person if it's a big, bored menu. It has all the ingredients. Smoothie tells you everything that's in it. We had a lot of questions. A lot of questions.

Speaker 3:
[44:18] Not for me. I picked something that was a pretty color. Let me get that. I'll drink it up. It'll be good.

Speaker 1:
[44:25] But it was hilarious.

Speaker 3:
[44:27] I wanted to work out again just in case anybody's wondering. Charlie still has not beaten me in a workout.

Speaker 1:
[44:33] Oh, no. Shocking.

Speaker 3:
[44:36] It's just important to me that it be known. You tried to beat me. It's okay. You quit on the abs.

Speaker 1:
[44:45] Do you think anyone thought that I was going to beat you in a single workout?

Speaker 3:
[44:50] I mean, the phrasing of beating somebody in a workout is stupid in and of itself, because it's not a competition for normal people.

Speaker 1:
[44:56] If you had anything, I know it wasn't. This was the funniest thing that Dominique did is we were doing a little dumbbell bench and we go through our three sets and I was just surviving. After I do my third set, Dominique goes, Hey, actually, I'm going to go up with the dumbbells a little bit higher. He waited till I had finished the third set to announce that. Thus, he could get the win uncontested. I noticed it at the time. He was like, this is uncontested outbenching.

Speaker 3:
[45:28] Hold on, hold on, hold on. You think I hadn't outbenched you already?

Speaker 1:
[45:32] Like, not at that point.

Speaker 3:
[45:34] No, we were doing the same weight. You were doing fewer reps and you were sloppily dropping the weights all over the place. Like you had already gotten outbenched. I just wanted to make sure that I was getting the maximum pump. So I was like, all right, we only got one set left. And I didn't say I was going up. I was like, this is the last set, right? And you say yes. So then I went and got a, I don't know, slightly heavier weights.

Speaker 1:
[45:58] I knew what you're doing.

Speaker 3:
[46:01] I had already thought I won. I was just trying to make sure I got a workout. I didn't think that this was in order to outbench you.

Speaker 2:
[46:07] Artie Beach, you were flat.

Speaker 3:
[46:08] Your tum tum hurt. You was only doing a couple of reps.

Speaker 1:
[46:11] I was actually within, at this point, it was the countdown clock in 24 hours, within the hour of vomiting and not leaving my room for 24 hours. So I was very flat. With that said, I think given the circumstances, I won the workout.

Speaker 3:
[46:28] Oh, yeah. All things considered, I thought you were going to bring up how I added a superset in on our first exercise. I just wanted to kick it off.

Speaker 1:
[46:39] Yeah, they came out of nowhere. We're just immediately out there, goblet squat, sets of eight pull ups and push ups, right in Greeny's face.

Speaker 3:
[46:48] You got to start it right.

Speaker 1:
[46:49] I think you were showing off for Greeny a tiny bit.

Speaker 3:
[46:52] Nah, I wasn't showing off for anybody. It was like I had to make sure that I was wearing a tight shirt the next day. So I was like, let me make sure I get this blood flowing. That was more what it was about than anything. Make sure I look good at the live show. The sad part is the funniest things that happened, we can't tell because Channing Crowder was at our little draft party. That man is hilarious.

Speaker 1:
[47:18] I want to be his best friend. If I'm going to war with anyone, it's Channing Crowder and Rex Ryan. Those are my people.

Speaker 3:
[47:27] Channing and Fred Taylor are the perfect pair. They're like brothers and they argue about everything. They're so different, but they made the draft watching experience hilarious and inappropriate. Well, Fred did make it inappropriate. Channing made it inappropriate. Fred made it hilarious along with Channing. It was great. All the while, Ryan's off on the side looking at them shaking his head like I do every day.

Speaker 1:
[47:53] It was amazing.

Speaker 3:
[47:54] Incredible dynamic.

Speaker 1:
[47:56] The most fun draft I've ever watched because of that, hands down.

Speaker 3:
[47:59] It's pretty fun. Next year, it's going to be in DC, so I think we got to figure it out. We got to host something, I guess. We got to do it.

Speaker 1:
[48:07] Yeah, we'll start planning it a week before the draft next year.

Speaker 3:
[48:11] All right. Last question for you before we go. I see you're in a room with two beds.

Speaker 1:
[48:17] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[48:18] You've been here for multiple nights. You switch beds or you pick a bed and stick to it?

Speaker 1:
[48:22] No. You're going to laugh about this because this is crazy.

Speaker 3:
[48:30] You sweated one out and went to the other one.

Speaker 1:
[48:32] Did that happen? No. If you could see, there's actually no blankets on the other bed. So I get into a hotel room, crank it down, lowest possible temperature. I want to be frigid when I sleep. If that gets in the 50s, I'm getting in the 50s. So I get in, crank the temperature down. Trying to get double bundled up under the cover is all comfy.

Speaker 3:
[48:57] Double bundled.

Speaker 1:
[49:00] I realize it's just a not sufficient amount of padding, not a sufficient amount of insulation. It was just a very thin sheet with, I don't know, at best, a thin wispy blanket on top of it. So I stripped the sheets off the other bed, put it on top of it and made it a mega comforter of the sheets from both beds. Then when housekeeping came the next day, they were like, this guy's cold and just made it all into one. So it's just been like, my mega bed with my mega blankets were permanently made in now. So yeah, I wasn't going to compromise on the temperature. Because could I have turned it up to 70 degrees and not needed to rip the blankets off the other bed? Of course. Was that an option? Absolutely not.

Speaker 3:
[49:48] On that note, thank you so much, Charlie. Thank you Late Night Production for the producers getting it done. You guys are the best. This was really fun, but I can't wait to get home. We out. This is The Domonique Foxworth Show.

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