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Speaker 1:
[00:00] Yo, yo, yo, what's up? We're here, it's 2026 NFL Draft, Connor Rogers, Chris Simms Unbuttoned at the barn. Look at the set up. I got some homies, the family. I got big fills in attendance tonight. You're gonna see him later on tonight.

Speaker 2:
[00:14] We're gonna get the crowd.

Speaker 3:
[00:14] We gotta go, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[00:16] We gotta go going on. We got some decorations. Big shout out to my baby mama, aka my wife, Danielle, for setting this up right here. She did an incredible job. But the pick is in, Raiders, right? We know it's gonna be Fernando Mendoza, but lead up to the draft here. I mean, first off, any big thoughts we got here going into this, the first few picks?

Speaker 2:
[00:36] It feels like last year where it's understated how special this is for the Raiders organization, where Cam Moore didn't get that hype last year because people got bored of the number one pick. It feels like that all over again. Fernando Mendoza, I know you love him. You've put him in an upper tier of quarterback tiers over the years. Sure. And for the Raiders, this gives them a hope that it feels like they just haven't had in a really long time.

Speaker 1:
[00:56] Yeah, I mean, yeah. And we'll talk more about Mendoza. I'm excited for him and, of course, the fit. And when they make the official pick here, we'll break that down too. Early in the draft, though, we're like, what's going to happen? Yep. Arvell Reese, where's he going to go? Is he going to go number two to the Jets? The David Bailey conversation, Jeremiyah Love, is somebody going to take him in the top five? I mean, there's a scenario for my G men. They could be sitting there at number five going, Arvell Reese and Jeremiyah Love are here in some way. Right? So I think it really picks three, four, and five are going to be really interesting to see what happens here. And I think that's what I'm pumped about.

Speaker 2:
[01:32] Right. And then if Reese doesn't go at two, does that cause a crazy trade?

Speaker 1:
[01:35] Right.

Speaker 2:
[01:36] There's so much room. George Pickens signed his franchise tag today.

Speaker 1:
[01:39] Yep.

Speaker 2:
[01:39] So now you can move him. I don't know if that's likely. That'd be a big move by Dallas. But I think the story of this draft is going to be all of the movement in pretty high places.

Speaker 1:
[01:47] Six teams have two first round picks. We know there's some teams that will be willing to be aggressive. So yeah, I think pick two, three, and four are going to dictate a lot of the top ten here. And you know, like you talked about with Fernando Mendoza, the pick's getting ready right now. It's the least talked about number one pick maybe in the history of football. I mean, really, it's been such a foregone conclusion. And here we are now with our man Roger Goodell about to make the pick. And it's going to be the Las Vegas Raiders. Taking Fernando Mendoza. Fernando Mendoza, as we expected. Awesome for him. And I do say, I mean, first off, I think it's a perfect fit. Play action passer. He did a lot of that in Indiana like we talked about. It's Clint Kubiak, the Raiders. They're going to run that Shanahan system. We saw last year Sam Darnold up in Seattle. They ran a ton of play action pass. I think Mendoza's made for that. His size, his ability to throw in the pocket. Also, being able to read coverages and dissect them, what I thought like as quick as anybody I really ever evaluated coming out in the draft.

Speaker 2:
[02:55] This was somebody that at Cal the year before took 40 sacks. He completely got that number down. He's improved so much just what he's seen, Chris. Like you said, the big arm play action. It almost feels like they married the coaching hire knowing that he was their future, which I love. You have the GM in place, married the head coaching hire to the future of your organization and that is Fernando Mendoza.

Speaker 1:
[03:14] Yeah, we'll see. They got to get some support from him. We know that the Raiders got a lot of work to do here, but it's the first time the Raiders have a guy where you just go, wait, it's been a while. Early Derek Carr's career. Yeah, he was shown to be a franchise quarterback, but now they got somebody they can start to build around and hopefully this can start a young nucleus with him and Ashton Gentey and they can improve and the Raiders can become one of the marquee organizations again. But again, I think it's crazy how under talked about he's been into this draft, especially for a guy who came from Indiana, brought them out of nowhere and the year he had, of course, winning the National Championship, one of the greatest stories ever and the story continues with Mr. The Coolest Nerd I've Ever Been Around and Fernando Mendoza. All right, pick number two, your New York Jets, J-E-T-S, Jets, Jets, Jets.

Speaker 2:
[04:04] The big mystery.

Speaker 1:
[04:05] This is the big mystery.

Speaker 2:
[04:06] This is the big mystery.

Speaker 1:
[04:07] We both had Arvell Reese going at number two to the Jets. I feel as we sit here right now and just from people I talked to in the NFL today, the NFL thinks it's going to be David Bailey.

Speaker 2:
[04:17] And every big national mock draft has David Bailey. Some of the local media has stuck with Arvell Reese. I've stuck with Arvell Reese. I haven't been told that's the pick or anything. The Jets have held this really close to the vest.

Speaker 1:
[04:28] As close as ever.

Speaker 2:
[04:29] I think he's the best fit, but it is also a scenario where both guys are really great players and they're both going to help their defense a lot.

Speaker 1:
[04:35] I just want that proven commodity of defense.

Speaker 2:
[04:39] And here we go, Roderick Dall. The New York Jets, they win on a lot of things. David Bailey, they pass on Arvell Reese. No visit?

Speaker 1:
[04:49] No visit, didn't matter. They knew him, we know that. They know him well enough. They've had a lot of time to prepare for this. David Bailey, I think, continues with the theme that your New York Jets have done all offseason. We kind of want more veteran proven commodities. It's a big year. Our ass is on the hot seat. We need somebody that can play and be ready instead of like, hey, Arvell Reese might be a superstar. We know that, but it might take a little time. And I don't think they're willing to wait for that. And that's where I can understand them going David Bailey.

Speaker 2:
[05:16] To your point, he played a ton of football at Stanford and then a great season at Texas Tech. You know what you get today. And that's a stand up pass rusher across from Will McDowell. And they signed two guys as well. That's what I'm interested in. You have Kingsley Anagbare, you have Joseph Assai. So they have a lot of new bodies in this front seven to mix him in with.

Speaker 1:
[05:33] Definitely.

Speaker 2:
[05:33] I'm still surprised. I still thought it was going to be Arvell Reese to play a hybrid role of off-ball linebacker and edge. But this is, I would imagine Aaron Glenn obviously had final say in this pick with Darren Mougey. And they go with what you said they think is the more known commodity.

Speaker 1:
[05:46] I think that's all it is. You know, I'm sure they liked Arvell Reese. I like Arvell Reese more. But putting myself in their shoes, I can certainly understand them wanting to go with Bailey. And again, I think what we got to make sure we make everybody know here is the Jets, this kid's a hell of a player. Right. We might be a little lower than everybody else, than everybody, but like no doubt a top five, top eight pick in the draft. Like that's without question. And yes, Smart, like you said, he's a professional. You can tell that meeting him. And I think that's what they're looking for right now. And that's, they're going to play it a little more safe, I guess, right now. But this is still a guy that could be a superstar in the NFL rushing off the edge.

Speaker 2:
[06:26] Some of the highest pressure rates in college football over the last two years, not just the sack totals, though he had a lot of those, but the closing burst to the quarterback, the ability to get off the ball. And I'm fascinated to see kind of how they've used this front seven now, because Carl Dumbar, their new defensive line coach, or he was their old defensive line coach, more three-four looks. And obviously they have a plan for him, where they think he's going to be able to make a massive impact this year.

Speaker 1:
[06:48] Yeah, no, and they need him. It's a big year, as we know.

Speaker 2:
[06:51] They couldn't disrupt the quarterback.

Speaker 1:
[06:53] We know they got a guy to disrupt the quarterback. And now the next big question with the Jets is, are they going to be in the market for a quarterback tonight, or what are they going to be in the market for at pick 16 right later in the first round?

Speaker 2:
[07:04] They're not done. They could be on the move up or down at 16, but they stick and pick at 2. And it's going to be fascinating to see if that changes anything at 3.

Speaker 1:
[07:12] Yeah, Jets have done a really good job of changing over their roster in a year's time. And I think they have more players now that fit the way Aaron Glenn wants to play instead of last year where he was stuck with the Robert Salah Seattle Scheme guys. And that's what you got to be excited about if you're a Jets fan.

Speaker 2:
[07:26] You trade Jermaine Johnson and now you make this move. It's a very revamped looking defense.

Speaker 1:
[07:31] Way to go, Jets. All right, Goodell's walking up to the podium. Pick three. This is where the draft starts right here.

Speaker 3:
[07:37] What are they going to do? They didn't trade it.

Speaker 1:
[07:39] No, is it going to be Jeremiyah Love? That's what I expect.

Speaker 2:
[07:42] Me too.

Speaker 1:
[07:42] But Arvell Reese is on the board. Wow.

Speaker 2:
[07:45] There it is.

Speaker 1:
[07:47] Jeremiyah Love.

Speaker 2:
[07:48] The best player in the draft.

Speaker 1:
[07:49] Yeah, I'm not shocked. Again, we talked about this a lot during the week. It's Mike LaFleur. He's a run game expert. They're an offense that doesn't have a lot of explosive players. They got some good ones, don't get me wrong. But their most explosive guy is Trey McBride. They believe in running the ball. And with this guy, it's not just running the ball. I mean, like we've talked about, it could be a thousand yards receiving, a thousand yards rushing. That's what type of talent he is. And I think he is, yeah, this is a perfect person and player for Mike LaFleur.

Speaker 2:
[08:17] And this tells you everything that they thought about him, because I'm sure they could have got out of this pick if they wanted more assets.

Speaker 1:
[08:23] I would think so.

Speaker 2:
[08:24] But instead, they sit there, they take a player, forget that he's a running back, because he's such a special player. He brought up the pass game, Chris, and LaFleur, they need an identity. Like they have, like you said, McBride, Marv, Michael Wilson, they're good players.

Speaker 1:
[08:36] They're good players.

Speaker 2:
[08:37] But who's the guy that just terrifies you? Terrifies you. This guy is scary every time the ball is in his hand.

Speaker 1:
[08:44] No, I think you're exactly right there. They don't have a guy on either side of the ball that quite scares you. They got a lot of good. That's why they lost the first five or six games of the year by three points, right? Remember that last year in the 2025 season? They were so close early on, they couldn't win the game. No sizzle players, right? As I always say, a lot of just, you know, steak and potatoes, but nothing there that was really, could make a play in a big moment. Jeremiyah Love, they have enough of an offensive line and the way Michael Lafleur coaches that right there, he can right away be one of the best running backs in football. You're talking a special Jamiyah Gibbs, Bajon Robinson type of talent, maybe better than all of those guys, really.

Speaker 2:
[09:21] And you brought up Lafleur's background from San Francisco to the Jets play caller, rookie Breece Hall, and then to the Rams where they always have a good run game. This has to be the engine that makes the offense go. Who better than this guy?

Speaker 1:
[09:35] We don't know the quarterback yet, and obviously we'll see what they do. Maybe there'll be a team that trades up in the second round or late in the first round to get Ty Simpson, but I think right now they're taking the approach, we're gonna build the team, and then we'll figure out the quarterback thing later.

Speaker 2:
[09:48] And Percet can function.

Speaker 1:
[09:49] He definitely can.

Speaker 2:
[09:50] He can function with all these guys?

Speaker 1:
[09:52] He is worthy of being, yes, a bridge starter until they figure it out, and I think that's the approach they're taking. Way to go, Jeremiah Love, Arizona Cardinals. Yeah, they needed a big time difference maker, and they got one in love. Man, the Titans picked number four, it's in. What are they gonna do? Arvell Reese, Sonny Styles, they need a pass rusher, they need another wide nine guy, a cross from Jermaine Johnson. They're a little light there, but yes, Sonny Styles is on the board to be their Fred Warner or their Bobby Wagner.

Speaker 2:
[10:24] He's a dream fit in this scenario.

Speaker 1:
[10:25] He really is, but the big thing you and I have talked about is he is Robert Sala has found linebackers in the middle round. Everywhere. Dre Greenlaw, Fred Warner, doesn't matter. You're right. KJ right up in Seattle.

Speaker 2:
[10:36] Yeah, Quincy Williams on waivers.

Speaker 1:
[10:37] Exactly right.

Speaker 2:
[10:38] He always finds them and turns them into borderline all pros or all pro players. So does he have to use that pick on the position here where I go? Can you get both with Arvell Reese?

Speaker 1:
[10:48] Yeah, he could. And if I'm them, I would want to go Arvell Reese.

Speaker 2:
[10:52] Me too.

Speaker 1:
[10:52] But as far as quickly as the pick was put in, that to me tells me I think it's Sonny Styles.

Speaker 2:
[10:57] They knew what they were doing all along. And here we go.

Speaker 1:
[10:59] He's walking up.

Speaker 2:
[11:08] Whoa.

Speaker 1:
[11:11] Biggest shock of the draft so far. Carnell Tate off the board at number four. At number four. Listen, I like Carnell Tate. He is ready right now. Do I think he's worth the number four pick of the draft? Absolutely not. Why? I've been pretty consistent with that. You know, for me, Carnell Tate is a high end number two.

Speaker 2:
[11:36] That's exactly how I saw it.

Speaker 1:
[11:38] Great round router, good size. Yeah, he can go up and catch 50-50 balls and do all that. But there's an explosion big play element that lacks for me to think he's a top five talent.

Speaker 2:
[11:49] Yeah, obviously they weren't probably comfortable maybe with Jordyn Tyson's health if they had to have receiver. Right. This pick is all about Cam Ward. Robert Salah and Brian Dable know they'll be judged on what Cam Ward becomes during their time in Tennessee so they don't mess around. This pick makes me wonder if Jeremiyah Love would have been the picket for.

Speaker 1:
[12:08] Yeah, well, it makes me think it would have been.

Speaker 2:
[12:09] Clearly the pick was all about Cam Ward and the offense.

Speaker 1:
[12:13] They addressed defense and free agency.

Speaker 2:
[12:15] Yep.

Speaker 1:
[12:16] We saw that.

Speaker 2:
[12:16] Trades, free agency.

Speaker 1:
[12:17] Got all Salah Seattle scheme tips. But guys, offensively, early on in the off season, there was some rumors that thought maybe they would, Calvin Ridley might not be there anymore. That was part of the conversation. But yeah, I'm surprised by this. I am.

Speaker 2:
[12:31] Me too.

Speaker 1:
[12:32] I am. But nonetheless, you got a young quarterback, and now you got Wondell Robinson. You do got Calvin Ridley, and we got Carnell Tate to go along with it, and a pretty good running back in Tony Poplar, too.

Speaker 2:
[12:43] That's the thing. They have some pieces now on offense, and they're going to have more picks to work with. They felt like they needed the guy to funnel the pass game through. One thing I'll say about Carnell Tate, why I like this fit, I thought when things broke down with Julian Sain, he knew how to flow with the quarterback. He controlled his body along the sideline. Cam Ward, he extends plays.

Speaker 1:
[13:02] No doubt about that.

Speaker 2:
[13:03] He'll run back and forth, and Carnell Tate has the bigger body. Hopefully that he meshes well with the quarterback specifically.

Speaker 1:
[13:10] He is pro ready. He has a high floor. I would be shocked if he's a bust. He's going to be a really good player. It's about the big question is, pick number four, you'd like to be a superstar.

Speaker 2:
[13:21] Of course.

Speaker 1:
[13:21] We're not sure if we see that.

Speaker 2:
[13:23] Of course.

Speaker 1:
[13:23] We'll see where it goes. Good pick by the Titans.

Speaker 2:
[13:25] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[13:25] But man, the first shocking moment of the draft, number four, Carnell Tate never saw that coming. Never at any point. All right, here we go. The G-man. Pick number five is in. As pick number five is in and Roger Dell is going to the board right now, the Browns have just traded pick number six to the Kansas City Chiefs. So we're sitting here right now going, man, this is crazy and we'll see what the Giants do. Sonny Styles and Arvell Reese are both on the board. But the Giants don't need a pass rusher. I would think it's going to be Sonny Styles and they go with the true stand-up linebacker. But to your point before, Arvell Reese is a better stand-up linebacker for me than Sonny Styles.

Speaker 2:
[14:05] If you want Jordyn Tyson, you got to take him now.

Speaker 1:
[14:07] Because you got to be worried the Chiefs might do it at six.

Speaker 2:
[14:09] Do they just love Caleb Downs? I mean, I would never put anything past John Harbaugh. This is officially the most interesting pick of the draft so far.

Speaker 1:
[14:17] The Chiefs I had been led to believe were hot on Arvell Reese by people I trusted. The thought was out there that they might try to trade to number three to get the Arizona pick. Didn't happen.

Speaker 2:
[14:29] Price was too high.

Speaker 1:
[14:30] Now they sit here in the board and they go, wait, there's probably three guys on the board that they go, oh, we love them all. We don't even care who we get at six. That's why they trade up with the Browns. But here we go with the Giants. What will they do? It's coming in.

Speaker 3:
[14:43] New York football Giants to last. The Giants say, Arvell Reese.

Speaker 1:
[14:52] We're just stockpiling badass mofos on defense.

Speaker 2:
[14:55] He's got to be playing off the ball.

Speaker 1:
[14:57] Unbelievable. Holy crap. The Giants are going to have three freak shows and one really good run in Kayvon Tibbida.

Speaker 2:
[15:07] Right. There's a wave of pass rushers. Unless maybe they feel confident in some kind of Kayvon trade and they like the three man rotation.

Speaker 1:
[15:14] Well, maybe that's what it is. You're right. Looking, maybe they know they're going to trade Kayvon tonight. Regardless, I think the point that we just made before they made the pick is, Arvell Reese is the best stand up linebacker in the draft.

Speaker 2:
[15:25] I thought so.

Speaker 1:
[15:25] There's a reason we ranked him on the pod, number one stand up linebacker, number one pass rusher.

Speaker 2:
[15:30] Right, he can do both, legitimately.

Speaker 1:
[15:31] So I wouldn't be surprised if the Giants go, we'll take the Micah Parsons approach. You play middle linebacker, a few plays of pass rusher, and we continue to grow that too. We see where it is. Year two, it was less middle linebacker for Micah, more pass rusher, and then year three, it was all pass rusher.

Speaker 2:
[15:48] And think what they like to do on third downs, Chris. They like to stand Abdul Carter up over guards and centers. So if your NASCAR packages, Arvell on the outside, Abdul Carter stands up over the guards and centers, Brian Burns is across from them. This is the defense that can probably make that work.

Speaker 1:
[16:04] You're right about that.

Speaker 2:
[16:04] On third and eight, that's insane.

Speaker 1:
[16:05] Well, Dinar Wilson, his defense of what they do, it's multiple. And I got to think the Giants are sitting here going, we didn't think there was any way Arvell Reese was going to be on the board. We're not even sure what our plan is with them yet. We didn't think we were going to get him. But he's too good to pass up. I think we both agreed after Fernando Mendoza. I thought he was the second best guy in the draft. I thought you had Jeremiyah Love ahead of him.

Speaker 2:
[16:26] But Arvell Reese was up there for you. This came down to talent for the Giants. He's simply too good. I thought they had a huge needed off ball linebacker. Even after getting Edmonds, their run defense needs so much improvement. He brings that. What he grows into as a pass rusher, I believe in that too. We're going to see.

Speaker 1:
[16:42] Man, the G-Man. Whoa, the G-Man is unbelievable. Getting back to Big Phil's 80s Giants right here. Nothing. They got Arvell Reese. No trays there. Arvell Reese, G-Man, Giants D, Glory Days, pillaging the baddest mofos on the history of the planet. I like it, G-Man.

Speaker 2:
[17:07] I mean, just 20 years old.

Speaker 1:
[17:08] Do you like it over Sonny Styles?

Speaker 2:
[17:11] I like it over Sonny Styles. I liked him as a better off ball linebacker than Sonny Styles.

Speaker 1:
[17:16] Yes. This is the best middle linebacker in the draft. So, the Chiefs are coming up at pick six. We'll see what they do. Yeah, I think we're all sitting here thinking it's going to be Jordyn Tyson. They need to get a weapon for Patrick Mahomes. The pick is in. All right, here we go. Pick number six. Chiefs making moves. Always the Chiefs never afraid to be aggressive. Roderick Dell at the podium. And I thought the Chiefs were trading to six because they thought they were going to get Arvell Reese.

Speaker 2:
[17:42] And then he goes at five.

Speaker 3:
[17:43] But Mansoor Delane at six.

Speaker 2:
[17:46] And they jumped up. So they thought the Saints were taking them.

Speaker 1:
[17:49] They think the Saints are going to take Delane, right. Which I think a lot of people thought there was a chance that could happen.

Speaker 2:
[17:54] And the Price wasn't crazy.

Speaker 1:
[17:55] Wasn't crazy. A third round pick and a later round pick. And then they swapped picks six and nine. Delane widely viewed as the best corner in the draft. You know not my favorite. You like him more. I do. But certainly understand why teams do. I a little bit worry about the explosive ability. But as far as team fit and what they need, we know they lost their two starting corners in Los Angeles Rams. So it was a desperate need. And I think they just feel like this guy is the best one out there.

Speaker 2:
[18:21] And you think of Spags. They're going to ask him to play a lot of man coverage. They're going to ask him to travel in that division. That's what he did really well at LSU. He was able to match up in man coverage. Obviously the shorter arms are the one big question. But he's got enough speed. He's physical. I think he plays bigger than his frame, which always really impressed me.

Speaker 1:
[18:40] He's bigger than 5'11.

Speaker 2:
[18:41] They needed a true number one corner. And they valued this guy in that light for sure.

Speaker 1:
[18:45] He's got the best hips in the draft. He's got the best ball skills in the draft. That I have no problem with. My issue with Delane has been pure explosive ability, coming out of breaks, hitting six gear if somebody runs by him. That's where I questioned it. But all along, again, like we said with Carnell Tate, this is a really awesome football player. And I totally get him going in the top ten. But man, training up, pick number six. We're getting some curveballs right now in the NFL, Jeff. It's been awesome so far.

Speaker 2:
[19:14] But think of the division there. In the quarterbacks, they have to go against. You need matchup corners. You can't just sit and cover three and cover four. And it's like, no, you got to run with somebody sometimes.

Speaker 1:
[19:23] Well, totally. Spags is a believer in that. We know between blitzing and he puts pressure on his corners. And he's going, you said, he's going to make them play man to man in some big situations. And that's where Delane is going to be expected to do here. Yeah, we said it.

Speaker 2:
[19:39] All right.

Speaker 1:
[19:40] All right, the commanders are in. Pick number seven. We'll see.

Speaker 2:
[19:43] I mean, Stiles made it here.

Speaker 1:
[19:45] Stiles is still here. Caleb Downs is still here.

Speaker 2:
[19:47] Jordyn Tyson is still here.

Speaker 1:
[19:49] They need a receiver. I would think, yeah, people were worried about Carnell Tate going to Washington. That's why Tennessee probably took them then. So what will Washington do? They got a lot of holes on their football team. So they can really go just about anywhere they want.

Speaker 2:
[20:03] Best player on their board here, really.

Speaker 1:
[20:04] I mean, that's what it is.

Speaker 2:
[20:06] Dan Stiles feels like the most seamless fit.

Speaker 1:
[20:08] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[20:08] Dan Quinn's defense by his standards was embarrassing last year. And I don't think they can survive another year of that.

Speaker 1:
[20:14] Well, that's, I mean, I agree with you. But what I would also, to counter your argument, is Terry McCormick couldn't play the full season last year. And if they don't have him out in this field, man, they're an underwhelming wide receiver group.

Speaker 2:
[20:28] And they don't have a second round pick.

Speaker 1:
[20:30] So that's another thing you got to worry about. So this is really a huge moment for the commanders who have built a team with a bunch of band-aids over the last two years.

Speaker 2:
[20:38] And here we go.

Speaker 1:
[20:38] And here it comes. There it is. There it is.

Speaker 2:
[20:44] It's a no-brainer. And with you, Chris, it's kind of like damned if you do, damned if you don't, with the offense and defense. But you get O-way and Nick Cross and free agency.

Speaker 1:
[20:53] Right.

Speaker 2:
[20:53] Right. They've added a lot of bodies and free agency on defense. You put this guy in the middle to run around and make plays. Man, in that division, this is going to get Dan Quinn's defense back to where it needs to be.

Speaker 1:
[21:06] Definitely. And they're changing their style of defense this year, too. Going to be playing a little bit more of a different version, 3-4-ish type of stuff as compared to Dan Quinn's 4-3, usual Seattle scheme. So that's what's going to be interesting with Stiles, too. But Stiles is a freak show. We all know that. And he's going to fit in any defense because of his size, his length, everything you talked about. He's still raw that we talked about a lot. He's new to the position. And the biggest thing that I loved about Stiles, and I think a lot of the people in the NFL love him, too, is just that he got so much better as the year went on. Early in the year, when I first turned on the film, I was a little like, I don't know. I'm not sure this guy is all what is written up to be. But then you get later in the year and you go, oh, this guy's figured out how to play football. He's really impressive. And there's really nothing athletically he can't do on the field.

Speaker 2:
[21:54] The physicality went up a notch, like you said, and that's the transition for me in a starting safety to a starting linebacker. The range in the flats, the long arms in the pass lanes. Oh my gosh. He really is kind of a built-in a lab modern-day off-ball linebacker. Is he going to come down in the A-gap and blow up a fullback? Maybe that's not his game all the time. But if you let him see ball get ball, he just is a destructor of plays.

Speaker 1:
[22:16] Yeah, they needed a guy in the middle of their defense they can count on here. Like you said, their defense was atrocious last year. Dan Quinn had a takeover of the play calling. And now running a little different scheme with a different kind of guy in the middle here. Dan Quinn usually hasn't had linebackers this big and this long in his defenses. There's a little different of a guy. But his speed is like one of the smaller fast ones that Dan Quinn would like. Sonny Styles, big time pick. And now the Saints on the board, the pick is in. And we'll see what they do right after this. Pick number eight, New Orleans Saints, the picks in. Roger Goodell is walking up. I mean, this could be Jordan Tyson, Caleb Downs. It could be Bain. I mean, the Saints, a lot like Washington, have needs everywhere. So yeah, I mean, really, it's going to be whoever's best on their board. They need a receiver badly. They certainly do. But when it comes down to it, are these teams going to trust the medical stuff on Jordan Tyson?

Speaker 2:
[23:13] We're about to find out.

Speaker 1:
[23:14] That's what we're going to find out.

Speaker 2:
[23:15] Nobody has yet.

Speaker 1:
[23:17] I'm going to guess it's Rueben Bain. There is Jordan Tyson.

Speaker 2:
[23:22] This was kind of known as the point in the draft where if you want them, don't let the Saints get to this spot. And they did. And they had the you know what's to take them. He's the most talented receiver in the draft.

Speaker 1:
[23:32] He's our favorite receiver. I think he's everybody in the NFL's favorite receiver. I didn't talk to anybody that wasn't. Nobody can run routes like him. Nobody can cut like him. The first guy never makes the tackle on him after the catch. He's phenomenal that way. He's freaking Spider-Man jumping up and adjusting to the football. He's a true superstar receiver. The thing we questioned a little bit with Carnell Tate, where we like Carnell Tate, I just don't know if I believe he's a superstar. This kid, as he stays healthy, I am confident he'll be a superstar.

Speaker 2:
[24:01] Because of the separation skills, right? And a lot of people miss, like, he's just as, he's heavier than Carnell Tate. He's just as tall. The 2024 season was out of this world. When he was healthy this year, and it was most of the year he was healthy, he was really dang good. He bails his quarterback out of bad plays. That's what I love about Jordyn Tyson.

Speaker 1:
[24:17] He's a player. He's a player. He's got good feel. And we talk about his hamstring, and maybe his one thing is, oh, his top end speed. But I would still sit here and tell you, his top end speed was better than pick number four in Carnell Tate. Sure. I would say that for sure. And we're sitting here watching some of these highlights right now. They're some of the damnedest highlights you're going to see. His ability to get off the line of scrimmage is the best in the draft. I mean, he has the ability to make cuts. We talked about this when we broke him down. It reminds you of Odell Beckham Jr. that way. Maybe not as fast, but the way he can move and do that. And then you got to think of the Saints. They got something working at quarterback right now. They signed HN at running back. Chris Olaivave's had an injury history.

Speaker 2:
[24:58] Yeah, the concussions.

Speaker 1:
[24:59] And he's not a true number one, build your offense around him guy. Now you can build your offense around this guy and let Olaivave be more of the, hey, we're going to send you deep. We don't need to send you in the middle to do physical things. Much needed for them. Good for Jordyn Tyson. Good for the Saints.

Speaker 2:
[25:16] I think of this offense throwing the ball down the field. You got two bookends at tackle. It's a great offensive line. All five across a drop back quarterback with a big arm. And now this guy that wins at all three levels of the field. You know how in I am on the Saints offense. This makes it that much easier.

Speaker 1:
[25:31] Yeah. It's awesome for him. I'm mad as a giant fan because I wanted Jordyn Tyson at 10, but okay.

Speaker 2:
[25:36] What was it happening, Chris?

Speaker 1:
[25:37] You can have him Tyler Schuck. You needed him more than I did. It's all good. Way to go Saints. Jordyn Tyson. I love this player. All right.

Speaker 2:
[25:44] So the Browns on the clock.

Speaker 1:
[25:45] Browns on the clock.

Speaker 2:
[25:47] We've talked about this.

Speaker 1:
[25:48] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[25:48] They could move back and still get the tackle of their choice.

Speaker 1:
[25:51] Right.

Speaker 2:
[25:51] This makes the most sense here. We don't know who that tackle is.

Speaker 1:
[25:54] I feel like the offensive line conversation was all over the place in the NFL. I feel like everybody had different top dogs. So here we go. But I would think it's tackle all the way.

Speaker 2:
[26:03] And they went Spencer Fano. So they must believe, I would think, he could play left tackle.

Speaker 1:
[26:10] I guess so. And he's got the ability to play guard. I think he's better at guard. The Browns needed offensive line. And we know that. I mean, their whole offseason is about revamping the line. Bunkin comes from places of Georgia and Baltimore that believe in offensive line play. So yeah, that's what they do here. Now, Fano is not my favorite offensive lineman in this draft. I love the athleticism. He's one of the most athletic guys in the draft. But you know me. My concern was more of the physicality element and some of the power element. And I didn't love his anchor in the pass game.

Speaker 2:
[26:43] And he lacks arm length.

Speaker 1:
[26:44] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[26:45] But I really think that lower half, the movement skills, Munkin must want this run game to really get going out of the gate. Can you climb? Can you pull? Can you be athletic enough for what we want to do? I'm just fascinating where they play him.

Speaker 1:
[26:57] Well, I know from that, I mean, I wonder if it's going to be guard. I do.

Speaker 2:
[27:02] Because that would be what he'd be asked to pull. He'd be asked to climb. Do they ride it out with Dewan Jones at left tackle then?

Speaker 1:
[27:08] That's to me the risky thing.

Speaker 2:
[27:10] But they've added a couple. They've added a couple of guards in center.

Speaker 1:
[27:13] That's where they're not desperate at guard. So I would think it's tackle to your point.

Speaker 2:
[27:17] That's why I kept going back to Freeling here and they don't go that way because he was the true left tackle.

Speaker 1:
[27:21] True left tackle. I thought Freeling was the most ready to start right away. They obviously thought different. They got, hey, it's not the sexiest guy in the world, but they're going to build the trenches there in Cleveland. They got a good little running back, we know, and then the quarterback situation unsettled. But Fano certainly was one of the top linemen on a lot of people's boards, so it's not crazy here.

Speaker 2:
[27:43] And we go right into the Giants now. And we're going right back to the G-men.

Speaker 1:
[27:46] Here we go. I think it's got to be Caleb Downs, right? Oh, Maui Noa.

Speaker 3:
[27:52] They went with it all the time.

Speaker 1:
[27:54] Wow. So we got G-men, got defense and offense. I like Francis Maui Noa a lot. I like him better than Spencer Fano.

Speaker 2:
[28:02] And very different, right? Maui Noa, wide as a door frame, can kind of take you for a ride in the run game, in the drive blocking, played right tackle for Miami. I wonder for the Giants if he plays right guard.

Speaker 1:
[28:13] I wouldn't be shocked.

Speaker 2:
[28:14] I think that actually makes more sense for the Giants with a Luminor next to him.

Speaker 1:
[28:18] I think so. He's another one of those guys that we just talked about with Maui Noa in Cleveland is just going, he can do both. I think, I thought he might be tried at tackle first, but yeah, he's a road grading, move people out of the way guard. The thing with him was we love the power, we love the physicality. You wondered about the foot quickness maybe as a pass protector, but that was really about all there could be there. So this is a big guy and it's something we've been talking about all off season with the Giants. Harbaugh I feel like embodies what the Giants have always been about. Ass kickers, right, Phil? Big Phil's over there going yeah.

Speaker 2:
[28:56] Bigger and tougher.

Speaker 1:
[28:57] Bigger and tougher. You get Arvell Reese and Maui Noah and like Big Phil saying, when in doubt, pick the big guy. And that's awesome right here. Phil said about Maui Noah, you could show a double feature on his ass. That's what Phil said about it. And that's a positive thing just for all you giant fans out there.

Speaker 3:
[29:16] A massive human being.

Speaker 1:
[29:18] The G men, the G men making moves, Arvell Reese, Maui Noah, take care of offense, cake, terror, defense. And as we're sitting here right now, the Dallas Cowboys have traded to pick number 11.

Speaker 2:
[29:35] From 20, because they, they're gonna pay back to back.

Speaker 3:
[29:38] Well, this is such a Jerry, own what? 30 minutes of the draft.

Speaker 1:
[29:42] They're making moves.

Speaker 2:
[29:43] You get the double picks here. This is pretty electric right now.

Speaker 1:
[29:46] Wow. So two linemen go in the top 10 at the end of the top 10 there.

Speaker 2:
[29:50] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[29:51] And really, we had what? One trade in the top 10, one trade in the top 10.

Speaker 2:
[29:56] Everyone else did a stick and pick.

Speaker 1:
[29:58] And it's been some surprises so far. But we'll see what the Cowboys do right after this. All right, pick 11s in. They switched picks with the Miami Dolphins.

Speaker 2:
[30:07] Yeah, they didn't go from 20 to 11. They just went 12 to 11 for two fives. So Roger's up here.

Speaker 1:
[30:13] I don't know what they're going to do. Could be Passresher, could be Caleb Downs.

Speaker 2:
[30:17] And they went Caleb Downs.

Speaker 1:
[30:18] They went with Caleb Downs. They finally got the safety they've been looking for there.

Speaker 2:
[30:22] Very unlike them. They never prioritized this position in this way, but this is a special player.

Speaker 1:
[30:27] Well, special player. And we had so much talk about this guy. First off, he's so versatile. He can do just about everything on your defense other than play corner and defensive tackle, really. And, you know, they're another team that's going to run a little bit of a different system this year. They're going to be more a little Philadelphia-ish on defense. So hey, Philadelphia, yeah, they want a safety down there in the box who is going to be involved in the run game, make tackles, do that. And then, of course, we know, pass coverage, there's nothing Caleb Downs can't do. I'm actually sitting here shocked that he was on the board still at 11.

Speaker 2:
[31:01] It is a little shocking, but how many times, Chris, did we have the Derwin James Kyle Hamilton combo? Everyone loves him, everyone wants him. That's a safety. And he goes outside the top 10. This is the same tale as old as time over and over again. I guess Dallas looked at it and said, Miami might move out and let somebody else get him. Miami needs help in their secondary. Let's just pay the two fives and go get them.

Speaker 1:
[31:22] Well, middle of the defense has been a problem for the Cowboys forever. They've addressed defensive tackles, so they're good there, right? We thought maybe there was a chance they go pass rusher. I didn't put it out of the realm of thinking maybe they go Bain. But, yeah, middle of the d- they couldn't get Sonny Styles, so here's probably your next best option right now. Stability. To kind of help that out in the middle of the field. He's smart. Their defense is going to be multiple. He's going to have to be the quarterback in the back end. And then, like we talked about, he's twitchy as hell, he's explosive as hell, he's a great open field tackler, and I'd just be shocked if he's not a really great player.

Speaker 2:
[31:56] I'm with you all the way. You think about how many big plays this team gave up last year. Caleb Downs, kind of a bandaid over that massive problem for the Cowboys. They love this pick and they got great value.

Speaker 1:
[32:05] Yeah, and we'll see what they do at pick 20. Miami Dolphins, pick 12, it's in.

Speaker 2:
[32:10] Hurricane Bain?

Speaker 1:
[32:11] I mean, I would think it's Hurricane Bain. That's what I'd expect. They need a receiver, they need offense alignment too.

Speaker 2:
[32:16] They need everything.

Speaker 1:
[32:17] But Bain.

Speaker 3:
[32:19] Wow. There it is.

Speaker 2:
[32:20] They went with the big dog.

Speaker 1:
[32:21] They went with the big guy up front. They went with the big left tackle from Alabama.

Speaker 2:
[32:25] New Regime from Green Bay. They like big people. They care about the offensive line. Kadyn Proctor was wide range of outcomes, Chris. Top 10 could have been the end of the first round. He goes right in the middle at 12.

Speaker 1:
[32:37] Yeah. I mean, listen, I'm usually a guy that loves the huge, gigantic left tackle. You know that. Anybody that listens to our pod knows that. But I have more questions about this big, huge guy than I usually do. I mean, one, yeah, he's gigantic and I love his body. But we talked about little slower feet and for as gigantic as he is, another guy, I'd go, yeah, the anchor isn't everything you thought it would be.

Speaker 2:
[33:00] Right.

Speaker 1:
[33:01] But the mechanics were all over the place, too, to where I could see an NFL offensive line coach going, hey, hey, hey, he's got all the tools and the size. I'll teach the technique a little bit and he'll be one of the best press pass protecting tackles in football. I can understand that. I could see that in his future, too.

Speaker 2:
[33:16] He's one of the ultimate players in this draft that they just don't make many like this. So if you want him, you got to take him and develop him. And with Proctor, you know, some teams were kind of hung up on, do I play him at guard? Do I play him at left tackle? When his hands hit right, Chris, though, people go places.

Speaker 1:
[33:30] Well, he can collapse a side of the line. And here, so I'm pulling up the roster here. We got Paul Patrick at left tackle.

Speaker 2:
[33:36] He's been good.

Speaker 1:
[33:37] I know. So and then a right tackle. We have Austin Jackson.

Speaker 2:
[33:40] Who's been...

Speaker 1:
[33:41] Yeah, hasn't lived up to that first round ability. But I think to your point here, maybe it's guard at first.

Speaker 2:
[33:47] I think so.

Speaker 1:
[33:48] Right. They have definitely some issues there at guard, especially at right guard, where right now the penciled in guy is Salyer from the Chargers, the free agent. Who's really not the guy you want to be your starting right guard.

Speaker 2:
[34:00] He's the first guy off the bench at tackle and guard.

Speaker 1:
[34:03] That's what you want him to be. So that's where I think they probably looked at it and went, wait, we don't even feel like we got a starting five offensive line. We get this guy, play him at guard right away, and then maybe the technique, the footwork stuff improves, and then maybe you got your big time right tackle or left tackle in the future, whatever you want to do there.

Speaker 2:
[34:21] He got his weight under check, especially during this process. I think he was playing well over 360 during the season. During the combine, he was 350, really honed in on his diet. They got to keep him on that trajectory, because you don't want the stamina to go down in the fourth quarter because you're playing at 370, 360. I like him better, Chris, at 340 to 350, even at guard.

Speaker 1:
[34:40] His weight is going to be one of the biggest things the team has to stay on, because when you're that big, I mean, you're just one, right? Well, you're one weekend, one bad weekend away from putting 15 pounds on, and that's what you don't want, certainly. But good pick for the Miami Dolphins there and getting a road grader and Proctor. Pick 13, the Rams. Here we go. I mean, come on, the Rams are one of the best teams in football. Now, I know people think they might take a quarterback, and we're sitting here watching on TV, and they went to commercial break, and they showed Ty Simpson to dangle it out there. To me, that would be crazy for a Super Bowl team, right? People go, wait, the team is awesome. It's one of the best teams in all of football. They can add something to help them out here. I think it's going to be a receiver. That's what I would expect, because Devontae Adams up there in age, not as talented as people think anymore, and if he gets hurt, it's like, wait, they can't throw the Pucca Nakua every play. So I'm expecting receiver here. I'd be shocked if it's Ty Simpson showing him again. TV loves the quarterback, but we're going to, I'll see. What do you think?

Speaker 2:
[35:40] If you're a quarterback and you attend the draft, I expect to be under the camera until you get your name called. I've been going pass catcher with this pick basically since they've had it. And that's all kinds of ranges from Makai Lemon to Denzel Boston to Omar Cooper.

Speaker 1:
[35:54] I mean, listen, they just need someone that can play and be ready.

Speaker 2:
[35:57] And Makai Lemon being from LA, I just figured that.

Speaker 1:
[36:00] Here we go. Roger Goodell. Ty Simpson was the pick.

Speaker 2:
[36:06] Wow. Wow. Wow.

Speaker 1:
[36:08] That's why he's there.

Speaker 2:
[36:10] Yeah, right.

Speaker 1:
[36:10] Unbelievable.

Speaker 2:
[36:11] We should have known when he decided to go to the draft.

Speaker 1:
[36:13] Well, a lot of quarterbacks don't always know. So, but still, this is, I am shocked. I really am. And that tells you that they think that Matthew Stafford, one year, maybe two at the most, and then they're going to transition to Ty Simpson. This is one of the biggest shocks of the draft. I guess the second biggest shock other than Carnell Tate. Right?

Speaker 2:
[36:32] I didn't think he was going to go in the first round unless someone traded back in for him.

Speaker 1:
[36:36] No.

Speaker 2:
[36:36] A stick and pick in the top 15. For Rams team, we say it all the time, Chris. It's all about winning the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1:
[36:42] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[36:43] This isn't, unless Matthew Stafford gets hurt, this isn't a pick that's helping you win a Super Bowl. It's all about the long term future.

Speaker 1:
[36:48] Well, I think that tells you McVeigh is going to be there for a long, long time. And yeah, they're not going to, with Jimmy Garoppolo maybe retiring too. Ty Simpson, pretty mature kid. Yes, he hasn't played a ton of football. That would be the other thing that concerns me. Again, we get back to the conversation here of, all right, a little undersized, I don't love, and then we get into, hasn't had a lot of experience, and now he's not going to get any more experience sitting behind Matthew Stafford. And so that's what you worry about. But he is going to get coached by Sean McVeigh. And I will say, big Phil earlier today, sitting here right off camera, he goes, man, Ty Simpson really would fit the Rams offense.

Speaker 2:
[37:23] I was just going to ask, schematically you like this.

Speaker 1:
[37:25] Yeah, definitely. I mean, he's capable first off of making power throws down the field. We know the Rams with all the 10 and 15 and 20-yard crossers. I think he's phenomenal in that area. And then they do protect well up front, play action pass, get him deep behind the line of scrimmage. And he's an athlete who can move. And we love that aspect about it. I just thought the NFL would be scared of the size and the experience. But McVeigh is basically telling you, we're going to get him all the experience he needs being the backup for Stafford. And we'll get him ready to go when it's time to play. Big time shock here for Ty Simpson.

Speaker 2:
[37:59] The Rams are on a little bit of a heater where I don't think they're afraid of going against consensus.

Speaker 1:
[38:03] Yeah, right, and you know what, I think the other thing too, let's give Matt Casey a little love. Matt Casey produces and direct shows a lot. He thought it was real fishy that they cut to size Ty Simpson before they went to the commercial break. He said, I don't know, that sounds like they know something. So he called it either way though, Ty Simpson's second quarterback off the board. And again, I know I've been a little down on him as far as I don't think he's a first round pick, but he had times during the college football season where you heard me say a lot like, oh my gosh, Ty Simpson's the Heisman winner right now. And he took a beating and that was because they couldn't run and play defense and do that. And they put a lot on his shoulders. So hopefully that's not an issue in the NFL, but he does have some big time talent. And the Rams obviously saw that.

Speaker 2:
[38:48] Ty Simpson, the future of the Rams after the Stafford era.

Speaker 1:
[38:51] Pick 14, Ravens is in. Another team that I think receiver is what I could see. I could see offensive linemen too.

Speaker 2:
[38:58] Right, offensive line receiver is all you hear with this team. Couple good ones have fallen on both sides.

Speaker 1:
[39:03] Totally.

Speaker 2:
[39:04] Venka Yawane is still there.

Speaker 1:
[39:05] Right.

Speaker 2:
[39:06] Makai Lemon is still there.

Speaker 1:
[39:07] Right.

Speaker 2:
[39:07] Omar Cooper is there and Kenyon Sadiq is there.

Speaker 1:
[39:09] Sure.

Speaker 2:
[39:10] And they go with Venka Yawane.

Speaker 1:
[39:12] And they go with the big guard.

Speaker 2:
[39:13] But this is a chalky pick.

Speaker 1:
[39:15] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[39:15] A lot of people knew if he made it here that this just, this guy doesn't lose in pass protection.

Speaker 1:
[39:19] No, this is, was one of our favorite guards in the draft right here.

Speaker 2:
[39:23] Right. It's crazy to call an E-Ball easy.

Speaker 1:
[39:25] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[39:25] He's an easy watch.

Speaker 1:
[39:26] He was, he was. And he was loved in the NFL. And of course it fits in theme with what Baltimore and the S they believe in big people. But I'm with you. He was the best pass protecting guard in the draft. He's NFL ready right away. And then of course he's got power in the run game. He can improve in that aspect. But it was really the pass protection. I think that just jumped out to all of us. And I know from talking to people, a lot of people in the NFL thought, oh this my guy might go before the Ravens because he was viewed as one of the best offensive linemen in the draft.

Speaker 2:
[39:56] I thought it started for him at 10 with the Giants. The Giants still got their offensive line in their choosing, but the Ravens are gotta be thrilled with this pick. This guy prepares like a pro. He's gotten his body in check like a pro. And once again, you just see the strength, the grip strength, some gap running. He can really dry block off the line of scrimmage because he's got that raw strength. He's played a lot of football for Penn State, which teams love on the offensive line. Once again, this just fits, it's one of those easy cliché things, but he's a raven, he feels like a raven.

Speaker 1:
[40:22] He does, he does. He feels like a raven, he feels like an ass kicker. I'm looking at their team right here and you just go, yeah, it's guard, I don't know which one it'll be. Does he replace Andrew Voorhees?

Speaker 2:
[40:32] Simpson will start and it'll replace Voorhees.

Speaker 1:
[40:34] So he's gonna play left guard for them. And yeah, that starts them. You look at them and go right now, you go Roddy Stanley's old, but they got a young little nucleus on the offensive line right now, right into the future here. Protect Lamar Jackson, still got Derrick Henry, you're right, total Baltimore Ravens pick right here.

Speaker 3:
[40:52] The Ravens.

Speaker 1:
[40:54] All right, pick 15, picks in, we're at the barn, we're hanging, it's been some curve balls, we got it all going on. Bucks need a DB or a pass rusher. We think it's gonna be a pass rusher.

Speaker 2:
[41:04] And there's some damn good ones that have fallen.

Speaker 1:
[41:06] I mean, I would think this is gonna be Bain here.

Speaker 3:
[41:09] There it is.

Speaker 2:
[41:10] About time.

Speaker 1:
[41:11] Good for Rueben Bain. We stopped the short arm T-Rex conversation. I think he's gonna overcome that.

Speaker 2:
[41:17] I think so too.

Speaker 1:
[41:18] Both are a believer in him because there's just so many other things he's great at on the football field. One, he's the most physical pass rusher in the draft. Yeah, I mean, he could kick in, but he's an ass kicker on the edge. And I think both you and I thought he is more explosive as a pass rusher maybe than it looks because he's so thick and he's a long strider.

Speaker 2:
[41:37] Compact, leverage monster. Can really turn the corner at his size, which is always shocking because he's so dense. Totally. But when he gets his hands on you, people go backwards. And the Bucs need somebody that can win today. They don't need somebody to... Todd Bowles isn't going to make it if they don't have a pass rusher that wins today. That's why you heard them all over his teammate Mesidor. I don't think they thought Bain would make it here. I bet Jason Light and company are very happy about this right now. This is plug and play all day for the Bucs defense that needed a difference maker on that front.

Speaker 1:
[42:06] Totally.

Speaker 2:
[42:07] On the edge.

Speaker 1:
[42:07] Couldn't rush the passer last year. Couldn't do anything like that. We're sitting here right now watching Jason Light going crazy. Yeah, because you just said it. Todd Bowles is smiling. I don't think there's any way they thought he would be here. And Bain, awesome against the run. And the thing I always kind of talked about when I talked about him, to me, he just sells out. That's what I love about Rueben Bain. The bend, the speed, all of that's good. But when it comes to like jumping in front of the train.

Speaker 2:
[42:33] I love that phrase. I love it.

Speaker 1:
[42:35] He will do it. He throws his body around with no regard. I'm really excited for him. And yeah, the Tampa Bay Bucs needed a big time defensive player. They got one in Rueben Bain.

Speaker 2:
[42:45] And he's locked in too. He almost broke Roger Goodell in half.

Speaker 1:
[42:47] I feel like he's actually probably pissed off.

Speaker 2:
[42:49] A hundred percent.

Speaker 1:
[42:50] He's like, what the hell am I doing on the board right here? He kind of has that attitude. But he's in a spot that in Tampa Bay, Todd Bowles and them, they're going to unleash him. And I don't think the arms are going to be a problem. He's elite in enough areas to overcome the arm length.

Speaker 2:
[43:05] Yeah. Rueben Bain off the board to the Bucs at 15.

Speaker 1:
[43:08] Pick 16. Go ahead, take it, man. It's your jets. What looks to happen?

Speaker 2:
[43:11] Stick and pick.

Speaker 1:
[43:12] Tell me.

Speaker 2:
[43:12] I mean, it's got to be pass catcher, right?

Speaker 3:
[43:18] Wow. There it is.

Speaker 1:
[43:18] They go with Kenyon Sadiq.

Speaker 2:
[43:19] They go with Sadiq.

Speaker 1:
[43:21] Wow.

Speaker 2:
[43:22] It's a pass catcher. He's a pass catcher. But it's a very unique pass catcher.

Speaker 1:
[43:26] Well, listen, out of some of the other options that are out there, I like Denzel Boston a lot. But compared to Makai Lemon or an Omar Cooper, I like Sadiq more than them. I'll say that. I know.

Speaker 2:
[43:36] Well, and I love Sadiq. What do the Jets want to be?

Speaker 1:
[43:40] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[43:41] Bigger and more physical and faster. Right. This is the now you got to know what you're doing with him. Totally. If you just if you want him on the line of scrimmage, that's not him. You got to play him in the slot. He played H back. He played fullback. He did everything for Oregon's offense. He's good with the ball in his hands. He can run the seam over linebackers. And now him and Mason Taylor and their 12 person out. You know, Detroit, where they were coming from, Aaron Glenn. I know he's not the offensive coordinator, but they ran a lot of 12. I think the Jets want to run a lot of 12 with him and Mason Taylor.

Speaker 1:
[44:08] I would think so.

Speaker 2:
[44:09] This is interesting.

Speaker 1:
[44:09] I mean, they're offensive coordinators from Detroit, too. So, I mean, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[44:12] Well, now, now you have Frank Reich.

Speaker 1:
[44:13] Yeah. Oh, and Frank Reich.

Speaker 2:
[44:14] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[44:14] Excuse me. I'm sorry. I'm off there. Totally.

Speaker 2:
[44:16] Well, they fight their offensive coordinators. Right. So that's not on you. No, no.

Speaker 1:
[44:19] But Frank Reich. Yes. I mean, again, he wants to throw the ball down the football field and down the seam to your point right there. So a guy like Sadiq, again, runs routes like a wide receiver. So you kind of address that need altogether. But I think the point is, is like what you said, it allows them versatility to go, hey, we want to get big. What are you going to do here? How are you going to match up with Mason Taylor and Kenyon Sadiq? And I think that's going to be the big thing. Now, we talked about maybe receiver. We know we got Garrett Wilson. This is the same group that traded for Adonay Mitchell last year. So there, I think they probably felt some pressure to go like, wait, we traded for this guy. He is a second round pick. We traded around, you know, a sauce gardener for him. And hopefully, this is an indication that they see a way to where he can be a number two for them and make their offense well-rounded.

Speaker 2:
[45:04] It feels like Sadiq is playing the slot for them next year, where you look at, and Garrett could do both. He plays inside and outside. Adonay Mitchell is on the perimeter. I think Mason Taylor is on the line of scrimmage. Sadiq is their power slot. Did they throw him? This is one of my favorite things in your scouting dictionary, Chris. You judge if a team throws a guy a screen. Oregon threw screens to their tight end Kenyon Sadiq.

Speaker 1:
[45:26] Totally. That tells you a lot right there. It tells you what they think of them after the catch and everything there. But yeah, I think your point is the two tight ends set, and I'm telling you, teams are going to be pissed that Sadiq is off. I think Minnesota was hot on Sadiq. I think the Carolina Panthers were hot on Sadiq. So the Jets get them a few picks before those guys do. And I think it one of the safer picks on offense in the whole draft. Pick 17, lines are in. I'm thinking this is a tackle. I'm thinking it's Morgan Freeling.

Speaker 2:
[45:54] I would think it. So who is left? Freeling is left. Iheanachor is left. Blake Miller is left. There's been a run. Big people get taken early.

Speaker 1:
[46:04] Those are the three we would expect off the board now.

Speaker 2:
[46:06] Unless they go Mesidor. Mesidor is the sleeper.

Speaker 1:
[46:08] The pass rushers are off the edge.

Speaker 2:
[46:10] Let's see. I'm excited. The Lions, man, you always say it Chris, they like big people. They want to be physical. The identity of their football teams, the offensive line. They've needed a running mate for Aiden Hutchinson, but they also need a starter on the offensive line.

Speaker 1:
[46:22] They totally do. With Taylor Deckard departing, not having that. And of course, we know, you know, running the ball is important to Dan Campbell and company. Here we go. Here we go. Roger's handed it off.

Speaker 2:
[46:34] He's got a guess picker.

Speaker 1:
[46:34] Let's see.

Speaker 2:
[46:35] Yep.

Speaker 1:
[46:36] I'm going to actually be shocked if it's not Lyman. Lyman. 17th pick.

Speaker 2:
[46:49] Blake Miller.

Speaker 1:
[46:50] Miller. There he is from Clemson.

Speaker 2:
[46:52] True right tackle.

Speaker 1:
[46:53] True right tackle. One of the guys that we talked about a lot during the draft process to go. He was one of the few that I felt like was ready right away.

Speaker 2:
[47:02] Four year starter, Chris.

Speaker 1:
[47:03] Four year starter, a ton of reps.

Speaker 2:
[47:05] Yep.

Speaker 1:
[47:05] You see a great pass protector, pretty damn good in the run game too. I mean yeah, this was one of the more day one ready tackles to go. And now, hey, we know Detroit likes big people and this is a big guy right on the edge here.

Speaker 2:
[47:19] How many tackles can you draft and they have over 3200 snaps of college football. That's insane. Over 3200 snaps. I asked him about this. I said, you started as a freshman, right? Tackle. And he was like, you get thrown into the fire. You see what happens. And he answered the test all the time. He's got a little bit of the nasty in the run game that Dan Campbell likes.

Speaker 1:
[47:36] He'll brawl.

Speaker 2:
[47:37] He'll recklessly brawl. He'll fall sometimes. But through the whistle, he looks to bury you.

Speaker 1:
[47:41] No doubt about that. Plays a little high after we're sitting here right now. And I think that was one of the things that I didn't love about him. But pass protecting, this is one of the purest, best tackles, pass protecting. And yeah, you get a guy, like you said, with experience for a Detroit team that's still in the Super Bowl window. They want to run the ball with Jeremiyah Gibbs. Jared Goff is not a mobile quarterback. You gotta protect him and do that. That's why it makes sense for them. Good pick for the Detroit Lions, taking Blake Miller. All right, we're right back out at pick 18. Vikings up. All right, what are you thinking here?

Speaker 2:
[48:15] The favorite's been Thieneman. I feel like Kadyn McDonald, the sleeper. But this is a hard one to predict.

Speaker 1:
[48:20] I really thought there was a chance it would be Sadiq.

Speaker 2:
[48:22] And he went to the Jets at 16 in a surprise fashion.

Speaker 3:
[48:25] Right. Caleb Banks. Wow.

Speaker 2:
[48:31] This has got to be B-Flo pounding the table for this guy, right?

Speaker 3:
[48:35] All the way.

Speaker 2:
[48:37] Wow.

Speaker 1:
[48:37] This is crazy. I had conversations with B-Flo a few weeks ago about this guy, Caleb Banks. And we talked about him a lot. Caleb Banks is one of these guys that I think was viewed. I had another defensive coach in the NFL go, Caleb Banks is the top 10 pick in the draft. If you just look at the film. Yeah, this is Chris Jones Jr. This is Chris Jones Part 2. And I'm just telling you, Brian Forres has to be ecstatic that they got him. They need defensive tackles in Minnesota. If you look at their roster right now, you'd go, I'm not even sure who is this guy that's playing. And I'm being facetious and funny. But this is a guy, yeah, little injury history, good kid with a little bit of an asterisk next to it as far as immature. But I don't think anybody thought he was bad and he can do it all in D-tackle.

Speaker 2:
[49:23] And in this environment, he'll be fine developing. The 2024 tape, to back up your point, is top 10 pick level stuff. He breaks the foot, he misses 95% of the season. He comes back for the senior bowl, felt like a little early, breaks the foot again at the combine. It sounds like he'll be ready for a lot of training camp. The talent, immense, difference maker. If they hit on Caleb Banks, the higher end outcome of Caleb Banks's top five NFL defensive tackle. I really believe that.

Speaker 1:
[49:49] I agree with you. I don't feel Chris Jones around for nothing. That's who I think he could be. And to your point, he could two gap and do this. At 330 pounds, he could get skinny, create chaos, and he's twitchy as hell. He's bendable and pliable to be in weird positions and still get off them and make a tackle. Unbelievable pick. I'm glad that the Vikings had the guts to make that pick right there.

Speaker 2:
[50:12] The ballsyest pick besides Ty Simpson. I think it's the ballsyest pick around.

Speaker 1:
[50:17] I agree with you there.

Speaker 2:
[50:18] But I think the fit is perfect. Perfect.

Speaker 1:
[50:20] Yeah, they needed it. All right, pick 19, the Carolina Panthers. Wild card pick. I thought they were hot on Kenyon Sadiq. We don't know what the hell they're going to do. I look at them as I sit here right now. I feel like you spit out the name Dillon Thieneman. I can look at safety and go, I would say that might be the biggest need on their football team. Here it comes.

Speaker 2:
[50:40] And they took the tackle. Wow.

Speaker 3:
[50:42] They went Monroe Freeling.

Speaker 1:
[50:44] They took Monroe Freeling.

Speaker 2:
[50:46] Even after signing Walker. So they're just doubling and tripling down on the O-line. Because he's not starting.

Speaker 1:
[50:53] I wouldn't think so. I mean, we know Ikea Quanu is hurt.

Speaker 2:
[50:58] Yep. Might miss a lot of time.

Speaker 1:
[51:00] Most of the year. But they did give Rashid Walker, what, $10 million.

Speaker 2:
[51:03] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[51:03] And really, that was a great deal for a guy that people thought might get $20 million or something like that on the open market. This, to me, was my favorite pass-protecting left-hack. You know that. I thought he was the most game-ready right now, right away. But yeah, you look at it right now and go, is he going to start or what's he going to do here right off the bat? Regardless, they collect big people. But I'm still trying to make sense of this, actually, at all.

Speaker 2:
[51:27] What I wonder, Chris, is, is this now the end of Ikea Quanu era in Carolina? I know he's hurt right now, or, you know, to be fair, Walker's on a one-year deal.

Speaker 1:
[51:38] Right.

Speaker 2:
[51:38] Either way, this pick is a little bit more about 2027 and beyond than needing a guy today.

Speaker 1:
[51:44] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[51:44] Today. And to be fair, Freeling is a good investment if you're going to do that.

Speaker 1:
[51:47] He totally is.

Speaker 2:
[51:47] Because he was only a one-year starter at Georgia.

Speaker 1:
[51:50] I am surprised by the pick, though. Just because, again, the allotment of resources is a big thing. And yeah, they got some tackles here right now. But they obviously liked him enough to feel like, hey, we got to make this move. And maybe they feel like Ikea Quanu might not be the same ever. Maybe they just feel like, yes, Rashid Walker is just for one year. And then we're not making any further investment. And that's why they go with it here. So we're sitting here. And we're up right in the pick 20 with the Philadelphia Eagles. And here we go. Pick 20 for the Philadelphia Eagles. Let's see what they do. Trade it up with Dallas Cowboys. Wow. Man.

Speaker 2:
[52:34] Wow.

Speaker 1:
[52:34] I get it. I get it.

Speaker 2:
[52:36] Well, because you know what's coming.

Speaker 1:
[52:37] Well, because AJ. Brown ain't going to be there anymore. AJ. Brown's on the New England Patriots. That's already done. So yes, they protect themselves now. And now this almost makes the AJ. Brown thing official. I mean, it's official.

Speaker 2:
[52:51] Right. He's not going to be there next year. He's not going to be there.

Speaker 1:
[52:53] Dontavian Wicks, Hollywood Brown, Devontae Smith, of course, and now Makai Lemon. And for a team that we know is in the Super Bowl window, Lemon is a safe hit.

Speaker 2:
[53:05] Right.

Speaker 1:
[53:05] Right.

Speaker 2:
[53:05] You know what he is today.

Speaker 1:
[53:06] Exactly right.

Speaker 2:
[53:07] He's a slot receiver, a possession, slot, chains mover. What do you think of Philly doing business with Dallas?

Speaker 1:
[53:13] I was going to get in this to you the other day because people dragged me for Giants doing business.

Speaker 2:
[53:17] You did some division trades.

Speaker 1:
[53:19] I think that's old age thinking. I don't think anybody, it's about what you need to do for your team and your board and Dallas obviously, they don't take Makai Lemon. Exactly right. So they feel like there's somebody that they could collect some cheap picks for and then pick somebody who they want a few picks later here. We'll see. But I understand this. Makai Lemon was not my favorite. You know that. There's a lack of explosion and separation that I just don't love. But yet, he's a good route runner. He's strong. He's tough over the middle.

Speaker 2:
[53:48] Without a doubt.

Speaker 1:
[53:49] He does have production that is real with him and they're going to be able to rely on him right away and Jalen Hurts is going to feel comfortable throwing the bottle.

Speaker 2:
[53:56] Yeah, the Eagles pass game is going to look a little different next year. So you say AJ Brown on the perimeter. Now instead, a lot of those targets are going to go to a guy like Lemon that works over the middle of the field. I'll say he's got better ball skills for his size than you'd expect.

Speaker 1:
[54:08] Yes, he does.

Speaker 2:
[54:08] That was something where I was really impressed on tape with Makai Lemon.

Speaker 1:
[54:11] No question. He is the new thing of what we kind of talked about on the pod during the week of the NFL is more into safe in the first round more now than ever. Let's take a shot on the freak that we have a few questions about. I think we're seeing that here in the first round. My big thing is, Eagles trading up. What do you think they were scared of? The Chargers taking a receiver at 22 maybe? Would it be that?

Speaker 2:
[54:34] The Steelers.

Speaker 1:
[54:34] The Steelers at 21.

Speaker 2:
[54:36] Because the Steelers have the two big guys on the outside.

Speaker 3:
[54:39] They've been in the middle.

Speaker 2:
[54:40] They must have thought they were going to take Makai to play the slots. The only thing I could think of.

Speaker 1:
[54:43] Yeah, I'm trying to make sense of it. We talk about it here in real time. But good for Makai Lemon. He's coming to the East Coast, coming to Philly.

Speaker 2:
[54:51] That's a big move.

Speaker 1:
[54:52] Yeah, that's a big move. But the damn Eagles making moves as always. The Steelers are up!

Speaker 2:
[54:58] Chris' favorite, the sandwich joint.

Speaker 1:
[55:00] Man, I'm starving. The Steelers are up and we're seeing it already. They need offensive linemen. We were just talking about this.

Speaker 2:
[55:06] There it is.

Speaker 1:
[55:07] Tackle or guard.

Speaker 2:
[55:08] Max Iheanachor. I was going to say.

Speaker 3:
[55:09] I'm telling you now.

Speaker 2:
[55:10] I saw the panic.

Speaker 3:
[55:12] The panic set in on Chris' face. Got her.

Speaker 1:
[55:14] Max Iheanachor? Yes, Iheanachor.

Speaker 2:
[55:18] They just did it.

Speaker 3:
[55:19] They took it off offensive linemen.

Speaker 2:
[55:21] Max Iheanachor to the Steelers. The question is, Chris, where is he going to play?

Speaker 1:
[55:25] Guard or tackle?

Speaker 2:
[55:26] Is it guard or tackle? Where is Broderick Jones at?

Speaker 1:
[55:28] What's his health at? That's what we have to find out.

Speaker 2:
[55:30] Because this guy is athletic enough to play left tackle.

Speaker 1:
[55:33] Right. He can do left tackle. And I think we both think he can do guard.

Speaker 2:
[55:36] I think so.

Speaker 1:
[55:36] Like if Broderick Jones' health is fine, you go Iheanachor can kick into guard. He's athletic as hell. He's a little raw. But we love the athlete. We love the strength. But yeah, there's a little bit of a risk here with a guy that barely played high school football, didn't play high school football.

Speaker 2:
[55:54] Showed up at community college. The game's new to him. Right.

Speaker 1:
[55:56] But I love his legs. He's got good arm length and he's an incredible athlete. And that's, of course, a lot to work with in the NFL.

Speaker 2:
[56:02] Yeah. From the raw traits perspective, this guy has it all, that tackle. The movement skills, obviously, the build, the raw strength. It's just you just got to get him under control, cut down the penalties. It's just from not playing a lot of high level football. And he was pretty battle tested playing at Arizona State. Some of the past friskers he got to see. I thought he was good in those matches.

Speaker 1:
[56:19] I thought one of his best games was Texas Tech.

Speaker 2:
[56:21] Which tells you everything you need to know.

Speaker 1:
[56:23] Exactly right.

Speaker 2:
[56:24] Yeah. So, Max Iheanachor. What a story, by the way, man. He moved here as a kid, I believe, from Nigeria.

Speaker 1:
[56:31] Right.

Speaker 2:
[56:32] And he played basketball and soccer, didn't play football in high school. His high school didn't have a team. And then he got found from a coaching connection at Community College, transfers up to Arizona State. Now he's the freaking 21st pick in the draft. I love that story.

Speaker 1:
[56:46] Yeah, it's an awesome story, incredible. And I think it's a good move by the Pittsburgh Steelers for what they needed. I know some people thought maybe they'd go receiver, but you know, they'd have Michael Pittman Jr., DK. Metcalf. Yeah. At some point, Roman Wilson's got to start working.

Speaker 2:
[56:58] He's got to do something.

Speaker 1:
[56:59] Right. Offensive line is the biggest issue there. And especially if Aaron Rodgers is going to be your quarterback. He's not going to be running around avoiding people anymore at this point in his career. Iheanachor. Yeah. I can see him be in guard right now and maybe a tackle in the future. Or Broderick Jones can't do it. Damn. They ride with him a tackle. We'll see where it goes. Good pick for the Steelers. Steelers fan base pumped up in Pittsburgh. Pick 22. Chargers is in. Rodgers up there. He's looking a little disheveled.

Speaker 2:
[57:26] Yeah, the hair is falling over the face.

Speaker 1:
[57:28] We've got to fix it, Roger. I mean, come on. Somebody's gotta do that. Wow.

Speaker 2:
[57:34] There's Mesidor.

Speaker 1:
[57:35] I'm joking.

Speaker 2:
[57:36] I got you. I got you. Collect yourself. Akheem Mesidor to the Chargers. I don't know how often edge pass rusher was talked about for the Chargers. We talked D Tackle. No, we talked Guard.

Speaker 1:
[57:46] Right.

Speaker 2:
[57:47] But Mesidor once again, this is maybe one of those situations they thought he was too good to pass up here. And we know Clil Mack is still really good. Well, you said it, Chris.

Speaker 1:
[57:55] It's one year.

Speaker 2:
[57:55] It's getting to the end. Tully Tullipolotu is the other pass rusher. So this was a sneaky need.

Speaker 1:
[58:01] It was a sneaky need. I think you're right. I think we kind of just chalked it up to they have a few other needs. They have Clil Mack. They have Tully Tullipolotu on the other side. I didn't know if they would be able to pull the trigger on the pass rusher, but I think it's a smart move.

Speaker 2:
[58:17] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[58:18] And I am a big Akheem Mesidor fan.

Speaker 2:
[58:19] Yes, you are.

Speaker 1:
[58:20] I really am. I think his bend is incredible. I think he's a pretty explosive first step off the edge. We know he's an ex-defense attack. He can play inside and do that. I am really impressed with him as a pass rusher. I know the age is a thing, but as I always say, it's a three to four year rental we're talking about. We'll deal with that when that time comes. Right now, he's a damn good football player.

Speaker 2:
[58:41] Yeah, and you think of some of that front office coming over from Baltimore. They always like the guys with heavy hands, pro ready hands. How do I get off the blocks? How do I counter move? And the motor runs hot all the time. Akheem Mesidor plays his ass off every single play from start to finish, and I bet they absolutely love that. I'm with you, Chris. The age became overthought. If he was going to be a top 10 pick, okay, let's have a combo. He was never going to be a top 10 pick. And the Chargers, they're trying to get it done right now. You hire Mike McDanil to run the offense. Now you get a pro ready pass rusher on team. They're making win now moves.

Speaker 1:
[59:11] Totally, and he's mature. He's ready to roll. And another guy just like his friend in Miami, in Rueben Bain, he will throw his body in front of the train.

Speaker 2:
[59:20] But fearless.

Speaker 1:
[59:21] He is fearless. He throws his body around. I really like this pick for the Chargers as I continue to choke on my sandwich here. Cowboys off the pick 23. They traded back a little bit. I'm thinking pass rusher or corner. That would be my guess.

Speaker 3:
[59:36] Oh, baby.

Speaker 1:
[59:39] The pass rusher coming off a little earlier than I thought.

Speaker 2:
[59:44] One of the most gifted athletes.

Speaker 1:
[59:46] Wow.

Speaker 2:
[59:46] On defense in the draft.

Speaker 1:
[59:47] Malachi Lawrence, without a doubt, is one of the best pass rushers in the draft. If you just took his pure patch searching skills, you'd go, I think he's a top 10 pick.

Speaker 2:
[59:55] It's just that when you run the ball, you don't know if he knows what's happening.

Speaker 1:
[59:58] Exactly right.

Speaker 2:
[59:59] But man, you talk about the speed, the bend, I mean, the flexibility, explosive pursuit speed.

Speaker 1:
[60:06] No question.

Speaker 2:
[60:07] When you watch him chase quarterbacks, he looks like a receiver runner. Yeah. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 1:
[60:12] He's got a chance to be a special football player. This to me is one of my favorite picks of the 20s right here so far. And then you look at this and what, yeah, we know we can rush the passer. They'll get the physical run game stuff out of them. I don't have any doubt about that. Exactly right. They got him to do what we're watching right now. He's got incredible bends, some of the best bend in the draft. He's extremely explosive. And I'm just looking at the Cowboys right now and going, man, you look at the Cowboys defense right now.

Speaker 2:
[60:38] It's looking different.

Speaker 1:
[60:39] It is definitely looking different. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[60:40] You ever hear of Caleb Downs?

Speaker 1:
[60:42] No. So you talk about the 2D tackles, Rashawn Gary, Caleb Downs in the mix now. And then of course now here with Malachi Lawrence, wow, have they improved this defense. And it's going to be a different defense altogether. Like we talked about with Christian Parker and the Eagles attitude and everything there. So I love this pick for the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 2:
[61:00] And maybe what they're getting back, right?

Speaker 1:
[61:01] See you.

Speaker 2:
[61:02] Do you get a Donovan Ezraku back healthy? Do you get a Savon Revell back healthy at corner?

Speaker 1:
[61:07] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[61:07] Where it's like we didn't have, we've been waiting on those guys.

Speaker 1:
[61:09] We've been waiting on it. Revell showed himself a little at the end of the year. But yeah, with Ezraku, you got to worry about first off an undersized pass dresser who has a hip problem.

Speaker 2:
[61:19] That's scary.

Speaker 1:
[61:19] That just had minor surgery.

Speaker 2:
[61:21] Right.

Speaker 1:
[61:21] And yeah, you don't know where he's going to be at the start of the year. So one, the player is awesome. Two, there is real fit for the team. And Malachi Lawrence, who I know was one of your favorites. Oh, loved him.

Speaker 2:
[61:31] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[61:31] There's going to be some teams pissed in the late round here. 28, 29, 30. They were hoping Malachi Lawrence would be there, but they didn't get him. The Cowboys did.

Speaker 2:
[61:42] All right. We got the Browns at 24. Their second pick in the first round.

Speaker 1:
[61:46] Got their old lineman.

Speaker 2:
[61:47] Got their old lineman. It's got to be a receiver, right?

Speaker 1:
[61:48] I'm picking receiver.

Speaker 2:
[61:49] Yeah. There it is.

Speaker 1:
[61:51] KC Concepcion. There he is.

Speaker 2:
[61:53] We were talking off of here saying Boston is still around. Right. Omar Cooper is still around. But if a team loved KC Concepcion.

Speaker 1:
[62:01] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[62:01] He had a real shot. He goes before both of them, Chris.

Speaker 1:
[62:04] I'm a little surprised. I had Omar Cooper go into the Browns here.

Speaker 2:
[62:09] That's what I think a lot of people thought.

Speaker 1:
[62:10] But this is the range where it all got kicked off. Sure.

Speaker 3:
[62:13] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[62:13] Where they were clustered together.

Speaker 1:
[62:14] Totally right. Smooth receiver, good route runner, right? Good speed.

Speaker 3:
[62:21] It's good speed.

Speaker 2:
[62:22] I want to make that clear.

Speaker 1:
[62:23] It doesn't blow you away, right? That was one of the things that was a little underwhelming when I put on the film. I thought, oh, wait, he's going to be blowing by people and he doesn't always do that, right? But regardless, there's another guy that I think between the size, the route running and, you know, the amount he's played, I think the NFL looks at it just as he's ready and he can help us right now.

Speaker 2:
[62:42] And when you think of fit, you think of all the things Todd Monken did with Zay Flowers in Baltimore, maybe not at A&M, but when KC was at NC State, he had a ton of carries, ton of carries, manufactured touches, so all those little scheme throws to get them the ball in their hands, maybe they bought into that as well.

Speaker 1:
[62:57] Yeah, and listen, he's a route runner and Todd Monken with his offense, I can certainly see him devising a lot of 10 to 15-yard type of routes where, yeah, he can separate that way. He's got very good hips to get out of breaks and do all that technical bullcrap that we talk about all the time, but they needed a receiver. That's the bottom line. Oh yeah. I mean, again, Shadour Sanders to Shawn Watson, it's a little bit like, yeah, we got Jerry Judy, he's nice, but that's about it. I mean, what's Jerry Judy? A low end two, maybe a top end three.

Speaker 2:
[63:28] Right, and then it's Harold Fanon.

Speaker 1:
[63:29] And then it's Harold Fanon.

Speaker 2:
[63:30] You need more.

Speaker 1:
[63:31] You needed more, they needed it. I think a lot of people thought they would go receiver around this time of the draft. Good for them getting KC Concepcion. Bears in at 25. This is good. This could go a few different ways right here. I mean, I really don't know.

Speaker 2:
[63:43] Gotta be defense, right?

Speaker 1:
[63:44] I would think detackler pass rusher. That's what I'd be thinking. Wow, they went with the safety. Dillon Thieneman.

Speaker 2:
[63:54] Big time ball hawk playmaker.

Speaker 1:
[63:56] Totally. They lost.

Speaker 2:
[64:00] Briskard.

Speaker 1:
[64:01] Kevin Byard.

Speaker 2:
[64:02] Yes, Byard is the one, the big one they lost.

Speaker 1:
[64:04] Yeah, definitely lost that. And they lost Briskard too, you're right.

Speaker 2:
[64:08] Two new safeties.

Speaker 1:
[64:08] So wait, now you got Dillon Thieneman with one of the guys that I loved in free agency, you know, and Kobe Bryant from Seattle.

Speaker 2:
[64:15] And they're interchangeable.

Speaker 3:
[64:17] Holy crap.

Speaker 1:
[64:18] You got two of the most athletic safeties in the game right there. Thieneman is a freaking nature. I had to see it to believe it. I thought it was the great white hope. I was like, no way. But the way he runs, the way he throws his body around, I certainly can understand a guy like Dennis Allen, where we know the defense has a lot of moving parts. So now he can trust him to kind of run the secondary and get everybody in the right coverages and do all that. Yeah, I actually, I didn't think about him here. Neither did I like this.

Speaker 2:
[64:46] There's nothing I know and think of the division they're in and the offenses they have to go up against. And like you said, Chris, I mean, the ball skills are great. But to be physical at the line of scrimmage, you got to be able to bring it downhill as well. Thieneman does that. This dude had six interceptions as a freshman at Purdue. Then he goes to Oregon and he's just as good of a player. And then he tests out of this world. One of the best moments of the year is Chris walking to the studio. Connor, is this white safety really that fast? Yes, Chris, he's really that fast. Thieneman's a first round pick.

Speaker 1:
[65:13] Yeah, he is. And the good for him, the Bears, Bears get him. And man, you look at the Bears in their roster right now.

Speaker 3:
[65:19] It's coming along. It is coming along.

Speaker 1:
[65:21] There's not too many weak spots on the football team. Good corner play. The de-tackle position is what we talk about. Or just that other pass rush. Other than that, you go, man, there's a lot to like about the Bears. There's not too many weak spots. Dillon Thieneman coming to Chicago to play safety tomorrow.

Speaker 2:
[65:39] Bear down.

Speaker 1:
[65:41] All right, we got the Texans in. Pick 26. They leapfrog the 49ers at 27.

Speaker 2:
[65:46] So they knew something.

Speaker 1:
[65:47] I would think this could be Peter Woods here.

Speaker 2:
[65:50] Scheme fit to a tee.

Speaker 1:
[65:51] They were scared that the 49ers may see Peter Woods at the same tee.

Speaker 2:
[65:55] That's right.

Speaker 1:
[65:55] And they were like, hey, wait, we know the 49ers should meet go Ryas. So we'll see. Here it is, Roger Goodell.

Speaker 3:
[66:01] Wow.

Speaker 2:
[66:03] They went with Keylan Rutledge.

Speaker 3:
[66:05] Hey, you know, I like you love this player.

Speaker 1:
[66:09] Yeah, I'm a big fan of Keylan Rutledge. I thought really again, coming from Georgia Tech, we know he's been caught, taught by an offensive line coach there.

Speaker 2:
[66:17] Sure.

Speaker 1:
[66:17] As the head coach, they ran the ball all game long, every game. Their thing was run the ball with the running back, run the ball with the quarterback where we're going to run the ball. And I thought this guy, as much as Vega Ioane was the best pass protecting, I thought this guy was one of the best run blocking guards in all the draft. I just didn't know if he would go this high.

Speaker 2:
[66:35] He's a big nasty. He's an agitator, is what I like to call him.

Speaker 1:
[66:39] Well, we loved our attitude, his attitude when he broke him down. He is nasty as hell.

Speaker 2:
[66:43] Mike, I mean, he'll block beyond the whistle, I would say, give you a little shot in the ribs, and then try to get you to punch him back to cause a penalty. So you get a little attitude on the offensive line. And I mean, with Stroud keeping him upright, Chris, you're right. This team has to run the ball next year. And this starts with this guy.

Speaker 1:
[66:58] So here's my thing, great pick, definitely going to work for the future. They do have Wyatt Teller.

Speaker 2:
[67:04] Yeah, probably like a one year kind of.

Speaker 1:
[67:06] So maybe it's just, yeah, it's a guy for the future and Wyatt Teller is up there in years, so if he gets hurt, then we can play him. Ed Ingram is the other guard. They extended Ed Ingram in the last year, in the spring. So that's where it's a little bit of an interesting. It is, it's a future and a death pick.

Speaker 2:
[67:25] So they really valued this guy.

Speaker 1:
[67:27] I think so. And I guess they were probably scared the 49ers might get involved. I can understand that thought, the 49ers need some guard and offensive line help. So that's what they were thinking ultimately.

Speaker 2:
[67:36] So they get their guy.

Speaker 1:
[67:37] And then they traded with, we had the Bills coming up.

Speaker 2:
[67:40] Who might have got Snipe for Thieneman?

Speaker 1:
[67:42] That's what we're thinking.

Speaker 2:
[67:43] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[67:43] And that's where the dots I'm trying to connect here in real time, right? They were sitting there thinking they were going to get Thieneman. They got jumped, the Bears take them. And so they went, wait, Thieneman is not there, let's trade down. So right now we're sitting here at Bears 25 Thieneman, Texans, LeapFrog, the 49ers get to 26 with Keylan Rutledge. And now the Dolphins are back up at pick 27 because the 49ers are going to pick 30 and move out.

Speaker 2:
[68:08] Right. Was there any chance the Niners were taking Rutledge?

Speaker 1:
[68:11] I don't think so. I never got that sense that that was the thing. No, I don't. If you would have asked me my spidey senses with the Niners, I feel like Thieneman was up there. Malachi Lawrence was up there.

Speaker 2:
[68:23] They just missed all these guys.

Speaker 1:
[68:24] So I feel like that. I thought maybe Peter Woods would be in the conversation.

Speaker 3:
[68:28] Maybe he still is.

Speaker 2:
[68:29] Maybe he still is.

Speaker 1:
[68:30] So we'll see where it goes here. But man, we're making some fun moves right now.

Speaker 2:
[68:34] Yeah. Everybody's kind of now jumping around the board at the end of the draft trying to make sure they get their guy before it goes to Friday night on round two.

Speaker 1:
[68:41] Pick 27. Miami Dolphins.

Speaker 2:
[68:44] So Miami moved up. They were at 30.

Speaker 1:
[68:47] They moved up and they traded with the Niners here, right? Chris Johnson, your man.

Speaker 2:
[68:53] So Chris Johnson goes before Colton Hood though. I'm shocked by that. I don't love that aspect.

Speaker 1:
[68:57] I don't either. I don't. Listen, Jeff Hathley, a defensive coach, so I understand they got needs at corner badly.

Speaker 2:
[69:03] They need a corner badly.

Speaker 1:
[69:04] Yeah. I mean, corner and receiver are the two that I sit here and look at at Miami and go, yeah, they need to do this for sure. I had a few questions about Chris Johnson. I'm actually shocked he's going in the first round. I thought he'd be middle second the round. Yeah. I mean, yes, I know he was out there at San Diego State. You don't get to see him match up against a top level receiver.

Speaker 2:
[69:22] That was my number one question.

Speaker 1:
[69:24] That scared me. And this is like, we're watching this highlight right here. There's just a semi lack of explosion that I just didn't think he was first round worthy.

Speaker 2:
[69:31] Yeah. I actually liked him better as an off cover corner where he can kind of use his eyes and zone awareness.

Speaker 1:
[69:36] Yeah, right.

Speaker 2:
[69:37] Rather than type man match up, am I going to open up and run all the time? Yeah, so I'm curious to see how half of Lee plans on utilizing him. Obviously, he's going to know what to do. But Chris, if you told me Chris Johnson over Colton Hood, I would have been, I'm not going to lie to you, I would have been a little surprised.

Speaker 1:
[69:50] I'm a little surprised is an understanding for me. I'm a lot of surprised. I would have gone Colton Hood all day long. Colton Hood to me is a guy that you can go, dude, he's the man, put him over there. You got him, go do your thing. So I am surprised. He's a good football player. Definitely one of the top 50 guys in the draft. But yeah, again, it almost seems safe and lacks the physical eliteness that at least that I would like to see go in the first round.

Speaker 2:
[70:14] So maybe they wanted to swing for the fences early with Proctor and then kind of go with a floor guy and Chris Johnson later. Maybe that was their thought with two picks in the first round.

Speaker 1:
[70:23] I would say that's probably it. And this is a team we know, they need help. They got a lot of holes. So they just went for something that they knew was going to work.

Speaker 2:
[70:30] Chris Johnson, the new headliner of the Dolphins Secondary.

Speaker 1:
[70:33] Here we go, the New England Patriots. They've been in the news a lot today, but it hasn't been for football if we're going to be real here. But now we're going to get to real football talk. Okay. Mike Ravel did have a pre-draft press conference. Whoa.

Speaker 2:
[70:47] Caleb Lomu, the tackle from Utah. And you know right away what the combo becomes. Yes. Is this the replace Morgan Moses on the right side? Yep. Lomu played left tackle. Right. But I asked him at the combine. He's been training to play both knowing this can happen.

Speaker 1:
[71:00] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[71:01] Or do this is the combo come up again about Will Campbell? I don't think so.

Speaker 1:
[71:04] I don't think so.

Speaker 2:
[71:05] I think this is more about the right side.

Speaker 1:
[71:06] I think so, too. Now, whether that happens this year is another guy. Incredible athlete.

Speaker 2:
[71:10] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[71:11] I mean, long, tall as hell. My whole thing with him was almost like his counterpart on the team. Fano of just physicality at times. Anchor is what I worried about. But again, guys this size, right? With this kind of athleticism, they just don't come around that often. And we're seeing right now the NFL is going, man, we need big people. Yeah, big people.

Speaker 2:
[71:34] And the old linemen are just falling off trees right now in the first round with a twitchy lower half and kind of mirror pass rushers. My big question for him, Chris, was he's almost starting from scratch in the run game.

Speaker 1:
[71:43] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[71:44] The run game to me was a total nonfactor. I loved him in pass, bro. I thought in the run game, he just didn't get anything. And he's young. He's only been starting a couple of years. He's a younger player. They're going to have to coach that up. But that is something to me that is something to watch with his development.

Speaker 1:
[71:56] Yeah. Well, I think that the development word is what you're talking about here. I think you said it right. They got Morgan Moses. He'll be the starter this year, unless he gets hurt. And then they can work on some of the things you're talking about with Caleb Lomu. But the thing that I think you look about for the future, for the New England Patriots, and you go, wow, you got him in right tackle, like you said. You got Will Campbell at left tackle. Elijah Vera Tucker at guard. You know, Michael Uweinyu is one of the better guards in football, the other guard. And then Jared Wilson at center, and you start to go, man, this Patriot O-line could set up to be really good for a long time. And that's Mike Vrabel football. We know that.

Speaker 2:
[72:29] Back to back years, the Patriots invest the first round pick into an offensive tackle.

Speaker 1:
[72:33] All right, Kansas City Chiefs picked 29. I mean, defensive tackle, maybe.

Speaker 2:
[72:41] Sure, Kadyn McDonald.

Speaker 1:
[72:42] We were joking Colton Hood is still on the board, and we're going, damn, they can replace the two corners they lost to the Rams right here tonight and be done with it.

Speaker 2:
[72:50] Spags has control of the war room, if that happens.

Speaker 1:
[72:52] I mean, I'm really interested to see what happens right here.

Speaker 2:
[72:55] As Roger's walking up right now. So they moved up for Delane.

Speaker 1:
[72:57] Yep.

Speaker 2:
[72:58] And now they're sticking at 29.

Speaker 1:
[73:05] Here comes Peter Woods goes first round tackle. There we go.

Speaker 2:
[73:10] More of a gap shooter disruptor gambler, right? Not to hold the four.

Speaker 1:
[73:15] No.

Speaker 2:
[73:16] So they sign.

Speaker 1:
[73:18] Oh, and there he is. Peter Woods is pissed.

Speaker 2:
[73:20] Yeah, he's not happy.

Speaker 1:
[73:21] He's mad. He's still on the board. He barely wants to put the Chiefs hat on right now. He's all mad. He's cracked his neck four times as we're sitting here.

Speaker 2:
[73:28] Everyone else around him was happy until they realized how pissed he was.

Speaker 1:
[73:31] Well, listen, Peter Woods was not one of my favorites, but I can understand it. If you want to run the kind of defense where you're going to slant and stunt, shoot gaps and do that, which the Chiefs do a great deal of that, that's where, okay, this makes sense. If you want him to sit there and just hold the four down, it's not for you. See you later. It'll be five yards down the field. But yeah, they're going to move them and they're going to be like that and they're going to be aggressive and cause disruption and blitz and do things off of that. And Peter Woods is an incredible athlete, probably the most athletic detact on the field.

Speaker 2:
[74:02] Such a good athlete that in 2024, they would have him play stand up edge and then all the way down to nose tackle. So the Spags might be looking at that and be like, we could do anything with this guy. Let's get the most out of him. He was a force in 2024. He was not the same player this year. Nobody has the answer for that. But the Chiefs are obviously comfortable enough saying they're going to get back to being the guy in 2024. So this is a high risk, high reward pick. But Kansas City, they're not afraid of making those.

Speaker 1:
[74:28] They're not afraid to make it. They know how to develop guys. They got the right leaders on their football team, too, that can then bring along guys like this and have them conform to what they do or what they're asking him to do. Peter Woods is a freak show athlete. We've worried about his ability just to stop the run. That's it. But I don't think they're going to put him in those positions. They're going to put him at three technique or head up on the tackle. And then so, hey, go in there, shoot and create chaos. We'll see what happens. But it's definitely a risky pick for the Kansas State Chiefs of Peter Woods.

Speaker 2:
[74:59] Chiefs defense looks a lot different after just one night.

Speaker 1:
[75:02] Oh, your Jets just had to try to steal the show. Three picks in the first round. Man, they had three picks a few years ago.

Speaker 2:
[75:12] Yeah, and they got one of those guys left.

Speaker 1:
[75:14] Let's see if they can get it. Here we go. Omar Cooper.

Speaker 2:
[75:18] They loved this guy. They had a visit with Omar Cooper. A lot of people, including myself, thought he'd be the pick at 16. They took Kenyon Sadiq. I don't know anybody that thought Omar Cooper would be there at 30, which is why the Jets moved in. I'm assuming from 33 to go get him at 30.

Speaker 1:
[75:31] Yeah, well, another guy, again, that is pro-ready, going to contribute to your football team right away, can play outside, can play inside, can do it both, tough as hell over the middle. He's twitchy. Now again, I sit here, just like I said, with Makai Lemon, I'm going to be true to what I've said throughout the process. I like Omar Cooper, I did not really think he was a first round, physical explosive type of wide receiver. But we've seen here, this is the new NFL. The new NFL is more about the safe and we want somebody that is dependable right away and we don't even think of labeled as, oh, you drafted a first round bus that had one elite trade. But Cooper, again, we saw him do a lot of great things last year, catches the ball in traffic. He's not going to be your blazer run by guys. No, it's going to be a run over the middle, break a tackle, maybe get a few extra yards, run over the middle. He snatches the ball out of the air with his hands to where he does run aggressive over the middle to where he can get yacked that way.

Speaker 2:
[76:32] I'm fascinated to see how Frank Reich aligns these guys because you've got Garrett Wilson that plays inside and outside, you got Adonai Mitchell, kind of a perimeter stretch receiver. You obviously now have Omar Cooper. They just took Kenyon Sadiq, who also plays in the slot. So you got Gino, who loves to throw the ball around the yard. You got Frank Reich, who likes, you would think, to try to push the ball down the field a little bit on this offense. And you added two pass catchers in the first round that are very different. Sadiq is one of the most explosive athletes in the entire draft. Omar Cooper, he wants to catch a shallow crosser and run through your face.

Speaker 1:
[77:02] Well, and the thing I take away from the Jets with all three picks is they got guys that are going to be able to help their team out right now.

Speaker 2:
[77:08] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[77:08] A dress free agency with a defense and older veteran proven players. All right. You get a freak show off the edge and David Bailey, a pick number two to help the pass rush. And now, Gino Smith, Frank Reichen, everybody got some weapons to go along with Garrett Wilson and Brice Haldaware. Hey, the Jets have done some good things this off season where you look at their roster and go, no, they got a fighting chance. I'm not sitting here saying they're in the playoffs, but they could be a real big pain in the ass in the AFC next year.

Speaker 2:
[77:34] Here we go. Titans move back in, and they're 1-1.

Speaker 1:
[77:36] Trading back in. I mean, we're sitting here right now. We don't know what they're doing for us.

Speaker 2:
[77:41] This is one of the most unpredictable picks of the night.

Speaker 1:
[77:43] I have no clue what the Titans are trying to think right now. We've talked about pass rusher. Could there be an offensive lineman or a guard we're talking about here?

Speaker 2:
[77:53] Pregnon would, or Basantis would be next up at guard.

Speaker 1:
[77:56] Basantis, I would think in most NFL eyes, he's called Pregnon, even though I like Pregnon better. Wow, they went Keldric Faulk.

Speaker 2:
[78:06] I wouldn't have got that one just on style.

Speaker 1:
[78:08] Well, the pass rushers that were out there, Zion Young, TJ. Parker and Keldric Faulk. We all looked at, and we were just talking about this a little going, these aren't really Seattle scheme Robert Sala type of guys, but I think at the end of the day, when you really look at Tennessee and we hit this on yesterday's pod a little bit, they don't have another pass rusher right now. You know, I'm going to mess up his name from UCLA, Olafemi Odejo.

Speaker 2:
[78:35] He did pretty good honestly.

Speaker 1:
[78:36] I did pretty good.

Speaker 2:
[78:37] Thanks a lot.

Speaker 1:
[78:38] Sometimes I can speak English.

Speaker 2:
[78:39] No, you didn't have the confidence. I didn't have the confidence.

Speaker 1:
[78:42] You're right. But he's coming off in a torn Achilles tendon. They really like that.

Speaker 2:
[78:46] So they're expecting a lot from Jermaine Johnson who they traded for. John Franklin Myers kind of plays the big end. But I thought this guy would do that. That's where I'm a little confused.

Speaker 1:
[78:54] So I feel like this means Jonathan Franklin Myers is going to be their three technique and they're going to ask him to be Mr. Disrupt Guy. And now you're going to put this guy out on the edge and be the strong side DM.

Speaker 2:
[79:04] There you go.

Speaker 1:
[79:04] Right. I think that's what we're talking about here. And I can understand that. This guy's got all the skills and the size to be the man. But I think you saw the same thing I saw where it's like, yeah, the tools are there, but they haven't been unleashed yet. He's not real physical. He's not great with the pass rush. Doesn't always play with the intensity.

Speaker 2:
[79:22] I like, yeah, right. It's a little bit of kind of read, react, hold the four rather than let me pin my ears back and create chaos now, which isn't always his fault. That's going to be the defense.

Speaker 1:
[79:31] Well, that's I think that's maybe that was the thought process. Maybe I think that's what you can look at and go, wait, he played at Auburn. We're not going to ask him to do that. So we're going to make the game simple for him. Hey, you big sucker, stand out here, get wide and just get after the quarterback and don't think about a whole lot. And we've talked about this a lot. Guys like this, when they usually get around the NFL and they get a psycho defensive coach like Sala, they start putting the poker by their ass all the time. Let's go, you got to play harder. He starts to see Jermaine Johnson, how psycho he is. And he realizes, oh, wait, I got to play this way to make it in the NFL. And I was around guys, and there's been a lot of guys in the history of the NFL who came in and we worried about the physicality. And then they get in and they become beasts.

Speaker 2:
[80:13] It's interesting, Robert Sala with the Niners last year, they took Mike L. Williams, who was big but a raw pass rusher. Flash forward a year, Sala with the Titans now, he takes Keldric Faulk, he's big but he's a raw pass rusher.

Speaker 1:
[80:24] It's a very similar taste.

Speaker 2:
[80:26] Sala doesn't fear that like some other coaches might.

Speaker 1:
[80:28] And honestly, I didn't know if he would do that two years in a row.

Speaker 2:
[80:30] I didn't think so.

Speaker 1:
[80:31] Interesting pick for him with Keldric Faulk here at the end of the first round. Who's emotional because I'm sure he wasn't sure he was going to make it here into the first round. Seattle Seahawks pick 32, the fastest first round ever.

Speaker 2:
[80:44] Ridiculous.

Speaker 1:
[80:44] I mean, really, the clock change.

Speaker 2:
[80:46] It felt like there was a lot more rhythm.

Speaker 1:
[80:48] I kind of like it, though. Me too. I don't want to be here till midnight on this side.

Speaker 2:
[80:51] This is a good change. All right.

Speaker 1:
[80:52] What do you think? They going guard here? What are they going to do? Are they going to go pass pressure? Are they going to go Zion Young here?

Speaker 2:
[80:58] I could see Colton Hood.

Speaker 1:
[81:01] TJ Parker.

Speaker 2:
[81:01] I could see Zion Young or TJ Parker. Do they have the Cajons to take Jadarian Price?

Speaker 1:
[81:09] That would be interesting. That would.

Speaker 2:
[81:11] This backfield needs a difference, man. Now you might not have to do it at 32. You might not have to.

Speaker 1:
[81:16] Right.

Speaker 2:
[81:17] But I don't think John Schneider fears that.

Speaker 1:
[81:20] No, I don't think so.

Speaker 2:
[81:21] But man, there's a lot of good players left, Chris.

Speaker 1:
[81:22] They talk about having maybe Uchenna Nwusu on the trading block, right?

Speaker 2:
[81:28] So maybe it is edge rusher.

Speaker 1:
[81:29] It could be pass rusher.

Speaker 2:
[81:30] Cassius Howard. This would be early, but.

Speaker 1:
[81:32] Right. I feel like they would like a TJ Parker or a Zion Young if they do go pass rusher. But I feel like it's that or going to be guard. That would be my two.

Speaker 2:
[81:42] That would be Basantes.

Speaker 1:
[81:43] Yeah, I would think it would be Basantes.

Speaker 2:
[81:45] Man, the the announcement of the pick on fire right now. He is having the time of his life. I love this.

Speaker 1:
[81:54] Here it comes. Seattle, 30 second pick. Let's go.

Speaker 2:
[82:03] They did it.

Speaker 1:
[82:04] Jadarian Price in the first round. He laid in the weeds with it, really.

Speaker 2:
[82:08] He does not fear taking the running back early.

Speaker 1:
[82:10] Main comments about, you know, we can find running backs. He was very casual and cavalier about it.

Speaker 3:
[82:16] Yeah, everyone fooled.

Speaker 1:
[82:18] That is amazing. I love this. Jadarian Price was a first round running back. We both thought that all along.

Speaker 2:
[82:23] All day.

Speaker 1:
[82:23] We made fun, or you heard me make fun of people on Monday and Tuesday.

Speaker 2:
[82:27] We haven't seen him do it.

Speaker 1:
[82:28] We haven't had enough. He hasn't been the main guy. I'm not sure if he can do it. And I just say that's bullcrap. He's going to be the main guy. And he's going to be one of the best big play running backs in football. I mean, his ability to run the ball up the middle for a big play or not like what he has up the middle and then find ways to bounce outside. As we were watching a play just like that right here. That to me is what's incredible about this guy. He has a knack for the big play. And I'm glad to see him go in the first round. Because he's a first round talent.

Speaker 2:
[82:56] Man Chris in outside zone he is so gifted. Some guys just have that feel to glide. Some guys cut and fire off. Some guys glide. He's a glider to me.

Speaker 1:
[83:04] I look so smooth. Exactly right. And also here's one of the things I heard from some people talking about it. They weren't sure about okay yeah he hasn't been the guy. He hasn't been a bell cow. The other thing was contact balance. And you know I was kind of like what? It was never a problem to me. I don't know. I saw enough plays and watched Notre Dame over the years. And even through my study to go, man I see the guy kind of roll off hits and tackles and absorb them all the time. The Seahawks are a phenomenal team. They didn't need many positions here.

Speaker 2:
[83:38] What's the identity of their team though?

Speaker 1:
[83:41] Running the football, right.

Speaker 2:
[83:42] Who the hell was going to run the ball?

Speaker 1:
[83:43] I know, exactly right. They got Zach Charbonnet coming off a knee injury. So yeah this was the right move. So now you got Jadarian Price and then you got Emmanuel Wilson as the backup behind him. I like that a lot until Zach Charbonnet gets back and ready to go. Phenomenal pick, gutsy pick right there by the Seattle Seahawks.

Speaker 2:
[83:59] That's the move. Good for them. All right, round one from the 2026 NFL Draft and the Books. Chris, right out of the gate, what did you love?

Speaker 1:
[84:06] Well, the G-man.

Speaker 2:
[84:07] That's pretty good.

Speaker 1:
[84:08] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[84:08] Arvell Reese at five.

Speaker 1:
[84:09] Well, it was shocking. I mean, the fact that he was there, right, I don't know what they're going to do with him. But like we talked about, yeah, I think ultimately he's going to be an elite pass rusher. But I think right away, he's one of the best middle linebackers in football. And then Mauioa Noah, we both loved him. He was really my second favorite offensive lineman in the draft. He could play guard or tackle. We know the Giants need offensive line help. So I don't know if it's guard right now and guard forever, or if it's ultimately going to be right tackle at some point.

Speaker 2:
[84:37] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[84:37] But regardless, the Giants certainly jump out to me as one of the teams that killed it here tonight.

Speaker 2:
[84:42] I'm with you all the way. The trickle effect of that, Rueben Bain falls out of the top 10.

Speaker 1:
[84:46] One of my favorites there.

Speaker 2:
[84:47] What a heist for the Bucks. I mean, you don't have to move to get him. He's a top 10 player. Yeah, I get it. The arm length is short. They needed somebody that can rush with power and with flexibility right now. Todd Bowles gets Rueben Bain at 15. I thought they were going to take his teammate Mesidor as a consolation.

Speaker 1:
[85:01] Yeah, because Bain would have been gone already.

Speaker 2:
[85:02] They get the guy.

Speaker 1:
[85:03] Right, right. I agree. That would be one of my favorite picks. I'm with you there all the way. I will say NFC East, the Dallas Cowboys, getting Caleb Downs and then getting your guy, Malachi Lawrence, because this guy right here was the first guy I heard say, hey, I think this Malachi Lawrence is a first-rounder. So yeah, legit pass rusher. I mean, literally, you can make, if you just went from pass rushing, go, his pass rushing skills are top 15 in the draft. Yeah. Right. So they get him with Caleb Downs. That's incredible. And then the gutsiest, my favorite, awesome pick of the night is the Vikings, gut taking Caleb Banks, who I think has really got the greatest potential to be the best defensive tackle in the draft class. He had the injury, had a few immature concerns there, but for the Vikings with a desperate need to get a player that I think is going to be Chris Jones, part two. I love that pick right there.

Speaker 2:
[85:55] You look at some things that you question, Chris, for me, I get it. It's a great story for Ty Simpson that he ends up being a top 15 pick. I'm looking at the Rams as a team that could win the Super Bowl next year. I would have liked them to grab a playmaker that helps you in this year figure out quarterback later. Maybe I'll look foolish for that if Ty Simpson is a high end quarterback in a couple years. I just didn't think you had to do it now, especially with the receivers that were on the board.

Speaker 1:
[86:16] I'm going to second you there. I would not have done it. I would not. I mean, you got a chance. I guarantee the NFC West celebrated in their meeting rooms when they saw the Rams were going to take a quarterback that wasn't going to help out their team this year and maybe not help out their team next year. I mean, what do we think? If Matthew Stafford plays at an MVP level, I don't think he's going to retire. He's in a spot here where he's going to add to his legacy. He's still awesome, the physical abilities there. So yeah, I don't get that. And like we talked about with Ty Simpson, I'll double down with it in that one, okay, it's awesome and he gets to work with McVeigh. And the fact that McVeigh sees something in him certainly is a special thing. But he could be sitting on the bench for two years. And this is a guy that only played one year of college football. And that would concern me a little bit as we go forward here.

Speaker 2:
[87:03] When you look at the rest of this draft, it could be something that surprised you, it could be something that you doubt. Was there anything else? I know we were a little surprised that Keldric Faulk, things got a little crazy at the end of the round.

Speaker 1:
[87:12] The Keldric Faulk thing certainly, I would have preferred TJ Parker or Zion Young if I were the Tennessee Titans there at the end of the first round. The other thing that I did love is, you know, stop the analytics and let's, the Jadarian Price pick at 32 with the Seattle Seahawks, I love that as well. So that was another one that jumped out to me in a big way. The offensive line run we saw between Pick 9 and Pick 26, I think again just shows you where the league's at right now. Offensive linemen are hard to come by and we know there's so many good defensive, defensive linemen around the whole league and we go with what's in vogue and we just saw two run first teams in the Super Bowl and the year before that we saw the Philadelphia Eagles with a big offensive line in the Super Bowl, the Detroit Lions have been one of those teams and I think everybody's still trying to kind of copycat that formula out there especially in the offensive line part of it.

Speaker 2:
[88:07] We saw teams also that tried to remake their offensive lines this off season double down. The Browns made a lot of moves in free agency and trades and then they drafted one. The Texans made a lot of moves in the pro market as well and then they drafted one. So there's teams that are going, you might not even play right out of the gate but we need to load up on this group over and over again.

Speaker 1:
[88:23] And I like the Texans taking...

Speaker 2:
[88:25] Keylan Rutledge.

Speaker 1:
[88:26] I like him out of duty.

Speaker 2:
[88:27] He's nasty.

Speaker 1:
[88:28] He is nasty. He's going to help them out right away and open up some holes for David Montgomery and we know pass protection O-line has been an issue there for the Houston Texans. So, yeah, interesting draft. That one run of O-line room is unbelievable. We saw the Eagles make a play again for Makai Lemon, which I get that Makai Lemon not my favorite, but they needed a guy again that could help them out because AJ Brown is not going to be there. Awesome draft. And I think, listen, I'm even more excited about tomorrow. You know, me, in a lot of years, I come away going, my favorite players are really most of the times, the guys that go from 30 to 55. Yeah, the value picks. No, or they have all the talent, but there's something off the field that, oh, we're just not sure about or an injury to where you go, no, this guy's super talented and he just has this one flaw, but I don't think it's a big deal. I think we're going to see a lot of guys go like that tomorrow.

Speaker 2:
[89:19] Yeah, some of the top guys available for your board and my board tomorrow. We got Zion Young, the pass rusher from Missouri.

Speaker 1:
[89:24] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[89:25] We got TJ Parker, the pass rusher from Clemson.

Speaker 1:
[89:27] Right.

Speaker 2:
[89:27] I am floored that Chris Johnson went over Colton Hood tonight.

Speaker 1:
[89:30] Exactly.

Speaker 2:
[89:31] Everybody's got their own team. And they're very different corners. So I get that.

Speaker 1:
[89:34] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[89:34] But Colton, somebody's going to get a good starter in Colton Hood at the top of tomorrow.

Speaker 1:
[89:38] Totally. I mean, Kaden McDonald.

Speaker 2:
[89:40] Oh, man.

Speaker 1:
[89:40] Still there. Denzel Boston from Washington.

Speaker 2:
[89:43] I'm shocked by that.

Speaker 1:
[89:44] I am shocked by that as well. Zachariah Branch, even though he got in trouble with the law here in the past week, I think he's a guy that has a chance to go off the board here in the top 20 picks. So yeah, there's that. And there was one more guy that I was going to mention here. But, regardless, our safety, McNeil Warren from Toledo. Exactly right. Another guy where you just look at it and go, yeah, so tune in to round two of the Tomorrow's Draft. We won't be there. We'll be watching it. We're not doing this tomorrow. All right? But you want to hear all reactions to everything. Monday, live, 10 a.m., YouTube. You know where to find me and Rogers. This is what we do. We'll be tuned into the draft all weekend long, and then we'll tell you everything about it on Monday. Come check us out. Appreciate you hanging in the barn once again, big guy.

Speaker 2:
[90:27] Thanks for hosting us.

Speaker 1:
[90:28] Of course. Thank you to my baby mama, aka my wife Danielle, for making this all happen once again. She did awesome. And then shout out to Stacey's Sandwich Joint, Verona, New Jersey. Check that out. Her sandwiches are awesome. Everybody should check that out. All right, everybody, be good. Thanks for tuning in. Hope you enjoyed the draft pod. We'll see you Monday on Chris Simms Unbuttoned.