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Speaker 1:
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Speaker 2:
[01:01] Do that with Acrobat.

Speaker 1:
[01:02] I was watching a Scale of the Universe video recently.

Speaker 2:
[01:05] Marques.

Speaker 1:
[01:07] That's all I'll say.

Speaker 3:
[01:08] I wonder what Marques is doing right now. I could take a guess.

Speaker 1:
[01:13] I close my weather app and open UT.

Speaker 2:
[01:15] Watch Scale of the Universe video. Left ear Scale of the Universe video, right ear weather podcast.

Speaker 1:
[01:23] Yo, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques.

Speaker 3:
[01:29] I'm Andrew.

Speaker 1:
[01:30] And, oh, nevermind.

Speaker 3:
[01:32] I'm not.

Speaker 1:
[01:32] No, you're definitely not Andrew.

Speaker 3:
[01:34] Yeah, he had another child.

Speaker 1:
[01:35] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[01:37] Sorry, did I bury the lead there?

Speaker 1:
[01:39] Yeah, just definitely jumped straight to the top story. So yeah, if you're watching on video, you probably already noticed Andrew's not here with us this week. And that's because he is having another baby. And actually we were in the middle of recording a bonus podcast episode when he got the call that he had to go leave and have that baby.

Speaker 3:
[01:57] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[01:57] So get subscribed to see that. I don't know how we're going to cut that into the video, but it's going to be in there.

Speaker 3:
[02:04] I'm currently editing. I don't even cut it, man.

Speaker 1:
[02:06] But just like zooming on Andrew's face like, yeah, no, I got to go have a baby now. And he just leaves. It's great. So shout out to him. The baby's healthy. Everything's going super well. But we also have a ton to talk about this week because for whatever reason, all of the companies decided to do all the things. And it's not even Wednesday yet.

Speaker 3:
[02:22] It's Tuesday. It's crazy.

Speaker 1:
[02:23] We're recording on Tuesday.

Speaker 3:
[02:24] I appreciate it, guys.

Speaker 1:
[02:25] So we got to talk about Google potentially bringing RGB light bar back to Pixel devices, which would be sick.

Speaker 3:
[02:30] Yep.

Speaker 1:
[02:31] Motorola suing some influencers in India.

Speaker 3:
[02:33] Uh-oh.

Speaker 1:
[02:33] It's a story.

Speaker 3:
[02:34] That's bad.

Speaker 1:
[02:35] And then Apple News CEO, a couple of other things like that. So yeah.

Speaker 3:
[02:38] Small stories.

Speaker 1:
[02:38] I think make sure you get subscribed. Make sure you're rating us highly or however you think of us on your podcast player of choice. Because that does a lot for us and helps us get the news out and talk about stuff to a bigger audience.

Speaker 3:
[02:52] We can be big in your country on your podcast player of choice.

Speaker 1:
[02:55] Exactly.

Speaker 3:
[02:56] Yeah. Well, we do this. Did they even test this thing every single week?

Speaker 1:
[03:00] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[03:00] I had two last week, so I saved one for this week. I think that this is probably present in many different apps. You probably experienced this. But I was noticing I was making a partyful event because no one in history has yet used the Apple Invites app. So I was using a party. I was doing a partyful event. And at the very last stage of making your partyful event, when you're just about to send it out, it has a little default text message that it sends to everybody that, hey, David's invited you to this thing. But it's like, do you want to modify it and make it custom? And I was like, obviously, yes. I don't want to be like everybody else. So you write your stuff in it. But when you write your stuff, your keyboard comes up, there's no way to get rid of the keyboard. There's no back button and there's no... Like the next button, the publish button, is underneath your keyboard.

Speaker 1:
[03:49] There's an iOS bug, huh? Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[03:52] I've tried it on multiple iPhones. It persists. And I've had this happen in multiple different apps, but I just think it's funny that there's not even a back button and you can't swipe back to get to the last page. You have to fully close the app, reopen it and then modify it again. And eventually I just gave up and I was like, I guess the default text is just going out.

Speaker 1:
[04:09] Is that why everyone says the default?

Speaker 3:
[04:11] I guess so.

Speaker 1:
[04:12] It's weird. I feel like I want to half blame this on Partyful, but also half on iOS because on Android, there's just a button to close your keyboard on the keyboard.

Speaker 3:
[04:20] Which is smart.

Speaker 1:
[04:21] But also most iOS apps don't have this problem. So it's half an iOS problem, but also half the developer not just making it above the keyboard.

Speaker 3:
[04:27] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[04:28] So both of you, yeah, fix that.

Speaker 3:
[04:31] Make the next button in the top right so that you don't have to worry about this. And also make a back button in the top left.

Speaker 4:
[04:37] You know who has a lot of free time in his hands now to fix little things like this?

Speaker 1:
[04:41] Adam Molina?

Speaker 4:
[04:42] No. Tim Cook.

Speaker 1:
[04:44] Tim Cook doesn't use this stuff. Yeah. We'll talk about more. Actually, you know, let's just talk about it now. Apple CEO, Tim Cook. Tim Cook. He has announced that he is stepping down in September and he will be moving to the board, chairman of the board. He will be succeeded as CEO by John Ternes. This is, we all kind of have been reading that this is going to happen at some point. Everyone keeps asking, Tim Cook, what's your legacy going to be when you leave? And he's like, I ain't going anywhere. And then boom, it's now announced and official.

Speaker 3:
[05:16] Even a month ago, he said, I have no plans on retiring anytime soon.

Speaker 1:
[05:20] They do the Apple thing where they're like, I cannot speak about future products or events. Boom. And then it just happens. And we're like, yeah, you knew the whole time. Yeah. So many thoughts. I do plan on putting together a video, but this is a good sounding word. I want to, I want to fire some thoughts at you guys and see what you think. So first of all, Tim Cook's career at Apple pretty goaded as a company. Like just as far as like people invest in Apple, they went from a sub half billion or sub half trillion dollar company to a one trillion to a two trillion to a three to a four trillion dollar company. That's crazy. This guy is good at steering that ship, supply chain wizard, shipping tons of products, creating tons of revenue, lots of services. So if you want to analyze Apple, the post Steve Jobs era as a company, they were a very successful company under Tim Cook. Very hard to succeed Steve Jobs, but he did that. But people are excited for John Ternes as CEO of Apple because John Ternes was the Senior VP of Hardware Engineering. And I've talked to him about hardware many times. He is a product guy, like he's into making good hardware, which is really exciting. You might have also watched the Tim Cook interview where I asked him about products and it became very clear that he is not thinking about that stuff as often.

Speaker 3:
[06:36] The magic mouse.

Speaker 1:
[06:38] Yeah. You can see the gears turning in his head.

Speaker 3:
[06:40] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[06:41] Trying to remember first of all, what is a magic mouse?

Speaker 3:
[06:43] Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1:
[06:44] And then second of all, what do I say about a mouse? Yeah. And the word he came up with was ergonomics. Nothing against Tim Cook.

Speaker 3:
[06:51] The last possible thing.

Speaker 1:
[06:52] Yeah, like that's not it. Like it was kind of a meme. But so nothing against Tim Cook. Like he has his leadership style. It was very successful. But you could also kind of see the influence of, you know, Johnny Ive leaving and like the sort of new design language of Apple products. I think the MacBook Pro is a really good example of the design language at Apple changing. Going from being super thin and sleek, too thin for its own good and thermal throttling and keyboard issues because of the butterflies, all this stuff and now being like thicker, having real ports, being super powerful, Apple Silicon coming up and being super important. So a lot of good stuff happened under Tim Cook, but now I think it's even more exciting for product focus.

Speaker 3:
[07:38] For sure. Yeah, we haven't really had a product CEO at Apple since Steve Jobs, which I mean, it was only Tim Cook in between. So there's that. But, you know, Steve Jobs made a lot of interesting, weird stuff, and I think it would be cool to have more interesting, weird stuff. We had Vision Pro, they possibly committed a little too hard to Vision Pro because Apple doesn't like to ship anything that it doesn't think is going to be a hit.

Speaker 1:
[08:00] I've been thinking about this a lot, and the companies that we cover, we talk about Google a lot, we talk about Samsung a lot here in the US. There's a lot of companies who ship a lot of products and famously kill them. Like the Google graveyard is immense. And these companies kill products for various reasons. Maybe they're just not scaling well, maybe they're a total failure and no one used them, maybe they're a negative impact on the company, whatever. But they kill products all the time. When Apple kills a product once in a while, it's like this huge deal. Even when they only kill like a wireless charging pad they're gonna make, it becomes kind of lore.

Speaker 3:
[08:34] Which they don't acknowledge until like years later.

Speaker 1:
[08:37] Yeah, they're like ashamed of any little failure that they've had where they announced something and then it didn't work. Apple intelligence is the latest massive embarrassing failure. So Apple doesn't really make that many stuff things. I was thinking about this analogy. I'm gonna throw it off to you guys and see how it hits your ear. Samsung and Google are like YouTubers that upload every day. They're like daily vloggers. They'll throw out a new thing, if it works, great. They'll throw out another thing the next day and another thing the next day and another thing. And you can never really get too hung up on if one of the things fails. And if something scales and does super well, great. We might do a follow up of that. We might do it again the next year. But they're kind of just uploading all the time. Apple is like the YouTuber that uploads every six months.

Speaker 4:
[09:19] Michael Reeves.

Speaker 1:
[09:19] Or every four months, right?

Speaker 4:
[09:21] Just like every couple months and just straight bangers.

Speaker 1:
[09:23] And it's fine. It's usually bangers. They clearly spend a lot and really commit a lot of the company and a lot of the future to it. And they have future plans. And they're like, this is a huge commitment, blah, blah, blah. And they use that language too. They're like, this is revolutionary for us. This is a massive deal. And so when one of them doesn't quite hit, you can't hide because the next thing is months away. And you did just talk pretty grandly about it. And so it's kind of like a little bit embarrassing because you, so that's why I think they don't try as many different things that I want them to. I wish Apple made camera, a printer, a whole bunch of other random stuff that they don't make, like a home pod with a screen. Like there's tons of stuff that I would like them to try, but they're not the daily uploader. They're like behind the scenes, scheming for months on the big upload. Is that a valid number?

Speaker 3:
[10:09] Sure, yeah, it's like the weight of your expectations. I kind of, I think Christopher Nolan could maybe be a good analogy for Apple, because it takes a really long time for them to come out with a new thing. When they do, they try really hard to have some revolutionary, innovative thing. They're almost always bangers, but there's always a movie like Tenet that you're like, what is this for? Who is this for?

Speaker 2:
[10:28] Shut the f*** up.

Speaker 1:
[10:32] I haven't seen it.

Speaker 2:
[10:33] Tap f***ing rules if you know it.

Speaker 3:
[10:34] I haven't actually seen it. But that's the vision.

Speaker 1:
[10:39] But it's not Interstellar, it's just not.

Speaker 3:
[10:40] No, I mean, Interstellar is like the iPhone.

Speaker 1:
[10:42] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[10:43] Tenet is the Vision Pro. Most people don't understand it.

Speaker 1:
[10:47] Yeah, that's good. And some people, yeah, some people will never try it and have just heard bad things about it and they're like, why would I spend the money?

Speaker 3:
[10:52] Like me. Yeah. So yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's interesting because I don't necessarily foresee Apple shifting to trying a lot of new stuff again. It's like, again, it's the weight of your expectations. And because Apple has only shipped bangers generally, you know, there have been some weird things here and there. People scrutinize the hell out of them when they don't ship good stuff. And there are like a million iPhones now. Like, I was kind of thinking about this. They didn't necessarily expand into a ton of new product categories, but the products that they do have, they have sort of decided to fill that every price point thing.

Speaker 1:
[11:29] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[11:30] Like Samsung does.

Speaker 1:
[11:31] It's so safe.

Speaker 3:
[11:31] Yeah, it's very safe.

Speaker 1:
[11:33] Yeah. Instead of making a folding phone and a flat folding phone, and then a skinny phone, and then a flipping phone like Samsung, they're just like, here's the iPhone, and here's the other iPhone, and the other iPhone, and the other iPhone. And that's Tim Cook's version of a variety of products.

Speaker 3:
[11:47] And one could argue that there are almost too many skews of all of these devices at this point.

Speaker 1:
[11:51] I think that's a fair argument.

Speaker 3:
[11:52] I kind of think we have too many. I don't think that the iPhone, what is the cheap one now, what is it called?

Speaker 1:
[11:58] Well, there's the 17E, and then there's the base iPhone, and then there's the Air now, and then there's the Pro, and then there's the Pro Max, and then there's the iPad, and then there's the iPad Air, and then there's the iPad Pro, and then there's the MacBooks that kind of like start. The price ladder is real, and they do make a lot of money selling a lot of stuff, but it doesn't feel like a real variety.

Speaker 3:
[12:18] Yeah, there was a really good Snazzy Q video a few weeks ago about how the Neo kind of destroyed the MacBook Air.

Speaker 1:
[12:25] I like that, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[12:26] Because the Air, when it originally launched, was that manila folder, it was breaking barriers thing. And now it's thin-ish, but it's not insanely thin, and it's good, and it's got a bigger screen, but it's more expensive in a weird way. And at this point, I think they need to lean into Ternus' hardware engineering background to actually, if they're not going to expand new product categories again, I would like to see them reinvent their current product categories they have. Make the air insane again, you know what I mean? And it's surprising that when the M-chip revolution happened, they didn't actually take that opportunity to make the Johnny Ive era of everything being omega thin, just like, oh, a normal computer, but it's omega thin. I'm glad that they went the Thick Boy MacBook Pro route because we're power users, we like to have that extra headroom, but they have an opportunity now to make the MacBook Air super, super, super thin and still faster than the Neo.

Speaker 1:
[13:27] Yeah, there are so many, and this is as a product reviewer, you see a lot of this, there are so many products from Apple that shipped in the last couple, like 10 years, that are simply the same product with a new chip or shuffling parts around the same couple of things. So you'd review, and you see a lot of this language from Apple because they kind of also in the press land like pretend other companies don't exist a lot of times. So they'll say, this is our new product, it has this from our other product and this other thing from our other product, and now it's the new thing, even though it's using old things. You're like, okay. iPhone 17e, they'll just go, it's the screen from this old iPhone and the chip from this other iPhone and the camera from this other iPhone, and now it's a new phone.

Speaker 3:
[14:11] Parts bed phone.

Speaker 1:
[14:12] And that's Tim Cook genius at work, because we are supply chain maxing right now. That is what they do. So yeah, now they're a $4 trillion company, a little bit uninspiring, I think. They do have big swings every once in a while, but I'm excited for a little bit more variety, potentially.

Speaker 3:
[14:31] Yeah. Yeah. Some people were also saying, like, now that Tim Cook is just sort of the chairman of the board, he can go do all the political things, right? Because it was always kind of weird to have him being the CEO and also having to deal with the administration, all the stuff like that. Now the CEO of Apple can just focus on running Apple, and Tim Cook, because he's still sort of affiliated with the company, can go deal with all the politics.

Speaker 1:
[14:54] Yeah, that's what I'm curious about, what the job actually is, because I didn't really get to ask Tim that, but I kind of just want to ask, like, what is running Apple like? Like, is John Ternes' job going to become way less input on new hardware and ideas and way more running Apple? Because that is part of the job, you got to do a lot of that sort of stuff. So I'm curious about that.

Speaker 3:
[15:16] Yeah, Johnny Saruji is taking over as head of hardware. He was the guy that... He's always in the labs in the video talking about the M chip.

Speaker 1:
[15:23] Surrounded by Mac Pros and Pro Display XDRs.

Speaker 3:
[15:26] Yeah, which the Mac Pros are. What are they going to do now with the Mac Pros gone?

Speaker 1:
[15:29] It's just going to be Mac Studios.

Speaker 3:
[15:31] Yeah, they look so much more impressive.

Speaker 1:
[15:32] I know, they really do. They're great background video props.

Speaker 3:
[15:35] Yes, they are, because they look really cool. But he's taking over as head of hardware, which is really interesting, because he's great at making chips, obviously. That's his thing. But the question is, do his hardware chops match up? That's going to be really interesting to see.

Speaker 1:
[15:52] Are there products that you wished Apple would make that maybe they have a better chance of making now that it's someone who's in charge of hardware?

Speaker 3:
[15:59] I mean, I would love a camera.

Speaker 1:
[16:01] Same.

Speaker 3:
[16:02] They're not going to do it, probably, because I think that the camera market, I think Canon makes most of its money on their super, super cheap cameras. Right, like the pro-Sumer market for cameras is not that big.

Speaker 1:
[16:14] Interesting.

Speaker 3:
[16:15] And Apple, I believe, still uses Sony for its sensors.

Speaker 1:
[16:19] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[16:20] Apple has the, you know, they seem like the company that could start making their own sensors.

Speaker 1:
[16:25] That would be sick. That would be sick.

Speaker 3:
[16:27] I mean, putting their DRAM directly on the chip and making it go straight to the camera and be more heavily-

Speaker 1:
[16:31] Putting computational photography on a large sensor cell size, that could be interesting.

Speaker 2:
[16:36] And A18 might have enough juice to be, like, a pretty sick image processing engine.

Speaker 3:
[16:41] Oh, it already is.

Speaker 1:
[16:42] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[16:43] It already is.

Speaker 1:
[16:43] But, you know, add the way more pixels and way more lines.

Speaker 2:
[16:47] But could it do, do you think it's powerful enough to function on a lot, like, an APS-C sized sensor?

Speaker 3:
[16:51] Probably, yes.

Speaker 1:
[16:52] If you dedicated the entire chip to image processing, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[16:55] That's what I'm saying. They definitely got enough A18s lying around.

Speaker 3:
[16:58] Even just to make the iPhone camera better, you know what I mean? I mean, they probably have, like, a relatively deep level of integration based on, you know, how early they get the chips from Sony and what they talk to them about and what they want them to build it on. But I would like to see deeper integration of that. And then maybe, yes, maybe they could make another camera. Because remember, they did make a camera that was made by Fujifilm.

Speaker 4:
[17:19] Quick take.

Speaker 3:
[17:20] Yeah, it was a Fujifilm camera that was Apple branded.

Speaker 4:
[17:23] I was going to say, they're never going to make a camera because they would just tell you that they make a camera already.

Speaker 3:
[17:27] Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1:
[17:29] Well, okay, yeah, I was...

Speaker 3:
[17:30] It's not a big enough market either.

Speaker 1:
[17:31] I was watching the AirPods Max 2 came out, and there's reviews out there now, and it's basically like, yeah, they're the same. And I'm like, this is such a Tim Cook thing. They're just reusing, they have all these, okay, H2 chips, ship them. It's the same product over and over. And I'm like, why... What would convince Apple to actually spend interesting money developing new... What would convince Apple to make good AirPods Max?

Speaker 4:
[17:55] Competition.

Speaker 1:
[17:58] Competition feels like it's out there now. Like, it's not necessarily all in the same buckets. Like, they are the only ones doing this metal build weird case thing. But their battery life is not competitive. But their sound quality is decently competitive. But the integration with the iPhone has always been the thing that's not... You can't really compete with it. It's weird.

Speaker 3:
[18:21] Their walled garden allows them to not really have competition. Even if there are other headphones that sound just as good, have just as good connectivity, battery life lasts just as long, the integration is always going to be them only. And so you can't really compete with that at the end of the day.

Speaker 1:
[18:37] I just feel like if I worked at Apple hardware and I was like, you know, chomping at the bit or whatever it's called to make real improvements to AirPods Max, and then the order comes down from Tim Cook and he's like, same design, same case, same everything. Just throw the H2 chip in there and call it a day. We're going to ship millions of these. You're like, dang, I really want to do something interesting. I feel like maybe that's the door that can be opened by this.

Speaker 3:
[19:02] Could be, maybe. It's safe to keep shipping the same thing over and over again. I mean, there's some crazy statistic about AirPods Pro and how they would be one of the top 15 companies in the world or something if they were just a company. So yeah, I don't know. I personally think that we're over indexing a little bit on his decision making when it comes to hardware design and stuff like that. I think Apple is probably a complex enough organization that these decisions mostly get made by the middle managers and he just approves things. He just signs things.

Speaker 1:
[19:34] You know what I mean? Yeah. Some of my earliest CEO interviews, when I actually got answers from them, I would ask them what that's like being a CEO. And it's like, honestly, most of the decisions don't get to you. And if they do, they are the hardest decisions that had to be passed up the chain where it's like, decisions about the future of the company are really difficult technical and moral decisions about what products they should do. Where if it's just, hey, there's a simple update for AirPods Max out there. We can just take that market share and keep going. Should we do it? That doesn't even really make it to him. And that's how you end up with him going, we make a magic mouse?

Speaker 5:
[20:09] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[20:11] What is that?

Speaker 1:
[20:11] What is that?

Speaker 4:
[20:12] Am I the only one thinking not a lot is gonna change?

Speaker 3:
[20:15] No, that's what I mean, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[20:17] There's very much, as a $4 trillion company, you are 1,000% a huge boat with many small oars. And no one person is going to steer the whole boat in a totally new direction. It's very fair to assume that this is going to be a smooth handover with minimal risk to investors and minimal changes in almost everything.

Speaker 3:
[20:36] We're not talking about Allbirds over here, okay?

Speaker 1:
[20:38] Yeah, that's the opposite. That's the opposite. So I think, you know, I don't even know what the stock price is doing, but I'm sure investors are like, oh, how is this gonna go?

Speaker 3:
[20:47] I'm sure Tim Cook is also gonna give a ton of guidance about supply chain stuff. Like he's still gonna be involved.

Speaker 1:
[20:52] He's still gonna do Tim Cook things.

Speaker 4:
[20:53] Speaking of Tim Cook things, I pulled some quotes from their PR release that I just found interesting. Mainly, Apple Services has been a major force.

Speaker 3:
[21:03] We didn't even talk about services.

Speaker 4:
[21:04] Yeah, Apple Services has been a major focus area of Cooks. And during his tenure, the category has grown to become a more than $100 billion business, the equivalent of a Fortune 40 company. Just the services. That's insane.

Speaker 1:
[21:18] That's Tim Cook.

Speaker 4:
[21:19] That's 30% of every tap you do on the iPhone.

Speaker 1:
[21:22] Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3:
[21:24] I mean, it makes sense. Yeah, we didn't even talk about the services. He really did grow all of those monthly ecosystem services.

Speaker 1:
[21:31] It's crazy.

Speaker 3:
[21:32] I wonder. I think Fitness Plus might get reduced soon, to be honest, because they put a lot of money into that. And that seems to be one of their weakest services. Yeah. Apple TV+ also spends way too much money. But I think that they like kind of being the new HBO. So that's probably fine.

Speaker 1:
[21:49] You know what I also think about a lot randomly? There's a lot of companies they could acquire, to just like a Peloton or a random fitness-related company that could really boost their quality of product, but they never seem to do it. And that's another thing. I don't know if that's going to change at all.

Speaker 3:
[22:06] I feel like they don't want to do that because they don't want to dilute their own brand. It's kind of risky to do that when Apple already has such a really, really good identity. And if Peloton gets in trouble for doing something Peloton-y, because they always have, then Apple gets the flag for it. And doing that to Beats was like the last time they did something like that, which was a long time ago.

Speaker 1:
[22:26] Yeah, that was a long time ago. I guess I just mean like if they have a really weak product offering, like people are talking about this with AI, but just if they have a weak product and there's a company that's way smaller, but that's doing a lot of really good stuff that they're not doing, they can copy some of it. They can make their own version of it that ties into the iPhone or whatever. But I always think of them as the iPhone company. And if they ever wanted to quickly expand and make a whole bunch of way better things, maybe that's a route. But yeah, they never seem to do it. They never beat us last time.

Speaker 3:
[22:56] Because when you think about it, it's like what could they really expand? You asked me the question, what product would they make if I could wave a magic wand? What would you want them to make? Because I don't really know of a lot of products.

Speaker 2:
[23:06] Alarm clock.

Speaker 3:
[23:07] Like just a dedicated alarm clock?

Speaker 2:
[23:08] Yeah, I want...

Speaker 3:
[23:09] They'd say your phone's an alarm clock.

Speaker 2:
[23:10] I know, but I think the idea that instead of expanding into more services, they expand into more hardware peripherals.

Speaker 3:
[23:17] You think they'd do that?

Speaker 1:
[23:18] No, but that's kind of what I want.

Speaker 3:
[23:20] That's what I want, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[23:21] And it's what I think someone like Ternus would be positioned to do, but I don't think... I think you're right, that like anything they do dilutes the power of the iPhone.

Speaker 3:
[23:30] Of the iPhone. Yeah, totally. It's the everything device.

Speaker 2:
[23:34] Also, it's funny to think of them as the iPhone company because I think there's an argument to be made that Apple is actually an earbud company that just happens to make watches as well.

Speaker 1:
[23:45] Well, both of those companies are just accessories to the iPhone.

Speaker 2:
[23:48] I know, but you could make the argument that while the iPhone is a game-changing thing, it still is not global market share, whereas the best-selling audio product and the best-selling watch of all time are both Apple products.

Speaker 1:
[24:01] True, but both of those markets combined are a fraction of the size of the smartphone market.

Speaker 3:
[24:06] The Apple Watch only works on the iPhone, so you'd need to also sell an iPhone to sell an Apple Watch.

Speaker 1:
[24:14] It's like they obviously had a ton of success with the iPhone, and they will never ship something that steps on the feet of the iPhone. But every time they do ship something new, their first move is to make it the one that works best with the iPhone. If you have an iPhone, you are more likely to get this one than any competition. That's true about their headphones. That's true about the way that Macs and the iPads talk to the iPhone and iCloud and all this stuff. Everything is a part of this ecosystem, and that's their strategy number one.

Speaker 3:
[24:41] I want to see a return of the HomePod and more form factors for the HomePod. I want to see them properly compete with Sonos. We can wire that all over your house. I feel like that's the next step for them.

Speaker 1:
[24:53] Yeah, a TV. Everyone thought they were going to make a TV for a while. They never did that.

Speaker 3:
[24:56] And then they just made the Apple TV, which is a TV, you know?

Speaker 1:
[24:58] Yeah, but what if, I mean, they did-

Speaker 2:
[25:00] They make the Apple TV, the Apple TV.

Speaker 3:
[25:02] And Apple TV.

Speaker 1:
[25:03] And Apple TV+.

Speaker 3:
[25:05] No, not Plus anymore. They killed the Plus.

Speaker 1:
[25:06] Oh, just Apple TV.

Speaker 3:
[25:07] Yeah, it's all Apple TV.

Speaker 1:
[25:08] So you can watch Yo Dog.

Speaker 3:
[25:10] Or do you like Apple TV?

Speaker 1:
[25:11] So you can watch Apple TV on your Apple TV.

Speaker 3:
[25:13] On Apple TV.

Speaker 2:
[25:14] I think I got that question from a tweet that was like, Apple makes three products called Apple TV. None of them are TVs. Steve Jobs would lose his mind.

Speaker 3:
[25:24] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[25:25] So they, you know, there's lots of things that I, I'm curious if they're going to start to jump into or like dip their feet into and we'll see. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[25:33] Well, I hope that John Ternes says good morning very loudly.

Speaker 1:
[25:37] He's got to have a new entry. There's no way you can. That's like a, that's like a rapper's signature line. That's true. You can't, you can't take his bar. What is up? You need a new bar. Yeah. He did. He did. I forgot what he said when he did the app with the MacBook Neo event. Did you say, what did he say? I don't remember.

Speaker 3:
[25:53] That wasn't streamed.

Speaker 1:
[25:54] So it wasn't streamed. So I don't actually remember what he said because I didn't take a video of it.

Speaker 3:
[25:57] Did he say, hi everyone?

Speaker 1:
[25:59] Probably.

Speaker 3:
[25:59] Something like that.

Speaker 1:
[25:59] That sounds like what he said.

Speaker 2:
[26:02] One of the odds he gets on stage and goes, what's up?

Speaker 1:
[26:06] Not zero. There's definitely a Polymarket link somewhere.

Speaker 3:
[26:10] Yeah. So he takes over in September.

Speaker 2:
[26:12] So I think Apple does nothing in September.

Speaker 3:
[26:15] Yeah. I'm curious what happens at Dub-Dub. Is it going to be Tim that comes on stage? Probably.

Speaker 1:
[26:21] I don't think Tim has he come on stage at Dub-Dub?

Speaker 3:
[26:23] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[26:23] Oh, really?

Speaker 3:
[26:24] He comes before the video starts.

Speaker 1:
[26:26] Oh, yeah. Okay.

Speaker 3:
[26:27] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[26:28] Doesn't he open Dub-Dub?

Speaker 1:
[26:29] Yeah, he comes. So what happens? Yeah, in real life.

Speaker 2:
[26:31] I thought they always, Dub-Dub, the video thing always starts with Tim on the roof or something.

Speaker 3:
[26:35] Yes, it does. But also he comes out in person.

Speaker 1:
[26:38] Yeah. So what happens is when you go to the, to WWDC in person, they start, everyone's sitting in the same space and looking at the same screen, and they actually have someone come out on stage, usually Tim Cook or Craig Federighi, because it's Dub-Dub, and they come up, sometimes both, and they come out and they say, welcome to WWDC, so happy to have you all here. They'll say like one or two generic lines, and then they'll walk off stage into the front row, and then they'll start playing the video that everyone sees on the stream. And then it's Tim Cook and him again on the screen.

Speaker 3:
[27:05] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[27:05] So lately, so the MacBook Neo event, they had the announcement videos and everything, but that, no Tim Cook to be found anywhere. It was just John Ternes on stage, and I think one or two executives with him, but he was clearly like the welcome everyone to the thing that I'm showing you, person, test bed. So yeah, that happened once. That'll probably happen again in September. I believe Dub-Dub, well, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3:
[27:30] I think there will be a lot of hype if he came out.

Speaker 1:
[27:32] If John, I think that's probably what they'll do.

Speaker 3:
[27:33] I think that's probably what they'll do. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[27:35] But Dub-Dub is like a software thing.

Speaker 1:
[27:37] It is, but you're kind of like the, he kind of sets the tone of like welcome to the thing and then passes it to the software people.

Speaker 3:
[27:44] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[27:44] So you're saying John Ternes will come out or Tim Cook will come out?

Speaker 1:
[27:47] I think John Ternes will come out as the, I'm about to be the CEO and I think Tim Cook has done his last keynote.

Speaker 4:
[27:54] Really? That's what I was going to ask. So you think like we're not going to get one more Tim Cook good morning?

Speaker 2:
[27:59] I think we're going to get some sort of like cheeky little thing. Like Tim Cook is going to come out and like AirDrop the CEO position to John Ternes.

Speaker 3:
[28:07] That's actually, I could see that. That's probably, that'd be funny.

Speaker 1:
[28:11] Yeah. So maybe Dub-Dub is the last Tim Cook and the first John Ternes.

Speaker 2:
[28:15] He's going to send him an Apple events invite to become CEO.

Speaker 1:
[28:20] He's going to be in a meeting with HR on his calendar.

Speaker 3:
[28:23] I wonder if they'll put that in the Dub-Dub intro video this year. Because you know that everyone's going to like, some Easter egg. People are going to be so excited about the whole thing. It's kind of great. This is a cult.

Speaker 1:
[28:34] You know what's funny? The amount of people who are like, what about Craig? Why isn't he the CEO? Because he's the one who's like the most charismatic on camera. He's still in charge of all the software. Yeah. So that's not, he's got Falcon here. You just got to pick somebody. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[28:45] I'm glad. I mean, hopefully he reverses course with Liquid S. Well, you know, Tim Cook might have had his amount, his events that he was going to keynote set to zero. But you know what else you can now set to zero?

Speaker 1:
[28:58] What?

Speaker 3:
[28:58] YouTube shorts on your phone.

Speaker 6:
[29:00] What?

Speaker 1:
[29:02] I still watch shorts. On your phone? Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[29:08] Yeah. This is what confused me about this, because shorts are made for the phone, right? Vertical video, TikTok, Instagram reels, YouTube shorts, all of this stuff is vertical because it's on your phone. They won't give us this feature on TVs or desktop. Yeah. So shorts is still available on YouTube desktop, right? Like if you're on a computer, you go to YouTube, you'll still get shorts there.

Speaker 3:
[29:30] For sure.

Speaker 4:
[29:30] But I have the option on my phone, which is what it was made for, to turn it to zero.

Speaker 3:
[29:35] Does it not percolate across all your devices?

Speaker 4:
[29:38] Oh.

Speaker 3:
[29:39] I imagine the setting is on the phone. But I updated my app this morning, and I still didn't have the option to set it to zero.

Speaker 4:
[29:45] Well, I have the option to set it to zero. Maybe I'll do that and see if it populates across.

Speaker 3:
[29:48] See if it populates on your laptop. But yeah, so previously, there was a shorts time limit, and I'm guessing this is sort of like a parental thing where parents could make sure that their kids were not just brain dumping on shorts all day. And the options were in 15 minute increments, and it could be 15 minutes, 30 minutes, 45 minutes an hour.

Speaker 4:
[30:08] That's the verb for it, by the way, brain dumping.

Speaker 3:
[30:11] Yeah, yeah, brain maxing. And now, apparently, you can set it to zero. Again, I still didn't have this option, but I really wish that more social media apps would give you this option, because like I've said, sometimes Instagram really sucks me in for 45 minutes.

Speaker 1:
[30:27] Never gonna. Well, Instagram leans on reels, and TikTok obviously is TikTok, so. Yeah, I feel like this is something.

Speaker 4:
[30:33] This feels like how it should be, though. Like, I don't mind having shorts and reels on my phone, whatever.

Speaker 1:
[30:38] If you have the option.

Speaker 4:
[30:39] If I have the option to go to it. I don't like being served it.

Speaker 3:
[30:42] But it affects their bottom line.

Speaker 4:
[30:44] Yeah, I don't give a s***.

Speaker 3:
[30:45] You don't.

Speaker 1:
[30:45] I guess it's too big of a bottom line. Yeah, for YouTube, it's a fraction of their bottom line. For Instagram and for TikTok, it's too much of their bottom line to give you that option.

Speaker 3:
[30:55] It's surprising to me that YouTube is even allowing this in the first place.

Speaker 1:
[30:58] We'll flex.

Speaker 3:
[30:59] Yeah, kind of.

Speaker 1:
[31:00] I like it.

Speaker 3:
[31:00] We're healthier.

Speaker 1:
[31:01] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[31:02] You know? So, yeah, kind of weird.

Speaker 1:
[31:04] And then you get sucked in the long form.

Speaker 3:
[31:06] Yeah. Speaking of something disappearing.

Speaker 1:
[31:10] Oh, nice.

Speaker 3:
[31:11] Shorts disappeared for some people, if you want. Nothing. We kind of missed the story last week because it happened during the podcast episode last week while we were recording.

Speaker 4:
[31:19] Yeah, but it also didn't happen.

Speaker 3:
[31:21] Yeah. It's Schrödinger's AirDrop clone. Nothing last week released an AirDrop competitor called Warp for a few hours. It was gone like three hours after they released it. They deleted all traces of it from social media. Android Authority got a statement from them asking why they deleted it. And Nothing said, our product team has temporarily removed the Nothing Warp file sharing application to make necessary improvements based on early user feedback and technical evaluations.

Speaker 1:
[31:52] That was quick.

Speaker 3:
[31:53] This is not a permanent removal, but rather a strategic pause to enhance a product's performance and ensure it meets our high quality standards.

Speaker 1:
[31:59] So normally, that's just a software update. So there's more reasons why they had to remove it.

Speaker 4:
[32:05] I hear this is a security nightmare, so we pulled it.

Speaker 1:
[32:09] Either legal or security or both.

Speaker 3:
[32:11] Yeah, legal or security. The site CyberNews was speculating that it was extremely close to an open source tool that was already available and it looked almost identical.

Speaker 1:
[32:20] That's funny.

Speaker 3:
[32:21] So it's possible that they just kind of took the open source tool and released it as their own thing and then they got a blowback from it. I'm guessing it's more of a security thing. Apparently, the way that this worked was that it would upload the file to Google Drive, send it to the other person, auto download it, and then when it finished downloading it, it would delete it off the Google Drive.

Speaker 1:
[32:40] That's crazy.

Speaker 3:
[32:42] Which is really weird.

Speaker 1:
[32:43] It's really funny, actually.

Speaker 3:
[32:44] It's possible Google just didn't, like this violates their terms of service or something for Google Drive. I'm not sure.

Speaker 4:
[32:50] I'm thinking, wouldn't that mean that there has to be some sort of automation to automatically delete something from a user's Google Drive? Which doesn't sound like Google would be okay with that.

Speaker 3:
[32:59] No.

Speaker 2:
[33:00] No, I think, no, because you can delete stuff off of your Google Drive with the Google Drive API. I built tools that do that. I think it's more like, I don't think you can build a commercial service that piggybacks Google Drive. I think that's the...

Speaker 3:
[33:16] Maybe that's why. I mean, it's interesting that they even gave the statement and that they said it is a temporary pause, but it could be an indefinite pause.

Speaker 1:
[33:24] It could come back, it could not.

Speaker 3:
[33:25] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[33:26] TBD.

Speaker 3:
[33:26] TBD.

Speaker 4:
[33:27] I like how this is now a thing. Like, it seems like everyone has an AirDrop...

Speaker 1:
[33:32] Oh, 100%...

Speaker 4:
[33:32] .kind of thing. I...

Speaker 1:
[33:34] There is a phone that will... Okay, embargo will be out by the time we talk about this. Oppo's phone, but this is also not just this phone, where there's like a seven or eight page section of their review guide, which is just clones of Apple features, where they'll be like, install this Oppo app on your Mac and then you will be able to use AirDrop on your Oppo phone and install this Oppo app on your Mac and you'll be able to mirror your Oppo phone on your Mac. Like they are selectively going in and picking Apple ecosystem features and then making a like companion app that lets you have a version of that so that if you are in Apple's ecosystem, you can still use Oppo's phone.

Speaker 3:
[34:15] Didn't they make some sort of work around where you can also use your Apple watch on that?

Speaker 1:
[34:19] Yes, that's another one. Yeah, so you have a specific app on your phone. And then I don't even think you need an iPhone. I think you get the Apple watch and then it can work with the Oppo phone.

Speaker 3:
[34:29] Yeah, I think you might need the iPhone when you set it up, right? And then-

Speaker 4:
[34:32] Yeah, you need an iPhone to set it up.

Speaker 1:
[34:34] That wouldn't shock me. But still, it's so deliberate.

Speaker 3:
[34:37] It is.

Speaker 1:
[34:37] It's like, wow, I can't really switch to the Oppo phone because I use an iPhone and all these accessories. Oh, hold on, hold on. We got an answer.

Speaker 3:
[34:45] Oh, but you can.

Speaker 4:
[34:46] We went so long without any of these. And now it seems like there's a million of them.

Speaker 3:
[34:51] Why is it all happening now? It is strange. It is strange.

Speaker 1:
[34:54] Europe. Europe.

Speaker 3:
[34:56] Possibly Europe. Possibly Europe.

Speaker 1:
[34:57] We love it.

Speaker 3:
[34:58] All right. Well, we got a lot more stories coming up. We clearly don't want to save the best for the beginning. I guess blow through the best of the beginning. So we're going to do something that lasts longer than Tim Cook's tenure, which is trivia.

Speaker 1:
[35:17] Is there anything we have to do 15 years of trivia?

Speaker 3:
[35:19] I kind of, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[35:23] Lock in.

Speaker 3:
[35:24] I hope Waveform is still going in 15 years.

Speaker 1:
[35:26] Same.

Speaker 3:
[35:27] Yeah, when I'm 45.

Speaker 2:
[35:29] All right, guys, Tim Cook is stepping down, like we just covered. And this, I thought, would be the perfect excuse to ask a question about the most random fact I've ever learned about Tim Cook, which I got from a Wall Street Journal article, came out a little bit ago. It's called Tim Cook on Why Apple's Huge Bets Will Pay Off by Ben Cohen. Big article when it came out. And the thing that I learned from this article that shook me to my core. M1? What is Tim Cook's favorite soda? Hint. While it is a very common soda throughout the US, it is not sold in Apple vending machines.

Speaker 1:
[36:13] Like on-campus vending machines?

Speaker 2:
[36:15] That is correct.

Speaker 3:
[36:16] So does he just get deliveries to directly do the office?

Speaker 2:
[36:19] He said in this interview, he does not get to drink it as much as he wants.

Speaker 1:
[36:22] Interesting. I do know he grew up like in the Midwest, so this is probably gonna be a soda I've never heard of.

Speaker 2:
[36:27] He did not grow up in the Midwest.

Speaker 3:
[36:30] No, but he's from the Midwest.

Speaker 4:
[36:32] Don't say it, because that's mine.

Speaker 3:
[36:33] He's from the Midwest.

Speaker 2:
[36:34] He's not from the Midwest either.

Speaker 3:
[36:35] What?

Speaker 2:
[36:36] Guys.

Speaker 3:
[36:37] He has an accent.

Speaker 2:
[36:38] Not a Midwest accent. Are you serious? Wait, don't look it up. I thought it was. Think about Tim Cook's accent, and now think about cartoon characters.

Speaker 3:
[36:47] Yeah, okay, I get it. Is he really? Yeah, I guess he is. That makes sense. That makes sense. That makes a lot of sense, actually.

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Speaker 3:
[40:01] Welcome back, everybody. We all know that Google could really do some stuff to make its pixels more appealing. And specifically, they could bring back features from the old Nexus days that would make it even more appealing.

Speaker 1:
[40:12] I can think of so many.

Speaker 3:
[40:13] What's your number one feature?

Speaker 1:
[40:15] Glowing trackball.

Speaker 3:
[40:16] Trackball.

Speaker 1:
[40:17] Ooh. Nexus One.

Speaker 3:
[40:18] That would be cool, but they're not doing that.

Speaker 1:
[40:20] Oh, darn. Can I keep guessing? You can keep guessing. Boom sound from the HTC One Play Edition.

Speaker 3:
[40:25] That'd be cool.

Speaker 1:
[40:26] It's not that?

Speaker 3:
[40:27] No, sorry.

Speaker 1:
[40:27] Damn. Physical keyboard from the G1.

Speaker 3:
[40:30] You really want that?

Speaker 1:
[40:32] No, I don't. You're right. No moving parts.

Speaker 3:
[40:34] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[40:35] Okay, hold on.

Speaker 3:
[40:37] Think about something that costs one cent.

Speaker 1:
[40:39] Half stage, like two stage shutter button from the Motorola Droid.

Speaker 3:
[40:44] That'd be sick, but they're not doing that.

Speaker 1:
[40:46] Damn. Yeah. Not even like an... What about an accent power button?

Speaker 3:
[40:48] Maybe.

Speaker 1:
[40:50] That'd be nice.

Speaker 3:
[40:50] I'm not sure.

Speaker 1:
[40:51] Okay. They've done a lot. Remember the Panda Pixel and then there was like a little orange power button? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was nice.

Speaker 4:
[40:57] Pixel 4. Bring it back.

Speaker 1:
[40:58] I can bring that back. Squeezing the sides, that was bad.

Speaker 3:
[41:00] That was bad.

Speaker 1:
[41:01] It was fun. It was fun, but it didn't work as well as I was hoping.

Speaker 3:
[41:05] It was totally was so bad. There's a video of Adam and I in Central Park shooting my Pixel 4 review and we're just doing this and it not working. And it's so bad.

Speaker 1:
[41:13] That was an era, truly.

Speaker 4:
[41:14] The best part of that video is that the only way for some reason that it worked was if you leaned over it specifically in this way that made you look like a mermaid. So there's a shot where you're just like leaning on a rock like a mermaid. That's true. Waving at the phone.

Speaker 1:
[41:27] That was one of those like you see there's so many tech demos of like where they try to like gracefully show you the feature and they're like boom and it doesn't work the first time they're like oh sorry I just got to like do it a certain way. That was one where they would try it like six times and it would work once maybe and you'd go I can tell this is going to suck.

Speaker 3:
[41:42] It was so bad.

Speaker 1:
[41:44] Okay what is it then?

Speaker 3:
[41:45] Okay it's LEDs.

Speaker 1:
[41:47] Multi-color LEDs?

Speaker 3:
[41:49] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[41:49] For notifications? Customizable?

Speaker 3:
[41:52] Well maybe customizable.

Speaker 1:
[41:54] I'm in.

Speaker 3:
[41:54] Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1:
[41:55] I'm super in.

Speaker 3:
[41:55] So there was an APK teardown of the latest Android 17 Beta 4 and there's a section in it with a whole page that specifically mentions Pixel Glow Lights which will alert you of important notifications when your device is face down.

Speaker 1:
[42:09] Pixel Glow, oh when it's face down.

Speaker 3:
[42:10] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[42:11] Okay. So it's on the back.

Speaker 3:
[42:12] Yeah, it's on the back. There should be a light bar.

Speaker 1:
[42:14] And a bar would be nice. Oh, I was picturing because there's a couple that have had like pin lights or like the glowing track ball is an example. But like a little dot. So it would just be like the yellow lightning. Oh, no.

Speaker 3:
[42:25] Oh, no.

Speaker 1:
[42:25] A bar.

Speaker 3:
[42:27] It's a bar. That's what it's supposed to be. So it's going to be RGB. They said that you can have it for notifications, for different types of notifications, like phone calls from different favorites, as well as it should animate while you're interacting with Gemini.

Speaker 1:
[42:41] Oh, yeah, of course.

Speaker 3:
[42:42] It should be all wavy, you know, do the thing.

Speaker 1:
[42:44] Wow.

Speaker 3:
[42:44] And I just think that that's a pretty sick feature.

Speaker 1:
[42:48] Tim Cook can never. This is crazy. I really like this idea. Yeah, I mean, there's a long time where I was customizing Android ROMs or just had like, you know, software settings where I could decide certain apps would glow my notification light a certain color. So there'd be like a light blue and a dark blue and a yellow and a green. And so I could know what the flashing color of the light meant, and I could decide to check it or not. So this is like a bring that back.

Speaker 3:
[43:12] If this is user customizable, and maybe there'll be a ROM that allows it to be user customizable, which might bring back ROMs. Who knows? That'd be pretty cool. That'd be sick. I think it would really help differentiate Pixel devices. They're kind of like, at that point, they're more customizable than nothing phones.

Speaker 1:
[43:27] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[43:28] So it's like, what's nothing got on them?

Speaker 1:
[43:30] Yeah, I mean, the nothing phone has the screen on the back with like a bunch of, it's this mini display and you have these apps that you know you get essential notifications from. It's interesting. I think that's at least interesting. Most phones don't have anything on the back that you can tell what notification you got. So I'd like another version of that.

Speaker 3:
[43:50] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[43:50] You might be devil's advocate here.

Speaker 3:
[43:52] Sure.

Speaker 1:
[43:52] Try.

Speaker 4:
[43:52] So, what?

Speaker 1:
[43:54] I'll defend it. I'll be devil's devil's advocate.

Speaker 4:
[43:57] The double double?

Speaker 1:
[43:57] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[43:59] So for the record, great idea. Bring this back. I love this. But is this just Google preying on our nostalgia? Because we have Always On Displays that gives us way more information. It's not the phone upside down. Yeah. But just putting the phone up, you can see everything. Like we have AMOLED. This is like a solved problem.

Speaker 1:
[44:16] That's valid. I would say there's a couple things. One, I don't love Always On Displays. I started turning them off on a lot of phones that it kind of got annoying. Either I would like tap the display as I'm putting it in my pocket, and because it was always on, it would light up as I'm putting it away and I get annoyed. So I just turn it off. And I started like leaving my phone face down because these are face up sitting here, but they're not telling me anything because I turned it always on display off. I would like to have them face down and just be able to know because I'm waiting for the Slack notification for Wawa orders. I'm like, oh, it's the pink notification. I know I should check this one. So yeah, are they playing on my nostalgia? Probably a little bit. Probably a little bit, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[44:54] When I'm like out with a friend at dinner or something, I pretty much always flip my phone upside down because I don't like that I can get a notification and it shows up. Then I think that the reason that this is a little bit better is because being able to glance and just be like, oh, it's an email, that's it. Oh, it's a text. Maybe I should check it. But not moving your attention to exactly what the text says on the always on display. You get very distracted when you're looking at that.

Speaker 1:
[45:19] You can just be ambiently aware that you got a text.

Speaker 3:
[45:22] Yeah. It also helps you if you're interacting with Gemini, you know that it heard you because it's waving around. Also, just we like cool pretty colors. That's pretty standard.

Speaker 1:
[45:32] You know, the back of the phone is a historically underutilized spot. Sometimes there's a fingerprint reader back there, sometimes it's not. Sometimes there's a little display back there like the Xiaomi 17 Pro, sometimes it's not. I like something back on the back.

Speaker 3:
[45:43] It'll be interesting to see how they keep it waterproof and everything while also adding LEDs. I guess it'll have to be under glass.

Speaker 1:
[45:49] Just behind the, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[45:51] Where do you think it's gonna be on the phone?

Speaker 1:
[45:52] I was picturing a bar across the bottom.

Speaker 3:
[45:54] That'd be cool.

Speaker 1:
[45:55] Like a thin stripe type of thing.

Speaker 3:
[45:57] That'd be super cool.

Speaker 1:
[45:58] I like that.

Speaker 4:
[45:58] I think it's gonna be above the pixel bar.

Speaker 3:
[46:01] Like right at the top?

Speaker 4:
[46:02] Like right at the top. That little sliver there on the pixel.

Speaker 3:
[46:05] I'm kind of on team bottom.

Speaker 4:
[46:06] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[46:07] Careful.

Speaker 3:
[46:09] There's nothing wrong with that, Marques.

Speaker 1:
[46:12] Just saying.

Speaker 2:
[46:13] Careful.

Speaker 3:
[46:13] So apparently the APK Teardown also-

Speaker 4:
[46:15] Another one for the supercut.

Speaker 3:
[46:16] Also-

Speaker 2:
[46:17] Another one for the David's freebie on the pod supercut. We watched that, by the way. If you're out there, we watched that and we laughed.

Speaker 3:
[46:26] I don't think most people know what that is. Okay, so the APK Teardown also indicated a Pixel Laptop that is going to be released. They try this every six years.

Speaker 1:
[46:37] And I buy it immediately every six years.

Speaker 3:
[46:39] Yeah. But what's more exciting about this is, one, it's also supposed to have the Pixel Glow thing, which I'm not really sure how they're going to do that because computers are just very different with notifications.

Speaker 1:
[46:50] Well, okay. So remember the last Pixel Laptop?

Speaker 3:
[46:53] Yeah, the cheap one. That had the Pixelbook Go?

Speaker 1:
[46:56] No. So the Pixel, god, the names. Hold on. I want to find the name of it. But it had an RGB stripe on the back. But after the CR-48, yeah, like the Pixel. Yeah, laptop.

Speaker 3:
[47:06] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[47:07] So just that again.

Speaker 3:
[47:08] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[47:09] But have it light up.

Speaker 3:
[47:11] That one didn't actually glow, right?

Speaker 1:
[47:12] I thought it did.

Speaker 4:
[47:13] The Chromebook Pixel?

Speaker 1:
[47:14] Yes, that one.

Speaker 3:
[47:15] Chromebook Pixel.

Speaker 1:
[47:15] Did that one light up?

Speaker 2:
[47:16] The No Glow Chromebook Pixel is a Pixelbook Glow, Pixelbook Go with Pixel Glow?

Speaker 3:
[47:23] Oh my God.

Speaker 1:
[47:24] It glowed.

Speaker 2:
[47:25] That's great.

Speaker 1:
[47:25] Like that.

Speaker 3:
[47:26] Oh.

Speaker 1:
[47:27] And it had...

Speaker 3:
[47:27] But what did it glow for?

Speaker 1:
[47:28] I don't know, but it's doing stuff.

Speaker 3:
[47:30] It is doing stuff.

Speaker 1:
[47:30] I gotta re-watch my review.

Speaker 3:
[47:31] This is old.

Speaker 1:
[47:32] This is 13 years old.

Speaker 3:
[47:33] So old.

Speaker 1:
[47:34] Yeah. But yeah, it lit up. It turned off when the laptop was off, or it would light up with notifications or something on the back. So that's the thing I would like them to bring back.

Speaker 3:
[47:42] I mean, the big question here is like, when I have my laptop closed, I'm like done with it. You know what I mean? I don't need to like see notifications on my laptop. I already have my phone for that, but this is potentially going to be their big Android Chrome OS merger OS, which means that maybe it will have a lot more direct compatibility with your phone.

Speaker 1:
[48:03] Yes. Have you ever had this moment where you pull out your laptop to use it and you open it and it's got 2% battery and it's about to die? You're like dang, I wish I knew it was about to die. Oh. Well, you know how you'd know? Yeah. As if at 10%, it just subtly, softly glowed red, just sitting there closed. You'd go, ah, I like that. Appreciate that communication laptop.

Speaker 4:
[48:26] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[48:27] Am I crazy?

Speaker 4:
[48:28] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[48:29] You used to be able to do that on MacBooks.

Speaker 1:
[48:32] What would glow?

Speaker 2:
[48:33] No, there was a button on the bottom of the MacBook that you could hit and then it was sort of like the battery tester. Am I crazy?

Speaker 3:
[48:39] That's true.

Speaker 1:
[48:40] When you say bottom, you mean the bottom under it?

Speaker 2:
[48:43] I got to research this. I'm having a weird.

Speaker 3:
[48:45] Nothing wrong with the bottom.

Speaker 1:
[48:46] That doesn't sound like a Mac. I can't remember a button on the bottom.

Speaker 4:
[48:48] There was a glowing Apple logo on the back of some of the early Macbooks.

Speaker 1:
[48:51] Yeah, just a glowing white logo.

Speaker 4:
[48:53] Yeah, just a glowing white logo.

Speaker 1:
[48:54] But it never had any functionality.

Speaker 3:
[48:56] I didn't just think so.

Speaker 4:
[48:57] That's exactly what I want from my Chromebook. When the battery is about to die, use more electricity.

Speaker 3:
[49:03] It's a tiny, tiny amount.

Speaker 4:
[49:05] I know. I'm joking.

Speaker 3:
[49:06] Yeah. I'm just like, what other use case? I guess maybe you could use it to invoke Gemini. Because at the end of the day, they just want all of your devices to be endpoints for Google Assistant, for Gemini, you know? So if you have your laptop sitting on your desk and it's your most nearby device and it has like always listening or something, if you can control your home.

Speaker 1:
[49:27] Is that a crazy thing? So like, what if, you know how a lot of laptops sometimes have like slightly thicker displays and they've put like compute in the top section of it sometimes? Like there'll be like a...

Speaker 2:
[49:37] I'm not crazy. This existed.

Speaker 4:
[49:38] Oh, I do remember that.

Speaker 1:
[49:40] What computer?

Speaker 4:
[49:41] The battery indicator.

Speaker 2:
[49:41] Unlike the pre-2012 MacBooks, there was a button on the left side of the computer that if you hit, these LEDs would light up until your battery percentage. I'm not crazy.

Speaker 3:
[49:51] That's cool. Where were the LEDs, though?

Speaker 1:
[49:53] Yeah, where is that?

Speaker 3:
[49:53] Where were the LEDs? The LEDs were also on the side.

Speaker 1:
[49:56] Oh, oh, that's the, okay, the metal ones, yeah, it's like a sort of a flush button with like five dots that would all light up.

Speaker 3:
[50:04] That's cool.

Speaker 1:
[50:05] I don't, wow, that's a good callback. I didn't remember that at all.

Speaker 3:
[50:07] That is cool. They should bring that back.

Speaker 1:
[50:09] So yeah, the idea of like a Gemini thing, what if there's a little bit of compute that stays on even when you close the laptop?

Speaker 3:
[50:14] Always listening.

Speaker 1:
[50:15] But it is like a little always listening, little tiny computer SoC or phone SoC or something, and you can still ask it, hey, G, and the speakers are still in there. They're going to be muffled, but they could still respond.

Speaker 3:
[50:26] Totally.

Speaker 1:
[50:26] That could be a thing.

Speaker 3:
[50:26] I think that'd be sick. Or it could be side firing speakers or bottom firing speakers so you could still hear it. Yeah, I mean, Apple has been quietly adding thread radios to all their devices, right? I feel like Google could also start adding all of these multifunctional radios and stuff to their devices.

Speaker 1:
[50:45] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[50:46] And they want you to have as many access points for Gemini as possible because they want you to use it in as many places as possible.

Speaker 1:
[50:52] Yeah, they want us to use it all the time.

Speaker 3:
[50:53] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[50:54] Was it Nest that had a thread radio in a thermostat or something that they just turned on after X amount of years?

Speaker 3:
[51:00] It was the HomePod as well.

Speaker 1:
[51:02] Yeah, the HomePod was silently carrying a thread radio for a long time. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[51:07] There was an Apple product that did that too but not with thread.

Speaker 3:
[51:11] It was the thermometer.

Speaker 2:
[51:12] An Apple product released with a radio that they didn't turn on until a year or so later with a firmware update.

Speaker 3:
[51:17] Wasn't it the...

Speaker 1:
[51:18] I thought I made a video about the...

Speaker 2:
[51:20] It was the second generation iPod Touch that shipped with a Bluetooth radio that they didn't announce or turn on until like a year into this.

Speaker 3:
[51:28] That's crazy.

Speaker 2:
[51:29] I know. I really hope I remember. I'm like, my brain is filled with these like 2010 Apple facts right now. I have to go double check all of them.

Speaker 1:
[51:37] That's really funny. Oh, iPod Touch though. Yeah, I guess it makes sense. I pictured my first iPod, which was like the tall Nano. Yeah. That one with Bluetooth would be crazy.

Speaker 3:
[51:47] It would be wild. You probably do it now. So yeah, I mean, that's exciting. It doesn't take a lot to please TechReviewers. You just need to give us the RGB lights and that's it.

Speaker 1:
[51:54] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[51:55] You know?

Speaker 1:
[51:55] Unfortunately, I am easy to please in that way.

Speaker 3:
[51:57] Indeed. Indeed.

Speaker 1:
[51:59] All right. What is this headline about Motorola?

Speaker 3:
[52:01] Yeah. Speaking of people who are not easy to please.

Speaker 1:
[52:05] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[52:06] Motorola in India is suing social media platforms and dozens of content creators over things that were said about the company.

Speaker 1:
[52:17] Not a good look, but what are the details because maybe I'm missing something.

Speaker 3:
[52:21] Yeah. So it's seeking takedown of content and broader restraint for what it deems false or defamatory material related to their devices. It specifically called out that it didn't like that people had been publishing videos of their phones catching fire, which it said were fake. It was saying that these things were fake, but it wants to restrain people from suing and publishing this content, including reviews, videos, comments, and boycott campaigns.

Speaker 1:
[52:50] So this is the prime example of the Mandela effect, right? No, no, no. What's the, if you hide something? The Streisand effect.

Speaker 3:
[52:58] Yeah, Streisand effect.

Speaker 1:
[52:59] I had not heard about any Motorola phones catching on fire.

Speaker 3:
[53:02] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[53:03] And now I'm curious if they're real or not.

Speaker 3:
[53:05] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[53:06] Seems like they're insisting that they're not, but here we are.

Speaker 3:
[53:10] There was someone that quoted like last week, it was like, there's two ways to respond to criticism. One is to make your product better and one is to make it worse by, you know, getting aggressive. So yeah, it alleges that there are hundreds of posts across social media that show Motorola products in a false and defamatory way. And it says that it did this lawsuit in the interest of public safety, which doesn't make a lot of sense. India is Motorola's second biggest market, which makes up about 20% of its global market share. And you know, like, obviously people on social media, especially big phone fans, are, can be pretty over the top sometimes. But stopping people from publishing negative reviews is not a good look. It's a very bad look. And it sort of tracks that they're suing them in India, because I think that there are probably looser freedom of speech laws there. Just hope that this does not happen, because, you know, I don't know, it's bad. It's bad to repress speech.

Speaker 4:
[54:13] When I read this, it kind of reminded me of all the different ways that CEOs just respond to things. So this reminded me a lot of Carl Pei with nothing, because that's a company that has turned negative feedback into content in an interesting way. Like, we will occasionally talk bad about nothing products, and there are three things I know to be true in life, which is death taxes and that Carl Pei will turn that into a YouTube video and just make a bunch of views. Like, they turn it into content in a way that allows him a platform to respond without suing creators into oblivion. So, I think that's an interesting way of going about it, and Motorola should pay attention.

Speaker 3:
[54:55] Yeah, they're owned by Lenovo, as you remember.

Speaker 4:
[54:58] True.

Speaker 3:
[54:58] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[54:59] I did not remember that.

Speaker 3:
[55:00] Oh.

Speaker 4:
[55:01] I completely forgot.

Speaker 3:
[55:02] I will remind you. And yeah, it's just not a good look. You shouldn't repress people's speech, and that's bad. So, we'll have to follow that lawsuit and see if anything actually comes from it. There's one other big story here.

Speaker 1:
[55:12] Speaking of following something.

Speaker 3:
[55:14] I'm gonna talk about basketball. So, I hope you're proud of me. Steph Curry, you know, the king, as we in the basketball industry call him.

Speaker 1:
[55:25] Oh boy.

Speaker 4:
[55:25] The king is LeBron.

Speaker 3:
[55:27] Is that really true?

Speaker 2:
[55:28] There is another player who's-

Speaker 1:
[55:29] I'll stop you when you say something. I'll stop you if you say anything crazy, but you're on the right track so far.

Speaker 3:
[55:33] Okay. Well, he plays for the Golden State Warriors. He's been playing for them for a while. He's so good with his accuracy. When he shoots the ball, it usually goes in the hoop. It's kind of crazy how many times he can get it in there. Also was an investor in Palm. I met him during my Palm briefing, and he was wearing it as a necklace. Anyway, the NBA is very deeply rooted in Google sponsorship. They do a lot of Pixel stuff. Famously, a couple of the NBA stars use Pixels every day and they say they actually like it, even though people don't think they do.

Speaker 1:
[56:15] They really do.

Speaker 3:
[56:15] They really, maybe do.

Speaker 1:
[56:18] They really do.

Speaker 3:
[56:19] They really say that they do.

Speaker 1:
[56:20] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[56:22] And we have been hearing these rumors of a new Fitbit coming out that's supposed to compete with Whoop, because remember, here on the Waveform Podcast, we f***ing hate Whoop. Down with that company.

Speaker 1:
[56:33] We are Whoop haters.

Speaker 3:
[56:34] We are Whoop haters certified. Andrew's not here to defend himself. And so-

Speaker 2:
[56:39] Andrew famously loves Whoop.

Speaker 3:
[56:41] I mean, he-

Speaker 2:
[56:42] Andrew's obsessed with this company.

Speaker 1:
[56:43] We always dunk on Whoop and he's like, staking up for them, but yeah, he's not here for that.

Speaker 3:
[56:47] So if you don't know what a Whoop is, it's imagine a smart watch without the watch. It's the watch band, but it's thicker. And the idea is like, you don't want to wear a smart watch, but it gives you deeper analytics about your body. It's got all these different data points and they're suing like a smaller app company because they think that they stole a lot of their data points. It's very stupid. But-

Speaker 2:
[57:08] It's like, if you wanted all the benefits of wearing an aura ring, but you needed people to know you were wearing an aura ring.

Speaker 1:
[57:13] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[57:14] It's kind of a sad thing.

Speaker 1:
[57:15] Well, you can wear a whoop under your sleeve or like hide it if you want to.

Speaker 3:
[57:17] Yeah. You got to get like an accessory for that, I think, to wear like on your chest.

Speaker 4:
[57:21] I'm going to do a weird pivot here because over the weekend, Man City beat Arsenal. So it was a very hard day for me as an Arsenal fan. But at the end of it, Holland, who's one of the great players in Man City, ripped off his shirt, ran onto the field wearing a whoop band. And I was like, he's allowed to play with that? How?

Speaker 3:
[57:40] Well, is that my, are they not allowed to play with those things?

Speaker 4:
[57:42] I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[57:42] I guess so. If it's under your shirt, yeah, no, that's fine.

Speaker 3:
[57:45] But they can't play it if it's over your shirt?

Speaker 2:
[57:47] Guys, I don't know if you know this. You play soccer with your feet. So I think, I think it's OK.

Speaker 1:
[57:51] So I play, I play a sport where before every game, they line all the players up, they do the national anthem. And then they go down, the refs go down the line. And if any player has on any wristband or jewelry or necklace or anything that could get caught on a finger and like pull, that makes sense. They tell you to take it off. OK. So you can wear it under your sleeve. You can wear it somewhere where it's not going to get caught. But then if it is out, you got to take it off.

Speaker 4:
[58:13] I have a question about that.

Speaker 1:
[58:15] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[58:15] I currently have a bracelet that I cannot take off.

Speaker 1:
[58:17] Yep.

Speaker 4:
[58:18] What happens in this case?

Speaker 1:
[58:19] They will take tape and tape it to your wrist fully. So I can't get caught with like a finger.

Speaker 3:
[58:24] I can't take it off.

Speaker 4:
[58:25] Because it was one of those things where they like zap it in place and it's there forever.

Speaker 1:
[58:28] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[58:29] It's one of those.

Speaker 3:
[58:29] You did that?

Speaker 4:
[58:30] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[58:30] There's other people that have that. Yeah. They're like or they just refuse to take it off or whatever it is. So they just get it taped on. Whoa. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[58:37] You did that to yourself?

Speaker 1:
[58:39] It's never taking it off. It's just a bracelet.

Speaker 3:
[58:41] It's like being chained to something for your whole life.

Speaker 1:
[58:43] Kind of. To what?

Speaker 3:
[58:45] To the chain.

Speaker 1:
[58:47] I guess.

Speaker 3:
[58:48] Anyway, that's like a tattoo, bro. Okay.

Speaker 1:
[58:50] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[58:50] Well.

Speaker 5:
[58:50] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[58:51] I have none of those.

Speaker 3:
[58:55] Okay. Fair point.

Speaker 5:
[58:56] Fair point.

Speaker 3:
[58:56] Anyway, back to Steph Curry, the king as we like to call him in the basketball world.

Speaker 1:
[59:02] I don't want to stop you.

Speaker 3:
[59:03] I'm going to keep.

Speaker 1:
[59:03] Yeah, it's fine.

Speaker 3:
[59:04] You know, he shoots a lot of hoops. So he's got, he's been wearing this unidentified Fitbit device for many months. You know, there have been articles that have been coming out that's just like little glimpses of him wearing it. But then Kellan at Droid Life, shout out to Kellan, one of most OG phone YouTubers there are.

Speaker 1:
[59:24] OG legend.

Speaker 3:
[59:25] In 2012, I had push bullet notifications for every article that Kellan wrote. It's pretty sick. He's still going strong. He decided to get a little bit obsessed with this because he's a huge basketball fan and as we all are here in the Waveform Podcast.

Speaker 4:
[59:40] He's specifically a Trailblazers fan because he's in Portland.

Speaker 1:
[59:43] That's tough. That's pretty tough.

Speaker 3:
[59:45] Well, he analyzed a ton of Instagram videos, YouTube videos and there was even one other thing, just a lot of videos on the internet.

Speaker 4:
[59:54] And Getty Images.

Speaker 3:
[59:54] Getty Images of Steph Curry over the last, since February effectively. And he was able to catch multiple, multiple, multiple glimpses of Steph Curry wearing this unannounced Fitbit band that is supposed to compete with Whoop. It is much thinner than a Whoop. It kind of just looks like a Pixel Watch band, but it's slightly thicker at the top. And Steph Curry never wears it during the games, I'm guessing for the same reason that you can't wear bracelets and stuff.

Speaker 1:
[60:21] He never wears it visibly during the games, but there could be a chest strap or some random accessory. Yeah, maybe, accessory, maybe.

Speaker 3:
[60:27] But there are multiple screen shots of him wearing it out and about. There is even an image that Kellen caught where he has an app open on his phone that appears to be sort of like a new redesign.

Speaker 1:
[60:38] Oh, I watched that video. I didn't even catch that. Damn, that's good.

Speaker 4:
[60:43] I didn't get plain sight.

Speaker 3:
[60:45] Yeah, so I imagine that it's been months since this has been kind of being leaked. And I feel like Google is leaking this on purpose at this point.

Speaker 1:
[60:55] Yeah, honestly, this to me is the best case scenario. I imagine he's invested in Fitbit or some like a lot of Golden State Warriors players, California team are connected with a lot of California companies. So there's a lot of tech connections. So I wouldn't be shocked if he's invested in this company or something like that. And he's just Google. Yeah, for sure. Or they have some partnership, whatever it is. And so Steph organically deciding to wear this for weeks and weeks before it comes out is the best possible endorsement of the product. To me, it's probably in his contract. Elite athlete chooses to use this product before it comes out. Before he's probably going to get paid to do a commercial or whatever about it, he's going to be able to actually say he's been using it. And probably actually like really uses it and cares. So I, yeah, it's just free promo for them. Google stuff leaks already anyway all the time. So here we are.

Speaker 3:
[61:46] Yeah, but it looks good. I personally, I would love something like this that gives you all the analytics, but that you can put on any watch. Cause it looks like it's just a watch band size with a slightly thicker top.

Speaker 1:
[61:57] Well, the puck, that's where it's measuring everything.

Speaker 3:
[61:59] Yeah, yeah. But if they were able to put that in the bottom part, and then you could just wear a regular watch on the top, I think that would be sick.

Speaker 1:
[62:06] Or maybe even like clip a watch to it. I don't know how that would work. But I guess you maybe could. Yeah, maybe you could just sew a watch.

Speaker 4:
[62:13] My problem with putting it on the bottom of a watch band is that not all watches are meant for like sports and stuff. So if you're like wearing a watch that you don't want to smash into a wall, you know, I wouldn't want to have my tracker on the bottom of that. Having an option would be nice.

Speaker 3:
[62:27] Yeah. Well, it looks very Google-y. It kind of is just like this. I don't even know. Can you describe this?

Speaker 1:
[62:34] It's like a... So it looks like the... What's that Apple Watch band called? It's like the trail loop. Trail loop. It looks like a trail loop band, but without the Apple Watch, and instead it just has this small puck under it. If you've seen Meta's wristband for their glasses, it kind of has roughly that amount, and it's on the back of your wrist where the watch would be. So no screen, no time. Again, it seems weird to people who don't use it, but a lot of people don't want to screen on their wrists, so it just has long a battery, and it just sits there and measures your stuff, and you check the app when you want to see the info, and yeah, they're finally going to compete in that space.

Speaker 3:
[63:07] It's funny how out in the open he has been with us though. Like there's an image of him giving an interview.

Speaker 1:
[63:12] Yeah, press conference.

Speaker 3:
[63:13] Press conference, and he's just got it on. Which is crazy.

Speaker 4:
[63:16] Have you guys used the new Fitbit Coach thing?

Speaker 3:
[63:20] No, but you've been using it, right?

Speaker 4:
[63:21] I've been using it. I really like it.

Speaker 3:
[63:23] Really?

Speaker 4:
[63:24] But to this product's credit, it pretty much only works with Fitbit devices and or my Pixel Watch.

Speaker 3:
[63:32] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[63:32] And I don't wear my Pixel Watch every day because it's a Pixel Watch. Yeah. It's like it's fine, but it's not the one that I'm like, I'm usually wearing like a real watch. So this is like I'm actually very interested in something like this because Fitbit back in the day to me was this. It was just a random little tracker that pretty much everyone were walking to Best Buy and buy. You can swap out the bands and everything like that. Then they started getting like a little bit more smarter and smarter and all this stuff. But like the core of what Fitbit always was to me was just this little tracker. So if I can just have the little tracker with these in-depth analytics that you get from something like the Pixel Watch, I think that would be pretty interesting.

Speaker 1:
[64:10] Probably have a longer battery life too.

Speaker 3:
[64:11] Yeah, when I worked at Intel, there were only like 30 bucks at the time to get the little pedometer Fitbits that you could literally put in your shoe. And then people would be able to... And then we had like walking competitions, which is so funny. Because it's like, who can get the least work done? Which nobody at Intel gets work done anyway.

Speaker 4:
[64:29] Allegedly, this is going to be called Fitbit Air. That's what I think 9to5Google found that.

Speaker 3:
[64:34] Interesting.

Speaker 4:
[64:35] Can we come up with different names? That's my other...

Speaker 3:
[64:37] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[64:37] I think this is... There's Airs, there's Pros.

Speaker 1:
[64:39] Air means light, Pro, Promex.

Speaker 3:
[64:40] You should have called it Foop.

Speaker 1:
[64:43] Fitbit. See, the thing about Fitbit, Fitbit's a good name for a product, but it's their company name now.

Speaker 3:
[64:47] Google Fitbit.

Speaker 1:
[64:48] So you can't call it the Fitbit. That would be a good thing to call this. You got to call it Fitbit something.

Speaker 3:
[64:53] Fitbit Loop, maybe? That could, yeah, Fitbit Band.

Speaker 1:
[64:58] They'll think of something. This is Steph Curry. Also, the King is LeBron, so that's just the one fractional house.

Speaker 3:
[65:03] So what do we call him?

Speaker 1:
[65:04] We can call him the Chef.

Speaker 3:
[65:05] The Chef?

Speaker 4:
[65:06] Oh, I thought he was the Goat.

Speaker 1:
[65:07] What's a Chef? That's, I mean, he's some people's Goat, but...

Speaker 2:
[65:11] He's frequently referred to as Chef Curry.

Speaker 1:
[65:13] Chef Curry. Why?

Speaker 2:
[65:15] Because his full name is Chef On.

Speaker 1:
[65:19] And he'd be cooking out there because he's cooking. Yeah. That's good. Chef Curry with the pot.

Speaker 3:
[65:26] Is that real? Is that a real thing people will say?

Speaker 1:
[65:28] Trust me. Yes. Yeah, no, it's great. All right. Last thing I want to do before we take a quick break is I want to show you guys something. And I just want to make sure I'm not crazy before I crash out about this. So check Slack. Okay. Check the Waveform Slack channel. And I want you to open this Dropbox link and just watch this quick minute-long video. And once you're done watching it, just let me know.

Speaker 3:
[65:52] Is there sound?

Speaker 1:
[65:53] You don't need the sound.

Speaker 3:
[65:54] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[65:54] You can see this is the Oppo Find X9 Ultra.

Speaker 4:
[65:57] David, you want to describe what you're seeing?

Speaker 3:
[65:58] All right. So this is the Oppo Find X9 Ultra case. Whoa. Okay. So it's the phone. And then it's like a giant accessory case. Looks like it's for photography stuff. The case that is next to it is like insanely rugged looking. They slap the case on the phone. It makes it basically an Otterbox.

Speaker 4:
[66:20] It looks like a small rig had a baby with an Otterbox.

Speaker 3:
[66:23] They put, oh, there's like a front attachment that locks in. So it's like fully encased in this case. This is like an outdoor, crazy outdoor setup. Okay. Now he's got basically what looks like a gimbal attachment or something. Oh no. It's a shooting grip attachment that plugs into the phone. It looks very ROG, to be honest. And then they attach a filter attachment to it. So they can put like an ND filter, a variable ND on there. That's kind of cool. Yeah, it's variable ND. They're spinning it around. Okay, now they hear what Marques is going to say. Now they attach a cooling fan. Oh, now they attach a left hand grip for some reason. Oh, now they attach a cold shoe. Oh, okay. Now they're attaching a quick release for a... Okay, it was for a tripod. And now, oh my God, what is this? Oh, there's a giant Hasselblad box. Oh no, does this get crazier? Oh no. Oh no. Okay, there's a really, really big Hasselblad lens attachment that comes with like a tripod mount. You have to put a lens adapter on in order to...

Speaker 8:
[67:37] Oh my God.

Speaker 3:
[67:39] Oh my God. This looks so insane.

Speaker 6:
[67:44] What is this?

Speaker 2:
[67:45] The final render at the end doesn't have the lens tripod mount on it.

Speaker 1:
[67:50] Yeah, it comes off. It's a collar. It comes off.

Speaker 3:
[67:53] So this just looks like a Terminator situation.

Speaker 4:
[67:55] Please tell me they sent this to you and you have all of this in the other room.

Speaker 1:
[67:59] Okay, so.

Speaker 3:
[67:59] What in the world?

Speaker 1:
[68:01] So I watched this and my first thought is, what are we doing though, for real, for real? I don't have a price tag on this, but I'm assuming if you are willing to buy this flagship phone, $8, $9, $10, $1,000 phone, whatever, and you're also going to buy the lens and the battery grip and the cold shoe and the cooling fan and the lens adapter and the lens and the tripod and all this stuff to go shoot with your phone, you clearly really care about the quality of the work that you're making. So why are you using your phone still? Spend all of that on a cheap camera that will do better than whatever you're about to shoot on your phone. This is not a diss on the camera on the phone, it's a really good phone camera, but physics is still real and you can still get much better footage out of a dedicated camera, plus better audio, plus better codecs, etc. So I think there's a Goldilocks zone to how much it's acceptable to improve your phone camera. Before you're just going too far and you should just use a camera, you know? Is that valid? I think this is too far.

Speaker 3:
[69:08] I think that the only acceptable use of really, really trying to improve your phone camera as much as possible is if you are going to make phone native content, right? Because the biggest annoyance of using a dedicated camera to shoot content that is gonna be on phones is that you have to move all of the data to your phone eventually. So, the one plus for this, the oppo for this, is that, I guess they are the same company, is that if you are gonna shoot a reel or something, all the footage is right there. If you are editing on your phone, it is right there. But then at that point, it is like, this clearly doesn't look like it is for reels. This looks like it is for a feature film.

Speaker 1:
[69:45] They have got it sideways.

Speaker 2:
[69:46] This is gonna be so hard to, you have to take all of this off your phone to be in editing. This is like a 90 second process to like, to even hold your phone in a way that is comfortable to edit. If you were to get the footage, you would need to disassemble this whole package.

Speaker 1:
[70:02] Instead of just blipping the photos to yourself. This is like, yeah, it is like you decide you want to get this shot or however many shots or this whole shoot you are about to do. You have to go through this two-minute process of assembling your phone rig, which valid, you have a rig, you are going to get pretty footage, but you could spend two seconds turning on a regular camera and just start getting footage. And I just think, yeah, this is in the valley between good phone footage and regular camera footage.

Speaker 3:
[70:30] You know how you have that analogy of VR headsets and glasses and how they are both trying to move towards each other? Yeah, this is like smartphone and camera. Yeah, trying to move towards each other, except the smartphone went way too far over the line.

Speaker 1:
[70:44] It really has.

Speaker 3:
[70:44] Because cameras have, they are now cameras that you can buy that are just all in one. They have really good mic, like pick up mics. They have really good quality.

Speaker 1:
[70:51] Stabilization.

Speaker 3:
[70:52] They are small. They have really good stabilization.

Speaker 1:
[70:54] They have codecs.

Speaker 3:
[70:54] It's just all in one, like really quick short form content or YouTube video content cameras. Yeah, and that's moved towards the smartphone line. But this just went way over the line.

Speaker 1:
[71:05] I think it's way over.

Speaker 3:
[71:06] Yeah, this is crazy.

Speaker 1:
[71:07] It's insane.

Speaker 3:
[71:08] Other problem is if you spend like, you're going to spend like $800 on the accessories alone. It's probably a $1,000 phone. And you spend $800 on the accessories and then you can never upgrade your phone.

Speaker 1:
[71:19] Yeah, once you move phones, you're like, well, I guess I don't use any of this stuff anymore.

Speaker 3:
[71:23] It's useless now. At least with a dedicated camera, the glass is always going to be relevant because they always use the same amount. Most of the accessories can be used on any camera because it's all universal. No, this can only be used with the Oppo Find X9 Ultra.

Speaker 4:
[71:37] Which, by the way, weird small rig cage aside, the phone is beautiful.

Speaker 1:
[71:43] The phone is really good without all the stuff on it.

Speaker 4:
[71:46] Yeah, when you take all the other stuff off, the phone itself is aesthetically gorgeous.

Speaker 1:
[71:50] Yeah. By the time you watch this, our video wanted is up. It's called, So This Is Peak Smartphone. Because smartphones are just... We've gotten to the point where they're so good that they're good at everything already, and any differentiating factor is really just preference. Yeah. I think that's my take basically on this. And so when you look at, like, what do we want from a good smartphone screen? Well, I don't know. I just want it to be bright enough and good-looking enough that I can see it all the time, and it just looks good all the time. Okay, well, it is. It's a high refresh rate, super bright OLED that gets to 144 Hz, and will go down to 1 Hz, and has high-frequency PWM dimming, and it just looks awesome all the time. So, success. What about battery? Oh, I don't know. I just hope it never dies on me. Okay, 7,000 milliamp hours, and silicon carbon, and it's like, it'll charge at 100 watts if it ever dies. All right, mission accomplished. You kind of go down the line. We've done everything. Cameras are the last thing. They're trying this stuff. They're putting huge 200-megapixel sensors in there. They take good smartphone photos all the time, but they're never gonna take good, you know, high-level camera photos. So it's just like, this is good smartphone photography and there it is. Yeah, it's a great phone.

Speaker 4:
[72:57] I have a question for you. Yeah, if the accessories and the lens and everything was able to be adjusted to fit future phones, would that change your opinion on it?

Speaker 1:
[73:06] That would improve it, but it would still feel like you're kind of spending too much time on... Because the thing about a smartphone camera is it's so convenient to just pull out the camera, open the app and get the shot or just get the videos. That's the strength is versatility. So, if you're throwing away all the versatility to get this super good quality, then why not just get the super good quality? You know what I mean? Like just get the camera and it's actually more versatile again because it takes two seconds to boot it up and just start shooting. So, you're taking the strength of the smartphone, which is versatility, you're throwing it all away to clip this case on, clip the lens mount on, clip the lens on, get the collar on the lens, do all this stuff and by that point, you're getting better footage but like, you could just get a camera.

Speaker 3:
[73:53] But it probably costs the same amount as like an $800 all-in-one Sony vlogging camera.

Speaker 1:
[73:56] Which is gonna beat this.

Speaker 3:
[73:58] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[73:58] So, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[74:00] Yeah, that's pretty insane.

Speaker 1:
[74:02] All right, I'm glad I'm not alone in this.

Speaker 3:
[74:04] That's pretty insane.

Speaker 1:
[74:04] Anyway, go watch that video, it's the Oppo Find X9 Ultra, really good phone, obviously great cameras, but people are going too far. Yeah. All right, we'll take a quick break and before we do that one more time, trivia.

Speaker 3:
[74:16] Sometimes it's universal across every Waveform episode. That's good.

Speaker 4:
[74:20] Nice.

Speaker 1:
[74:20] That's good.

Speaker 4:
[74:21] Where in the world is Tim Cook from?

Speaker 1:
[74:25] Dang.

Speaker 3:
[74:26] Do you need the city?

Speaker 4:
[74:27] City and state, please.

Speaker 3:
[74:28] Okay. I think I might know. I think I know.

Speaker 1:
[74:31] I know, but you guys said stuff before, I think I'm wrong now.

Speaker 2:
[74:34] I have a good hint if you need it later.

Speaker 1:
[74:37] I'll take a hint.

Speaker 3:
[74:38] The Georgia.

Speaker 2:
[74:39] I'll wait till we get there.

Speaker 1:
[74:41] I think the hint has something to do with someone in the studio here.

Speaker 3:
[74:44] I don't think we need it.

Speaker 1:
[74:44] No? All right. Then I'm not going to be right.

Speaker 3:
[74:47] Chicago. All right.

Speaker 1:
[74:49] Well, we'll either be right or we'll learn something. That's it. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 3:
[77:04] Welcome back, everybody.

Speaker 2:
[77:05] Welcome back.

Speaker 3:
[77:06] I like that.

Speaker 2:
[77:06] Marques has to get on a plane in an hour and a half.

Speaker 3:
[77:08] An hour and a half.

Speaker 1:
[77:09] I'll be on the plane in an hour and a half.

Speaker 3:
[77:10] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[77:10] That would be great.

Speaker 3:
[77:11] Well, yeah, I guess so. Okay. We're going to speed through these because Marques has to get on a plane in an hour and a half. You're a nerd. So there's, we talked about the GoPro cameras last week. It was pretty crazy. They have new cameras out of these. There's the Mission 1, there's the Mission 1 Pro, and there's the Mission 1 ILS, and there's a new lens system. We now have prices for these GoPros. Ellis is very excited about using them for lenses. He's yeehawing over there. So now we got the prices, the Mission 1, $599. The Mission 1 Pro, $699. And the Mission 1 Pro ILS, $699. But these are all discounted by $100 if you have a GoPro subscription, which I didn't know what that meant.

Speaker 4:
[77:47] And what is that subscription you get you, David?

Speaker 3:
[77:48] I had to look it up. It is cloud storage. It kind of makes automated little videos for you based on your footage.

Speaker 1:
[77:56] A GoPro subscription?

Speaker 3:
[77:57] Yeah, it's kind of crazy.

Speaker 2:
[77:58] It's a warranty program too.

Speaker 3:
[77:59] It's also a warranty program.

Speaker 2:
[78:01] Yeah, insurance, Apple care.

Speaker 3:
[78:02] Insurance type program.

Speaker 1:
[78:03] You know how there's like the beastification of YouTube? Is this the Appleification of tech companies? A GoPro subscription?

Speaker 3:
[78:09] Everyone needs recurring revenue.

Speaker 1:
[78:11] It's basically like you're a hardware company, but you need more recurring revenue. So you just bundle together some things that would work well with your hardware. I'm not saying this is a bad idea, but wow, a GoPro subscription.

Speaker 3:
[78:20] I think it's a bad idea.

Speaker 4:
[78:21] There's no money in selling something once. You gotta sell it a hundred times.

Speaker 2:
[78:25] I don't know how the subscription works, but if the camera is able to auto upload to this cloud storage.

Speaker 1:
[78:30] Yeah, no, I'm sure it's very clever.

Speaker 2:
[78:32] GoPros find themselves in situations where they become former GoPros often, you know? And so being able to know that footage is in the cloud, not bad.

Speaker 1:
[78:41] Yeah, a GoPro subscription.

Speaker 3:
[78:44] I guess. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[78:45] What do we think? Wait, what's so fun? There's a Mission 1 and a Mission 1 Pro.

Speaker 3:
[78:49] Pro.

Speaker 1:
[78:49] What is the $100 difference between those cameras?

Speaker 3:
[78:51] Mostly based around the types of, like the frame rates that they can record. So like 4K 240 FPS versus 4K 120. You get 8K 60 on the Pro versus 8K 30 on the regular one.

Speaker 1:
[79:04] The Pro has more processing power, can handle higher frame rates.

Speaker 3:
[79:06] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[79:07] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[79:07] So that's the main difference.

Speaker 1:
[79:08] I still really want to shoot with them. I just got to see how good the footage is. We just showed you that insane rig with the phone, with the Oppo, and like this is gonna be... You could get one of these and probably get really good footage from it, and it'll just be like a one button click.

Speaker 3:
[79:21] Yeah, I would rather have this than the phone.

Speaker 1:
[79:22] So yeah, we'll have to get some and shoot with them and see.

Speaker 3:
[79:25] Much smaller. Okay. We got some iPhone colorful iPhone Pro rumors. So instead of just the...

Speaker 1:
[79:33] Oh, I love this.

Speaker 3:
[79:34] Yeah. So the rumors are that the iPhone Pro is gonna come in this light blue.

Speaker 1:
[79:38] Don't care.

Speaker 3:
[79:39] Pantone 2121. Dark cherry.

Speaker 1:
[79:42] Kind of don't care either.

Speaker 3:
[79:43] What is wrong with you, Marques? This is crazy.

Speaker 1:
[79:45] Keep going.

Speaker 3:
[79:46] Silver. Don't care. Dark gray.

Speaker 1:
[79:49] Hell yeah. Hell yeah. That looks... And you saw the renders. Yes. Yes. Yes, please. Give me a dark neutral.

Speaker 2:
[80:00] You're like a Staten Island mom picking up the color of her car. Like, ew, any semblance of saturation, get it out of here.

Speaker 1:
[80:07] It's just the best looking one. And you know what's funny? These are actually very popular car colors. Silver, light blue, dark cherry, which is kind of like the burgundy car you see everywhere, and then black. The only other popular colors I've seen are like white and beige. Yeah, no, this is gonna look good.

Speaker 3:
[80:23] I think the silver actually looks sick.

Speaker 1:
[80:24] The thing is, Ellis, I shoot a lot of car videos for autofocus on the phone. I get it. And the color of the iPhone reflects in every screen in the car every time. And I've had an orange iPhone for many of these videos, and I pointed at that car play screen, and there is just orange hitting me back in the camera lens, and I can't take it anymore. I need... And the blue one, it's close, but it just gives me a black spot.

Speaker 3:
[80:44] That dark cherry purple is pretty fire, not gonna lie.

Speaker 1:
[80:47] It's...

Speaker 3:
[80:47] Look.

Speaker 4:
[80:48] I had two questions here. One, does this mean orange is dead forever, like that's it?

Speaker 1:
[80:53] It'll come back in like five years or something.

Speaker 3:
[80:55] Purple is the new orange.

Speaker 4:
[80:55] So this is... Nice. So this is like a... That was a celebrity color.

Speaker 2:
[80:59] Wait, no. Literally... Oh no, it doesn't work. I would say orange is the new black, but black is the new orange.

Speaker 1:
[81:04] Black is the new orange. That's even better.

Speaker 3:
[81:06] Well, I don't think black is the new orange. I think purple is the new orange.

Speaker 4:
[81:09] Second, is the space gray name dead? Is that still available?

Speaker 1:
[81:12] For iPhone?

Speaker 3:
[81:13] You can buy it on the Macbook is still space gray.

Speaker 4:
[81:15] Macbook is still space gray.

Speaker 1:
[81:16] Is it not space black now?

Speaker 3:
[81:18] Oh, it might be space black.

Speaker 2:
[81:19] No, I found space black. Space black is a different color though.

Speaker 3:
[81:21] Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 2:
[81:22] Space gray is...

Speaker 3:
[81:23] I have the space black Macbook Pro.

Speaker 1:
[81:25] Space black, right? Yeah, same. I think it's called space black now.

Speaker 3:
[81:29] But do they not also have space gray? Because space is...

Speaker 1:
[81:31] You know what's funny? We talked about this in an earlier episode. Space is gray.

Speaker 2:
[81:34] No, space is moka. Cosmic latte. Cosmic latte.

Speaker 1:
[81:38] It's not fully black at this point.

Speaker 3:
[81:39] Cosmic latte. We talked about this. The average color of the universe.

Speaker 1:
[81:44] What is this Mac, iPhone Air color? Is it just... It's not black.

Speaker 3:
[81:47] It's probably just black.

Speaker 2:
[81:48] They would never call something black.

Speaker 3:
[81:50] I don't know. They might.

Speaker 2:
[81:51] They would call it ambient stillness. I don't know. That was bad.

Speaker 1:
[81:56] Okay, so the Macbook Pro is space black.

Speaker 4:
[81:59] So is the iPhone Air.

Speaker 1:
[82:00] iPhone Air is space black?

Speaker 4:
[82:01] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[82:01] So...

Speaker 4:
[82:02] That's it, right? I saw the leak and I was like, oh, okay, space gray is back. And then I read it and I was like, wait.

Speaker 1:
[82:08] Well, they could still call it space gray.

Speaker 4:
[82:09] I mean, they could.

Speaker 1:
[82:10] But what is this supposed to be, dark gray?

Speaker 4:
[82:12] Yeah, it's just dark gray. Like it's black, dark gray, whatever. But like, I like, I don't know, maybe I've been like apple-pilled, but I liked space gray as a name. I was like, that's cool.

Speaker 3:
[82:21] I feel like it's too reminiscent of the Johnny Ive era for me. I feel like we need to move past it, you know?

Speaker 1:
[82:28] Interesting.

Speaker 3:
[82:28] Yeah. Okay, so now that Marques has to board in one hour and 20 minutes, we got to talk about this Huawei Pura X Max foldy boy that they just launched. Huawei. Huawei? Because they want to get ahead of Apple.

Speaker 2:
[82:44] They want to get a Huawei. No, that doesn't work. They want to get Huawei ahead.

Speaker 3:
[82:49] Huawei ahead of Apple. Yes, we first saw rumors and leaks of this last week, but now we have specs and pricing. It is a short boy, is a short king, 5.4 inches cover display with 3,500-nit brightness. So very short phone. It's definitely the passport style, short king. 7.7-inch internal display, 3,300-nits. Bolt support, 120-hertz LTPO. It's got that homegrown Kirin 9030 Pro chip. 5,300-milliamp-hour battery. Wish that was bigger. 66-watt wired charging and 50-watt wireless charging. 50-megapixel main, 50-megapixel tele, 12.5-megapixel ultrawide. I just love that there are triple cameras. The iPhone is not going to do that, and that's really sad, because I really wish they would. Supports Huawei's M-Pen 3 Mini Stylus, so you can use it as a little notebook thing. $1,600 for the 12-gigabyte, 250-gigabyte version. 256-gigabyte version. $1,800 for the 512-gigabyte version, and $2,000 for 16 gigs of RAM and one terabyte of storage. Really expensive phone, for sure.

Speaker 1:
[83:57] As will the rest of these be.

Speaker 3:
[83:59] As will the rest of these be. So, you know, yeah, it looks just like kind of the iPhone is gonna look like probably, but it's got more cameras.

Speaker 2:
[84:07] You left one thing out about this exciting new announcement from Huawei.

Speaker 3:
[84:10] The colors?

Speaker 2:
[84:11] No, that unlike most Huawei products, the Verge article, I think, that reported, whichever article is linked in the show doc, said that it is unclear whether it'll come out outside of China. So we might actually be able to get a global, quote unquote global minus United States version.

Speaker 3:
[84:29] If it comes to, yeah, yeah, yeah, it could come to European.

Speaker 2:
[84:31] Or it could not.

Speaker 3:
[84:32] Or it could not.

Speaker 2:
[84:33] It's unclear.

Speaker 3:
[84:34] That's true.

Speaker 2:
[84:34] I hope it does.

Speaker 3:
[84:35] You know what is clear?

Speaker 2:
[84:36] What?

Speaker 3:
[84:36] The thing that we do at the end of every trivia, I mean, at the end of every podcast episode.

Speaker 2:
[84:41] I guess, yeah, there's not much more we can really say about this at the moment.

Speaker 3:
[84:44] No, no. Unless there's been breaking news, there hasn't been. I don't think so.

Speaker 2:
[84:50] But I do need to address something real quick, because certain video viewers may have been wondering why I'm literally jacked out head to toe in Philadelphia 76ers Cure. Head to toe is not an exaggeration. I've got the socks.

Speaker 3:
[85:06] Oh my. Oh, they're on your head and on your toes.

Speaker 1:
[85:09] This man is committed.

Speaker 3:
[85:10] Literally head to toe.

Speaker 2:
[85:12] And that is because, oh my god, my leg is cramping from that move. Wow, I need to stretch more. Tonight, the Philadelphia 76ers play game two against the Boston Celtics. Last game, we lost by 30 points. And I realize that is my fault. I did not do enough to cheer on this team. So for the next 15 seconds or so, this is a Philadelphia 76ers podcast. Tyrese Maxey is a dog. Kelly Oubre is a dog. VJ Edgecombe, dog. These boys are gonna take us all the way to the NBA finals, baby. And if you don't believe, you're not a friend of mine. Go Sixers forever.

Speaker 1:
[85:51] Really, I'm really sorry about that. What are we gonna do when they get swept?

Speaker 2:
[85:57] Bro, if they get swept, you know, honestly, like, I thought about it. I was like, how will I emotionally recover from a sweep? Because I have been through Philadelphia 76ers fans, I will make the statement, have been through more than any other fan base in the NBA, especially in the last 10 years. The amount of, like, insane stats that are just emotionally punishing, like how-

Speaker 1:
[86:17] Every sports fan believes this about their own team, by the way.

Speaker 2:
[86:19] I know, but have you, our star player has gotten sick for four out of the last seven, like, not injured, sick.

Speaker 1:
[86:27] That's a bummer.

Speaker 2:
[86:28] You know what I mean? For the four, like, the fact that we continually have to play the Boston Celtics, both of whom star players, we had the ability to draft and didn't.

Speaker 1:
[86:38] You could be a Knicks fan.

Speaker 2:
[86:39] Okay, but the Knicks owner isn't literally in the Epstein files. There's just, like, so many things that it's just like this fan base. And then I realized, this is what being a Sixers fan is all about. Any of us could jump ship at any point, but we want the chaotic ride, baby. We want Kelly Oubre getting hit by a car two weeks after joining the team. Okay, we want Joel Embiid showing up. No, Kelly Oubre, please don't get hit by another car. But it's like, I love you, Kelly Oubre, man. Your eyes are so beautiful. Tsunami Poppy, you're like literally my favorite guy. Please just stay off the bicycle in Center City for a little bit. What's Tim Cook's favorite soda pop?

Speaker 3:
[87:20] Oh yeah. Wait, wasn't this the second question?

Speaker 2:
[87:23] This is the first question.

Speaker 3:
[87:24] Oh.

Speaker 1:
[87:32] I don't even know SOTUS.

Speaker 4:
[87:35] You know, you're my SOTUPOP.

Speaker 3:
[87:37] Yeah, I feel like you'd know that intrinsically, Marques. You love KBOBDANE HUNTERS.

Speaker 1:
[87:42] Yeah, but that doesn't mean I name SOTUS. I don't know anything about SOTUS. Here we go. I thought of one.

Speaker 2:
[87:50] Who wants to read first?

Speaker 1:
[87:52] I, I'll read mine. Orange Crush.

Speaker 3:
[87:56] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[87:57] That's a real SOTU, right?

Speaker 2:
[87:58] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[87:59] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[87:59] I wrote Pepsi.

Speaker 2:
[88:02] It is a Pepsi product, though.

Speaker 3:
[88:03] Oh, really?

Speaker 2:
[88:04] Because according to the Wall Street Journal, Tim Cook's favorite SOTA is Diet Mountain Dew. The least Tim Cook SOTA imaginable.

Speaker 3:
[88:12] I didn't even know they made Diet Mountain Dew.

Speaker 2:
[88:15] And of course, like, Andrew is not here today.

Speaker 3:
[88:18] That's crazy.

Speaker 4:
[88:20] All right. Follow up question. Where is Tim Cook from? This is a Tim Cook podcast today for obvious reasons.

Speaker 2:
[88:27] My hint is that it is arguably the most hilarious city in America for a phone executive to be from.

Speaker 4:
[88:35] Good hint.

Speaker 3:
[88:36] Really?

Speaker 4:
[88:37] Good hint.

Speaker 1:
[88:37] I'm wrong. I can't even think of an answer for that.

Speaker 3:
[88:40] I feel like that would be Weed, California.

Speaker 2:
[88:42] That would be pretty funny, but this specifically for a smartphone executive, the way funnier.

Speaker 4:
[88:50] Flip him and read. What do we got?

Speaker 1:
[88:55] I don't know. Paris, Texas.

Speaker 3:
[88:59] I wrote Dallas, Texas. Is it Houston?

Speaker 4:
[89:03] No. Before I tell you how wrong you guys are, quick update on the score. Marques with 21, Andrew with 22.

Speaker 1:
[89:11] I'd like to stay at 21.

Speaker 4:
[89:12] David in the lead with 26. The answer, Mobile, Alabama.

Speaker 3:
[89:17] I thought I said it was the South and you guys said it wasn't.

Speaker 2:
[89:19] You said the Midwest.

Speaker 3:
[89:21] What's the difference? Where's the bar?

Speaker 1:
[89:24] How far south you are?

Speaker 2:
[89:25] The bar is in both places, actually. Famously.

Speaker 1:
[89:28] Mobile, oh, I get it.

Speaker 2:
[89:29] Mobile, like, because it's spelled mobile.

Speaker 1:
[89:31] Mobile. Mobile.

Speaker 3:
[89:32] That's pretty funny.

Speaker 1:
[89:33] Alabama.

Speaker 2:
[89:34] That's good, right?

Speaker 3:
[89:34] That's good.

Speaker 1:
[89:35] Good hint.

Speaker 2:
[89:36] Good hint from Ellis. You know.

Speaker 3:
[89:39] That's it.

Speaker 1:
[89:39] Well, we learned two new things about Tim Cook. Maybe next time we'll learn some new things about John Ternes or even some other CEOs. Who knows? Could get really fun. Definitely stay tuned for your regular scheduled programming and that bonus episode that Andrew is in exactly half of and yeah, go watch the Apple Find X9.

Speaker 2:
[89:56] This is actually a technology jersey too.

Speaker 3:
[90:00] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[90:00] Just got the threads in it or something?

Speaker 2:
[90:02] Because it's an AI jersey.

Speaker 1:
[90:03] An AI. No more puns Ellis.

Speaker 3:
[90:07] Is that Alan Iverson?

Speaker 2:
[90:08] That's Alan Iverson. That's AI baby. All right, we'll be right back.

Speaker 10:
[90:10] See you next week.

Speaker 3:
[90:12] Wait. I just want real quick, subscribe so you can turn us into one of the top podcasts in the world. Sorry. I had to do it.

Speaker 7:
[90:24] I'm sorry.

Speaker 2:
[90:27] WayForward is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Riven. We are part of the Vox Media Podcast Network, and our intro outro music is by Vayne Sill.

Speaker 7:
[90:32] And go Sixers!

Speaker 3:
[90:36] Let's go, bingo.

Speaker 1:
[90:39] Sick.

Speaker 3:
[90:39] All right, get on your fucking plane. All right. Streetlight just announced the album will be out before June 12th.

Speaker 1:
[90:53] Yeah, but what about GTA 6? I don't know about that.

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