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Speaker 1:
[01:03] If you are listening to this Reunion on audio, be sure to check out the extended video version exclusively on The Viall Files on YouTube, where you can look at all the crazy reactions and intimate moments from the cast of Temptation Island. You'll be glad that you did, so be sure to check it out.

Speaker 3:
[01:20] Last time on part one of the Temptation Island Season 2 Reunion.

Speaker 4:
[01:24] I still had that like little bit of hope, and that shit failed.

Speaker 3:
[01:29] Have you been back in contact with Xavier?

Speaker 1:
[01:33] So, well, we do have a video, and so we wanted to play that for you. Mikey, I just want to be respectful of you, like you're cool. Part two starts now. I'm not sure if you wanted to step out or anything.

Speaker 3:
[01:47] No, we're good. Okay.

Speaker 5:
[01:49] This is crazy. Hey, Sid.

Speaker 6:
[01:53] Just wanted to say I'm thinking about you today, and wish you the best of three.

Speaker 7:
[01:56] You know, be yourself like you always are, and you know you're going to be good.

Speaker 8:
[02:00] You know you got a kind heart, gentle soul. And I'm moving for you.

Speaker 5:
[02:05] That was so sweet.

Speaker 1:
[02:07] Do you feel like there is a chance that you and Xavier might become a real couple?

Speaker 5:
[02:14] So, you know, being that like on the show, like we definitely found a real connection in that I've had time to like step back, focus on myself. I would say that there is a possibility in the future that you never know what could happen.

Speaker 1:
[02:28] What does need to happen for that to be a reality?

Speaker 5:
[02:31] You know, I think we just need to take some time, you know, without the cameras being in front of us and just really build a stronger connection outside of the villa. You know, a lot of it was encouraged by things that I had went through. And I feel like now like being able to have processed those and meet him where he is, I think that is exactly what I need to do to, now that I focused on myself, I could see, you know, that connection happening outside of the villa.

Speaker 3:
[03:00] He did mention to us that he lives here in LA. Are you planning on stopping by this place or?

Speaker 5:
[03:07] You know, we actually have a few plans this weekend with like the whole cast and everything, everybody getting together. So I might just might see him.

Speaker 1:
[03:15] Mikey, was that tough to watch? Are you, would you be, like, you really rooting for Xavier and Sydney like you say you are?

Speaker 6:
[03:22] I root for what's best for Sydney. If that's Xavier.

Speaker 1:
[03:26] Do you think he is what's best for Sydney?

Speaker 6:
[03:28] I think Xavier is exactly who he portrays to be. He's a great guy, thousand percent. I think he's a great individual. He's somebody who everyone can tell was raised correctly, thousand percent. I'll never shit on him. I'll never talk down on that man. But at the end of the day, I mean, I can't be his best friend. He took my girl. What are you talking about? Like, I mean, that's just how it goes. Like, I can't be best homies with the guy, but I can give him props on being a phenomenal individual. So, because I'm just, I don't play a hate. Like, that's the one thing I don't do. I don't play a hate. I can't do that.

Speaker 1:
[04:02] I think what was kind of interesting about the video, I mean, it's short, it's not like this profession of love, but it's the little thing, you know? And I feel like that's something when watching Xavier back, he seemed to be willing to do those little things. Do you feel like in your next relationship, you will want to do stuff like that with someone that you feel as strongly as you felt for Sydney?

Speaker 6:
[04:24] Yeah, 1000%. Something like that, that's something that doesn't put much thought, it's just who he is. You know what I'm saying? So from watching their experience, from watching the arts and crafts and watching the Jonas Brothers stuff, I was just like, wow, that is like, that's literally just who he is as a person. And that's a beautiful thing to see. So I truthfully have to figure out, well, I have figured out what makes Mikey unique in those romantic ways. You know what I'm saying? Because I'll never take what he does, because no, I want to be who I am and display that to an individual and show them that I have all this love to give. I need another chance, Nick, at love.

Speaker 1:
[05:08] Come on, man.

Speaker 6:
[05:09] I need another chance at love.

Speaker 3:
[05:11] Are your DMs open? Trust.

Speaker 6:
[05:13] Ladies, wait. Tell me where I'm at.

Speaker 3:
[05:16] Where?

Speaker 6:
[05:16] Right there? Sure. On that knee? Ladies, listen.

Speaker 3:
[05:19] Oh, boy.

Speaker 6:
[05:20] Listen, ladies, I got all this love to give.

Speaker 3:
[05:23] That'll do it for the Temptation Island Season 2 Reunion.

Speaker 6:
[05:26] Give me that. Come on, man. I need it. I would love to have a girlfriend for real. I would love that.

Speaker 8:
[05:31] Do you want a girlfriend now already?

Speaker 6:
[05:34] No, no, no. Not right now. I'm still working on it. I'm only four months into therapy, and we're finally getting somewhere good. So I want to create this individual of myself that I really want to be so that my next partner is like, oh my gosh, how did any girl leave you? That's what I want for my next relationship, truthfully.

Speaker 1:
[05:53] What do you want to say to your future girlfriend?

Speaker 6:
[05:55] Listen, listen, my love.

Speaker 3:
[05:57] Don't watch this season.

Speaker 6:
[05:59] You can watch this season because you'll see how much of an idiot I can be but also how much I can love somebody with all my heart.

Speaker 3:
[06:09] That was deep.

Speaker 4:
[06:10] It was beautiful.

Speaker 3:
[06:11] I'm sure she's sorry.

Speaker 4:
[06:16] Only you did that on the show.

Speaker 1:
[06:18] Well, I do want to appreciate you guys for being so open and honest. I know that wasn't easy for the both of you.

Speaker 6:
[06:23] It's our first conversation we've had.

Speaker 1:
[06:26] Y'all got it. Also, Meg, I do want to commend you on being open about therapy. As a young man, I just want to say good for you. It's not easy to always acknowledge that, but I think it's done a lot for me, it's done a lot for our relationship, so good for you for putting in the work.

Speaker 6:
[06:42] I appreciate that.

Speaker 1:
[06:43] I'm really rooting for you. All right. Well, I think it's time to get to Cheyenne and Jack. Two young lovers that after a moment of infidelity, a relationship of distrust was built.

Speaker 3:
[06:53] After some dicey bonfire footage, closed blinds and some giant one-night flings.

Speaker 9:
[07:01] Oh my God.

Speaker 7:
[07:02] I knew that.

Speaker 3:
[07:02] They both decided to choose themselves in the end.

Speaker 7:
[07:06] I knew she said it.

Speaker 4:
[07:07] I didn't. You saw it. No, you said that shit, Cheyenne. I was saying his muscles were giant.

Speaker 3:
[07:12] No, we heard it. We heard it.

Speaker 4:
[07:14] Yes, exactly. Thank you.

Speaker 3:
[07:17] He is a giant man.

Speaker 1:
[07:17] You noticed that under the covers?

Speaker 4:
[07:20] When I was cuddling, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[07:21] Okay. What was the energy like when the two of you got home? I know y'all share two dogs. Who took the dogs?

Speaker 7:
[07:28] I picked her up from the airport, actually, surprising.

Speaker 3:
[07:31] You picked her up from the airport?

Speaker 4:
[07:32] You waited for me at the airport.

Speaker 7:
[07:33] I waited for her actually because we were on two separate flights, and we didn't have a conversation after we got out of the villa. So, we waited till we got home. I picked her up. We had a conversation and it went on and on. Basically, just decided that it was best for the both of us just to grow and heal from everything that we went through, and be as mutual as possible just based off the time we spend together.

Speaker 3:
[07:56] Is the reason that y'all didn't have a conversation until after you got back home, was because you were with Carter?

Speaker 7:
[08:04] Correct, yes.

Speaker 4:
[08:05] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[08:05] Was that hard to know that he stayed back with Carter another day?

Speaker 4:
[08:10] No, because I was with Preston. So, it was just like tip for tat.

Speaker 1:
[08:15] Okay. That seems to kind of be the theme of your guys' relationship.

Speaker 7:
[08:20] Yeah. I think that's the whole story. Okay.

Speaker 4:
[08:23] Okay. This is Dee.

Speaker 7:
[08:25] Oh.

Speaker 4:
[08:25] So, after we got done filming, I'm like in a separate hotel. They like obviously me and Jack weren't allowed in the same hotel. And I escaped security and I Ubered to Jack's hotel. And I told the front desk, I'm like, I left my passport in my boyfriend's room. Like I, someone needs to connect to me because he wouldn't answer the phone. And so, what? What you got to say?

Speaker 6:
[08:52] Was this when I was on FaceTime? Yeah. Oh, go ahead.

Speaker 4:
[08:55] Yeah. And they connected me to his room. And I'm like, hey, motherfucker, I'm downstairs. Like, are you going to come down here so we can chat? And you just hear like in the background like, no, no, please no, or whatever. I don't know what the fuck y'all had going on there. But he was-

Speaker 1:
[09:10] Carter was there.

Speaker 4:
[09:11] Yeah, in the room. You could hear. And so he wouldn't come downstairs because he was too scared. And so I started knocking on like the doors. I was crashing out, okay? And basically that's all that happened though, because then I got escorted out of the hotel.

Speaker 3:
[09:26] So he never opened up the hotel room door?

Speaker 7:
[09:28] Oh no, they took me immediately to the airport.

Speaker 4:
[09:30] Yeah, they put him on lockdown as they should.

Speaker 8:
[09:33] For his safety?

Speaker 4:
[09:35] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[09:36] So what were your intentions? Because I heard you on the phone.

Speaker 4:
[09:40] I just wanted to chat.

Speaker 6:
[09:41] You didn't sound like a chat, Cheyenne. When I was on FaceTime, we would have resounded.

Speaker 4:
[09:44] I just wanted to chat.

Speaker 3:
[09:45] What was it that you wanted to say?

Speaker 4:
[09:47] I just, like, I feel like we should have been able to have a conversation after the final bonfire without cameras and like just one on one, like let's talk this out. Like let's, I don't feel I needed to wait till we got back to Kansas City to have a conversation. And so that's ultimately what I was coming there for.

Speaker 3:
[10:05] And did it piss you off that he wasn't coming downstairs or did it piss you off that he was up there with Carter?

Speaker 4:
[10:10] It pissed me off that he wasn't coming downstairs. I could honestly care less that he was up there with her because I had already seen everything I needed to see. So that was like not really the problem to me. It was more of just like the betrayal. You can't yeah, you can't come downstairs and have a conversation, which I mean, emotions were high. Maybe it's probably a good thing he didn't come downstairs because I don't think the conversation in that moment probably would have gone very good.

Speaker 1:
[10:35] What did you want to say?

Speaker 4:
[10:40] What the fuck is wrong with you? That's what I wanted to say.

Speaker 3:
[10:43] Do you regret not coming downstairs or do you agree with her that it probably wouldn't have been a productive conversation?

Speaker 7:
[10:48] Looking back at it, my mindset was like, she's gonna be off the rails, like she's gonna freak out and we're in a whole different state and basically everyone that worked the show was gone and none of the guys were there. So really I only had the people I was with and I regret not going down there, yes. But in that moment it wouldn't have been the smartest decision just based off the emotions coming from behind it. I just wanted to avoid it and wait till I got home.

Speaker 1:
[11:21] Is that kind of a pattern that you guys had throughout your relationship of kind of these extreme highs and extreme lows of kind of pushing each other's buttons?

Speaker 4:
[11:30] Yeah, that's been.

Speaker 7:
[11:31] Yeah. I mean, let me say something. I push her buttons a lot. And I mean, I can't even give you an example. Little shit, you know? I just like annoy her or something.

Speaker 1:
[11:42] And you knew it would annoy her?

Speaker 7:
[11:45] Not necessarily. Yeah, I mean, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[11:47] He loves a reaction. Like he loves a good reaction out of me.

Speaker 1:
[11:51] And where do you think that comes from?

Speaker 4:
[11:54] I have no idea. I don't know. Okay.

Speaker 1:
[11:57] Did you guys, when you finally picked her up and had a conversation, did you guys fully open up into all the things that went down? You both seem to really take advantage of the tempters and the temptresses that you guys are interacting with.

Speaker 4:
[12:12] Advantage. Advantage is crazy. So whenever I got off the flight and we had the conversation, it was just more of like you need to tell me everything that you did. I'll tell you everything that I did. And I will say he told me more things that happened on the show that weren't shown. So from what I know about how he acted in the house, there's a lot more shit that he did that didn't get shown that I know about. And I obviously told him everything, but I think in that moment I was just like, you need to get your shit and you need to go. I wanted nothing to do with him right off the island. It wasn't until I would say a month.

Speaker 7:
[12:55] A month or two, maybe almost two, where we were just like, yeah, go.

Speaker 4:
[12:59] We weren't talking, whatever, and then he was just like, Shai, can we have a conversation? Like a legit, like, sit down, let's have a conversation, let's talk this out. And that's whenever we had a talk about a month later. And I would say that conversation was productive. That's where we came to the conclusion. Like, Jack was like, I still want you in my life, like I still want to be friends with you, and I still want that, you know, like, not relationship. Like, he still, we still wanted to be friends. And on that page, we've been together for so long that I think that that's the best. And that's where we kind of just came to the conclusion of everybody from the show needs to go.

Speaker 1:
[13:41] What did you guys do? I'd love to hear, I think everyone would love to hear what actually happened in terms of the physical boundaries that you both crossed.

Speaker 7:
[13:49] I'll go first. I just like kissed everyone in the fucking house. Like honestly, like not everyone. Well, I'm not there yet. On the show, I didn't have sex in the tent. I didn't have sex in my room. The last date that wasn't shown on the show is where I had sex with Carter.

Speaker 1:
[14:08] Okay. And what about Jacenia?

Speaker 7:
[14:10] Nope. Just made out. I mean, we didn't do anything else other than that.

Speaker 1:
[14:15] Do you think oral sex is sex?

Speaker 7:
[14:17] Oh no, I didn't have oral sex.

Speaker 3:
[14:19] Did you suck her toes?

Speaker 7:
[14:20] Nope.

Speaker 1:
[14:21] She said you did.

Speaker 7:
[14:22] I sucked her toes?

Speaker 3:
[14:24] She said that's why in the Temptation Haven, she said that turns me on so much, is because you were sucking her toes.

Speaker 7:
[14:30] Well, the night of the Temptation Haven, actually, I'll get into this night. Actually, this was my best, probably my best night. I needed a trophy for this one. Before going to the Temptation Haven. Trophy? No, it's okay. No, because I was so fucked up that night that I actually had a crash out that wasn't on the show.

Speaker 6:
[14:51] Oh, you did?

Speaker 7:
[14:52] I remember that. I actually, this was the one time in the show that I was going to cry, that was going to be showing me crying. And it was probably the worst one. And I just remember the guys around me, like, freaking out. I don't know. I mean, I would wake up in the mornings and be like, I don't fucking remember what I did last night.

Speaker 4:
[15:08] Is it true you face planted right before you went into the Temptation Haven?

Speaker 7:
[15:11] Yeah, I did.

Speaker 6:
[15:12] You did.

Speaker 10:
[15:13] There were times when I actually did put him to bed, though, and then I would go live my life, and then he would disappear and go do something else. I can't police someone.

Speaker 6:
[15:21] You get what I'm saying? Like, Cheyenne, we did.

Speaker 7:
[15:22] We tried.

Speaker 6:
[15:23] We tried our hardest to take care of Jack.

Speaker 9:
[15:25] Well, it's also Jack's choice to be drinking that much. You're making that decision. Exactly.

Speaker 6:
[15:30] Because it wasn't like people were forcing him to.

Speaker 4:
[15:32] Yeah. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying we were never like that.

Speaker 6:
[15:35] That's true.

Speaker 4:
[15:36] All of us, we were cut off. I just don't understand. I feel like it was completely different.

Speaker 11:
[15:41] We never got hammered.

Speaker 4:
[15:42] We totally went. Because we're like-

Speaker 9:
[15:43] We would tell the producers. We would tell them.

Speaker 7:
[15:45] Actually, it was so bad to the point that I actually got all of our house cut off for four days.

Speaker 4:
[15:52] Yeah. They were trying to cut you off. But I almost just feel like it's just like that's your- It's my own fault. We had this conversation when we went into the house.

Speaker 7:
[15:59] Correct.

Speaker 4:
[16:00] Our conversation was, because you have done, this has been a problem in our relationship, the alcohol and doing fucked up shit. We had that conversation of, don't let yourself get to that point, and you got to that point. At some point, yes, you can see both sides, but at the end of the day, a lot of it does fall on you. But at the same point, it needs to be boundaries.

Speaker 7:
[16:21] No, it all falls on me.

Speaker 1:
[16:22] So was him not drinking a boundary you guys tried to set prior to coming in?

Speaker 4:
[16:26] Yes. The very last thing that I said to him when we said bye to each other, I literally looked at him, we're holding hands, I'm crying, I'm like, whatever you do, do not get fucked up. Please control yourself and do not get fucked up. And that completely went out the window. What, the second day? Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[16:42] And you're saying it got so bad that they did cut you guys off.

Speaker 7:
[16:45] Oh, they go. Even the girls couldn't drink.

Speaker 6:
[16:48] Yeah, the girls couldn't drink.

Speaker 7:
[16:49] For like four days, I was getting bitched at for days on in because it was living hell.

Speaker 1:
[16:54] So I just want to, they tried to keep you.

Speaker 6:
[16:56] Yeah, a thousand percent. Accountable.

Speaker 1:
[16:57] It wasn't like you were being let out of control.

Speaker 7:
[17:01] Well, yeah.

Speaker 6:
[17:02] Yeah. No, they did try to keep us accountable, saying like, no, you guys.

Speaker 7:
[17:08] Once it got bad.

Speaker 6:
[17:09] Yeah, once it got bad.

Speaker 7:
[17:09] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[17:10] What were you guys saying?

Speaker 4:
[17:12] Oh, nothing. I'm just talking to the girls.

Speaker 6:
[17:13] Until we switched houses and then we drank all their alcohol. We definitely drank all their alcohol when we switched houses.

Speaker 8:
[17:18] Yeah, when we did the Villa spot.

Speaker 4:
[17:20] Yeah, we did. You guys as well.

Speaker 1:
[17:22] Why do you think it didn't take long at all for you to just forget every conversation you had with Cheyenne about your boundaries once you got into the Villa?

Speaker 7:
[17:33] Honestly, another thing, I mean, I just honestly think it was hearing the bonfires and hearing how the way she was talking about me, but at the same time, it wasn't necessarily what she was saying. It's everyone around me that's hearing that, and then everyone in my ear saying, you don't deserve this and that.

Speaker 4:
[17:50] But you knew that was going to happen. That's the point of fucking Temptation Island.

Speaker 7:
[17:53] I let the manipulation get to me. I let people's words get to me. I let my brain just be like, hey, you're going to do it. And there's no regrets in that moment. From the time that I kissed Carter, I knew, because before we went on to the show, she told me, like, if I broke any boundary, she's going to give Netflix a show. So when I knew that I kissed, no, straight up, I knew when I kissed Carter. Thank you. I was going to wait, I knew that I fucked up. And then I had the conversation with the guys the next day. And then I saw what she did. And then my brain, right then and there, was like, okay, what do I do? Everyone around me is like, dude, you're, it sounds so stupid, but I'm just like, I'm listening to everyone around me. That's the saddest part about it.

Speaker 3:
[18:34] Were you hammered when you kissed Carter the first time?

Speaker 7:
[18:38] Yeah, 100%. I would never, I never was sober doing anything with anyone.

Speaker 3:
[18:42] But you were conscious enough to know, to get out of the way of cameras and turn off the lights so that it wouldn't be shown to Cheyenne.

Speaker 7:
[18:50] So the way it's shown in the show is not the way, it's not what actually happened. It actually happened in the confessional. It didn't happen in the bedroom.

Speaker 3:
[18:58] No, they showed it in the confessional, but they showed you getting up from in front of the cameras, turning off the lights and standing what it seemed like out of frame, so you couldn't be clipped.

Speaker 7:
[19:09] I mean, honestly, if you would be frank with you like, I've only watched three episodes of the show. I haven't even watched it.

Speaker 1:
[19:15] Okay.

Speaker 7:
[19:16] I have no idea.

Speaker 1:
[19:17] Yeah, so that's how it happened.

Speaker 3:
[19:19] That's how it's played out. So you were sober enough to realize, hey, I don't want Cheyenne to see this, let me move out of camera and turn off the lights. You were conscious enough of that.

Speaker 7:
[19:31] Yeah, yeah. I'm going to say, yeah, because it's better to not look like it.

Speaker 6:
[19:34] But then you were in the photo booth. But you were in the photo booth after, because that's when Lulu told me that you did something, and I walked up to you and I said, if that's the step you're going to take, you got to stand on that. You looked at me, and you was just like, we here. And I looked him in his eyes, he was fucked up. Like, I'm not going to, like, I got to defend him on that. Like, when he looked up at me and I told him, like, are you going to go do some foul shit? You got to stand on that shit, Jack. And what did you say? You was like, we're here. And I was just like, he's fucked up. Like, I looked in his eyes, I was like, he's not here.

Speaker 7:
[20:06] No, it's like sad because like even in some of my confessionals, like my eyes were rolling in the back of my fucking head. I'm just like, dude, I don't even remember the shit.

Speaker 3:
[20:12] Why did you get so drunk?

Speaker 7:
[20:13] I hated it there. It was terrible. I honestly was awful.

Speaker 1:
[20:17] It seemed the opposite.

Speaker 6:
[20:19] Exactly.

Speaker 7:
[20:19] No, like I'm going to be straight up. It was awful. Once I fucked up, it was the worst experience in my fucking life. I felt like I was targeted every fucking day. What do you mean by targeted? I was the only dude in the house that did some shit. I mean, come on, dude, we're on a TV show. Once someone fucks up, they're going to push you to do other shit. So what did I do? I fell for the bullshit and I did it. Now I'm sitting here right now.

Speaker 3:
[20:43] So you're blaming the producers for your cheating and not your own actions.

Speaker 7:
[20:47] I'm blaming myself. No, I blame myself for the cheating. But I'm also, it's also the people pushing me and the people in my ears in that moment. And like the emotional distress that we're all going through. And like, I can't even explain it, dude. It's not real life to anyone that's watching this. It's really not. Like everyone in this room has experienced it. Everyone from last cast experienced it. No one would ever understand.

Speaker 3:
[21:11] Just, Cheyenne, seeing the kiss or hearing the kiss that happened with Carter and the confessional. That was it for you. That's all you needed to see for you to be completely done.

Speaker 4:
[21:22] Yeah. I told, like he said, I told him going into the experience just because we've had our issues, obviously, before we went. So it was just like, you know, the way that the first time made me feel. So if you go out of your way to go do it again to me, it's over. Like, I'm gonna, as childish as it is, and yes, maybe I shouldn't have reacted the way that I reacted, and I shouldn't have immediately went to go get my leg back or whatever. People or whatever, you know, I said. Yeah, I did. So it's fine. It's whatever. But yes, in that moment, like right whenever I saw it, I was just like, it's game on. Like, he's about to get what he deserves, and that's what I did.

Speaker 1:
[22:05] Because it's interesting when we started this whole reunion. Like you said, you were just, you knew he was going to do what he did. Yeah. Did you think it was going to be?

Speaker 4:
[22:15] But I still had a little bit of hope.

Speaker 1:
[22:17] No, I understand that. But did you, it doesn't seem like you said that because of his drinking. You said that because of how you know he moves in the relationship.

Speaker 4:
[22:27] Like when me and Jack were together in our relationship, and we spent every single day together, and we were with each other. That is not like how Jack is. The only time that Jack has gone out of his way to cheat or whatever, went out to the club with his friends, got fucked up, cheated on me. So it's like, he's not the same person when he's sober and it's me and him. It's just completely different. So, I don't know, it happened. There's no excuses. It happened. So, it is what it is.

Speaker 1:
[23:01] To be honest, I empathize with you guys because, I think we all know what it's like to have our first love. It's hard to quit that person. There's always like, there's this love, but there's this toxicity. It did seem like almost a good thing. Well, you guys did things that hurt each other. You guys leaving the island alone, I feel like made a lot of sense to the viewers, to us, even to you guys. But I'm hearing you guys both, especially you, trying to defend it and almost take it back in a way that you feel like you almost regret how it all went down.

Speaker 4:
[23:35] Yeah, I just, I do, like Jack has, obviously I said it on the show, he's been the only guy I've been with for five years. So after I went and I did what I did, it didn't make me feel good. I didn't hook up with Preston after and be like, oh my gosh, I'm on top of the world. That was the best thing ever. In fact, it was the complete opposite. Right after I hooked up with him, immediately when I got into the confessional, I was just crying. I'm like, I just feel bad. That's not how I should have gone about it. But I wasn't gonna sit here and let him play in my face on Netflix. Just not gonna happen. That's real.

Speaker 3:
[24:15] Jack, you said to the guys that she kept bringing up the time that you cheated, but what we didn't know was that she had actually been the one to cheat first. Can y'all talk a little bit about that?

Speaker 7:
[24:27] Yeah. So two years into me and Cheyenne dating, she just went out with a friend, got drunk and kissed a guy and came home that same night and told me and was honest about it, and didn't lie about it, was so truthful. I was just like, you know what? It's gonna be okay.

Speaker 4:
[24:44] That started all from a huge fight of us literally screaming at each other like, fuck you, and that's whenever I went out with my friends. I had never gone out with just my friends without you before that. So it's no excuse for what I did, but then yes, I did. I went out, I kissed someone, and then I immediately left and I came home and I told Jack and I was like, it happened either we're going to move past it or we need to end the relationship now. I want you to decide. He was just like, I want to stay with you. It's not something that is going to end the relationship. We got past that and then it's just like after that happened, it was, he just kept going. He just kept being a piece of shit and that's where it's like, we never have came to, it was shown in the show, it's always we're going for each other. If I do something, he's going to do something back. If he does something back, I'm doing something. It was a very toxic relationship. I feel like a lot of people understand, as crazy as it seems, but I think a lot of people have been in a super toxic relationship like how ours was. I think people can see and understand how we moved, the way we moved and why we did the things we did essentially.

Speaker 3:
[26:07] How soon after you kissing the guy, did he go home with the girl?

Speaker 4:
[26:12] I would say, what, a few months? Yeah.

Speaker 8:
[26:17] I keep saying change your opinion or something.

Speaker 6:
[26:20] I'm not going to lie, the way it made it seem on the show, it was back to back. It was like, oh, yeah, she kissed somebody, then boom, Jack went to go fuck somebody. You know what I'm saying? They made it like, I really feel like the show really portrayed Jack as this fucking evil person, and Jack is not an evil fucking person.

Speaker 3:
[26:35] Well, the show does only show what they are giving.

Speaker 6:
[26:38] Exactly.

Speaker 3:
[26:39] So they can't make him say things or make him do things.

Speaker 6:
[26:42] He's such a loving guy, and the stuff that he would say about Cheyenne in the house, and I know he fucking cheated, and I told him he was wrong about it. All of the guys told him he was wrong about it, but we also asked him his perspective because he spoke so highly of Cheyenne, and that's why when we got out of the house and everything, I felt like I knew Cheyenne based upon the conversations that he was having with me. So it's like I don't want the world to feel like Jack did not love Cheyenne.

Speaker 8:
[27:06] He did love her. I think anyone doesn't feel the love between them.

Speaker 6:
[27:08] Because it's there.

Speaker 1:
[27:09] I would agree with you. I know this is all new for you guys, maybe not you. You've been on reality TV before. But I empathize with you guys. I've been in your shoes. It's hard. You guys, I'm sure the DMs are open. People are saying nasty shit to you guys. But I can assure you, no one thinks anyone here is an evil person, and that's what I love about this show. Because again, as salacious as the premise sometimes feels, this show really is about love and relationships and working through problems and in a very unconventional way, testing your guy's relationship. I didn't see a piece of shit or an evil guy in Jack. I saw a young man working through some shit, but that doesn't mean you can't be accountable for your actions, and it doesn't mean you can't grow from that. So I think it's sometimes a little heavy to go down to, he's not an evil guy. We know that. We're not trying to figure out whether Jack is evil, we're just trying to figure out what you guys have learned from this experience.

Speaker 4:
[28:04] But I also want to talk about like obviously, Jack is the one who brought me to Temptation Island. He's the one who wanted to do this experience. And so after months of convincing me, we came up with the decision of, listen, if you want to go on to the show and you want to air out the dirty laundry that you've done in the relationship, that's fine. But I don't want to go on the show. So at the end of the day, none of that's like that's not coming out. So if you want to go on the show and you want to bring up problems that we've had, you can bring up your problems. I'm not doing it because it was his idea. He wanted to go on it. So I almost feel like, correct me if I'm wrong, but the reason that you had to go and bring that up after we had already talked about that multiple times is because you knew you fucked up. And so you thought it was going to make you look like a better person to go and bring up shit we agreed wasn't going to get brought up.

Speaker 7:
[28:57] Correct. You're looking at me like I'm going to lie.

Speaker 4:
[28:59] I'm just saying like that's you didn't. If that was the case, we would have brought this up when Mark's introducing us all. We would have brought that up. But you waited until you're thinking in your head like fuck the world's going to hate me. Like everybody's going to look at me as a cheater. So I'm going to go ahead and bring up what Cheyenne did, even though you knew like going into this when we decided we were going on Temptation Island that that wasn't something. I mean, it's whatever I can like I don't I don't care. Like it happened. It is what it is. But it's just like you can't you couldn't even stand on like the simple ass like boundaries that we had set. Like you just totally blew them out the water. And it's like you already broke the boundaries with being physical. So it's like, why break the boundaries with other shit that we said? I just that's something that I just didn't understand.

Speaker 7:
[29:45] Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1:
[29:45] Do you think there's a part of you consciously, subconsciously that you brought Cheyenne to Temptation Island to ultimately end the relationship because deep down you felt like maybe you two weren't right for each other?

Speaker 7:
[29:57] No, I mean, no, I don't know. I would not say yes to that. No, I don't think that's why I brought her there because genuinely I went in there with the intentions to be loyal and to show her that I loved her. It's just that's not the way it went. I can't change anything. But all I can do is just be better every single day and show her that, you know, no matter if she's, you know, who knows what's going to happen down the, I didn't spend six years with her for no reason. But at the same time, I want her to be happy. And at that, in that moment, we weren't happy.

Speaker 1:
[30:26] No, I hear that. I mean, that, every time you said that on the show, I mean, I understood you. It's like, no one watched you guys and thought, I want something like this. But we also, no offense. You know.

Speaker 11:
[30:45] Not too much.

Speaker 1:
[30:47] But we've, I've been, listen, I've been, like, we've all had that first love. And like, love is a powerful thing, you know? You don't learn how to drive getting in a Ferrari. You know what I'm saying? And that's sometimes what love is like. It's like getting into a high powered car, not knowing how to drive, and then we get surprised when we crash and burn. So, I think everyone has a lot of empathy for you guys. But at the same time, every step of the way, it does seem like you wanted out of this relationship.

Speaker 7:
[31:16] Yeah, honestly, I think we both wanted out of the relationship. I think...

Speaker 1:
[31:21] She did not seem like she wanted out of the relationship.

Speaker 7:
[31:24] Well...

Speaker 1:
[31:24] She didn't. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[31:26] Jack, I literally, I'm not coming for you. Like, I'm just saying. Listen, Jack, fucking listen. I, you guys can back me up on this. I went into the house and I was literally standing ten toes for you. Like, the guys would try and talk to me and I would literally tell them to get away from me. Like, they would try and have a conversation with me and I would be like, I don't care, it's not Jack. Like, it's not Jack, though. Like, I was standing for you so hard, so for you to sit here and say that I didn't want to be with you, it's just like that, it just, you know that's not true.

Speaker 8:
[32:04] Something that was like the big catalyst, and I'm not excusing what he did or blaming it on us when I say this, but something, the very first bonfire he saw was you on that boat with that guy and you're like talking a bunch of shit.

Speaker 4:
[32:20] Okay. But Jack didn't bring up to you guys that he's the one who told, he literally said, whatever you do, go in here and talk as much shit as you want to talk, just don't get physical.

Speaker 8:
[32:29] I'm just explaining like what happened like how it went down on the show. We saw that in the bonfire. We gave Jack a really hard time of like, wow, how do you let her talk about you like that? And Jack's like, that's just how it is with us. And we gave him a ton of shit, not that we peer pressured him or anything, but that was like a, I think one of the driving forces in it is we were like, she doesn't seem like she likes you.

Speaker 6:
[32:52] She doesn't respect you.

Speaker 8:
[32:53] Doesn't respect you.

Speaker 6:
[32:54] So why would you want to be with someone who doesn't respect you?

Speaker 8:
[32:57] Yeah. That's just our relationship. He's a grown ass man and he made his decisions, but I'm just saying that was like a component of why it happened.

Speaker 3:
[33:03] Do y'all regret putting your opinions onto their relationship?

Speaker 6:
[33:07] 1000%.

Speaker 8:
[33:07] Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 6:
[33:09] 1000 fucking percent because knowing now, I feel fucking bad for it because they didn't show it in the house. We talked every damn day and I'm over here like, shit, she calling you broke. I don't know. Hearing a woman talk down on a guy that she really loves.

Speaker 1:
[33:25] I will say though, well, I think alcohol is a weak excuse for bad behavior. I do think in relationships, and we've talked about this, and I think this was a theme with this cast. I do think men don't realize how hard it is to hear your partner talk bad about your character, whether it's saying he's acting like a sociopath or whatever. I think when Sydney for a moment was, she kissed Xavier and your first response was, I'm going to fight for this woman. You actually, for the first time, like the season opened up, you're flirting with Trace Amigas, you're doing all this thing. You saw her make out with a man and I'm like, oh, he loves Sydney. And I thought that was very interesting that you watched your girl cross a physical boundary and yet you fell more in love with her. And yet then the next bonfire, she was kind of talking down on you. And that's when you like lost some respect for Sydney or you seem more angry with her.

Speaker 4:
[34:25] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[34:26] And so I guess what I'm saying is it's like, do you think a little bit, you clearly had every right to be frustrated with Jack, but do you think you have spoken to him in a way that damaged your relationship?

Speaker 4:
[34:37] Yeah. I don't think that me and Jack have been the most respectful to each other as we should have been in the relationship. And yeah, I don't know. We should have talked to each other nicely and hyped each other up more and been that person for each other. But I think it just got to a point where we were spending so much time together and we were with each other every single day, all day, every day, that it kind of just got to a point where it was like, I don't know, we just both...

Speaker 7:
[35:06] We were just fighting like brother and sister.

Speaker 1:
[35:08] Do you feel like she respected you?

Speaker 7:
[35:11] Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah, we both respected each other. Obviously, when you have those bad moods and you're frustrated with your partner, we both get a little antsy and say things you don't mean. But I mean, overall, of course, I feel like we both respected each other when it was really, really good.

Speaker 8:
[35:26] We actually gave you shit also on the show. It sounds like we gave you a lot of shit. But we also gave you shit for not standing up for yourself, it felt like at times. And I know it's weird because the whole show, like we only live one side of it. We don't live their side. And so, like inevitably, the entire time, we're like, you know, us against them, like screw the girls. But anyways, we gave, not to screw the girls, but you know what I mean, we're living our truths and we don't see you guys. But we would give you shit because we would literally be at a bonfire, it'd be a clip of her like getting railed by Preston. And you would just be like, good for her, like I love her.

Speaker 4:
[36:06] Because he didn't want to look like a hypocrite.

Speaker 6:
[36:07] No, that shit pissed us off, bro.

Speaker 9:
[36:09] We didn't go on a show to just talk highly of each other 24-7. We wouldn't be on Temptation Island if we didn't just only have nothing but positive.

Speaker 8:
[36:17] It felt like we had some moral high ground because we were like, we're not going to talk bad.

Speaker 6:
[36:23] We're not talking bad about our girls. That's not what we were about to do.

Speaker 8:
[36:25] That's just how we felt.

Speaker 6:
[36:26] And we also told the girls too, don't talk down on our girls. They knew that.

Speaker 8:
[36:29] Yeah, and they did it.

Speaker 4:
[36:30] But I'm telling you right now, the only reason that Jack reacted the way he reacted whenever he saw that happen is because he knew, he knew he did not want to look like a hypocrite. Deep down, you know that shit fucking hurt. Okay, so you were just, you were putting on a show the entire fucking time, like you weren't being your genuine self and showing your genuine emotions. Like you were putting on this front so that way you could protect yourself in the long run when it came to social media and what people were going to think of you. That's why he went about it the way he went about it. He didn't want to seem like-

Speaker 7:
[37:04] I didn't want to seem like a Grant, dude.

Speaker 6:
[37:06] But no, but doesn't it, we all feel like it looks bad when you see Cheyenne getting fucked.

Speaker 4:
[37:13] Can we stop?

Speaker 6:
[37:15] I'm saying when we're seeing Cheyenne do what she was doing, and your only emotion is-

Speaker 4:
[37:19] That shit's not funny.

Speaker 6:
[37:19] Like I'm happy for- we was all like, what the? We had bigger reactions to that shit than you. So we kind of had us like-

Speaker 8:
[37:27] We gave you shit.

Speaker 6:
[37:28] We gave you bad shit for that shit. What the fuck is this?

Speaker 7:
[37:31] In that moment in The Villa, I had no room to judge what Cheyenne was doing. I mean, I feel like I was in the wrong. I had already done what I had done. I had already hurt her and it was like five days in, and the fact that I had to let Cheyenne go through. The amount of time we were there at the very beginning, and on top of that, she just met the girls and it's like, I don't know how she's doing. So I'm sitting there like, I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[37:55] Why didn't you guys, instead of giving him shit, why didn't you just man to man, just sit him down and try to have a heart to heart, rather than give your boy a hard time?

Speaker 8:
[38:07] When I say give shit, I feel like that's kind of what I meant. I thought we did that. We did that.

Speaker 6:
[38:12] It's just, it felt like Jack was, but it was like Jack shitted on himself in the house, where he always kept saying, I'm not good enough, I'm not good enough. And that shit would piss the three of us off, because we're like, bro, where the fuck are you getting this shit from? But then finding out now that Cheyenne is so fucking supportive of him and all this other shit, it's like, why are you shitting on yourself like that? You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1:
[38:34] But isn't there a way to hold your friend accountable while still supporting him?

Speaker 8:
[38:38] We never were like, oh, good job cheating. We held him accountable. We held him accountable.

Speaker 4:
[38:44] But at the end of the day, he took it for the team. At the end of the day, he was giving Netflix what they wanted from Temptation Island. So it's like, you guys aren't gonna sit there and be like, what the fuck are you doing? I saw it.

Speaker 10:
[38:55] Your first time Jack cheated, if I saw him, I was asleep when this all went down. But if I was there and I saw him starting to do bad, I would have grabbed him by the shoulder and not let him do that. But once I woke up next morning, I was like, you already cheated. You already cheated. I'm not going to try to condone him now when he's already done it.

Speaker 1:
[39:15] Not condone him, but you can just ask him, why do you think you did that?

Speaker 11:
[39:19] I did that.

Speaker 4:
[39:21] This is the thing. It hurt bad enough to see him cheat the first time, but then it just kept getting worse and worse and worse and worse. And the clips that I saw at the bonfire, half of them were cut out. From the show? Yes, half of them were cut out from the show. So it's like what I saw, like it's almost you guys could have, whatever happened happened at this fucking point. I really don't care, but you guys could have just been like, Jack, like why would you be like, go all in then? Like if you're going to cheat, go all in. Like at some point you could have been like, you fucked up, like take a step back and really think about what the fuck you're doing. You've spent six years with this girl, like really think about what you're doing instead of just being like, it's a fuckfest.

Speaker 6:
[40:06] Did I not say that?

Speaker 7:
[40:07] You did.

Speaker 6:
[40:07] Like did I not say that to you?

Speaker 7:
[40:09] They did. I just didn't listen. And I'm going to say this for all three of them. They did.

Speaker 10:
[40:14] It was a mentality too that like you guys were kind of both single once you both like cheated and like you're now exploring yourself.

Speaker 6:
[40:21] Because I reminded him of the shit you said on the first day we met. You said, if you fuck up, it's one of those ones. You get what I'm saying? You said it's up and I said, you remember, it's up.

Speaker 1:
[40:32] Why were you, it seemed like you guys were more invested in their relationship than your own.

Speaker 6:
[40:36] Because it was just the fact that like looking at Jack was just like, we felt bad. Like the way Jack would like, I've never seen a grown man talk down on himself before. Like to really shit on yourself.

Speaker 4:
[40:47] Okay, but you know Jack in real life now and that's not Jack doesn't, he doesn't talk down on himself. Okay, so why all of a sudden he's talking down on himself on the show? Probably to make himself fucking look good. I don't really know because Jack, that's not who Jack is. Jack is confident as fuck. He's a very, he knows who he is. He knows he's a good looking guy. Like he knows all of this. So it's like why all of a sudden Jack, like when we've been in this relationship for so long, you haven't ever talked down on yourself like that. So why in the house are you all of a sudden talking down on yourself? I just don't get that because that's never been a thing in our relationship. Like if anything, you've always been the guy that's like, you know who the fuck you are. Like you've always said that. So it's just hearing them say that you were talking down on yourself acting like you're not good enough. Like that's crazy to me because I've never heard that before.

Speaker 7:
[41:37] I just think it was the emotions in the house. I mean, I can't even recall. Like I said, I haven't watched the fucking show. So I can't even recall the bonfire, but I just know with some of the stuff you were saying in the bonfire that it... No. I don't know. Like I told them, it's all stuff I've heard, but it's all stuff I've heard when we were super mad at each other. You're talking to another fucking man. And like, I just like, I don't know. And then the way that, which you probably checked him after he said, I was broke. But I mean, I didn't know if you checked him because you just cut off and then.

Speaker 4:
[42:16] But like, seriously, like me calling you broke. Like, dude, that's a reason to cheat? Like, I just, I don't understand that.

Speaker 7:
[42:25] No, there's no reason. There's no, don't say there's that reason. That's not a reason.

Speaker 4:
[42:29] Okay, then what the?

Speaker 7:
[42:29] There's no, first of all, there's no.

Speaker 4:
[42:32] You just said that the reason that you went and moved the way you moved in the house is because you saw what I said offended you.

Speaker 7:
[42:40] Yeah, you're right. I got cheated and, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4:
[42:47] Okay, that's it.

Speaker 1:
[42:48] Do you think you, I mean, just, do you think you have some insecurities about yourself you haven't fully tackled?

Speaker 7:
[42:53] No, I think I figured all those insecurities out after me and Cheyenne broke up.

Speaker 1:
[42:57] What were those insecurities?

Speaker 7:
[42:59] I mean, first of all, not being able to be alone. I couldn't do things on my own. My overall body, I got, I started running and fucking working out and like losing weight again and like actually like focusing on myself and putting time towards myself after the show and.

Speaker 4:
[43:15] Did you? Because last I checked whenever you got back from the show, all you were doing was constantly getting fucked up and then when we finally sat down and had that conversation, I sat there and I told you like this isn't.

Speaker 7:
[43:26] You're good.

Speaker 4:
[43:27] No, it's not that I'm good. I'm speaking the fucking truth.

Speaker 6:
[43:29] Let's talk to her, bro.

Speaker 4:
[43:30] I'm speaking the truth. We had that conversation and I have done nothing like I have multiple times in this relationship is push you to be a better fucking version of yourself and you can't seem to accept that I have done that for you.

Speaker 7:
[43:41] You have.

Speaker 4:
[43:42] Okay. So, why couldn't you have said it? Why can you say it now to my face, but you couldn't have said it whenever I'm behind closed doors? It's like, you know when you got back from that show, you were doing nothing but getting fucked up and turning back into the old version of Jack that you weren't before you went on to that show. Then, we finally decided we're going to continue to be in each other's lives. We're going to be friends. We're going to be support systems for each other, whatever. I'm the one who's texting you every single day, like, hey, how are you doing? Did you go on your run? Is everything good? It's like, I don't understand. You didn't do that. You fell right back into your old habits in the first thing you told me when you got off the island. You want to know what the first thing you told me was? Do you remember?

Speaker 7:
[44:28] No. I don't remember even the island.

Speaker 4:
[44:31] Okay. Well, the first thing you told me when you got off the island was, you know the one thing I learned? I said, what did you learn? You said, that I'm going to smoke weed and I'm going to do whatever I want when I want and you're not going to tell me otherwise. Okay. That's fine. That's fine. But you failed to remember that the reason that I don't want you to do, you can do whatever you want, bro. You can smoke weed. That doesn't bother me. But I'm not saying that in a way that's like, I want to tell you what to do. I'm trying to just help you grow and help you. I want you to realize that you could be so much more because you have that potential. But when you're constantly drowning yourself with things that don't help you, it's hard to be the best version of yourself. But you take everything that I say and you take it in such a bad way, and that's not how I am trying to make it seem. My goal is to never give you rules or to tell you what to do or what not to do. It's just like, I want you to be the best version of Jack. I feel like I have done that for so long in the relationship. Whenever it comes to me and pushing me, I don't get that. It's just like, why don't you do it with me type of thing? It's like, I just feel like when we were in the relationship, it should be nothing but pushing each other. I felt like I was constantly pushing you but not getting it.

Speaker 7:
[45:50] Yeah, I failed. I didn't do that. I took all that for granted, and I'm sorry that I did that. I'm sorry. I took the whole relationship. I took you as a person for granted. I took all the time we spent together for granted and I would never take any of that back a day in my life. I appreciate everything. I want you to be happier than you ever were with me, no matter what path you go down. I want nothing but success for you. I mean, I owe nothing but the truth to you about everything I experienced in this whole situation, so I mean, that's all you deserve.

Speaker 1:
[46:20] Do you realize how much she cares about you?

Speaker 7:
[46:23] I mean, Mikey is like my biggest hype man when it comes to that. He texts me all the time. He's just like, she loves you, like, you know, and she did love you, and she will always love each other. That love will never be gone.

Speaker 1:
[46:35] Why do you have such a hard time taking the love that she has for you in a way that will actually help you? Because it seems like she really cares about you in ways that, like, she probably should have given up on you a long time ago.

Speaker 7:
[46:48] Oh, she should have kicked me to the fucking rocks. Like, I don't even deserve her loving me still.

Speaker 4:
[46:53] I have always seen so much more in you, and, like, that's not... It was never to, like, I never wanted to get rid of you. Like, I've always, I feel like if anything, I've fought for you so hard. Just, like, you've fought for me too, but it's, like, I truly don't think you realize, like, how, like, how bad, like, I rode for the relationship, you know?

Speaker 1:
[47:14] What are some things about Jack that you really love about?

Speaker 7:
[47:20] That's a great question. Stop. It's okay.

Speaker 4:
[47:24] You're good, bro.

Speaker 1:
[47:25] You're good.

Speaker 6:
[47:25] You're good.

Speaker 7:
[47:26] You're good.

Speaker 6:
[47:27] Let it out. Let it out.

Speaker 3:
[47:31] It's hard for everybody.

Speaker 1:
[47:32] You're good.

Speaker 4:
[47:44] They're not. Don't cry.

Speaker 1:
[47:48] Oh, you're over here by the crack.

Speaker 3:
[47:55] What are you feeling right now, Jack?

Speaker 7:
[47:59] I regret my actions, the way I treated her, the way I took everything for granted.

Speaker 1:
[48:06] You know, it's interesting, like, it seems very real and there's a lot of love, but like, maybe I'm crazy, but I don't feel like the show broke you guys up in a way. And I feel like if you were willing...

Speaker 7:
[48:17] I think we're just crazy.

Speaker 1:
[48:19] I think this is what I think. We're all crazy.

Speaker 4:
[48:22] I think that no matter what, at the end of the day, like, I will always have love. Thanks. Not like, not like, let me look a minute, whatever. I think that I'll always have love for Jack, no matter how things went on the island. And the people that are like wanting me to hate him and wanting me to bash him and wanting me to just tear him into shreds. It's like, you're just not going to get that from me because I do love him. I like, no matter what, like, I really do love you and that's not going to change. And I know you regret what you did and I know how bad you felt for what you did. So, there's no reason for me to make you feel worse. You know.

Speaker 7:
[49:07] I love you, but I wish you the best. I don't, I wish I could have you still, but I'm fucked.

Speaker 3:
[49:15] Jack, have you thought about therapy? Has Micky encouraged you to maybe talk to him?

Speaker 7:
[49:21] Yeah, we've had a lot of conversations about that. I mean, I think I sit on the phone with him maybe once every two days, maybe talking, he just rambles, but yeah.

Speaker 3:
[49:30] So, Micky's your therapist?

Speaker 1:
[49:32] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[49:32] I try, bro.

Speaker 7:
[49:35] He's a new type of therapist. He's changed a lot actually from the show.

Speaker 1:
[49:41] The part of you that we watched this on the show, and I think we're seeing it now, and it doesn't seem inauthentic, but there's something about you like, yeah, no, I'm a piece of shit, and yeah, she deserves better. But at some point, I don't know if it's a copout, but it does seem like you clearly are hurting. But what's stopping you from receiving Cheyenne's love in a way that's like, you know what? I gotta get my shit together. I should be, why don't you just use it as a way to hold yourself more accountable? Because you're a young guy. There's definitely a lot of life in front of you, and you could look back and really think of, that's the old Jack, but you seem so reluctant to take advantage of that.

Speaker 7:
[50:26] I don't even know. Can you tell me the question here?

Speaker 1:
[50:30] Am I making sense? Because it's the whole, yeah, you concede your actions, and almost the way you were saying it, it's just like, well, if you're so quick to be like, yeah, no, I shouldn't have done that. Yeah, I shouldn't have cheated. Why don't you just not do the thing that you're so quick to admit? It's awesome that you can take accountability and acknowledge it, but what's stopping you from just being a better guy?

Speaker 7:
[50:57] Nothing, honestly. I think right when I got out of the island, I think immediately my brain went to what the fuck did I just do, to I need to be a better person. My morals are not straight. I'm not a good guy. I didn't treat her good.

Speaker 1:
[51:17] You know, I don't like watching the show. It's like these two should not be together. Yet, I'm sitting here, just like the love that you guys have is so palpable and obvious. Like it's hard not to, I honestly, I feel like my perspectives change. I find myself rooting for you guys, which is probably bad advice.

Speaker 11:
[51:39] I'm rooting for you guys.

Speaker 1:
[51:42] Guys, stop. And sometimes hope is like, hope can be a good thing and also in these situations, it can be like your worst enemy because like you have so much history, you see the good in each other. Like I hate to ask, but is there a world, I don't get the sense that you guys have given up on a possibility of ending up together. Would that be fair to say?

Speaker 4:
[52:04] I mean, I guess never say never, but I think right now, especially after this experience, just like we've really got to focus on us and maybe just creating a good foundation of just a great friendship, and if we can't seem to be friends, I mean, I wouldn't say like.

Speaker 1:
[52:24] I don't think you guys can be friends.

Speaker 4:
[52:26] Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[52:26] If I could just be honest.

Speaker 10:
[52:28] That's good. I don't think so. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[52:30] You guys have seen Wolf of Wall Street, we're not friends, you know what I'm saying? But.

Speaker 7:
[52:36] Friends from afar.

Speaker 4:
[52:37] I think that if everything could go my way, I would want to be with Jack at the end of the day, and I would want to try again, but right now just isn't the time. That's not to say that it couldn't happen later on down the road.

Speaker 1:
[52:52] You mentioned that Jack's close with your family. How did your family feel about watching this all go down?

Speaker 4:
[52:59] We all went to dinner right before we went to the island, and Jack sat down with my entire family, and they were just like, tell me your intentions. Are you going to cheat on my daughter? What are your intentions? He said fullheartedly, I'm going to prove you guys wrong. He said it straight to my dad, straight to my mom's face. He said, I'm going to prove you guys wrong, and you guys can have these doubts about me, but it's not going to happen, and then it happened. So my parents, my family's immediate reaction was, what the fuck? That is not the Jack that we have been around for so many years. But it's crazy because it's like, they know this side of Jack, and they don't recognize the Jack that is shown, and it's crazy, but they still love him. They still text him every single day making sure he's okay. They love Jack down.

Speaker 3:
[53:58] I don't think you got a chance earlier, but what are some of the things that you and your family love about Jack?

Speaker 4:
[54:03] He's just like, as much as I have not talked so highly about Jack, or I've said things that I don't mean, it's like Jack has been there for me through so much. He has helped me accomplish everything in my life. If it wasn't for Jack, I wouldn't have half the things that I have. He's just helped me so much, like my style, everything. It's from as simple as the way. I don't even know. It's just everything. If it wasn't for Jack, I wouldn't be where I am today. It's deep. Everyone that is in my life knows that. He's just great. He's great with my nephews. My nephews adore him. There's a lot of things to love about Jack.

Speaker 1:
[54:55] Do you think you have a habit of self-sabotaging?

Speaker 7:
[54:58] 24-7. I feel like I constantly like self-sabotage and I judge myself a lot. I feel like I'm hard on myself a little bit.

Speaker 1:
[55:08] What are some of your biggest insecurities outside of, I know you shared a little bit, but my gut tells me those aren't your biggest ones.

Speaker 7:
[55:19] I don't know.

Speaker 4:
[55:20] Damn, you didn't even get this deep in the confessionals.

Speaker 11:
[55:23] You're pulling a side out of you I haven't seen.

Speaker 7:
[55:25] Probably my adoption.

Speaker 8:
[55:27] It's my biggest insecurity.

Speaker 4:
[55:29] From what we've talked about and when we have gotten deep about it, I know he's going to break down, but I think it's more of just feeling the love of everyone around him, and I think that it kind of stems from a, it does stem from that. I think that at points he doesn't feel that he's loved from, he has an amazing family. His mom and dad and his brother, they're literally the best. That's not what I'm meaning. He gets the love from them. He knows that. That's not what I'm talking about at all. I'm just saying, I think that he's always felt in some type of way that, I don't know how to put it. I wasn't- He's unwanted.

Speaker 1:
[56:18] Unwanted, yeah. I'm sure that's, yeah. Tough to process. Also, I imagine when we go through difficult times, like you guys, you guys have clearly leaned on each other. No one can relate to this experience except for what you guys went through. And obviously, I imagine it must be difficult to find people to relate to that type of feeling.

Speaker 7:
[56:39] Like never anybody. But it's okay.

Speaker 3:
[56:43] You said you wanted to be your authentic self. Who is that?

Speaker 7:
[56:48] Me. Hi, guys.

Speaker 1:
[56:53] Well, listen, I really appreciate your vulnerability. You all seem like great people. I think a lot of obviously people are watching the show and it's easy to judge and critique, but you're a really young guy with a lot of life in front of you and a lot of potential. And I hope that you reach it and you certainly can, but it won't happen until you face some of your demons.

Speaker 4:
[57:15] But the show also doesn't define who you are.

Speaker 9:
[57:18] Like there's not a lot.

Speaker 4:
[57:19] You can always show a different side that wasn't shown. And I think that that's something that you just need to do. You just need to put it out there and you just need to really show like the version of Jack that I know. I know the side that you showed on the show is like the worst side of you, but that's not who you are. And we all know that that's not who you are. And you just need, you need to show that.

Speaker 3:
[57:41] It's beautiful. You don't have to reinvent yourself over and over and time and time again.

Speaker 4:
[57:47] Right.

Speaker 3:
[57:47] You know, like.

Speaker 1:
[57:48] I've done that a million times.

Speaker 4:
[57:49] This is just the start. Like you have a rough start. Like it's coming at you hard, you know? Like the internet's really coming for you, but just look at it as this is the lowest you'll be and just grow from here.

Speaker 1:
[58:02] That's deep. That's dead. That's back.

Speaker 4:
[58:04] That's real.

Speaker 1:
[58:05] Well, before we move on to Scarlett and Cole, if you don't mind me saying it, if I could just offer you guys some advice. If there's any hope that you guys end up together, do me a favor and don't try to be friends until you're not friends. And I know you guys care a lot about each other, and it's probably easy to always go to each other during hard times, but respect the relationship that you guys had, and it's not as friends. Yeah, you'll be best friends if you're together, but if there's any hope for you guys, it's not going to happen if you try to be friends in between.

Speaker 3:
[58:42] Try to not care that you're doing other people and you're doing other things.

Speaker 1:
[58:46] Don't torture each other. Either let each other go and know that you have a support from afar, or give it a shot.

Speaker 4:
[58:54] One more thing I want to say before we move on. Another thing that just wasn't shown in the show is at our final bonfire, we had a moment where we literally just started busting out laughing. We have such a weird dynamic and we have been so close for so long that it's like, I couldn't even take him serious. What I was seeing in that house was just like, that is not Jack. I literally have no idea who this man is.

Speaker 11:
[59:20] You said that all the time.

Speaker 4:
[59:21] Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[59:21] Every day you were like, that's not Jack.

Speaker 4:
[59:23] Yeah, this is not Jack. I have no idea who this is. And so it's just like whenever we went to make our final decisions of who we were going to leave with or what we were going to do, it's like when I looked at him, I'm just like, we just started dying laughing because I'm like, what the fuck was that? What was that? That is not what we have been for six years.

Speaker 1:
[59:48] Well, it's interesting because again, we all relate to these first toxic loves, but it's also like, I think we get surprised how much we get comfortable with the pain that we cause each other. You know, we sometimes miss the pain, we get familiar with it. That's why honestly, no offense, Mikey, I commend Sydney because it's not easy to walk away from something you're so comfortable and used to, and you even get comfortable to the pain that you guys call each other because sometimes the make up is great, you know? I know that's right.

Speaker 3:
[60:21] It's giant. The make up is giant.

Speaker 1:
[60:23] Wait, what? Speaking of, I don't know if you want to give your man some props because the internet thinks he's not giant.

Speaker 7:
[60:32] I'm a fucking small boy.

Speaker 4:
[60:34] He's not, guys, I'm telling you.

Speaker 7:
[60:37] I saw that.

Speaker 8:
[60:38] I started laughing.

Speaker 4:
[60:39] If I could have had Jack in the bed, I would have chose Jack any day, so.

Speaker 1:
[60:44] Have you guys hooked up since Temptation Island?

Speaker 4:
[60:46] Fuck yeah. No, we have not. He's lying.

Speaker 7:
[60:50] One time.

Speaker 3:
[60:51] You said three times?

Speaker 7:
[60:52] I said one time.

Speaker 3:
[60:54] He's such a liar. Well, thank you, both of you, for being so vulnerable and open, Jack. It was very beautiful to see that side of you. I think we all knew it was in there, but it was nice to see.

Speaker 7:
[61:06] I'm glad it came out, I guess.

Speaker 1:
[61:08] Yeah, we appreciate you.

Speaker 7:
[61:09] Maybe.

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Speaker 1:
[65:20] And we're back to part 2 of the Temptation Island Season 2 Reunion.

Speaker 3:
[65:24] Moving on to Scarlett and Cole. Scarlett and Cole came to the island to regain trust in their two-year relationship and dig deeper into their issues. While Cole maintained his physical boundary of temptation, Scarlett formed another connection that reminded her she didn't need to settle. And while Cole was ready to commit, Scarlett decided her journal was not the only man she wanted to read.

Speaker 1:
[65:47] Scarlett and Cole, I got to know, how did you cross that bridge of living together once you got back home from the island?

Speaker 11:
[65:54] We took a little space when we got back and I really needed a reset. And I think a lot of things were brought up for me there. I think I was exhausted from trying and trying and another chance and another chance. And so once we got back, I was just kind of removing myself from the situation. And he stayed elsewhere for a little bit and then it wasn't too long. And we were like, you know what, let's figure this out. And, you know, I think that we just said, we're going to dive back in and we're going to do the work. And that's what we've been doing.

Speaker 1:
[66:29] Well, I definitely want to hear about how you guys dove back in, but I want to back up a little bit. A big theme of your guys' relationship on the show was talking about Cole's lying and the lack of honesty you had. But I don't feel like we really got to hear the context of what you guys were talking about. So can you shed some light on that relationship going into Temptation Island and give us some examples of why trust was such a struggle with you guys?

Speaker 11:
[66:55] So yeah, and that's the thing is going into Temptation Island, we were in such a fragile place already. And from the start of our relationship up until Island Time, I had been hurt over and over with lies. And it would be one and then he would be right there saying how sorry he was and it won't ever happen again. And then it would happen again. And it was breaking me, but I wanted this to work. And that's why I continue to put in the time and effort and give another chance. And you know, I see him and I love him. And I know that like, he's not intending to hurt me. It was more so he was just like scared that he would lose me, you know? And so I think it was just like a bad cycle and pattern that needed to be broken, but it was breaking me.

Speaker 1:
[67:51] What were some of the examples of the lies?

Speaker 11:
[67:54] So we were together and then we broke up. Wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 10:
[67:59] Let's start with the lies up until when we met. We weren't dating for a long period of time.

Speaker 11:
[68:04] Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 10:
[68:05] Well, then we dated and then broke up.

Speaker 11:
[68:07] Yeah. So when we first started dating from the very start, there were lies from day one.

Speaker 10:
[68:12] Seeing each other.

Speaker 11:
[68:13] When we were seeing each other.

Speaker 10:
[68:14] Not exclusive.

Speaker 11:
[68:15] We just started seeing each other. He was going to Hawaii. And he said, this girl that I was talking to before you is going to be there. I just want to let you know. And I was like, okay, are you sharing a room with her? He said, no. He gets back from the trip. I said, did you share a room with her? And he said, no. And I said, did you hook up with her? And he said, no. I asked him again, did you share a room with her? No. Did you hook up with her? No. And then finally it came out. They did share a room. They did hook up. That was very beginning. We weren't even together yet. I should have known then. I continued. I, you know, get into the relationship and it was things like that. Well, then we ended up breaking up and we take a break.

Speaker 10:
[68:55] You broke up with me?

Speaker 11:
[68:56] Yeah, I broke up with Cole and, you know, we had rushed into it from our previous. We were both in really long relationships, got out of those relationships and right away we got together. I realized I was not fully ready to be committed to someone else yet. I needed time to heal and like really process everything. And so we didn't talk for a couple of months. And but then, yeah, we start hanging out and just kind of started exploring the idea of dating again. You know, I mean, we would hang out here and there, but I still wasn't ready to be with him. And so it was like this wishy-washy gray area. Fine, do what you want, but don't lie about it to my face. So there were multiple occasions where, well, there was one specific I remember. I had gone away for the weekend. I'm hanging out with him right before I leave, you know, right when I get back. But I woke up feeling sick to my stomach. And I was like, I just feel like something happened last night. And I asked him, I said, what'd you do last night? And he said nothing. I said, okay. I fly home, hold on. I fly home and we were talking and I said, what did you do last night? And you said nothing. And I said, did you hook up with someone last night? And you said no. And I said, I'm gonna ask you one more time. Did you hook up with someone? And you said yes.

Speaker 10:
[70:10] Can I give context to that though? The timelines messed up. That was when we first started seeing each other like a year before that.

Speaker 11:
[70:15] No Cole, this happened multiple times when we were broken up.

Speaker 10:
[70:18] Yeah, but the time you're talking about was the time you were at a wedding in Charlotte.

Speaker 11:
[70:21] There were multiple times where he had slept with people and lied about it. Same thing.

Speaker 1:
[70:25] So she can't keep track of how many?

Speaker 11:
[70:27] Yes. So.

Speaker 10:
[70:28] We're not dating though, just to be clear.

Speaker 11:
[70:30] It's fine, but just don't lie to my face about it.

Speaker 10:
[70:32] I know, I agree. But I just, I don't want to act like I'm like cheating on her. I hear you.

Speaker 11:
[70:35] No, no, he never has cheated on me. To set that record straight, I've seen some things about that. He's never cheated on me. That it wasn't about cheating. As you see, I'm not worried that he's going to cheat on the island. It's not that that's not it. It's that I have no foundation here. It leaves me with anxiety and questions and stress, and it's like, when's the next lie going to be? There are so many examples like that to where I was just like exhausted. And then he says, you know, if you'll just be official with me again, there will be nothing else for me to lie about. And I was like, all right, let's fucking do it then. That's kind of when we get back together. And, you know, there's still been little things since then. And then that was basically the foundation of the trust issues.

Speaker 1:
[71:28] And that's, you know, it makes a ton of sense, and I appreciate you sharing that context. Cole, I'm curious, like, do you appreciate what she's saying and why she feels the way she does?

Speaker 10:
[71:39] Yeah, for sure. I mean, if you want to call it, I lied to her about things. If you want me to shed, like, not an excuse, but like why I lied about it, you could say, I feel like I didn't owe her the answer. We weren't dating. I asked to date you. You didn't want to date me, but you still want to meet my foot in the door with you. And I felt like...

Speaker 1:
[71:54] No, I hear you, but you're being a little, hypocritical is a little strong, but if you're not dating, be honest. I mean, for sure. When we first met, we weren't together, we were...

Speaker 3:
[72:08] I wanted to date him and he did not want to date me. Same thing.

Speaker 1:
[72:11] But we were very up front. We were like, we're not dating, so we have no reason to lie.

Speaker 3:
[72:16] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[72:16] And so here you are kind of leaning on the fact that like, we're not dating, we're not dating, I can do whatever I want. You could. And yet the fact that you lied is an example, it had nothing to do with whether you were dating together. In fact, if I'm Scarlett, I'm thinking he has more incentive to lie if we are in a relationship, because you couldn't even be honest with her when you could, like you had every reason to tell the truth, like she wasn't your girlfriend. So you know what I'm saying? Like you're still kind of like, we weren't dating, we weren't dating, it's like a justification.

Speaker 10:
[72:49] Yeah, if I did it over again, I would have just told her the truth, like I said, like, you know, it had been that black and white, and however she dealt with that, you know, that would be on her. But like I said, I felt in those moments, I was kind of like, I could even reworded it, and I think I talked to Mark on the show, but he's like, you could have said something like, I don't owe you that answer, like, you know, if you want to ask that question, we need to be dating. So like, either let's make this concrete, or like, we should stop having this gray, wishy washy, like, because she was seeing other people too. So it wasn't just like, you know.

Speaker 1:
[73:17] No, but I'm assuming she was honest about it.

Speaker 11:
[73:21] Why?

Speaker 10:
[73:21] Yes. I didn't like ask questions, though. But she asked, she, I feel like she's like, she likes to ask a lot of questions, you know, but it's not an excuse either, but it's just.

Speaker 1:
[73:30] Sounds like she just wants to know where she stands.

Speaker 11:
[73:33] I just, especially after I'd already been lied to, of course, now I'm going to ask even more. You know, we're working so hard towards trust right now, but I still have questions and I do question a lot. And like, I know that, you know, we're both just doing our best right now.

Speaker 1:
[73:47] So fast forward to you guys leave the island separately. I got to ask, like, why actually go back into this relationship? As much as you guys care about each other, it seemed like you got a lot of answers from going on Temptation Island. And yet here we are. Not that I'm not happy you guys are together, but I am just wondering, what did you think was going to be different?

Speaker 11:
[74:09] I just think I see Cole, and I, you know, the way that he is with me, the way that he supports me, the way that we live our life together, like, that's what I want. That's what I want next to me, you know? And I think that everyone can grow. You know, I have a lot of things I need to work on too, and I think that we're both doing a really good job right now of putting in that effort. And when I think of the father of my children, like, it's someone like Cole. And so I think, you know, yes, our problems have been put under this spotlight, and they've been very hurtful. Like, I have been very hurt, but at the end of the day, like, I just think that this love is worth it. I think he's worth it. I think, you know, this relationship is what I want.

Speaker 3:
[74:52] Has he lied to you since leaving the island, or no?

Speaker 11:
[74:58] Not to the severity of- You can ask Cole. Yeah. You can ask Cole.

Speaker 3:
[75:02] Cole, have you lied to Scarlett since leaving the island?

Speaker 10:
[75:07] Yeah, I mean, like, there's been some things that have come up, but we'll leave it at that.

Speaker 1:
[75:11] I'm like, what? I gotta ask.

Speaker 11:
[75:13] It's fine. You don't have to.

Speaker 3:
[75:17] I mean, you were saying not to the severity of what-

Speaker 11:
[75:19] It's just been like little things.

Speaker 10:
[75:22] I mean, ever since we've been, like, concrete in a relationship, there's never been something lied about that was like, obviously, I was with a girl or this or that.

Speaker 11:
[75:29] No, nothing.

Speaker 1:
[75:30] Yeah.

Speaker 10:
[75:30] It'd be like white, I guess I'm gonna call them white lies, but stuff about, like, I guess you could say the level to something like of that degree.

Speaker 1:
[75:37] Do you know what the lies are?

Speaker 3:
[75:39] You do. So this is something that y'all are working through. Are y'all in couples therapy?

Speaker 11:
[75:46] Not in couples. We're in individual.

Speaker 3:
[75:47] Individual.

Speaker 10:
[75:48] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we've talked about it. I mean, at the end of the day, it's like, I'm trying to, it's not about, like, trying to prove each other right or wrong. I'm just, like, trying to see her and she's trying to see me. And it's not that either of us are right or wrong. We just want to, like, work through it together. And every relationship has their problems. And I think what's cool about ours is, like, we've gone through a lot of shit, but we've never, like, given up on each other because we really do love each other. And I think in this day and age, a lot of people are quick to give up on that and not work through their problems. And, I mean, I, after the show, like, to be honest, like, we got home and, like, we lived together. So we went back to the same house and for a period of time, it wasn't good. And, like, I left for a period of time. There was a time when, like, it was just a very, like, stagnant relationship. But, you know, I started going to therapy. I think I journaled every day for, like, two or three months, like, twice a day. And just got, like, you know, worked on myself and she's working on herself. And I think over time, like, putting in that work and also giving her the confidence to, like, see me put that work in, I think helped her overcome some, like, insecurities with me and it's kind of molded into, you know, like, a beautiful thing and, like, I'd say lately, like, as far as I can remember, we've been in, like, a lot better place.

Speaker 1:
[77:04] On the island, so much of your frustrations with Cole were, seem to be his lack or inability to have a deeper relationship or a deeper conversation. How has that changed in your relationship?

Speaker 11:
[77:17] I've actually seen Cole really open up and go a lot deeper. And I think it's all about how deeply you've met yourself. And so I think with this inner work and with the journaling and with the therapy and with the, you know, issues that we've had, I think, you know, you meet yourself at new levels, which opens up, like, different conversations. And I really have seen a lot of that. And I feel like we're getting somewhere.

Speaker 10:
[77:41] And it's a beautiful thing because, like, me and her, like, really do love each other. And, like, I don't think on her side on the show that's shown to, like, the degree. I don't think she got kind of, like, a... People would, like, express to me that it seemed like she was very cold on the show. It didn't show a lot of, like, emotion towards me or didn't show that true love. And I know that's a bunch of bullshit. And she did. And I just want people to know that, too. Like, you could get lost in seeing the show at FaceValue for what it was and thinking, like, Scarlett didn't give a shit about Cole. And that's just not... That's, like, the farthest thing from the truth.

Speaker 11:
[78:10] Yeah, there was...

Speaker 9:
[78:11] We saw her every day.

Speaker 11:
[78:12] Every day.

Speaker 10:
[78:13] I mean, there's glimpses of her. I mean, yeah, we have, like, this crazy strong love, and that's why it was worth fighting for. And that would suck for me a lot in the relationship, too, because, like, I had so many things to offer and so many qualities, and we loved each other so much that for the trust to dampen everything else, like, that would obviously be, like, a letdown. And I wanted to fix that because I'm like, if we can figure that out or at least make it stronger, it's like everything else over here flourishing. It's just... It turns us into, like, a power couple, honestly, because we have so many things going for us.

Speaker 1:
[78:39] I gotta ask, though, if the lies aren't so bad or they're white lies, why are you guys so resistant to share what they are?

Speaker 11:
[78:48] You know, I feel that we shared so much and we really opened up and put ourselves on the show that I think from here, it's like, why am I going to open up anything else? Like, we did that. We're working through that.

Speaker 1:
[79:00] That is why we're here, though.

Speaker 11:
[79:01] Yeah, but I don't feel the need.

Speaker 3:
[79:03] To, like, give the audience more ammo against your own relationship.

Speaker 11:
[79:06] It's like we're really doing what we can right now.

Speaker 10:
[79:08] There was a lot talked about on the show that, like, we talked about that actually was never shown in the show. And so, like, you know, we did open up and, like, express our problems in certain situations of things that did happen and, like, really dive into it. And, you know, the overall theme is, you know, obviously the trust and, you know, things that stemmed into that. But I know where we are now. And, you know, with the show coming out, I think, like, you know, we fought it out. It can cut. Yeah, it kind of like, it kind of came out and we were, we were at Coachella and then we get back. And I think it was like we went at it for two or three days. And I think it's out of our system now. We got opinions from friends and family. I hear you.

Speaker 3:
[79:44] I will say, like, being vague about it only makes the audience wonder, question, and they're going to assume you're covering for them. And assume it's worse than what it probably is. And they're going to assume you're probably just lying to yourself about the relationship, which is what you don't want. So it's easier to just get, lay everything on the table if it's not as bad as what we've already heard that he's done. And you're working through it. Y'all are actively in therapy. You're actively working on your relationship. So you know.

Speaker 11:
[80:18] But. I hear you.

Speaker 1:
[80:20] But while watching it back, it honestly seemed like you brought Cole to the island for a way out.

Speaker 11:
[80:27] I've seen so many of those.

Speaker 1:
[80:28] And it almost felt like you kept moving the goalpost on Cole. But you would say that isn't accurate or unfair.

Speaker 11:
[80:36] Cole and I were set on leaving that island together. You know, like I thought it would be a breeze. Because when you're going on Temptation Island, the goal is like not cheating. You know, and so that's where we're like, of course we can go on here and make it to the end. Like we're not going to go on here and cheat. But that's not what it is. You get there and you really have to analyze your relationship. You are forced to dive in and talk about it nonstop and like really look at all the pieces that are not working. And you know, and so I think I was already like, you know, there had been so much. And so I think once being there and everything is just surfacing, I was like, I need space, like getting back. You know, I really do need to figure it out. And it's like, you know, I also see people, it's like you didn't even give him a chance to grow and like take him with you at the final bonfire. I haven't seen him. This whole time, I've seen clips and the clips that you see at the bonfire, that's not what they were showing me. I was seeing him not put in any work. I was seeing him just sitting in a corner being like, I'm not doing anything, you know, so I didn't know that he was really on the other end, like trying. And so for me, the things that he said at the final bonfire, I was just like, I've heard this before. I need to leave and see for myself.

Speaker 1:
[81:56] In what ways did he try? Cause it honestly looked like Cole, you were like going on dates with people you clearly weren't interested in.

Speaker 10:
[82:03] I mean, I wasn't interested in anyone in the house. And that's just the reality. I obviously love this girl so much. I don't think there could have been 12 high quality candidates that would have influenced it any better. I mean, like I was fully committed to going on the island, carrying myself in the way that aligned with my values and my morals and how my family raised me. And I was going to do that no matter if she went off the rails or whatever, like I was going to stick to that. And that's just who I am as a person. I carry myself on the island in the way that I'll look back on this 50 years from now and still have no regrets and respect in my kids and family and future wife one day will watch. And it's like we're all good. So I don't think I did everything that I did on the island and leaving it, it was, I mean, not going to lie, like I did get mad at the end. They didn't really show it to the degree, but I was frustrated. Well, I mean, they didn't show everything, you know, but frustrated and I feel like I was frustrated because I cared though, because I love this woman, you know. And yeah, like I said, it was hard when we got back for a period of time. And I felt all the feelings of feeling rejected or abandoned or this and that, and you know, it wasn't easy.

Speaker 1:
[83:07] During your anger, one thing you said is that you think that Scarlett has something she needs to work on herself, or maybe you mentioned past trauma or childhood or whatever. Is that how you felt or do you feel that way? Or was that just out of anger?

Speaker 10:
[83:22] A lot of it is anger. I think we all have stuff to work on. And you know, I have stuff to work on, she has stuff to work on, and that's on, you know, her time and her accord. And just to, you know, not make it, I guess, feel like it was all on me or it was all my fault. While like, you know, we left the island, obviously not together.

Speaker 1:
[83:39] The boundary you guys set in terms of not going on multiple dates with the same person, you seem to break that boundary. What was your reason for feeling like that was okay?

Speaker 11:
[83:49] So, you know, first date, I took Bradley on a whim. We had met the guys the night before and I just was like, all right, picked him. We ended up having a great time, but then we, you're right, we had said, you know, like, let's take someone different each time. The next time I take Clint and on Bradley and us first date, we had great conversations back at the Villa, great conversations. I feel like he challenged me, you know, like we really were diving in, like trying to figure out my problems, trying to grow. I take Clint and the conversations like he's great. I love him. I had so much fun with Clint. But it just, if I was looking for growth, if I was looking for answers, I was playing at surface level by taking someone new on every single date. I'm having to start the conversations back from square one. So third date, I said, I'm taking someone else new again. And I don't know if I want to say this, but the production was like, Scarlett, what are you going to get out of that? You clearly aren't having, you tried this last time and nothing came of it. And they were like, take Bradley. You clearly have the best conversations. You're actually growing from this. And I was like, you know what, you're right. If that's how it's going to be, then.

Speaker 3:
[85:09] Did you ever feel like you were tempted to get physical with Bradley or was it? Never.

Speaker 11:
[85:17] Bradley was seriously such a great friend for me. And what's not shown a lot is the conversations we had, where you can see how much we talk about Cole and I. You know, where he really was just like pushing me and helping me. And there was such a clear boundary with Bradley. He even jokes. He was like, one time I sat too close to you and you were like, scoot over. You know, like it was just very clear that there was never going to be a line crossed and he was just a great support system, a great rock. And I'm so grateful for him for that.

Speaker 1:
[85:49] There was a moment where you said that you didn't think, maybe I'm paraphrasing, but you question Cole's masculinity.

Speaker 11:
[85:57] I think we've talked about masculine energy, which is totally different than being like masculine. And so I think that that's where it got like misconstrued maybe. But no.

Speaker 1:
[86:09] Now I hear you, but like I think, you guys let me know what you think, but I don't know if I would hear the difference between questioning masculine energy versus like just his general.

Speaker 3:
[86:20] What is masculine energy?

Speaker 1:
[86:22] Yeah.

Speaker 11:
[86:23] I feel like it's a sense of like being grounded and like strong and knowing who you are and just being able to like guide and stand firm.

Speaker 3:
[86:36] Did you feel in that moment that Cole didn't have that? Is that kind of where that came from?

Speaker 11:
[86:46] In what moment?

Speaker 3:
[86:47] When you talked about the masculine energy.

Speaker 11:
[86:49] I never talked about it.

Speaker 10:
[86:49] She never talked about it on the show.

Speaker 1:
[86:50] Not on the show, but-

Speaker 11:
[86:51] Oh, in our relationship?

Speaker 1:
[86:52] In your relationship.

Speaker 11:
[86:53] Yeah. There's been times, of course, where I think that our energy is just like didn't align.

Speaker 1:
[86:58] I think it's less about the word energy. I just think a lot of guys, that would be hard to hear. It might even be true, but I just think-

Speaker 11:
[87:05] No, I get that, too.

Speaker 1:
[87:06] I think a lot of guys would almost rather see their girl make out with a guy than have their girlfriend question their masculinity or their masculine energy.

Speaker 11:
[87:14] I don't question his at all. Yeah, not at all.

Speaker 3:
[87:17] Reading the journal, you said she would not want you to do this before you did it, and you did it anyways. Do you regret doing that?

Speaker 10:
[87:28] Yeah, I shouldn't have read the journal. That's why I owned it on the show and I would have owned it in real life. Obviously, I read it for reasons that I did, but it's not an excuse. I read the journal and I shouldn't have read it.

Speaker 1:
[87:40] Did you think at that point maybe she was, like where was your mind when you chose to cross that?

Speaker 10:
[87:46] I mean, to be honest, I slept in two or three days, went over to their house. I mean, he's digging through the suitcase. I mean, we're all fucked up. I don't know.

Speaker 3:
[87:54] You did have some that be like, I don't know if you should read that.

Speaker 10:
[87:57] I don't even know if I heard it.

Speaker 1:
[87:59] You're like, do you think she'll be mad cut to Scarlett being like, we have one rule?

Speaker 8:
[88:04] She goes, we have one rule.

Speaker 10:
[88:06] Props to the show, they got me. They spiced up her bonfire clips where I was like, fuck, I think she's falling for Bradley. So I'm freaking out, I'm losing control. I go over there. It's not like in the real world where I can just text my girl and be like, hey, is everything good? What's going on? I'm like, the only info I'm gonna get apart from a shitty tainted bonfire clip is I can hopefully read a love letter in her journal and feel secure. I'm like, oh, I'm fine.

Speaker 11:
[88:29] I love that Cole is sitting there and he's like, what if they show this in the bonfire? I think doing it, I'm like, done. They're like, but they didn't. They didn't show it to me.

Speaker 4:
[88:37] That's probably why we had that last bonfire just thrown on us.

Speaker 9:
[88:40] Yeah.

Speaker 11:
[88:42] They didn't show it.

Speaker 9:
[88:43] They didn't show it?

Speaker 11:
[88:44] They probably just showed Cole not talking to anyone for the fifth time in a row. I was convinced, I was like, he would not do that. He knows that's my rule. So I was like, if you guys just show me a clip of him going through my journal, I will be done. And they didn't show it. So I was like, he didn't do it. The producers put it on top there to make me think that. And then he tells me at the final bonfire and that's when I was like, you just broke my trust even more. And that's when I was like.

Speaker 1:
[89:08] And where is your journal these days? Out in the open or locked in a vault?

Speaker 10:
[89:11] It's at netflix.com.

Speaker 9:
[89:12] Yeah, they locked it in a vault.

Speaker 11:
[89:14] No, I still leave it on my nightstand.

Speaker 10:
[89:17] It's actually my notebook.

Speaker 11:
[89:18] That one was, yeah. No, I have my real journal at home. It sits on my nightstand and I just trust it like that will not happen again.

Speaker 10:
[89:25] I've never looked at her journal in the real world. Let's just leave it at that. I shouldn't have looked in the journal and-

Speaker 1:
[89:30] Understood. Whatever part of your brain that thought, hey, I don't know what she's doing with Bradley, but this theme of white lies, big lies, lies, is obviously this lack of trust. And do you think your propensity to lie for whatever reason when you do plays a role in thinking, well, if I can lie and if I'm capable of it, maybe Scarlett is too?

Speaker 10:
[89:59] No, no. I mean, I don't think one liar makes another liar. I mean, to be honest, I've never caught her lying to me about anything, and I think since I've known her, so I don't really have anything on her.

Speaker 1:
[90:10] But why not trust her in that moment that-

Speaker 10:
[90:13] Oh, just because the show is so fucked up. I mean, they're just like- I mean, every bonfire, I would just be sitting there like, damn, this looks bad. And then I'm seeing all the shit happening to them, and I'm getting paranoid and freaked out.

Speaker 1:
[90:23] Yeah, but you were almost annoyingly self-aware of the cameras in a sense of like, well, which one is it? Do you know it's like kind of bullshit? Or that they're fucking with you?

Speaker 10:
[90:34] There was one bonfire clip where if it never happened, I would have been fine, but they made it look to me so bad. Or they spun it up or he's picking her up in the clip and then going down into the foam and then they showed some other shit. They were in the photo booth together and I don't know. I mean, I lost like 15 pounds on the show. I was stressed the fuck out.

Speaker 1:
[90:53] I hear it, but in all the production talk and blaming production, just to play, not even playing devil's advocate, but that's what this show is about. They're not just doing it to mess with you. They wanna see how strong your relationships are. Everyone comes into the show being like, we're strong, we'll never break up. And they're like, bet. You know what I'm saying? They want to see. That's why they're not showing you everything. That's why they're cutting things off. They wanna know. And that's kind of the point of the show is, are you gonna let your mind wander? Are you gonna think the worst thoughts? Or are you gonna trust your partner and not read her journal?

Speaker 10:
[91:26] It was mental warfare all the time of knowing what was real, what wasn't, what they're thinking. I can't talk to her. In the normal world, I just, hey Scar, I saw that today, is everything okay? And she's like, yeah, and explains it. You can't do that on this show. You talked to her at the end.

Speaker 8:
[91:41] But that is where you're saying where it's ultimately just a test of like, unwavering trust no matter what.

Speaker 11:
[91:47] It took all your heart.

Speaker 1:
[91:48] Yeah, you all forehandled that lack of trust differently. And I think that kind of speaks to where you guys were or weren't in your relationship.

Speaker 10:
[91:57] What do you mean?

Speaker 1:
[91:58] What do you mean?

Speaker 10:
[91:59] I mean like the-

Speaker 1:
[91:59] No, they all, you know. He's drunk. The Journal acknowledges he got messed with, you know. You moved a little bit differently than Cole, you know. So you didn't let those insecurities or whatever they showed you or didn't show you have you snowball. You trusted Kaylee. You're like, I know who my girlfriend is.

Speaker 8:
[92:17] I mean, we literally went into the show and I felt like we were like going off to war. Like your loved one was going off to war. We like wrote each other notes. And it was like, no matter what you see, it's going to be the worst thing. And like those notes is like really kind of what helped us get through the process of just like reading those and just like, yeah, having trust no matter what. Whenever someone asks about the show, I say it's a test of like, just like your backbone to just keep going forward.

Speaker 9:
[92:43] I think it's more than that. It's like trusting your heart and following your heart. Yeah. That's what really gets you through all of that.

Speaker 8:
[92:49] I mean, I guess for us where there's like definitely this unwavering love, like the love's never in question, I'm just saying the trust also that like you're not doing anything.

Speaker 6:
[92:58] I gotta be honest though, Kayleigh, you had great clips, bro.

Speaker 9:
[93:01] What do you mean?

Speaker 6:
[93:01] You had phenomenal clips.

Speaker 9:
[93:03] Of me?

Speaker 8:
[93:03] Because I was so well behaved.

Speaker 6:
[93:04] No, I know. I used to.

Speaker 9:
[93:05] Oh, you mean I behaved like an angel?

Speaker 11:
[93:07] Your clips were not that great.

Speaker 4:
[93:10] What they're not good.

Speaker 6:
[93:12] No, we used to spazz on Summit. We like, bro, we wish, we wish that's what our girlfriends and shames are.

Speaker 4:
[93:17] Summit was still trippin.

Speaker 6:
[93:18] Summit was trippin.

Speaker 8:
[93:20] It was what they talked about earlier.

Speaker 9:
[93:21] It gets so in your head, I get it.

Speaker 8:
[93:23] Yeah, and what we talked about earlier, where it really does hit a man's ego when you're getting talked shit about.

Speaker 11:
[93:29] Yeah, but we went on to the show to talk about that.

Speaker 9:
[93:30] But was I talking shit, or was I just speaking shit?

Speaker 8:
[93:32] We had this mentality of like, we're not gonna talk shit, so we felt this moral high ground. I'm just explaining how I feel.

Speaker 1:
[93:38] I mean, I will say like, she can say whatever she wants to me to my face, we will get through it, we'll talk about it. If she were to say that to a friend, or certainly another guy, that would hit there differently.

Speaker 3:
[93:51] But that is how they are supposed to learn about their relationship and grow, is to like lean on these men who are there for a reason, to talk about their relationships and what they're missing and what they're needing, and have these men give them advice from a male's perspective.

Speaker 8:
[94:07] That's a dangerous idea.

Speaker 11:
[94:08] Like if we were just sitting there talking about how much we loved our partner, like there wouldn't have learned anything.

Speaker 8:
[94:13] There's no show. And if I didn't have the big like, you know, animated reaction, then I wouldn't have learned either. If I just saw it and was like, I don't care, then like I wouldn't have learned either. You know, I needed that.

Speaker 10:
[94:24] I'll say too, like from the moment they picked.

Speaker 8:
[94:25] But it's all relative. Like for me, it was, it was, I don't know.

Speaker 10:
[94:30] I'd say like the feelings are like from the moment she like, yeah, we go on the show, we're like, we're gonna do this, we're gonna do that. I mean, when I was sitting in the chair and she picks a dude in front of me, I'm not gonna lie, I had some rage in my chest. I'm angry.

Speaker 8:
[94:41] I cried.

Speaker 11:
[94:41] I didn't like that.

Speaker 10:
[94:42] I don't want to see my girlfriend on a date with some like, I was mad at every bonfire. Cause going into, I'm like, I don't want to see her fucking with this dude. I don't want to see that.

Speaker 3:
[94:51] But I mean, you guys are together. Like y'all have made it through the hard part. Y'all are working on your relationship. What are like the guidelines and the boundaries you guys have in your relationship now that you did not have before?

Speaker 11:
[95:05] I think we weren't putting in this much work before. You know, I think it was just kind of like, I will say too, you know, our prior relationship, I don't, I think he put in like, or he was way more sure. Whereas I feel like, you know, I did have that time where there was that gray area and I was kind of in and out. So I just think since being back and since being back together, we're like, if this is what we're doing, this is what we're doing. We're both all the way in, we're both putting in the work, you know, I think the way that we communicate now is way more open and transparent, you know. Used to, I felt like he was super big with me. I would ask a question, I would get one word response. And I'm like, please, like I need more. And now he's like, this and this and that, and I'm like, perfect.

Speaker 2:
[95:48] He tells me to shut up. Yes.

Speaker 1:
[95:52] Would you say you're 100% certain that Cole is your person and you'll spend the rest of your life with him?

Speaker 11:
[95:59] I think so. I think. Yes. Yes.

Speaker 1:
[96:01] I know Cole's certain.

Speaker 11:
[96:05] Yes, I do. As long as we can just commit to the growth and like be better, you know. I think that, you know, I was getting so much shit for choosing myself at the end. And it's like, you can't just let yourself be miserable and like be so exhausted all the time, you know. And it's like, you have to choose you and you have to choose what's best for me. And I think Cole is absolutely what is best for me. And I, you know, just want us to stay on this track and then I think we'll be together forever. Just beautiful.

Speaker 1:
[96:36] Do you think he'll ever lie to you again?

Speaker 11:
[96:38] Probably. But not, you know, I think that maybe something, I think he's way more transparent now. I will say too, a lot of like the lies, it's not that he's done anything to hurt me, you know, but it's still a lie. And so.

Speaker 1:
[96:54] I would argue that being lied to is one of the most hurtful things in a relationship.

Speaker 11:
[96:57] I agree. You know, it did destroy me. It destroyed our foundation and it did hurt, you know, and it, yeah, but I really have seen.

Speaker 10:
[97:08] Part of going to like therapy and stuff too is like, maybe I would lie about something because it would like, it'd be like a white lie that just like came out of me. Like I just versus now I might think before you think and pause and then give a educated, thoughtful answer instead of just like telling her something that sounds good.

Speaker 11:
[97:26] Yeah.

Speaker 10:
[97:26] If that makes sense. Sure.

Speaker 1:
[97:27] Except that like, what about the times when she's like, no, but are you lying? And then she does the follow up questions and then in the past, she would still lie until she just caught you.

Speaker 10:
[97:39] That's happened a long time.

Speaker 11:
[97:40] Hasn't happened since before the island.

Speaker 10:
[97:43] I mean like, yeah, because she used to like question me so much because like she did not trust me at all. So we'd be walking on eggshells all the time. So I'm just being questioned all day long and that's not.

Speaker 11:
[97:52] Well, but he kind of taught me to do that because I knew once I asked the fifth time, I would get the truth.

Speaker 1:
[97:56] All right. Well, and not to go back there, but I do want to give you guys one more chance because I do think people are just going to assume the worst. But what are these little lies that have been told since you guys got back together?

Speaker 11:
[98:14] I'm thinking of one right now. Which one are you thinking of?

Speaker 10:
[98:17] I'm thinking of the girl. There was a girl that texted me that I ran into at a bar that I had a prior thing with when we weren't dating. And the conversation at the bar with the girl was short. And it was because I just ran into her. I'm not going to not say hi. And it was of the sorts of like, how's it going? And she was like, you've been off your social media for a month or this or that. And I was, the conversation was a bit like, I have a girlfriend. I live with my girlfriend, Scarlett. That was that. I went home that night, drove home, went to bed at 10.30 with her. And then I wake up in the morning with a text from 3 a.m. from the girl who's like, it was like a drunk text or something. And she said like, so good seeing you. Like I'm not, like it was a drunk text. And I just saw it and I was like, what the, like I'd never responded to the text, but I felt like an invasion of my privacy and my phone. Like why did this person text me that? Like it just, it was weird. It was like calling me off guard. So I deleted the text and then she found it on, she snooped through my phone one day, found the deleted text message. She asked me point blank and I told her like, what I just told you guys. And then I guess that was.

Speaker 1:
[99:21] You snooped in his phone?

Speaker 11:
[99:22] I did look at the deleted messages.

Speaker 1:
[99:23] Is that like kind of giving looking at your journal?

Speaker 11:
[99:25] Yeah, it is.

Speaker 10:
[99:26] My password is all zeros, like I mean I don't, I don't like hide my shit.

Speaker 3:
[99:30] Cole wins.

Speaker 9:
[99:31] I hope the world wins.

Speaker 11:
[99:32] Yeah, he's very open.

Speaker 9:
[99:34] I think we've all been through each other's partner's phones.

Speaker 3:
[99:36] He's changed shit now.

Speaker 10:
[99:37] I've never been through her phone, even when I've asked, but you know, I just, the point is like I'm very open, I don't hide shit from her. My phone, I don't, she wants to see some of my phone, my text messages just pop up.

Speaker 11:
[99:46] Yeah, it's not like he's like hiding his phone from me.

Speaker 10:
[99:49] Yeah, and when she told, I get why she was mad that I deleted the text, my reason, I understand.

Speaker 11:
[99:53] Well, I will say I asked if anyone had texted you that night because I was in LA and he said no. And I said, I asked again, of course, no. And then I said, I said, really, what about the date of, and said the date that it was?

Speaker 10:
[100:10] Well, the reason why I said, the reason why I said no is because I didn't know what she was talking about. I generally got out of the shower and was like, she had, there was like a concern on her face and I was like, what's wrong? And she's like, has a girl texted you recently? And I sat there, I'm like, You didn't remember deleting a 3am text? This is like a month prior. So I sat there, I was like, I don't know, what are you talking about? And then when she brought it up, she said, did this girl text you? And I said, yeah. And then I showed her the text and showed her I never responded and that was that.

Speaker 11:
[100:37] But for me, it was just more so we're working on transparency. Why delete it? Why not just be like Scar, I saw her last night. This is she texted me, but the deleted message made it feel shady to me.

Speaker 3:
[100:52] Did you just have like a gut feeling that something happened?

Speaker 11:
[100:55] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[100:56] Yeah.

Speaker 8:
[100:56] Have you ever tried just female intuition?

Speaker 11:
[100:58] Yeah.

Speaker 8:
[100:58] Overly transparent where you just.

Speaker 10:
[101:00] Yeah. The same girl commented on my Instagram story like two weeks later. And I told Scarlett like, yeah, just letting you know like this girl called my thing. I unfollowed her right there, point blank. And that was that. And she was like, thank you. I mean, I'm like, even with the text messages, I didn't lie. I was like, yeah, there's still texts in me.

Speaker 9:
[101:19] Here's my message.

Speaker 1:
[101:20] No, I mean, listen, you seem like a good guy, like you said, but the lying is weird. It's just super weird.

Speaker 8:
[101:27] That's why it's frustrating because it's like you're not intentionally trying to do it.

Speaker 1:
[101:31] Well, I think you're letting them off the hook there.

Speaker 8:
[101:33] It's just a lie.

Speaker 1:
[101:34] It just happens.

Speaker 9:
[101:35] Some of it does that sometimes.

Speaker 10:
[101:37] I think it's like disclosure and affirmation, especially the dynamic of our relationship then. Obviously, there's a lot of, maybe if we were fucking, yeah, like if we're perfect trust, whatever, maybe you don't have to disclose a girl messaging you that you don't respond to, but because the dynamic of where we were at that time, there's a lot, she didn't trust me. That would have been a good opportunity for me to be like, yo, this girl texted me just to let you know, I didn't respond, here you go, and like lift it at that, and you know, move on, which is how I would have done it over.

Speaker 1:
[102:06] What stopped you from saying, you know what, I gave you another chance?

Speaker 11:
[102:09] I did. I was not happy.

Speaker 1:
[102:12] Why didn't, well, there's a difference between not being happy and you were still willing to work on the relationship.

Speaker 10:
[102:17] That's where I actually-

Speaker 11:
[102:18] I can see where he's, you know, I don't know. It's been hard, not gonna lie. It's been so fucking hard, and there have been so many moments where we've, you know, been broken down and, you know, we still are, but I- like I said earlier, you know, I just feel like I'm willing to fight for it. You know, if he had cheated on me, no, I'm out. I'm out the door, you know, but it's- these are things that, like, I don't think he would ever hurt me, you know, in that, in like a bigger way. Yes, the lies do hurt a lot. Like, it really has damaged me so much, but I just think, like, Cole is an amazing guy, and I see him, and I, you know, I get to experience his love every day, and, you know, so some things are just worth working through.

Speaker 3:
[103:08] On the island, you said you felt like Cole held you back in ways. What did you mean by that?

Speaker 11:
[103:14] Not holds me back in ways, like, in life, like, because he pushes me, you know, we do all the things, but I think what I meant was holds me back from maybe being able to be fully Scarlett because sometimes, like, maybe the conversations weren't fully there, or I wasn't, like, getting my needs met there. And so I felt like I got a little disconnected from myself. I got a little disconnected from my spirituality. Like, I just didn't feel fully me, and I felt held back in those ways. And that was something that I really realized on the island. I was like, wow, like, there are pieces of me that have been missing and, like, that I'm not willing to separate from. Like, these things are really important to me. And so I think that's what I meant, you know, just by being held back from, like, my own self.

Speaker 1:
[103:58] Well, I'm glad you guys were able to work it out. It's good to see you guys back together. I really hope you can get through these lies. I will say, like, if you can't figure it out, it will be the end of you guys. Because, like, the thing about a lie, it's like a disease that grows. And then it doesn't even matter what the lie is, little, big, small, white lie. It's like, when you plant that seed of doubt, it's just really hard to grow the type of relationship you guys seem to work so hard on growing. And so, I hope you guys are able to work through that, because, yeah, a lot of couples have not made it work because of little things like that. Because someday you will reach your limit. And hopefully that doesn't happen.

Speaker 11:
[104:40] He's got this, don't you?

Speaker 1:
[104:42] I believe you've all got it. Well, we appreciate you guys for being vile and being honest. I know it's not easy to do, and since you guys are together, no one likes having their relationship picked apart. So I appreciate you guys being honest.

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Speaker 10:
[111:41] I think picking off Scarlett and just what I've learned is how much work is involved in creating a strong foundation and relationship with someone that you really love. I used to think you can love someone and then it's like you just go on cruise control, but it's like every freaking day. I mean, these problems we have, they're obviously a lot better, but it's like every day, I have to show up for her in a way that makes her feel safe, shows transparency, shows her the things that she needs, and then she reversed the things that I need, and it's a constant, not battle, but it's a full-time thing to really create something beautiful with someone, and you got to put work into it every day, and it gives your partner the confidence to trust you more when they see you put in that work, because they see the time invested. And so, it's not like you just wake up and go through life together. It's like, you know, it's the most important thing and the hardest thing that you can do, but it's so beautiful on the other side when you can make that happen. So, to find someone like her, it's worth it to do it with her. I think that's very rare these days to find someone that you're willing to go the mile, an extra mile with, and do the work, and maybe before The Island, that was something that I didn't have, like, that strong of a gun as well.

Speaker 5:
[112:46] Scarlett.

Speaker 10:
[112:50] Get it, Cole.

Speaker 3:
[112:52] That was beautiful. Summit, what about you?

Speaker 8:
[112:54] I learned so much, I feel like. It's hard to know where to begin. But I feel like almost oppositely from Cole, I feel like if there's anything I learned, it's that there's so much like grace that needs to happen in a relationship, and I agree, it should be work, it should be work every day to be the best versions of yourself, not only for each other, but as a unit. But ultimately, I almost feel like Temptation taught me a lot about just this idea of having grace, because I feel like we used to get on each other for all this little bullshit, and then after Temptation Island, all those little bullshit just seemed irrelevant to what actually really mattered, and that was the fact that we didn't want to live without each other. And all those little things just didn't seem like they mattered nearly as much anymore, and that almost made the relationship feel like way less work than we were making it seemed to be.

Speaker 3:
[113:48] Mikey, what do you find so funny about Summit talking?

Speaker 6:
[113:52] I just love how Summit talks. He's just so like, here with it. I just love how he talks.

Speaker 1:
[113:58] I'm really curious, Mikey, what did you learn about love and relationships from this experience?

Speaker 6:
[114:04] I learned that you have to be intentional within your relationship, or it'll be gone. I also learned that you got to be serious with yourself, and you have to be serious as an individual, because sometimes it's really time to grow up within your relationships. And if you don't do that, I'm a prime example of what will happen.

Speaker 1:
[114:26] How about you, Jack?

Speaker 7:
[114:28] Don't ever take your advice or anything. I feel like I took my relationship for granted. And I think when you're in that moment of that relationship, and during those really, really good times, you don't think about what if that wasn't there anymore. Just don't take anything for granted, especially your partner. Because once it's gone, it's gone and your feelings are hurt.

Speaker 6:
[114:48] Or maybe not gone. Oh, yeah. Do one more thing. It's not bad to be vulnerable. It's not a bad thing for a man to be vulnerable at all. And it's not bad for somebody to love somebody to the point where they want to cry every single day. That is not a bad thing. And I had to get that out because it's not a bad thing. And showing your emotions for somebody that you truly fucking love, that's not, and I would do it all over again. You get what I'm saying? So that's just something. I had to get out. So yeah.

Speaker 1:
[115:16] Well, before we get to the ladies, something I thought that maybe I just was reminded of watching you guys, because there seemed to be this theme with you guys being like, you know, we're good guys, we're not bad guys. And I would agree, you all seem like good guys. But it felt like watching this show back, I was a reminder that there's a huge difference between being a good guy and a great partner. Yeah. I think when the ladies are talking about bare minimum, I think that's, correct me if I'm wrong, kind of what you're speaking to. And I think sometimes we forget that there's so many examples of bad guys out there, that just because you're a good guy doesn't mean you're giving your partner enough and you're showing up in the ways that they might need.

Speaker 8:
[115:54] Yeah. Well, especially to like get girls like this, you know.

Speaker 3:
[115:58] Very true. Very true. Cheyenne, what through this process did you learn about love and relationships?

Speaker 4:
[116:03] A big thing that I learned while being on the island and just going through the experience was I really needed to take more accountability for the way that I would speak about Jack and stuff because, I mean, the way you talk about your partner can push them over a limit and that's what happened to me. And I think that at some point...

Speaker 7:
[116:24] No, no, no. I'm a bad guy. You're good. It's not your fault, dude.

Speaker 4:
[116:29] No, well, I'm just saying, I did learn like, at some point you have to watch how you're talking about the person that you love and just not take them for granted. And yeah, that's what I learned at the end of the day. It didn't end in my favor and it ended with a big heartbreak. But that's not... It's okay. It was good. It was... I wouldn't take back the experience. It happened. It is what it is and life moves on.

Speaker 1:
[116:56] You're definitely not a bad guy. You just got some shit to work through, bud.

Speaker 9:
[116:59] I know, yeah. Sid?

Speaker 5:
[117:02] I would say what I learned through my experience is that the foundation of your relationship really matters. So like, if it starts off rocky, then that's kind of what it will be. So when I went to the first bonfire and I saw what I saw, it triggered me back to where we started. And it showed that our foundation wasn't stable because I couldn't watch that and be like, oh, that's not Mikey. Mikey's not flirting with them. My first instinct was, that's exactly who Mikey is. That's who I've known Mikey to be. So I just, I feel like foundation is very critical in a relationship. Caraway?

Speaker 9:
[117:36] I feel like I learned that life is literally all about love and literally, what do we have in life if we don't have love? Like you would be lonely. And I learned through this process, I literally would sit there every day and be like, I think I actually love Summit more and more every single day. Than I did the day before and I don't know if it was the distance or just like really digging deeper within myself and realizing he really is who I want to be. Like living with 12 other guys and still just being like, literally all I want is my boyfriend right now. I don't know. I think I just learned love is everything and I just want to be with you for the rest of my life.

Speaker 1:
[118:23] Any chance in engagements?

Speaker 3:
[118:25] I think they got to get that dog first.

Speaker 9:
[118:27] Yeah. Yeah, let us get the dog.

Speaker 1:
[118:28] I don't know quite yet.

Speaker 7:
[118:29] We got to move in together.

Speaker 8:
[118:30] It is weird because I feel like I'm ready for it all, but I'm almost like, let's see. Take it one day at a time.

Speaker 4:
[118:37] Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[118:37] We don't want to rush anything.

Speaker 8:
[118:39] No.

Speaker 3:
[118:39] Unless right now, you want to.

Speaker 9:
[118:42] This is the place.

Speaker 4:
[118:43] Someone needs to spice this up.

Speaker 8:
[118:45] Spice it up.

Speaker 10:
[118:46] That's what he said on the show.

Speaker 4:
[118:48] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 10:
[118:48] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[118:49] It's not bringing back the trauma.

Speaker 1:
[118:50] We're just.

Speaker 10:
[118:51] That was a bad, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[118:52] And Scarlett, what about you?

Speaker 11:
[118:54] I feel like I learned so much and I really, Grace, I think that's a big one, you know, but I think too is like always remaining a team. And you know, it's not us against each other. It's us against like all of these different problems that are within the relationship. And so I think, you know, I can get so frustrated and he can get so frustrated with me, but it's like remembering to just come back together. Like we're a unit and we need to move that way.

Speaker 3:
[119:19] Well, I will say it was a great scene to see the three of you boys. I don't know where you were, Jack, but sleeping all in someone's room was a really sweet moment. They showed.

Speaker 8:
[119:30] I mean, it's not like we were sleeping with girls. That was a little embarrassing.

Speaker 9:
[119:33] I was jealous that you guys had each other like that.

Speaker 10:
[119:36] I'll say, the context is that his room had AC and I had like these big ass centipedes walking around my bed.

Speaker 6:
[119:43] It's okay, man.

Speaker 10:
[119:44] It's all right. The frogs that would get night and keep me up all night.

Speaker 6:
[119:50] It was just like the moments like that where we were just together. We were able to have, even though I was having nightmares and I woke up from my sleep. I know.

Speaker 1:
[119:59] He would have like sleep talk and stuff.

Speaker 2:
[120:01] He'd be talking like crazy. When people watch the show, they're probably like, oh my God, they're such drama kings.

Speaker 1:
[120:08] But really, like when you think that drama kings, that's a thing.

Speaker 2:
[120:12] Well, we appreciate all of you obviously for coming here today and being so open and honest and also for going on this show. I can imagine it is not easy to watch it back and have opinions of the world now, in your relationship, in your home, in your lives. But it was entertaining for us to watch, so we appreciate you all being vulnerable and giving yourselves.

Speaker 1:
[120:34] Naturally, I really appreciate it. You guys were an enjoyment to watch, but even today, it's not easy to do this. Thanks for showing up, especially you two. I know it wasn't easy and you two as well. So thank you. Although we're tempted to keep going, I think that does it for the Temptation Island Season 2 Reunion.

Speaker 2:
[120:57] So cute. As always, we want to thank the entire cast, our team, Netflix, and of course, Mark L. Wahlberg for this incredible opportunity.

Speaker 1:
[121:09] Well, this has been great, and I feel like I'm at the bonfire right now. If we could leave you all with one final message, love will persevere between two people who are right for one another. Bye-bye.

Speaker 2:
[121:22] That was great, everyone.

Speaker 1:
[121:23] Good job.

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