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Speaker 1:
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Speaker 3:
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Speaker 2:
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Speaker 3:
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Speaker 2:
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Speaker 3:
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Speaker 2:
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Speaker 3:
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Speaker 1:
[02:45] Ooh, y'all still into this Summer House drama? Okay, well, you know David Yontef is here, Behind The Velvet Rope, he's the expert in all things. Bravo, and now I'm following along. You know, I told y'all I wasn't really that into this story because Amanda was already separated from Kyle. Anyhow, West just did a podcast for the very first time. Oh my God, he wants y'all to stop with this narrative that someone was cheating, blah, blah, blah, didn't happen. And then Ciara, is this Ciara's shot? Should she leave Summer House? Should she be done? We got a plan for our girl Ciara. On top of that, she's also explaining that picture where she was sitting on the ground outside of Hermès and her manager came up, Page Six snapped it. So was that staged? Anyhow, Ciara is speaking out and we give all our thoughts on the latest Summer House Tea. Let's go. Here's David Yontef. Wait, keep talking. I can't tell if you sound a little distant or not. Is your mic properly hooked up? Oh, I think it is. I think it is.

Speaker 5:
[03:46] Yeah, we got any mic for it. I think there's a saw.

Speaker 1:
[03:49] There we go.

Speaker 5:
[03:50] As loud as possible in my bedroom. I'm not in my bedroom.

Speaker 1:
[03:55] Are you a fan of sharks?

Speaker 5:
[03:57] Let me tell you something.

Speaker 1:
[03:59] You have a shark background.

Speaker 3:
[04:00] So everyone, no.

Speaker 5:
[04:01] First of all, a lot of people like the shark. I say it like this. We don't record in real time. So unlike Kyle, unlike Dorit, unlike Kim Kardashian, you can't rob me because you don't know where I really am. But when I'm in the Hamptons, I have the tree behind me. When I'm in LA, I have the great gray wallpaper. When I'm in New York, you have my gorgeous New York penthouse behind me. When I'm on the road or in New York doing actual construction to my new home, you see the shark. So I've been in some hotels, now I'm doing the construction. I love lions and I love sharks. There you go. I love sharks and I love lions. Sharks are so interesting to me. So interesting.

Speaker 1:
[04:50] Well, did you see the 60-minute story? I thought of you because I knew you love sharks. Did you see the 60-minute story in Australia where killer whales are killing sharks and eating their livers or something? They were like, these killer whales are so brilliant, and a couple of them have gone rogue and they've driven these sharks. I guess they had like this, I don't know if it was like a feeding area in Australia off one of the coasts or if it was kind of a sanctuary. Anyhow, these sharks were washing up on shore, and they had this slit in their bellies, and their liver or their kidneys were eaten, but that was it. They thought fishermen were doing it for some sort of delicacy. Anyhow, then they do these drone cameras and come to find out these killer whales are hunting sharks and killing them, and eating just certain body parts for caviar. These killer whales are very smart. I don't know. Are these animals going to take over? The sharks have had to find a new home, and very scary, very scary. These killer whales are like, they've gone rogue.

Speaker 5:
[06:01] Look, I love sharks, and good for the killer whales.

Speaker 1:
[06:09] Really? I'm like, this makes me feel like they should have been in captivity the whole time. Remember how everyone... What was that documentary that people did? Black Whale or something, and...

Speaker 5:
[06:19] I don't remember that one.

Speaker 1:
[06:21] Oh, it was this big thing about SeaWorld and how SeaWorld shouldn't keep them because they're such wonderful animals and all this stuff. Really? They've gone crazy in the wild, and yeah, maybe a couple of them need to be held captive. Sharks are a beautiful, famous Great White.

Speaker 5:
[06:43] Well, wow. That's...

Speaker 1:
[06:46] How's that for a start? Well, good to see you.

Speaker 5:
[06:48] Good to see you. Now, maybe you really bring so much to the table. You know what I found very interesting? That's why you have the shark, and if you ever can't hear me at any time, let me know, because there's... That's what's happening in my New York home, but guess what?

Speaker 1:
[07:05] All right, well, so far so good. Okay, go ahead, because I get like 10 million things to ask you about.

Speaker 5:
[07:10] Beautiful when I'm done with it. Here's one thing. Did you see this little bit of concern for my good friend? You know my good friend, very good friend of mine, a very wonderful woman, Vicki Gunvalson. What a wonderful woman she is. No, I'm being sarcastic. What's going on with Vicki? I'm being sarcastic. I saw your face. No, I got nothing good to say about that one. She is just a hot bag of air. But apparently, Ms. Gunvalson is having a very tough RHOC season. She is having a hard time keeping up with the youngins. And she is limping around. And this is not age shaming because, girl, I am ancient. But she is actually saying herself, when did Housewives become this? She can't keep up with the schedule. She has actually had to call in and miss an event or two. Full time, Vicki. Welcome back. You know, it's been a minute since she was full time or on the show. And she was a friend before that. So what is it? Five years she was off. It's taken its toll on her. Taken its toll. And very shocked at how different Housewives is. And she is having a very, very difficult, rough filming season. Can't keep up. It's taken its toll on her. And she can't really balance everything. I even had to call in for an event. Like, I can't go. She has other things going on. What do you think of Vicki's tough RHOC season? Poor thing, huh? I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[08:44] Do I have an opinion on this story? Okay.

Speaker 5:
[08:47] Doesn't sound like it.

Speaker 1:
[08:48] I don't really. I mean, you wanted it back. Again, look, I might eat my words. You know what this story makes me think is maybe I'll eat crow. And I just was like, why do we need Vicki back? I'm one of those people like, really? I thought the show again, I liked Gretchen. I let, I mean, bring her back and drag her again about the gays or something. But I'd rather see Gretchen enslaved. So I don't know. I was like, why do we need Vicki back? But maybe I'll be eating crow and it will be awesome to have her back with Shannon and Tamra, the Trace Amigas fighting again. I just, what is she going to bring? Now she's fatigued. Okay.

Speaker 5:
[09:27] You wanted it, girl. You wanted it. I wouldn't be missing anything.

Speaker 1:
[09:32] Yeah. I want to be, I want to be surprised and happy. I hope that it's good.

Speaker 5:
[09:39] I hope it's good. I wouldn't be skipping too many things, Victoria, because they'll fire you again, babes. They will actually fire you and just ask you to not come back. So be careful, Vicki. You know, be careful, girl. I'm on your side, baby. I'm on your side. So there's that. What about this? Are you, you don't hear that?

Speaker 1:
[10:03] That I did.

Speaker 5:
[10:04] Yes, we heard that. Okay. She heard that one. Are you, are we doing a fake drop ceiling? I mean, my hanging pendants next to the bed and you can't go into the ceiling. By the way, we're doing the same thing in this apartment than in the one I just sold. It's gonna look exactly the same. The designers are like, this is the worst project we've ever heard of. We actually don't even want to do it again. They want to do something different, challenge. I'm like, I want nothing different. The only thing I did different is I colored the windows. Anyone buying a home that doesn't like the, this is why Sarah thinks I have first of all problems, that doesn't like the color of your windows. It's called electrostatic painting. You can hire someone to actually change the color of your windows. Now, my apartment here. Never knew that. Right? Thank you. Never knew it. Well, that's what I'm here for.

Speaker 1:
[10:52] Learn a lot here on the show.

Speaker 5:
[10:53] We're learning a lot here. My apartment is 50 Shades of Beige. We know this. We have grayish, dark beige, light beige. Everything is, we have beiges that kind of lean towards a mauve. There's no color. We have a pop of color in the flowers and they give you a black windows. Now, what am I supposed to do with that? In the other apartment downstairs, I lived with a black window because I didn't think of this. Now, the windows are like a brown, soft brown. So you can actually change the color of your windows. Now, in this building, I'll be the last. Who knew? I'm the first person and I will be the last person to ever have this approved. Can't just do what you want in New York City. After these windows were, the color was changed, electrostatic painting. Oh my God. The neighbors on floor, like five floors down, I get a text from the concierge, David, what the fuck is going on? The smell from the electrostatic, all the neighbors were complaining. So the concierge is like, we will never approve this again for anyone. And I'm like, well, I got my window, so I'm sorry to hear that bad smell. I could even smell it many floors below. Hello.

Speaker 1:
[12:01] Honey, you're probably poisoning everybody. What are you doing?

Speaker 5:
[12:04] Sorry, I needed the windows.

Speaker 1:
[12:05] That sounds very toxic.

Speaker 5:
[12:07] I'll take a pic. They are gorge-o-a.

Speaker 1:
[12:11] Send us a pic. Send us a pic.

Speaker 5:
[12:12] I'll send you a pic.

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Speaker 5:
[14:14] Can I just tell you there's something else that's keeping me up at night?

Speaker 1:
[14:16] Please tell me because I actually have a million questions about West and Amanda.

Speaker 5:
[14:19] Okay, let me go fast.

Speaker 1:
[14:20] Let me go fast.

Speaker 5:
[14:21] Okay, let me go really fast. I got one quick thing. I'm shocked at how Beverly Hills has ended and we had this reunion, the reunions here, we had it, it went. I mean, are you shocked that we're like nowhere? To me, it's a shocking end to RHOBH. Dorit, she's not speaking to Kyle, doesn't want to reconcile. Not speaking to Erica, doesn't want to reconcile. Rolled her eyes at Amanda. You're okay with Boz and Rachel. You've known Boz for like a day. I mean, are you shocked at the shocking end of RHOBH? And do you really think it's going on a pause? I didn't say it was going on a pause. I'm asking you.

Speaker 1:
[15:03] Things that keep us up at night.

Speaker 5:
[15:04] Yes, it's a shocking end to the reunion to me.

Speaker 1:
[15:08] Okay, well, in past two years, things that I thought were going to happen, it's the opposite. So when I say, oh, yeah, you know, I don't know, like, I think something's going to be on pause or, you know, then they do the opposite, right? So I didn't know why you think there's no pause. No, I don't. You know what I mean?

Speaker 5:
[15:31] You and I said, oh, I don't think there's going to be a long pause. I don't. By the way, you know, it also shocks me about the end of the RHOBH reunion.

Speaker 1:
[15:41] I don't know that we need a huge conclusion anymore. And do you think this season was as disastrous as? Okay, go on.

Speaker 5:
[15:50] Well, that is what is shocking to me about the reunion as well. The two things that shocked me about the end of the RHOBH season. One is that Dorit doesn't see that she is Dorindo or Lisa Rinna, and the whole show is conflict resolution. And you refusing to reconcile with Erika and Kyle, doesn't matter. It's not Team Kyle or Kyle owns the show. It's just, you got to resolve. So that shocks me. No, what also shocked me is that I think the last episode and the whole reunion by the time the reunion was over, kind of redeemed the season for me. I thought the reunion was phenomenal.

Speaker 1:
[16:28] That's the thing. Like the reunion, I just-

Speaker 5:
[16:30] Phenomenal.

Speaker 1:
[16:32] I think we think it's bad. I think the audience thinks it's bad. But I just think that the network now, I don't know. I mean, do they?

Speaker 5:
[16:40] They might have saved the show, huh?

Speaker 1:
[16:43] You know, look, RHO and Jay had to go on pause. We were thinking about canceling it because-

Speaker 5:
[16:48] And that didn't help matters, did it?

Speaker 1:
[16:50] We had two people who, you know, I mean, we had more than that. But we had people who were refusing to film together and it had gotten so toxic and so crazy. And I think they were worried that Looney Loe could snap. Like there was a lot of things, right? So we had to pull that. But I just don't think anything is that bad, do you? I mean, and now I'm almost like, you know, because we sort of thought, like, could Dorit's job be in danger? Could Erika's? Now I'm not so sure.

Speaker 5:
[17:20] I'm not so sure.

Speaker 1:
[17:21] I think Kyle comes back for another season. I think, I mean, if anything, and I mean, I hate to utter these words. I mean, do we think our girl Satine, I mean, if anyone, could Satine be demoted to friend of? I don't know.

Speaker 5:
[17:37] She does her job and she has so much money. Aren't we supposed to have money in Beverly Hills?

Speaker 1:
[17:43] Well, EJ doesn't, Dorit doesn't, Amanda Francis does that we know of, Kyle does, Cath does, Tilly does. Yeah, I mean, Satine, yeah.

Speaker 5:
[17:52] Bose has done well for herself.

Speaker 1:
[17:54] But Bose doesn't have like a $300,000 a month.

Speaker 5:
[17:58] No, I think I like to describe it as like to me, Bose, Rachel and Amanda are like middle. They're like in the middle. They have a bunch of money.

Speaker 1:
[18:06] Yeah, they're millionaires, yeah.

Speaker 5:
[18:07] But they're not Kyle, Tilly, Satine or Hilton. No.

Speaker 9:
[18:11] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[18:12] Those four are in a different category, I'm sorry. But then the three in the middle and then we have broke Dorit and broke Erica.

Speaker 9:
[18:18] I love that though.

Speaker 5:
[18:19] Which is okay. Yeah, listen, if you got on the show when you had money and now you're broke, it's okay. Now Dorit, we know really never had any. It's all smoke and mirrors, but it's okay. You faked it and Erica, you had it, but you really had nothing because you gave all the power to a man. I mean, again, I don't know why people have a problem with Amanda. She's teaching women, don't outsource your financial well-being to a man. It's kind of smart to me.

Speaker 1:
[18:49] I mean, almost now, I'm like, I think we save Dorit's job because I think everybody is so concerned about the finances and that PK knows what he's doing and he's really just wearing out the clock and he's going to delay, delay and bleed her dry. And do people want to see that? Do they want to? That's sort of like the American TV way. Like we want to tear somebody way down and then we want to see them at the very bottom and try to make their way back up to the top and be humbled, right? So I mean, I sort of think that in a way Dorit's job is saved too.

Speaker 5:
[19:25] And here's the other, yes, I think so. The only thing is like, I've noticed in the comments on the YouTube, people are starting to talk about Dorit the way like the way they hate Teresa, the way they hated like this. Like a lot of people really, she really alienated a lot of people towards the end, which I do think is partly editing. They rude, late, you're this, you're that. They actually think she's just has no regard for anyone except herself. So she has, it seems, alienated a bunch of the audience. So that is the only, but I think everyone deserves to come back. I don't know. I don't know, Sarah. I'm a little torn on this one.

Speaker 1:
[20:07] I just don't think we're going to do these dramatic shifts if we don't have to, because we are now at the TV stage with a lot of these shows. It's like, if status quo can keep, I mean, I see this with TLC and Sister Wives. I'm sorry, people hate Cody and Robin. They're not going away. There is no show without these individuals. And by the way, people are like, cancel this show. There's nothing there. They're right. But we, like, this show still does well enough. We're going to keep going. Like, we're going to keep... I just, I think that's where we are with television.

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Speaker 5:
[21:58] Before we get to my end thoughts on Bethany, tell me what you have for your quick hits or whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 1:
[22:04] I know you've covered this, I think, with our girl Melissa Rivers this week. But Ciara spoke out for the very first time and so did West by the way. West in this whole West and Amanda thing did a podcast. What did you and Melissa say about West basically saying, Look, let me just say this again for the 100th time. There was no cheating. Everybody was separated. There's no overlap. People want to make this huge thing. Amanda's phone number has been doxxed. Do you believe, West?

Speaker 5:
[22:38] Look, Melissa and I couldn't even get there. The two things that stand out to me are just like, or the three things are like, Ciara, you're winning at life. You're going to be fine. You are the next Paige Disorabo. Two, I can't even listen because it's West. I don't like to talk about people's physical looks, but he seems like a mess and I don't get it. Sorry, I agree with Ciara. She will accept this if this is end game. If your husband was in love with someone else, you have to let him go. You can't stop two people from being in love. You can try, you can plot, but nothing will stop love, Sarah. Love conquers all, darling. You know, they say on that broke back mountain that those two were not supposed to stick their dicks into each other, but they did. Now you can't stop the violence, Sarah, even though you don't want to maybe do that. When Todd Chrisley was in jail and he didn't want to like bend down and get the soap and take a look around and diddle and daddle, you just can't stop it. So I agree with Ciara. If this is endgame, I'm not outraged by anything. Go Amanda, go West, enjoy yourselves. Like Bethany Frankel says, you know, such brilliant life advice from Bethany. You know, to consenting adults, just go and do it. I don't see it. I am standing by. I think West got exactly what he wanted. He wanted to be famous, bigger than the show. Everyone knows your name now and no one knew your name before. People listening to the show knew it. I knew it. The world didn't know it and now they did and I don't see it. I don't believe that Amanda is the one. It wasn't Ciara. It wasn't the girl from Chicago. It wasn't all the other Amanda is the one. Now that's possible, right? We all have a type and the emotions inside. Well, I'm dead inside so I have no emotions. I go to bed with cold hard cash. I sleep with the money. I kiss it. I love it. I rub it all over my naked body. But basically, so maybe Amanda is just pushes his buttons. I don't see it. Girl, I think even if West feels like maybe he's in love with you for a minute, I don't see it. I think he is gonna, it's not gonna work and he's just gonna drop you. And I just think Amanda is gonna get used ultimately. And then it wasn't worth it. And I think West is, and that's not chauvinistic like, you know, Amanda is a little girl and stupid. I just think it's actually the opposite. I think West is a total fucking player who acts dumb. You know, I already did this. I already went on a rant about this. We all know that goofy guy who gets all the chicks because he's so goofy. Dude has game, okay? And I don't know what world we live in that he's the prize. Go on. You got me on a rant.

Speaker 1:
[25:35] Well, what about Ciara? You know, she's speaking out about the famous photo where she's sitting down on the ground in New York City. I think now I guess it's her manager that was there kind of like trying to talk her through everything. This is when the news came out and she was on the phone with Paige Deserbo. She's speaking out for the very first time. I don't know if you have a comment on that. She says for the first time, she's addressing that infamous picture that was on Page Six. Honestly, I was on the phone with Paige for a while and I was like, I don't even know what the F to do. She continued, adding she told Page she was out in public at the time. Ciara claims she was going to quote, go home but then the photo was snapped faster than I could even make it home. But I was like, how chic of it to be Hermès in between Hermès and Bruno. Oh my God.

Speaker 5:
[26:22] Cuccinelli.

Speaker 1:
[26:24] Cuccinelli.

Speaker 5:
[26:25] There's a great store my friend works there in the East Hampton. By the way, Sag Harbor. Oh my God, we're getting a Ralph Lauren this summer. Like, a made well. Sag Harbor is changing baby. RIP Estia's, we will miss you. Dopeo is going away. What was I going to say?

Speaker 1:
[26:41] You just said it's such a chic moment outside of Hermès.

Speaker 5:
[26:47] I don't know. As Melissa and I said, Melissa said she's received some horrible, she said on the podcast, she said, I've received horrible news in life, including that of my mother. I've received horrible news. Neither Melissa nor I in the comfort of my own homes have ever fallen to the floor, let alone on the streets of New York City. So I don't-

Speaker 1:
[27:07] You didn't like that, huh?

Speaker 5:
[27:09] Yeah. It seems a little stage, performative, dramatic to me. I don't get falling on the floor. I don't get it.

Speaker 1:
[27:22] She apparently loved that chic moment. She was also asked if the cast is taking side. She says, quote, I think some people are clearly yes. But at the same time, I feel like we have also so many new dynamics in the group, and I'm not expecting anyone to take sides. I'm not expecting anyone to take sides. And honestly, I'm not asking that of anyone. But I think they really know me and they know how I move. And so I think that that is maybe more of the barometer of maybe why.

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Speaker 5:
[29:02] Meaning likes, and by the way, the reunion could be aired by the time everyone's hearing this, but we haven't even, the reunion's coming. But I mean, I think she's just saying like, I'm a real person, I'm not fake for the cameras and girl. I think really what we're trying to say is, Ciara's summer house exit. She's gonna leave. I don't think she's coming. I mean, I don't know. I think she's bigger than the show. I think this manager is taking pictures of her and helping her out. And my advice would be like, I get, like it's very rare that I advise someone to leave the show. But I advise Ciara to leave the show. Look at Paige. I mean, you can't even say look at Lisa Rinna because she was Lisa Rinna before. She had a career. But look at Paige.

Speaker 1:
[29:52] Oh my God. Now I feel like Luanne was the one that was like winning it all. And now, I mean, Rinna.

Speaker 5:
[30:00] She did well.

Speaker 1:
[30:01] Rinna is on every like high fashion magazine and every runway and traders and commercial.

Speaker 5:
[30:09] I still think Rinna is, she's loving it. Y'all counted her out. You all counted her out. You know what I mean? I don't know. I think that Ciara should leave, exit Summer House.

Speaker 1:
[30:27] One last thing, because like you said, the reunion could already be out by the time this airs. However, do we think we're going to get a lot of answers? She feels like West and Amanda lied to her, have lied to other cast members. You think we're going to hold their feet to the fire? You think we're going to get some real answers?

Speaker 5:
[30:43] I think so, but they're going to really stand by the timeline. You know, there was a rumor also on some website that they started in last June before the summer. Kyle said, if that is the case, then that is the most diabolical thing. Like that everything we watched on Summer House this past season, just they were actually sleeping together already. Ciara is going to exit Summer House. I feel it. I feel it. I feel it. I mean, I feel like the glow up, she's already on red carpets and maybe not, maybe not, is it's a hard chip to turn down. But I think if you really want to distance yourself, that's how you do it. I mean, you know, like here behind the velvet rope and all these podcasters are feuding and having feuds and Kelly is saying this about and I'm just like, I'm not getting involved in any of this. Sometimes Sarah, Kelly, your brand is above it. Well, I had a lawyer on who's going to take care of her. I mean, he wanted to come on the show. And I think that was very interesting legal wise. So we did a couple shows on it. But I don't get involved in the angst and the drama. Wouldn't it just be great for West and Ciara? I mean, for West and Amanda to go back and Kyle and Jesse Solomon, the human puppet that you'll wind up in, Carl and just all the newbies and Ciara to be like, yeah, well, I'm making an appearance in The Devil Wears Prada 3 next season or whatever it is. I just think the momentum is there. There's something, I mean, do we look and say, poor Paige, poor Paige, look at, no, she looks at these fools and she's laughing. Like, yeah, I do Giggly Squad, I do brand deals, I'm in a movie, like, love her or hate her, it was a good move. Craig, Craig is on Southern Charm fighting over something with Austin and I've like, what Bravo, like I've moved on. I think Ciara has that branding that if she really exited, it could work. She's on the carpet, she could get a real job on the carpet, like long term, do other things. I think it could be like, I mean, she's intelligent. You know, you can't have Jennifer Aiden, there's no job after Housewives on TV. She's a buffoon, she's a walking buffoon. But when you're Ciara and you're smart and you're intelligent and you're well spoken, I mean, yes, as Andy says, Andy's deemed her the most gorgeous person on Bravo. She's certainly up there. There is a world in which Ciara can have a real working career in entertainment.

Speaker 1:
[33:13] Take your shot. Now's the time to do it.

Speaker 5:
[33:16] The View? Do we need somebody new on The View? I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[33:19] Oh, that's suicide.

Speaker 5:
[33:22] The View is the most disgusting show that exists. Those fuck, shut the fuck up, Whoopi Goldberg. Shut the fuck up. Joy Behar, not one human being in the entire universe. By the way, Joy neighbor, she's my neighbor. She lives closer to me in Sag Harbor than Jill does, and she lives closer to me than Loann. Oh, wow. Joy Behar is right down the fucking street. She almost lived in my condo development. She looked, she went to a different one. But let me tell you something, nobody wants to hear what every fucking Behar has to say. Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 11:
[33:58] Wow. All right.

Speaker 1:
[33:59] Well, if you were the executive producer, we would be doing a new casting. I mean, just a few. I mean, that's such a career. So nobody watches that. I can't even imagine who watches. Do people watch it? Post your ratings.

Speaker 5:
[34:14] What could post your fucking ratings, Sarah says? What could we do then for Ciara? Where else could she get a job?

Speaker 1:
[34:22] I don't think there are jobs like that anymore. I think it's this reinvention like Rinna. I think you're high fashion. You're in Paris Fashion Week. You're on magazine covers. I think you are. I mean, how is Rinna making money now? Okay. She was on the Lifetime Show. Did she do something with Ryan Murphy? Yes. I think you're just making these.

Speaker 5:
[34:41] But she walks in the shows. And by the way, Ciara could do the same thing. Ciara could walk any fucking runway.

Speaker 1:
[34:49] I think my first call would be to Rinna. Hey, girl, you know, can I take you to lunch? I'm launching a career off of Bravo. You know, can we have an off-the-record Beverly Hills Hotel or the Chateau? Can we have a lunch?

Speaker 5:
[35:06] And Rinna will do it, babes. Rinna will do it.

Speaker 1:
[35:10] How do I navigate out of this? We're in this unique Bravo exit. I mean, Rinna, yeah, nobody's better now.

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Speaker 14:
[36:17] The Saja Boys Breakfast Meal and the Huntrix Meal from the K-Pop Demon Hunters TV have arrived at McDonald's. They're calling it the Battle for the Fans.

Speaker 15:
[36:25] What do you think, Rumi? It's not a battle. We're glad that our young people, the Saja Boys, were able to have breakfast with us and the rest of the day's food. It's an honor to be able to share with you.

Speaker 14:
[36:36] Oh no, the honor is ours.

Speaker 9:
[36:37] The greatest honor is ours.

Speaker 14:
[36:39] Oh, a lot of respect in this battle. Choose a meal to choose your group in McDonald's.

Speaker 1:
[36:45] In McDonald's, participants will even waste their lives. Again, Luanne, amazing.

Speaker 5:
[36:52] Ariana got her, you know, hoax. Ciara can hoax something.

Speaker 1:
[36:55] Ariana, unbelievable. Unbelievable, yeah.

Speaker 5:
[36:59] Give her something.

Speaker 1:
[37:01] Darling, I have to love you and leave you, but I want people to purchase tickets because come and ask about all the podcast drama. Who do we like in the podcast world? Who do we not like? Feuds, there might be a feud resolved at this live show on May 28th at seven o'clock New York City time. Be sure to chill. After you buy your ticket, it was just $30. We've never raised the price because we want it to be a fun, entertaining night that's affordable. We want you to ask us anything. We may have Rachel Uchitel. We may try to foster, bridge this friendship again between you and darling.

Speaker 5:
[37:37] She's a good girl. I agree.

Speaker 1:
[37:40] I like her husband. I want him to come too. He's like an expert in security. So I want to know, Tiger Woods is in rehab. What was he using back in the day? I'm not sure she was a part of this, ask her anything, but I'm putting her out there.

Speaker 5:
[37:58] Rachel's okay.

Speaker 1:
[37:59] What pills has Tiger Woods been abusing for 20 years? Allegedly, allegedly. I want her to come. Look, you can ask us anything. We cannot plead the fifth. The tickets are available on Eventbrite. Go to our Instagrams, our TikToks. Link is in bio, Behind The Velvet Rope, The Sarah Fraser Show. Boop! Get your ticket. Don't miss a thing. Ask us anything. It's going to be a great night.

Speaker 5:
[38:23] I'm okay to make up. You know, listen, if Rachel comes, I got a question for her.

Speaker 1:
[38:27] Oh, we got one for you, Uchitel.

Speaker 5:
[38:29] Yeah, well, you know, look, she did try very, very hard to make up with me. Like, really, she did. I mean, it's not like an ego thing. She I have to give her credit. Like she would send texts and say, like, can't we work this out? Like, why are you like she tried and I that's no ego. That's actually the opposite. You know, my question is, why did you go and open your trap with a scumbag from New Jersey? That's the problem I have. You went and said all this shit about me in a public with like the lowest form like she's better than that. You're hanging out with a scumbag from New Jersey. Like a low, a low rent, low life.

Speaker 1:
[39:09] The thing I like about you could tell is she is messy. Like when I go on, she always has to get me to talk shit about you. Like, I appreciate that because I'm shady like that, too.

Speaker 5:
[39:18] Like, yes, you are. You really are. She is, guys, she is. I have like an innocent talk with Sarah. Like, she's like, oh, and then the next thing there's some headline. David's Feud. I'm like, what the fuck is this? Sarah Fraser Show. David Yontef's Feud. I'm like, what the?

Speaker 1:
[39:33] A couple of years ago, one of my most downloaded was, does David Yontef pay me? That was like really good. So I like you could tell that way. Like, she is really nice. And then like she'll go on her show and she's like super shady. And I do that exact same thing. I play both sides. So I like her. So anyway, I like that. I'm a little bit like that too. The animal, not the animal across the river, that's right. But that other one, I unfollowed. That I unfollowed. No thanks.

Speaker 5:
[40:02] I mean, it's just like, I don't like to insult people. Like I guess low life implies I'm up here. And like this one's down here, like Kelly, Ben, Simone. But there's just certain people in life, like they're just toxic low lives. I don't know what other word to use. Toxic, miserable, like miserable people that try to make you miserable. Like the dregs of society. There's a couple of people I can think of that, you know, one used to be on New Jersey, one used to be on Beverly Hills. There's a lot of them out there. But Rachel is, she's a, look, she is a little shady. I mean, don't forget, she is, you know, the original poster girl. She was on, you know, like she's been in the, she's, she's, she's been at this, she's been in social media, viral moments before social media was even a thing. So, but yes, she is ultimately a good girl underneath all of that. I just, I don't know why you went and, you know, dissociated with the scumbag from New Jersey. That's maybe the point that sometimes you just do stuff. Sometimes you just do stuff.

Speaker 13:
[41:04] I get it.

Speaker 3:
[41:04] I get it.

Speaker 5:
[41:06] Look, Sarah, I'm all about forgive, forget and live life.

Speaker 13:
[41:11] I love it.

Speaker 5:
[41:12] Life is too short. Just everybody love each other and get along. Unless you're a scumbag from New Jersey, then stay out of the way.

Speaker 1:
[41:21] There you go. See you soon, doll.

Speaker 5:
[41:23] Bye.