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[02:22] The first day of the NFL draft finally came and went, but the first selection for the 49ers is still yet to come. The 49ers traded back twice in the first round, and now they are scheduled to have the first pick on day two at number 33 overall. Jennifer Lee Chan and I will recap the events of the day that led to the 49ers moving backward to increase their draft capital. We'll also be joined by NBC Sports Bay Area analyst, Rod Brooks, to set the stage for what might be a store of the 49ers on Friday evening. We'll have all that and much more on this episode of 49ers Talk coming at you right now.

Speaker 9:
[02:58] Welcome to another episode of 49ers Talk on NBC Sports Bay area.com. Introducing your hosts, Matt Maiocco and Jennifer Lee Chan.

Speaker 8:
[03:09] This is 49ers Talk brought to you by Big O Tires. Their ProTech Plus warranty offers free flat repairs, replacements and roadside assistance. So tire trouble is no trouble at all when you buy your next set of new tires at Big O Tires. Jennifer, we've been talking for months about day one of the NFL Draft, what the 49ers might do. And I would say that over all the things we talked about, we did cover the base of the 49ers trading out of the first round. And that's exactly what they did.

Speaker 10:
[03:40] I mean, we talked about them wanting to trade back, accumulate more picks. And John Lynch has been very clear about wanting to do that. He's been saying, I want to add picks. They're always looking for more picks, and that's exactly what they did.

Speaker 8:
[03:51] Yeah, what do you think of that strategy?

Speaker 10:
[03:53] I think it's good. They only had six picks. They had number 27, they had number 58, and then they had four picks in the fourth round. Six. It's a little bit more than half of what they had last year. They had 11. All 11 are still on the roster. They are very proud of that fact. So to only have six, I know they are looking for more.

Speaker 8:
[04:11] So as far as numbers, they only pick up one pick, a seventh pick that they have in this track. But their draft capital is considerably better. So the first trade they made from 27, they traded their pick at 27 and their pick at 138 to Miami to pick up Miami's 30th and 90th. And then they traded their one pick at 30 to the Jets, and they pick up the Jets picks at 33 and 179. So the bottom line is 32 picks are off the board and the 49ers have the 33rd pick. And then late Thursday night when Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch spoke to the assembled media, they certainly did not rule out the possibility that they were in business to trade back even further.

Speaker 10:
[05:02] Right, I think the whole point is that they had guys that they had in mind that they could take a 27, they were ready to turn the card in if they got there. But the guys that they wanted did not last until number 27. And we can speculate who it might be.

Speaker 8:
[05:15] Oh, I'll speculate.

Speaker 10:
[05:16] Yeah? Alright. So number 27, they didn't have their guys on the board, so the guy that was next on their list was not going to get picked, they didn't think, until the next day. And so they moved back, they were able to move back, and that person is still on the board.

Speaker 8:
[05:34] Yeah, the guy that I think that they were, they had their eye on was Malachi Lawrence, the defensive end edge rusher from Central Florida. That to me was the guy, he was the guy that I mocked to them at 27th. I think a lot of 49er fans, the only complaints I heard was, oh, they could get him later, they could trade back, but I think obviously the NFL had a very high opinion of him. John Lynch was asked specifically about Casey Concepcion, and reading the body language, I don't think that was the guy. I could tell that they didn't want to say no, but they wanted to give him some praise, and just kind of linger out there, but reading that body language.

Speaker 10:
[06:17] They said he was a nice guy, they had a great time with him, really exceptional player, loved what he does with the ball in his hands, but it didn't sound like it was utter disappointment. Yes, they're never gonna admit that's the guy who they wanted, but I just don't think that that was the one.

Speaker 8:
[06:31] Yeah, I'm sticking with Malachi Lawrence as the guy, because we're the 49ers picked at 27, or where they were scheduled to pick at 27. It wasn't any of those guys taken after him, because they would have taken him. It appeared to me, they could have, Caleb Lomu wasn't really on the radar. Omar Cooper was the guy that I thought they could like, but I also think that that wide receiver isn't that high on the list, because if they were going to take a wide receiver, I would have thought that it would be Cooper. And quite clearly, it was nobody behind Cooper. Denzel Boston is still out there. So it just tells you that I think after the one or two guys that they thought there was a chance of them being there, after those guys were gone, then it was kind of like, okay, here's a bucket of five or six guys who are all kind of the same, and let's just see who's there, and they'd be happy with any one of those guys.

Speaker 10:
[07:31] Right, and I still think that the priority for the 49ers is Ed Rusher. Like you said, yes, they could add to the wide receiver room, Mike Evans, Christian Kirk, on a one-year deal ultimately. I mean, when you break it all down, they could add to the wide receiver room, but I think it's so much more important for them to be able to get after opposing quarterbacks, and that's with an Ed Rusher.

Speaker 8:
[07:51] Yeah, I just think they do have an opening at left guard, and one surprise, I think, in this draft in the first round, one of these surprises, certainly not the big surprise, but one surprise was Keelan Rutledge, the guard from Georgia Tech, going at number 26. To me, that told me that Houston thought, because Houston traded up ahead of the 49ers, to me, Houston thought that they had to get ahead of the 49ers to make that selection. Now, he was a guy that I had going to the 49ers in the second round at 58, but quite clearly D'Amico-Ryans and company have a high opinion of Keelan Rutledge. And so I talked about that being one of the surprises, but that certainly wasn't the surprise of Thursday.

Speaker 10:
[08:39] No, the big surprise was the Rams taking a quarterback with their pick. They take Ty Simpson at number 13 when they have an MVP Hall of Fame quarterback on their roster and Matt Stafford. It's just, it's so surprising.

Speaker 8:
[08:56] I felt like when Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch were asked about the Rams making that move, their face almost exploded in glee at the thought of that, because they were quite upfront that they were shocked that the Rams would do that.

Speaker 10:
[09:17] Yeah, it was, again, reading the body language, John Lynch was like, he's a great player.

Speaker 8:
[09:22] Yeah, and he admitted like there was surprise there. And Ty Simpson is a player that we've talked a lot about on 49ers Talk as being somebody who could end up in the NFC West, just didn't think he'd be with the Rams, a team that is built to win now. And maybe they felt like they were playing with the house's money after they traded away that late first round pick to get Trenton McDuffie. But man, they could have gotten any number of impactful players. And I think Ty Simpson is anything but a sure thing when his time comes. And the Rams probably hope that his time doesn't come for at least a couple more years, as long as Matthew Stafford's around.

Speaker 10:
[10:05] Yeah. I mean, they're just, yes, I know they like their very young, very fast, hard-hitting defense. They've got great linemen there that have done a nice job. But why wouldn't you? I know it's not a position of need, but I think you can always add a defensive lineman. They're on rotation. It's not someone that needs to be a starter right now, but at least you're building for the future. I mean, that defensive line group is going to get older eventually. You're like adding youth to the defensive line is something that is never a bad choice.

Speaker 8:
[10:35] I'm going to give you two names that I think the 49ers would have been groaning if they'd taken either one of these players, Ruben Bain, the edge rusher from Miami, and also McKay Limon. The Rams have already one of the best wide receivers in the league, who's going through some issues right now. And to have another wide receiver like McKay Limon, who you obviously watched all the time at USC.

Speaker 10:
[11:03] I mean, he gets open, he gets open, right? He gets open, he is dynamic. When he has the ball in his hands, he gets yards after catch. He's just so hard to defend. And he's a guy that's ready to step in day one. Now there were questions about his interviews at the combine, which is why he fell down a little bit.

Speaker 8:
[11:21] Are you saying that a wide receiver might be a diva?

Speaker 10:
[11:25] Oh, he just was a little odd. For the type of play that he had on the field, if he had just been, what was really interesting at the combine, he was there and his teammate was to the left of him. Both USC receivers went up at the same time. And, Mackay Lemon was just kind of, I get, I understand the confidence, but it was just a little bit of attitude. And I don't know if that you want to show that much attitude when you haven't been drafted yet, but his teammate was much more conversational and interesting to talk to and kind of more down to earth than I was just, it was very interesting.

Speaker 8:
[12:04] Okay, so as it stands right now, let's go through the 49ers picks. They started the day on Thursday with six picks. It was one in the first, one in the second and four in the fourth. Now, they have two in the second at 33 and 58. They have one in the third at 90, and that basically replaces the pick that they originally had at 92, which they traded for Osadigzua from the Dallas Cowboys. They also now, instead of four picks in the fourth round, they have three picks in the fourth round, one 27, one 33, one 39, and then they picked up a pick in the fifth round. And I know you pointed out that they have very good success, the 49ers do, in the fifth round.

Speaker 10:
[12:48] They do. I mean, namely George Kittle, Dre Greenlaw, who else we got there?

Speaker 8:
[12:55] Let's see, we got Kittle, of course. You know what? DJ Reed, the one that got away.

Speaker 10:
[13:02] Definitely.

Speaker 8:
[13:03] He was a really good player. They should have kept him. Dre Greenlaw, Colton McKivitt, a fifth round pick. And now he's turned into one of the better right tackles.

Speaker 10:
[13:11] Right, Diomidor Lenore.

Speaker 8:
[13:12] Diomidor Lenore as well. Talano Hufanga was a fifth round pick. Jalen Moore, who got bank, going to Kansas City, was a fifth round pick. And I guess that's about it as far as, but yeah, that's-

Speaker 10:
[13:27] That's a lot of fifth round picks that have been good for them.

Speaker 8:
[13:29] They've had, frankly, more success in the fifth round than they've had in the first round.

Speaker 10:
[13:33] They have, they have. I mean, guys that have gotten second contracts that are still with the team that have contributed. I mean, George Kittle, alone, if that was the only one that they made in the fifth round, the fifth round picks are worth it.

Speaker 8:
[13:45] Yeah, so the 49ers have a lot of different ways that they can do, or ways that they can go at number 33. We'll go through all that when we're joined by Rod Brooks, NBC Sports Bay Area Analyst extraordinaire. We'll go through some of the names, but we were, as the draft was rolling, we kept like, okay, these five guys are still there, and one by one, they kind of went away, but there are still some of those guys that we talked a lot about. All Things Being Equal, EdgeRusher.

Speaker 10:
[14:21] Yeah, I mean, that's the one that I think I've been on since we started talking about the draft. I just think they need 20 sacks. They need more than that next year. They have to have more than 20 sacks. That was dismal. They need...

Speaker 8:
[14:35] It was pathetic. It was pathetic. And here's the thing. I mean, yeah, they'll be getting Nick Bosa back. And, you know, he's on the road to a dark room.

Speaker 10:
[14:43] And Michael Williams and Keon White and everyone else.

Speaker 8:
[14:48] They have Sam Okwano back, but none of those guys...

Speaker 10:
[14:52] They're not guys who are going after the quarterback.

Speaker 8:
[14:54] Except for Bosa.

Speaker 10:
[14:55] Right. He's the only one who's the pass rusher on there. They're all run stuffers. They all are great at stopping the run, closing the gaps. But the only edge rusher they have is Nick Bosa.

Speaker 8:
[15:05] And they didn't generate takeaways. And a lot of that is the edge rusher. You know, the pressure on the quarterback either affecting bad throws or strip sacks, deflected passes, that kind of thing. I look at the other side and, you know, it's a constant. People are like ripping the offensive line. You know, the 49ers, they were tied for fifth best in the league as far as sacks allowed. And Seattle and the 49ers gave up the same number of sacks. You know, their offense was fifth or sixth in the league. You know, their passing game ranked up there too. Not that the offensive line can't improve and they do need to left guard, but if you flip it the other way, the 49ers defense wasn't very good last year.

Speaker 10:
[15:54] When you compare the 49ers offensive line to the rest of the league, that's where you see how workable they are, how efficient they are. I mean, I know, I think every fan base just is unhappy with their offensive line.

Speaker 8:
[16:10] Either they, either every fan base thinks their offensive line is the best in the league or the worst in the league.

Speaker 10:
[16:14] Right, there's no one in the league. They're okay.

Speaker 8:
[16:16] There's finally three or four fan bases that think our offensive line is the best.

Speaker 10:
[16:20] The only one that does think that is the one that won the Super Bowl.

Speaker 8:
[16:23] Yes, and the thing is too, not all the time either.

Speaker 10:
[16:28] Right, true.

Speaker 8:
[16:29] But I would say that the ability to sign Trent Williams to what is truly a two-year contract, because a lot of that guaranteed money is in the second year. And so the 49ers know that he would have to give money back, and he would have to turn his back on guaranteed money if he were to retire after one season.

Speaker 10:
[16:55] I don't think he's doing that.

Speaker 8:
[16:56] I don't think he is. So that means the two offensive tackle positions are spoken for the next two years. I think right guard is in good hands with Pooney, who struggled last year when he had the knee injury, came on later. Brendel won't be there forever. He's gonna be the starter this year, no questions asked. But it's left guard. Left guard's the one spot, but you don't need to, other than, you know, the team, Houston that picked Keelan Rutledge, you don't need to take a starting left guard. Now, it makes more sense to take a starting left guard at number 33. And so the more they move back, the more in play that becomes.

Speaker 10:
[17:39] Right, right. But again, like I've said, having Trent Williams at left tackle helps out whoever is lining up at left guard. Because you have a Hall of Fame left tackle, a guy who's not going to make many, many mistakes. He's also going to be a leader. Whoever lines up at left guard has the help of tons of experience and a really good skill set at left guard. And then you have a lot of experience at center. So whoever is going to play at left guard, they've got a good support system there. And if, as long as they play throughout the season and have consistency, I mean, they're really going to be set up for success.

Speaker 8:
[18:18] We'll get into the names a little bit later when Rod joins us, but I think legitimately they could take an edge. I think legitimately they could take an offensive lineman. I think legitimately they could take a safety. And I think they could take a wide receiver. To me, those four positions are very much in play, whether they stay 33 or they find a trade partner and they move back too.

Speaker 10:
[18:49] Right. And you look at this draft class, and it's deep at edge, and it's deep at wide receiver. So those two positions are still have a lot of great players left going into the second round. And again, safety. There's still good players left there. Malik Mustafa is the guy, right? Jair Brown has had some ups and downs. He really was Steve Wilkes guy. Steve Wilkes got on the table for Jair Brown, and he played really well his first year under his tutelage. And then Jair Brown told me, he's like, it felt really difficult once Steve Wilkes was fired. He was under a new coaching defensive coordinator. It was hard for him, and we saw him struggle. So now where does he fit in in this safety's room?

Speaker 8:
[19:36] I mean, time has darn near run out because this is the fourth year, final year of the contract. He hasn't been able to lock down that starting job in his first three years. So there's really no indication, and the 49ers decision makers really can't go into this believing that he's going to lock it down this year. I think that Marquis Siegel is a draft pick that the 49ers liked, but he certainly plateaued very early in the season. So I just think that they believe too, they've given indications that they really like Mustafa, and they're less than satisfied with the other option. Okay, well we're going to get into what the 49ers might do, and we're going to enlist the help of our friend Rod Brooks to help us get there as this, I was going to say first day of the draft, first day of the draft for a lot of teams, but not the San Francisco 49ers. It all kicks off tomorrow, but we're going to bring in Rod, and we're going to talk about what the 49ers might do with that first pick on Friday afternoon.

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Speaker 8:
[22:09] All right, we are back on 49ers Talk, brought to you by your local Toyota dealers, Toyota Let's Go Places. Well, the 49ers didn't go very many places other than backwards on Thursday. Rod, what did you make of the first round of the NFL Draft?

Speaker 12:
[22:23] It was surprising to see, not surprising, but all of the activity at the bottom of the draft, everybody backing up. I thought it would be difficult for the Niners to do that with so many teams desirous of it, but as we've talked about, it takes two to tango, you gotta have other partners. And clearly, everybody sees this draft the same way, that the real connective tissue of the draft is in the second round. You go to 33 to 58, I think a lot of teams see safety wide receiver, edge, and interior offensive linemen, particularly safety wide receiver and edge, there's a lot of those guys in the second round. So with the Niners needing those guys, I think they're in the perfect spot. And for me, I don't think the question is not just who will they take at 33, they might trade back from 33 tomorrow. Because as you asked them in the press conference a little while ago, you guys still over for business and they unequivocally said John and Kyle. Yes.

Speaker 8:
[23:15] Yeah. And don't you feel like 33 and 58 are connected?

Speaker 12:
[23:20] Yes.

Speaker 8:
[23:24] It's kind of like, okay, take this position at 33, but you might get a lesser player at the other position at 58, right, Jen?

Speaker 10:
[23:32] Yeah, absolutely. So I mean, like, I know they're strategizing what position they need to take, but they're still great players on the board and they obviously felt like they could move back and still get the player that they would have wanted at 27. So to get more picks and still get the same player, that's a win for them.

Speaker 8:
[23:51] Rod, John Lynch did say that they had, I don't know, he didn't specify how many players, but they would have stayed at 27 if one of those players were still there. Any guesses on who they would have taken, somebody that they would have run to the podium to turn that card in if you were still there?

Speaker 12:
[24:12] I know you said Malachi Lawrence and I agree with you, but I really think Keelan Rutledge might have been the guy that they were looking at. But we've seen the Niners historically not necessarily value offensive linemen, interior offensive linemen in the first round. But I'm going to stick with Rutledge. I think that that was a guy that they were looking at. But Malachi Lawrence seems to be, if we're talking about what they may do tomorrow, if they stay at 33, as much as I would like for them to go with safety, because I've been like a dog in a bone about the Niners going at safety. Since the end of the season last year, Edge seems to be where they need to go and where they want to go.

Speaker 8:
[24:50] To hit on Keelan Rutledge, you believe that and I also, I think if we had D'Amico Ryan's in that chair with the Houston Texans, they felt like, clearly, they felt like they had to get ahead of the 49ers, because originally, they had to pick behind the 49ers. So they felt that they had to leap over the 49ers to get the guy.

Speaker 10:
[25:13] Do you think it's above the 49ers or do you think they had an inkling that they would trade back again? It was Miami that would take him.

Speaker 8:
[25:23] I don't know, I mean...

Speaker 12:
[25:24] Miami took Proctor, I know he's a tackle, they took Proctor at 12. Would they have doubled up on offensive linemen? I mean, as we talked about during the YouTube show, Miami eats a lot, so I guess that would have been a possibility.

Speaker 10:
[25:35] I mean, I don't know, is it that? Did they know that there was going to be another trade? They needed to get that guard. I just don't think the 49ers would have taken a guard in their first round.

Speaker 8:
[25:45] I don't think so either. I don't think so either, but I think the perception was that they would, and that is a scary proposition for a team that wants that player. They start to panic, and they go, gosh, we better get ahead of that. I think Caleb Lomu going to New England who traded up, they traded up two spots ahead of the 49ers to take Caleb Lomu. The 49ers had Caleb Lomu, the tackle from Utah, in the building here, and so I think in a lot of ways, those trade ups right around the 49ers were precipitated by the fear that the 49ers were going to take either one of those guys.

Speaker 10:
[26:28] And now let's talk about the fact that John Lynch said, we can still get the guy we wanted at 33 that we would have at 27, and yet we moved back. So the illusion that they gave and the technique that they used to show the Houston Texans that they wanted to take an offensive lineman, I think is pretty interesting. I mean, like that, they succeeded. I mean, I don't think they were going to take an offensive lineman at 27, but to make the Houston Texans think that they were, I mean, that's a win for this building.

Speaker 8:
[27:02] I'm looking at it. The first 22 picks of the draft, I didn't think any of those guys were really at all in play for the 49ers. But starting at 23, you have Malachi Lawrence, Casey Concepcion, Dylan Thienemann, Keelan Rutledge, all those guys in a row. Rod, in the first part of our 49ers Talk here with me and Jen, we talked about Casey Concepcion and the body language that I read was that he wasn't the guy that they were lining up to take.

Speaker 12:
[27:35] I don't think the Niners are going to go at that wide receiver position until maybe that 58th pick late in the second round or maybe that third round pick that they just got at 90. We talked about this in the YouTube show. We all seem to be in agreement that the Niners wide receiver room as it stands right now, pretty darn good. There's a lot of teams that would like to have the Niners current wide receiver room. So to me, for the Niners, if they do go with the wide receiver, either in the third round that they just got or the first pick in the fourth round, if they stay at 33 and 58, as much as I would like to see McNeil Warren, I think it's going to be Cassius Howell. Because as you guys were just talking about in the first segment here, what is the glaring need on this team? They got to get a pass rush. They got to get better at getting after opposing quarterbacks. There's ways to do it, but the number one way to do it is to have guys. They don't have a guy on the other edge, on the other side of Bosa. Is that guy Cassius Howell? Is that the guy that they feel like at 33 that they can get in? That's why they moved back to get him? It seems to me that Howell fits there. And then, do the Niners then go after a safety? I don't think McNeil Warren will be there for that 58th pick, but is Bud Clark going to be there? Halsey, out of LSU, could he possibly be there? So to me, if they stay at 33 and 50, I think they're going to address to varying degrees, pressing needs on that defense edge and safety, free safety.

Speaker 8:
[29:06] I think Emmanuel McNeil Warren, I think he's a better player than Cassius Howell. The safety over the edge rusher.

Speaker 12:
[29:20] I don't disagree, but do you then prioritize what you need to fix right now? Safety over the edge for these guys.

Speaker 8:
[29:30] You know, the thing with Cassius Howell, 30 and one quarter inch arms. Those, that's like, that's putting a T-Rex on the edge. That's a concern. And I think, you know, the 49ers like these long-limbed guys. You know, they brought in a lot of edge rushers that are, you know, Rommel Hite and some other guys who are kind of more in that, you know, second, third round. And the fact that they were able to pick up that, that third round, the pick number 90 overall. I wouldn't be, well, let's go through this. I put something out on social media, just kind of, I put three names, or five names, I think, out there who are still available with that pick at 33. And 49ers have the first pick on Friday. The draft starts at 4 p.m. Pacific. Here are the, here are the names I threw out there. Denzel Boston.

Speaker 10:
[30:33] Also a really good blocking wide receiver.

Speaker 8:
[30:35] And big guy, don't need him to be Game Busters year one, but man, how much would he benefit from being behind Mike Evans?

Speaker 10:
[30:44] Right, right. It's exactly the same prototype. Mike Evans is going to turn that wide receiver room around and to have a young guy, have that leadership and learn how to do it in the NFL sets him up for success.

Speaker 8:
[30:54] And I'm not saying he's, you know, Jawan Jennings, but you know, kind of that body type, right? Denzel Boston, a big guy.

Speaker 12:
[31:00] Is he better than Cash's help?

Speaker 8:
[31:06] Yeah, I think he, I think he has the body, man. I think he, I think there's physical.

Speaker 12:
[31:10] But we talked about like, I know the Ram situation is way different, but we talked about getting dudes that can help you right now. Yeah. Can Denzel Boston help the Niners right now?

Speaker 8:
[31:19] Probably not.

Speaker 12:
[31:20] At a position where they have a legitimate need. What about, they need an edge and they need a free save.

Speaker 8:
[31:24] What about R. Mason Thomas? Defensive end from Oklahoma.

Speaker 12:
[31:31] Yeah, I mean, he's, he's been rumored to the Niners a lot. I could, I could roll with that. What do you know about Kieron Crawford out of Auburn?

Speaker 8:
[31:40] I think that he might be like 58. Could that, could he still be there?

Speaker 12:
[31:44] So, all right. So now I think we're kind of getting, so then do you go with McNeil Warren and then get your edge guy? Because if, if, if, how's that blowing you away? Because he's got short arms. And if you're looking at Crawford as a late second round guy, do you go and get the safety you need that, that presumably could be plug and play outside those double doors to our right?

Speaker 8:
[32:03] But here's the thing. If you get the safety at 33, now that your next pick, or can you wait till 90 to get your starting left guard? That's why I don't, I wouldn't rule out Chase Basantis.

Speaker 12:
[32:17] Yeah.

Speaker 8:
[32:18] The guard.

Speaker 12:
[32:18] I got his name here, highlight it. Yeah.

Speaker 8:
[32:20] Okay. So those are the names.

Speaker 12:
[32:21] Can I throw, if we're talking guards. Emmanuel Pregnon, Oregon. And I just love saying the name. He's got a fantastic mullet. Jennings Dunker out of Iowa. You know, those guys 58 or 98. I think the third round pick, like everybody's talking about rightfully. So going back to 33, that first pick in the second round, having a pick. That third round pick, I think, can be key, too. You know, and backing that up with the fourth pick at 127. I just think, man, those four picks, particularly 58, 90, and 127 are going to be cold.

Speaker 8:
[32:53] Let's see. I'll go, each of you lighten this up. Let's just go, there are two picks in the second round. They're picking the third, and they're the top pick in the fourth. Again, all things being equal, but knowing who's there, I would be tempted to go safety, oh boy, okay, safety guard, no, safety edge guard receiver, in that order.

Speaker 10:
[33:23] I still think they go edge first, and I do. I think they, do you think because of who's left, they don't?

Speaker 12:
[33:31] I mean, I've been flopping like a fish out of water for the past 30 minutes, because I mean, I'm big on McNeil Warren. Then I mentioned Howell, and like, yeah, the short arms, but he's a really good player, and that played at a high level in a really good conference. And I just, 20 sacks, 20 sacks. It's hard to not look at 20 sacks and go.

Speaker 10:
[33:56] And not have PTSD from last year.

Speaker 12:
[33:58] Just like, yeah, we'll take care of that later on.

Speaker 8:
[34:02] It is, I mean, it is the glaring need on the team, I almost think if you're taking a guy at 33, it's got to be traits. And it's a very specific role. You don't need that guy to be an every down guy. You just need to turn him loose on third downs. And you know, this is an extreme example, but you know how many games Alden Smith started as a rookie? Zero. He had 14 sacks as a rookie. He was out there on the money downs. That's what the 49ers need. They have enough guys who can set the edge. They have enough guys who can do this, do that. They need a guy who's going to race Hiccosa to crush the quarterback on the plays of the game that matter most.

Speaker 10:
[34:45] Yeah, they do. That's exactly what they need.

Speaker 8:
[34:48] And I think that that's the traits. It's the getoff. It's the length. It's the speed. It's the bend and all that stuff. It's...

Speaker 12:
[34:54] And Howell has all that stuff, but he just doesn't have the arms. See, now I'm back on Howell.

Speaker 8:
[35:02] You were high on McNeil Warren as that pick was approaching.

Speaker 12:
[35:06] I just, I think if we're taking the guesswork out of it, if we're just not nitpicking... I mean, Warren's the dude. Warren's the guy that they need, that other teams have that archetype.

Speaker 8:
[35:15] He's BPA.

Speaker 10:
[35:16] He's best player in build, wasn't he?

Speaker 8:
[35:18] And I think you just answered your question.

Speaker 12:
[35:19] Yeah, yeah. But you know, in 30 seconds, it could change, brother. No, but I'm trying to balance what the obvious need for the Niners is off the rip, which is somebody to meet Bosa at the quarterback. And the guy who is the best player available and would 100 percent fit no questions asked in Warren.

Speaker 8:
[35:37] The other guy I mentioned, let's see, I mentioned R. Mason Thomas, also TJ Parker, who many had mocked as a first-rounder. But he's more, I think, more kind of in that Michael Williams, you know, set the edge and then move inside and rush the passer. I don't see him as a dynamic guy who's going to go out there and really affect the nickel pass rush.

Speaker 10:
[36:01] I just think the first pick that they use needs to be a player that plays this year.

Speaker 8:
[36:08] That's McNeil Warren.

Speaker 10:
[36:11] It's got to be someone who makes an impact this year.

Speaker 8:
[36:15] Or, I mean, and I think you can get the guard later.

Speaker 10:
[36:19] Yeah, I think you can.

Speaker 12:
[36:19] I think you get the wide receiver later.

Speaker 10:
[36:21] And honestly, you know what? They trust Chris Verster's coaching. I mean, they've taken guys later in the round. You look at their historic pattern of where they draft offensive linemen. It's Mike McGlinchey and Aaron Banks. And then the rest of them have been later. They use him because he knows the system so well. He's been with Kyle Shanahan for so long. Kyle Shanahan, it's all about timing. It's the numbers getting the advantage over the defense. It's timing. So if he can coach them to get timing, they don't have to be the most, you know, amazingly graded offensive lineman. They can work it so that it works out for their system. And so I don't think they take an offensive lineman up there.

Speaker 12:
[37:03] And I think they could bring that player alone, not slowly, but there doesn't have to be a rush job to where that guy has to come in and bam, he's got to be off of Trent Williams' right shoulder and he's got to be ready to roll. So I agree with you there. It's going to be defenses.

Speaker 8:
[37:18] You're saying a guard doesn't have to be ready? I think if they take a guard, they have to get a starting guard.

Speaker 12:
[37:26] I don't think it's a red alert. I think it's somebody that maybe they will be able to bring along. That's why I don't think you're going to be taking a guard in the second round.

Speaker 8:
[37:35] Well, I disagree in this standpoint. I think they need to get a starting guard out of this draft because they don't have a starting guard right now.

Speaker 12:
[37:42] But do you think you can get one in 90 though? You think you can get one in 30 rounds?

Speaker 8:
[37:44] Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 12:
[37:47] That's where Pregnan and Dunker.

Speaker 8:
[37:50] There are some other guys too. Some other guys, yeah.

Speaker 10:
[37:53] There's just such a huge drop-off from the first 15 guys. They said they had less first-round grades this year than they did last year. Last year it was 20, so you think 15 to 18. Then there's this big swath of players from 20 until the end of the second round. This is what they're saying. They had those players, the players that they wanted, the ones that they wanted were gone. They're still players that they want in that beginning of the second round pick that they've got.

Speaker 8:
[38:23] Yeah. First-round pick checks all the boxes. It's the traits, it's the film, it's the medical, it's all those things.

Speaker 12:
[38:32] But do you think Trader John is done though? Can he get busy one more time?

Speaker 8:
[38:36] It certainly sounds like they're willing to do so.

Speaker 12:
[38:41] Just wait, he's not going to put his phone on Do Not Disturb Tonight.

Speaker 8:
[38:44] I wouldn't think so. I mean, he's advertised it out there. Hey, if you want 33, come and get it. The question is, we've seen it. Teams, I'm just looking at the deals that were made today.

Speaker 10:
[39:01] There's a lot of trading. He predicted this too. John Lynch in his pre-draft press conference said, I sense that there's going to be a lot of movement in the first round, and he was absolutely right. He said they were talking to other teams, and I think they're all pretty open about the fact about where they could move and where they would like to be, and he was absolutely truthful about that, and that is exactly what happened.

Speaker 8:
[39:23] Yeah, it's funny because usually when a team trades up, it's usually to get a quarterback.

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Speaker 8:
[40:42] In this draft, Kansas City traded up to get a cornerback, Mansour DeLane. Dallas traded up to get the safety, Caleb Downs. Philadelphia traded up to get your guy, Mackay Lemon. Houston traded up to get the guard, Keelan Rutledge. New England traded up to get the tackle, Caleb Lomu. And the Jets traded up to get Omar Cooper. So it's kind of funny how that's, that all, how that all kind of panned out.

Speaker 10:
[41:12] Right.

Speaker 8:
[41:13] And I go in Tennessee, traded up to get Keldrick Falk, the defensive end. So, I don't know, for such a day where nothing happened for the 49ers, I think so much happened. I was, I was entertained. And I think eight minutes between picks helped me out a lot.

Speaker 10:
[41:30] That was great. Yeah.

Speaker 12:
[41:31] I think what we saw today is another reason why you want your coach and your general manager to be on the same page. You want organizational stability. You want guys thinking the same way and everybody acting in the same manner. And I don't think you would have gotten what the Niners got today in terms of being shrewd and dropping back and all the things. If you didn't have a coach and GM who were, who were together in the way that they look at football and the way that they are looking at players in the philosophy.

Speaker 8:
[42:02] Interlocking hands.

Speaker 12:
[42:03] Absolutely.

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[42:05] No scandals.

Speaker 12:
[42:06] Settle down.

Speaker 8:
[42:08] All right. Hey, Rod, it's been great. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 12:
[42:11] It's so good to see you guys today.

Speaker 10:
[42:13] Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 12:
[42:13] It's football season now.

Speaker 8:
[42:15] It is. And this is, this is your debut on 49ers Talk.

Speaker 12:
[42:19] I'm so happy to be here. I hope it's not the last time.

Speaker 8:
[42:21] Oh my gosh. Well, we'll have, we'll discuss. The brain trust needs to get together. Our people get in touch with your people. All right.

Speaker 12:
[42:27] So good to be with you guys.

Speaker 8:
[42:28] All right. Well, thanks so much for tuning in to 49ers Talk. Jen, Matt, that's Rod over there. It's been a pleasure having him here. And we'll be doing 49ers Talk Podcast through the weekend. And maybe even Friday evening, we'll have some 49ers draft picks to talk about.

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[42:45] Maybe.

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