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[00:42] No cornerback run, no defensive tackle run. After round one for the Green Bay Packers, the board is set up nicely for day two.

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[01:13] You are Locked On Packers, Part of the Locked On Podcast Network, Your Team Every Day. I'm Peter Bukowski, and I cover the Packers for The Leap, a newsletter I would love for you to subscribe to. Thanks to everyone who makes Locked On Packers their first listen every day. We hope you like starting your day with us as much as we like starting our day with you here on The Locked On Podcast Network, the number one sports podcast network. Today's episode brought to you by our friends at FanDuel. Right now, new customers can bet just $5 and get $250 in bonus bets. If your first bet wins, head to fanduel.com to get started. We had plenty of trades in the draft. The Packers did not make one of them. They did not move up to get into the first round. We'll talk about who they could have taken with the 20th overall pick. It is a player that a Packers Tree GM ended up taking. And then look at the board. We will look ahead. Okay, what are the options at 52? And how does the way the board has fallen impact what we're thinking could happen here moving forward round three, round four, and how it sets up their strategy moving forward. It was a crazy draft and it was crazy in part because they dropped the time limit and that was that made it electric TV. The whole first round took three hours. That's the good stuff. There's no reason these teams needed any longer to make these picks and let's take it a step further. Let's make it two weeks earlier. There's no reason the draft process needs to be that long. Okay, soapbox rant over at 20. We were live on the squad show talking about what the potential options were. Chris Johnson was the one guy that they could have taken where you would have gone. That's it. That's the skeleton key to the whole draft. But you traded that for the opportunity to take Micah Parsons, right? To have Micah Parsons on your football team. By the way, you already had him for a year. And so now you get him for next year too. Now you don't have him first round pick next year either. But you'd rather have Micah Parsons than Chris Johnson and whoever they could take at 32 next year, right? It didn't have some laundry list of players where you're like, man, it could have been this, it could have been this guy, it could have been this guy. And that speaks to the draft. And we talked about that in the pre-draft process. There just weren't that many players where you could get really, really excited about, hey, they could get this guy and he could just change the whole team. No, it's not even at 20, which is a little higher than, you know, they've had some picks, certainly higher than you would have wanted them to have picked. And don't think that, you know, Brian Goodekins wasn't happy that they tanked that last game. Like that makes his draft picks a little bit higher. But we were doing it on the squad show and it's like, okay, Jermod McCoy, he's got this major injury red flag. He has not played football in over 400 days coming off ACL surgery. Yeah, he ran fast and jumped high and looked good in position drills and all that stuff. But like, he hasn't played football and we don't know if he needs another surgery when he can play football. Now he starts to fall a little bit. He makes it to 52. I think you've got to run that card in. There are still a ton of corners left on the board. So I think that in a lot of ways makes you go well, losing out on the opportunity to drive Chris Johnson. When you still have as of this minute, like at least three corners, you would feel really good about taking it 52. Jermon McCoy, Brandon Cisse, and Colton Hood. And we thought a month ago, Hood and McCoy were, if not no doubt, first round picks, pretty sure fire, top 35, top 40 kind of players. And now it is no guarantee at all that that's what happens. And so I was trying to get creative, like okay, maybe we just set the corner thing aside. Is there someone else in that range that went? And it's like, no, I don't think they would have been that interested in Peter Woods. I certainly was not that interested in Peter Woods. Keldrick Falk is one, the Titans traded up to draft Keldrick Falk. I think the Packers would have had a lot of interest in him. Had he been available, he wasn't, and in a lot of ways, thank goodness, because he's Lucas Van Ness, he's Rashaan Gary, he's a lot of those archetypes that the Packers love. He's big, he's strong, he's a good run defender, and his pass rush is purely theoretical. Totally and entirely hypothetical as a pass rusher. Doesn't mean he can't become a really good one. This is, you bet on traits on the edge. My guy, Malachi Lawrence, one of those guys that I thought could fall. I didn't really think that. I was, I was hoping he would. I thought he was going to go in the first round. No, I did not think he would go in the top 25, which he did. He goes to Dallas. It's a perfect scheme fit. He's so Eagles-y. I mean, I compared him to Josh Sweatt in my goodies guys, breakdown of him. He just, he looks like an Eagles pass rusher, Christian Parker coming over from Dallas. From where? The Philadelphia Eagles. So the way that this now, Cade McDonald, let's have a conversation. I personally would not have done that. Cade McDonald is still on the board. Kristen Miller. I personally would not have done that, but he's still on the board. I have those guys graded a little bit further down the board than most other people do, and that's okay. I understand I'm in the minority and those kinds of things. If I look at my board, forget the consensus board for a moment. I have Colton Hood and Jermon McCoy right in the same range, and I have Colton Hood ahead of Jermon McCoy. Now, the injury thing is the big question, but I really like Colton Hood. And so even if Chris Johnson had been gone, I would have been like, just take Colton Hood at 20, that probably would have been fine. I also had a first on Denzel Boston. I don't think you could have justified that there, but they still got guys in this range for me. Julian Neal, Trey Zune, Chris Brazel, Davison Ibn Nosen, who is a name that I've been hearing whispers about. Kristen Miller is still available. Chris Bell is still available. Grayson Halton, Cade McDonald, Caleb Proctor, Gabe Ackes, then Idenis Sutton. Like we just go down, on and on down the list. Now those are all second round players. Well, those guys are all still available for the Packers now. So there's nothing to cry about when it comes to players you couldn't get, even in a hypothetical sense. Like everyone agrees, Micah Parsons was worth the picks. No, and if anything, like Dexter Lawrence goes for the 10th overall pick and you go, actually the Cowboys probably should have gotten more for Micah Parsons than they did. If Dexter Lawrence is worth the 10th overall pick, which equates to like a late first and a second round pick, and Micah Parsons went for two firsts and a guy the Packers were going to cut anyway, that seems like pretty good business. So the Packers now are in a position where you can start kind of projecting down the board. All right, now the only two players have gone that were below 52 on the Consensus Board. And I'm a little surprised it's only 52. Judarion Price was the last pick in the first round from the Seattle Seahawks and Keelan Rutledge was 65 on the Consensus Board. And the Texans traded up for him for some reason. And I'm pretty like to go up two spots in the first round, they gave up a third round pick. And it was a third round pick, second round pick, swap. Like it was a really weird thing. A really weird thing. Now the last point I want to make is I know that there was some consternation. Okay, you know, the Vikings, they could get a really good player. The Lions, they could get a really good player. The Bears, they could get a really good player. Dylan Theinemann is a pretty good player and they needed a safety. Blake Miller is a pretty good player. They needed an offensive lineman. Caleb Banks is a wild swing, 24 years old, multiple foot injuries in the last year. That is a wild pick. They clearly think they need some interior defensive line help, but they moved on from JJ. Hargrave and Jonathan Allen after spending big money on them last year. Clearly they want an upgrade there. I don't know if he's gonna be healthy. I don't think Blake Miller changes my opinion on the Detroit Lions very much. Dylan Theinemann, maybe, but like had the Bears use that first round pick on Max Crosby, I would have felt much worse about the Chicago Bears from a Packers perspective. Had, you know, Akeem Mesadour or one of these these middle round pass rushers fallen. And the Bears got them. I would have been much more annoyed about that. Even even someone like Caden McDonald, I would have been more annoyed by than Dylan Theinemann, because their trench play is just still not good enough. It's just not. And so I think the Packers as they move into tomorrow are in a really, really good position to make some inroads on some key positions. And we'll talk about that next, Unlocked On Packers. The NBA playoffs are in full swing. Every possession matters. Every matchup is magnified and every game can swing a series. We've already had some awesome games in the NBA playoffs. And right now, FanDuel is giving new customers a great way to get in. On the action, bet just $5. And you can get $250 in bonus bets if your first bet wins. 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A lot of players that we thought were not gonna be, you know, high or middle first round picks ended up going. The desirability of some of these players, not what we thought it could be. Now, there's also a bunch of players available, and this is where I think it's important, that I just don't think the Packers would draft. So like after Jermaw McCoy, Avion Terrell is 20th on the consensus board. At 510 and three quarters, 186 pounds, a 495 RAS, I don't think he was ever in play for the Packers. So him still being on the board is good, because someone is probably gonna take him. And that's gonna push another player down, Denzel Boston from Washington. I don't think there's any chance, well, there's always a chance, that he gets to 52. Someone's gonna take him. That's gonna push another player down the list. Emmanuel McNeer Warren was seen as a pretty obvious first round pick, the safety. I don't think the Packers were ever gonna take that guy. Now, it starts to get interesting right here. Caden McDonald at 29. How many teams between the Packers and Pick 33 need a nose tackle? Well, the good news is, there's two guys that are gonna have to go between 33 and 51 to take them off the board, Caden McDonald and Kristen Miller. So put those guys near the top of the list for the Packers, because there is an enormous fall off at defensive tackle after this. So you've got Jermon McCoy and Colton Hood, the Tennessee Corners, right there. Then you've got this next group, Caden McDonald, the defensive tackle. TJ. Parker, the edge from Clemson. He was seen as a potential first round pick. I still think he's going to go. I mentioned Colton Hood, CJ. Allen, the linebacker from Georgia. I don't see it. He didn't test. So cross him off, but someone's going to take him. Cassius Howell. Someone that didn't get a pass rusher in round one is going to draft Cassius Howell. I don't think it's going to be the Packers. I don't think it was ever going to be the Packers at 6'2.5, playing outside linebacker. D'Angelo Pons was never going to be a Packer. Zion Young, with an athletic profile that does not fit with the Packers one. He's 6'6, 2'62, that's good, but not the elite athlete they tend to prize, especially in the top 100. Emmanuel Pregnon from Oregon, guard. And I don't think you can justify a guard at 52 for the Packers. Now, depending on how the board falls, but I think the board already exists such that it would make that impossible to justify. And then you get to Brandon Cissé, Lee Hunter, Kristen Miller. Lee Hunter came in for a visit, Kristen Miller in for a visit. So these defensive tackles that they're looking at, they probably thought Caden MacDonald would be long gone off the board. Now, he probably will still go between 33 and 52, but the longer he falls, likely, at least if form holds, the more it pushes down someone like Kristen Miller, who I do think could intrigue the Packers. Add a corner to this group with Brandon Cisse. 9-2-4 relative athletic score, 6 foot, 189 pounds. For me, a developmental player, but that's perfect for the Packers. Now, I don't, I think if they take him at 52, I will get it. There will probably be, when they get to 52, players I like better for the Packers there. I'm not as high on Brandon Cisse as others are, but I understand premium position in the SEC, why you would go that direction. I certainly would understand that part of it. I mentioned Kristen Miller. R. Mason Thomas was a player they were probably never going to pick. There's this group of linebackers here with Jacob Rodriguez and Anthony Hill, Jake Golde in here. Then you get into where you start to think, okay, Gabe Ackes, Jeremy Bernard, Chris Brazel, AJ. Halsey, who they had in for a visit. They had Brazel in for a visit. So a lot of the players that we thought, okay, these guys are going to be here for the Packers. Seems like they're going to be here for the Packers. Although someone's got to go, right? Someone's got to be drafted. But more than likely, another handful of players below 52 on the board are going to go. Guys like Trayden Stukes, guys like Jennings Dunker, guys like Antonio Williams and Zachariah Branch, maybe Eli Stowers goes, Keith Avney and Deontay Scott play corner, so they're going to get pushed up the board probably, like these slot corners are going to go at some point. So a lot of the guys that we thought just were not going to make it, are probably going to make it. Or at least a couple of those guys. And I would say, you know, remember we did our tears of like, okay, here's what the board is. I would never have thought to put Caden McDonald on that board because we just assumed he was going to be a first round pick. Well, right now, he's got to be at or near the top of their board with Kristen Miller. So now you've got two potential nose tackles who could be in play for you. And you've got three corners to the two Tennessee guys and Brandon Cisse, who are consensus top 50 players. That is perfect for you. Those five guys. So between pick 33 and 51, 19 picks you have for five guys. I think you feel like you've got a good chance of that happening. And they're not going to all come from 33 to 40. But now it starts to make more sense if the Packers want to move up for one of these guys. You take 153 and maybe you can move up to 47, 46. This becomes very intriguing for the Packers as they try and build potential trade up scenarios because players that they probably did not think were going to be available to them. Or suddenly, like if you thought if you if you told me on Thursday morning, the Packers were going to trade up for Colton Hood, I would have said they probably got to get to 30, 27, 28. Well, now, maybe you only have to get up to 35. Maybe you only have to get up to 38. Now, that's still going to take quite the haul. And take, you know, your that future fourth we talked about. You could take multiple future picks. We haven't seen a lot of future picks used in this draft yet. The 2020-2027 draft is supposed to be really good. But there are not, like, when we went through the process, I was going, you got to trade down. Well, now I'm convinced there's going to be someone for them to pick, someone that they want. And that has implications for what you look at at 84. And the way that this is this is shaping up with what teams are targeting, I think that also has a look of, okay, 84 could actually be turning out really good for the Packers, given the way this is breaking down, given the way teams have attacked their needs. Now, receiver, for example, we didn't see as many receivers go, that hit the under on receivers taken in the first round. That was one of my favorites. But that doesn't mean that teams are going to stop targeting receiver. Teams that wanted receivers are still going to be looking for receivers. But maybe this is not the draft for them to get one. Maybe they're going to look in a different direction. So there's still a lot of factors in play here. Let's put this together with what we know at 52, where they're looking, and then what that could mean for 84 and how that cascades through the draft. Let's do that. We are live on YouTube. Locked On Packers. More next. So, we have a situation here where you need to join the Everydayer Club. Don't forget to check out the Everydayer Club, guys. Locked On Packers, if you're watching right now, ad free Locked On Packers, access to the group chat with me and other Locked On Packers listeners. lockedonpackers.supercast.com is the website, go find it. Today's episode brought to you by our friends at Kalshi. Kalshi is the largest prediction market. It is where you should be giving your time and effort to the predictions that you want to make. And the cool thing about Kalshi is you can do whatever you want. There is an endless options at Kalshi. You could have bet on David Bailey or Arvel Reiss. I said, hey, look, one of those guys is going to go at two and three. Now, Arvel Reiss didn't. He didn't. But if you bet David Bailey, they go two. The odds were trading at 50-50. You could double your money on Kalshi. You're trading against your peers in a live market, meaning there's no house. And as the probabilities change, you can buy in and out of your position, trade the draft pick, the game and more on Kalshi. For a limited time, download the Kalshi app and use code LOCKEDON to get $10. When you trade 10, K-A-L-S-H-I, Kalshi, trade on anything. Okay, so I was talking to someone yesterday, someone who knows things, and they were saying, you know, hey, look, this is a draft where you can wait on receiver. And I thought, nah, I don't know if that's true. But then Denzel Boston did not go. And Mackay Lemon went way later than he was expected to go. And Omar Cooper went at the end of the first round. And so I'm thinking the NFL just might not like this receiver class as much as we thought. The actions speak to context. If you thought that you had to get these receivers now, right now today, they'd have gone. The NFL is telling us they think this is either a bad receiver draft, and it's not, or this is a deep receiver draft, and these guys are just going to get pushed down a little bit. The reporting on where these guys could go, Dejan Stribling, you know, Todd McShay said a couple weeks ago, he thinks, you know, Dejan Stribling is going to go on the first 15 picks of round two. Well, on the consensus board, Dejan Stribling is a fourth round pick. Like he's 105 on the consensus board. So this is going to get crazy tomorrow. And I continue to believe that the third round is the sweet spot for corner. But what happens if Colton Hood is available to you? What happens if Jermon McCoy is available to you at 52? If the Packers were willing to pick Kristen Miller, I kind of think, I said the very first two names I threw out at you guys were Davis and Ibn Nosen and Kristen Miller. I said those are two names to keep an eye on. And this was months ago. And that was without any intel. That was without doing much draft prep. I was just like, these guys seem Packers-y to me. Neither of them turned out with athletic profiles. That turned out to be as Packers-y as I thought they would be. Or as I wanted them to be because I liked the tape a lot for both of them. I come back going, they might be able to get both of those guys. Because Ibn Nosen now is in the 70s on the Consensus Board, 79 right around the place where they draft. That's also right around where Malik Mohammed is gonna come off the board. And then right before you've got this run with Julian Neil, Devin Moore, Dylan Evry and Will Lee. So I said trade back at 52. Well now if that premium guy is there for you, whether it's Kristen Miller, whether it's one of these corners, maybe the move at 84 is actually the trade back. And you add a fourth round pick, hopefully a high fourth round pick, and you pick twice in the hundreds. You draft Kristen Miller and then you draft two corners back to back. And then in the fourth round you come back with a receiver there. You could come back with another defensive tackle, frankly, if you wanted to. You could get Nick Singleton as a running back. He's 118 on the consensus board. So the receiver part of the draft, I thought the Packers would have some urgency for. And that was part of my prediction and my mock and all that stuff. I hate to flip-flop, but when you have new information, I think it's important that you're honest about it. And the more that I've had some discussions with some folks and the more that I've thought about it, the more that I think they can wait at receiver. And maybe the people that are telling me these things, they knew how this was gonna play out. So you go defensive tackle, if Kristen Miller is there at 52, I kind of think you gotta take him. But you might have Jamal McCoy, you might have Colton Hood. Getting one of those guys fundamentally changes your draft. Fundamentally, like if they if they don't have to move up that far, let's say, to draft someone like Colton Hood. Then at 84, or they don't have to move at all, then at 84, you could get aggressive. You take Dominique Orange, someone like that. And then now you've handled your business and now you can just get crazy. Now, you know, you move up and you could get, you need to try and get Caleb Proctor. So there's been some confusion and maybe I've said the name wrong. Kaden Proctor was the pick in the first round for the Dolphins. Caleb Proctor is the defensive tackle from southeastern Louisiana. So Caleb Proctor is still able to be drafted. I still think they're going to be aggressive moving up. I think round four is the place to do it. Maybe with future picks or maybe you take off those, you're both your fives and you try and move back into round four. But that is that continues to be in my mind where the heart of this draft is. But as this starts to play out, you may be in such good shape after the 52nd pick. If you can get a receiver, or excuse me, a corner, one of these primo corners, I'm talking about Hood, I'm talking about McCoy, I'm talking about Cisse. Then at 84, I'm moving back. But also that's when we could see Mike Washington Jr. who the Packers like. And if you can move back and add another pick in the top 100 range, maybe you take another corner. Or maybe you, you know, Trey Zune, Brian Parker. There's there's so many options for you between 85 and 140 that I just it seems like that is the smart move. And now that one of these premium players could be dropping to you, that makes it all the easier at 84 to say, we'll move back to 95. Because you already taking it like the one thing you had to do has come out of this draft feeling much better about your cornerback situation. And I was saying, well, you need to then. Because you can't count on even a second round pick that I like a lot, someone like Malik Mohammed. You probably need someone else too. But if that first round, if that first corner is Colton Hood, if it's Jermaw McCoy, that is a totally different deal. And that just, that provides Brian Guttekin so much more flexibility to then get a little crazy. I firmly believe and I predicted this yesterday on the show that they will move up using future draft capital because they can't use all those comp picks in the future. They're gonna get them and they're gonna, you know, toll, you have to take those comp picks because you can't trade them until later. They could trade them next year for sure. Remember, you can't trade them now, but you take a future fourth, a future fifth, and you try and get up because you're not gonna be able to use all those 11 draft picks next year. You're not gonna be able to use all of those. You're just not gonna have roster spots for all those guys. So they're not gonna be particularly useful tomorrow, I don't think. They might have been had you've been able to get a no doubt third for Malik Willis, and you could trade a third and be comfortable with knowing you're gonna get a third, but that's not the deal. So it's hard not to be excited. It is really hard not to be excited about what this could look like. And you know that getting your hopes up, and then Colton Hood goes 33, and Jerome McCoy goes 35, and Caden MacDonald goes 38, and Kristen Miller goes 40, and then you're like, okay, well, kind of back where we started in all of this. I can't wait for tomorrow. And if Thursday was any indication of what, you know, these new faster turnarounds are with these picks, it's gonna be an absolute blast. The Packers did not pick, and yet there are hundreds of people watching this right now. You guys are football sickos, and I love you so much. Thank you for being here. We will be live tomorrow when the Packers will have picks. Even Brian Gudekins can't trade away all those picks. So coming out with us tomorrow on YouTube, we're gonna have more goodies, guys, tomorrow. If you missed it, we had two of them today. Kyle Lewis, the linebacker from Pitt, Jennings Dunker, the offensive lineman from Iowa. Both, of course, still on the board. On Friday, we will have Brian Parker the second and Jagger Burton. So we got a little offensive line, amuse-bouche before the second round coming to you tomorrow. Even though I'm under the weather, I'm still cranking out the content for you guys because I love this stuff. I absolutely love this stuff. 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