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Speaker 1:
[00:20] Well, welcome in. Spotify Studios here in Hollywood, California, and we are fired up that you are joining us tonight on Netflix. A lot of places to watch the draft. No better than here. Netflix with The McShay Show all night long. We've got an hour leading up to the draft. We're gonna have a flashmock that we're gonna rip through all the latest intel I'm getting. I just got a text literally three minutes ago that kind of makes me think. So we're gonna do that for an hour, get you ready, and then once the draft comes up, Roger Goodell comes out, he announces the draft is live. We will be with you for all 32 picks. We appreciate Netflix giving us this opportunity. Muench, you good?

Speaker 2:
[01:00] I'm great, man.

Speaker 1:
[01:01] That's great to hear because there's no time to be good that's better than this one right now. So we're excited to be here. As we said, we've got the entire first round of the draft. We hope you stick with us. There's an opportunity to chat with us all night long, but first we want to thank our sponsors who have allowed us to be on the air tonight. So we're going to throw right now to some of those sponsors and we'll be right back with you for the remaining hour leading up to the 2026 NFL Draft. You're listening to The McShay Show presented by FanDuel and soon we'll all be listening to all the names called in this year's NFL Draft. But with FanDuel, you don't have to just listen because FanDuel has all kinds of bets on where players will land. You know I love this stuff. Not only can you bet on who will be drafted first overall, but you can also bet on whether a player will go in the top five, top ten and so much more. So if you don't already have it, be sure to download the FanDuel Sportsbook app today. Must be 21 and older in select states, 18 plus in DC, Kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem, call 1-800-GAMBLER, call 1-887-897777 or visit ccpg.org/chat in Connecticut. This episode is brought to you by ZipRecruiter. Out of everyone in the draft, I'm keeping a close eye on a couple of quarterbacks that nobody's talking about. Cole Payton from North Dakota State, Taylin Green from Arkansas. Day 2 quarterback prospects, they could change your entire organization. They've got developmental upside. They're not where they need to be right now, but if they hit, they could be stars in this league. The whole deal with scouting is finding difference makers, right? Having even one standout player that can make a world of difference on or off the field. It's the finding part that's hard. If you're hiring, you know the struggle. It can take months and thousands of resumes before you find what you're looking for. Unless you use ZipRecruiter. Try it for free at ziprecruiter.com/mcshay. That's ziprecruiter.com/mcshay. Along with its smart matching technology, ZipRecruiter just added a new feature to make the hiring process even smoother. It puts qualified candidates who've also shown an interest in your role at the top of your list, so you can talk to them first. Plus, you can see why those candidates are interested in their own words. Cut through the standard and get to the standouts with ZipRecruiter. Four out of five employers who post on ZipRecruiter get a quality candidate within the first day. And now you can try it for free at ziprecruiter.com/mcshay. That's ziprecruiter.com/mcshay. Meet your match on ZipRecruiter.

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Speaker 1:
[04:33] We had a wild night ahead of us. Here we go. Got a text from a GM recently that said, this is the least consensus draft that we've ever been a part of, in terms of just talking to NFL teams and what they view as a player that belongs in this range. There's the other teams you talk to have them maybe 10 picks later. Most interestingly though, this is breaking news if you follow this kind of thing, and as you could just see there, FanDuel has been an unbelievable partner throughout all of this for us. New to this in the recent years is the ability to wager on the NFL Draft. I talked to GMs about it, and listen, it doesn't sway anything anyone's doing. No one's trying to make money in the NFL on FanDuel or gambling. However, people will check in to see what's going on, you know, because typically there's a reason why odds are the way they are, and they'll shift with the money, and it always does. The reason I bring this all up in the top of the show, why is Todd talking about this? Because all week long and for a while, it was R. Vel Rees was the heavy favorite number two, right? Then we all started to get the information that David Bailey seems like it's the pick. And how do you get that information? I promise you this, it's not from Darryl Mugee, the GM of the Jets. If we've learned anything from Mugee in the past 14 months, it's that he, like, good luck getting that information out in New York. Well, it wasn't that big a deal last year when they were picking at, is it seven or nine overall, Darryl Mugee, I'm sorry, see, I'm already mistaking his first name. That's how little information I'm getting from Darryl. But Darryl Mugee has done a great job, and this is what you want. If you're a Jets fan, you're thrilled. It is an absolute vault. I've got contacts there, you've got contacts there, nobody's getting any information, right? And so for a while, it was all R. That was the information coming out of there, right? But come to find out, like, the information coming out of there, or the information that other teams were getting from what they thought was from the New York Jets, was not accurate, because no one's giving out the real information. The people who are making this decision have been, pshh. So, then there was 48 hours this week after Bailey became the information. About 10 days ago, I shifted. Mach 4.0 was all David Bailey. Right? And it made sense. It made football sense from, hey, this is the guy who's the best pass rusher. This is the guy who had 15 sacks a year ago. This is the guy you know what you're getting. Arvel Reese from Ohio State, remember, one-year starter, conversion player, off-ball linebacker, who Matt Patricia started to rush off the edge more and more as the season went on, right? And so there's a developmental factor to it. Now, some people are saying, and I don't disagree with this concept, Reese, for a team like the Jets, who are backloaded all their picks to 2027 to get a quarterback in what could be the richest quarterback draft in the history of the NFL Draft. They're saying, well, you get a year to develop him. You see, they're a 94 grade. That's phenomenal, number two overall player on the board for us. Bailey's not far behind. He's at number six. So factor in all this information. Then I get some information over the weekend and all the calls I'm making. There was one source. I don't know if I'm ever going to trust again or depending on what the pick is at number two, I may trust for the rest of my life. You following me here? Here we go. Arvel Reese. I won't tell you the background because I'd be giving away my source. But he was saying, I really believe it's Arvel Reese, okay? Then it comes to Tuesday and I'm talking to people and people in the league and bouncing around and then all the other ins- from Schefter to Schrager to Breer to even to DJ, our good friend Daniel Jeremiah. Everyone we're all hearing the same thing. It's David Bailey. Well, I got news for you.

Speaker 2:
[08:40] It's not David Bailey.

Speaker 1:
[08:41] I don't know if it's David Bailey. I don't know if it's Arvel Reese. But what the news is all of a sudden, FanDuel, just recently- I want to remind people, the betting favorite when you woke up today on FanDuel was David Bailey, slightly. Then it shifted to Arvel Reese. It was like minus 145. And now I'm looking at FanDuel and it's Arvel Reese minus 290. Now, why would I open the show with that? That's not enough info. That could be someone betting a few hundred thousand dollars. And I was told there was one person that bet a hundred thousand dollars on Arvel Reese. So that helps shift the market. But the reason I'm bringing this up is something has been lurking and we've been talking off air about it. And we mentioned it the other day. Why is it you're so tight lipped with the second overall pick, Muench? Why?

Speaker 2:
[09:32] Because you might be shopping it. You don't want to give away who you're taking in case someone wants to come up and try to get that pick.

Speaker 1:
[09:37] And why is it that someone's close to you is actively reaching out to Todd McShay and saying, I think it might be Arville Reese over the weekend?

Speaker 2:
[09:45] Yeah, to drive with the Arville Reese value. And if you want to be going to come get them.

Speaker 1:
[09:50] And I'm not saying the number two overall pick is going to be traded. But I am saying, now all of a sudden, there's a little buzz about Codalus package 12 and 20 and maybe for a 2 and 16 or some kind of trade like that, which wouldn't make sense.

Speaker 2:
[10:07] They'd have to give up more.

Speaker 1:
[10:08] Yeah, 12 and 20 or maybe it's for something in 2027 since the Dallas Cowboys are trying to A, win now, and B, have their quarterback. That 2027 draft, while loaded at a lot of other positions, starting with Jeremiah Smith and the Notre Dame quarterback and some of those offensive tackles and some edge rushers like Colin Simmons from Texas, they're more like, we got to win now. And we've put a lot of money into this defense. And we, but we're missing an elite edge rusher. We're missing an impact defensive back. And so if we can maybe give something in 2027, I don't know. I'm not saying that's going to happen. I'm just saying all of this is happening and we're less than, we're 50 minutes from the start of the NFL Draft. This is not normal behavior for a team that's picking it two. And the number one overall pick is decided. It's absolutely Fernando Mendoza.

Speaker 2:
[11:02] Why not just come out and say who we're taking?

Speaker 1:
[11:04] Or just normally...

Speaker 2:
[11:05] The canceled visit with Bailey, there's a lot of things that are unusual.

Speaker 1:
[11:08] Explain that to the viewers too.

Speaker 2:
[11:10] Because a lot of people were supposed to come in for a team visit, one of the 30 visits, and they canceled it. It seemed late in the, you know, process. And you made a good point. I was like, oh, maybe don't make that big of a deal of it. But you made the point, wouldn't you want them to come in and spend some time at the facility, get to know the staff, get to know the guys that you could just bring them in for more time to get to know them? Even if you wanted to use a visit on another player, you'd still want the guy you're taking second overall to come see the facility.

Speaker 1:
[11:37] Yeah, and just because I think we're going to have a lot of different viewers tonight, a lot of new viewers, and we're thrilled to have all of you. Just to give a little background, as you look at the team needs and the Jets team profile, there are some of the key roster moves, guys that are in, guys that are out from last year's team. 2026 picks, as you can see, the Jets pick at two, and 1633 and 44 overall. 24 picks in the top 44, that's the most of any team in the NFL. NFL teams get 30 visits, right? You commonly hear it mistakenly called the top 30 visits. It's not top 30, it's not their top 30 players. It's 30 players they're intrigued to bring in. Some of them are late round free agent type prospects. Some of them are guys with character issues. Some of those guys are medical issues. Some of the guys they just want to get to know a little bit better, put them on the board. They're prospects, typically, A. Some teams use it differently. Some teams don't bring in any first rounders. Some teams bring in all the guys that could possibly draft. So it's a 30 visit, and in those 30 visits, the Jets, it appears, bringing in a lot of players, they could be drafting both at the number 2 pick or at the number 16 pick, and then also 33 and 48, or 44 as I just said. But they canceled David Bailey's visit just a week before the draft. And then the reports were, well, they did it to open up a spot to bring in somebody else that they hadn't had the time with, and they went out to dinner at Lubbock, Texas with David Bailey, and the brass was down there, and they had great interviews with him. But Arvel Reese made his 30 visit. That's interesting.

Speaker 2:
[13:17] Yeah, something.

Speaker 1:
[13:19] So I wanna start this show with this concept. The NFL Draft is the greatest reality show in the world. And tonight is Truth Serum Night. Tonight's the episode of Truth Serum. It all comes out. There's gossip, there's rumor. We spend 12 months evaluating players, sitting in a dark room with our remote, not always as dark as it used to be, with our remote and our iPads and our screens, and then we get the combine numbers and the pro day numbers. We have the Senior Bowl, the East West Shrine game. We're talking to all these different people about the medicals and the character, and all this work goes into it for like 250 days. And then for the final like 16 days, we become like NFL Draft TMZ, talking to sources, figuring out what's going to get. And so the beauty of tonight is that's all done and we can go back to the players. And I want to do that right now. And I want to do it in the form of a flashmock.

Speaker 2:
[14:18] Flashmock, let's go.

Speaker 1:
[14:20] And so as we go through this flashmock, and this is kind of based off of the Intel, honestly, our producers know we're going to do this, but I want to do it on the fly with Steve. And I want to use our football sense. All of the time we've put into these players, knowing these schemes, knowing who's drafting, what do we think maybe the top eight, 10 picks will look like?

Speaker 2:
[14:40] Right.

Speaker 1:
[14:41] And I legitimately, after Fernando Mendoza sitting right here right now, after Mendoza, I don't know the answer to. So for me, Arvel Reese is the better prospect. You just saw that, number two on our board. But David Bailey, if they're looking for bird in hand, what we know, pass rusher for Aaron Glenn, the head coach, also the defensive coordinator, it comes down to, and everyone I talk to in the league, same thing from GM after GM. If you've got a plan, if you're sitting in a room and you're talking to your defensive coordinator, who again, happens to be the head coach here in AG, for the Jets, if you've got a clear vision and there's history of you being able to utilize this kind of guy, this isn't the guy that they had in Detroit, Arvel Reese.

Speaker 2:
[15:30] No.

Speaker 1:
[15:31] They had Aiden Hutchinson, they had real problems getting edge rushers outside of Hutchinson. So my question is, what fits best for the Jets from a football standpoint in your opinion?

Speaker 2:
[15:45] Well, we take in the long view or the short view. If we're taking the short view, it's David Bailey. But they're taking the long view, and that's where Arvel Reese comes into play in my mind because now you have a player you can wait to develop. And if you're looking towards 2027, you can handle Reese's growing pains, if you will. David Bailey is the guy who's ready to go now.

Speaker 1:
[16:07] But what if the general manager, who I can tell you this, you talk about fan duel odds, the odds of one lasting longer than the other would be about the same odds as Fernando Mendoza, the number one overall pick, which is like 20,000 to one. And I say this with all due respect, and I am not by any stretch saying that Aaron Glenn could be out this year, but if you're a gambling man, and you just, historically but also my understanding of the relationship with Darren Muji and ownership, there's a really good chance that Muji outlasts Aaron Glenn in New York. And so I'm not saying they're making this decision like in spite of or in contrast to, right, one another, the GM and the head coach. I don't believe that's the case at all. I'm just saying what's best for the organization might not be best for Aaron Glenn. Aaron Glenn needs to win enough games in 2026 in order to be the coach in 2027 when Arch Manning's his quarterback or Dante Moore's his quarterback or Brandon Sorsby from Cincinnati's his quarterback. Right?

Speaker 2:
[17:16] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[17:16] They have three picks in 2027 in the first round.

Speaker 2:
[17:21] Sorsby's Texas Tech now.

Speaker 1:
[17:22] We got to jump in around. Sorry. Yes. The tape I was watching on Cincinnati was Sorsby. Yes, it's Texas Tech. And Sam Leavitt is no longer at Arizona State. He's at LSU with Lane Kiffin. And my guess is he's going to be one of the top five or six quarterbacks in next year's class after a year with Lane. My point is, though, Aaron Glenn probably is pushing for David Bailey.

Speaker 2:
[17:43] I would think so.

Speaker 1:
[17:44] And now it comes down to Muji saying what's best for this organization. I'd be fascinated to know how we know it's tight, this inner circle with the Jets. How tight is it? Is it a one man tight? Is it a two? Is it a three? And who are those two and three?

Speaker 2:
[18:04] Well, let me ask you this. If we're saying those are the two options, right? It's Reese or Bailey. There's a third option.

Speaker 1:
[18:11] Trade.

Speaker 2:
[18:12] Trade. And Aaron Glenn might be sitting there saying, man, I need players. Give me players. And Muzi might say, I need picks. So there's another, there's that whole aspect to it as well that unless Muzi, is Muzi in love with one or both of these guys? Because then it's easy if he is. But if he's not absolutely in love with them, David Bailey, little leaner, doesn't handle the run that well, doesn't play the run that well right now. You said maybe he's a designated pass rusher and he gets into the league, I don't know. That there's an issue there. Arville Reese, trying to make the conversion, he weighs 240 pounds now, it's gonna take a minute. If you're not in love with that player at the second overall pick, I'm sure he's picking up the phone.

Speaker 1:
[18:55] So if we're in the middle of a flashmock, we've taken about our eight minutes that you're allowed to make a pick. We have 40 minutes to the NFL Draft, so we can't keep this pace up for the remaining picks.

Speaker 2:
[19:07] We're not gonna do a trade.

Speaker 1:
[19:09] I'm not gonna do a trade. I'm sticking with Bailey.

Speaker 2:
[19:17] I like it. I like it. I think it makes more sense.

Speaker 1:
[19:20] I'm sticking with Bailey, although something's going on.

Speaker 2:
[19:23] Right. So are we doing what we would do here, or are we doing what we think is going to happen?

Speaker 1:
[19:27] No, I want to use our football sense to trump some of the nonsense that's coming out in last-minute information, right?

Speaker 2:
[19:35] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[19:35] And I've got some other things that I feel good about. But I think, honestly, I took a lot of heat for flip-flopping, right? We had Bailey for a while, and then, yeah, I mean, the scumbags who draft off me are the same ones who then go and say, well, he's flip-flopping. What was it? Oh, it must be the fan duel tweets. Like, get out of town. I flip-flopped and just explained the why for 48 hours, but maybe the why was the right, maybe the reason why I traded or flip-flopped, if you will, was because the right information is R. Val Reese, and then what do all you scumbags have to say after that? So we're going to find out together. There's one big happy family on Netflix tonight, but I'm excited to see. But honestly, this is the beauty. We can finally sit back and we can watch how it plays out.

Speaker 2:
[20:25] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[20:25] And one general manager is saying, this is the least consensus draft. It's going to be a wild ride tonight. It's not what people think.

Speaker 2:
[20:31] There are going to be some surprises, right?

Speaker 1:
[20:32] Major surprises. So let's stay with Bailey here.

Speaker 2:
[20:37] So Three Arizona.

Speaker 1:
[20:39] Three Arizona. My information is that it's Jeremiah Love. But there's coaching staff and ownership Love, the running back out of Notre Dame. And personnel department may be Edg Rusher here. So that would be Arvel Reese.

Speaker 2:
[21:00] Right.

Speaker 1:
[21:01] My understanding is, interestingly enough, while David Bailey could be the picket number two, it seems like the market is greater for Arvel Reese.

Speaker 2:
[21:13] Right.

Speaker 1:
[21:14] There's more.

Speaker 2:
[21:15] So Arizona's hoping the Jets take Bailey because they'll have more calls of Reese's there.

Speaker 1:
[21:19] But I don't know that that's a fact. That's the theory. I've gotten some of that information. So Arvel Reese is sitting there at three. I think this is not a likely. I think it's much more likely there's a trade at three than there is at two.

Speaker 2:
[21:37] Okay. Makes sense.

Speaker 1:
[21:40] I gave in Mach 4.0, I had the New Orleans Saints trading up. And I gave this reason. Sitting on our set at the Senior Bowl was Mickey Loomis, the general manager for the Saints. And history tells you, we didn't need him to talk us through it. History tells you, this is a man who targets a player he likes and goes and gets them. And I asked him the question, because as the league is trending towards get more picks, we're all human, we make some mistakes. The more swings at it in a given draft, the better opportunity to hit on players. He's like, get out of here. We like a guy, we like a guy, we're going to get him. And Jeff Ireland, the general manager who kind of runs the personnel department, doesn't he runs the personnel department under the leadership of Mickey Loomis, is sitting there in the corner. I could see him out of the corner of my eye, like mm-hm, yep, that's what we do. And so, the Saints are interesting at eight. I don't think the Chiefs are going to move all the way up from three. Dallas hasn't traded since 2014, 37 picks the Dallas Cowboys have had since 2014 in the first, second and third round. And the last time they traded, and it was in the first round for DeMarcus Lawrence, it worked out pretty good.

Speaker 2:
[22:53] Tonight, the night.

Speaker 1:
[22:53] It was 2014. So that would break from what has become their norm.

Speaker 2:
[23:00] The trend, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[23:00] Despite all of the hype that Jerry's going to make a big splash in this draft, they don't do it historically. So that part's fascinating to watch.

Speaker 2:
[23:09] Tonight, the night, are they going to do it?

Speaker 1:
[23:11] I could see, I could see anything. I could see anything. My gut tells me it's much more likely as the defensive run starts to happen, I mean, it happens from the top, right? It could be Bailey at two, it could be Reese at three, it could be Reuben Bain somewhere before Pick 12 where Dallas comes off the board.

Speaker 2:
[23:30] Caleb Downs.

Speaker 1:
[23:31] Caleb Downs.

Speaker 2:
[23:32] Sonny Styles.

Speaker 1:
[23:33] Mansour Delane. They're not going to want, there's a line after Sonny, yeah, Sonny Styles, David Bailey, Arvel Reese, right? Caleb Downs, Mansour Delane, and Reuben Bain. There's six guys in the top, they could all go in the top 10. I don't think they want to be the one without the chair at the end of the song. Yeah. So I could see them move up with the chiefs at nine, go get Delane or Caleb Downs, right? I don't know that it's not what they historically do, but you can't totally rule it out with Picks at 12 and 20. They also, it's important to note, Dallas doesn't have a pick in the second round. So do they really want to go all in? I don't know. We're about to find out. That's the exciting part. So if they stick and pick, my information is a heavy lean towards Jeremiah Love at three. I'm going to go Reese here.

Speaker 2:
[24:38] This is so you. Because you do think, you're kind of playing a game here, you think there's going to be a trade.

Speaker 1:
[24:43] Right. And I do wonder to a certain extent, just like the Jets have floated both Reese and Bailey, has there been information out of Arizona about the Jeremiah Love? Because remember, I was first to market, not to get Tommy John, but I remember you yelling at me about Jeremiah Love a couple months back when I put him at three in one of the first mock drafts.

Speaker 2:
[25:04] Why did I yell at you?

Speaker 1:
[25:07] Because for good, sound football reason.

Speaker 2:
[25:09] And it's not you, it goes against everything, it goes against the grain for Todd McShay, your entire career, you would never have done this with a player. And you've loved running backs, maybe not as much as this guy, but you've loved running backs, and even the ones you loved, you didn't put at the top of your board.

Speaker 1:
[25:26] Right, and so Jeremiah Love's sitting at the top of my board this year, even though the grade's not quite as high as Saquon Barkley, it's not quite as high as B. John Robinson. It's equivalent, it's just north of Ashton Gentry a year ago, and Jameer Gibbs just a few years back. But this year's draft doesn't have the quarterbacks that we normally have and doesn't have the left tackle and maybe the edge rusher or two that's graded a little bit higher. So there's that. But I'm looking at this situation more and I think that that was the other pushback from you and I didn't disagree. And this was even before they brought in Tyler Algier. So when I went to Mach 4.0, I think, and I brought him back and I put Jeremiah Love at three. It's like, yeah, well, they signed Tyler Algier and James Conner's coming back. So there's a lot to factor in here, but at the end of the day, is that offensive line equipped for Jeremiah Love?

Speaker 2:
[26:28] They need a right tackle, man. I mean, that's why a lot of teams have had a lot of experts mock them getting Francis Maui Noa out of Miami to play right tackle there. I mean, they need a right tackle. So no, I mean, the answer would be no for me. Another thing that scares me about the Jeremiah Love thing, and listen, I love the player, but I keep hearing this and I've heard this with other receivers about how he's a weapon, he's not a running back. He's a running back. I mean, he's not going to play slot receiver. You can line him up in the slot. He lined up in the slot.

Speaker 1:
[26:55] Christian McCaffrey is about the only one.

Speaker 2:
[26:58] He's a weapon too, but he's still a running back. Like, they're still running backs.

Speaker 1:
[27:03] Yeah, the way they utilize him, though, I'm much... I would give the lean towards... Yeah, he's actually a weapon.

Speaker 2:
[27:10] I don't know, man. I don't know. You're talking about a running back. Love the player. Still a running back.

Speaker 1:
[27:16] I do think this is either a trade... Listen, it could very easily be Jeremiah Love. But I don't think Jeremiah... In my final mock, mock 5.0, I had Jeremiah Love falling to the Giants at 5.

Speaker 2:
[27:30] Falling. That's incredible. Falling to 5.

Speaker 1:
[27:33] In this case... We know that Jeremiah Love is going... His range is 3 to 5. Okay? If it's not 3, it could very well be Tennessee. And that's in fact who I think we should mock him to. I think the information was out. And then defense. And it could be Sonny Styles. And it still could be. It's gonna be a fun night, man. This is gonna be a fun night.

Speaker 2:
[27:53] Yeah, it is. I can't wait for the first bomb to drop. The first no way.

Speaker 1:
[27:58] So let's take 30 minutes out from the start of the NFL Draft, right? Let's take a look at Tennessee for a second, right? Tennessee, they're sitting in a situation where they got their quarterback a year ago. They got a new head coach in Robert Sala. They've got some needs still a lot to fill. But with general manager Mike Barganzi there, a new head coach in Robert Sala, new offensive coordinator in Brian Dable, former head coach in the New York Giants, have a lot of respect for the way he develops quarterbacks. I know he wanted Cam Ward above all things. It was interesting laughing with both Brian and Mike Barganzi about some of the old stories at a pro day with Brian trying to push Mike to, hey, Abdul Carter is a great player, man. You're not going to want to miss on him. What would it take for us to move up? Just like anything, there's a pecking order. Brian really, really, really liked Jackson Dart, but he wanted Cam Ward, and now he gets to coach him. But the problem is when you look at their depth chart and you look at the key roster moves, like a lot of the stuff that they did, yes, Wondale Robinson is there, but I'm talking about Jermaine Johnson, Edge, John Franklin Myers, defensive tackle, Allante Taylor, cornerback, Cordell Flott, cornerback. A lot of the moves that Tennessee made in this off season were on defense. And we've got two heads of state here. There's only one. There's a head coach in Robert Sala, but Brian Dable, who both got fired from the New York market for their lack of offensive production at the end of the day. So it begs the question, like, are we going to do this again? Or are we going to take care of our young quarterback and try to develop them the right way? And to me, the right way is easy passes. Dump it off and pick up four or five, supplement the run, have a great running back. You know, have, Tony Pollard is there as well.

Speaker 2:
[29:54] Yeah, good back.

Speaker 1:
[29:56] And Jeremiah Love averaged 10.4 yards per catch. Do you know what that does for a young quarterback? To be able to throw a swing or a screen and to get a first down and get you in a better field position, keep you on schedule, you know? So I'm leaning Jeremiah Love here at number four.

Speaker 2:
[30:14] Yeah, they got to show a greater commitment. You want to talk about helping your young quarterback run the damn ball. Third fewest carries in the NFL last year. You got to run the damn ball. Tony Pollard's good. You know what he's great? Where he's great? As the number two back. I mean, if you have that one-two punch, even though I'm saying it's early for a running back, I get it. I get the philosophy of doing it. I understand how talented this player is. So I want to be clear about those two things. That being said, if you put Pollard in that number two role and you have Jeremiah Love in your number one role, I mean, it's not even just about the passing game stuff that Love brings you. He's a great receiver, also a much improved pass blocker last year. But you just got to run the ball, Muench. You have to have two backs that can carry a heavy workload and that's how you help Cam Ward. That's how you create play action rollouts. That's how you create pockets in the coverage on play action. That'll help your young quarterback. You got to run the damn ball.

Speaker 1:
[31:08] So let's start ripping through these. Yeah, I do want to mention, it's important to mention for Titans fans, I do get the strong sense if Arvel Reese or David Bailey is there at four, that is very likely the pick. Jeremiah Love and then the other guy, if Reese and Bailey go two and three, my understanding is it would come down to most likely Jeremiah Love and Sonny Styles, who we've talked about. Fred Warner, Robert Sal was looking for that piece. And talking to a lot of people in the league, it's interesting. Most people, when they talk defense, it's like we need the corners, because of our scheme. We press man, cover three, whatever it is. And we need the edge rushers. For him, it's like, get me that Mike. Get me the middle linebacker. Give me Fred Warner for my defensive scheme, and we can kind of build through that.

Speaker 2:
[31:58] The thing I'll say about that was Fred Warner was a third round pick.

Speaker 1:
[32:00] I understand, but I think they recognize if they can find a player that's anywhere close to that level, what he specifically did for their defense was pretty alarming.

Speaker 2:
[32:10] No question.

Speaker 1:
[32:11] In a positive way. So now we're at five. Here's my information. It's Jeremiah Love if he's there. And then I'm told it's Caleb Downs, the safety out of Ohio State, however, trying desperately to figure out how do we get Caleb Downs? Because we pick now at five and ten. The Giants own 20% of the top ten picks in the NFL Draft tonight after the trade for Dexter, trading away Dexter Lawrence to Cincinnati, one to one trade. You get Dexter, we get your tenth pick. No conditional seventh, just eat nice and easy. So as you see the trade details there, that was an easy graphic to build. I'm sure Dan and Tucker were thrilled. Easy. So with that in mind, I think there's a mindset of how can we get both these guys, Jordan Tyson, the wide receiver from Arizona State, who if you've been falling along, both John Harbaugh, the head coach, and Joe Shane, the general manager, went out to Arizona State for the pro day. Jordan Tyson didn't work out at the pro day. He's had a hamstring injury. Jordan Tyson from Arizona State has missed one out of every three games essentially during his four years beginning at Colorado and then the transfer and then to transfer to Arizona State. The college football playoff run was brilliant. He had a massive knee tear was what it was. Dating back to 2022 going into 23. He played just a few games at the end of 23. It was an MCL, ACL and PCL tear. Comes back full form 2024 to Arizona State and was awesome. That was the best tape on him. I don't know what the best tape. It was great tape. But he had some drop passes and all that. Yeah. He elevated his game this next year, but he missed the college football playoff, if you remember, with a broken collarbone. Then this past year, he has a hamstring injury that everyone just assumed he just shut it down at the end of the year. Arizona State was not the level that everyone was hoping, following that college football playoff run in 2024. So he doesn't finish the season with the hamstring, but then he doesn't work out at the combine. Then he doesn't work out at the pro day. So teams, rightfully so, am I going to invest close to $50 million? I want to see him work out. I want to see the product. So Joe Shane goes out to a workout that apparently was just 28 routes and catches. And also spends some time with Jordan Tyson there, because Jordan didn't work out at that pro day that I mentioned before with Max Iheanachor, another potential first round pick tonight, the offensive tackle. But Harbaugh and Shane were there, and then Shane goes back out just a week ago. Six days ago, it was Friday, April 17th. And apparently spends time with Jordan Tyson. Reports are coming back. Love them. Now, for a lot of organizations, we'd be like, just smoke. But the Giants don't typically, Joe Shane doesn't, you kind of get, you get a beat on that. But then you got John Harbaugh, the new head coach, saying that like, my goal is to create a lot of smoke screens and confusion from this year's draft. So do with that as you may. My point is, they like those two players a lot. Also, Sonny Styles, I am told is not the guy there, even though it kind of makes sense, given John Harbaugh's history. But I think, honestly right now, let's go with Caleb Downs, because Jeremiah Love just came off the board at four.

Speaker 2:
[35:52] Safety and a running back in the top five.

Speaker 1:
[35:54] You're gonna have to get over it tonight. We've been talking about this for months. I thought we had you prepared.

Speaker 2:
[35:59] I think, yeah, I am prepared. This has been an on-going conversation, obviously. And I get it. But at the same time, it is, if you've been doing this for as long as we've been doing it, it's a wild happening. It's a wild event for those two positions to go in the top five.

Speaker 1:
[36:15] I don't disagree. I do not disagree at all. That brings us to six. We've got Mendoza, Bailey, Reese, Jeremiah Love, and Caleb Downs off the board, right?

Speaker 2:
[36:28] The top five players on your board are gone.

Speaker 1:
[36:30] So that makes it easy for us. Yeah. Now we get to six. Well, no, David Bailey is six on the board. You're looking at the wrong board. Mendoza.

Speaker 2:
[36:40] No, you're right.

Speaker 1:
[36:40] I'm sorry. No, Sonny Styles is the one not off the board.

Speaker 2:
[36:43] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[36:44] So Sonny Styles is the best player available on the board when we get to six, but Cleveland needs an offensive tackle. I do think this is a place where they could trade if they get the right opportunity to move back.

Speaker 2:
[36:52] I agree.

Speaker 1:
[36:53] Spencer Fano is what everyone has mocked draft, has mocked, if you will, the offensive tackle from Utah to Cleveland. Todd Muenchen runs a scheme where there are elements of what he did at Utah, where the outside wide zone, right? But there are also elements of the gap power. People who are in the know don't necessarily think that Fano is the best fit, but that's what all the inside information is. My inside information is they like Kaden Proctor a lot, but maybe recognize it's a little bit too early. Proctor is a big, massive guy who has done some zone stuff, but a lot of gap stuff as well at Alabama. He's a player that was 390 pounds during the season, got down to 350, looked like a top 10 pick when he was, but can you count on him to stay at 350 when we now give him more money, fame, and free time than he's ever had before? Not a good equation for a guy to keep his weight to where it needs to be. If they trade back, I think Kaden Proctor is the pick, and that's who I went with in Mach 5.0 because I get the sense that this could be a spot where they move back. Could they just pull the trigger on their guy, Kaden Proctor there at 6? We'll find out in probably an hour and a half from now. Do we want to go with Fano here, not to muddy the waters?

Speaker 2:
[38:13] Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 1:
[38:16] Or is this where Dallas could move up for Sunny Styles? Because I've mocked this before.

Speaker 2:
[38:20] Yeah, I mean, are we doing trades? I would, this to me is the most likely of trades to happen. It's for Cleveland to get out and someone to come up.

Speaker 1:
[38:30] Let's do this.

Speaker 2:
[38:32] No trades.

Speaker 1:
[38:32] Oh, no trades. I was just about to pull the trigger.

Speaker 2:
[38:34] Tucker says no trades.

Speaker 1:
[38:35] On the Saints moving up from eight to three to get Arvel Reese and the Cowboys moving up to six to get Sunny Styles.

Speaker 2:
[38:43] We're in the lab now.

Speaker 1:
[38:45] Then let's go with Offensive Tackle here. You want to go with Fano to keep it?

Speaker 2:
[38:49] No. Let's go Proctor.

Speaker 1:
[38:51] Let's go Kaden Proctor.

Speaker 2:
[38:52] Yeah. I like it. I don't like the pick, but it makes sense to me because I think your analysis is correct. Proctor fits what they want to do.

Speaker 1:
[39:03] They need a left tackle and he's played left tackle.

Speaker 2:
[39:05] Yeah. Fano played left tackle as a freshman.

Speaker 1:
[39:09] As a freshman as well. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[39:10] Right tackle the past two years.

Speaker 1:
[39:11] Just so people understand, Fano is generally regarded as the higher graded offensive tackle. For most, it's Fano and Mauigoa, including us. But yeah, there's some information I've gotten. There's a connection and I know for a fact that they value Kaden Proctor higher than some other teams. Not all, but some. So yeah, let's throw him in there with the full understanding that Fano is the guy that everyone seems to think is going to be the pick there. Then we get to pick seven. This one's intriguing to me. You've got to pick seven, Washington, with what my understanding for my intel is, there is a lot of pressure on Dan Quinn to get that defense right, and understandably so. So you're looking at this board and saying, we're picking at seven, Sonny Styles is number two on their board. Sonny Styles is probably top 10 on everyone's board. Right? Not everyone, but most teams in the league would have him top 10. And I think most teams in the league, honestly, would have him top six to eight.

Speaker 2:
[40:17] Yeah, that'd be strange if he wasn't in the top 10.

Speaker 1:
[40:21] But then there's this tug of, and I'm told that Sonny Styles, if he's there, it's the pick unless Jeremiah Love is here. Jeremiah Love is coming off the board three, four or five. So with this board sitting here currently constructed, where it's Sonny Styles and then it's Carnell Tate, that's the guy I just want to get to. We don't have to talk about anybody else. This is a tough one, man, because you got a quarterback, Jaden Daniels, who's entering now his third year. His rookie year was phenomenal. Second year was mired by injury. And you're looking at a wide receiver core that is underwhelming to say the least. Terry McLaurin, obviously. Deebo Samuel's up in the air. It doesn't seem like he's going to return. They get Traylon Burks, Van Jefferson and Diyami Brown. I think that I did the math on it. It was like a combined 60 catches or so between the three of them last year. Okay. And I don't even know, honestly, if it was that high.

Speaker 2:
[41:19] It might've been in the thirties.

Speaker 1:
[41:20] It was, and then Luke McCaffrey is sitting at your slot receiver. My goodness, could you use an outside, and he doesn't have to be the one. And that's what, he hasn't been the one, Cardinal Tate, the number one receiver. He's been the two opposite Jeremiah Smith. It's a role he's comfortable in. He's a big, strong, physical, contested catch receiver coming out of Ohio State, who also, yeah, he ran a four, five, two, but he's the best deep route runner in this draft.

Speaker 2:
[41:50] Give me a break. Four, five, two is a great time.

Speaker 1:
[41:51] Yeah, no, I'm saying, you don't think four, five, two, and he's an excellent vertical receiver. He's an excellent vertical receiver. Devontae Adams ran in the four, five, excellent vertical receiver.

Speaker 2:
[42:02] Right.

Speaker 1:
[42:04] So, that's a tough call. Who are you taking there?

Speaker 2:
[42:08] Tate.

Speaker 1:
[42:09] Tarnel Tate, why?

Speaker 2:
[42:09] Yeah, I think receivers are more valuable and I think it's close. I love Sonny Styles and what he could be and I think Fred Warner is a good comp of the kind of player he could turn into. I think he's gonna be an excellent linebacker in the league. I'm taking the wide receiver. I'm taking the guy who could be the offensive rookie of the year. Wide receivers used to be a time when wide receivers needed a minute to adjust to the game in the NFL. Now, these guys hit the ground running and Cardinal Tate is coming from basically grad school for receivers. You go to Ohio State, you learn the craft of playing wide receiver. I mean, just look at Brian Heartline is the unbelievable.

Speaker 1:
[42:46] Who just took the UCF head coaching job.

Speaker 2:
[42:49] South Florida, I think.

Speaker 1:
[42:50] South Florida, sorry, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[42:51] So, I mean, that's going to be a loss for that program, obviously, but still, guys who come out there are ready to rip, man. And I don't want to hear about the 4-5-2, and I know that's not what you were saying, but I think some people point to that. I mean, he's not the biggest guy, he's not the fastest guy. How many times are we going to do this? When we talk about the, I made the mistake last year of doing that with Emeka. And I said that he wasn't big enough or whatever. And then he goes out and well, his quarterback's playing well, has a great year. I'm taking the receiver that I am confident that he's going to help my team right away.

Speaker 1:
[43:21] I hear you. But the intel is telling me that this is a Dan Quinn pick. I think, but I've.

Speaker 2:
[43:28] You're right, that part of it is right too. You have a defensive head coach who needs players. But who would you take?

Speaker 1:
[43:38] Who would I take?

Speaker 2:
[43:39] Who would you take? Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[43:41] I would take Carnell Tate. Oh, no I wouldn't. He's number two on my board. I'm taking Sonny Styles.

Speaker 2:
[43:46] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[43:46] I'm taking Sonny Styles.

Speaker 2:
[43:48] I am stoked as a Commander's fan either way.

Speaker 1:
[43:52] Yes, that's important. They're in a great situation. We've got 17 minutes until the start of the draft. The scene in Pittsburgh is awesome, as you would expect, right?

Speaker 2:
[44:03] What a great night for these players.

Speaker 1:
[44:05] Unbelievable. I think lost in all of this. It is not, you better not treat this as like the crowning moment, but it's a special night where it's the start of the rest of your life. And we're seeing the players walk out on the stage now. Interestingly enough, let's go Sonny Styles there, because I think it could be the pick, but it won't shock me if it's Tate. New Orleans is sitting there at number eight. I gave them Ruben Bain. I've since been told don't know that that fits their criteria with the short arms. You want to explain to people what's going on there?

Speaker 2:
[44:40] Generally, they're looking for guys who are just bigger and longer. They want the Cam Jordans of the world. I don't know of Ruben Bain.

Speaker 1:
[44:47] This is Dennis Allen in his defensive scheme, but still in that scheme. No, not Dennis Allen. Dennis Allen was with New Orleans forever. He is with Chicago. That's why they're looking for the Cam Jordans when they get to pick 25.

Speaker 2:
[45:07] Keep in mind, I hear what you're saying and I'm looking up the corner. It's Brandon Staley.

Speaker 1:
[45:12] Brandon Staley is looking for an explosive getter.

Speaker 2:
[45:15] He's looking for two different kinds of guy. He's looking for a guy that can control a gap and a half, and he's looking for a guy that can come screaming off the edge. He's a little more undersized. But also, it's the same general manager who has had success picking a certain kind of an edge and will probably tweak it to match what Staley wants. I still think they're going to want a bigger and longer defensive end than that.

Speaker 1:
[45:38] Yes. And so Brandon Staley, if you don't know necessarily, like think of the Chargers. He was with Chicago for a minute. I believe it was Chicago. He had Floyd, Leonard Floyd. He had Khalil Mack and Joey Bosa.

Speaker 2:
[45:54] He was at St. Louis. I mean, he was with the Rams. Sorry, I was told I am.

Speaker 1:
[45:58] The Rams, yeah. So yeah, it was the Rams, Floyd. So my point in all of this is it's explosive takeoff. And but regardless, the word I'm getting is Bain might not fit. And that's part of the reason why I'm told, don't rule out them moving up from eight to three for whichever pass rushers not there. I've heard Reese is more their guy, but we'll come to find out in just a little bit here. And that's what I mocked in Mach 4.0. That trade was eight to three. So it brings us back to pick eight here. And we're looking at our board, and all top six players are off of it. Jeremiah Love, R. Val Reese, Sonny Styles, Fernando Mendoza, Caleb Downs, David Bailey. They need a wide receiver. They want an edge. And if it's not Ruben Bain, there isn't an edge to be had in this range of the draft. They could use a corner in that scheme for Brendan Staley. It's also we need corners who are intelligent, who can play zone match, meaning zone coverage, eyes up front, but then someone's crossing through, you're going to match and be man to man. You've got to be able to do both at a high level. And honest to God, when I watched his tape, I was blown away from one game to the next, from one series to the next, the way that Mansoor Delane from LSU was able to play man and zone at both an exceptionally high level. So he fits exactly what they want. What do you think in here?

Speaker 2:
[47:33] I like Delane.

Speaker 1:
[47:34] Oh, oh, oh. And I'm also told Jordan Tyson.

Speaker 2:
[47:37] Right, Jordan Tyson's right there.

Speaker 1:
[47:38] The wide receiver from Arizona State that we talked about earlier, they've got a thing for him too.

Speaker 2:
[47:45] And they need... If you're doing this based on need, I'm taking Tyson. And we can play the game of you always take the best player available. That's not really a thing. You're going to have to take players that are going to fit your roster and what you need the most. So Jordan, there's a strong argument for Jordan Tyson there. I am still taking Delane. I watch Delane. I think there's going to be a lot of teams that look back in the top five who pass on him and are going to regret it. I think he's got the instincts of an apex predator when you watch him on tape. He's a guy that just was born to play corner in the NFL when you watch how he tracks the ball, hunts the ball, makes plays in coverage. He's not the biggest or longest corner. I get it. I think that's probably why he's not going a little bit early, even though this is early. That's probably why he's not going earlier than seven or eight or nine. But that being said, everything else is there. It amazed me for a while that Jermod McCoy, the corner from Tennessee, who is a very talented player, was probably going to fall tonight because of his durability issues. But there was some kind of an argument there of who was the best corner in this class. It's not even close on tape to me. It's not even close. It's Monsor Delane by a wide gap.

Speaker 1:
[48:59] So I just don't think that they're going to pull the trigger on them.

Speaker 2:
[49:04] I don't either.

Speaker 1:
[49:06] I don't.

Speaker 2:
[49:06] I hear you. I don't think they will. I think they're going to go with the wide receiver. Again, these guys hit the ground running. They have a major need there. You have a young quarterback. I get it. I'm psyched with either pick. I would take Delane.

Speaker 1:
[49:22] I would, honest to God, rather see them with with Cardinal Tate than Jordan Tyson, but my information is saying Jordan Tyson here. So let's go with the information.

Speaker 2:
[49:34] In this scenario, we had to take going off to the commanders, no?

Speaker 1:
[49:37] No, we gave him Sonny Styles.

Speaker 2:
[49:40] I'm really messing up the drill. That's twice I've gotten Styles wrong. Okay, got it now.

Speaker 1:
[49:47] So Jordan Tyson, yeah, we'll go with Jordan Tyson there. Then we get to pick number nine, that's Mansoor Delane or Ruben Bain, is my understanding. They want to get an offensive tackle. They're probably going to trade up, would be my guess from that 29th pick, their second pick in the first round, one of six teams this year who have two picks in the first round, right?

Speaker 2:
[50:09] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[50:10] So, and good luck making a move up there because I think everyone in the middle of this draft, everyone I've talked to, and Tampa Bay's fielding calls like crazy. Like you got to be on hold. If you're calling Tampa Bay right now and you're calling the New York Jets for the 15th and 16th pick, you're probably being put on hold or the call is getting cut short because another one's coming in. That's talking to people there and they're getting a lot of calls because Detroit's sitting there at pick 17 and 15 is Tampa Bay, 16 is the Jets. And from my understanding, both teams are very willing to listen to all these conversations. So we're going to see a lot of movement, I think, in that middle portion of the first round for these seven offensive tackles that are going to come off the board. And let's say with number 9, let's go with Mansoor Delane.

Speaker 2:
[50:59] Love it.

Speaker 1:
[51:00] You just made a great argument. So now you're-

Speaker 2:
[51:02] My comp for him was Trent McDuffie, who they just lost.

Speaker 1:
[51:05] Which is perfect. So then now you're sitting there at number 10 and the Giants are back on the clock. And Jordan Tyson's gone.

Speaker 2:
[51:16] But-

Speaker 1:
[51:16] Colonel Tate is not gone. And it's funny because I've heard a lot more about Tyson than Tate there. But it doesn't mean they don't like Tate. They also, there's been a lot of discussion about Francis Maui Noa, the offensive tackle who could play guard. And you've got a Lumenor that they just resigned who can play, who I would say penciled in right now to be the right tackle. And they've got three other guys that are kind of not great options, but can kind of fight for that right guard spot. So where are you going here, Maui Noa versus, honestly, I could see this being Tate.

Speaker 2:
[52:00] It's gotta be Tate in my mind.

Speaker 1:
[52:02] I think so too. You got a young quarterback, you went defense with the fifth pick. Let's get him a weapon. Jackson Darten needs a reliable, and we don't know if Malik, Malik Neighbors is gonna be just fine in time. But even to start the season, there's speculation, he, is he gonna be 100%? Will he be the starter in week one? So I think this makes a lot of sense to bring in a very safe, reliable, consistent, physical. I can tell you right now, by the way, side note, there's no chance, no commercials. That's the beauty of this show tonight. No commercials. There's no chance I'm not going in the restroom at some point. I didn't last year.

Speaker 2:
[52:40] Thank goodness you said it.

Speaker 1:
[52:42] It already crossed my mind.

Speaker 2:
[52:43] I walked in the room with four waters. That was a, that was bad strategy.

Speaker 1:
[52:46] Huge mistake.

Speaker 2:
[52:48] Hold on though, I will say this. The Giants would have loved to have gotten a stud defensive tackle, you know, someone with a Dexter Lawrence type talent at this pick. I'm just telling you, I understand why they made the trade. It wasn't working out. They need interior defensive linemen. We'll see them get it later on. We'll see them on, I'm sure this time tomorrow, we'll be talking about how the Giants are going to get a defensive tackle. And there should be a couple of good ones in that range.

Speaker 1:
[53:13] They pick again at what, 35? I think it is in the second round. I think you're right.

Speaker 2:
[53:17] And we'll talk about it then. But if there was a defensive tackle here, there was a Mason Graham out of Michigan last year, a player that they would not hesitate.

Speaker 1:
[53:26] They had a need at that spot before they traded Dexter Lawrence. That's how severe of a need it is.

Speaker 2:
[53:31] They gave up more than five yards per carry last year. They have got to get an interior defense tackle.

Speaker 1:
[53:35] To that point, I have gotten a lot of information late. And I said a month ago, and I kind of cooled off on it because it wasn't the information I was getting, that I truly believe Peter Woods from Clemson and Caden McDonald are two first-rounders. They're going to go in the first round. Peter Woods is kind of the three technique. His 2024 tape at Clemson was a lot better than this past year. But this is a guy who, honestly, there's not a massive gap between he and Mason Graham. I'm just going to say it. And so...

Speaker 2:
[54:07] You think that between him and Peter Woods?

Speaker 1:
[54:11] Talent-wise, yes.

Speaker 2:
[54:12] You are out of your mind.

Speaker 1:
[54:14] Well, we'll have that discussion on the clock. But my information is that both Mason Graham and Caden McDonald, they're teens now, that there's getting calls about them. And I've had a couple of conversations that lead me to believe that one, if not both, and interestingly enough, Woods before McDonald.

Speaker 2:
[54:34] Interesting.

Speaker 1:
[54:34] Yeah. I've heard Baltimore at 14, not at 14, but in a trade back would be interested. Minnesota at 18. You look at Javon Hargrave, Jonathan Allen, both gone. All the way down to Houston, which is picking at... Houston is picking at 28. Those are teams to keep an eye on.

Speaker 2:
[54:52] Houston makes the most sense scheme-wise. I mean, Minnesota and Baltimore, Peter Woods doesn't make a lot of sense in my mind, but that's interesting. They obviously will have a plan for that kind of a player.

Speaker 1:
[55:02] So there's that. We're coming up on the draft in six minutes. Pick 11, I think, is going to be offensive and defensive lineman. We have now taken, I want to say, every single player in the top 10, if we're looking at it, right? Every player went in the top 10. Mendoza went... Oh, this is Mach 5.1, sorry. So Mendoza, Bailey, with, by the way, right now, as we just discussed, there seems to be a heavy push in the gambling market and a lot of buzz coming out that it could be R. Valrice, and I'm not totally ruling out a trade. Then the Jets, after the Jets pick it too, which will be for an edge rusher or a trade team trading up for an edge rusher, it will be the Arizona Cardinals picking. Also a team, we're hearing a lot about, would they trade out, and we buried the lead before, trade out of three and get the offensive linemen they need in Francis Maui-Noa or Spencer Fano to fill that right tackle need that they have, and also get extra ammunition because the Ty Simpson market is heating up. Wait for it. Here we go. Remember? Remember I said in December, wait for it. Ty Simpson market is heating up and the Cardinals are sitting at pick 34 and need to potentially move up higher than they originally had hoped to go get Ty Simpson. So that could be a trade for a team moving up for Arville Reese. If not, we're told Jeremiah Love could very well be the pick. In this 5.1 mock, we go with Jeremiah Love at number four. I think that that will be the pick if he's still sitting there. Number five is Caleb Downs. I think Love would be the pick if he's still sitting there at five. If not, Caleb Downs is the information I'm getting. With a keep an eye out on Jordan Tyson. They like him. They like him a lot, but I think they'd rather be able to get him at 10. Caden Proctor is what we went with Cleveland. I think that they could move back and get Caden Proctor. If they stay there, all the information seems to be that it's Spencer Fano, the offensive tackle from Utah. We went with Sonny Styles at seven, recognizing that could be Carnell Tate. Styles could come off the board at four to Tennessee. Jordan Tyson, we gave it to the Saints at eight, recognizing, hey, who could trade up to number three with the Arizona Cardinals? Most likely candidate, Mickey Loomis and the Saints, as I had in Mach 4.0. But if they stick there and pick, it's a wide receiver, a corner, or it's not an edge because it's not Ruben Bain. So it's a wide receiver or it's cornerback Mansoor Delane. Then we get Mansoor Delane coming off the board at pick nine, recognizing that could very well be Jordan Tyson if he's available, Carnell Tate who's still available, and also I would say more so than those wide receivers, Ruben Bain, the edge rusher. Kansas City's been rumored to be in trade, not rumored to be. I know the Kansas City Chiefs have made calls about the potential trade up. What would it cost? Conversations with teams below them. I think the Dallas Cowboys are an interesting team to keep an eye on, of what would we get if we moved out of pick nine. This could be a wild top ten tonight. Then at number ten, we've got the Giants again. Is it, is it, do we get the perfect match where we get our Caleb Downs? Not the perfect match. The perfect match for the Giants is Jeremiah Love and best defensive player. Maybe it's a Caleb Downs still at ten. The second best is we get Caleb Downs, I guess, at five. And then at ten, we get, we get the offensive, you know, the wide receiver that we want.

Speaker 2:
[58:37] Which would be, well, we think that wide receiver would be Tyson. We think they favored Tyson over Tate.

Speaker 1:
[58:42] Right. John Eric Sullivan, the GM for the Miami Dolphins, has a roster that I don't think I've ever entered a draft and seen so much, like, true need. Like, I don't know that I've ever seen a roster this depleted, but they've got a bunch of picks tonight to get it started and a bunch of, they have two picks tonight, a bunch of picks in the first two rounds. They have four picks in the third round. This is an organization that literally will sit there and like, okay, what's our board? Who's available? Take him. And with a lean towards, if they've got a cluster or a bucket of players with the same grade, it'll be offensive or defensive, Lyman, let's build this trenches out. So that could very easily be a Spencer Fano or a Maui Noah, okay? One of those offensive tackles there. It could be Ruben Bain if he doesn't go in the top 10, which I think somehow, some way he will, but Ruben Bain could be sitting there at 11. They're in an interesting spot, Miami is. Then you've got Pick 12, the Dallas Cowboys. We talked a lot about. They need edge and corner. They also just franchised today, just hours ago, Pickens, their wide receiver, right?

Speaker 2:
[59:54] He signed the franchise.

Speaker 1:
[59:56] He signed the franchise tag after contract discussions and disputes and frustration. He's there for one more year, but this could be an opportunity if a if a Cardinal Tate or Jordan Tyson were to fall there. I think the Cowboys are very likely to move up, but only slightly, but they're capable of anything tonight. I think at Pick 20, they'd like to move back, but I hear a lot of noise about the potential for like a chiefs. You get, we get picked 9 and 29, you get the chiefs would then get 12 and 20. So something's brewing with Dallas, even though that goes against historically what they've done. And at 13, I don't think there's a chance in the world less need the general manager of the LA Rams sits there and just nice and quietly and easily walks up to or punches in the number and gives it McKay-Lemon at 13. They've been targeting, I have information on, they've been doing a lot of work even up to this week, Wednesday this week on second day wide receivers that fit their scheme. Okay, they want a receiver, but they are a wild card. They are a team when you hear who could be trading up for Jeremiah Love. Watch out for that. They're a wild card. Where's Ty Simpson going? I know Ty Simpson has a lot of love from the important players inside that organization. I promise you there were conversations between organization Ty Simpson's father back in the fall. Okay. So I'm not saying they're going to, but I gave Ty Simpson to the Rams at 13 and people think I'm, I just mailed it in this year. He's off his rocker. He's got Kaden Proctor going to the Cleveland Browns and he's got Ty Simpson going 13. I'm not saying it's happening, but I've been shocked that we're here at this point and there hasn't been more connection. And then I pick up my phone and Albert Breer's writing in his final bit of information just before the draft saying, saying Ty Simpson, there's a connection there with the Rams. And here we go.

Speaker 2:
[62:03] Here we go.

Speaker 1:
[62:05] It's 8. We appreciate everyone who's here tonight. It's 8.01. It's time for the draft to start. Everyone who's watching on Netflix, this is our maiden voyage. And we're thrilled to have you here watching the show. We have eight minute picks tonight. It's going to be the fastest first round in the history of the NFL draft. And we're here for all of the craziness, the potential trades. We've got one quarterback at the top. We've got a lot of suspense about who the next quarterback's going to be or when the next quarterback is going to come off the board and tie Simpson. We've got about six elite players at the top. We've got offensive tackles that are going to start flying off the board. We've got some receivers that are going to start flying late in this first round. You're going to be here with us, we hope, for the entire process. The first time Netflix has ever had an NFL Draft Show live, and we're thrilled to be hosting it for you. You can join the chat, Muench, where is the word? Discord? Discord. Go to at McShay13 on X, at YouGoodMuench on X. You can find, just click the link, we made it nice and easy for you. Join the chat. Hey, Discord, sorry. Don't let me host the show, right? I've heard ATB always trade back.

Speaker 2:
[63:27] Cole Marie.

Speaker 1:
[63:28] Cole Marie. The whole gang is back from our chat, and we're thrilled to have everyone there. We'll be checking in with you tonight as well.

Speaker 2:
[63:34] I wonder who Haas is firing.

Speaker 1:
[63:36] Haas is firing someone. I'm sure it'll be with the first pick. He'll probably be firing Tom Brady from the Raiders. The towels are flying. Roger Goodell's at the podium. We can't hear, thankfully. They're probably booing him and a few cheers, because that's the tradition, is that Goodell gets booed at the draft, and here we go. It's the first pick, and I think, well, we know it's Fernando Mendoza, but I do at this point, man, if Dante Moore was in this draft, all we would have talked about for the last three months, all we would have talked about is Dante Moore, Mendoza. Let's put on the tape. Let's look at the analytics. And all these other players would have been kind of, yeah, I could remember ESPN, it was, all right, the A's are Dante Moore and Mendoza. The B's will be Mendoza and Dante Moore. The C's will get, oh, there's, okay, a couple of wide receivers. And then, yeah, give us one player you're intrigued by. And that would be it. And it would be rinse and repeat every day. But because Mendoza has been locked in for so long, we haven't given him the full treatment, you know?

Speaker 2:
[64:51] It's true.

Speaker 1:
[64:52] And, like, this guy, let's just do it now. Fernando Mendoza was a three-star coming out of Christopher Columbus High School in Miami, okay? As a three-star, you're not getting offers. And some people think it was a two-star, whatever star it was coming out.

Speaker 2:
[65:15] Not a lot of stars.

Speaker 1:
[65:16] Not a lot of stars. He doesn't get a single offer coming out of high school. In a hotbed area, by the way, Miami, South Florida, doesn't get a single offer from a scholarship program in the country, right? And there's over 130 of them. He gets an offer from Yale. He then tries to plead with Miami to let him walk on as the walk-on quarterback for the Miami Hurricanes. They say, no, man, you're not good enough. So he accepts the offer from Yale, getting ready to go there. Last minute, Cal has a need. They reach out, and the only scholarship offer that he gets, Fernando Mendoza, right? All 6'5 of him, and probably 205 pounds at the time. Only offer he gets is from Cal, so he goes up to Cal, and he grinds through it the first year. I believe he winds up red-shirting that year. He has to fight his way to the top of the depth chart, and he finally gets the job in 2023. He gets the starting job, but is battling, and goes through some injuries, and goes through all the things that you go through as a first-year starting quarterback. Then 2024 comes, and we watched the tape this summer, and I remember saying to you, Muench, this guy's a first-rounder, if he cleans up the turnover-worthy plays. At Cal, remember, they're going up on a weekly basis, basically, against opponents that are better. Right? NIL, Transfer Portal, if you're playing now in the ACC, and it's just better competition. And so he's battling every single week, right? And so the tape shows a quarterback who had to kind of carry a little bit. And to carry is the rest of his team is on the offensive side. And so he works his way, and all of a sudden they start winning some games. Right? And he winds up the end of the season. I think they're five and five when he suffers an injury and doesn't fit, play the last two games. He lost his second to last game as a starter. He won his last game as a starter. Then the final two games he doesn't play. Then he gets a call. Kirk Cignetti did this unbelievable, this turnover job coming from small school college level, IUP, to James Madison, then to Indiana. Inherit some players, including the quarterback, I believe, Curtis Rourke, right?

Speaker 2:
[67:49] Or did he bring him in from Ohio? Ohio, okay.

Speaker 1:
[67:53] Brings him in from Ohio. Brings in about a third to a half of the roster from JMU, where he was last.

Speaker 2:
[67:58] That would have been Cignetti's pitch to him right away, though. Every stop that Cignetti was at after IUP, he brought in a transfer quarterback, and almost always that quarterback was conference player of the year the next year.

Speaker 1:
[68:08] It's insane. And Rourke, who was limited athletically and was injured that last year, had a lot of success in the system. So Mendoza's like, it's an opportunity I have to take. Indiana went from one of the laughing stocks in college football to in the college football playoff, right? In the first year that Cignetti was there, googled me, right? That was his whole thing.

Speaker 2:
[68:29] So good.

Speaker 1:
[68:30] And so opportunity, he sees opportunity, Fernando Mendoza does. So the son of Cuban immigrants winds up getting this opportunity to go play for a team that legitimately could make a run at a national title, but still hadn't been solidified yet. Maybe it was just one great year, but everyone's going to get a beat on Cignetti.

Speaker 2:
[68:50] Remember the schedule we talked to?

Speaker 1:
[68:51] The schedule is a lot harder this year. We got Oregon, we got Iowa, we got Penn State. Like this is going to be a tough run. It's not going to be like the first year for Cignetti. So he brings in Mendoza, and Mendoza is like, who's been to the Manning Passing Academy the last couple of years, and his beloved there is like, sorry guys, I can't come down. Like he's put in the grinder right away, learning the system. It's RPO based. It's all these different things that don't look NFL. But in doing so, he learned a discipline with his eyes and with his reads of where I need to be, play within structure, I don't need to be the hero that I was at Cal. I've got players around me. By the way, I got three guys who are going to play in the NFL wide receiver alone. I got two running backs that are going to be in the NFL in a matter of four days. And being black in the backfield, Omar Cooper Jr. You're going to hear his name called tonight at wide receiver. The other receiver is Elijah Sarat. You're probably going to hear his name called tomorrow night in the NFL draft. I got some weapons now and they can protect me and the system is operable. And so he goes on to win 16 straight games. National Championship, the Heisman Trophy along the way.

Speaker 2:
[70:02] Just rattles them off.

Speaker 1:
[70:04] And when Dante Moore decided the Oregon quarterback to go back to school for another year, he became the absolute no-brainer pick for John Spytek and the Las Vegas Raiders, right? And so we're about to, with four minutes and 40 seconds approximately, depending on our few second delay, on the clock, we're about to end. It looks like the pick is in, and it's going to be obviously Fernando Mendoza. He now, in addition to all those accolades, becomes the first overall pick of the 2026 NFL Draft. And to me, it is one of the great all-time, four-year stories of a player picking up from the ruin, being told, you ain't good enough, kid, to play anywhere where they give you money to go play, to national champion, Heisman Trophy winner, and now officially the number one overall pick in the NFL Draft to the Las Vegas Raiders. Pretty awesome.

Speaker 2:
[71:03] It's what makes the NFL so great, what makes the draft so great. There's a lot of great stories, a lot of great stories. This is right up there, man.

Speaker 1:
[71:10] It really is. And now it becomes, can you do it in the pros? That was an RPO-based system. Tape doesn't look that good. Tape doesn't look like the NFL tape. And I'll be the first to admit, nine games through the year, Ty Simpson was the better quarterback. Ty Simpson was doing NFL stuff, pre-snap, getting motion of you guys around, man-to-man coverage. We go there, balls out decisive, anticipation, all that stuff. Meanwhile, I got Mendoza doing RPO, one read, we get two by two receivers, right? Two to the right, two to the left. We're going the right side on this read, right field read, corner back, if he comes here, I go there. Corner back goes there, I go here, right? And so it just looks simple, but he's completing like 21 of 23 in every game. And then you start watching these games and you're like, nothing's blowing me away until the fourth quarter. And typically after like a bad mistake or an interception in the fourth quarter, the Iowa game on the road, the Oregon game on the road, the Penn State game on the road. Oregon, I believe, was a pick six, right?

Speaker 2:
[72:20] Yeah, he threw a pick six.

Speaker 1:
[72:21] Bad picks, latent games that put his team in danger. Well, guess what? That's when Superman put his cape on and went and fixed it. Yeah. I don't know that I've seen a stone cold killer. Third down, red zone, 28 touchdowns, zero interceptions, fourth downs, fourth quarter, game on the line since Joe Burrow in 2019. I mean, a stone cold killer when the game's on the line, when the situation demands the quarterback to step up to that moment. That's why he's the number one.

Speaker 2:
[72:58] I agree. You can talk about the accuracy. You can talk about the frame. You can talk about the mobility. You can talk about the toughness. All of those things are there and that's great. But it's about, I mean, can we say it? Are we allowed to say onions on the live Netflix show? Absolutely. I didn't know if we're like trying to class it up. This is a classic McShay onions guy. When it matters the most, he steps up and he makes a play. And that's what you really want in a quarterback. You can have the strongest arm in the world. He can run around and make people miss. Oh, the pick is in. The pick is in. But if he doesn't have the toughness, the mental toughness to make plays when it matters the most, it doesn't really matter.

Speaker 1:
[73:34] And Fernando Mendoza becomes not the starting quarterback right away. We'll get to that conversation in a minute. But the franchise future quarterback of the Las Vegas Raiders. And I want to say this before we roll the B-roll and the tape on him. This is important to realize. Culture is needed and culture is defined by winning in the NFL. Let's be honest, right? Leadership comes from winning. The Raiders are in desperate need of winners in that organization. Fernando is a winner. You ready for this? The last time he lost a game as a starter was 11-16-2024 versus the 20th ranked Syracuse team at the time. And he did it in a shootout of sorts, 33-25. He's 17-0 Mendoza is since that game on November 16 of 2024. The Raiders record dating back to 11-16-2024, 5-20.

Speaker 2:
[74:38] Wow, nice pull.

Speaker 1:
[74:39] Thank you, sir.

Speaker 2:
[74:40] I like that.

Speaker 1:
[74:41] Came on my walk in Manhattan Beach this morning. But that's in a nutshell, that's the deal with this guy. And Tom Brady sees a lot of himself in Fernando Mendoza, I'm sure. And I mentioned the big moments, Leighton games and big moments in big games. You're going to see a little bit of it here. Decisive, he's 6'5, he's 235 pounds now he's up to. And you can see some of the mobility, it's not great, but on a straight line, it's pretty decent for his size.

Speaker 2:
[75:10] The toughness, man, on that run.

Speaker 1:
[75:13] He's got really good energy on the ball. I'm not putting him in the elite class, but he's just a notch below. The decisiveness and the way he understands and operates is a big part of his game. I also think the accuracy, here's an interesting thing for you. I was watching him and I went back recently and started watching a lot of these guys just to kind of refresh my brain, because I've got all these reports and everything all over our site, right? That you can find by the way, theringer.com/mcshay is a brand new baby. We're developing it and it's got all of our scouting reports. It's got a top 300 board there. You can find our mock drafts there. You don't need to watch it tonight. I looked through it tonight, but going through all of his tape. His, one of the most surprising or the one of the things that just stood out to me the most is long levered guys at quarterback don't use usually have such repeatable mechanics. And what do I mean by that? I mean, it's hard when you're six foot five and got these long arms and long legs to have consistency with your stroke throwing the football, right? And so I watched him and it's amazing to me and that you don't just like, that's not born, that is like obsessive. It's obsessive drilling and training and working on the littlest details. And also, as a young man who was a zero star, one star, two star, whatever he was with no scholarship offers, like the chip that has to be on your shoulder to be that obsessive, to drill in that much detail to every time he throws the ball, it's like you can't tell the difference from this throw to the next throw. And it leads to his accuracy, but it also speaks to who he is. And it honestly, it has to be. And I would be thrilled to know and we'll never know, like would it have been Dante Moore, who maybe is a little bit more talented in terms of passing, all that, or would it have been Mendoza if Moore was in this class? But it's got to be Tom Brady looking at this guy as part of the ownership group. And obviously a huge say in this decision, specifically all of them. He's got to see a lot of himself.

Speaker 2:
[77:20] Would you say it's a Brady size chip on his shoulder?

Speaker 1:
[77:23] Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[77:24] Jets are up, man.

Speaker 1:
[77:25] All right, Jets are up.

Speaker 2:
[77:26] Here we go.

Speaker 1:
[77:27] We have all day two to talk about the fit with Kubiak and working with Brian Greasy from Mendoza getting ready for it. But this is the drama that I've been waiting for. I am here for this drama.

Speaker 2:
[77:39] We all are, man. This is gonna be great.

Speaker 1:
[77:41] David Bailey is the pick. It's bird in hand. He's the proven pass rusher. He's the guy that you look at and you see the numbers. You see what it looks like with the length, 33 and three quarters inch arms, 6'3, 5'8. He ran a 4'5, 40, not exceptional, but he's fast enough. And the production score is among the best you'll ever find for an edge rusher, right? Coming out in the draft. In 2025, he racked up 19 and a half tackles for loss, 14 and a half sacks, forced three fumbles all on strip sacks. Tape got better and better each and every week. But then you got R. A cyborg is one executive in the league talking to me about him, called him, who's not developed yet. One year as a starter. Edge rusher was only used kind of as spot duty. It increased Matt Patricia, the defensive coordinator, spent a lot of time in the NFL, including with Tom Brady and with Bill Belichick in New England. Got the most out of him. But there's more you can get. It was only his first year as a starter. The pick is in, and it's David Bailey. And thank goodness I stuck to my guns even though I flip flopped for 48 hours and came back to it. But thank goodness we stuck to our guns again today.

Speaker 2:
[78:59] What was with the cancelled visit? Who cares? I think they make the right pick here. I think this is the right player for them.

Speaker 1:
[79:07] The cancelled visit was this. I think that there was a world in which an opportunity came into trade and I think word had gotten out that it was David Bailey for a while. And I think word got out that if it's David... And while word got out that it might be David Bailey, we're not getting enough calls. What if it's Arvel Reese? And so the Arvel Reese stuff starts getting out there. And let's see if there's any... Maybe Dallas is more interested in Reese. Because why is it that the guy sitting right behind me is getting all these calls in the Arizona Cardinals? Why is it we're talking of the Chiefs moving up, the Saints moving up, or the Cowboys moving up for Reese? But at the end of the day, this is the guy they wanted. This is the guy that Aaron Glenn believes can be the difference in his defense. I'm not saying he's gonna be Hutch, Aiden Hutchinson, for who was phenomenal when Aaron Glenn was defensive coordinator in Detroit, but you can see the flat-out speed from Aaron Bailey. The force fumbles we talked about. What on tape jumped out to you the most about Bailey?

Speaker 2:
[80:16] I actually think he's more than just a speed rusher. It is his speed, and I get that, but I think he wins with his hands, and he's able to redirect a little bit more than people give him credit for. We will say he's gotta get better against the run. He's a little bit of a leaner guy, but I think he's got the length and the frame to get better there. We'll see how long that takes, and what role he plays early for the Jets. But again, I think this is the right pick, because he's more of a... It's a higher... It's tough to say. I feel like it's a little higher floor than Arvel Reese. As an edge, as an edge. I think Arvel Reese is going to be a great off-ball linebacker if he's not a great edge. But as an edge, strictly speaking, the floor is a little higher for David Bailey, in my opinion.

Speaker 1:
[81:00] The floor is higher, and that's why they took him.

Speaker 2:
[81:02] Yeah, right.

Speaker 1:
[81:03] I've come to find out that Darren Moudjee, the general manager for the New York Jets, is, like I said before, he's along came Polly. He's Ben Stiller. He's like a human risk assessment.

Speaker 2:
[81:17] Ruben.

Speaker 1:
[81:19] Ruben. That's what he is. It's risk assessment. He's risk averse, and there's risk in the conversion from off-ball linebacker to edge, and there's risk in one-year starter. With David Bailey, it's four years in college. It's development. It's year-over-year improvement. It's peaking in his last year, and it's proven pass rush ability, and that's what they went with at the end of the day. Now, you could argue the floor is high because you know you're getting a great off-ball linebacker. I get that, but some in the league I talked to said, yeah, you can be a great off-ball linebacker, or Val Reese can be, but you can't really turn and run in coverage. Like, that was Sonny Styles.

Speaker 2:
[81:58] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[81:59] So what are we getting? So that was the discussion inside the building until the building shut off, and it was one to two to three people max that actually had this information, and misinformation was getting out there, but it certainly gave us a lot of drama leading up to the draft. And I'm grateful for it, man. And so as we look at David Bailey now, I want to look at the Jets real quickly.

Speaker 2:
[82:21] Yeah, the clock is, I mean, we are rolling. I'm telling you, this eight-minute thing is going to, we've got to use this pace.

Speaker 1:
[82:27] They've got three more picks in the top 44. We'll get back to it, but this is a huge addition for the New York Jets in terms of needing the pass rusher to build around. They brought in Tavandre Sweat. They brought in David Onyemata, the defensive tackles. Those are two interior guys. They brought in the aging Demario Davis. They brought in Joseph Assai. They brought in Na'Shawn Wright and Minka Fitzpatrick. They brought in a lot of dudes on the defensive side, but while they're bringing in veterans, they need to get young on that side. Next year is going to be about the quarterback and continuing to put pieces around them. Pick 16 could be about trading back to get even more picks. And if not, it's probably going to be about getting a weapon, yeah, for Gino this year, but for 2027's quarterback, when we go insert Arch Manning or we go insert Dante Moore, because anything less than whoever's number one or two on the board, then this kind of failed, because they're the team that probably is going to be, everyone picking in the top 10 to begin with, they also got three picks already in the first round in 2027. So that's outrageous, that's not normal. I think the Jets the last, it was, wasn't that, my gosh, that was one of the first years we covered the draft. They had three first runs, Anthony Becht, man, I'm dating myself.

Speaker 2:
[83:46] Is that the Prickershoffer?

Speaker 1:
[83:48] The quarterback, yeah, was it?

Speaker 2:
[83:51] I think he was after that.

Speaker 1:
[83:51] The Prickershoffer, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[83:52] The Cardinals are sticking and picking.

Speaker 1:
[83:55] The Cardinals are sticking and picking right now.

Speaker 2:
[83:57] So this is the first spot we thought we might see a trade.

Speaker 1:
[84:01] Everyone tells me it's Jeremiah Love, then.

Speaker 2:
[84:04] Let's see.

Speaker 1:
[84:05] That's the information. It's Jeremiah Love.

Speaker 2:
[84:07] I hate when we do the pick is in and then it takes five minutes to get it going.

Speaker 1:
[84:13] If they're not trading out, that is, that in and of itself is news, right? Because there was a lot of conversation about the Saints at eight trading up for an edge rusher, R. There's a lot of talk about the Chiefs trading up from nine to number three, R. Vel Rees. There was talk about the Cowboys trading all the way up, giving pick 12 and 20 to go all the way up to get R.

Speaker 2:
[84:36] Vel Rees, right?

Speaker 1:
[84:37] No longer is that a possibility. It is now the Cardinals' pick. My sensibilities tell me, my gosh, they need an offensive tackle, but this is too high for Francis Maui Noah. My sensibilities tell me, my gosh, don't turn down an edge rusher for a running back.

Speaker 2:
[84:56] Right.

Speaker 1:
[84:57] You don't do that if they're anywhere close in grade. But my intel tells me it's going to be Jeremiah Love. I'm not saying that's a bad pick, and we're about to find out right now. The pick is in, and with the third pick in the 2026 NFL Draft, wait for it. Pause is really effective.

Speaker 2:
[85:21] Yeah, pause for effect.

Speaker 1:
[85:23] Jeremiah Love. They're fascinating pick. I was told ownership wanted Jeremiah Love. I was told the coaching staff obsessed with Jeremiah Love, understandably. So Mike LaFleur, remember Mike LaFleur, new head coach comes from that tree, the Shanahan Tree, brothers, the head coach, Green Bay Packer, wide zone, the system that a lot of teams are using because in different variations of like the LaFleur version looks different from the McVay version, which looks only slightly different from that. But it looks different than that of the San Francisco and Shanahan version, which looks different than dad, the dad Shanahan version. KOC, Kevin O'Connell in Minnesota is running a little bit different version, but they're all from that tree. And in that tree, there is an emphasis, interestingly enough, because it was not there for dad. You get a running back in the 6th, Terrell Davis, you get a running back 6th, 7th round. Here you see Jeremiah Love. Why is he so important? See the catching of the football. That's why. The spin move is beautiful. The top end speed, remember, he runs a 4-3-6 at the combine. Not only are you getting a big dude, you're getting 4-3-6 speed. You're getting a guy that makes you miss. You're getting a guy that spins out of trouble with good contact balance for a taller running back. And most importantly, most importantly, I say this, in this system and for this pick, you better be getting more than just a running back if you're drafting a running back at number three. And in this system, they believe with Mike LaFleur coming in, that a running back can not only be a guy we turn around him the ball off to. Jacoby Bursette for now, we'll see if Ty Simpson is an Arizona Cardinal by the end of the night. But Jeremiah Love now is someone, as an outlet in the passing game, yes, you can put him in the slot, he can run routes. He turned a lot of heads, man, including mine, with that combine workout, with the ability to run routes and sink his hips and get in and out of breaks.

Speaker 2:
[87:28] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[87:29] And so I get your stance on he's a running back.

Speaker 2:
[87:33] Yeah, running backs catch the ball too.

Speaker 1:
[87:36] But Jeremiah Love averaged over 10 yards per reception at Notre Dame.

Speaker 2:
[87:40] That is a high number for him.

Speaker 1:
[87:41] And if you watch the clips that we just had of him there, the ease in which he catches the football is not normally what you see from a running back. And we watch tape all the time. He catches it with ease and transitions up field and is a difference maker with the ball in his hands space, and that provides value. And yes, you brought in Tyler Algier, who's a power back and is very used to. The interesting part of this is Algier signs up for, gets away from Bijon Robinson in Atlanta, where he was honestly, rightfully so, but overshadowed in how productive and his ability level was there with the Falcons, goes to Arizona thinking, well, he's going to be the guy as James Connors coming off of a massive injury, will come back. And they can do some rotating. But now Algiers in the same exact spot, star rookie running back comes in like Bijon did a few years ago. And he's going to be the guy, and I'm going to have to play that same role.

Speaker 2:
[88:40] Yeah. I mean, does Alvin Kamara play running back or does he play weapon? I'm confused.

Speaker 1:
[88:44] In New Orleans, he played weapon.

Speaker 2:
[88:46] Okay. I mean, I'm just saying, like the running backs line up in the slot sometimes. He's still a running back. He's just a damn good running back. That's what he is. Like you're still drafting and running. We could do all these bells and whistles about, oh, now he's a weapon. And now we feel better about taking him at three.

Speaker 1:
[89:04] Well, what number? Okay, fine. Let's do this. What number on the board was he for you?

Speaker 2:
[89:09] Oh, best player in the draft.

Speaker 1:
[89:10] So then why are you complaining if the team at number three just took him?

Speaker 2:
[89:13] I'm not complaining. I'm identifying the risk and making sure that we're talking about it and not just saying that this guy, I loved Ash Gentile last year. Ash Gentile didn't change from the player that he was before the draft to the player he was after the draft. Still that same talented running back. The problem was he went somewhere that couldn't really put him in a position to succeed. So my concern is now we have Jeremiah Love, this really talented, gifted runner receiver, all of these things. And now he's going somewhere that has a real need at right tackle. Doesn't really have the passing game, just like the Raiders last year. Doesn't have the passing game to keep people from loading up in the box. This could be a real tough year for Jeremiah Love if history tells us anything. And who was the last running back to go in the top five? Saquon Barkley, right?

Speaker 1:
[90:02] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[90:02] He was awesome for the Giants, right?

Speaker 1:
[90:04] No.

Speaker 2:
[90:04] He was awesome for the Giants. I mean, he's productive. But Giants didn't win anything.

Speaker 1:
[90:08] He wasn't awesome.

Speaker 2:
[90:08] And then he went to the Eagles. Yeah. And then he went to the Eagles, which was a much better built roster. I went to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1:
[90:15] The Eagles' Saquon looked awesome to me. The Giants' Saquon looked great in times and did some great things.

Speaker 2:
[90:21] But yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1:
[90:22] I'm making your point for you. Let me make your point for you even more. The Cardinals gave up 59 sacks last year, fifth most in the NFL. The Cardinals tackles, if you look at their run block win rate, was last in the NFL. Furthering that point, 25th in yards per rush outside the tackles last year, 4.6 yards. They need a tackle. And now they don't pick till 29, and there's speculation that they could use that pick to move up to go get Ty Simpson, if he's available in that range. And we'll see if, oh no, they're picking at 34. I'm thinking the Chiefs, they pick at 34 behind the Jets at 33 in the second round. There's speculation they're gonna trade back into the first round. And it's not gonna be for an offensive tackle. And the tackle run is gonna go earlier than that. So, they've got some answering to do in terms of the personnel up front in the offensive line. But they get an absolute superstar for whichever quarterback they insert, whether it's this year or next. The Titans pick is in. This eight-minute clock is no joke, bud. We better just...

Speaker 2:
[91:27] We had a plan. Everyone has a plan until they get punched.

Speaker 1:
[91:30] Oh!

Speaker 2:
[91:31] No way.

Speaker 1:
[91:33] I love it. I mean, I don't love the pick necessarily, but I kind of love that they...

Speaker 2:
[91:39] Who's the pick?

Speaker 1:
[91:40] Carnell Tate. I'm doing what you did last year.

Speaker 2:
[91:43] That's so... That's so bad.

Speaker 1:
[91:45] Carnell Tate, wide receiver, Ohio State, is the pick for the Tennessee Titans.

Speaker 2:
[91:51] Wow.

Speaker 1:
[91:53] Why do I, first of all, stunned by this? Stunned by this, because you know who's on the board? Arvel Reese.

Speaker 2:
[92:02] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[92:03] You know who's on the board? Sonny Styles. So, it goes to show... Remember, if you were watching this pre-show with us, I said, you've got Brian Dable, the offensive coordinator for the Titans, and you've got Robert Sala, the head coach of the Titans. And Mike Borganzi is the GM, who's got to kind of hear... I did this, it's like, if you're a fly on the wall in one of their draft meetings, just the three of them, they're talking about the situation. You got Dayball being like, we got to take Jeremiah Love if he's there, we got to take a weapon for Cam Warden. Man, I tried so hard to trade up for Cam Warden, I get an opportunity to coach Cam Warden now, let's go get this guy a weapon. We got the play caller, me. We got the, the protection's getting better, we can keep upgrading that, but let's go get a playmaker, right? And then you got Sala being like, don't you, man, we need to get Fred Warner on this defense, we gotta get Fred Warner on this defense, right? And he goes on and, or if it's not Fred Warner, let's take R. Val Reese in this situation, get an edge rusher, but we could get Sonny Styles and be our Fred Warner, let's get R. Val Reese. And Dable looks at him and is like, yo, we just got fired from both, both teams in New York market for not having offenses. Are we gonna do this again? And Borganzi is like, hey, I got this, I got this. And Borganzi's answer is Carnell Tate. Now it's intriguing, I wonder what if it would have been Jeremiah Love and my guess is, my intel is yes, it would have been. But this tells you point blank, I call this truth serum night, right? This tells you point blank, the emphasis that will be placed on surrounding Kam Ward with the weapons he needs to be successful. And it also tells you, while it's Mike Borganzi's decision, he's not gonna make a decision unless we're on board together, right? That Robert Sala has come to the understanding that in my second go around after the New York Jets failure, I have got to put better personnel on the offensive side. It's not just about my defensive side. And my defensive side we gave a lot of attention to in free agency. And we got that thing just about right, we feel like, or heading in the right direction with Jermaine Johnson, John Franklin Myers at Defensive Tackle, Jermaine Johnson at the edge, also from the Jets with Sala, Alante Taylor and Cordell Flaud at Cornerback.

Speaker 2:
[94:21] Our guy Oladejo coming back from last year was a little banged up. They like him. They think he's an up and comer.

Speaker 1:
[94:27] So now you've got Alec Io Manor, who they drafted last year in the fourth round, who we liked a lot, right? But had some catching issues, but looked better last year. They've got Shamir Dike, who was also a fourth round pick. They used two fourth rounders on WAD receivers a year ago. Dike, one of the best punt returners.

Speaker 2:
[94:46] The king of the cross route.

Speaker 1:
[94:49] Florida, man, it was just deep crossers, four three speed, catch me on the go. But he showed progress and was great in the return game last year. They've got Calvin Ridley there. They got, and they brought in Wondale Robinson as well. But now you look up and you're like, wait a second, we have Tony Pollard in the backfield, who's been over a thousand yards the last few years.

Speaker 2:
[95:10] I think four or five seasons in a row, man.

Speaker 1:
[95:13] Tajay Spears, if he can stay healthy behind him. We've got an offensive line, we've got an Austin Schlattman at center, we've got Cordell Volson we brought in, we've got JC. Latham at right tackle, we've got Dan Moore at left tackle, Peter Skoronsky at left guard. And now we've got a receiving corps that includes Carnell Tate, Wondell Robinson, Calvin Ridley, Ellick IO. Manor and Shamir Dike, and Brian Dable sitting back, because I know Brian's like, yep, we can do this now. Let's go.

Speaker 2:
[95:44] Yeah. You don't think it's a little early? Who would you take? Would you have taken Reese or Tate?

Speaker 1:
[95:50] I would have taken Arville Reese all day long.

Speaker 2:
[95:52] Yeah, I get your point about Dable being happy.

Speaker 1:
[95:55] I'm just telling you.

Speaker 2:
[95:56] Cam Ward should be happy.

Speaker 1:
[95:57] We can sit here and we could debate them.

Speaker 2:
[95:59] Right.

Speaker 1:
[96:00] What they should have taken, and I'm here for that. But I also, I think every pick reveals truths, and I want Titans fans who are watching this, to understand the truth of what's going on in my conversations with Brian, and our conversation with Mike Burgonzi. We've talked to these people who are making these decisions, who are part of this group, and we understand the why. Also with Robert Sala and the mistakes that were made his first go around, and having an understanding. Leadership is about so many things, but part of good leadership is self-evaluation and understanding of the mistakes you've made in the past, so you don't repeat them. This to me is an organization that is determined to not repeat past failures as we have with the head coach and the offensive coordinator.

Speaker 2:
[96:46] And you're letting your young quarterback who's come off a little bit of a rough start, you're letting him know we are fully invested in you, and we are going to build around you.

Speaker 1:
[96:53] 100%.

Speaker 2:
[96:54] So I get it.

Speaker 1:
[96:56] And Gunnar Helm at tight end, had a really good rookie year, is a fourth-round pick. How many fourth-round picks do they have last year, man? This is... And you know what's great, too? It is so far off of the mock draft radar and everything, you know, like...

Speaker 2:
[97:12] Right.

Speaker 1:
[97:13] Like, let's go. I'm here for all the madness. Let's get this highlighter out.

Speaker 2:
[97:18] Yep.

Speaker 1:
[97:18] But now you talk about the madness, and you talk about drama, the Giants are now on the board. The New York football Giants, as we discussed in the pre-show, traded away Dexter Lawrence. You can put up that really detailed graphic that we have breaking down the trade. The 10th overall pick for Dexter Lawrence to the Cincinnati Bengals. The beauty of that graphic is that there's literally just one thing. Because normally, it's Dexter Lawrence and a sixth for a conditional seventh, the 10th overall pick, a third in 2027. It was a simple trade that gave the Giants an opportunity to part ways with the man, let's face it, who was offered just the same amount of money but for five years as the reports that he got for the Cincinnati and $28 million for two years. He wanted out of New York. And so John Harbaugh doesn't want someone who doesn't want to be a part of that. Right.

Speaker 2:
[98:14] You can't start off like that.

Speaker 1:
[98:15] So it was not starting that way off, starting off that way. So they get two picks in the top 10. Their original five and then they pick again at 10. Here's the information I've been given, that the Giants, Jeremiah Love, would have been the pick if he's there. He goes three, the earliest he could have come off the board in all the scenarios. After that, it was Caleb Downs, and it was Jordan Tyson. And I ask you this question, does that pick at four, being a wide receiver, change things? Because there's a scenario in which you think you could possibly get Downs at five and Tyson at ten.

Speaker 2:
[98:56] Not anymore.

Speaker 1:
[98:58] Not anymore.

Speaker 2:
[98:59] Yeah, that's what you're talking about.

Speaker 1:
[98:59] Because if the Saints became a wide receiver team and they took Tate, we could still get Tyson. And maybe they liked Tate a whole lot, but there was just information about Tyson recently because Joe Shane, the general manager, was out at the workout.

Speaker 2:
[99:13] But if you make the assumption that either the Saints at eight or the Chiefs at nine are going to take a wide receiver, it's only one guy now.

Speaker 1:
[99:23] So the pick is in.

Speaker 2:
[99:25] Do we see Jordan Tyson here? That's what we're kind of getting at.

Speaker 1:
[99:30] Well, Goodell is clapping.

Speaker 2:
[99:32] He's happy. Do you think? I think it's early for Caleb Downs. I hate the pause. I've been suckered in by the pickers in again.

Speaker 1:
[99:53] Yeah, we're going to get suckered in by it all night long, but I'm going to do a better job of announcing it the second that we get it and not just celebrating without giving you what the details are. Fernando Mendoza is the number one overall pick to the Las Vegas Raiders. The Jets take David Bailey. They go, in their minds, the safer route with the proven pass rusher. Jeremiah Love is the pick for the Arizona Cardinals. The Tennessee Titans then throw us the first curve ball. There was no information that was happening. And they take, they take Carnell Tate. Arvel Reese at number five is the pick for the New York Giants. And I should have mentioned his name a minute ago because all the information was that if Reese was there and I didn't believe he would be there, that Reese would be the pick.

Speaker 2:
[100:38] And Kavon Thibodeau is on Zillow as we speak.

Speaker 1:
[100:41] Arvel Reese, our number two overall prospect in the draft. Arvel Reese in 94 grade. Arvel Reese, a man who has physical traits that are just unbelievable. And Arvel Reese, a player that we both watched on tape. And I'm curious, I'll go to you first because I've talked a lot already tonight. No surprise. What jumps out to you about Arvel Reese?

Speaker 2:
[101:02] Well, I love the upside as an edge. I love the snap in his hips and his hands when he wants to win with speed to power. And you do see him start to develop a little bit as a hand fighter and his ability to set up pass rush moves as the season progress. But still, I mean, we are just scratching the surface in terms of what he can do. And then the versatility and what that allows you to do in terms of being multiple and what it allows you to do in terms of masking blitzes and where guys are coming from and who's dropping all of that stuff. He brings so much to the table. Oh, trade. We have a trade.

Speaker 1:
[101:42] And number six.

Speaker 2:
[101:44] We said this might happen here.

Speaker 1:
[101:46] I do want to mention this about our race for all the Giants fans, right? Oh, the Chiefs.

Speaker 2:
[101:53] Who are the Chiefs trading out for? Oh, this is Tyson.

Speaker 1:
[101:57] Jordan Tyson?

Speaker 2:
[101:57] This is Tyson.

Speaker 1:
[101:58] They got nervous with Cardinal Tate going early. And if they got past five, so the Chiefs will trade.

Speaker 2:
[102:05] Well, we don't know, but that's what I think.

Speaker 1:
[102:12] I want to say this about our Arvel Reese while we're still on this pick for the Giants, because this is a massive decision. What happens in these two picks in the top 10 for the Giants is massive. They've got a guy in our Arvel Reese who, yes, can be an off-the-ball liningbacker, but let's not kid ourselves. Arvel Reese as the season went on, even Matt Patricia was like, this guy is special. He's only 241 pounds, but he's got 32.5-inch arm length. He ran a freaking 446.40 coming off the edge at the combine. He ran that. More importantly, the 10-yard split is critical for edgerushers. That's how quickly do you take off and get to your first 10 yards. Bill Polian told me going back to the days where he drafted those great edgerushers, the speed guys on the turf there inside the Colts Dome. That it was 160 is the number. I've always gone by that and I've checked it with 100 people in the league. Say, if you get 16 or faster, he ran a 158. This guy is as explosive as all get out and he is powerful when he gets into your paths. Now, he's got to learn how to counter move off the first if he gets stuck on some. There's development that has to happen. You're looking at a Giants team too. Listen, you look at that team. 327 snaps were on the defensive line last year for Reese. 286 were off ball linebacker. But we drafted Abdul Carter last year. We have K. Von Tibbito who is he going to be traded because that was all the talk last year. We've got Brian Burns. Reese is legitimately going to play a similar role, it would seem, where he's an off ball linebacker, converting back and forth and doing all those different things, right? Yeah. What do you mean?

Speaker 2:
[103:55] Yeah. I think he's going to be an edge in this scheme. I think they're going to trade K. Von Tibbito and they're going to rotate those three.

Speaker 1:
[104:01] But when he's not rotating, he can play off ball linebacker.

Speaker 2:
[104:03] Absolutely.

Speaker 1:
[104:04] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[104:04] Absolutely.

Speaker 1:
[104:05] And their run defense is absolutely atrocious. Absolutely atrocious. So and we talked about that over and over again, is the New York Giants with their run defense, they've got to get some answers. And the trading Dexter Lawrence didn't help matters. No. But they brought in Tremaine Edmonds.

Speaker 2:
[104:26] Right.

Speaker 1:
[104:26] Honestly, you know what this does for you? If you're Denard Wilson, the defensive coordinator in with John Harbaugh, this makes you so freaking multiple up front.

Speaker 2:
[104:37] Yeah. I mean, I guess, you know what? I shouldn't be so dismissive. There is a world where they keep David O.

Speaker 1:
[104:42] Of course.

Speaker 2:
[104:43] And they play Styles next to, I mean, that's man, look at that receiving. I mean, that linebacker core size, speed, versatility, all of those guys. I mean, Edmonds is an athletic freak.

Speaker 1:
[104:57] So we'll get back to the Giants at pick 10. The Kansas City Chiefs have moved up and we'll get you the trade details in just a little bit here. The Chiefs have moved up and you have to wonder who's this pick. I mean, Caleb Downs, Sonny Styles and Caleb Downs are our top two prospects on the board. The Browns receive, this is important information, the Browns receive pick 9, 74 and 148.

Speaker 2:
[105:24] Okay?

Speaker 1:
[105:25] So they get 9, 74, I'm writing it in, 74 and 148. So it wasn't, whoa! Muenchor, that's where I was gonna go. Because that's who I thought that they could take at number nine, right?

Speaker 2:
[105:41] So who, they afraid of the Saints taking him?

Speaker 1:
[105:44] Absolutely.

Speaker 2:
[105:45] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[105:45] We just did a flash mock where you were begging me to take Muenchor Delane.

Speaker 2:
[105:51] This is such a good fit for what they do.

Speaker 1:
[105:54] Well, explain to people why.

Speaker 2:
[105:56] Because, I mean, they play a high rate of man, but a high rate of man is around, I think it's like 52, 53 percent, and he's outstanding in man. I mean, he can turn and run and press. I mean, he's just, he's a really-

Speaker 1:
[106:09] Who was the comp that you gave?

Speaker 2:
[106:11] Trent McDuffie, who they just lost, who just left to sign with the, where they just traded to the Rams. I think this young man is very similar to that. And especially, I'll finish the thought, he could play man, he could turn and run and press. He does a great job of reading the quarterback and hunting the ball in zone looks. He's great at all of that stuff. But the thing that I love the most about him is the competitive nature. He's not the biggest, he's not the longest, he's not the fastest, but he is just the best corner on the field. And we talked about it, we both watched tape almost at the same time, I think in October, maybe November. And the first thing we said to each other was, he's the smartest dude on the field. Yes, he just understands the game is slow to him. He understands how offenses are trying to attack him. He understands their tendencies and he exploits them. He is a very smart, versatile, talented corner. And I said before it started, that when I thought he was going seven, I thought there were going to be teams that were, they were going to look back and wish they had taken him earlier. So I think this is a great value and it's a massive need for them. And I don't think they gave up too much looking at it. And maybe you'll feel differently looking at it later on. Right now, that doesn't feel like too much to go up and get this player.

Speaker 1:
[107:26] Well, they picked at 9-29, now it's 6-29. They started off with Mansoor Delane, who's going to replace, obviously, Trent McDuffie, who went to the Rams this offseason. He was the first team all-pro. He was the guy. His teammate, Jalen Watson, also signed with the Rams just a little bit after that. The Chiefs defense only allowed 18 passing touchdowns last season. That was tied for fourth fewest in the NFL. McDuffie was only allowed three on 378 coverage snaps and zero for Watson on 478 coverage snaps. So this is not a defense that's used to giving up touchdowns through the air. And their corners were the reason for that. Now, they made moves that made you think, well, maybe Spags will just coach them up. They're all right with their cornerbacks. They've got Kristen Fuller. They've got Noel Williams.

Speaker 2:
[108:19] They really like Noel Williams a lot.

Speaker 1:
[108:20] They like Noel Williams a lot, but this defense has got to have good corners for Spags to do the things that he does up front, right? And the aggressiveness that you've seen in Super Bowls and the playoffs and big moments, right? Who, like Spags, will dial up something that will blow your mind and blow a quarterback's mind, most importantly. But you got to have guys behind that can hold up a certain amount and do it in the right scheme and be trusted. And so there was a lot of speculation, Andy wants an offensive tackle. We've got to get a reliable weapon. This wide receiver core is a disaster to put it extremely and unreliable to put it lightly, okay? And we eventually need another tight end. We can get to that a little bit later. But there were talks about Jordan Tyson at wide receiver, Kenyon Sadiq at tight end, offensive tackle, moving up for an edge rusher. It's another need. And they will go and they turn around, they give away picks 74 and 148, which means they now only have picks 29 later this round. They don't trade back, which I'm guessing Brett Veach will try to do unless they trade up for a tackle, and pick 40, which is in the second round. Okay? So that's the outlook for the Chiefs. They got the best cornerback in this draft, and it fills that need, and they hope they pick up where they left off with Noel Williams and Delane and with Fulton at the cornerback spot. But they still need to get edge in offensive tackle, and they need wide receiver, and they need tight end as this draft progresses. Now up on the clock is the Commander, and I do want to make this point. Delane had 40 starts. He got better each and every year. 41 past defend, defended, 33 breakups, eight interceptions. He's an absolute playmaker. Now the Commanders are on the clock, and outside of Jeremiah Love, the running back from Notre Dame being on the board, this is kind of a dream scenario. Because I've thought all along, Sonny Styles is the guy that they want. But I also am looking at a Commanders team that needs a wide receiver, and Jordan Tyson is still sitting there. Although I've been told different things. I was told from someone I lean on that Carnell Tate was the wide receiver that they had above. But that doesn't preclude them from taking Jordan Tyson from Arizona State here. With all that said, the selection is in and we'll get to it. But this is an important one. I was told by a lot of people close to this deal that it had to be a defensive player for Dan Quinn. That Dan Quinn absolutely, pressure from ownership down to Adam Peters, to the head coach himself. You're the defensive guy, you got to get us better than we were last year. The rush defense ranked 30th in the NFL, 27th in yards per rush last year. It looks, well, we'll see. Sonny Styles is going to be the picket, I believe, when it comes up. Sonny Styles is the guy I've said all along, Jeremiah Love, if it's not him there, then Sonny Styles will be the, if it's not Jeremiah Love still on the board, and we knew for a while back that it wasn't going to be, that their dream situation would be Sonny Styles not going to the Titans, at four because we thought that there was, there were a lot of connections there, and falling to us here at number eight, and so Sonny Styles is the pick for the commanders at number eight, makes all the sense in the world to me.

Speaker 2:
[111:51] Rebuilding the defensive front, they will have four new starting linebackers now. They will have a new starting nose tackle. I mean, they were very aggressive in free agency, and this is kind of the crown jewel in what they're doing. Day one starter, he's going to give Quinn a ton. Again, we're talking about these players that NFL teams value because of their versatility and all of the different things they can do. And this is another guy that as good as he is, he's been this is a former safety that turned into a linebacker a couple years ago. He's still getting better. And that's scary. It's scary that he's still getting better. And that he has this incredible toolbox of natural gifts that he can tap into.

Speaker 1:
[112:38] I think Sonny Styles is one of the three best football players in this draft. I think Sonny Styles, then you see him at the combine and what he did with 11-2 broad jump, that lower body explosion, which was absolutely 100th percentile, best in the last three years. Vertical jump, 43 inches, best in the last three years. I think it might have been a 43.5-inch vertical, I should say. 10-yard split, I told you how great that 10-yard split was for an edgerusher and Arvel Reese. Well, he came in at a couple inches taller, an inch and a half taller and how many pounds heavier? It was three pounds heavier, 244 pounds and ran a 1.56 in his 10-yard split. He ran a 4.46 in his 40-yard dash. This guy is not from this earth from a testing athleticism standpoint and he's going to keep getting better and better. And Dan Quinn needs this guy. I told you about their run defense.

Speaker 2:
[113:37] He should be giddy tonight.

Speaker 1:
[113:39] They also, here's an important number you need to know. They allowed 11.1 yards per reception to running backs and tight ends a year ago did the Washington commanders. That was the most allowed per reception to running backs and tight ends in the entire league last year. Sonny Styles immediately erases that problem with his coverage skills and his athleticism. And they brought in Leo Chanel. And they're actually great complements to one another. Right?

Speaker 2:
[114:08] I like that.

Speaker 1:
[114:09] So third overall player on my board fits exactly what Dan Quinn needs. It's a perfect complement to what they have. And now I think Washington will shift the focus when they come back on the board. Unfortunately, for Commanders fans, not till pick 71 unless there's a trade that changes that. They have six picks in the draft. They don't have a second rounder. So we'll see you in round three. But this is an awesome start for the Commanders. Now let's look at the best available. Right? And this is where the draft starts to get interesting. And things are going to start to fly. And I'm here for all of it. New Orleans Saints are on the board. We've heard a lot about the Saints. There was talk about them moving up. Not the case. They're staying home. I think that's the smart decision too. They pick at 8 and 42 and 73. They've got some holes to fill. Cornerback is one of them. Wide receiver with Tyler Shuck is one of them. Edge rusher is one of them. Then there are what I would call secondary needs beyond that. So let's look at our board. There's not a corner or wide receiver edge at number one. But there's a safety in Caleb Downs who I don't think is going to be the pick here at number eight. There's an offensive tackle in Francis Maui Noah. I don't think he's going to be the pick here this week. Although, talking to Mickey Lume is so drafted.

Speaker 4:
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Speaker 1:
[117:18] First round offensive tackle every year if you could. Yeah. Jeff Ireland, we'll balance that thing out. This is the guy that's fascinating to me and I get it. New Orleans with the injury issues, do you want to bring him down there? Is that the best place for him? But with Chris Olave and his injury issues and the ability to stay healthy. And with Devon Ville, the former Broncos wide receiver as literally their second best receiver and only had 25 catches last year. Can you imagine you have a second year quarterback who showed this much promise and you're looking at a roster, if you're Mickey Lewis and Jeff Ireland, and you're saying to yourself, our number two receiver at the moment behind our number one receiver in Chris Olave who has had a massive struggle, it feels like every break that could go wrong for Chris Olave, who's a great human being on top of a great football player, has gone wrong. But our number two target for Tyler Schuck that showed all that promise last year is a guy who has 25 catches and 293 receiving yards a year ago. I mean, it's scary. And Olave is an unrestricted free agent after this upcoming season. So wide receiver, if it's not Jordan Tyson here, then yeah, you pick again at 42 and there are receivers in the second round, the usual suspects.

Speaker 2:
[118:43] I don't think it's out of the question they take two.

Speaker 1:
[118:45] I don't think it's out of the question they take two either here, Steve, unless there's an edge rusher that's staring you in the face or a cornerback. We're going to see a cornerback run early in the second round. And there are still good edge rushers to be had, I think, later second round or maybe early third at 73. But you can't count on it. But at the end of the day, what's more important than getting a playmaker? For Kellen Moore in this offense, Doug Nussmeyer, interestingly enough, his son is being drafted into the National Football League probably tomorrow night, worst case, early Saturday, and he has been relieved of his duties on draft weekend. Did you know that? No. I heard that yesterday, or I heard that on Tuesday, Monday or Tuesday.

Speaker 2:
[119:26] That's interesting.

Speaker 1:
[119:27] Yeah, for to be with his son.

Speaker 2:
[119:29] Oh, you made it sound like a dude with fire.

Speaker 1:
[119:32] Relieved of his duties inside the draft room this weekend. Go be with your son. It's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

Speaker 2:
[119:39] Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 1:
[119:39] Former NFL quarterback Doug Nussmeyer.

Speaker 2:
[119:42] You couldn't have put that worse.

Speaker 1:
[119:46] I thought you maybe heard the news.

Speaker 2:
[119:47] Relieved of his duties.

Speaker 1:
[119:49] I thought maybe you heard the news.

Speaker 2:
[119:50] I don't know. Yeah, you want to go hang out with your kid? You're fired.

Speaker 1:
[119:55] Yeah, no, I think it's beautiful that he goes with the family.

Speaker 4:
[119:59] They gave him the weekend off is maybe how you say it.

Speaker 1:
[120:01] They gave him the weekend off.

Speaker 4:
[120:02] Go hang out with your son.

Speaker 1:
[120:03] Relieved of his duties inside the draft room. I think they'll be fine with Mickey Loomis and Jeff Ireland and Kellan Moore and the gang. So the pick here at eight, I'm going to be shocked if it's not wide receiver and it could be Mackay Lemon, but you would think it would be Jordan Tyson with this pick. And the pick is in. It looks like it's coming in. We'll get the music. It's got to happen next year, I'm told next year. We got to wait. We're not a red tape group, you and I, but you know, there's procedures and organizations. The pick is in.

Speaker 4:
[120:44] If it's not Jordan Tyson, it's going to be Ruben Bain because we said there wasn't a good fit for them.

Speaker 1:
[120:50] Someone told me it's not a good fit for them. I understand where the concept was. My guess is it's got to be the wide receiver here. Tyler Shuck, one of our favorites last year, my absolute dude, man. We had him on this. He's the only player we interviewed the entire draft process last year. It's because I sought him out at the combine after the Senior Bowl and after watching his tape and then learning of his story. There it is. Jordan Tyson. So now Tyler Shuck after the wonderful end to his college story that took seven years and four different stops, comes to New Orleans, not the starter to start the year, but now in the second year after taking over the starting drop gets this guy. I want you to watch that balance along the sideline. I want you to watch how he separates and the late pluck that he does as a receiver. He is not great after the catch. You can see a little bit of a Titanic there. He is changing directions and yes, they will give him the ball in the reverse and stuff, but honestly, he reminds me so much of Stefan Diggs, but taller. His ability, he is 6'2, right? He is a 6'2 wide receiver who you watch and you are like, this guy is 5'11, right? The way he moves, the, the, you know? And I am sure my mic is driving Tucker crazy right now. But he has the ability to separate and get open unlike any other wide receiver in this class. And that thing, that's a thing of beauty. Most people you talk to in the league says, Jordan Tyson is the best wide receiver in this class. Talent-wise, I don't disagree. The rub is this. Jordan Tyson missed one out of every three football games during his four-year career in college. It started at Colorado, right? And he, in the first year, did really good things as a freshman, but he has a bad knee tear. ACL, MCL, PCL. Misses most of the next season, which transfers to Arizona State. Plays like three or four games that last, that last, that 2023 season. 2024, he's back to full strength. Has a monster season. Will Levis is dealing the ball to him with Scadaboo in the background, right? Or the backfield. And they, they're rolling so good, they get it to the college football playoff. But he suffers then a collarbone break. Broken collarbone, he misses the college football playoff. Devastating, but he comes back. And he plays this last season. And Will Levis isn't the same. And the team's not the same. And he gets a hamstring injury. And you think, well, he's probably just shutting it down at the end of the year. But then he doesn't work out at the combine. Then he doesn't work out at the pro day. And so finally, on April 17th, six days ago, he had to put on a little bit of a display. Twenty-eight routes he ran catching the football for general manager scouts and NFL personnel that all came back to Arizona State after the pro day earlier, a few weeks earlier, where he couldn't work out and got to watch him run 28 routes and catch the ball. Looks good. Great. All right. Back up to where he should be. There was talk about the Giants maybe taking him as high as five. Joe Shane, the general manager from the Giants, was there. Wasn't a lot of discussion about the Saints taking him, although we got out. They like him, but they also like some other players. We'll see what happens. Here he becomes the pick for the New Orleans Saints at number eight overall. I think it's an awesome pick for them because of what we just talked about with their wide receiver lack of production and talent in that group.

Speaker 4:
[124:21] Who was his wide receiver coach at Arizona State? Hines Ward.

Speaker 1:
[124:24] Great point.

Speaker 4:
[124:25] This kid is NFL ready. Again, this is another player that should hit the ground running. The only concern you have is the durability. He cleaned up the ball skills, caught the ball better last year. The toughness thing, I guess some people don't love the toughness. We've gone over this.

Speaker 1:
[124:39] After the catch, people say, I don't have the toughness. Well, if you're playing for the Rams, you better be strong through contact. That means strong through the catch point, meaning you better catch that ball, even defenders coming in, whatever it is, break a tackle and go. For other systems, it's about separating, getting open. That's a system here with the ball and more, where it's about get open, right? And so this is a perfect fit. You're not going to see him after the catch breaking a lot. In fact, on tape it a lot. I saw an oncoming defender. Let's catch it. Let's get eight yards. Let's go down and protect myself. I've had five injuries, it feels like, over the four years. Sidelines is best friend. Let's pick up 12 and get out of bounds. And guess what? The Saints are going to be just fine with that because we need you healthy and on the field because it's been a real problem with our wide receivers. Tyler Shuck needs dudes to throw to, and he just got the most talented dude in this draft class to throw to. And if you're Shuck, you've got to be thrilled with this bit.

Speaker 4:
[125:38] Yeah, and you hope they're not done, to be honest with you. They still have more work to do there.

Speaker 1:
[125:41] So the Cleveland Browns who just traded back a few spots.

Speaker 4:
[125:45] They have all the offensive tackles are still left. They trade back and they can pick whatever offensive tackle they want.

Speaker 1:
[125:50] Andrew Berry, for all the talk about Flying Jays and the ownership and the analytics and all that, Andrew Berry, one of the great things that this man does is maneuver inside of the draft and move around. We saw him exploit last year Travis Hunter coming up at number two. They moved back. They get additional picks. They got an additional pick in this draft from the Jaguars, which will come a little bit later in this draft. They thought it was going to be earlier. They didn't think the Jags were going to want to go in the playoffs, but they pick it 24 later. And the pick is in and here for the Cleveland Browns is Francis Maui Noa.

Speaker 4:
[126:28] Right? Yeah. You think that's who they're going to take?

Speaker 1:
[126:30] Oh, I thought I just saw that. No. Oh, I just pre-announced it. I pre-announced it. I saw Maui Noa.

Speaker 4:
[126:39] How did you? Obviously, obviously something's a little fishy right now. Schrags is not.

Speaker 1:
[126:44] Spencer Fano.

Speaker 4:
[126:46] Spencer Fano.

Speaker 1:
[126:49] Spencer Fano is the pick. Our first blunder on Netflix and live. First blunder on Netflix, but I saw that this is good. It's good. It's a good thing. He's a better fit. Listen, the Cleveland Browns needed a left tackle.

Speaker 4:
[127:05] Yep.

Speaker 1:
[127:05] And I want to get your assessment, because you're my offensive line guy. I want to get your assessment on Spencer Fano. Is this going to be a situation where they move him back to freshman year, where he started 12 games at left tackle, or are they going to maneuver in their offensive line? But first, I want to hear this from you.

Speaker 4:
[127:22] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[127:23] The only thing anyone knows in the world who's not a lunatic like us and watches, the Spencer Fano guy is a really great athlete, played at Utah, but he's got short arms. Talk to me about this.

Speaker 4:
[127:35] Well, if you've watched our show, you know that last year I gave Will Campbell a very hard time about his short arms.

Speaker 1:
[127:41] And Elliot Wolfe, the Executive Vice President of the New England Patriots, three questions in the New England interview, a lot of problems.

Speaker 4:
[127:47] I felt like three was early. Was it three or four? But it was early.

Speaker 1:
[127:51] Go.

Speaker 4:
[127:52] So Fano's arms are a full half inch shorter than Campbell's are. And I'm not gonna lie, it shows up on tape. Take a look at this clip right here. This is what can happen when he goes up against a talented edge rusher like David Bailey and his technique isn't sound. If you look closely, you can see this feet are too close together and he loses his power base. Bailey is able to push him upfield and redirect inside. Here's a play where Fano's lack of length shows up on tape. You can see clearly here that David Bailey is able to get into his pads with superior length and Fano's feet get a little too close together right here. Now if you play it a little bit longer, you'll see Bailey's got him right there. Fano's too low with his hands, they're too far outside. He's in a position now where his feet are crossing over. He's not in a position where he can sink, anchor and change directions. Bailey pushes him upfield, works inside for the win. I mean look, obviously David Bailey is a very talented pass rusher that went number two overall tonight. And all we heard about was how Bailey just got after those Utah offensive tackles. But here's why that I think that Fano can overcome the arm-life. Why I like him a little bit more than Will Campbell and why maybe the Bailey stuff was a little overrated. Take a look at this clip. Here you see him explode out of his pass rush. Meet Bailey at the top of his set. Bailey cannot get around the corner. When you watch the tight copy, you're going to see why. Watch how he works his hands inside against the guy who's got longer arms. Fano gets his hands inside of Bailey and locks on his frame. There's nowhere for Bailey to go because Fano is now in complete control. So obviously, I think for the Browns, he's going to kick. And I've said this all along. Outside of the length, he does not have the traditional length that you're looking for in a left tackle. But outside of the length, this guy's got the athletic profile of a left tackle. And he played there as a freshman. He'll move from right tackle where he played the last two years over to left tackle. And as I'm watching this, and it's not... We have a trade. Well, hold on. We have a trade.

Speaker 1:
[129:52] The pick is in first.

Speaker 4:
[129:54] I jumped ahead.

Speaker 1:
[129:55] You took 45 minutes on Fano, and I'm glad you did.

Speaker 4:
[129:57] I love Fano.

Speaker 1:
[129:58] It was an awesome breakdown.

Speaker 4:
[129:59] Do we see a trade here?

Speaker 1:
[130:00] I thought we saw a trade. Number 10, I was clairvoyant. The Giants, and this one is not a surprise. The Giants had picked 10, take Francis Maui-Noa, offensive tackle.

Speaker 4:
[130:13] Ah, I missed it. Who?

Speaker 1:
[130:15] Offensive tackle from Miami. Big physical right tackle, and this guy is a difference maker. And honestly, I kind of love this pick, not only from a value standpoint. Weedum is the number one offensive tackle on our, well, I did. You had Fano as your number one offensive tackle. But very close range.

Speaker 4:
[130:32] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[130:33] They belong where they're getting drafted. Much more importantly, I just love, when watching Maui-Noa on tape, this guy is a human being mover, but it's not as if you-

Speaker 4:
[130:45] I love that.

Speaker 1:
[130:45] Everyone sees his big frame, right? And they think like, oh, he's just a right tackle, a career right tackle at Miami, which is true, but that he's not a good athlete. I would disagree. At 6'5 and a half, 329 pounds, I think he moves pretty well, man. Now, there's a lot going on in this draft, and these eight minutes with trades is awesome. I can only imagine sitting on that desk and having eight seconds to speak on it. My mind is spinning. It's great. But Maui-Noa now with Arvel Reese. Arvel Reese gives you one of the most versatile defensive fronts in the league, Sons defensive tackles. They've got to get that fixed and pick 35. They can do that. Then they come back and they say, hey, yes, we need weapons for Jackson Dart. Malik neighbors might not be 100 percent at the very start of the season, but we got neighbors, we got some guys to work with, and there's some wide receivers to get later in this draft. But at this 10th pick, John Harbaugh is going to make damn sure we are a physical punch you in the mouth group. And now I've got Andrew Thomas at left tackle, John Runyon at left guard, John Michael Schmitz at center. I've got Francis Maui-Noa either at starting right tackle or right guard, however it plays out. And I've got the guy I just re-signed in Jermaine Alouminor at right tackle or right guard. And that is a front to be messed with. I've got Kam Scadaboo coming back from injury, and I've got Tyrone Tracy, and I've got Jackson Dart, and I'll get Malik Neighbors, and I've got Darius Slayton, and Darnell Mooney I just brought in. We need weapons. We're not there yet. And I think they could use another running back to be quite honest because I don't trust that Scadaboo, as great as he is when healthy, can stay healthy with that run style in this league. But you just got a guy that's going to move some things up front. And this offensive line, really in my opinion, it needed to be finally. I swear to you, since we started this job, it feels like we've been talking about the Jets and the Giants needing to finally finish off their offensive lines. And I feel like the Giants might have done it in this era.

Speaker 4:
[133:01] I don't disagree. And I love the value here. I mean, Maui Noa may have fallen a little bit because there were reports of a back issue where he might have to get some surgery to clean it up. But it doesn't look like it's going to be a long-term, serious issue.

Speaker 1:
[133:12] And we should say. And I wanted to give Maui Noa the respect that he deserves in the Giants to pick 10. But interestingly enough, staying in this division, right, the Cowboys trade up just one spot, which tells you, well, they're picking at 12. And I don't think Miami was going to take the player they want necessarily, but they could have. And let's throw up if we have the best available board, Tucker, when you have a chance. The Cowboys, we have heard a lot about them not wanting to be on the outside looking in. And those people that were going to be considered on the inside as they were sitting on the outside in terms of what they wanted. From my intel was, Arvel Reese was one of them if they were able to trade way up, which didn't occur and I didn't expect it to occur. The next trade up possibility would have been at six. That didn't happen. We saw a trade six to nine. That was the Chiefs moving up to get their guy. And then, now we see at 11, obviously, the Giants aren't trading with the Cowboys. So this is the next time that they can move up, and they do it at 11 to make sure no one behind them moved up. And what we've got available is I'm looking at the board with Jeremiah Love and Arvel Reese, who we said is a perfect fit. Sonny Styles was the next guy on that list in terms of what they wanted with that defense. I've talked a lot about Christian Parker, right? The new defensive coordinator, he needs parts that fit his scheme. And his scheme relies on one portion of it is he needs athleticism and difference makers at that. Think, by the way, came from the Eagles, okay? Nicoby Dean, they drafted where they drafted him. They just last year drafted the Alabama linebacker, Jahad Campbell. They have an emphasis on front seven guys to begin with, but that linebacker position is important. So in that same mindset, this is where he comes with Fangio, from Fangio. He's like 34, 37 years old. He's a pup, but he knows defense. He's like one of the young defensive genius, like the minds, right? And he needs a guy who's going to be that, like the difference maker in the middle of the field and can cover and can run and chase. Just like, and also what was important when you look back at Philly? That safety position, right? Yep. That safety position was hugely important. And they're worried to death that best available, that Miami team's dangerous, but more importantly, there's some teams behind that could come up and get a Caleb Downs, if that's the pick. It also could be Ruben Bain. And look at the edge rushers that Howie Roseman drafted for Vic Fangio and the coordinator before him. So they are coming-

Speaker 4:
[135:52] Do you remember what one scout told us about Ruben Bain at the Senior Bowl?

Speaker 1:
[135:56] Tell me.

Speaker 4:
[135:56] He's Brandon Graham. Oh. Remember that?

Speaker 1:
[135:59] That's a brilliant, brilliant recall.

Speaker 4:
[136:01] He's Brandon Graham. That's what you could- you may not get an elite guy, but you are gonna get a Brandon Graham. I mean, that's pretty damn good.

Speaker 1:
[136:10] And from next gen stats, from 2021 to 24 with Micah Parsons, the Cowboys had the best pass rush win rate in the NFL, beating 49% of their pass blocks within two and a half seconds. They traded Parsons to the Packers in August. Their pass rush win rate this past season fell to 40%. Down to 90%. I mean, that's one player, right? So that, to me, is a huge part of it. But also that safety position for the Philadelphia Eagles is critical. So are we getting our Mason Graham? Or are we getting, honestly, what we all agree is one of the five best football players in this draft. And you look at this Dallas Cowboys defense, we talked on the phone two nights ago before I did the mock draft. I said, what do they need? They need safety and they need another edge. Right? Because we're looking at Rashawn Gary, they brought in, and Otito Obanye. But they don't really have the guy as a pass rusher. But they also have Jalen Thompson, who's just meh, and Malik Hooker, who's just meh, safety. They need a difference maker.

Speaker 4:
[137:21] And how do they use them? How are they going to use Caleb Downs?

Speaker 1:
[137:23] And Caleb Downs is the pick for the Dallas Cowboys. They weren't, they weren't risky. I said, they're, they haven't traded up going back to 2014 in the first three rounds. And we just, I didn't believe that they were going to make a big move, but watch out for the little ones, so they're not without a chair when the music ends.

Speaker 4:
[137:40] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[137:41] They made the little one to make sure that nobody else came up and got their guy. And by doing so, they get the player that we believe on our board was the number five overall prospect in the entire draft, despite not having even worry length or combine numbers, despite not running a 40 ever.

Speaker 4:
[138:00] Yeah. You worried about that?

Speaker 1:
[138:02] I'm absolutely not for half of a second worried about that because I think this is one of the smartest football players I've ever watched on tape. I watched last year, Muench, and I know you did too. Eight guys get drafted from the Ohio State's defense, and he was two steps ahead on many, if not, the majority of play actions, misdirection. He was always two steps ahead of these guys, it felt like. And then this year, we got all these players we're talking about, from R. Vel Reese to Sonny Styles to... And who again?

Speaker 4:
[138:36] Who's the alpha?

Speaker 1:
[138:37] Who is the alpha dog? This guy is the alpha, and you know what he does? Do you know what this defense was missing? This defense was... The communication breakdowns and the running back safety production was gross. It was gross a year ago. It's part of the reason why they brought in a coordinator in Christian Parker, who won't put up with this. And now they bring in an extension of Parker on the field and Caleb Downs. So I promise you, I look at all these veterans, I see how...

Speaker 4:
[139:04] Parker's gonna have a plan for him.

Speaker 1:
[139:06] I was like, you got as a rookie, he was a rookie last year, you got Shamar James, 25 pick, Demarion Overshaw, you got Quinnen Williams, an old dog up front. I promise you, Rashaun Gary's seen some more, he looked like he was 35 when he was still at Michigan.

Speaker 4:
[139:21] It's true.

Speaker 1:
[139:22] Downs is gonna be the leader for nothing else the secondary year one and very, very, very soon the leader of this defense.

Speaker 4:
[139:30] We're talking about in Downs, a player who was the first, I think about the players that went to Alabama. He's the first true freshman to lead that program in tackles. I mean, he was unbelievable at Alabama and then just a monster get when he transferred to Ohio State. Unbelievable player and if he's so damn slow, how can he return a punt for a touchdown? I just, he's just, and I know this is cheesy and it's cliche and I understand that and on some level feels a little lazy, but he's just a freaking good football player. I mean, it's hard to say anything else about him. He's going to do all of the right things. He's going to get your teammates, he's going to get his teammates lined up. He's going to set up a certain bar of accountability that guys are going to have to play to. They're going to have to play to a certain standard. And to get that in a rookie is really difficult to do, but this is one of those players that has the intangible profile to actually be able to do it.

Speaker 1:
[140:25] And he played 2,489 snaps. If there's ever a guy who comes out as an underclassman that's more ready in two different towns, Tuscaloosa and Columbus, and with 3 different coordinators, starting with Nick Saban as the head man there, and then the past 2 years, 2 different coordinators finishing with Matt Patricia, who's one of the great NFL defensive minds who was in college last year, so.

Speaker 4:
[141:00] I think they're going to play him in the nickel lot. I think they're going to play him close to the line of scrimmage. I think he's going to be an immediate difference maker.

Speaker 1:
[141:07] I think this is the guy that's going to be the face of that defense. And now all of a sudden, the Cowboys trade up to 11 to take the pick from the Dolphins off their hands and give them additional compensation. They flip-flop, and the Dolphins pick Kaden Proctor.

Speaker 4:
[141:20] Okay. Okay.

Speaker 1:
[141:23] We told you, John Eric Sullivan, new GM with Jeff Haffley, who's like, I'm thrilled for Jeff Haffley. And that he, leaving Boston College to defensive coordinator, Green Bay, to the head job, which he has been destined for, I promise you, it's been about a decade that I've been talking to people in the league and in college football, like this guy's gonna be a head coach somewhere in the league at one point. And he got there through a couple, a couple few stops. And they recognize John Eric Sullivan, most importantly, in this scenario. We have got a whole bunch of picks. And I don't know, I shared this earlier. I don't know if I've ever entered a draft looking at a roster outside of expansion, our first year doing it, that needed more than this Miami Dolphins team. And it's by design, by the way. It's by design. They got rid of a lot of really good players, obviously. They wind up, two is out of town. Tyreek's gone. Jalen Waddle's gone. Minka Fitzpatrick gone. Bradley Chubb gone. The list goes on. Jack Jones, Rasul Douglas, Ashton Davis, Darren Waller, Cole Strange, gone. Let's start over. Miami has 11 picks in this draft, and they just got an additional one, I believe. We'll work out all the trade compensation in a little bit. This is the first pick of the John Eric Sullivan regime, C. Tate, K. Proctor, who is a guy. I mean, watch him. They handed him the ball. They threw him a screen at one point. He had that big, long touchdown against... It felt like a long touchdown catch, and that screen that they threw out to the left sideline against Georgia, but it was like 11, 12 yards. He's 390 pounds, Steve, in season, and he gets down to the 350s. He weighed into the combine at 352, I believe, was the number. When this guy is right and he's felt, which he looks like right now in his suit, by his standards, he's an awesome talent, but his tape isn't exceptional.

Speaker 4:
[143:27] Yeah, I mean, his tape's not exceptional. I don't mind the pick here because you are betting on the trades and I get that. The tape is real up and down. Not only, I've been pretty critical of the past pro, and he has a tendency to get his feet too close. He's a little bit of a heel clicker, and what I mean by that is the feet come too close together. He can overextend, he can overset, he gets beat to the inside. That's really what happens a lot when you're doing those kinds of things. So there's past pro issues, but he also overextends in the run game. And I just want to see a player, maybe I'm being hard on him. When it's a player that has that much talent, you're a little harder on them. Because God, he should be so dominant.

Speaker 1:
[144:06] Okay, I'm gonna cut you off. I'm gonna cut you off. And we will get back to them. They've got a bunch of pictures up. The Rams I've been talking about a lot. I put my onions on the table, the chopping block. And I've told you that dating back to November, I got information that the Rams like Ty Simpson. I told you wouldn't rule out that they're gonna move up and go get Jeremiah Love, the running back from Notre Dame. I wouldn't be shocked by that. It's kind of this all or nothing 2027 movement that they've made. They brought in the two corners from Kansas City. Less need though, I told you, recent information I've gotten, I've started putting some football sense to it, is they're doing a lot of work late on these wide receivers in the second round. Everyone in the world in this industry, including myself, for a long time had, oh, it's the third wide receiver. Just as stated, it's gonna be Carnell Tate, it's gonna be Jordan Tyson, and then it's gonna be M. Lemon. Putting them at 13 to the Rams is a perfect fit. And by the way, he's a great scheme fit. Run after catch, physicality, toughness. I told you all week long for the last, I don't know, 10 days, it's gonna be anybody but a wide receiver at pick 13. They're doing work on the second round guys. Jeremy Bernard, Deshaun Striblinger, the two names you remember for Friday night. I said if it's not move up for Jeremiah Love, I think there's a legitimate chance they take Ty Simpson. Well, now we'll find out. Because I know everything's about this year, this upcoming year, 2026. Yeah. Nothing's about this. Matthew Stafford's coming back. We're working on a two year deal. We're going to keep him happy. We will get that taken care of. But I've known Les for a long time. I have purposely not called, just be honest, transparent. I've purposely not called Les because I didn't want to put him in a spot where I've gone solely off of information I had from the fall where I know that there were conversations and his appreciation of Ty Simpson. I know how great of a scheme fit Ty Simpson is. I'm not Orlovsky high on Ty Simpson where I think he's better than Mendoza, but through nine games, my tape analysis was it was very clear Ty Simpson's the best quarterback and above Mendoza in college football right now as it pertains to the NFL Draft Room. So here we are with everything being about 2026, sorry, 2026 for the Rams. And Ty Simpson is sitting there in the green room in Pittsburgh. Surprised a lot of people that he was going to go.

Speaker 4:
[146:44] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[146:46] I have not wavered. I've had mock 5.0, 5.1, flash mock today. I won't move off of it here. And I'm about to look like a jerk if it's not the pick. And that's fine. But this is an opportunity to set up your organization if you're less need for beyond Matthew Stafford. And by the way, quarterbacks get injured. And how great would it be to have a good backup? Although, are you going to make a Super Bowl run and win the Super Bowl with a rookie quarterback? History says no. Dan Marino made it there if something were to happen. I'm just saying, through the lens of less need in this organization, they have a history of being like, F them picks. We went all in on this. But if you're in love with this guy, a quarterback, how do you balance all that?

Speaker 4:
[147:36] Well, McVeigh and Snead aren't going anywhere. This is, the Simpsons the pick. Like, they better not be going anywhere. Because if you take Ty Simpson here-

Speaker 1:
[147:45] But I was told by people that this could be the last year.

Speaker 4:
[147:48] That's what I mean, man. Like, Sean McVeigh better not be leaving the building if you just took a quarterback that you need to develop who has 15 starts. This says to me that those two are in it for the long haul.

Speaker 1:
[148:00] If they take Ty Simpson.

Speaker 4:
[148:02] Yes, if they do.

Speaker 1:
[148:03] Take Ty Simpson.

Speaker 4:
[148:04] That's the only thing that makes sense to me, is that they actually are pushing for it. That they think that Ty Simpson could be a great quarterback and they're excited about the opportunity to help them develop.

Speaker 1:
[148:13] And they believe they can get their wide receiver in the second round, which I absolutely agree with that. Dejan Stribbling from Ole Miss, Jeremy Bernard. So who else is on the, I mean, let's look at the board right now. Caleb Downs just came off the board, right? So and the offensive tackles, offensive tackle was a position we were talking about, right? We were talking about that.

Speaker 4:
[148:36] They could take a right tackle. I don't think they need to. I don't think they will.

Speaker 1:
[148:39] And three offensive tackles just came off the board, Spencer Fano and Francis Mauigoa and Kaden Proctor. We told you this tackle run is going to happen fast. And I bet you behind the Rams at 13, there's going to start to be some movement. We'll get Baltimore 14, Buccaneers 15, Jets 16 as teams that could trade. And the Lions could be one of those teams trying to trade up because everyone knows they have a target on the back for the offensive tackle position, okay? So it comes down to this. Are they trying to get better, the Rams for this year, or are they trying to get the quarterback of their future because they see in him what I've seen in him, or Lofsky saw in him, Chase Daniel saw in him, some other people who have done this, because everyone in the league either we don't need it, or 15 starts, or he's too small, he got injured, all those things. But I've been telling you there's a team or two that's been quiet, and I've heard recently the Vikings keep an eye on it. You pointed out... I'm nervous. You were never nervous.

Speaker 4:
[149:41] This is great. Wow. Congratulations, man. Like you called it.

Speaker 1:
[149:51] I'm pumped for him, man.

Speaker 4:
[149:52] Good for him. This is the best spot he could have gone.

Speaker 1:
[149:55] You talk about betting on yourself if you're Ty Simpson. Take a look at Ty Simpson here. I just I loved his tape. The suddenness, the urgency. You won't see the pre snap stuff here that he does at an NFL level already. The ability to throw and to extend and create. It's not just the on schedule, on platform stuff. It's moving off of it. Watch the quick trigger in the release, the accuracy, the touch and the tempo he has throwing the football. Ty Simpson, I told you, I told you Muench when watching his tape. And I was a little bit insufferable about Ty Simpson. I'll admit when I'm too much sometimes. I admitted that there were some negatives and we'll get to it in a second. But what I saw in Ty Simpson was a young man. And he's a young man only by football experience starting. 15 starts, I couldn't believe six games in, I'm watching his tape and in my notes, I kept on writing six starts question mark. Like how am I watching this? Then I come to find out his dad is a 20 year head coach at UT Martin. So he's had ball in his blood, not dissimilar from Garrett Nussmeyer, who we talked about earlier, the offensive coordinator with the New Orleans Saints. And Garrett will hear his name called hopefully tomorrow. Ty Simpson pre-snap. Let me just walk you through it, right? Pre-snap, you got a motion and he with Ryan Grubb, the offensive coordinator who was in Seattle as an NFL offensive coordinator. They're doing NFL things. It's IDing man zone. That's not like the highest complexity. But what they're doing off of that, and it's like the fast motions and he's getting up to the line. He's understanding where his protection is going. He's understanding what his read is. And he's understanding not just man, but what the shift did to the defense, and then what his read is after. Ball snap. It's, I'm telling you what less Snead saw as an extension of Sean McVeigh, most importantly in this equation, is a guy who's actually capable. And this is remarkable, folks. 15 starts in college who's actually capable of coming in and being our backup to Matthew Stafford as we try to go make a run at the Super Bowl. And this is the same Sean McVeigh, I want to remind everyone, that said I don't want to be a mentor, I want a relationship in the quarterback room that's a partnership. So Jerry Goff, who is the number one overall pick, I believe number one, right?

Speaker 4:
[152:21] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[152:21] They trade him away to Detroit for Matthew Stafford, and they go on and win a Super Bowl. And Jerry Goff's had great success in Detroit. But he sees in Ty Simpson something that's even different than Jerry Goff. And you say, well, he's shorter. He doesn't, maybe doesn't have as big an arm, although I'd argue that he does. He sees a young man who can throw with anticipation, who has all the answers and in his offense, can actually decipher things on the level of an NFL veteran. I don't know that I've ever seen it before. Where a quarterback six games into a college season is, I haven't seen this advanced understanding of pre-snap, post-snap and all the scheduling that goes into it. After six games is running this thing the way I saw Joe Burrow after a couple years in Columbus and then down in Baton Rouge finally get it to that point in 2019 when they went on that undefeated run. He was doing it at that level. However, what happens is, and you say, well, why wasn't, why weren't we talking, I thought of Dante Moore versus him. We would have been if it was nine games in the season, then that was it. And if we didn't have history that said fewer than 20 starts in a first round pick, it's almost always a bust and it's ugly. But then you look at some of the other things on the field and like, well, why did his play tail off? Well, his play tailed off because of a few things. One is they had, they ran, they were 125th. Bear Bryant would be throwing up in his grave and we learned that Alabama was 125th in the FBS in rushing. So all of it was on him at the quarterback position in the passing game. Then you get to the fact that Brent Venables comes to town in late October, I think it was, early November, right about the time it started to decline. And he started to do things with their pass protection that was already kind of up and down that created a blueprint for this is how you get to tie. And tie's mobile. Don't get it twisted. Tie's twitchy and mobile and he can take off and run and do some things. He's not elite level. He's not Lamar. He's not Josh Allen. But he can move around, but not with that kind of pass rush, you know, the Swiss cheese it turned into. And then you got the fact that the wide receiver, Ryan Williams, who was 1A and 1B with Jeremiah Smith, coming in recruiting and had an awesome freshman year, fell off the face of the earth, was not to be found. You get to then 190 pounds because gastritis, because your body is taking all this beating and the Rose Bowl, you add those things up and it's like, yeah, I get why it happened. But now the Rams have identified a quarterback in Ty Simpson that a few of us were like, wait, why, hello, this guy here, 15, he's awesome. He was better than Mendoza for two months of the season. Why is no one talking about 15? And we were laughed and we were ridiculed to the point where Orlovsky and I are now texting each other words. It's like a self-help group that we're in. And it's good to see that Sean McVeigh, who's one of the best in the business, and Les Snead, one of the best in the business, saw the same thing in Ty. And it's why Ty decided to leave early. And it's why Ty was here tonight. Because he knew that there was at least a small group out there that had the same belief in him that he has in himself. And I think this is the perfect... I said to you when he came out, I said, I wish he came back for another year. 15 starts never works, and I'm scared for him. But my gosh, if he could just land with McVeigh and the Rams, this would be the perfect spot for him to have great success in the NFL. And I think he now becomes the heir apparent to Matthew Stafford and is on track for just that.

Speaker 4:
[156:03] Yeah, let's stay positive. I think there were some real questions about the pick. But he's a... All of that aside, everything you just said is true. Best landing spot for him. It's got a chance to really unlock all of his ability. He is a pro-ready quarterback. He did a lot of awesome things for nine games. Let's leave it there. Sean McVay better not be leaving the building. When you make that pick, you better have some kind of confidence because no one in the league is better than developing a quarterback than he is.

Speaker 1:
[156:34] I'm pumped now.

Speaker 4:
[156:35] Or getting the most out of a quarterback.

Speaker 1:
[156:36] I love it.

Speaker 4:
[156:36] It's pretty cool. Yeah. And congrats to Ty Simpson. You're right. Betting on yourself. Congrats to him.

Speaker 1:
[156:45] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[156:45] And, and, you know what, I gotta say this though.

Speaker 1:
[156:49] What?

Speaker 4:
[156:49] You're the snaps guy. You're my snaps guy.

Speaker 1:
[156:52] I know.

Speaker 4:
[156:52] You gotta have so many snaps. And he just doesn't have the snaps.

Speaker 1:
[156:55] Every once in a while you see something special in someone and you're willing to take a chance.

Speaker 4:
[156:59] I get it.

Speaker 1:
[157:00] And I see something special in Ty Simpson that very few people did. And it, and it, and it aided me throughout this draft process.

Speaker 4:
[157:08] Listen, far be it from me, I mean, one thing to question you, and I wouldn't do that, I would disagree with you, but I wouldn't question you. But like, Shawn McVeigh knows what he's doing. Les Snead knows what he's doing. And they obviously see something.

Speaker 1:
[157:19] Yeah. And, and the thing that he needs to now is time to learn behind a pro, even though he's so developed for his stage at 15 stars. Now he's got an opportunity to have S. Simpson to learn behind one of the great all time pros, a Hall of Famer, and to watch this process and how it works. So that unlike Jared Goff coming in right away and having to be like, Yeah, Sean, I got it, McVeigh, Mr. McVeigh. Okay, explain that again. He can kind of sit back a little bit and learn how this relationship works, this back and forth in this, and I think that's going to be really important for him.

Speaker 4:
[157:55] I think it's also worth mentioning just because of the pick. What's the dynamic here with the front office, the head coach and the reigning MVP and how he felt about this pick? And maybe he's good with it. Maybe Matthew Safford's like, man, you guys already built me a great roster.

Speaker 1:
[158:14] You know what?

Speaker 4:
[158:15] But the dynamic there is interesting to me and I'd like to be a part of the wall.

Speaker 1:
[158:19] Nobody talked about it this week and I didn't even bring it up to you because honestly, I was doing this. Knocking on wood. I had a sense when I saw the report from whomever it was, Brier or Schefter or Schrager, I got a sense that all of a sudden, there's this report that the talks are really going well. There's going to be, Matthew's happy with the way things are going. I was like, they're letting him know that that could be a problem. If they're going to pull the trigger on Ty, they're letting him know and they're making sure.

Speaker 4:
[158:55] I'm sure they let him know.

Speaker 1:
[158:56] No, I know they let him know, but they're not only letting him know with words, say, we might take Ty Simpson if he's available at 13. They're letting him know by putting more into his pocket that's already full with the same thing, and that's a lot of money he's made over his NFL career. I'm saying, the security of it, we're going to take care of you. Not that he needs more money, but we don't work for free. So I got that sense that they're in communication. Yeah, I wouldn't even call, I wouldn't even text, because I just didn't, I didn't want to know. I didn't want, I know I wouldn't have found out. I'm saying I didn't even want to like, it was, I just like.

Speaker 4:
[159:41] This is, by the way, this is starting to sound like you're overselling it, that you didn't call him, and like that you had this pick. I could tell you.

Speaker 1:
[159:48] Oh no, no, I swear.

Speaker 4:
[159:49] I could tell you, I know. I'm sharing this. He did not. This is not some kind of like misdirection here. This is the truth. He did not talk to us.

Speaker 1:
[159:59] No, I told you, the last, yeah. It's been, yeah, I'll leave it at that. I don't want to say anything more than that. I, yes, I promise you, I did not speak, and I purposely did not reach check in. Hey, you know, I purposely didn't, because I had a feeling that this could happen, and then I was pumped to see it. I'm pumped to see it for Ty Simpson. First and foremost, because I just think, I think this guy is, you got to understand, Ty Simpson spent four years in Tuscaloosa. He was going, and that was the big thing. Well, great, he's going up against Nick Saban Defenses. Like, how prepared is he for the NFL? But he wasn't a starter, you know? And he didn't beat out Jalen Milrow, are you kidding? Well, Jalen Milrow was the second round pick. Jalen Milrow was not a good passer, but he was a phenomenal athlete, and he was drafted in the second round by a pretty smart guy out in Seattle who just won a Super Bowl. Like, John Schneider knows what he's doing, and he's got a plan, how he's going to utilize it, and it didn't come to fruition fully as a rookie, but there's developmental qualities there that's intriguing. And so for Alabama, that made sense at the time, and he gutted it out and he waited for his turn. And when he got his turn, he was awesome for nine weeks, and then he had some moments thereafter, but he wasn't fully healthy.

Speaker 4:
[161:12] I feel like you're baiting me.

Speaker 1:
[161:14] For what?

Speaker 4:
[161:15] I mean, it sounds a lot like Mac Jones, just saying. And I like Tyson's tape a lot, a lot more than Mac Jones. A lot more than Mac Jones.

Speaker 1:
[161:25] Don't I get a minute in the sun?

Speaker 4:
[161:27] I was trying to do it.

Speaker 1:
[161:28] I mean, I'm literally the only human being on the face of the earth who put Tyson's.

Speaker 4:
[161:33] You're in a little bit of a mock run, by the way.

Speaker 1:
[161:35] I don't even know, I don't care. All I'm saying is the only person in the world, I even checked Africa and East Asia and like in Europe, parts of Europe, no one in the world had Ty Simpson 13 to the LA Rams.

Speaker 4:
[161:50] You know better. You know that I was gonna be like, get that.

Speaker 1:
[161:52] And now you're talking to me about Mac Jones. Can you just give me a half hour in the sun?

Speaker 4:
[161:57] I tried. I tried.

Speaker 1:
[161:59] The picks in for the Buccaneers.

Speaker 4:
[162:01] We missed the Ravens. We didn't even talk about the Ravens.

Speaker 1:
[162:03] Oh, we didn't even talk about the Ravens. That's fine. Ruben Bain is the pick. And I love this pick for the Bucs. We'll get back to the Ravens in a second. Sorry, Baltimore fans, you got Kuiper, you can tell, Baltimore. Watch Bain coming off the edge. Yes, he's got the short arms. We'll get into it in a minute. My gosh, this guy was an absolute terror. He was the most dominant defensive player in all of college football this past year. His toughness, his power, his ability to swipe, to rip, to club, like it's remarkable. And in the college football playoff, he took it up even another level. I remember watching that Notre Dame tape this year and calling you, or we were on the show, whatever it was, communicating with you, Steve, saying, this guy is different this year. Because we saw last year when he wasn't healthy. He had the injury. And his freshman year, he showed a lot of flashes. But he came back a man possessed this year. And yes, he's shorter than the ideal, and he's got those short arms, and no one with his arm length. Just like Ty Simpson, we got a couple of guys that might have to just go prove everyone wrong. From Simpson's 15 starts to the sub-31-inch arms for Ruben Bain. Bain is the first guy in 20 years as an edge rusher with sub-31-inch arm length from here to there to get drafted in the first round. And he'll have to go on to be the first in 20 plus years to get double-digit sacks as an edge rusher in the NFL with from there to there, sub-31 inches. Watch that tape and tell me with his get-off and his power and his advanced use of his upper body and with the bend that he has for his powerful frame and his finishing nastiness and viciousness. You're telling me this guy isn't going to succeed in the NFL. And now he lands in a spot with Tampa Bay where they need desperately edge rushers.

Speaker 4:
[163:48] It's one thing to have that kind of motor, the kind of motor he has when you're at Tennessee and you're playing 25 snaps a game. And I'm over exaggerating, obviously. This guy plays a ton of snaps. And the consistency, that alone is a feat. To play at that level for that many snaps, for that long of a college football season, because remember Miami went to the National Championship, is one of the best things about his game. The power, the tenacity, the violence, all of that's great. But the way this kid plays, snap in, snap out is just so impressive to me. And for Tampa, you're sitting there, most mocks had Akeem Mesidor, Ruben Bain Jr. is running me at Miami going there, and Akeem Mesidor is going to be a very good NFL player. But wow, Tampa, Ruben Bain Jr. falls to you, you feel a massive need, you get a great value. What a night.

Speaker 1:
[164:43] Everyone had mocked that it was going to be, and I did two in 4.0, I think I did a trade in the last one, it doesn't matter now, but that it was Mesidor, the other one. And there were some people in the league, I promise you, there were some people in the league I talked to, even this past week, who were like, Mesidor is the better pass rusher, we would take Mesidor, and that's cool too, Mesidor is an awesome player, and we'll get to him in a little bit when he gets drafted. But the thing with this is, I don't think there was a, I want to remind you what I said early in this show, and we talked about in the pre-draft show here on Netflix, and we appreciate everyone who's watching.

Speaker 4:
[165:20] Yes, thank you.

Speaker 1:
[165:20] And we will get, this thing is moving so fast, we'll get to the chat, but we appreciate everyone who's on the chat, tell them it's a...

Speaker 4:
[165:27] Discourse.

Speaker 1:
[165:27] Discourse. Discourse.

Speaker 4:
[165:30] Oh man.

Speaker 1:
[165:30] We suck as hosts. But we're having a...

Speaker 4:
[165:34] Discourse.

Speaker 1:
[165:34] Discourse. Thank you for everyone being on there, we'll jump in in a little bit. I'm sure ATB and everyone's got it going, Haas and the gang. But I said early on, this is the range where teams are getting calls. And the Jets were getting calls about pick 16, and it looks like their pick is in and they haven't traded. And the Bucs were getting picks, I'm talking like incessantly picks, about teams trying to trade up for offensive tackle. But I don't think that there was a chance in hell in their minds that Ruben Bain was going to fall 15. So that's a huge get for the Tampa Bay Bucs. I know my son Tate's watching, he's a huge Bucs fan, and I'm sure he's thrilled with that. But the other part is Venga Ioane, who you and I both thought, man, he's the best offensive lineman in this entire draft. He goes 14 in a non-surprising move to the Baltimore Ravens. We don't have to spend a ton of time on it because we talked about it the entire draft process. They got rid, they didn't get rid of, they had to allow for financial purposes their center to go. He winds up with the Raiders, and Tyler Lindenbaum, who we absolutely loved coming out of the draft, and he wound up being great with the Ravens. And so now they bring in Ioane to help bolster that interior offensive line. But another pick is in. And this is pick 16 with the New York Jets, and this is, it makes a lot of sense to me. It's Kenyon Sadiq to the New York Jets, the only first round tight end in this class. Tell them what you got on Sadiq, for starters.

Speaker 4:
[167:07] There are people that didn't love Sadiq and thought there were some drops and some issues. And if you look at the stats, I think he had something like 9 or 11 drops this year. But when you dig into the tape, it's not as big of an issue as you think. I mean, this is a guy that makes some really tough athletic catches, maybe some focus issues that he's got to clean up. More than anything, speed. I mean, this guy was blazing fast at the combine. You can use him out of the slot. You can attach him out of inline and let him run routes that way. He is an absolute, what they call, matchup nightmare for defenses. Can move around the formation, which allows you to create favorable matchups. And one of the things I really like about him, he's not an overly big dude, but the way he's built both mentally and physically, he can block, man. I mean, he's a tough, tough dude who will, he's not afraid to stick his face in the fan as a blocker. He will get overpowered at times, but the effort in the, I actually think the technique is pretty good too, are both there for him to be an effective move blocker and a competitive inline blocker. I love everything about this player. I think this is a really good spot for him. I thought he was in the same category as Colson Loveland, who went to the Bears last year, and Tyler Warren, who went to the Coles and both had fantastic rookie seasons. And if you're a Jets fan, you're thinking like, the thought process might be here, might be wide receiver, but you start to look at now as a pass catcher, and you're getting an absolute weapon in Kenyon Sadiq, who's going to be a real, he's going to be a great security blanket, I think, for Geno Smith. And then when you bring in your quarterback next year, what a weapon you're going to have built in for him.

Speaker 1:
[168:43] So we're 16 picks into this draft, right? And honestly, everyone off the board is who we basically thought could come off the board in terms of like the draft. Right now, still available for us is 14 McKay-Lemon wide receiver USC, 15 on the corner of our board, Dillon Thieneman for the safety from Oregon. Akeem Mesidor, the other Miami edge rusher, still on the board. He's our 17th overall player. Then you get down to kind of that next tier, man, with the Keldrick Fox and the Denzel Bostons and a couple of those second tier offensive tackles like the Blake Millers and the Monroe Freeling. I honestly feel like we could take a little bit of a breath for the first time in, oh my gosh. It started two hours, no, an hour and 46 minutes ago.

Speaker 4:
[169:36] Everyone's got a plan, man.

Speaker 1:
[169:37] Oh, until you get punched in the mouth. This is like the best beating I've ever gotten, though. This has been awesome. Not as many trades as kind of thought early on, right? We had the flip, we had nine up to six with the Kansas City Chiefs. Flip flop, kind of not flip flopping, but like moving up just slightly with Cleveland. We even wanted to move back as we expected to get an offensive tackle at a better value. Then you had the flip flop at 11 and 12 with Miami and Dallas. Miami gets the player they would have gotten anyway, and they get an additional pick. We'll look into the details of that in a little bit. But they also, with Dallas, they wanted to make sure no team behind them, maybe, I don't know. I don't know who they were worried about, to be honest, but they were, I'm sure, Minnesota at 18. Teams were starting to sneak around the chicken coop. Was it Dallas at 20? No, no, no. I'm saying Dallas was there. 18 was Minnesota. Oh, sorry, Carolina at 19. Those are the safety teams that we thought. And as you look at our board there, 14, 15, 17 are available, and we're picked 17. So there's only two players on our board that are not off the board that we have rated higher than the pick that is currently up with the Detroit Lions. I said this in all my conversations, the most consistent thing I heard from GMs, from GMs to executives or directors to scouts who are on the road, man, the Detroit Lions are really wearing out these offensive tackles. So let's look at this tackle board. They must really, here's what I have thought all along, it would be Caden Proctor or Blake Miller.

Speaker 4:
[171:24] Right.

Speaker 1:
[171:24] Proctor's gone. Dan Campbell, grit. You've got Blake Miller whose tape is really good. It's not exceptional. He's just steady. 54 consecutive starts, set a career start record, consecutive records for Clemson football, right? They've had a couple good players over the years. His testing was outstanding. He's got the long arms like some of these other guys don't. Maybe some position flex. I think he's a right tackle. But Detroit has position flex. Now, on the flip side, as I knock my mic over, Tucker's going to beat me when this show's over. Discord is where the chat is. You can get in on that. I know a lot of you people are fans of Tucker, and this is an opportunity to beat me up some more and decide with Tucker. On the flip side, you got Monroe Freeling, who is arguably the most physically gifted, but only 18 starts at Georgia. And so we're about to find out, but this is a huge pick for the Detroit Lions. This is a huge pick.

Speaker 4:
[172:28] I hope it's Blake Miller. I think he fits everything they want to do. The only downside, a K. Proctor might have been a better pick because that lets you leave Penne Sewell at right tackle. But I mean, Penne Sewell could probably have tackled. He's just fine.

Speaker 1:
[172:41] The Lions, here's the thing that's important. The Lions pass block win rate was second worst in the NFL last year. Do you know that of the starting quarter, I'm going to bring up Mac Jones. The only Mac Jones was worse in this department. Pressure versus non-

Speaker 4:
[172:56] It's a Mac Jones draft.

Speaker 1:
[172:57] Pressure versus non-pressure QBR last year. So of the legitimate starting quarterbacks in the league, the guys who are in year in, year out, the starters that are on higher to elite level, the guy who is affected most by pressure with his QBR in the league in terms of pressure is Jerry Goff. And so we've got to bring in a guy that's going to help stabilize this off the line. And there he is. I love this pick.

Speaker 4:
[173:29] It's such a good fit.

Speaker 1:
[173:31] Blake Miller, offensive tackle from Clemson. Because Freeling was enticing. He was that candy in the corner. He was like, you know, I'm not going to stay out of trouble with analogies on Netflix this weekend. He was an enticing tackle because of the traits. But Blake Miller, it's not like you're getting bad traits here, man. Blake Miller, to me, like when you look at him, I didn't see quite the athlete.

Speaker 4:
[173:59] No, he's not.

Speaker 1:
[174:00] On tape. And I'll let you get to the tape because you kind of contradicted me on Blake Miller. Blake Miller was my guy from early on. And I love his toughness. I love his physicality. I give a shout to Kevin Kelly, who's honestly, throughout my years at the Senior Bowl, and meeting people, has always been there talking to me about all prospects. He was with the Chargers and rose up to one of the highest ranking positions underneath the General Manager, Director of Personnel. And he always would find me enough, not find me, he would always come to me and be like, hey, watch that offensive one from like Central Michigan. And he turned out to be, or it would be one year it would be Cole Strange, and next year it would be one of the Central Michigan guys, and then next year it would be Cody Mogg. You know, like, he always had an eye for it. He was adamant. He's like, Todd, I'm telling you, and this is after I already had liked him, but he's like, I'm telling you, this guy, every day, he is the leader of this entire football team. The character is like, off the charts is a cliche. The character is different than I've ever been around. He is a guy who's going to be consistent. And we talked to so many people in the league about how important that offensive line room is. Plus, he's 6'6 and 3 quarters, folks. He's one of the only guys at the combine at the first round offensive tackles with plus, you know, 34 plus arm length in inches. He had 32 vertical, 32 reps with those long arms on the bench, which is awesome. The 504, oh my gosh, we've got a surprise. Caleb Banks, Caleb Banks is the pick. It looks like for the Vikings, we will confirm that in a second. Holy smokes, it's confirmed. All right, give me 20 seconds for Lyons fans. 20 seconds on Blake Miller.

Speaker 4:
[175:46] Love the fit. He's an absolute glass eater. He's a bully. I thought he needs to clean some things up in pass protection. And the way he tested at the combine makes me think that he can do that. When you see the length, you see the way he moved there. I am having a hard time focusing.

Speaker 1:
[176:02] For everybody else, the Ty Simpson pick was the shock.

Speaker 4:
[176:06] This is stunning.

Speaker 1:
[176:07] For us, this is the shock. Caleb Banks, we saw him at the senior bowl. He was back in form when he wanted to be. This guy is, I promise you, I watched him in 2024 tape. I am like, he has a chance to be top 10. If he can get his pad level down, get more consistent, then he comes back this year and has the foot injury. He only plays a handful of snaps early in the season, sits it out. Then there is all these stories about, he could have come back, he decides not to come back. He then comes back to play a little bit towards the end of the year, only because people in his circle are like, your draft stock is falling. He does that and he's kind of waffling there. He gets to senior ball. He's awesome one day because he kind of got pissed off at some things that happened.

Speaker 4:
[176:52] Terrible mouth.

Speaker 1:
[176:54] He has the worst mouth of any human being I've ever been around, but what does that matter? It doesn't matter a bit.

Speaker 4:
[176:58] It does not matter.

Speaker 1:
[177:00] But he's one of those guys, man. When he's going and something has lit a fire under him, he's going to be one of the top 15 most talented interior defensive linemen maybe in the league. I'm not joking. But then on top of the up and down and the injury, then at the combine, he starts out, has an awesome start to the combine, runs what he runs, like a 5.02 or whatever it was. But we find out after the fact, we thought the reports were something was going on with his cleat, and he decided to stop after his first 40. And the initial reaction was like, yeah, of course he did. He's worked out really well, and that's Caleb. He's going to, you know, he's going to...

Speaker 4:
[177:42] 504 at 327 pounds.

Speaker 1:
[177:44] A 504 at 327 pounds is absolutely insane. And the rest of his work were like, there were jumps, right? Like 30...

Speaker 4:
[177:52] 32 inch vertical, if that says.

Speaker 1:
[177:54] 32 inch vertical was like best, his best or second best in class for the Interior Defense of linemen. And he's, again, I'm talking against guys who were like 290, 300, 310 pounds. So you got all of that factored in. But you find out it's not that his cleat was bothering him or that he just shut it down because he worked out well. This guy, Caleb Banks, he had a broken bone in his foot that happened the night before, and he still did all that stuff. The problem, though, with that, it would be a cute story. Oh, no, who cares? It's just a broken bone in his foot. He'll heal up. He'll be ready. And he will. But the problem is when you are a 327-pound monster of a man, and you're 6'6 in the quarter with 35-inch arms, and you run the way he does and move the way he does, and you're requiring that much from your body, the feet take a pounding. And history tells you, this is going to be a problem that may cost him multiple games a year. But then I look at the situation he's drafted into, and Minnesota's like, man, we got a damn good football team. And I put in my mock draft, I believe, I think I had Peter Woods going there.

Speaker 4:
[179:10] You did.

Speaker 1:
[179:11] I had Peter Woods going there because my intel was, they're taking a defensive tackle, an interior defensive lineman with the first pick. I was right on that.

Speaker 4:
[179:19] That is a scheme fit for Woods. This is the perfect dude for Brian Flores' system.

Speaker 1:
[179:24] And so I'm looking at Minnesota and they lost, they got rid of Javon Hargraves with the Packers, Jonathan Allen, who's with the Bengals, and no longer on the team. Their run defense needed an upgrade. Last year, they were 21st in the NFL in yards per game, rush yards per game allowed. So Flores gets an interior defensive lineman that can change the whole deal for them up front if he's healthy, and it was a risk they were willing to make.

Speaker 4:
[179:52] He could play the nose tackle, he could play four eye in that scheme, he can, I mean, I want to just go back to this really quickly, because I think he only played four games. Every, all the tape that we've had, again, limited sample size because of the injuries, the tape is silly. I mean, he's throwing guys around, even with the high pad level, which again, is a thing, which will probably get more exposed at the NFL level, and you'd like to see him clean it up, but he's also 6'6, he's gonna play high. He's just so powerful that it doesn't matter, and he's so long that like, it's just hard to get into his pads and take advantage of that high leverage. He, if he hits, this seems like a reach right now, I think, to some people. And the reality is, it's the classic low floor, high ceiling prospect. If he hits, he is a steal, a steal at pick 18.

Speaker 1:
[180:46] And I feel like, I feel like you're, you're sitting there and you're like, yeah, why not?

Speaker 4:
[180:51] I kind of love it.

Speaker 1:
[180:52] And Flaurs is like, yeah, I can, we will get the most out of this guy and we'll figure out a load management scenario for him. And if you can promise me that we have him ready for a playoff run, like, yeah, I'm excited to see him in that defense, man. I am excited to see him in Brian Flaurs defense. And now that opens up Minnesota, Minnesota's got other needs. They have a safety need, they have a wide receiver need that I believe, but they can address that in the second round. They pick it at 49, 82 and 97. So they got three picks on day two of the draft. But now we've got Monroe Freeling, is he the selection here? Is that what just happened?

Speaker 4:
[181:35] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[181:36] All right. So Monroe Freeling is coming off the board now. And he's going to...

Speaker 4:
[181:42] Carolina Panthers.

Speaker 1:
[181:43] No, the Eagles is exactly what we thought. I think that's the exact player I gave the Eagles. They traded with the Cowboys?

Speaker 4:
[181:49] They went to the Panthers. Carolina Panthers got Monroe Freeling.

Speaker 1:
[181:51] Oh, I was wrong about that.

Speaker 4:
[181:53] Then the Eagles traded up to 20.

Speaker 1:
[181:55] I gave Freeling to the Eagles.

Speaker 4:
[181:57] Eagles and Dallas doing business?

Speaker 1:
[181:59] That's surprising in and of itself, but not the first time it's happened. So, the Monroe Freeling one is fascinating because of the situation in Carolina. Dylan Thieneman was the guy I was told that they could take. I don't know if they thought that Monroe Freeling was still going to be available there. But when you look at what, with Icky Iquanu, who was injured. The former first round draft pick in 2022 is injured. They bring in Rashid Walker. Is that really going to be the guy? But also Taylor Moten is, I don't think they, offensive line is clearly a big need. And it's a short term patchwork thing, but also a long term. And so they can develop Monroe Freeling with a young quarterback in Bryce Young, who was just three years ago drafted in the first round and showed, has had ups and downs, but showed a lot of promise. I thought he looked really good in that playoff loss, to be honest with you. Yeah. And so we're putting an emphasis, Dan Morgan is on, we got to protect that investment. We got the wide receiver form last year in Teterolo McMillian, McMillan who was the offensive rookie of the year. I still think Titan is a need, but there were 28 of them at the combine, folks, 28. Only one's going in the first and Eli Stowers is likely to go on the second. I'm worried about knee injury stuff I've heard recently. But after that, you've got a whole bunch of guys in the late third to the seventh round, probably 25 of them that could be drafted. So they'll get that need a little bit later. Now the Eagles move up, and this is fascinating. The Eagles will move up to 20 in their division. In their division. With a division foe who, by the way, they franchise-tagged and got them to sign it in pickings today, but have a wide receiver need. And they got the Cowboys to trade that 20th pick. Dallas wanted to move back so badly that they even let Howie Roseman come up and take their pick and also do it for a wide receiver. Lemon, who we, for a long time, everyone thought top 15. The, listen, the workout wasn't awesome, but it's not terrible. He ran off, what, a 4.5 to 4.5.2 at USC. The interviews weren't awesome, and it was more than just like the podium stuff. But this guy is one of my favorite wide receivers in this draft, because, and honestly, I've been pumping this guy up all year long, because I think he plays the game with a level of toughness and competitiveness and, and like NFL caliber physicality that it's hard to find from a college wide receiver. And he's not that big, M. Lemon isn't, and he's not that fast, as I already mentioned it. But when you look at M. Lemon, what he does is he creates after the catch, with contact balance, with route running, getting open. Everything he does, he corners on a rail. There's like a weird thing about his body control when watching him. It's not the ch-ch-ch-ch, and it's not the fshh, but it's like this fshh, and everything's, he's just so under control in everything he does. And that's why I think it's gonna be a huge success. And we knew it was important for Howie with AJ. Brown. Let's just call him a patriot, please, can we? Can we stop the charades? So AJ. Brown's going to New England after June 1st, officially. And now they need another wide receiver. And things have just not been good for Philadelphia this offseason. It wasn't good for Philadelphia during the season on the offensive side of the ball. There's been turnover at offensive coordinator. AJ. Brown wanted out for honestly. You can call him a diva. You can call him this, that, and the other thing. You can cite all the keys to these. This AJ. Brown like didn't trust his quarterback anymore, man. And if you don't trust the guy who's feeding you, then you don't want to be with the guy who's feeding you. And so it's time to move on. And so they're going to let that happen. And now they've got to get it. They've got to reshape the identity of this Eagles offense. And this is the best, the best thing that they could do at this point in this draft of trying to take it to this new direction, right? No.

Speaker 4:
[186:16] McKay Lemon is going to be a great player. I think he's a great value here. But if I had Howie here sitting next to us, and I could ask him, I'm going to say to him, how are we building this receiving corps? We got the Slim Reaper, who weighs about 170 pounds, soaking wet. Awesome receiver, but not much size. You got Hollywood Brown, another small receiver. And you bring in McKay Lemon, who's another small receiver. So who's the big guy on the outside who's going to win for you with a quarterback that isn't the most accurate at times? And I think Jalen Hurts gets too much criticism, but let's be honest about it. Who's your 50-50 guy? That Johnny Wilson? Is Johnny Wilson going to take the next step this year and he's going to go and he's going to be that player? I just don't know. That's what I would ask Howie is. I like the player. I like the value. And I think he's going to be very good in the NFL. I want to be clear about that. Great to get McKay Lemon at 20. But Denzel Boston from Washington, if I'm building my roster and I'm looking at value, I'm taking Denzel Boston. And by the way, a lot of McKay Lemon people have been coming at me on X. And all of a sudden he goes pick 20. So apparently the market for McKay Lemon wasn't quite as high as everyone was saying at one point in this process.

Speaker 1:
[187:34] Good. Get it off your chest, Steve.

Speaker 4:
[187:36] Yeah, I feel good about that.

Speaker 1:
[187:38] Can I ask you this question? You're the offensive line guy, right?

Speaker 4:
[187:44] Yep.

Speaker 1:
[187:45] Everyone's off the board except Iheanachor and Lomu for the tackles that we believe in. And obviously the guard, Venga Ioane, from Penn State was gone at 14 to Baltimore. Are you out, if Howie, we can call Howie tonight. Do you want to ask? We can. We can be like, yo, Howie. I'm not sure he's picking up the call. We know the answer to this. The answer is they just didn't view, and a lot of teams were Iheanachor and Lomu were the two kind of lagging behind the other five. Five, right? And so we'll see, I believe, Iheanachor from Arizona State and Lomu from Utah, drafted later in the first. But the proof is in, they didn't take one, but that was all the belief, was they were going to trade up for an offensive tackle, and now they trade up for a wide receiver. But would you, in your mind, you're not as high as M. Lemon. Would you have taken Iheanachor here, or Lomu here?

Speaker 4:
[188:45] I like Iheanachor here, I don't like Lomu as much, because I think they would need a right tackle, and Lomu is kind of, I think he's really a left tackle.

Speaker 1:
[188:51] Iheanachor would be a fascinating one behind Lane Johnson, as Lane Johnson's coming towards you.

Speaker 4:
[188:55] They must feel better about Lane Johnson within the building.

Speaker 1:
[188:59] That's my point there.

Speaker 4:
[189:00] So this pick tells me that they feel pretty good about Lane Johnson and where he's at. So if that's the case, then I understand them going in a different direction. I just don't understand that specific player for building a receiving corps and building that roster. You're losing a big guy in AJ Brown. Not a super tall dude, but a thicker, more physical receiver. And I know Lemon's a physical guy, but it's a different thing.

Speaker 1:
[189:32] Yeah, it's a surprising pick. But it makes sense to me because I had Lemon.

Speaker 4:
[189:36] He's great value there. It's not the player. It's there again.

Speaker 1:
[189:40] They need a receiver. He's the 14th player on the board. And I know you and I fought about that. And that's as far as I could drop him down without being sick.

Speaker 4:
[189:49] But it's picked 20 and Denzel Boston's picked. He's the 20th player on your board.

Speaker 1:
[189:54] No, I understand that. That's a good point. All right. Steelers are on the clock. Steelers are another team offensive tackle. Is it Iheanachor here? Is it Cade LeBlanc? I would see Iheanachor as a positive. And they just got the news as well.

Speaker 4:
[190:10] That there was a setback.

Speaker 1:
[190:11] With neck injury.

Speaker 4:
[190:13] Yeah, Broderick Jones.

Speaker 1:
[190:14] Broderick Jones. So that would seem to accentuate this need. There was talk with no Aaron Rodgers. I never believed it for a sec. There's talk that Carson Beck could go. That's how the crazy things get. And watch, it will be the pick right here. But I know that...

Speaker 4:
[190:30] It gets wild if Carson Beck goes here.

Speaker 1:
[190:32] I know that there's information that they... Carson Beck is one of the guys. I think that they would... Yeah, Max Iheanachor. That's going to be the pick for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Our good friend, Nick, who's our camera man, who travels to the Senior Bowl with us.

Speaker 4:
[190:56] We just saw earlier this week.

Speaker 1:
[190:57] Who just saw earlier this week. Yeah, when we were with David Chang, taping the David Chang Show.

Speaker 4:
[191:02] That was, turn around, there's Nick.

Speaker 1:
[191:03] Check that out on Monday, folks, when that comes out. Me and Muench, me not identifying the proper cuts of steak and Muench not being able to take chopsticks and remove M&Ms. But our guy Nick, who's one of our, I mean, this type family that we've got here, Nick and Jake are two of the best and Jake and Nick, as Nick reminded us, is one of the people who allowed us to get on the David Chang Show and help facilitate that. But he's there in the room with Max Iheanachor right now, is a cameraman working for ESPN right now. And you know where he was with us, at the Senior Bowl, getting tape that you're about to watch right now of Max Iheanachor, where he had a monster week and really solidified himself, in my opinion, as a first round pick match.

Speaker 4:
[191:53] Yeah, listen, you know how I feel about this player. I think he's, you know, the knock is that because of his background that he'd start playing football until later on in life, compared to a lot of these guys. And I think I'll let you tell the story so well that if you want to tell it, I'll let you.

Speaker 1:
[192:08] I'll let you tell you in a minute, but keep going.

Speaker 4:
[192:09] But the tape, he is not as raw as people might think on the tape. There's things, there's things he's got to clean up. And like all these other guys, we're talking about a guy who's come a long way in a short period of time. He's a physical gifted player. I think when you watch the Texas Tech Tape, the, you know, those edges gave Utah all kinds, all kinds of problems. Watch the Texas Tech Tape and you're going to be pretty impressed with this kid. I think he's a great value there. And I think now what's interesting is the left right thing. He's a right tackle. Can he play on the left side? That's something that I'm sure that they've investigated. They're comfortable with what the plan is going to be. So whichever way that's going to go, they're going to they're going to handle that. But great value, great pick, fills a monster need for them. I love it all around.

Speaker 1:
[192:57] This is one of the coolest stories that I can remember. And every year there's a few of them. So I don't want to put it, we're not ranking the stories. But this young man comes over with his family from Nigeria at the age of 13, M. Iheanachor does, right? And he comes over and he's a kid, right? He's a big soccer player. And over in Africa, soccer's massive. And he's a basketball player. And that's a huge sport over in Africa and growing, right? But he comes to America and playing football, just the other football, not the American football. And then he grows to be so big. What's his, what is his dynamic, his measureable? It's like 6'6, over 300 pounds. And he's growing into this monster of a man. And he's playing on the AAU circuit. And he's really good at basketball. The coach basically turns to one day and is like, man, like you're really good at basketball. We love having you on the team, but your frame's starting to look like that of an offensive lineman. I think you should play football. And he had never played American football before. Like not dissimilar from Zeke Ansa, who came over from Africa. And I've heard stories of him then have been like put on his shoulder pads and teaching him how to like get suited up. So he had never really, he had never played. And so he winds up going to East LA Community College through this AAU basketball coach. And he starts playing football and he's fumbling around. Lack of a better term, he's not very good at first. Who would be, right?

Speaker 4:
[194:28] A deer on ice.

Speaker 1:
[194:29] Yeah, exactly. A deer on ice. Well put, Muench. But he gets a look from this Fresno State offensive line coach named Saga Tuateli. And the Fresno State offensive line coach is like, I see something there. I want you to come to Fresno State and play. Well, it feels like moments later, the Fresno State coach Tuateli gets hired by Kenny Dillingham to go to Arizona State. And so one of the first things that Tuateli does when he gets to Arizona State is like, Kenny, I got this guy, I know he really doesn't know how to play ball yet. I like him, let's bring him in. Kenny's like, yeah, sure, let's do it. So he goes to Arizona State. They're supposed to sit him. He's not supposed to play. He's a project, long-term. And he comes in and all of a sudden, they got all of these, it's a mass, it's like a triage center, their offensive line. They've got to play him. Wins up starting six games in 2023. Didn't go well, but got better, right?

Speaker 4:
[195:25] Baptism by fire.

Speaker 1:
[195:26] Got better. And so in the second year, he starts playing pretty well to the point where I get scouts like, this guy Iheanachor. I'm like, what's his name? Ahenachor? And I promise you, none of the scouts pronounce it, right? Still. But we're all like, and I'm now in Washington, this guy can move, he's huge, right? He worked so hard and had to overcome all of this. And the embarrassment of not knowing how to play. And then the embarrassment of getting thrown in at the FBS level in the Big 12 and not playing well. And then just grinded through and through. And he's one of like the coolest, nicest, most compassionate dudes to the point where, I was just talking to Fabiannis, Executive Director of the Senior Bowl last week. He said, you know what? The coaches and the players, no, the players and the scouts voted for off, vote for position player of the week. And they voted for Iheanachor. And he go, and when they told him that, it's a huge honor when the scouts, everyone, the personnel people and your teammates are saying, you're the best player on the offensive line unit of the entire week of the Senior Bowl. And he turns to Drew Fabianich and says, oh, I was really hoping it would go to slaughter the Florida offensive line. I thought he was gonna be the guy. And he's like, that kind of encapsulizes who he is as a human being.

Speaker 4:
[196:42] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[196:43] But he on the field, he's a nasty son of a gun and he's getting better and better. And so now he comes into the league, 13 years old from Nigeria, had never known a bit about football. East LA Community College, I didn't know existed with a football program. To Fresno State, oh, that doesn't work out. To Arizona State, getting your butt kicked. And now all of a sudden, he's a first round draft choice in 2026 into the National Football League.

Speaker 4:
[197:09] Congratulations.

Speaker 1:
[197:09] It's awesome, right? And he can play. It's not just a good story. He can obviously play if he's being drafted 21st overall by the Pittsburgh Steelers, right?

Speaker 4:
[197:20] Told you he was a first round pick in January.

Speaker 1:
[197:21] All right. You did. You did. I said that top 50. Akeem Mesidor is the Chargers pick.

Speaker 4:
[197:28] How about it?

Speaker 1:
[197:29] I love that.

Speaker 4:
[197:30] Love this pick.

Speaker 1:
[197:31] The Chargers. If it wasn't Ioane, it was, man, do we hope an edge falls.

Speaker 4:
[197:35] Correct.

Speaker 1:
[197:36] Tell them about this pick and Akeem Mesidor.

Speaker 4:
[197:38] Well, I think their top three guys are all in contract years. And then Khalil Mack and Bud DePriere are both on the wrong side of 30. And what I really, one of the things I love about Akeem Mesidor's game is that he is outstanding. When they go to four man fronts, they're going to kick this guy inside and he will give interior offensive lineman absolute nightmares. And some of its athletic ability, which you would expect from an edge kicking inside, but this dude has some of the most violent hands in the draft. I mean, he just knows how to get off blocks and just get guys off balance. It's honestly, he's just like Bain. Miami tape is so much fun to watch because the two of them, I mean, they're just, the motors, the hand, like it's, I think that Mesidor's got maybe a little more of an injury history, a little bit older of a prospect. So this is why he's going to fall. But Joe Hortiz, go get your crab soup. You had a great pick. I don't know if you're going to trade back in, but if you're done for the night, go get the crab soup. I hope it's good. And cause you just crushed your pick.

Speaker 1:
[198:37] Yeah, Mesidor falling. And there's the age element with Akeem Mesidor. He's 25 years old, okay. He had some durability stuff, but most teams I talked to weren't concerned about that. But the combination isn't ideal, right? As a first round draft pick, you're 25 years old and you've kind of bounced around and been in and out with some injuries. But this past year, man, like there's some guys who are going to be drafted and I don't want to start knocking, but like crown over from A&M. Like you go down to like the, was it, I'm not going to, it was like, it was a slaughter list of what? Bain, yes, but pass rushdowns? The embarrassment he inflicted upon some of these offensive tackles. The thing about Mesidor is, very few edge rushers in college figure out the, and granted, he's 25. And so people who are trying to knock him and say he's not that good, we're like, well, yeah, he should have figured it out by now. He's 25. But very few times you pop on college tape and their pass rushers are combining the feet with the upper body. And everything's in unison and there's a plan. And what's the plan on snap one shifts to plan on snap three, shifts to how did he counter to that? And it's like, it's this game of chess that you're playing, but then also having the feet and the upper body. So he's like, to a club, to a swipe, to a, like, he does it all. He is, maybe, I don't know, he's the most polished pass rusher in this draft, I'd say.

Speaker 4:
[200:15] Yeah, I mean, Bailey's up there, but he's what? I mean, he's in the mix, man. I always do this to you.

Speaker 1:
[200:20] I know.

Speaker 4:
[200:21] Whenever I'm like, ah.

Speaker 1:
[200:22] I don't know that Bailey's as polished as him. Bailey's more gifted and more explosive.

Speaker 4:
[200:27] Yeah, I don't know. But listen, he's up there. You are right.

Speaker 1:
[200:33] Why are you picking fights with me a bit? So where do you? Oh, this is this is another one of your guys, man.

Speaker 4:
[200:42] Ben, this is a little.

Speaker 1:
[200:43] It's a good night.

Speaker 4:
[200:44] Kind of surprised by how early, but I love the player, man.

Speaker 1:
[200:48] Wait a second.

Speaker 4:
[200:48] So can we can announce this? Can we announce this?

Speaker 1:
[200:50] Yes. Yes. Yes.

Speaker 4:
[200:52] So the Cowboys take edge Malachi Lawrence from from Central Florida with pick 23.

Speaker 1:
[200:58] This one's intriguing because they needed an edge. And Malachi Lawrence, his tape is pretty damn awesome. Now, the complaint you're going to get on Malachi Lawrence is some thought he was soft. I never saw an ounce of soft. Some thought that he didn't play the run with the same. I shouldn't say soft. When people say soft, like he doesn't play the run with the same intensity. As he does trying to get those pass rushes home, right? I didn't see it. And I questioned back, like I popped back at a few people, like I didn't see it. Give me examples. But just in general, you know, he plays high. I'm like, yeah, no, I see him play high, but there's a difference in not... And at the end of the day, Malachi Lawrence, his tape was really good. He didn't get invited to the Senior Bowl. And they...

Speaker 4:
[201:48] He was at the East-West Game.

Speaker 1:
[201:49] He was at the East-West Game. He was. And Fabian, I just talked to Drew the other day, and he said, we tried to bring him in, but late, and recognized, like, they brought the other UCF edge rusher in. And so Lawrence has an awesome week at the Senior Bowl. What's the huddle report? On what? For the draft board? A mock draft early board?

Speaker 4:
[202:21] Let's see how he finishes.

Speaker 1:
[202:22] Yeah, I only care about the top 100 board, but where I'm king of the hill, as they call it, for the last five years. This is nice of you. I can't believe you guys are doing something nice for me. You don't do anything nice for me.

Speaker 4:
[202:31] I'll say this, Tucker.

Speaker 1:
[202:32] Everything's nicest for Muench.

Speaker 4:
[202:34] He only cares about the top 100 until he finishes first in the mock draft, and then he'll care about it.

Speaker 1:
[202:40] I refuse to turn my mock draft into the huddle report. Bobby over there. Robbie, sorry. But they're great. The work that they do is pretty cool. Yeah, it is pretty cool. Thank you. That's nice. Yeah, this mock draft I thought was going to be a disaster, but it was not anywhere. But Ty Simpson. But Malachi Lawrence, I don't want to breeze over this pick because this is a huge shock to people that it's this high in the first. Dallas, they wanted to trade back and got additional compensation. They've liked what they did. They moved up slightly, moved back slightly, probably worked it all out with compensation. But Malachi Lawrence had a great East West Shrine. You watched him on tape first. You uncovered this guy because I was watching Nigel Kelly, the other guy, getting ready for the Senior Bowl. His tape is pretty good. He's really good. I was like, all right, well, I'll get to it after the Senior Bowl. And I got to it after the Senior Bowl. I'm like, yo, you're right.

Speaker 4:
[203:40] He runs around like a wild man. He's got to calm down at times and break down and finish as a pass rusher. That's how energetic and active, he's like a Tasmanian devil. I mean, he is just going all the time as a pass rusher and it gets him into trouble because he needs to just break down and finish as a tackle.

Speaker 1:
[203:57] But he got better and better each year. He finished his career three seasons, 27 and a half tackles for loss, 19 and a half sacks. Then he goes to the Combine, folks. And we thought he was going to work out well. But I didn't have on the bingo card, 6'4, 253 pounds, almost 34 inch arm length. Ran a 4'5, 2. That's 92nd percentile in the last three years at the Combine. And remember, there's the Arvel Reeses and, well, they were at linebacker. There's plenty of guys who are like the 240 range. He's 6'4, 253, a respectable size. And he runs a 1. What I tell you, this 160 is the line. You run me a 160 or faster. You have a chance to be an elite pass rusher if you can develop those things. 159, that's 86th percentile in the 10-yard split. 40-inch vertical in the last three years, 96th percentile. 10-10 broad, 95th percentile. This is the workout of an elite, elite edge rusher. And the tape is really good in ascending. Yeah. And the all-star game was dominant. Wish he came to the senior bowl and got to put it up against some of those other offensive tackles like Iheanachor. But he didn't. And here we are now. The Cowboys believe in him so much. And I had heard that they liked him. I didn't know this high. They take him at 23 overall.

Speaker 4:
[205:23] Yeah, man.

Speaker 1:
[205:24] And this Dallas defense, we talked about it.

Speaker 4:
[205:28] I will say this for Lawrence. I think the absolute ceiling is Khalil Mack. And that's going to be a hell of a football player, man. We'll see if he gets there.

Speaker 1:
[205:35] You're talking about that.

Speaker 4:
[205:36] I know. I know. But that's the ceiling. Same frame.

Speaker 1:
[205:40] Usually when you put an absolute ceiling, you're inferring that there's a lot higher. But the absolute ceiling... I misspoke.

Speaker 4:
[205:48] I misspoke. Fine. Fine.

Speaker 1:
[205:51] But now this is a great spot for him as he's learning and developing. And he's only a really good pass rusher right now. By NFL standards.

Speaker 4:
[205:57] I agree.

Speaker 1:
[206:00] You got Rashaun Gary and you got Otito and you got Jonathan Bullard you brought in and you got James Houston. But he's got a chance to be a 2025 snap guy as a rookie and make an actual impact. An actual impact as a pass rusher for this defense.

Speaker 4:
[206:19] I agree.

Speaker 1:
[206:19] And they drafted Caleb Downs with the first pick. So now you got this pass rushing maniac coming off the edge to go along with Rashaan Gary who you brought in and yes, I get it. It's not Micah Parsons, but you've also brought in Quinnen Williams and Kenny Clark since as part of all that and since. And now you got Downs at the safety position. Now what's left is we better deal with cornerback. And I think wide receivers are going to need to be addressed on the second day. But this is an awesome start for the Cowboys. Just like I think it couldn't have gone much better. The Lawrence things early, it's earlier than we thought. But it fits what they need, you know? So I'm cool with it.

Speaker 4:
[206:59] It'll be interesting to see if Donovan as a rock, who we liked coming out last year, can take the next step.

Speaker 1:
[207:03] Yes. Um, the Browns took Concepcion? This mock draft's doing well, huh? Is that who I gave him the...

Speaker 4:
[207:20] Doesn't care about it. He's starting to care about it a little bit.

Speaker 1:
[207:22] Oh, no, I gave him M. Lemon in this one because I had him fall.

Speaker 4:
[207:25] Okay, anyway.

Speaker 1:
[207:25] What are you thinking? I know, that's why I don't care about it. So the Browns are doing what we expect the Browns to do. The Browns got their offensive tackle with the first pick, and the Browns come back with their second pick at 24, and they wind up taking KC. Concepcion, a player I think really fits what they want to do. This is... Concepcion... is lightning. Concepcion is a guy who gets in the end zone. The Cleveland Browns desperately need guys that can take the football and put it in the paint, if you will. He did it 30 times, threw for a touchdown past the last three seasons, but also 30 times he scored a touchdown. I did a breakdown. I want to walk you through exactly what I think is unique in the top three things that I think are going to translate for the Cleveland Browns and what they just got in Concepcion at the 24th overall pick. The first is this beautiful blend of vision and acceleration after the catch. Watch right here, right? He'll break this quick tackle, and that's not even about his game. His game is getting up field and exploding after the catch. So here's the catch. And right away, the quick transition. Go. He just has this sense where to cut, when to cut. And that makes 4-4-5 speed for 3 football speed. There is a suddenness to his game that I like. I want you to watch this. Working against press coverage, it'll be better in the league. I get it. But watch. That ability to separate real quickly when you're exploding off the line of scrimmage and you got to pick up in the quick game or in the red zone. I like that about him. And then here's the final thing that I love about Concepcion's game. The awareness. I think this is going to serve him so well in the NFL. Watch this corner, right? He's working this as if, okay, it's man to man. I'm going to work that outside in. And then he recognized the safety. That's the beauty. Watch that free safety. The millisecond. He works to his left. The arm goes up. Concepcion says, hey, get the ball to me. Reid does here. It's a touchdown. This is going to work in the NFL. Yeah. And Cleveland's going to need it to work right away. And it will. Obviously, we're not going to get into a big quarterback debate. And what's going to happen there? I don't think Deshaun Watson is going to is going to be much of anything. And we'll see. He'll get one last shot there in Cleveland. We know what we saw last year from from Shador. And and I I'm I'm thrilled that he's getting this opportunity. Shador Sanders. But let's just be honest about this situation. It's a last year. You did enough to go from the fifth round draft pick after that embarrassment and everything that happened. You hung in there. You showed enough maturity to get to this point. And you showed enough that we're willing to give you another shot to be the starter. And I fully expect that Shador Sanders is the starters come starter coming into this year. But it's it's one year. Let's figure it out, because next year there's a bunch of quarterbacks coming in the league that could be better. Right. And that's the nature of this league. But in the meantime, we're going to give you some weapons for this year. And we're also going to get ready for twenty twenty seven. If you prove us wrong, that's the best thing that could ever happen.

Speaker 4:
[210:29] Great.

Speaker 1:
[210:30] Right. And that's good. And I say prove us wrong. And it's a new coaching staff, but the same general manager didn't look like this ton of excitement. They passed on them four rounds. So my whole point on this is they've got to start getting the weapons and the protection right in Cleveland for Shadur this year. And if he takes it to a whole other level, which, by the way, there was a lot of good things on tape coming out. And we talked about him as a late first, early second. There was a lot of talk about him. And so it's in there if the maturity level raises with the skill set and the passing ability, right? And now you've got a weapon in the wide receiver, Concepcion, that comes in. And yet you can talk about body types and this and that. Isaiah Bond is, talk about not trusting. You can't trust Isaiah Bond to be your number three starter. But as a number four, that's a nice weapon who can provide you some explosive plays. Well, now they get to bump them back to four because you got Cedric Tillman on one side, Jerry Judy on the other. And now in the slot goes Casey Concepcion, who also has some inside outside versatility. So now we're starting to put some pieces together. This isn't like the top 10 passing attack from a receiver core standpoint, but it's progress. And we also got an offensive tackle in the first round after bringing in Zion Johnson at guard and Elgin Jenkins at center, presumably all that. Titus Howard at right tackle, to Juan Jones at left tackle, is the question mark. And so they draft Spencer Fano in the big, in the early in this draft after moving back from six to nine.

Speaker 4:
[212:07] They've executed the plan. Let's execute the plan. Get an offensive lineman, then get a wide receiver. Right. It's gone to plan.

Speaker 1:
[212:13] And this by, I told you, there was a straw, if there was a straw poll, the hell is a straw poll? I've been using that phrase.

Speaker 4:
[212:20] I don't even know what it means.

Speaker 1:
[212:22] If I, if I polled all the people I talked to, if I wrote down all the conversations I had with the people in the league, because I was curious, like where do you guys rank them? Because for different teams, like different teams have, are looking for different things. The poll would have come back, Concepcion was majority vote by the people I talked to in the league as the fourth best receiver, behind Tate, Tyson and Lemon. And that's exactly where he goes, as the fourth receiver off the board. So the, Cleveland, for all the people, the analytics and this and that, like Todd Muenchen's gonna come in. I'm excited for the Todd Muenchen era. This guy is an absolute character, but much, much, much more importantly, this guy is an absolutely good football coach. And I'm excited to see that combination of stuff. But they needed some, they needed stuff on this offensive side. And they got to tackle that, whether it's left or right, or they move pieces around. And they got a receiver who I think is gonna be an instant impact player.

Speaker 4:
[213:17] After getting Harold Fannon last year. Yeah, they're making some progress.

Speaker 1:
[213:21] They are. And so now the Bears, who there are a lot of rumors could move around tonight. They don't wind up as many other teams don't wind up moving. They got an absolute, this is like, it's not like hitting the lottery. But this is like when you have that lucky day, right? And so everything just falls into place. And you really want, you only got 10 minutes for lunch all of a sudden, like someone may brought in catering from the best restaurant in town. And then you leave and there's no traffic on the highway. Normally it's an hour drive and it's 24 minutes getting home. And all of it. There was no chance based off of all the calls and the intel that I was getting and everyone else I talked to in this industry was getting that Dylan Thieneman was falling to 25. And DA comes in, Dennis Allen, and he's looking for, like, it was talk of Emmanuel McNeil-Warren, the third safety in this draft. I don't know that he's going to be the perfect fit. Thieneman would be, but there's no chance Thieneman gets to the Bears at pick 25. And here he is at 25. He was absolutely, he could have gone as high as 12, was the talk all week long. And absolutely, like, the floor is Carolina at 19. And he gets to 25, and Dennis Allen gets exactly what they were. We said coming in, watch out for offensive tackle, but edge and safety are the two positions that you've got to get right for Dennis Allen for this defense. And now with Caleb playing the way he did, and with everything going on the offensive side with Ben Johnson, like, they're good and they'll get a couple pieces later on. But this was about getting that defense to another level.

Speaker 4:
[215:06] Yeah. I mean, this pick tells me a couple of things. One, you're right. They're massive need. Best player available at that position. I think going to be an absolute stud in the league. But it does tell me that Chicago is not as worried about their situation at left tackle where Ozzy Cipillo is hurt. And they also, I mean, I think they make the right pick by taking Thieneman here. I think he's the best available player and it is a big need. But also they have on the board is Zion Young from Missouri at edge. And TJ Parker from Clemson at edge. This was the best case scenario for the Bears. And the pick of the litter basically of what they could do. And to be able to do that this late in the draft, man. And I think they made the right, I think they made the right pick.

Speaker 1:
[215:46] And it's worth noting, not surprising, Nick Casario decides to move up ahead of San Francisco for fear that San Francisco would take the last tackle off the board. Let's see if it plays out that way. But Houston moves up just a couple spots in the first round. Presumably Caleb, we talked about it. There's eight offensive linemen that we are certain are going to go in the first round. That was my feeling and you agreed with me. Could be a guard or two more, right?

Speaker 4:
[216:14] Right.

Speaker 1:
[216:16] Houston's probably going to be in the outside looking in. The end of it, I think my mock draft was 27, Lomu was San Francisco. So Nick's screwing up my mock draft if Lomu's the pick here. But Buffalo takes advantage because Buffalo didn't have a second round pick, I believe, so they're trying to recuperate some ammunition. Buffalo picks 26 and 91 was their picks coming into the first round. Now they just, what was the trade?

Speaker 4:
[216:43] Did you have that? They moved up to 69. They moved up to earlier in the third.

Speaker 1:
[216:47] In the early third. So it's just outside of the second round. So now the Bills move back just a couple spots. They get additional day two compensation. Houston moves up. I would have to assume it's Lomu, right?

Speaker 4:
[216:59] I would think so, yes. Because if they were going to stay and maybe take an edge.

Speaker 1:
[217:06] We can get to it in a second.

Speaker 4:
[217:07] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[217:07] I do want to go.

Speaker 4:
[217:08] I do think it's Lomu, though.

Speaker 1:
[217:09] I would think so, too. Trent Williams is 38 years old, but they did just sign him for another year, but you got to get that ready. They have a bunch of other needs. So if it's not for Lomu, it's a player they absolutely believe San Francisco was going to take at 27. Dylan Thieneman, though, I just want to finish this. This is a guy who played free safety. You talked about it his freshman year at Purdue when you went back and watched the tape, and I went back and watched it and I was like, damn, you're right, man. The thing with Dennis Allen is you think about, was it Malcolm Jennings? No. Malcolm Jenkins? Who was the safety he had in New Orleans that was so impactful and important?

Speaker 4:
[217:55] Wasn't it Jenkins?

Speaker 1:
[217:56] Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was just, give me a second, all right? I got a lot of names going through my head. This is a 6 foot 200 plus pound guy who ran a 4, 3, 5, 40 yard dash at the combine. He had a 41 inch vertical. His workout numbers are absolutely, we knew they were going to be good, but then he came out with the 41 inch vertical, which was 90th percentile, 1, 5, 2, 10 split, 4, 3, 5, like it was just off the charts. This is a guy who takes the ball away. Most importantly for Dennis Allen, he can be your deep free. He can be your slot cover corner, right? He can do all those different things. And so I love that fit for Chicago. I think Chicago got significantly better on that side of the ball, and we expect edge and maybe offensive linemen later on. Now, we talked about, this is fascinating. We talked about Houston trading up ahead of San Francisco to get the offensive linemen. It had to be Caleb Lomu, right? Keelin Rutledge, guard from Georgia Tech. Not shocking, he was one of like 10 names. We said, when you get to pick 25 to about 46 was the number. I went and looked on our rankings. There's so much fluctuation and teams then talking to teams on the phone. It's like, well, we got him here.

Speaker 4:
[219:11] We got him here.

Speaker 1:
[219:13] The top, there were like 13 guys that were absolute lock first round grades in any draft, in my opinion, this year. And then there's another like eight guys, nine guys. Then you get to like the mid 20s. And Keelin Rutledge, who we see. I've never seen at the Senior Bowl, Keelin Rutledge, guard out of Georgia Tech. I've never seen an offensive line group on your own team turn on a teammate like they did Keelin Rutledge. This guy is such a prick. And I mean that in the best possible way for an offensive lineman. He is angry. He is mean. He is nasty and he is rotten. And you know what else he is? He's a darn good guard, man. He is plug and play starter. He is physical. He's a finisher. You did his tape and you liked it a lot, too.

Speaker 4:
[220:02] Yeah, I mean, I think he's a very fundamentally sound zone blocker. I mean, people think that of glass eaters or road graders or pricks. They're just man gap guys. This guy is a very sound zone blocker. He does a great job of again, not to get in the weeds here, but does a great job of securing the line of scrimmage before working up to the second level. There's as an offensive lineman watching his tape, it's hard not to geek out a little bit about how well he does certain things. I'm not surprised that he went in the first round. I thought it might be a little bit later, but he's a damn good player.

Speaker 1:
[220:36] The only thing that's surprising about it, and I know the information was there, and Nick didn't trade up for no reason, the only thing that's surprising about it was that they traded up to go get the player who's 40th on our board, but again, like he's probably 20th on their board, so what's the matter, right? And they wound up taking him at 26.

Speaker 4:
[221:00] Yep.

Speaker 1:
[221:00] 26, okay. So now San Francisco was on the clock, and they traded out, and Miami has moved up. That's Lomu. That's got to be Lomu.

Speaker 4:
[221:13] They got Proctor already from Miami.

Speaker 1:
[221:15] Oh yeah, they did. Sorry. I'm going to the bathroom. You carry this for three minutes. You can handle it.

Speaker 4:
[221:21] This is where it all falls apart, folks. So they pick up a third round? That's a pretty good deal for San Francisco. We're definitely going to have to go to the GM series. We all understand that, right? I love that trade for San Francisco. I mean, you move back three picks, and you pick up a third rounder in a draft where I think there's gonna be a lot of talent available in the third round. They'll be able to fill another need. So I love the pick. It also says to me that they're not as concerned about the Trent Williams situation. I laugh tackle. We're gonna take a quick bathroom break, and while we're gone, this is Chris Ballard from the Colts GM.

Speaker 1:
[222:10] I'm curious, what would people who worked with you say, these were his scouting principles, this is why he had so much success evaluating talent, this is what I learned from him, these are the things that he was strong on?

Speaker 2:
[222:26] Look, they know, one, you got to work. You got to put your eyes on the tape. Yeah. Okay, we can, and look, I am in the analytics, I am in to the numbers, I am in to thinking differently. Yeah. But at the end of the day, it's all just a tool.

Speaker 1:
[222:49] A supplement, right?

Speaker 2:
[222:50] To help you watch the tape. I would hope people would tell you, I was very open-minded, I'm not closed-minded, you don't have to make a decision until you have to make a decision. It's okay to be wrong. It's okay to be wrong. Because at the end of the day, we want to be right on draft day. So between January and April when the draft starts, I mean, you've got to be able to process and take in all this information and tape and you're going to see, and I'm telling you, you can watch the same game three times, you're going to see something different.

Speaker 1:
[223:29] Isn't it crazy?

Speaker 2:
[223:30] But you got to be willing to do that and you got to be able to do it. Like any mistake I've ever made in the draft usually comes because I make my mind up too soon and I don't thoroughly go through it and keep looking for holes. I mean, I've just done it so long now, I've trained myself that if I really love a prospect, I will spend three months trying to figure out why I shouldn't like him. So I would hope our guys would tell you something along those lines that the work, the tape, being open-minded and being a good listener. I hear it all in our room and I want an open room and I want people to challenge and I hear it all because you never know when the one voice is right. And it's hard to be the outside voice in the room when everybody's against you. Like that's not for everybody.

Speaker 1:
[224:23] No.

Speaker 2:
[224:23] But that might be the one person who's seeing it right. You can't close your eyes and think that this person is wrong. And so I would hope as, and I think we have a very talented group, and I hope as they go through their careers, that's something they take with them.

Speaker 1:
[224:44] Let's get to the quarterback position, right? And I'll let the Wolves ask all the questions that they want. I know you've answered a million of them this week. I'm more interested in evaluating that position.

Speaker 2:
[224:59] You and me both.

Speaker 1:
[225:02] Most important position in the sport, and it's the hardest one to evaluate.

Speaker 2:
[225:05] Yeah. Because there's so few of them. Yeah. That can really carry a franchise. So what happens, and we're all guilty of it. It's one of the real positives, I think, of NIL. I truly believe that if I was a quarterback, it's not about being a first-round pick, but having a career. Yeah. The more snaps you can get in college.

Speaker 1:
[225:38] No question.

Speaker 2:
[225:38] The better off you're going to be. I would, every kid, I would divide. I said, I don't care if you're the first pick of the draft. If you got eligibility left, stay and be as prepared as you can because this train does not, when you enter the league, the clock starts. If you got a one next to your name, it starts and it's ticking twice as fast as any other player in the draft's clock. So having those guys have play history and being ready is, I think this NIL is going to be very beneficial for both quarterbacks in general, but I think for us because now they're going to have, if they'll do it, they'll stay in, they'll have longer careers.

Speaker 1:
[226:22] We're seeing guys with 50, 60 starts versus the 20, 30. That's right.

Speaker 2:
[226:28] The more play experience you have, the more you've seen, the better chance you have for success when you get into our league. But look, nobody's cornered the market on knowing exactly what works and what doesn't work. It takes a little bit of luck. It takes a kid that's failed and struggled, I think it's a good thing because they're going to struggle at our level. I got told our media the other day and I've said it a few times. It's rare when a quarterback comes in and just lights it up right away. They got to fail, they got to go through some hard stuff, they got to stand on the edge of the abyss and not jump and handle it. I was fortunate to be with Alex Smith in Kansas City who had first pick of the draft, injured, benched, they let walk and free, he ended up going back in free agency. But it was like year eight before it really came, when we got him in Kansas City, it was year eight or nine. I'd asked him a bunch of questions about how did you manage him? It just, I think just his resolve of who he is, how he was raised and who he is as a person, it just strengthened over time. Not many can handle that kind of failure. That's not for everybody.

Speaker 1:
[227:56] We appreciate that conversation with Chris Ballard. I don't know what's weaker, that I couldn't hold out the last handful of picks.

Speaker 4:
[228:02] I knew this was coming.

Speaker 1:
[228:02] But I had to go to the restroom before we started the actual draft, or that you, my ear, if you guys can pull that, there you go. Or that you couldn't hang here for three minutes and just talk to our friends.

Speaker 4:
[228:18] No, immediately didn't know what to do with my hands, started sweating.

Speaker 1:
[228:21] But we can be in a conversation, you can talk for five straight minutes and not even think twice about it, but the fact that I'm not sitting like a binky?

Speaker 4:
[228:28] I think when you make me so angry that I have a heart, like I just don't focus on anything else other than being mad at you.

Speaker 1:
[228:35] Well, just be mad at me that I left you on the... Anyway, let's get caught up on things. We talked to you about Keelan Rutledge, the guard to Houston. And my earpiece is still open. I can hear it in there.

Speaker 4:
[228:46] Yeah, I'm here. That goes too.

Speaker 1:
[228:49] Then Chris Johnson, Muench's favorite player, another guy that I just really like his tape, but Chris Johnson. To the San Diego State corner, Miami traded up with San Francisco, I believe, at 27 to go get Chris Johnson in the corner. They obviously need everything. In the corner, one of the bigger needs. The Patriots then at 28 get Caleb Lomu. But I want to take you back to that Chris Johnson tape, or the Chris Johnson pick for Miami, because I know this is one of your favorite players in the entire draft.

Speaker 4:
[229:23] My guy. You know, it's been such an interesting pre-draft process for him because he's from San Diego State. He's not a power five conference player, but when you watch him on tape, he is instinctive. He goes and gets the ball. He is a playmaker. I mean, he just knows how to play through the receiver's hands at the catch point. He's tough against the run. One of the more intelligent players in this draft. I think he can do a number of things in terms of when you want to vary coverage, whether you want to play zone, whether you want to play man. But again, you just see his ability to go and get the ball and make plays. And that's really what I love the most about his game. Went to the senior bowl and had kind of an up and down week. And we thought, well, maybe he's not the player we thought he was. But then he goes and has a great workout at the combine. And then you start hearing about interviews. And you start digging in a little bit. And you're like, oh, this is a different kind of human being. He has a different kind of mind, a different kind of brain. I think it's a great pick at this point in the draft. And they desperately need corners. Their, I don't know how, their past defense was atrocious last year. I don't think there's any like sugar coating it. I mean, it was so bad that they had to address the position.

Speaker 1:
[230:31] Well, the fact that they moved up to go get this guy tells you everything you need to know. And the fact that, let's face it, I mean, we pushed, it's almost like we, we, I don't know what it was, because you and I both loved him. And you were talking to Drew Fabianich when we had him on the senior role before we went down to Mobile, how you're yelling at your wife, Iris, or yelling at your daughter, Stella, about Chris Johnson. Like, I just love this guy. Yelling at him in a good way. Like, you've got to see this tape.

Speaker 4:
[230:57] Why is no one else getting this?

Speaker 1:
[230:58] Why does no one else get how good Chris Johnson is? So, and I watched his tape, and I was like, man, like, I love him, too. And there was something about his ability to, like, match zone and his eyes and then the man-to-man stuff. And the only question we had was, at that level, like, is the speed, the recovery speed. It runs a 4-4 flat. And then the Jermod McCoy stuff, which is unfortunate, but the injury issue with his knee, and a lot of teams I'm talking to, it's degenerative. And we always liked Colton Hood.

Speaker 4:
[231:33] Yep.

Speaker 1:
[231:33] Great, like, really good player. Could be a great corner in the league, and is probably going to be a really, really good one. But we just like Chris Johnson better. So I was sitting down with our board, right before you and I had our last board meeting, and I was like, McCoy's going to fall, and it's the durability stuff, so it's out of our control. And he hasn't played football since 2024. I'm putting Chris Johnson number two, because it's what you and I totally believe. And I knew there was going to be no pushback. And here he is as the second cornerback off the board. So trust your eyes is the message here. And very clearly, Miami trusted their eyes, and John Eric Sullivan is off to a really good start with Jeff Halfley as his head coach. John Eric is the general manager, and he's off to a really, really good foundation of not only the talent, but like the guys you want to bring in. And Jeff Halfley, defensive backs, it's critical. It's not a want, it's an absolute critical part of what he does. So this is a huge piece for them. Then the next pick we've got Caleb Lomu.

Speaker 4:
[232:41] To the Patriots.

Speaker 1:
[232:42] To the New England Patriots. I mean, couldn't, the only thing that's interesting about this pick is Caleb Lomu is a full-time left tackle in the NFL. And so we're gonna start the questions on short arms, but then at the end of the day, they're trying to get the five best offensive linemen. Will Campbell is their left tackle starter. You point blank asked Mr. Wolf during our interview at the combine and he point blank answered, he is our left tackle. So Lomu comes in and I don't know if it's a kick into guard. I don't know if it's the right tackle after Morgan Moses, but at the end of the day, best player available.

Speaker 4:
[233:21] It's fascinating to me because where they get him is obviously very different than where they got Will Campbell and he does have longer arms than Will Campbell, but this is a similar player.

Speaker 1:
[233:29] Stop, stop.

Speaker 4:
[233:30] No, I'm just saying it's a similar player in terms of great feet, smart, really good with his hands, but a high cut guy who has some problems with power rushers, which is what we saw, and Campbell may have been hurt. I want to be clear about that.

Speaker 1:
[233:46] May have been? He was hurt.

Speaker 4:
[233:47] Okay, fine. I guess you're the doctor for the New England Patriots now.

Speaker 1:
[233:50] Basically.

Speaker 4:
[233:51] That being said, he can have a hard time anchoring. So I love the value, though.

Speaker 1:
[233:57] And their divisional foe, although it doesn't feel like it in recent days, the New York Jets just traded. Hold on. The New York Jets just moved up and traded the pick after.

Speaker 4:
[234:12] The Chiefs.

Speaker 1:
[234:13] So the 30th pick. Okay. The 30th pick. Yeah, we are going to have to move this TV tomorrow. The Jets move up to pick 30, but the real news is the Kansas City Chiefs, the pick before that. After the Patriots pick of Lomu, right? At 29, the pick is in for Peter Woods' interior defensive lineman. And I'm starting to feel vindicated because I said there's absolutely going to be two defensive tackles that go in the first round. About a month ago, I said the wrong two names, but one of them is right and that's Peter Woods. I didn't think Caleb Banks was going to go as early as he did. The talent certainly warrants it. But Peter Woods is a player. You want to talk about full circle on Peter Woods, right? Watch the tape last summer. We're doing our Clemson special on The McShay Show because there were so many prospects. We wanted to feature that. And it turned out to be a madly disappointing season for Clemson and a lot of these prospects. The highest ranked grade I gave, and I think it was the same for you. It might have been TJ. Parker. But either way, we both thought potential top 10, top 15 picks. And I thought Peter Woods was on in route to maybe being like a Mason Graham type of pick, top 10 pick, okay? But he needed to elevate and show more as a pass rusher. Didn't do that. In fact, just didn't play with the same finishing. It just wasn't the same tape. It wasn't the same tape where at times I just, it wasn't checked out. It wasn't anything like that. It felt like he didn't have a plan. He just didn't feel like it was this definitive what I'm trying to do and doing it with nastiness and relentlessness. So he started to drop. And then he didn't work out well at the combine. And that was a problem. And started to drop more, or at the pro day, actually, right? Yeah. And so now we're talking maybe in the 40s. That's how big of a move shift it was. But as the week got closer, I started talking and they were like, watch out for Baltimore at 14, but not there trading back. Minnesota at 18. Buffalo was one of them. They didn't take them there. And Houston was another team. There were a lot of teams all of a sudden that had interior defensive line needs. And now Peter Woods, who's a really good player. He's not Mason Graham, but I see a lot of the similar traits with Mason Graham. The shorter arms, some quickness, some power. But Mason Graham finished. This guy doesn't know how to do that yet, but I think that there's some ability there to be a really good player.

Speaker 4:
[236:51] We have kind of a unique perspective here because Joe Cullen is the defensive line coach for the Chiefs and Joe Cullen recruited us to play at the University of Richmond.

Speaker 1:
[236:59] Do you see recently, Gerald McCoy tweeted out, there's only one Joe Cullen in the world. I retweeted it.

Speaker 4:
[237:04] Yeah, it's unbelievable.

Speaker 1:
[237:05] Reposted on X.

Speaker 4:
[237:06] We're talking about an explosive three technique, is what Peter Woods is. And this is Joe Cullen's wheelhouse.

Speaker 1:
[237:16] No question.

Speaker 4:
[237:17] If I have heard that man yell, get off.

Speaker 1:
[237:21] He's a Boston guy. I would say Medford or Maldon. Everett, okay.

Speaker 4:
[237:25] No, no, not Everett.

Speaker 1:
[237:26] No, it was Maldon or Medford.

Speaker 4:
[237:27] You're right. One of those, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[237:29] But one of the-

Speaker 4:
[237:31] Quincy.

Speaker 1:
[237:33] No, that was Dave Carney, my roommate from Richmond. Anyway, he was a Richmond Spiders coach, and he was an, you talk about officer gentleman, like just like respectful. Everything's about respect and doing it the right way. And a great football coach at the end of the day, but an absolute character. And this was like when he was a young puppy, he was coaching us as young pups, right? And he just, get off, get off, get off. And Mark Magna, who went, who got drafted in the NFL late rounds and played a little while, and he's gone on to do some great things down in South Florida. And he's still a friend to this day, but Mark was perfect for him, because Mark was.

Speaker 4:
[238:09] It was undersized, get off, get off the ball, explosive play, one gap stuff, be violent with your hands.

Speaker 1:
[238:17] But the technique and the efficiency of technique that he trained Mark for was a, we got firsthand in practice every day to see what was going to be the future for Joe Cullen as he'd gone on the NFL and become one of the best, I would argue the best and it doesn't matter because I'm biased. But people like Gerald McCoy are saying he's the best interior defensive line coach in the national football world.

Speaker 4:
[238:40] He will settle for nothing less than your best.

Speaker 1:
[238:42] Peter Woods, you better pack a lunch. Peter Woods, you better be prepared. But Peter Woods, you just got handed a lottery ticket with this man. Because if there's anyone who can do it and get the best out of you, it is absolutely Joe Cullen. So that's a great point by you, Mitch. So Omar Cooper, then, goes number third of the New York Jets.

Speaker 4:
[239:04] We thought might take him at 16.

Speaker 1:
[239:06] At one point, we thought that was a possibility. And we had said all along, if any position is going to fall, it's going to be those wide receivers. They did a little bit, but this is where, even in the mock draft, I had these wide receivers coming off late. And recently, we saw Casey Concepcion go 24 to Cleveland, and now the New York Jets. We talk about the Jets, right? First of all, just playing games all week, and I love it. I'm here for all of it with that first pick. They get David Bailey, so an established pass rusher with that first pick. Then at 16, they wind up going and get Kenyon Sadiq. They're building this roster, folks, for 2027. And Gino, have fun with it, win us enough games so we all have a job next year. But this isn't the mantra, but like, big picture.

Speaker 4:
[239:56] Don't win too many games, because we want to have the first, we want to have a high enough pick where we can package our three first round picks to go get an Arch Manning, or go get a Dante Moore next year. That's it. And in the meantime, we have ripped down this roster and we are building it back up, and we're doing so with draft picks and smart decisions. And so far, you got to love what they've done, because now on the offensive side, you got Kenyon, Sadiq and Tiden. They, by the way, have Mason Taylor from a year ago.

Speaker 1:
[240:24] Mason Taylor too, which we should have talked about earlier, because I think that slides Mason Taylor into that number two role. They're going to use some two Tiden sets. I think that unlocks him a little bit.

Speaker 4:
[240:34] Right. And you got Frank Reich, who's there as the offensive coordinator, and they're going to do Frank Reich things. And also now you've got a receiver in Omar Cooper Jr., who I don't think you can say enough good things about.

Speaker 1:
[240:50] No. I mean, yes, I'm agreeing with you. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[240:55] No, you can't say enough good things about him. You said it the right way. So yeah, I mean, you pair him up with Garrett Wilson, a healthy Garrett Wilson, and now you're talking about establishing what you're trying to do. I think Omar Cooper Jr., the thing that always stood out to me with Omar Cooper Jr. is his toughness and competitiveness and his contact balance and the things that he did after the catch, but not lost on me is how damn good his hands are, man. Like his hands, when I'm just watching him, the confidence he has catching the football, the ability to, the strength, and the ability to pluck and transition upfield is what leads to a lot of his yards after catch. And the inside outside flexibility too. That's a big thing for Cooper. He's spent a lot, 605 of his 751 snaps last year for the national championship team were in the slot. But prior to that, it was on the perimeter. So he's a guy who can play inside and out. He's not that big. Obviously, it's six foot, 199, but he's not that small either. He's like the thick compact guy.

Speaker 1:
[242:06] That's a normal size receiver now.

Speaker 4:
[242:08] That's what I'm saying. He's not a six, two, six, three guy, but he's not like a small guy for, I guess I say that because he's a slot receiver. You think like, oh, he's 5'10, 5'11, he's not. And yeah, I just, he forced 27 missed tackles in 2025 and he doesn't do it with this blazing speed. He's a 4'4, two guy. It's really fast, but it's not like that. And he's not, he's like, he's catch, accelerate and then like break a tackle, move around. It's my alarm. It's eight o'clock Pacific time. We should be on the 30th pick, is that right?

Speaker 1:
[242:48] We're on the second pick, I think.

Speaker 4:
[242:49] Are we? All right, so anyway, so Omar Cooper Jr. is an awesome pick there. Keldrick Faulk goes next to Tennessee. These teams are not waiting for their guy. And these are two players that I had to have in the first round, because they're two of the players that I absolutely loved. And I know you did with Omar Cooper Jr. I don't know if you and I ever agreed on Keldrick Faulk, but Keldrick Faulk.

Speaker 1:
[243:11] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[243:11] You're a Faulk fan, right?

Speaker 1:
[243:12] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[243:13] Faulker. Then give me something on Faulk.

Speaker 1:
[243:17] I mean, he looks like an NBA swing player, but he is 200, what is he, 280 pounds? He is, he carries his 276 pounds. He carries his weight like he looks like a much lighter player. He's 20 years old. He is going, he's just scratching the surface. And this dude, he is athletic. I think he can play anywhere along the defensive front. The sky's the limit for him.

Speaker 4:
[243:47] Get on our website, by the way. We haven't promoted this enough. They're keeping up with it. All the picks are up there. It's the ringer.com/mcshay. Like, you're not going to find a better scouting report for all these players. If a player is drafted for your team or you're just interested in every one of these picks, which makes you just as equally a lunatic like us, and I love it. Like, I'm just looking at Keldrick Faulk right now. The versatility is high, the toughness in motor is elite, the versus the run is elite, and the pass rush is not where it needs to be. He's one of the youngest players in this draft class. He just turned 21 last month. He has his pass rush win rate was 11.4. That would have been the lowest of the top 10 edge rushers in this class. But I see oozing potential on tape with him. And yeah, I'm the guy who was a Schmarr Stewart last year. Loved him. And maybe the guys that I'm fighting with on the phone from scouts and some executives, if you will, the directors and GMs, some guys just won't look at prospects if the sack production is not there. And yes, for every... There's Rashaan Gary. There's 10 other failouts. And this is the argument that I'm getting all the time. For every Daniel Hunter, there's 10 other guys that were drafted too early who didn't have sack production. I would not... I was a dog with a bone on this guy.

Speaker 1:
[245:19] Yeah, don't bet against him. I would not bet against him.

Speaker 4:
[245:22] He's got... And you know what I loved watching? When he kicked inside on passing downs. And just the image I still have of watching him on tape. This guy who is 6'5... He's 6'6, right? 276 pounds as you covered with 33 and 3 eighths inch... Or 34 and 3 eighths inch arm length. And the quick takeoff that he has and watching these guards with the 32 inch arms who are like 6'1. It looked like a weird situation where you dropped some middle school kids off at an NBA practice. It just didn't look right. And I'm thinking to myself, not only with the quickness and the length... And I know NFL guards are different than college guards, but a lot of these college guards that I'm watching in the SEC are going to go on and play in the NFL. And then the passing windows that he's disrupting. I don't know, man. Right off the jump, right off the jump, Tennessee Titans get a bad-ass run-stopping defensive lineman. And then they get the opportunity to move him inside. And that defensive scheme with Salah, with the front... He's a perfect fit for that. He's a perfect fit. I love this fit. And I love the fact that...

Speaker 1:
[246:40] Like Eric Armstead, the Kaleish Campbells. This is what this guy can do.

Speaker 4:
[246:43] Amen, brother. I think that this is gonna be a great home. And I really like what Tennessee... They surprised us with Carnell Tate, but I love the fact that they went... And they took the seventh player at four overall. Well, I'm not complaining about it. They surprised us a little bit. But I love the commitment they showed to offense first. And then they come back right away, and they get a defensive front guy for Salah. So this is a pretty good start for the Tennessee Titans. And I like what... Mike Borganzi, man. Not just because he's an asshole like us. But he gets it. And he's got some... He's got three damn good coaches, man. Like, that coaching staff that Borganzi and the ownership group put together with Brian Dable, who was up for a couple more head jobs, the way he's developed quarterbacks, what he did with Josh Allen, now he has Cam Ward. Gus Bradley and his history in the NFL to go along with Robert Salah. Like, I'm not saying this is going to be fourth pick to the Super Bowl like we saw last year with New England. It's a little different. But I don't know that it's like totally, totally different with the record. I mean, the schedule they have coming up. I think Tennessee and the Giants are going to be the two teams picking in the top like seven. What?

Speaker 1:
[248:00] The pick is in.

Speaker 4:
[248:01] Oh, the pick is in. Well, Muench is ready to get out of here, I guess. No. Who is it?

Speaker 1:
[248:06] Judarian Price.

Speaker 4:
[248:07] Yeah, we knew it. I just couldn't cave, man. I couldn't give him Judarian Price. This is the guy you don't like, so I'll handle this.

Speaker 1:
[248:15] It's obviously a need.

Speaker 4:
[248:18] You really don't like Judarian Price. I like him. I didn't think he's worth 32. They probably tried to trade out. The problem that John Schneider had is that all the trades were made before him.

Speaker 1:
[248:29] Yeah, I mean, it got trade happy.

Speaker 4:
[248:30] I mean, look at all these trades that happened, and we'll get to Judarian in a minute. So we didn't have a trade in the first five picks. We had that Chiefs trade, right? Six and nine. Then we had, New York's pick was traded, but not tonight. Then we had the flip-flop at 11 and 12. We didn't have another trade, folks, until 20. And then all of a sudden, at 23, right? That was 23, then 26, and 27, and 28, and 29 wasn't. That was already happened. The Jets at 30 moved back in. The Titans at 31 moved back in. They weren't waiting. And so all of a sudden, John Schneider's like, all right, fine. I told you I wanted to take this guy anyway, so I'm taking Judarian Price. Judarian Price is the other Notre Dame running back. That's how everyone knows him, right? Didn't get a lot of opportunity to catch the ball, but by all accounts, he catches the ball pretty well. I think he has a fascinating run style. I like the way he runs. It's like this, like Sonic the Hedgehog almost, like the lower's always moving. It's like this forward lean about him. And the thing I saw on tape, which was kind of unique, is he would get stop dead in his tracks, and all of a sudden it's like, it's like the character's still going. And it's not like this acceleration as much as like, it's just one speed, go. And he shows up at the combine, he's 511, he's 203 pounds, he's not the biggest back, runs a 449, which is a good time, but you got other guys running 4-3s, like left and right and low 4-4s. There was nothing super special about the combine either. So you've got this guy who's got really good, like really good run skills onto the outside, who's never caught the ball well, but catches the, never caught the ball because he's behind Jeremiah Love, but he catches the ball well. He's been awesome as kick returner, he's averaged 37.8 yards per kick return and three touchdowns in college. That's like weirdly productive, okay? And he fumbled three times even though he just got 113 carries. So there's all these things, but he's the second most talented running back in this class. And so they identified the talent and he had 9.4 carries per game was all he had. So he's coming into the league without a lot of, you know, with a lot of tread left on his tires, okay? He averaged six yards per carry. And they believe in his run style. And you know what? They identified Walker the third. And they believe that he can be the guy. They had to let him go and he winds up in Kansas City. And so Kenneth Walker's gone. The Darien Price comes in and we'll see how this all works out. It's a little early for me, I'll be honest. I've got him at... But here's the thing with John, he's not afraid to do this. We've seen this in many other times. And he clearly built back up and we gave him all the praise in the world. And I called it before last year when they made the move to let Gino go and they made the move to let DK Metcalf go. I said, he's getting back to his roots. He's going to build this thing. It's going to be fast. And he's going to go after it like gangbusters. I didn't think it was going to be that fast. And I didn't know if Sam, and I loved Sam, and Sam was my guy forever. And I was just hopeful that Sam could get, and he did. But now you take a back, a running back, this early, and I know his information was he was going to go. They wanted to trade back. They didn't trade back. And Jaderian Price is going to become, you know, at least in a rotation, but he's going to become a major part of this offense next year as the reigning Super Bowl champions.

Speaker 1:
[252:26] Yep, Ken of the Walkers.

Speaker 4:
[252:29] He's, huh?

Speaker 1:
[252:31] Ken of the Walkers, bigger, faster, stronger, and they took him later. I mean, I think Jaderian Price, he'll be fine. You left, you couldn't have gotten a Colton Hood here, the corner from Tennessee. You get a little deeper corner. I know that they don't feel like it's a huge knee, but Tariq Wolin just left. I don't know, I don't know. It feels real early to me.

Speaker 4:
[252:55] Yeah, but you just know he's going to be good, but what you could have gotten. I hear you. I hear you. It's not my favorite pick, but we knew it was coming. It was just a matter of could they trade back and get a little better value for it.

Speaker 1:
[253:06] We knew it was coming. And I hate going against Schneider because he's such a good GM. It's hard to like, well, what do you know, Muench?

Speaker 4:
[253:14] Yeah, and he would sit here right now and be like, yeah, bust my balls. Go bleep yourself. How many Super Bowls do you have?

Speaker 1:
[253:20] As he should.

Speaker 4:
[253:20] I got two.

Speaker 1:
[253:22] Exactly, as he should, and I hate it, but like that, I mean, if we're being honest, we're early.

Speaker 4:
[253:26] So head back to the hotel and see what restaurants open at night.

Speaker 1:
[253:28] I'll have to ask him about the combine next year, why he took a running back too early.

Speaker 4:
[253:31] Best available. Everyone else is catching their breath or is it just me? That went fast. What time is it?

Speaker 1:
[253:41] 8-11.

Speaker 4:
[253:41] 8-11. We started what, five, three hours and 11 minutes and this thing's over. That's wild.

Speaker 1:
[253:48] It ripped. And there was a ton of trades. Usually the trades would...

Speaker 4:
[253:51] We had years where it went almost six hours.

Speaker 1:
[253:54] I think the longest was over six hours.

Speaker 4:
[253:57] We were talking about that earlier. So, Keldrick, let me just clear off this board. We got best available in front of us. Denzel Boston, not shocking, didn't go in the first round. Colton, but we admittedly are higher on him than some people, but I would suspect looking at round two tomorrow, right?

Speaker 1:
[254:17] Yep.

Speaker 4:
[254:18] That he will be off the board very, very early, with San Francisco sitting there needing a wide receiver. Arizona, I don't know. I'll tell you what, I know they don't want to take another wide receiver that looks like the guy that they missed on, but Denzel Boston with Josh Allen would be pretty fucking cool, man.

Speaker 1:
[254:34] Yeah, it would.

Speaker 4:
[254:36] Raiders, oh my gosh, the Raiders could use him. In fact, I don't be shocked, I don't know if they can afford to move up and get picked, give away picks, but I'd like to see the Raiders get aggressive to go get him. Anyway, Denzel Boston wide receiver out of Washington is still available. He's the highest player on the board. The rest of these guys we thought could go either way. And honestly, we knew one of these receivers, there was a chance didn't make it in. Colton Hood, the cornerback from Tennessee, we talked about who's going to go ahead of Jermod McCoy, presumably because he's healthier, but McCoy went healthy in 2024, was the best cornerback in this draft class, and it's a shame that what's happened because, yeah, but, you know, Will Johnson, the same thing happened last year. Going in the second round isn't the worst thing in the whole world, and he's going to get an opportunity to come in and prove that he's healthy enough to go become a starter right away. In between there, Kaden MacDonald, a player that we both really like, but he doesn't have the pass rusher ability, and when Caleb Banks, even though he's half the consistency and half the health of Kaden MacDonald, twice the pass rusher and twice the potential to provide that in the NFL, so he goes ahead of him. TJ, throw that back out for one sec. Actually, I can look here, it's fine, but TJ Parker and Zion Young are the two guys that we were hoping would get in the first round because we just loved the player. I love Zion Young's tape. I think Parker, there's more there. Those guys will come off the board early. Emmanuel McNeil-Warren, this is about where he belongs. This is going to be early second round.

Speaker 1:
[256:07] I agree.

Speaker 4:
[256:08] I loved his tape at first, then you put in all the factors and the 40, and he's a second round safety all day, so he's going to be a really good player. Trey Dan Stukes is the hot name, man. Nickel Safety, he's going to come off the board fast. Jacob Rodriguez, another hot name. Linebacker, those inside linebackers. We're going to have a little run on the inside linebackers tomorrow. Jacob Rodriguez is going to kick things off probably. Jake Galday from Cincinnati. CJ Allen from Georgia. There's going to be some inside linebackers. That cornerback board is going to go fast tomorrow, folks. We've got Colton Hood, as we talked about, Jermod McCoy. Beyond that, with some edge rushers and some offensive linemen, beyond that, we're going to have this little run of the Avion Torell from Clemson, right? Brandon Cisse from South Carolina. There's another one. D'Angelo Pons. D'Angelo Pons before those two guys. We've got ranked 45. Tomorrow is going to be a blast, and then we'll get into the later portions of tomorrow, day two. And it's going to be fascinating, because I'm hearing all sorts of stuff. And I get it. They're backups. Why do we care, Todd? There's quarterbacks, because some people think absolutely Taylor Greene's going, and it could go in the second. Some teams are a lot higher on my guy, Cole Payton, than others. But the majority of people I talk to, it's two quarterbacks that I'm cool with. I'm good. Drew Aller, Penn State, Carson Beck, Miami. Carson Beck grew on me a little bit this year, and I get it. But he's going to go. He's probably going to go in the second from what I hear. Then Garrett Nussmeyer, who I just love. I got to think for, listen, I'm a 6'1 quarterback who sucked. So I'm rooting for the 6'1 quarterbacks who are good. Yeah. So we're back on at 3 PM Pacific. I love when Tucker does that to me. 6 PM Eastern, okay? And I want to give a special shout to everyone involved.

Speaker 1:
[258:16] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[258:17] Dan has been grinding around the clock. Tucker is phenomenal. We've got a group back here with Chris and the gang. Marissa, Jesse, Frias, Abou has been cutting clips nonstop for us. Marissa's been keeping us on top of everything. If you're on social tonight and you see the creativity and you see how quick things are coming out and see some of the stuff that's being produced, it ain't me. I think you know that about me right now. The graphics, the things that she's building, Abou with the clips that he does, those are things that are so far beyond anything that you and I are capable of doing.

Speaker 1:
[258:56] We said Dan, right?

Speaker 4:
[258:57] I started with Dan.

Speaker 1:
[258:58] Okay, good. I want to make sure.

Speaker 4:
[258:59] Started with Dan, yes.

Speaker 1:
[258:59] I want to make sure.

Speaker 4:
[259:00] Dan has poured everything he has into this thing. And everyone, from Bill Simmons, it was great being on his show the other day, and the support he has provided for this show. And you're even needling, like when Todd calls and asks for something, like he said, I buckle up. And it's not, because I believe so much in what we're doing.

Speaker 1:
[259:19] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[259:20] And the people that we're doing it with, that we need to take care of the people. And I think this product shows what we're just scratching the surface of. And even like Noah comes into our lives just a few weeks ago, and all of a sudden, we've got video and clips, and we're on the catapult. And there have been some, and my gosh, Conor. Conor, like, oversees all of this and has been an absolute wonderful human being to work with and has managed me when I needed to be managed, and both positively and negatively.

Speaker 1:
[259:51] What a fun job that is.

Speaker 4:
[259:52] I know. But he's just handled all of this. And I'm missing 10 other people, but we'll get to all of it tomorrow. But I just want to give a special shout to everyone, because this is an important night for us. And there are a lot of people who have been working on this, and we're pumped that you joined us for the show. We will be back tomorrow, as we said, 6 p.m. Eastern. The draft starts. It's round two and three on day two.

Speaker 1:
[260:17] It's Friday.

Speaker 4:
[260:18] It's back on Netflix. It's 6 p.m. We are going to be on. The draft starts at 7 p.m. Those are Eastern time. So 3 p.m. Pacific is when the draft starts. And two... No, am I getting that right?

Speaker 1:
[260:30] No, you're right.

Speaker 4:
[260:32] Yeah, we start at 3 Pacific and 4 Pacific is when we get going, when the draft gets going. And we got a lot of picks tomorrow night. They're gonna go fast again. Discord, go to McShay at McShay13. Just click the link. We'll be back tomorrow. Hey, don't tip picks. Come on, you got Colmarie kicked out of the Discord chat tonight because she's pissed off. I'm pissed off. Don't tip picks, Discord. No, no. But other than that, I'm pumped that everyone was there and we'll get more involved tomorrow night when things start to slow down here. But this was a wild first round. We enjoyed the hell out of it, man.

Speaker 1:
[261:07] That was so much fun.

Speaker 4:
[261:08] What do you got anything to say to everyone? I mean, I just, I was...

Speaker 1:
[261:12] Yeah, you just, you don't leave any space for me to say anything. You know what I mean?

Speaker 4:
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