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Speaker 1:
[01:28] Hello, welcome to Heed the Call. A football show, live. Immediately, as promised, following round one of the 2026 NFL draft 32 picks in the books, and we're gonna break them all down. Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, Conor Orr. Conor hitting us with a yawn right on the intro.

Speaker 3:
[01:55] Well, we love that.

Speaker 1:
[01:57] That really conveys the excitement that pulsates through us all right now. Justin Graver on the ones and twos. Sessi, good round, fun round, spicy round. Not one that will maybe go down, you know, there was no gravity bongs or scandal, at least not directly within the draft, but a lot of good players came off the board, and it will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.

Speaker 3:
[02:26] They tried. I mean, they tried. With what we were given and the event that it was, there were some trades, there were some spiciness. I will say one thing, though. I cannot recall a first round where suddenly, and we're like, we're going to jump on live the minute that this thing concludes round one. It's suddenly the end of round one. This 10-minute to 8-minute clock cut down, especially later in round one, it moved. This thing rolled like a race car, and daddy likes.

Speaker 4:
[02:58] I knew you would like that.

Speaker 3:
[02:59] Well, what's not to like? Why does it need to be so much longer?

Speaker 1:
[03:03] In general, I get that. You're of the TikTok generation, young at heart, you know?

Speaker 3:
[03:08] That is correct.

Speaker 1:
[03:09] Conor?

Speaker 4:
[03:11] I had a blast. I really, I didn't think I was going to. I was pretty cynical about this, not surprisingly. But I thought this was a great display of a team's understanding of football economics. And I think some teams, you know, once teams got wind that you could trade up, I think, on the cheap, and the Browns were the first team that kind of took a hit in terms of pick value when the cheaps moved up. I think you started to see a little bit more activity. You started to see a little bit of the excitement come up. And that's when your real GM moments, your real Howie Roseman moments start to happen. So I thought it was fun. I had a good time.

Speaker 1:
[03:45] Yeah. I mean, my team had three first round picks, the Jets at two.

Speaker 3:
[03:50] But you might be the winner. You might be the winner, Stan.

Speaker 1:
[03:52] I think so. It's again, it's hope season. That's why, what I really always liked about the draft is that it's hard unless you pick like Alex Leatherwood or something like that, it's easy to get excited. The Jets picking at two, 16 and then trading back in at 30, address three big needs on the roster. We'll get to all that and shout out to everyone that's on the live stream right now. We are very happy to have you and we appreciate it. And we'll check in with you guys later in the show and throughout the proceedings. But I guess, I mean, what would be the biggest surprise? Well, I would have to say it has to be that there was a second quarterback that came off the board and not just came off the board, all the way up at 13 and the Rams stay there. A lot of people, I didn't see any mocks. And we'll check in on Sessi's mocks as we go through this, but on his mock draft. I didn't see anyone saying that Ty Simpson was gonna go 13 to the Rams. And yet, that's exactly what happened. So now this 23 year old becomes the successor to Matthew Stafford, who's entering his 18th season. But by the way, Conor is also in ongoing talks for a contract extension that is believed to extend him at least another year beyond this one. So it's a forward looking move for the Rams. You could criticize it by saying this is also a team that's right there. And you could have used that pick to build around Stafford and try to get that ring. But instead, they're looking for a long range plan and trying to do both things at the same time.

Speaker 4:
[05:34] That's why I hated it. And this has nothing to do with Simpson. I'm sure he's gonna be fine or he might be fine. We don't know the answer to that. The Rams were picking right at that point where we had a huge run on offensive tackles. There's a bunch of teams that were desperate to get up and get one of their guys before they got off the board. I thought they could have at least traded back if they weren't certain at that point and maybe gotten Simpson a little bit later. But my central thesis on this, like why I hate it so much is that every veteran quarterback wants to play for McVay. McVay can do what he did with Stafford in perpetuity for the rest of his career. Why are you wasting a pick when you could have gotten a wide receiver because the situation with Pukin Akiu is uncertain? You have some holes all across that offensive line. There are a lot of good offensive linemen left on the board at that point. Why are we taking a successor at this point when it may be two or three years away? And again, we don't know if any of these guys are true quarterback whispers. Kyle Shanahan struck out with Trey Lance. Kevin O'Connell struck out with JJ McCarthy. This is not a sure thing like everyone's saying it is. It's like the Patrick Mahomes Ascension Plan. We don't know if that's going to be the case.

Speaker 3:
[06:40] Well, I think it was luxurious. It was just like, wait, what? Here now? Because for a team that I think we would rank as a top three strategically forward thinking front office operation, you could have easily traded down. And I get if you want, if this is your guy and you're in love with them, you don't have to trade down into the second round or even the back end of the first. But you could have gotten something to go down a number of spots. The only other team even vaguely linked with Ty Simpson was the Arizona Cardinals. And I think they thought probably, if anything, we back into the final few picks of the first if he's still available at that point. So it felt luxurious to me. And like I guess the one thing I'd say the Rams get the benefit of the doubt and Dan Orlovsky is going to have a field day on ESPN after all of the hullabaloo about this leading up to this.

Speaker 1:
[07:32] He's going to be so humble, he's going to have Dan Orlovsky humble face.

Speaker 3:
[07:35] Well, he also he's in great shape.

Speaker 1:
[07:36] Such a blessing. It's such a blessing to do what I do. It's like, all right, Dan, take the W.

Speaker 3:
[07:41] I don't I don't sense that Dan Orlovsky is a Dan Hanzus viewing target typically. And I get that I totally get it. But like, I do think it's an annoyance that comes out of this because the Rams always feel a little home cooked to me with the networks and media in general. But I'll just say like, if another team went and did this, had the Browns gone and done this, not just to bring them up, but one of the few quarterback needy teams, we would be shredding them with a lawn shredder, or whatever you call it, a mower.

Speaker 1:
[08:10] It's been a while since Marc has been in suburban dad mode. Yeah, I think that's such an important thing to keep in mind when you look at how the league is covered, that teams get the benefit of the doubt from the fans, from the media, and you're right, you didn't hear anybody talking about how they're scratching their head about this. When, yeah, remember all that dialogue around Orlovsky, and give him credit, Orlovsky stuck his neck out there and said he thought he was a better draft prospect than Fernando Mendoza, and then here's Sean McVeigh, and that brain trust saying that they see him as a guy, they couldn't risk it. I mean, that's the way they looked at it. I see that side of which is like, man, like, couldn't you have traded back to 23, 25, 28? Yeah, but you know what? The Cardinals or somebody else could have jumped ahead of you if you really like the guy and you really believe him. If he turns out to be a good player in this league, no one's going to remember where he went in the first round, whether it was 13 or 28. So they deserve the benefit of the doubt, but also it was surprising. My bigger issue, not to repeat, but my bigger issue, Conor, is this team is right there and you could have added a really big time player to this attack or this defense, wherever you wanted to go with it. And so you pass on that. And that is a sacrifice that if they don't get over the hump in the final years of Stafford, that maybe you will look back at this, especially obviously if the quarterback doesn't pan out.

Speaker 4:
[09:44] Yeah, and that's why in my mock draft, I had them moving up and trading with the Cardinals to get, or I'm sorry, the Titans to get Jeremiyah Love, because assuming that the Cardinals wouldn't have made that deal with a division opponent, but the Cardinals were like begging people to come up and take somebody like that for someone to move up there. But one important note here with the Rams picks, so Ty Simpson's dad Jason is a head college football coach who's very close with Les Need. Les Need, the GM of the Rams, advised Simpson to come out in the draft, which I think is kind of interesting because Simpson could have transferred, he could have made a lot of NIL money, he could have hit that start threshold that teams want to see out of a quarterback, but instead he trusted that the Rams were kind of going to be his safety net in this. And so this has legs beyond McVeigh liked him. This was something that was coming for months in the percolator.

Speaker 3:
[10:35] Does that make you feel good as a Rams fan though? I mean, just because I don't mind you liking the quarterback, but you could have had Kenyon Sadiq, you could have had McKay Lemon. I mean, you could have had someone that pushes you over the brink in the NFC title game in the coming January.

Speaker 1:
[10:50] With the right move, their offense could have been putting opposing defenses in the lawn shredder all season. Correct.

Speaker 3:
[10:58] That's the machine. I was more talking about like a clipper, a hedge clipper type thing that you just go in. It's not getting better, buddy. I understand what a lawn... No, I mean, I'm...

Speaker 1:
[11:12] Let's take off that suit jacket. Maybe let's roll up the sleeves and send a message to the audience that the old Marc's still in there somewhere.

Speaker 3:
[11:19] Well, I have mowed a thousand lawns in days past, so...

Speaker 1:
[11:23] And what did you use?

Speaker 3:
[11:25] A lawn mower.

Speaker 1:
[11:26] All right.

Speaker 3:
[11:27] One that, you know, you got to dump the bag in the side woods, right?

Speaker 1:
[11:30] Cue like 1,500 people overseas right now. It's like whatever it is over there. OK, we call it a lawn mower typically. All right.

Speaker 4:
[11:43] Wait, is it really called a blade runner? I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[11:45] So dumb. All right. So anyway, so there you go. That to me was the big surprise considering it was widely believed that only one quarterback would go in the first round, that one quarterback. Of course, Fernando Mendoza, who of course goes number one. Shout out to, I don't know if I believe this, but I think they said over 300,000 people. Did I hear that right? They said 300,000 people were in that town square in Pittsburgh today. It's kind of a bummer.

Speaker 3:
[12:14] And Trump took the photo, but yes.

Speaker 1:
[12:17] Yeah, like.

Speaker 5:
[12:18] They say he loves Trump.

Speaker 1:
[12:19] Yeah, like he, you know, you go there. I was trying to put, wrap my head around like the fan experience, because I kind of liken it to the same thought I have every New Year's Eve, watching the people that just are packed in like sardines on a miserable winter's day in the middle of New York City. And you can't move, you can't go anywhere. And I'm like, that seems like a big commitment but not a huge payoff. I don't know, maybe the going on the draft is incredible, but it also has to sync up in the right way. And in this case, like these people of Pittsburgh, they go to this giant city square, they wait, you know, seven, eight, nine, 10 hours, a right tackle gets picked. He's not even there. And before like the next pick is even called in, you could see they showed a wide shot and you just saw literally like 145,000 people leaving in mass. And so like, you know, shout out to those people for toughening it out. And there was even that report that Rapsheet had that they almost had Mackay Lemon, right? Yes. They were trying to call to get a trade done or to pick Lemon, but then the Eagles jumped in front of them and made the pick. And Lemon would have been there and you would have had the crowd reacting to this like wide receiver didn't quite work out. The first overall pick, Thorndyne of Mendoza, not in the city either. So a tough viewing experience, but I don't know. I digress.

Speaker 3:
[13:49] We could text Damishek maybe for his tabulation on the crowd numbers because he was there, our friend, David Damishek.

Speaker 1:
[13:58] Of course. Dave has to be there. The Drafts in Pittsburgh, it had a very Pittsburgh feel. I mean, that as a compliment, it felt a little, it felt like very meat and potatoes. They kept on bringing out this choir over and over again before. And then they had the then Sticks was playing, of course, because of the Renegade thing. But they even had the two guys in Sticks. And you had that thing whenever like classic rock singers, they get older and they get softer features, but they keep the long hair. And it's like, who are these two 73 year old women? Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[14:30] It's our Paul McCartney.

Speaker 1:
[14:31] Oh, that's the guys from Sticks. Anyway, let's get back on track. Shout out to everybody in the stream. Like, what the f*** am I doing here? The first, as they said, the draft begins at number two because nobody knew with the Jets, would they go David Bailey out of Texas Tech? Or would they go Arvel Reese out of Ohio State? They go with Bailey. I hadn't really talked about this on the show. So I'll just say real quick, I understood the both sides of this and the way it was being explained. There was no scenario where I was gonna be mad either way. So I can't get upset at all. So we have that tweet by Per Chance, Justin of I think Pelrazer had a tweet from an NFC executive. Pelrazer, as one NFC executive said recently, if the Jets don't take Bailey, they're out of their effing minds. They should fire themselves. Whenever it's your favorite team, you want to be on the right side of history with like tweets like this. So I was like, okay, I'm good here. I'm good here.

Speaker 2:
[15:29] Right. We're rolling.

Speaker 1:
[15:30] Any thoughts on that move, that pick, Conor?

Speaker 4:
[15:34] I think that Bailey is one of those, because Arvel Reiss is like the family guy joke, where it's like you have a boat and then you go over to the mystery box and you're like, I'll take the mystery box because there might be a boat in there. And I think it's the difference between like Bailey had one of the best analytical pass rushing seasons in college football modern history. He like aligned with like Miles Garrett, right? And Reiss is attractive because he could be Michael Parsons, but you have to use them in the right way. And he's going to be an inside linebacker sometimes. And then he's going to be an edge on pass rushing downs, which is cool. But like if you're Aaron Glenn, like, do you know how to do that? Can you handle it? Do you have the bandwidth to do that? Whereas David Bailey can fit in kind of any defense. And I thought that's they have to be thinking fairway picks here.

Speaker 1:
[16:18] Yes, I think you you nailed it. I think if Glenn wasn't coming off such a disastrous season, maybe they would feel emboldened to take a chance if they thought that this guy Reese could be the next, you know, insert superstar Micah Parsons or whoever here. But this felt like a saver pick. I'm okay with it. At number three, yeah, you got cue the sad violins, Justin. I know you feel okay about where things ended up, but it did that reporting around Jeremiyah Love right before the draft turned out to be deadly accurate that the Titans were no longer in the pole position and the Arizona Cardinals, in fact, would be interested in maybe staying home at three and taking Jeremiyah Love out of Notre Dame. It's exactly what happened. Take us through your thought. Now, we're going to get to it because I know you're happy where things landed when you did get to the board. But in the moment, I know Marc and I, Conor was doing a live stream of the Monday morning quarterback with Burt Brear. But Marc and I were just trying to be there for you in that moment.

Speaker 6:
[17:26] Yeah. I was actually live on the Music City Audible at that time.

Speaker 1:
[17:31] I was wondering where the lag was in our pre-production, Marc. That's right. Our producer was in a full on live stream. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[17:37] It's not a double-pronged operation.

Speaker 6:
[17:40] We ended that around pick 10, so it wasn't a huge deterrent to getting this show ready to go. I was stunned that the Cardinals took him. I acknowledged on that show that I did believe it was possible. I mean, there was a lot of smoke there. What I think happened is that Michael Bidwill came in and said, this is what you're doing. I think the reason it didn't come out until Monday of this week is like Monty, Austin Fort and his team have been spending months building their draft board, gathering intel, evaluating these players. They have their board set. Bidwill comes in on a Monday before the draft is like...

Speaker 1:
[18:18] Is this based on reporting or just...

Speaker 6:
[18:20] No, this is pure speculation.

Speaker 1:
[18:21] I'm just coping right now.

Speaker 6:
[18:22] Coping, but also pure speculation.

Speaker 1:
[18:25] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[18:27] He came in and blew it up on Monday. I got it. I was like, no, we're getting the guy who could be a superstar.

Speaker 1:
[18:32] Let's pump the brakes a little bit.

Speaker 6:
[18:33] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[18:34] Could Michael Bidwell have come in and said, we're taking this guy? Yes, that guy's a jackass. But do we have any report that that happened?

Speaker 6:
[18:43] I mean, we-

Speaker 1:
[18:44] So just for our audience out there.

Speaker 6:
[18:46] We do have, like McShea has said this, Josh Norris has said this, people have said that this is where it came from. But the idea that he came in and blew up their draft board on Monday, that's me just going full speculation.

Speaker 1:
[18:59] Hey, is it time to erase the board behind you?

Speaker 6:
[19:02] It is.

Speaker 1:
[19:03] All right, here we go. Right over his right shoulder, Jeremiyah Love, no matter what.

Speaker 6:
[19:08] You need the spray when it's been sitting there for a month, you know?

Speaker 3:
[19:12] We don't need to know that, but thank you.

Speaker 1:
[19:14] While Justin's doing that, you know, did they really lose out on a MVP level running back, you guys think? I mean, look at Conor, the Notre Dame alum. He says all you need is love. It says right on his shirt.

Speaker 6:
[19:28] That's it, baby.

Speaker 1:
[19:29] So a tough one as he erases the board. Sorry, Justin. Let's move to pick number four.

Speaker 6:
[19:35] I do think it's a terrible pick for Arizona, by the way. And it might be hypocritical, but...

Speaker 3:
[19:39] I know you were going with Justin.

Speaker 1:
[19:41] All right, let's hit on that real quick, because that is not necessarily a position of need for a team that needs a lot. Thank you, Justin, of all people, for steering it to the other team here. They just picked up Tyler Algier, your boy, Marc, which I know you're not thrilled about now. So, he's there. You also have...

Speaker 5:
[20:00] Tyler Algier.

Speaker 4:
[20:03] He is officially your guy.

Speaker 1:
[20:06] You also have James Conner for another year on the books. So, it's a very crowded running back game, running back room. But Marc, at the same time, that will be cleared up rather quickly. And I wouldn't say that that's a reason not to bring in a guy that could be an anchor on the team for a decade.

Speaker 3:
[20:25] I agree with Justin that this feels like an owner came and tapped someone on the shoulder type of pick. Because this sells tickets. Like, this sells jerseys. He's going to lead the league in jersey sales, probably, for a team that's trying to trade in Kyler Murray jerseys, okay?

Speaker 1:
[20:39] But I don't understand, Ceci. Like you were saying during your mock draft that this guy was electrifying, and the best player that you've seen, and you were studying your tapes. So, why don't we just give the Cardinals and Jason Zumwalt a little pat on the head for once? I never say that.

Speaker 3:
[20:54] That's what I'm saying, is I like the pick, and I know that people are pointing to, first of all, Tyler Elgir cannot get out of a position where he's not behind like a lifetime, essentially, like a premium running back. And I get that situation. But beyond that, and people are like all caught up in how much money they're spending on the running back room. Like, if this guy is the player that people think, which is the best player in the draft, the Arizona Cardinals, a team with zero identity, have an identity. And it's a building block. And I don't understand why we, why this is being frowned on. When, and sorry, but from a, Justin, from a Titans fan, who also, your thing was that the Cardinals are a couple years away from competing. So why get a running back now on a running back rookies contract? Like, what is different about the Titans?

Speaker 1:
[21:45] Yeah, well, cause the Cardinals are gonna get their quarterback next year. Right. So it's just reversing the timing of it. That's all it is, really.

Speaker 6:
[21:51] Okay, running backs have a short shelf life. Quarterbacks have the longest shelf life, arguably, of any position, maybe besides, like, kicker or punter. Running backs, by the time they get to their second contract, most of the time, their best football is behind them. Maybe he'll be a Saquon Barkley, Derek Henry exception. They're gonna be bad for his whole contract, pretty much.

Speaker 1:
[22:11] Justin, they're taking a quarterback next April, like a year from today.

Speaker 6:
[22:15] We'll see if that guy's any good.

Speaker 1:
[22:18] We're gonna see dog ears, Conor, we're gonna move on, but give us the last word on it.

Speaker 4:
[22:22] I think that you can hate the pick for the Cardinals, and I have a whole column up on si.com about how stupid the conversation about the finances around Jeremiyah Love have been, so just read that because it'll take me a whole podcast rant about the absolute stupidity of that conversation. But I think that you can hate the pick for the Cardinals just because I think their efforts to trade down were so transparent throughout this entire draft. First it was, oh, we're taking our Val Rees because maybe one of these teams, like the Cowboys or one of these other teams like him, and maybe they'll come up and get him. And then they pivoted to Love, and they were like, oh, we're gonna take Love, we're gonna take Love, and they never quite got that bait to get out of there. And I think that that's the difference. They wanted to move down the board, they just never found the opportunity, and I think they wanted to be one of those teams with those two first round picks, and then they just walk out of here with just a running back. That's not enough to get this team anywhere next year. So that's my kind of long and short.

Speaker 3:
[23:15] And not Ty Simpson, if they wanted him.

Speaker 4:
[23:18] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[23:18] But that, you know what?

Speaker 1:
[23:20] I know now Ty Simpson again is gonna be inflated and seen as like a top prospect. Maybe he is, I don't know. But just like I didn't want the Jets to take Ty Simpson, just hold the fort, have Jake Brisket, or Gardner Minchew.

Speaker 3:
[23:33] Yeah, but Jacoby Berset's like, I don't wanna play for you guys if you don't.

Speaker 1:
[23:36] I know, so who cares? Yeah, like go ahead, Jake, like go ahead.

Speaker 4:
[23:39] Jeremiyah Love might have to play quarterback, man.

Speaker 1:
[23:40] I don't know what your leverage is on this one buddy, but like if you're not gonna play, don't play. We have Minshew on the roster, he'll play. It's all just a holding pattern to take a top prospect next year. We'll see. If this guy's as good as everybody thinks, it's gonna be a great pick. All right, lock in everybody. The Titans do surprise, make us, all right, Justin, try to come back in now and give us some hard analysis, okay? All right, no coping, nothing, just straight up analysis. You have Arville Reese on the board, several big time defenders, but you don't get love. You decide to build around your quarterback, and you get the best wide receiver in Carnell Tate on the board out of Ohio State. How did you feel about that?

Speaker 6:
[24:35] I was absolutely floored. I thought they were gonna take Arville Reese because of Robert Salah. They don't have a legitimate edge rusher, unless you count Jermaine Johnson, who's on a one-year contract coming off, you know, two years now off of Torne Achilles. So I definitely thought they were gonna take the edge in Arville Reese. It says kind of a lot about what I think the league thinks of him, that he didn't go two or three or four, and that the Giants have already said they're gonna play him at inside linebacker. But to take Tate there, I am so thrilled that they made the move to help Cam Ward. My personal view of Carnell Tate, there's a lot of people who like him better than I do. I still had him as wide receiver one in this class, but I think that his ceiling is capped because he just doesn't break tackles or elude the tacklers in the open field. It's not that he's not fast or whatever. I know he ran a four, five, two or whatever it was, but like when you watch him run, he eats up space. If he catches a ball where there's nobody near him, he'll get yack, and the knock on him is he doesn't get yack. Like he'll pick up the yards when it's open field. He just doesn't break tackles. But huge hands, incredible catch radius, didn't drop a pass all season, 80% contested catch rate this past year. I mean, that's a literal 80-20 ball in 50-50 situations, statistically speaking. So I like a lot of that. I think he can be like a wide receiver one. I don't think he's ever going to be in that Jamar Chase tier because he just doesn't break tackles. That's a big part of being the wide receiver one.

Speaker 1:
[26:11] I mean, Jamar Chase, that's the Hall of Fame tier player.

Speaker 6:
[26:15] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[26:15] You could end up with a very good, very strong player on the roster.

Speaker 6:
[26:18] I think he's a really safe pick. I think his bust potential is super low because he beats press coverage. He's a true X receiver, which is harder to find. So I think it's a really good safe pick at a premium position to where if he does pan out, you are getting that big contract discount that you wouldn't have got if you drafted Jeremiyah Love.

Speaker 1:
[26:37] Carnell Tate now leads a wide receiver group that includes Calvin Ridley, Wondell Robinson, and Cam Ward will have. Nada star running back behind him. Tony Pollard though is there as well coming back. So an interesting core building there. Let's get through the rest of the top 10 here, and then we're going to take a break. Arvel Reiss does go number five to the Giants at Ohio State. Kansas City moves up from, what was it, nine to six, trading with Cleveland, and they get their cornerback that you knew they needed, Montserrat DeLane out of LSU, who replaces Trent McDuffie. The commanders use up all of the clock, which I know must have been annoying to you, Marc. Everybody knows you should take Sonny Styles. You need Sonny Styles. Take Sonny Styles. Just run up there and take him. No, they use the whole clock, but they take Sonny Styles, opening the door for the Saints to take the second wide receiver off the board, Jordan Tyson. Tough. I think it was Tyson. Shoot, I don't know if I want to... Who was the guy that when he was doing the walk down the tunnel, he had a big slobber bubble that came out of his mouth. It was a pretty tough beat there.

Speaker 3:
[27:53] I didn't catch that.

Speaker 1:
[27:54] Yeah, I'll look it up during the break. So Jordan Tyson, it could have been, but I don't want to say that. Wide receiver, Arizona State. Cleveland grabs a tackle, Spencer Fano. Is it Fano or Fano? Fano. I need to know it now. He's in the league, Fano. Tackle out of Utah. And then the Giants use their pick from Buffalo to take Francis, what is it?

Speaker 4:
[28:22] Maui Noah.

Speaker 1:
[28:24] Say it for me.

Speaker 4:
[28:25] Maui Noah.

Speaker 1:
[28:25] Maui Noah, the tackle out of Miami. Thoughts on those moves, Conor?

Speaker 4:
[28:31] I thought the Giants really sequenced the draft well, especially Maui Noah because there was the whole thing about the slipped disc. I didn't say the gross version of that.

Speaker 1:
[28:41] Close.

Speaker 4:
[28:42] It was close. They have a Luminor at right tackle who they really like, and so I think Maui Noah can play guard right away, and then that helps whatever situation you got at center, which is less than ideal. Great combo blocker, super violent guy, I think helps that ethos of that running game that they're trying to create. And then Reese is going to be interesting because like Justin said, you're going to play him at off ball linebacker. But then on third down, the Giants are now going to have Kavon Thibodeau, Brian Burns, Abdul Carter and Arvel Reese. And we said this last year and we were like, wow, how are you going to be able to stop them? I mean, if you can have any imagination when it comes to your simulated pressures and the way that you're doing things, the Giants should be elite at shutting teams down on passing downs this year. Again, we said that last year. I don't know if that's necessarily going to be the case, but I thought they came out of this draft as good as anybody. And again, fairway picks. Same with the Jets. The Giants needed talent and I really thought they did a good job.

Speaker 3:
[29:35] Well, I thought they were very, in a good way, like John Harbaugh type initial picks for the Giants. And I do wonder if that severely increases the chances that Kavon gets dealt tomorrow or soon, because it is like a heavily stocked position, unlike any other team. For me, the Jordan Tyson pick, because he was someone that bubbled up as an option for the Giants at number five. And the Saints, you got Chris Olave, but I like the idea of giving Tyler Shuck just more and more. I mean, why not do that? You kind of hit the jackpot if Tyler Shuck continues to proceed the way he did towards the end of last season. And Jordan Tyson with the injury history, like he's getting OBJ comps. And it's like this is the kind of guy that could have been the first receiver picked. The Saints were talked about as a team that might trade up for someone. They didn't, they got them right here. And I think for me, it's one of the players. I can't wait to see what happens with them in a real offense next season.

Speaker 1:
[30:36] All right, and that is the top 10. All right, let's take a break. And when we get back, we move to the middle of the draft.

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Speaker 1:
[32:11] All right, we are back. Let's get to it. Number 11, Dallas, the Cowboys. They move up.

Speaker 3:
[32:19] Dallas.

Speaker 1:
[32:21] They did it. Caleb Downs. This is one of those drafts where you just know it. You know it, you know it, you know it. They're just gonna pick all defensive players. And what do they do? They start with Caleb Downs, Safety, Ohio State. Really enjoyed this one. Here is Downs interviewed on the stage immediately after the pick.

Speaker 9:
[32:45] And just moments ago, you were on the phone with Jerry Jones. What did he tell you about the Cowboys' plans to use you?

Speaker 10:
[32:51] It was a great conversation. I honestly couldn't hear much. I was too excited to listen. So I'm just excited to do what I can do and be committed to the team.

Speaker 1:
[33:01] All right, I have good news. It's an ATN, excuse me, HTC exclusive. We have the Jerry Jones side of the phone call.

Speaker 3:
[33:11] Oh, yes.

Speaker 1:
[33:13] So let's listen in.

Speaker 5:
[33:14] Caleb, it's me, Jarrah. Jarrah Jones, the Dallas Cowboys. I think you know what this means. It means you are now officially part of the star. That's right. You are embedded in the star, son. You are a Dallas Cowboy. We're going to be picking you up right now. And I know, I know, I know, I know. What you're thinking? You're thinking, why am I so blessed that Jarrah would find me, find me out there in the deep dark night and pluck me up like a dusky old jewel that's been lost and forgotten? I'll tell you, I'll tell you right now. It's because of my keen ability to pick out talent, to find the right plier and to pluck him out of obscurity. That's right, you owe everything to me Caleb, never forget it. You there? Caleb? Can you hear me? Caleb? Hello?

Speaker 3:
[34:19] Obscurity.

Speaker 1:
[34:24] Did you know Conor, by the way Conor, did you have a chance to check out Marc's mock draft yet? Is that?

Speaker 3:
[34:30] Dallas.

Speaker 1:
[34:32] Is that you? I'm sure you got to.

Speaker 3:
[34:33] The episode itself, not just the printed easy to scan copy, but the entire.

Speaker 1:
[34:37] Right, the episode.

Speaker 3:
[34:38] The presentation.

Speaker 1:
[34:39] The big showdown.

Speaker 4:
[34:40] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[34:41] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[34:41] I'm going to reference it, but I want to make sure you. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[34:46] Yeah, totally. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[34:48] No, not yet.

Speaker 3:
[34:52] Well, it's like when you ask your wife, like, did you read my novel? Yeah, I'm going to get to it.

Speaker 1:
[34:59] Conor, my favorite moment of the Mark draft was when Lance challenged Mark to get inside info on Jordan Tyson, I believe it was, and reach out to your source of choice. And Lance, I think reached out to the players' agent, and Mark reached out to Jason Zumwalt.

Speaker 3:
[35:26] Who didn't write me back for like 12 minutes.

Speaker 1:
[35:31] Do you have his response again? It's worth resurfacing, Mark, if you have it. I should mention, I'm not making light of it, these are young men and it's a major moment. Jordan Tyson was so overcome with emotion on that long, unending walk from the staging area through the tunnel to the mirror to the stage that he dropped to one knee, got up, and then was just overcome and like blubbering. It was like kind of a tough beat, but you know, I don't wanna make light of it. Although I brought it up twice. Here is the text, did Jordan Tyson work out well today? Answer ASAP, Mark asks. Jason, I would assume so, but I have no idea.

Speaker 3:
[36:17] I normally don't, you know, give up the sources, Conor, as you would be proud of, but in this case, you know, no harm, no foul.

Speaker 1:
[36:24] Very good. I think a really good solid pick by the Cowboys who have so much work to do. Jerry showed his hand, of course, Mark, at the Arlington Speedway saying that defense was giving us a hole in the wall.

Speaker 3:
[36:39] And we're going to figure it out.

Speaker 1:
[36:41] So Downs falling to that spot. That's a major piece in the back end of their defense.

Speaker 3:
[36:46] Yeah, you've got another defensive coordinator who's in his first year in Christian Parker. And I thought this, I thought Caleb Downs would go to the Giants at five in my mock, Conor. That's what I had suggested. I wouldn't have hated it. Like I think he is the kind of guy that projects as a potential defensive player of the year. The Cowboys gave up 30 plus points in nine games. And you got it from someone different, like you didn't, you took away from your own type of division that would want a player like this. Like he's a total alpha. There was a 12% chance that he'd still be available here according to a mathematical system I cannot name at this point. I just heard that on television. No, it was like, it's a bit of a coup d'etat and it's kind of like, like the Cowboys are not, like they have done a nice job in their drafts in certain years. They have done a good job compared to where they were like eight, nine, 10 years ago. And this is a home run kind of pick for the Cowboys, I believe. Dallas.

Speaker 4:
[37:42] And it's weird too, because this draft, all this arguing about positional value and then Jeremiyah Love goes three, but then Caleb Downs falls to the Cowboys for essentially the same reasons that people were arguing that Jeremiyah Love didn't deserve to get taken to three. And if you talk to anyone who watches a lot of college football or some of the scouts and everyone during this process, Downs is like the one guy that everyone's pointing to and being like, he's probably the Hall of Famer out of this class. If you had to have a betting favorite to wear a gold jacket one day, it's that guy. And so it's a huge swing for Jerry Jones, but it's like, this is like a Ravens pick. Like these good players don't normally just fall to teams like that. And I know Dallas had to trade up to get him. But this, I mean, you know, they do well in that department.

Speaker 1:
[38:29] I was going to say, like, their big swings at the top of drafts, I feel like they have a higher hit rate of finding superstars than other teams. I mean, building out a complete roster that contends for a Super Bowl, that's been more elusive for them. But Jera knows how to find a star. We can give him that. Up next, Miami. I should note that the Dallas and Miami swapped picks here, so Miami picked after Dallas. Yes, Justin.

Speaker 6:
[38:58] Sorry, before we move on, I wanted to just point something out that I thought was funny.

Speaker 1:
[39:02] Are you wearing a Warren Moon jersey right now?

Speaker 6:
[39:05] Is that what it looks like? No, I'm wearing a Cam Ward new Titans jersey.

Speaker 1:
[39:10] It certainly looks like a number one Houston Oilers jersey, but yes, go ahead.

Speaker 6:
[39:15] So this is Jerry Jones at his Post Draft Press Conference. This is a real photo. And in Jerry Jones' left hand, that is a real cocktail.

Speaker 4:
[39:25] I mean, well, why not?

Speaker 3:
[39:27] You pulled off a stunning move.

Speaker 1:
[39:31] Anything that we showcase when it's Jerry Jones is really not removed from reality on any level, from our perspective, having covered the man for a decade and a half.

Speaker 6:
[39:44] I just wanted our audience to know.

Speaker 1:
[39:46] Yeah, there's a little evidence.

Speaker 6:
[39:47] That comes from a real place. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[39:49] We have receipts that Jerry Jones drinks heavily.

Speaker 3:
[39:53] I like what Justin did. Justin replaced me for a minute there and put me in the little circle.

Speaker 6:
[39:59] I don't know how that happened.

Speaker 3:
[39:59] Little tiny person circle. And then he was in my big screen here on the...

Speaker 1:
[40:04] You just put him in the lawn shredder though, calling him out.

Speaker 8:
[40:07] Well, yeah, fair.

Speaker 1:
[40:11] All right, here we go. So Miami takes Caden Proctor, offensive tackle. Miami has so many things, so much work to do. You can just throw a dart. They go for offensive line. They take Proctor. The Rams then, as we talk about, they take Ty Simpson, which really shakes things up. And now I'm thinking, I'm thinking as a Jets fan, okay, I really want Mackay Lemon. So like, okay, they didn't take a wide receiver. They took a quarterback. So that's looking good because they up next, Vega.

Speaker 4:
[40:39] Ione, I believe.

Speaker 1:
[40:40] Ione, the guard at a Penn State, the Raven State. Kim, that was a huge need for Baltimore to get better on their interior, be a better running team in 2026, better protect Lamar Jackson. Tampa Bay makes a very smart move. They get Ruben Bain, the edge out of Miami. In some mocks, he was going to the top 10. So grabbing him, Conor, at 15, that's a big value add for a defense in transition coming off a very disappointing season.

Speaker 4:
[41:06] Super Jason Lightpick from Tampa. Last year, he did the thing with Ibuka where receiver wasn't a pressing need for Tampa. But the fact that he made it there to that point just made sense. Ruben Bain is interesting. It's a super short arm conversation. It's like Will Campbell on steroids. There's not really a historical comp for a player that size succeeding at the position. But I will say this, if you just throw on Ruben Bain tape and no one tells you that his arms are short, you're like, holy crap, this is like one of the three or four best players in the draft. He's just completely tenacious. He's ruthless. And I think that Todd Bowles could certainly use him in that defense.

Speaker 1:
[41:45] He becomes the first defensive end with sub 31 inch arms to be drafted in the first round since at least 1999. I'm going to have my wife, I'm working on a closet project upstairs, installing some new structure to it. And I want to see how long my arm is. So Marc, go ahead with your insight while I find a ruler.

Speaker 3:
[42:14] Yeah, I want to get an answer to that pressing question, but I was just going to say, you called the Downs pick by the Cowboys a Ravens pick, but I think the Vega pick by the Ravens is also a total Ravens pick. He is Daniel Jeremiyah's number one lineman, and it led me to go, and again, it's like we are just trying to bathe in some of these players where we can, but he's from Penn State, he's a big boy. And there is tape of him, he's the kind of dude that just bullies a guy and presses him downfield, like not seven yards, not eight, but 12 or 13, and the play is still happening. And like, he's a punisher. It felt like a really good needed pick by the Ravens, but they got good value too.

Speaker 4:
[42:59] He was my favorite offensive lineman in the draft. I thought the Giants were going to take him at 10, but I think the reason they went Mao and Noah is because they get that dual position versatility. But the Ravens, I mean, they lost so much in the interior of their offensive line that I think Vega just made a lot of sense for them. It's going to be a different offensive line, but Declan Doyle coming from that Ben Johnson tree, you have to run the ball. I mean, and I know that they've always kind of been part of the Ravens ethos, but play action, any of the trick stuff, the designer play calls, they just don't work without a running game. And so I think Vega was just a must have for them.

Speaker 1:
[43:33] All right, we move forward now. So now you have the Jets on the clock at 16. I was hoping Maki Lemon would come off the board, the wide receiver out of USC. Whenever I hear things like, man, he's got a lot of Amon Ross St. Brown traits. Or Daniel Jeremiah is like, yeah, this guy's got Julian Edelman written all over him. It's like, give me that guy, give me that guy. But the Jets go and they take a tight end, the first tight end off the board, which Jets fans out there know that we've been passing on elite all pro level tight ends for two or three years in a row now, right before they come off the board. This year they decide to do it. And it is a player that Daniel Jeremiah comped as Dustin Keller, which like, here's the thing. Yeah, I love Dustin. Dustin Keller was a really good tight end.

Speaker 4:
[44:20] He's an excellent Jets player, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[44:22] A great Jets player during their great years with Rex Ryan and I think Mangini before him. And then he blew out his knee terribly in his first game as a Dolphin and his career was over. But a very athletic playmaking tight end, maybe a little undersized. So I was left a little bit not sure about the pick. I also used the second round pick on Mason Taylor, another tight end at 42 last year. So again, to your point, Marc, if the Rams do this pick, it's like, oh, perfect for two tight end sets. The Jets do it. Nice try with your rebuild and all your tight ends. I'm willing to see how it plays out.

Speaker 3:
[44:59] I think Conor and I like this pick more than you do.

Speaker 4:
[45:02] I totally agree. And I think we talk about, and I think we need to stop talking about the 2027 quarterback class because as one person reminded me recently, that was supposed to be the 2026 draft class, right? And we don't know how many of these guys are going to end up making it there. And we don't know if the Jets are going to be in an earshot of Arch Manning. And, you know, there's so much unknown. But we'd like to think that the Jets are drafting a quarterback next year. And when they do, if you're able to play in 12 personnel, it just helps so much more. And so I think this is a smart, forward thinking move for the organization, because if you get these guys to be able to play together and who knows if Frank makes their offensive coordinator next year, that's not going to matter. You're going to be able to protect your quarterback better. You're going to give more intermediate targets. I just think, and they weren't set up to do that before. So it's a necessity in this modern NFL to have two quality starting caliber tight ends. You need it.

Speaker 3:
[45:55] I totally, I think this was the second act for the Jets of a very interesting first round. I don't know if I saw him mock to the Jets in anything I looked at. I love it. And I get that Frank Reich is probably not long for the organization, but where they are a year from now, and sometimes tight ends take, it's year two or year three where they really explode. Like I love the idea of having two guys like this. And he's one of the more interesting offensive weaponry type assets in the league, like in terms of the drafted players in this first round. So from a Jets angle, I like it. He might be a fan favorite a year from now.

Speaker 1:
[46:31] They've struggled with the tight end position also in drafts in prominent places. So it's a little bit of, there's some trauma there as well. Johnny Mitchell, Kyle Brady, the list goes on and on. But yeah, they're building some playmakers around first, Gino Smith and afterwards someone else. We'll get back to the Jets because they have one more pick coming up in this draft as we alluded to earlier. Okay, up next, the Lions draft to tackle, Blake Miller, a trench move for the Lions there. Minnesota, this was a little bit of a surprise. They take defensive tackle Caleb Banks out of Florida. That was one of those ones I was watching the NFL Network coverage because I don't know if there's gonna be another NFL Network draft night. And I think they've always done a great job with it, with Rich Lead in the Way and Danny Dribbles as well. And Dribbles had said that he had Banks as like his number 51 player on the board. And there was also that safety that went off the board later.

Speaker 4:
[47:41] Dillon Thieneman.

Speaker 1:
[47:42] Yes, that a lot of people saw was going to be the successor to Harrison Smith. But they go with the DT. Thoughts on that one, boys?

Speaker 4:
[47:51] So a lot of injury risk with him. And but it's one of those things where it's such a high upside pick. And I think it's indicative of the fact. And I'd be curious what Arif thinks about this. But you're kind of you're driving without a true general manager, right? You're hiring a general manager after this process. And I think what happens in a lot of those situations when you don't have someone who's in charge of quality control in the room, you end up getting the coach standing on a table for a guy and probably leading everybody in one direction. And if you watch this guy, I mean, he's phenomenal. I mean, he's probably the one defensive tackle in this class that can bust up field and can really wreck stuff. But it's just like, is he going to be able to do it? Is he going to be able to stay healthy? Is he in the right frame of mind? Is he a Brian Flores player? You don't know any of those questions, but it's also hard to kind of quality control that when you don't actually have a general manager like an operating general manager. So I think that's what happens in these.

Speaker 1:
[48:50] They alluded to that too. Sometimes you gotta read between the lines with the analysis and you heard commentary along the lines of, you know, with no GM, the coaches have a bigger voice and it's sometimes just falling in love with a guy at his pro day or whatever it was and that will carry the day. So that could explain it as well.

Speaker 3:
[49:11] I would say quick on Blake Miller for the Lions. To talk about a Lion's EPIC, he's 6'7, he's 317 pounds, they absolutely needed to keep the identity of their offensive line growing and changing. He started 54 games at Clemson, he's an Ironman and was a wrestler too. It just feels like it fits for Detroit. I think there were probably a couple of linemen they liked, but some people, it feels like with every lineman, someone thought they were the best tackle in the draft. His name was named that a couple times too. We'll see, but it fits for Detroit.

Speaker 1:
[49:44] Alright, let's move on. You have, let's see, Carolina takes Monroe Freeling, the tackle out of Georgia, and then the Eagles, as we said, they move up in a trade with Dallas, and they take McKay Lemon, the wide receiver out of USC. I will also say here that didn't make me feel great in the moment, because again, I thought Lemon was the guy the Jets were gonna take at 16, and then when Howie makes a move to get Lemon, I'm like, shit, when Howie does that, it probably means he's a good player, but I'll say this, and this might sound like Justin talking about Jeremiyah Love and the Cardinals. Howie doesn't always have a great eye for the wide receiver position, so maybe, not that I'm hoping he doesn't become a great pro, maybe I'm a little bit, but yeah. But when I saw Howie move up and go get Lemon, I did get a little bit nervous, I gotta be real.

Speaker 4:
[50:42] We were talking about this before, but so you're planning on losing AJ Brown, and you're losing a lot of physicality from your wide receiver position and a guy that helps Saquon Barkley more than anyone. But what's interesting about Mackay Lemon is, he's like 5'11, but it has that Chihuahua tenacity, where he's going to go after someone, and while he looks nothing like AJ Brown, I think he can affect a play in a similar way because he's fearless. He's just going to go after someone and take their heads off. And the Eagles are planning for a post-Jalen Hurts era. I mean, let's be real on this. This is, they have a hard time hiring offensive coordinators for Jalen Hurts. The playbook is limited. And so what you're trying to do right now is you're trying to build the framework of a team that's going to exist beyond whenever Jalen Hurts, whenever they're going to get rid of them. And so I thought Lemon was a good pick. I mean, it's a great attitude pick. It's going to be different than AJ Brown complaining about not getting the ball every six seconds. And so I think there was a lot of thought that went into that whole thing.

Speaker 3:
[51:41] And it's, I wonder how much of a voice Sean Mannion has inside the building, because he's a new offensive play caller, but he's getting talked up by the players a lot. It's a shift to what they've been saying, that Devonta Smith, they see as an absolute number one. And this is the guy that's getting Amanrassain Brown comps, Dan. So it's like, I see why you would see him on the Jets or anywhere else, but I thought he was going to go to the Rams way up the board. So I don't know how to look at it other than the Eagles kind of maybe did it again as they do every year.

Speaker 1:
[52:14] We'll see. There's some bad wide receivers that have come to that building too. That's all.

Speaker 3:
[52:19] We also just talked about Devonta Smith. So there's some good ones.

Speaker 4:
[52:21] What is it? Arceega Whiteside?

Speaker 1:
[52:25] There's been quite a few through the years that didn't pan out, but yeah. And it does yet another breadcrumb that AJ Brown obviously has played his last down with the Eagles. All right. We're going to take one more break for the audio audience. If you are watching on the live stream, stay right there. Actually, when we get back, we're going to check in on the live stream. Stay right there.

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Speaker 1:
[53:23] All right. We are back. Let's check in. What's going on? What's happening? Justin, do we have any comments that we want to fly up that jump out to you or have you ever seen? And we got a nice group here. We got over almost 1300 people in the chat right now. That is pretty damn good. Shout out to all the Heeders. Also, Marc, we had our Patreon exclusive Q&A. That also went off like gangbusters on Wednesday. So we love you guys. So thank you very much. What do we got, Justin?

Speaker 6:
[53:56] We got a bunch of super chats. I think we should shout out for their generosity supporting the show, independent podcasts.

Speaker 1:
[54:03] Oh yeah, Hisdale. Just subscribe to the Patreon to get more quality content for Dan, Justin, Conor, all the guys. I know you like that one, Marc. Kyle Suddeth, put your bets in now that the Rams missed the playoff just in case Stafford retires. Retires? I don't think he's retiring. No, you want to say he might get hurt?

Speaker 3:
[54:22] Lot going on there.

Speaker 1:
[54:23] Okay. Tim Wallman, I can't wait for my, he's got a Chiefs avatar. I can't wait for my team's success to be inversely proportional to my overreaction to the draft. That tends to be what happens. What else we got? Angry Est, a long timeless. Or somehow Marc got the bills not having a first round pick correct, even when by the time his mock came out, the player being sent was already a bangle. All right, so a little teaser, because at the end of the show, we're going to check in on your mock draft.

Speaker 3:
[54:53] That's how I work, that's my method.

Speaker 1:
[54:56] If this is any indication, it was another big hit. What else we got out there, Justin? Okay, CJ, our buddy, NFC East superiority on full display in draft night, bring back the 90s, let's go, Oasis Tours and Cowboys Championships. All right, I mean, sure. I mean, Oasis already had their comeback. They kind of won their Super Bowl last year. I don't know if the Cowboys are that close, but you never know.

Speaker 3:
[55:21] Let's have multiple Iraq Wars while we're at it. The 90s, it's so exciting. 9-11, baby. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[55:27] Marc keeps it in perspective. The 90s, what you remember. It is funny that the 90s are now viewed, and like again, today is my birthday, by the way. So as a man that's right on the edge, right there between Millennial and Gen X, I remember when the 50s were viewed as this like Narnia and nothing bad ever happened in the entire decade. And that's how it was told, like this innocence before JFK and all the chaos of the 60s. Now that's how people talk about the 90s.

Speaker 3:
[56:01] Yeah. Right.

Speaker 1:
[56:02] And it's just like...

Speaker 3:
[56:02] It's equidistant to that time.

Speaker 1:
[56:05] Like I lived through the 90s as we all did. There's a lot of crazy stuff that happened in the 90s that wasn't pleasant, but now it's looked upon as like the last great era of society. Like we were all like in silver suits, like floating on disks around with no war or famine. You know, like it wasn't quite like that. I remember like, I don't know, riots and OJ Simpson and Columbine and Monica Lewinsky. Like it was a lot of crazy stuff going on in the 90s. You like the guys with the red sneakers, Marc?

Speaker 3:
[56:38] Oh, well, that whole Heaven's Gate compound scenario in Rancho Santa Fe, like near the ocean.

Speaker 1:
[56:44] Yeah, you had Heaven's Gate, Marc. You had the siege at Waco.

Speaker 3:
[56:48] I mean, I like some of it. I like the drama of some of it.

Speaker 1:
[56:51] Are you like you had the first World Trade Center attack? I mean, 9-Eleven, baby.

Speaker 3:
[56:56] Waco, Waco, a little bit of Janet Reno, got her pants on fire. We got to see what's going on with her. But by the way, like like happy birthday. I feel like we all look terrible because I think we discussed behind the scenes.

Speaker 1:
[57:09] I didn't mean to Trojan Horse, like getting my birthday notice today, but it did happen.

Speaker 3:
[57:14] Well, look, Justin played this song for you and recorded it. So take a look.

Speaker 1:
[57:18] I was putting in shelving. I went to Home Depot this morning, put in some shelving. That project continues. Played golf, watched the Yankees beat the Red Sox again, watched the Knicks get their hearts ripped out. Nah, unbalanced. It was a good like that's life. There's goods, there's good and there's bad. It's like the 90s back then.

Speaker 3:
[57:37] Kind of like this draft, right? It was a little bit of a meat and potatoes.

Speaker 1:
[57:40] Yeah. Did you see by the way, the Eagles war room? That's what I call it. It's what we called it in the 90s when things were perfect. The war room, there's a, you had the, you had Howie and then you had Sirianni and you had Luria. And then right behind him is Big Dom in all black.

Speaker 5:
[58:01] Dominic Di Sandro, Big Dom. And he's sort of a legend.

Speaker 1:
[58:06] Like what is, what is his role in the war room? Like if there's ever been, if we've ever needed more evidence that this guy has a bigger love affair with a camera than Kate Moss in the 90s callback, there it is. Get out of the war room Dom. Don't you have some like sandwiches to make or some parking, you know, move some cars? I don't know. Whatever it is that Big Dom does actually.

Speaker 3:
[58:34] I'm going to think that he cradles Howie Roseman the way that you would, like swaddles Howie Roseman in between picks and just operates like a large carrying Eagles representative.

Speaker 4:
[58:48] In fairness to Dom, and I'm going to get on that guy's side when he watches this podcast so that you guys get evaporated off the face of the earth, but he is the head of security, right? And so you had some guys.

Speaker 1:
[58:59] So put them in front of the front door.

Speaker 3:
[59:01] Isn't he also the assistant to the general manager as well?

Speaker 4:
[59:04] Not like security, like I'm going to bust in and attack Howie Roseman, like security, like what can you find on Ruben Baines' car accident security? And so I do think that there is a value, an inherent value in looking over and being like, Hey, Baines still on the board. How bad is this thing? And just having him there remind everybody of that. I also just feel more comfortable having him around, generally. So.

Speaker 3:
[59:28] Conor's got an Eagles feature coming out next week. Take a look out for that.

Speaker 1:
[59:33] All right, Marc, do me a favor. The offensive tackle that all those brave, sturdy people of Pittsburgh waited hours to have his name announced. And that name was?

Speaker 3:
[59:43] Max Iannachor.

Speaker 1:
[59:45] That guy, that guy studied in double digit hours for his mock draft. Good job, Marc. I'm assuming you're right.

Speaker 3:
[59:52] I think I got close.

Speaker 1:
[59:53] The tackle from Arizona State. We'll get back to some more of the audience feedback later in the show, Justin. So they grab a tackle there as they wait to find out if their 43-year-old quarterback is coming back. The chargers, they get edge help. They get Akeem Mesadour out of Miami. And then the Dallas pick is there on the clock. And they go and they take more defense as we expected. Malachi Lawrence, the edge at a UCF. So there you go, Conor. No surprise for Dallas with two picks in the first round. They attack their issues on defense. So they get a big time player in the back end. And then a guy that can go get the quarterback with their second pick of the round in Lawrence.

Speaker 4:
[60:41] You know that scene in Toy Story where Buzz Lightyear thinks he can fly and doesn't know that he can't yet. And then he jumps off of the dresser and then goes through the whole loop-de-loop on the Hot Wheels track and then lands. And everyone's like, holy crap, he did it. That's eventually what Jerry Jones is gonna look like post Michael Parsons' trade. He jumped off the ledge and everyone's like, oh my God, is he gonna die? What's gonna happen here? And then if Malachi Lawrence ends up being good and Caleb Downs is gonna be phenomenal, he's gonna land having not really given up a whole bunch and getting a lot of good players in return. And this team might actually, I'm gonna pick them to go to the playoffs next year. It's insane.

Speaker 3:
[61:23] This was the player I thought the Niners would have fit in the Niners defense. And I wrote after watching him like, there is something violent and otherworldly about him. I cannot wait to see what he does. And I think the Dallas, I forget the winners and losers, we don't know, but like, where we are right now, like they didn't, it was a deaf performance by Jerry Jones. Cocktail or not.

Speaker 1:
[61:47] I mean, maybe because of the cocktail.

Speaker 3:
[61:49] Well, we don't know.

Speaker 1:
[61:50] It's like that thing when you play, like if I'm playing certain sports, but I'll use cornhole since that's something that has a close bond to the history of this show. Like if you had, if you're two Tito's in, you could not be playing better on the boards, right? You're better with two Tito's in your system than zero. But once you hit over four Tito's, you get worse. So maybe Jera did a nice job and was just in the one to four, one to three cocktail range in the first round. Now how that plays out in the Saturday's a long day. I mean, Friday's a long day, two rounds. Saturday's even longer. The draft could fall apart. Maybe I've just actually cracked this. Why does Dallas, why have not, they have not been to the NFC title game in a quarter century when their drafts are always great, typically up top. It's because he's in the back end. He's lost the focus. It's, he's a bad cornhole player in the back end.

Speaker 3:
[62:47] I don't know what to add to that. I think you nailed that precisely. It's, he probably feels a little seen.

Speaker 1:
[62:54] Thank you. All right. Up next. Oh baby. Cleveland is on the clock and they have added another piece to their offense. This is the trade from Jacksonville. KC Concepcion, the wide receiver out of A&M. And Marc, I know you like this pick by your Brownies.

Speaker 3:
[63:11] I really do. I think that there, it was telecast from the start. They're going to go offensive lineman, wide receiver, and some version either early, late, late early. And they did that. And Concepcion is like, he's total speed. He's a little undersized. But I think like for Todd Monk, and you're giving him someone right away to antidote, what is, I think, the second worst wide receiver league, or room in the league outside of the Dolphins, maybe. He can return puns as well. He's just a freaky athlete. Like he's had some drops issues from what I've read, but like Cleveland needs anyone that can make a play. And I don't know who the quarterback is on this team or how they're going to make it work. But I'm glad they went wide receiver.

Speaker 4:
[63:52] Speaking of the Jaguars, by the way, did anyone notice the whole like very sneaky, right before the first round started, like Gladstone maybe leaking that Brian Thomas was available for like a late round, first round pick? Like I just knew that he couldn't pass up the possibility of having like a Costner moment in this draft and just sneaking in somehow and somehow getting a first round pick out of it. He was close, I guess, I don't know, but no one took the bait for it.

Speaker 1:
[64:18] Coming up on the first anniversary, by the way, of the speech.

Speaker 4:
[64:24] And football has changed, right? Totally different since Travis Hunter started playing, you know?

Speaker 1:
[64:28] Yeah, it seems similar to me, the sport. I don't I don't sense that it is completely transformed yet. But in Gladstone's defense. He didn't necessarily put a timetable on it, you know.

Speaker 4:
[64:48] It may change football forever because then we'll definitely know not to draft a player and to play both ways. I think that that will be the like that's how it will have changed.

Speaker 3:
[64:58] Right. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[64:59] To never use it.

Speaker 3:
[65:00] It could cement our apathy.

Speaker 1:
[65:24] Thank you. I just hope there's a speech this year, but we got to do a little bit. We got to have some sex appeal here.

Speaker 3:
[65:35] I'm going to play that in my house tomorrow, what you just uttered. That was fantastic.

Speaker 1:
[65:41] The Chicago Bears, they get the white safety that everybody just assumed that the Vikings would take to replace Harrison Smith. Dillon Thieneman out of Oregon. I had a Thieneman issue. Am I saying his name right? I had an issue with him because he was in the stunner shades the entire time. And I don't know. I was just like, he kind of looked like a bully from like Encino Man or something. It just seemed there was like a like a felt a bit like a bit of a retro bully like Billy Zapka type character going on. But then he did something that I thought was really interesting that completely turned my feelings on him. He leaves the lobby after getting picked, the waiting area goes through the tunnel. And then when he gets to the mirror thing with the hat, he takes the sunglasses off. And what's under there? Vulnerable baby blues. And it's like he was a totally different person. And then you had, I'm sorry, who the journalist who interviewed?

Speaker 3:
[66:48] Laura Rutledge?

Speaker 1:
[66:49] Laura Rutledge, of course. Rutledge in a big spot interviews him. And he's just, you know, very soft spoken and articulate. And I was like, this man has changed my entire feeling on him in literally 65 seconds.

Speaker 3:
[67:05] He quietly morphed into a young Walt Whitman before your eyes.

Speaker 1:
[67:09] Hashtag analysis. Dan, what's in Cino Man? And Cino Man is a 1992 comedy starring Pauly Shore, Sean Astin and Brandon Frazier.

Speaker 3:
[67:24] Starring is strong.

Speaker 1:
[67:26] And which great movie in which they're living in in Cino, California, a suburb of Los Angeles, and they find a hot caveman played by Brendan Frazier in their backyard. They de-thaw him. They, this is the real plot. They de-thaw him in the garage. And then they give him the fashion makeover, hot caveman. And they give him a name, Linkovich Chmalsky, I believe it was. And they use this guy's caveman Riz to turn them popular and get them to like the top of the social class of their high school. Incredible work by Shor with Aston and...

Speaker 3:
[68:15] Naturally.

Speaker 1:
[68:17] Before there was The Whale, Academy Award-winning The Whale comes second to this. Brendan Fraser was Hot Caveman in Encino Man.

Speaker 3:
[68:24] Wait, they found him what, just slightly below the ground in California? A caveman?

Speaker 1:
[68:29] Sean Aston's character and Paulie Shor's character were digging a pool, digging a hole to have a pool so they could, after prom, have a pool party so they can get popular. And they came upon Brendan Fraser in the ice.

Speaker 3:
[68:46] Hold on, I mean, not to belabor it, but he's dead or he's a lot, like he's dead?

Speaker 1:
[68:50] He was frozen. He was on ice and then he somehow survived. And then they dressed him in cool 90s clothes and he was the most popular kid in school. Okay. Of course he gets found out at the prom.

Speaker 3:
[69:04] Right, in the back too.

Speaker 1:
[69:06] And the bully's like, do you really want to know what he is? He's a caveman. And then the whole high school goes, yeah, they love that he's a caveman. The 90s man, you had to be there. All right, let's see. Back to work. All right, Mark's happy. Okay, let's see, the Texans from Buffalo, Buffalo trades out multiple times here?

Speaker 2:
[69:36] Did they move back multiple times?

Speaker 3:
[69:37] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[69:38] Out of the round. Three times?

Speaker 3:
[69:41] Yeah. Yeah, to the, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[69:42] Unbelievable. Buffalo, so Houston takes Kielan Rutledge, the guard out of Georgia Tech. Miami then goes, and a lot of people thought, okay, now Miami's gonna address Mark, their wide receiver room, which is woeful. But no, they take Chris Johnson, the corner out of San Diego State, and then the Patriots make an interesting move when you look at the way their offensive line is set up and how they invested, obviously, in a left tackle at the top of last year's draft. Caleb Lomu, Lomu, the tackle out of Utah goes off the board at 28.

Speaker 3:
[70:19] I don't hate the Chris Johnson pick for Miami. Some had him as the second corner. I mean, Jeff Halfley, you're starting with nothing. You need every position. So wide receiver would have worked. Cornerback, they're secondary as bears can be. So from what you read, like this guy can play in any scheme, he can kind of do it all. So hopefully solid pick for the Dolphins.

Speaker 4:
[70:40] I think a good read too. Like what Miami has done so far has been pretty sound. I mean, we'll see what happens with Proctor and that's gonna be a tough coaching job for Halfley because we're not necessarily sure if he's gonna reach that talent ceiling, but he's gotta get the most out of him. That's why you hire that guy as a head coach. But I think to recognize the drop off at receiver before, and maybe it was right around the time that the Browns took KC, is that I think that there's a half decent class that's gonna go right at the beginning of tomorrow and that there's a couple of good guys left there. And so maybe that's where Miami starts to make a run on the offensive weapon side of the ball. I just think that the value and the timing of the picks just didn't seem to line up for them.

Speaker 1:
[71:23] Yeah, and I think if you're the Dolphins, you're okay with that. Again, you're taking best player available. You have so many needs. Rome's not gonna be built in a day and neither is Miami. Let's see, the Chiefs grab a DT, Peter Woods at a Clemson at 29. Pick from the Rams, tied to their big trade. The Jets then, Jets were on the clock at 33. First pick of the second round. They move up. I didn't get the exact specifics of that trade, actually. Obviously, they gave up the first pick of the second round. I don't know what else they gave up, if somebody can get that. But the Jets, this is when it gets funky. NYG from SF via MIA through DEN.

Speaker 3:
[72:11] That's a lot. Yeah, it was the Jalen Waddell trade initially. The Dolphins, Broncos won. Then it went to the Niners, then the Jets.

Speaker 1:
[72:19] And they get Omar Cooper out of Indiana, who was the dog in Mendoza's offense last year. And I'll tell you what, like, yeah, and whatever. Have your fun in the chat. I don't care. This is okay. It's okay to come out of a draft with three first round picks and know that you added to three major areas, or really I'll say two areas, which is your defense gets a potential prolific pass rusher that can make the whole defense a lot better. And then your offense adds two potential big time playmakers, a tight end and wide receiver. You have Garrett Wilson there. You obviously have Breeze Hall still there, an offensive line that is pretty solid in its foundation. And I'm not saying that I'm certain now that I'm going to win my Geno Smith wager against you guys. I'm not saying I'm certain, but I'm increasingly confident that Geno Smith is going to be much closer to the quarterback who was in Seattle than the one we saw at the Raiders.

Speaker 3:
[73:18] He is a winner today in the sense that one could assume that he's there for one year and then he's either a backup or he's out of the picture because their quarterback is to come. But he got two players that will help him a lot. Like this is the guy that I mocked to the Browns. I kind of, I had to see some people saying he's sort of a middle of America rough boy. He's the dude that had that awesome catch from Mendoza in the end zone for Indiana. Like they were two peas in a pod. He gets a little bit of a Debo Samuel comp from some. So it's another really interesting Jets player and they've lacked that for a while.

Speaker 4:
[73:52] Another kind of fluff here for Dan is that if you look at the economics of it, right? Omar Cooper is in the middle of this pretty decent run of wide receivers where you had Lemon and you had Concepcion and then you had Cooper. But Sadiq was by far the best tight end, right? And so you've got by far the best tight end and you're taking him when the drop off is severe versus not reaching for a wide receiver and then coming back in, getting the fifth year option on him in the first round. And maybe Cooper and like, again, all these guys that were taken in the 20s, maybe there's not that much of a difference between them. So I thought that showed a decent amount of board work by Muji there. That was a nice job. You know what?

Speaker 1:
[74:32] In Muji we trust. See what happens. See what happens. Let's close out the first round. Tennessee Titans back on the clock. They trade in for another pick and they grab Keldrick Falk, the edge out of Auburn. And then the Super Bowl champion, Seattle Seahawks take Judarian Price. Oh, they took Price. Okay. I missed that because we were just starting. Isn't it funny when things do kind of work out exactly how people talked about? The idea that Price, the running back out of Notre Dame, the backup to Jeremiah Love, it is both fighting Irish running backs, Conor, that come off the board. And it fills obviously a need for Seattle. So that could be, that could really work out for them. And he enters obviously a great situation there.

Speaker 4:
[75:19] Great situation there. Brian Fleury coming over as the offensive coordinator from the 49ers. They're gonna run that Shanahan offense, a lot of downhill opportunities. And you're in a carry share with Charbonne. So you don't have to be the guy right away and you can evolve into that. And it makes losing Kenneth Walker seem like a lot more of a smart financial decision for the Seahawks.

Speaker 3:
[75:38] I do think like every one of these, not every branch from the tree is equal. And you can keep giving us Shanahan type play callers, but it is an unknown if this works because Shanahan's talent is in the middle of a game. He gets into sort of a drunken flow almost in a nice way and like bangs, they've got a 14 play drive that took up 12 minutes and went 90. But we don't know that every one of these guys can do that. So Kubiak could, but that's sort of a Sam Darnold X Factor hanging out there with the rest of them.

Speaker 1:
[76:09] Sam, you mean the Super Bowl champion quarterback, Sam Darnold?

Speaker 3:
[76:13] You can't take the past away from him.

Speaker 1:
[76:15] It happened.

Speaker 3:
[76:16] He's been crowned.

Speaker 1:
[76:17] It happened. Don't you ever forget it. Any of you. And that's the first round. Round two and round three, of course, will be held tomorrow, Friday. We'll be back Saturday when we will do a full recap of the draft and share all of our big takeaways. All right. Let's now check in with the Marc Sessler, Marc Draft. How did Marc do this year? Okay. See some green? I see a lot of red right off the bat. You hit Mendoza and Bailey. Then you went cold for four picks. Then you hit Sonny Styles to the commanders. So there's three. Give me some dings, Justin. Give me some dings. Okay. Then you missed on Ruben Bane to the Saints, but then you nailed Fano, I'll get that. Don't worry. I'll get that by training camp.

Speaker 3:
[77:07] He went to the Browns.

Speaker 4:
[77:09] Are you giving him credit for pick slot?

Speaker 1:
[77:11] Wait, do we not have it right here?

Speaker 6:
[77:13] Oh shit.

Speaker 4:
[77:15] Oh, Justin.

Speaker 3:
[77:16] I mean, I think it's a nice, and I'm willing to take it, but it's sort of been an extra egg in the face that like we are taking that off the board. Is any of this correct? Yes, the rest are correct.

Speaker 6:
[77:27] The rest is correct.

Speaker 1:
[77:29] All right, so you got Mendoza, Bailey, Stiles, and then we went into a deep, deep cold stretch, but then you closed strong. You hit your Darien Price to the Seahawks. So I count one, two, three, four.

Speaker 3:
[77:44] It's a total disaster. We're gonna go back. Our entire program is going to circle the wagons and take a look at how we do this and think deeply.

Speaker 1:
[77:52] All right, the number's low, but sometimes you could win ugly. Give me some drum roll here, a little timpani, Justin. Let's, because we're going to ask the question that I know a lot of people want to know. So you finished with four.

Speaker 3:
[78:08] Well, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[78:09] Is that right?

Speaker 3:
[78:10] Yes.

Speaker 6:
[78:10] Yes. There it is.

Speaker 1:
[78:11] All right, okay, we have four for Marc, out of 32. And now, Lance Zierlein got how many out of 32? Justin.

Speaker 6:
[78:29] Nine.

Speaker 2:
[78:30] Oh, wow.

Speaker 6:
[78:32] Out of 160 mock draft competitor participants in the Huddle Report's annual grading competition, Lance Zierlein finished second out of 160. I mean, nine is phenomenal. Well, nine correct team player pairs.

Speaker 3:
[78:48] Total congratulations to Lance.

Speaker 1:
[78:51] Mamma Mica has it right. The curse of the DMV waiting room.

Speaker 6:
[78:55] Wow.

Speaker 1:
[78:56] But you know what, Marc? OK, he won. And I think, let's face it, he needed it more than you did. And I think it just sets up an all time grudge match in 27.

Speaker 3:
[79:10] I think I took the exercise too seriously and put too much work into it.

Speaker 1:
[79:17] Right. So you think it almost backfired trying harder.

Speaker 3:
[79:19] That's my takeaway.

Speaker 1:
[79:20] You got to go back to your roots.

Speaker 3:
[79:22] Let's go back to the fact that if this is taking me more than 16 minutes of human time, real time, I'm probably not doing it the Marc way.

Speaker 4:
[79:33] I think where you need to go with this when we bring Lance back into the fold here is that you have done a phenomenal job at locating the players where they should have been drafted. You know what I'm saying? You have around where the players were drafted, just not to the right teams. I think that shows a knowledge of working the board, Marc, and positional value, player ranking value, and that's maybe where your strength lies.

Speaker 3:
[79:58] I just need Conor to follow me around town basically. Well, hello.

Speaker 6:
[80:01] This is so true because you have, we just covered the Fano at nine that I messed up. I believe it's Kano. It's Fano. You have Cooper at 30. That's where he went. You have Keldrick Falk at 31. That's where he went. Just, yeah, not the right teams. And then even the rest of the guys, Conor, I know you weren't even necessarily talking about just those literal pick number player matches, but yeah, you did a good job, Marc.

Speaker 3:
[80:26] Well, I don't see myself waltzing down the street acting like I've achieved victory. I appreciate the healing words.

Speaker 1:
[80:34] You were defeated, but that's okay. You gave it everything you had. All right. I have my my son, Harrison Hanzus here. Yeah, buddy. Harry is in his Garrett Wilson jersey. Your thoughts on the Jets draft, Harrison?

Speaker 12:
[80:47] It was good, but with the 16th pick, I thought they should have drafted Mekai Lemon.

Speaker 1:
[80:56] Very good. Very good.

Speaker 3:
[80:57] But that's good analysis.

Speaker 1:
[80:58] They did move back, move up, and they did get a wide receiver late. So do you think Geno Smith is set up well for success?

Speaker 12:
[81:05] Yes. All right.

Speaker 1:
[81:07] Can you measure my arm? I want to see if I have longer arms than Ruben Bain. Ruben Bain has 31 inch arms. Okay, so what I want you to do...

Speaker 3:
[81:18] That was measure Jets analysis, by the way.

Speaker 1:
[81:20] Yeah. I mean, he's all chipped off the old block.

Speaker 12:
[81:22] All right.

Speaker 1:
[81:23] Can you tell me, Harry, where is my finger end? Where is that?

Speaker 12:
[81:30] Like 29 inches.

Speaker 3:
[81:33] Does it go to end of finger?

Speaker 1:
[81:35] I don't... Well, let's assume so. Well, okay, sure. 29 inches. Thank you, son. You could go upstairs now. Go to bed. Um, 29 inches. So, yeah, you know, so Ruben Bain, I just want to, just to put it in perspective, that 31, it's not that bad. You know, he's not like a, weirdo. He's not like a, you know, in the freak show on Venice Beach Boardwalk. You know what I mean?

Speaker 3:
[82:03] No, not yet.

Speaker 1:
[82:05] All right.

Speaker 4:
[82:07] Anything else?

Speaker 1:
[82:08] Do you have the Encino Man sound, Justin?

Speaker 4:
[82:13] We should just roll right into a whole Encino Man watch. Do you want to know what he really is?

Speaker 1:
[82:34] No, no, no. Encino Man Live Watch, that could be the next play on the Patreon.

Speaker 3:
[82:47] Sure. Well, you've enticed us enough to say yes.

Speaker 1:
[82:52] Have you not seen Encino Man, Marc?

Speaker 3:
[82:54] I have. I mean, as you were drumming through the contents of it, I realized I saw it many years ago.

Speaker 1:
[82:59] How many times are you gonna watch Star Wars 14, like the mystery deepens?

Speaker 3:
[83:02] I'm not gonna watch it at all.

Speaker 8:
[83:03] I don't watch.

Speaker 1:
[83:05] Let's open up Horizons.

Speaker 3:
[83:08] This is the horizon that I need to encounter.

Speaker 1:
[83:11] It was the 90s, man. Everything was good in the 90s.

Speaker 3:
[83:14] I saw it.

Speaker 1:
[83:15] I saw it back then. The Phantom Menace, that was a 90s product. Jar Jar Pinks. What a joke.

Speaker 3:
[83:22] Yeah, I agree. I don't think anyone's arguing against it. That was...

Speaker 1:
[83:27] All right. 29 inch long arms. Not good enough for the pros, but good enough to podcast. You want to check in with the stream one more time before we say good night? Is that a plan? Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[83:37] I'd like to shout out these Super Chats, just cause, you know, the people donating money to our...

Speaker 4:
[83:41] Absolutely.

Speaker 1:
[83:41] Let's roll through some Super Chats. Pat's fan, Ben, which GM is a pancake eater and which one was a sunny weaver? That's a Draft Day reference. Conor, this feels like you're a Ballywick.

Speaker 4:
[83:56] Okay, so in this case, the pancake eater would be the bad GM. I think sunny weaver is bougie, man. Moved all up and down the board. He got his picks back. He did well. Pancake eater, probably Monty Awesomfort from the Cardinals. Think he ate a little pancake today.

Speaker 1:
[84:12] A little bit.

Speaker 3:
[84:13] Bad guy, like Jerry Jones, just kind of being like, uh-oh.

Speaker 4:
[84:16] Yeah, I just think he let the draft take him instead of taking the draft. Does that make sense?

Speaker 1:
[84:24] Yeah, this is a good one. By the way, just real quick, I just did a full rundown of Encino Man. Dan thinks he's so cool. Encino Man.

Speaker 6:
[84:34] Who's this from? I love that. Something happened during the Cardinals, during Monty Awesomfort's post-draft presser, which was happening while we were live, I think, or maybe it happened right after the pick. Who knows? Whatever. Regardless. He said, they asked him what was up with the delay in getting your card in, and he said, oh, we couldn't find or we had the wrong phone number when we tried to call Jeremiyah Love, so we couldn't get in contact with him until he was the pick.

Speaker 1:
[84:58] And also, the owner hit me in the head with a stapler, so I had to regain consciousness and stop the bleeding.

Speaker 4:
[85:03] They were waiting for someone to come up. It took me, this is a true story, okay? So I did a story on Jeremiyah Love for the football preview for Sports Illustrated. He referenced this anime cartoon that he liked to watch. And our fact checker said, listen, I don't think you have the scene right. It's this other scene in this anime. It's not the one that you're talking about. It took me 21 seconds to get a hold of Jeremiyah Love to confirm what anime scene we were talking about. If it took the Arizona Cardinals nine and a half minutes, what are we doing here? Like that's-

Speaker 3:
[85:36] Right, why tell us that?

Speaker 4:
[85:38] Yeah, don't tell us that. You were waiting for someone to trade up, just admit it. You wanted someone else to take them.

Speaker 1:
[85:44] Ben says Cardinals summed up by Monty Austin Ford just admitting they took so long drafting Jeremiyah Love because they had the wrong number for him. Couldn't make it up. Yeah, that is, this is what I've been talking about about the Cardinals for years on this show. I mean, it's the same old story. But yeah, like we were talking about Jeremiyah Love, I was like, I defended the pick at the top of the show, but I also will say, as I was watching him come up on the stage, I literally said to my wife, I said, poor bastard. I'm just going to the Cardinals, it's a tough one. Z Giddy, where are the bongos and what's that track called? We're post-bongos, man.

Speaker 3:
[86:21] Yeah, was she impressed by your Cardinals commentary? What is her, what's the energy flowing through her when you offer a comment like that that kind of stops the rooms, the progress?

Speaker 1:
[86:31] You can imagine, you can imagine it's like, oh, this is why I fell in love with him. He's so cool. He thinks he's so cool. Olsen, to quote the great Bart Simpson for the Rams Ty Simpson pick, eat my shorts, man. Okay. I don't know. I don't know what to say. There's going to be a lot of Rams love. There's going to be a lot of takes about how the Rams are the big winner because they see what no one else can see. Right. It's the spoils of being a media darling. Pats Van Ben Conner, are you full from the Ty Simpson nugs from Albert Breer? What does that mean? I know you had your stream obviously today.

Speaker 4:
[87:12] Breer was, you know that Instagram of the guy who like, he has the washboard on his abs and then the cymbals on his knees and he's like singing and playing the kazoo at once. Breer was going psychotic on this thing, tipping picks, texting scouts for analysis, eating copious amounts of mints and granola bars. It's like stuffing his face in the whole time. He's like, oh yeah, and by the way, and then he just drops like 10 interesting things about Ty Simpson. I was like, holy crap, incredible, incredible job.

Speaker 1:
[87:44] There must be a challenge, but also it sounds like it was never a dull moment working with the great Burt Breer.

Speaker 4:
[87:51] This comment is bullshit.

Speaker 1:
[87:52] Olsen, working man's dead only, working man's dead only good grateful dead album. My head just melted.

Speaker 4:
[88:01] What? I mean, working man's dead is great.

Speaker 1:
[88:03] Oh, the name of the album is working man's dead.

Speaker 3:
[88:07] That is a wild comment. All right.

Speaker 1:
[88:09] Let's save that for a Patreon show down the line. Teddy Scott, I can now say I went to school with and met a first round pick. Chris Johnson from San Diego State. Isn't that cool?

Speaker 3:
[88:20] Isn't that cool?

Speaker 1:
[88:22] Everybody knows somebody, right? Either directly or tangentially that made it. And that's always a cool thing.

Speaker 3:
[88:31] A guy that gave me a concussion in half speed drills in high school named Mark Hirschbaum, who was a gigantic person and I was like, just filling out a unit like we got 78 people on this team. Sure you do. But then like he gave me a concussion and then he made the Bears and we played a preseason game against the Browns and then he got cut but.

Speaker 6:
[88:51] Very good. Very good. All right, a couple more. This is just a comment that is no text included but it's $420 on the amount.

Speaker 4:
[89:00] Nice.

Speaker 6:
[89:00] Thank you, Chrissy. Chrissy the Drugs.

Speaker 1:
[89:03] All right. I'm Mike Aguirre. Happy birthday, Dan. You don't look a day over 45. Oh yeah, that checks out. So cool. So cool. Thank you, Mike. You're the man. Mark should have used Bridget to build his mock. We might have to dust off Bridget after this. 9-4, that's a bit of a spanking. We just got to be real about it. And it's not, if people thought Lance, let's be real about this. If people thought Lance was disagreeable or rude going into 26, I don't even know what to expect next year now.

Speaker 3:
[89:35] I mean, we've got to take it for what it is. It is time for me to go silent on this front and become an assassin.

Speaker 4:
[89:43] Is there any doubt that Mark's transcendent performance from 2025 awoke the beast in Lance and that Lance made more work into this? Yeah, I mean, this is an iron sharpens iron situation. Let's not couch it any other way.

Speaker 1:
[89:56] Well, to extend the Rocky analogy and go backwards, yeah, you gave Lance the Eye of the Tiger, and that's how he beat Clubber Lang in the rematch.

Speaker 6:
[90:04] Went to train in Russia maybe, you know, doing like sit ups.

Speaker 1:
[90:07] Well, now you're back in Rocky IV.

Speaker 3:
[90:09] That was before.

Speaker 1:
[90:10] And also Mark is Rocky in our whole setup.

Speaker 6:
[90:15] Mark, you gotta go train in Russia for the next one.

Speaker 3:
[90:17] No, that's before, that already happened according to this.

Speaker 1:
[90:20] Damn it. Thanks for chiming in on that one there. You know, they said get a young producer. Nighttime Visions, hell of a stream tonight, guys. Oh, this is a good one, Dan sucks, that's all.

Speaker 3:
[90:37] That's the same guy.

Speaker 1:
[90:38] Same guy, what is your problem, buddy? I got some 29 inch arms, it'll have something to say to you after the show. All right, last one, Nighttime Visions, Titans had a great draft, Justin putting his own money into our show, into our coffers.

Speaker 3:
[90:56] That's like when the final text we're getting.

Speaker 1:
[90:59] It's a cave, man.

Speaker 6:
[91:03] All right, last one, James wants to know what hat you're wearing.

Speaker 1:
[91:07] This is a hat that I got from Brundage, which is a ski slope in Idaho that my family was invited over President's weekend to stay with some family friends. And we went skiing and it was a cool hat and my wife got it for me. And I like it. And I hope you do too. Brundage, ski, ski. I don't know what they call those places, lawn shredders. I don't know, ski, ski, a hill. They call it. What do they call those? It's not a resort.

Speaker 3:
[91:42] Well, it is a ski, a ski, a ski slope or a ski hill or ski.

Speaker 1:
[91:47] That's underselling it as well. What is it if it's not a resort, but it's not just a slope?

Speaker 6:
[91:52] Lodge.

Speaker 3:
[91:53] Well, a mountain like it's a mountain. It's a it's a mountain. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[91:57] Yeah. There you go. All right.

Speaker 3:
[92:00] I don't think we got it right still, but we'll let's get out of here.

Speaker 1:
[92:04] Yeah, that feels like a good way to go. Anyway, again, thank you to everybody. Idaho Ski Resort, Brundage Mountain, Brundage Mountain Resort. So they do call it a resort. Who knows of these things? Brundage Mountain, it's called. An alpine ski area in the western United States, located in west central Idaho. All right. Thank you, everybody, for watching Along Life. We'll be back Saturday. Recap in the entirety of the draft. So until then, have a great and enjoyable weekend. And remember, Marc, what do they need to do? Get it right, Marc. Hit it right.

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