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Speaker 1:
[00:21] Hello, everybody. Welcome back into Drama, Darling. We are going to be talking about Summer House today. Then we're going to head on into The Valley. And of course, before that, we have a little bit of serving dish to discuss. Joining me is Deanna Cheng. Deanna, you're looking alive today. It's a big Bravo day. How you feeling?

Speaker 2:
[00:42] Feeling good, feeling energized.

Speaker 1:
[00:44] First of all, let's hit ourselves with some dish. Serving dish. There was a rollout yesterday at an event called Hulu's Get Real House, which is like the up front for Hulu. And yeah, who knew? So this was a big deal because a lot of announcements were made and a lot of shows are coming our way. One of which is the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, Orange County. None of the Mormon wives from the original Mormon wives are in this. This is like a gaggle of what seemed to be like a couple dozen Mormon wives with several, what looks to me like several sets of twins per each wife, so many kids. They are, I am so excited about this. Don't ask me their names. You wouldn't know them. Well, there is one that we would know. It's Macy's sister, McCall. That's it. So there might be a little crossover there. I don't know. You know, all the rumors about Jen is going to have a spinoff. Macy's going to be there. Whitney, I'm not sure where they land. I'm thinking maybe they'll do like a Mormon wives in Los Angeles because they're not going to be in Orange County.

Speaker 2:
[02:01] They live in Orange County.

Speaker 1:
[02:02] Oh yeah. They live in Orange County. Yes.

Speaker 2:
[02:04] Interesting.

Speaker 1:
[02:05] Yeah. I know. I'm excited about that.

Speaker 2:
[02:08] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[02:09] Right. Also, Dancing with the Stars. Guess who's going to be on it? Ciara and Maura. Ting, ting, ting, ting, ting. She's going to be tinking all around the dance floor, Deanna.

Speaker 2:
[02:20] Who is she ever? Is she gonna? I really need both of them to lock in and to stay a while. Like they can't go out first.

Speaker 1:
[02:30] I really, really need them to stay.

Speaker 2:
[02:34] At least a couple episodes.

Speaker 1:
[02:36] Three, three. At least three.

Speaker 2:
[02:38] Three bare men. Like we can't have them in and out, you know?

Speaker 1:
[02:41] I think they're going to stay because they have such a fan base that we're going to keep them. I mean, look how far Ariana got.

Speaker 2:
[02:50] But she was incredible. I thought she tore it up there.

Speaker 1:
[02:53] Oh, she tore it up.

Speaker 2:
[02:54] Yes, she did great. So I don't know if either of these two can dance. I feel they can, based on one thing.

Speaker 1:
[03:00] Based on the fact that they've got charisma. So we'll just have to see.

Speaker 2:
[03:04] They've got the body for it.

Speaker 1:
[03:05] Hey, we just saw Ciara hanging off of a carousel at one of these summer house parties, and she was very flexible. So I don't think she's going to have a problem.

Speaker 2:
[03:16] So right there, you know, we're going to give her some points, and we're going to hopefully know. But I think this is perfect. I think she's going to have fun. It is the home of like, let's get, it's like, we want her on the Ariana track. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[03:31] This was the next step. I mean, I think that this was even in the cards for her trajectory that we've thrown out there. Like I know I mentioned, put her on Love Island, have her host something. But the fact that Maura and Sierra, I mean, it's just going to be great.

Speaker 2:
[03:48] Yeah. It's going to be our girls, really, really truly.

Speaker 1:
[03:51] Sierra was not there for this announcement. She, Maura was, but she was accepting this and excited about this. She was like, I'm in New York, tying up unfinished business because the Summer House reunion is filming today, Deanna. Filming today, I repeat, filming today and we have a seating chart. I repeat, we have a seating chart. I've been waiting all morning. Okay, we are looking at an unbelievable seating chart. And while we're speaking, there are probably tears falling from these people's eyes as we speak. There are fights happening right now. I mean, it's two o'clock in New York City. They are in the thick of it right now. So they're either, yeah, they either just came back from a lunch break or they just probably went on a lunch break. Okay, here we go.

Speaker 2:
[04:43] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[04:44] To Andy's right, to the right hand of the father is Ciara. And going down that side of the couch, we've got Kyle. Oh my God, Kyle's next to Ciara. Then we have Lindsay, Mia, Bailey and Ben heading on over to-

Speaker 2:
[05:03] I find Lindsay being right there seems odd to me.

Speaker 1:
[05:07] Well, she has seniority, you know, you got to put her up.

Speaker 2:
[05:09] You can't put her there. I don't think she's like moved the needle like that though.

Speaker 1:
[05:13] Oh, no, no, no. You know, but they do that. They put the veterans up. They have to. It's respect. I appreciate that. It is.

Speaker 2:
[05:21] Right. Those are all newbies below her. Okay.

Speaker 1:
[05:23] Absolutely.

Speaker 2:
[05:24] I'm gathered. I'm gathered.

Speaker 1:
[05:25] So then we head on over to the other side of the couch next to Andy, we have Amanda. Then we have West. Then we have Carl. Then we have Jessie, KJ. Dara and then Levi. So you're like, who is that?

Speaker 2:
[05:48] Again, at last.

Speaker 1:
[05:50] I know.

Speaker 2:
[05:50] The thing that also makes me laugh about these seating charts always is that because I'm missing a tooth in the back, these are always the exact shape of my smile directories. Stop right now. It is. It's my smile directories.

Speaker 1:
[06:10] You guys, this is Deanna's mouth. That is so cute.

Speaker 2:
[06:13] Welcome in. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[06:15] Yeah. You need another friend of back there. Like you need to get another friend.

Speaker 2:
[06:19] You need another newbie. Oh my God. These teeth, I can't.

Speaker 1:
[06:23] Well, and to that point, to that point, I say you get rid of Levi altogether. You don't need that one anyway. Who needs that? If you look across, if you look at this seating chart and then you look at who's across from who, this is so deep, okay? Because you have Amanda and Ciara that are across from each other. Then you have Kyle and West. Then you have Carl and Lindsay.

Speaker 2:
[06:52] That feels important.

Speaker 1:
[06:54] Yeah. Then the rest, it doesn't matter. But these six people is so deep.

Speaker 2:
[07:03] It's intense.

Speaker 1:
[07:06] I mean, I can't even believe this. Quite frankly, I would love to see Paige pop in and bounce out, Lindsay, and get to work.

Speaker 2:
[07:16] Yes. I would love her to punch the clock because we desperately need her. What a fun thing to do. What a fun way to flex your celebrity, to just be like, hi. No longer on the show. But what I am going to do is come in. I'm going to get a few words out nice and clean, and I'm going to direct it at those two. And they're going to hear me. Because no one else can read them down like I can.

Speaker 1:
[07:49] I don't know if you saw Jesse on Watch What Happens Live.

Speaker 2:
[07:52] I saw some of it.

Speaker 1:
[07:53] Oh man. To hear him say the answers to Andy's questions, which are like, when did you find out? I found out when everyone else found out from that joint statement. And he said that Amanda did apologize to him for lying over and over again. He's like, I sat with her for two hours and basically she lied to my face. And I was like, you just said two hours? That's very specific.

Speaker 2:
[08:22] Jesse is coming off great right now. I've got to say, this is really helping him. You never know who's going to rise to the top, but in my opinion, he's really coming across as, like last season he was sort of fboy.com and now I'm like, you're looking great buddy.

Speaker 1:
[08:44] Keep it up. I mean, truly, he's lucky. Also, Kyle, who would have thought Kyle would, he's barely squeaking by, but he's still looking good. You know?

Speaker 2:
[08:55] Well, what he could have looked like with the, he was, he was, that's why reality is so insane.

Speaker 1:
[09:02] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[09:03] Just when you're gathering yourself and, and bracing down for the hatred you're gonna get because the marriage is over, everyone's on Amanda's side. They want to see her sore.

Speaker 1:
[09:14] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[09:14] You are flipped it around and now here you are sitting pretty.

Speaker 1:
[09:20] Here you are sitting pretty and his business is thriving after all this that goes on. And Jesse on that same interview, when he was on Watch What Happens Live, said something like, he had talked to Paige and he's like, what did Paige say? And he's like, she gives really good advice. And it was just laughter all around because you can just imagine. Okay. And so Mia from Southern Hospitality was on Watch What Happens Live last night. And she spilled some tea about the timeline because she went out with West. And she was like, yeah, I saw Amanda at BravoCon in November. And she told me that she pre-gamed with West before our date, which was in September. So West and Amanda have said publicly that the time in which their relationship went from friends to lovers was February. That's the time stamp that they're looking at. They're saying February is when this happened of 2026. So you film last year, you're filming July, August, you know, just kind of wrapping up in September.

Speaker 2:
[10:39] I love when you get that because I can never do these numbers.

Speaker 1:
[10:42] I'm getting there.

Speaker 2:
[10:43] I can't ever.

Speaker 1:
[10:43] No, I got you. I got your back. So they're filming July, August. They're kind of wrapping up in September. So that's when I think things really started to heat up, is when West and Amanda were hanging out outside of the summer house. And if they were pre-gaming before this date, that means like who knows when it started. And so people are now saying, oh, it started way sooner. It's like that scandal ball thing. When did it start? When did it start? So she's basically saying her receipts are that it was probably starting earlier than they're saying. So that's out there.

Speaker 2:
[11:20] Let me ask you this. Is there an argument for them to say, well, if you guys, if he's going out on a date with another woman in September and Amanda's so on board that she's doing drinks and like pre-gaming with him, is there an argument that they weren't Yes, I agree. together during the summer at all, even though what we're seeing is like.

Speaker 1:
[11:47] Oh, during the summer. Yeah, I don't think they were together during the summer.

Speaker 2:
[11:50] Okay. See, I-

Speaker 1:
[11:52] In my opinion, what do you think?

Speaker 2:
[11:55] I went back and forth. Last night's episode, I was like, or this week's episode, I was just like, huh. I wonder, I could get behind something happened, but it was like quick and it wasn't full blown and it was like a kiss or something like that. Or like a little hook up.

Speaker 1:
[12:19] Kind of like when they were in the bathroom and he- I don't know if you saw this, but like it was on TikTok. And I hate not being able to reference content creators, but when he was comforting Amanda in the bathroom of Kyle and Amanda's room and he was like, she was crying and she's like, I just never thought I could do better than him, and Kyle, la, la, la, la. And he's talking very like quietly. Well, on this TikTok, they were like, why is West coming in there with a sock? A sock would be to cover the mic. So like, that's why when you said that, I'm like thinking, did he like kind of get in close and like kind of give her a little kiss? Because remember when he came out and she was in bed and he was like, Amanda, I love you. He was like, that's weird. So I could see them having like a little, I don't know, something, but still they're able to like back away from it.

Speaker 2:
[13:22] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[13:24] So anyway, I'm with you with September. Could it have been officially happening? I don't know. I feel like maybe not officially officially. So they're never gonna tell us.

Speaker 2:
[13:36] We might need Heather Gay on the on the case with her receipts timeline, you know? We really do. I would love to. Well, we're tapping in outside sources. You know, we need peace. We might need Heather Gay. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[13:48] Oh, my God. It's so funny. It's just so funny that like a timeline is so important to us because we don't want to get snowed by these people right under our very noses.

Speaker 2:
[13:59] Between Scandival and this, girls are gonna have a hard time trusting one another. Like honestly, this is so diabolical to see it with our own eyes, to watch you getting hyped up by a friend and supported and loved. And meanwhile, they're like, it is just, it's hard to believe.

Speaker 1:
[14:21] It is so intense. Now, let's circle back to that momentarily. Okay, Ariana and Ciara dropped a new commercial for Sonic, where they're sitting together. And this is like the duo that everybody's been waiting for, right?

Speaker 2:
[14:41] Right.

Speaker 1:
[14:42] And it's just very basically like Ariana's like, so what's been going on? Oh, nothing, said Ciara. Nothing at all. Nothing? Oh, no, nothing at all. And they just enjoy their Sonics.

Speaker 2:
[14:53] So that's funny.

Speaker 1:
[14:54] That's cute.

Speaker 2:
[14:55] Cute.

Speaker 1:
[14:56] It is super cute. Also in news is that Stassi Schroeder is going to be premiering her show in July on Hulu called House of Stassi, and it's co-starring Katie Maloney. Thoughts on that?

Speaker 2:
[15:12] Not for me. It's not for me.

Speaker 1:
[15:14] No?

Speaker 2:
[15:15] Stassi is not for me. I'm sorry. I don't go there with her. I'm sorry. I don't like it. I don't know why. I don't want to answer to it. I just don't care. I don't care about Stassi. And that is the truth for me. I don't, I'm not buying what she's selling because you know what? I don't think it's expensive enough. I think it's cheap. And I think that she wants me to think something about her that I don't think. I said nothing.

Speaker 1:
[15:45] I love it. No from a distance have had no real problem with her existing in her world and all that stuff. Why would I? Everyone's doing their own thing. But I agree. I won't be watching. She has her platform and I think she's got a really big following. I mean, a really huge following. So I think this is great for her fan base. And I think Vanderpump Villa was really an instrument to get her back into mainstream TV. I mean, she was such a huge piece of Vanderpump Rules. So I think on one level, seeing her in her regular routine might be an interesting watch. If you want to see it for a couple episodes. And then I think that's all that would, it would garner for me. But so that's going to be coming out in July. There's a show that's coming out called The Mob. And it's hosted by Parker Posey. It's a competition show. And you know who's going to be on it? Joe Gorga. Talk about just what two of the craziest names you never thought would be in the same sentence.

Speaker 2:
[16:52] We're going to put those together.

Speaker 1:
[16:54] Yeah. And Vanderpump Villa Reunion is airing on April 30th. I think that's all the stuff that we got out of that, out of this Get Real situation. OK. Jersey, they began season 15 filming. And guess where they reunited? Teresa, Melissa and Dolores. Rail Steakhouse.

Speaker 2:
[17:20] Thank you. That's exactly where I'd like to start, where we ended.

Speaker 1:
[17:26] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[17:27] You know, let's get back to Rails. With the knives away, yeah. We're going to Rails. Let's all be in the same room. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1:
[17:35] Yes, let's all. Anyway, that's all for news. I think it's important to move forward because we, as we were starting to dip into Summer House and what we're talking about over there, let's welcome ourselves in to Summer House Recap.

Speaker 2:
[17:48] Welcome in.

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Speaker 2:
[22:18] Keep it.

Speaker 1:
[22:19] Wow. Wow.

Speaker 2:
[22:21] Wow.

Speaker 1:
[22:22] Wow.

Speaker 2:
[22:23] It's- It is really diabolical. It's-

Speaker 1:
[22:28] Yeah. This word is going to sound very harsh. But like, is there a world that she's like a sociopath?

Speaker 2:
[22:36] There is always a- Allegedly? We always keep that door open, you know?

Speaker 1:
[22:41] Because like sometimes sociop- Actually, yeah, I think it's sociopath. A lot of people who don't have empathy, like they don't, they can't, they just don't, they weren't born like that sometimes. I think a sociopath actually doesn't have to be born. They can be kind of created by their environment, so that may not be applicable to her or whatever, but she may not be-

Speaker 2:
[23:03] But they can be born that way.

Speaker 1:
[23:04] They can be born? Oh, okay. I did see, this is the thing, I'm like wondering.

Speaker 2:
[23:08] At least based on like, okay, so that book, I think it's called Sociopath, it was written by a female, not that long ago, really good book. If you're interested in it. Yeah. And she was definitely born like that.

Speaker 1:
[23:24] Okay. For sure.

Speaker 2:
[23:25] And she's a functioning human, she's a therapist, she was in the music industry, she has kids and married and all of that. But you can't forget that she's a sociopath. And she is looking out for other sociopaths to be like, hey, we can, we need, there's other ways to manage this. But in terms of having empathy, that does not exist.

Speaker 1:
[23:54] Right.

Speaker 2:
[23:55] And she was like that from as a little girl. So her mom was like, what's happening? You know what I mean? But so I think that there is a world, you know, I also have seen so often when someone's been cheated on in my friendships and things like that, people who are just so diehard about like, cheating is horrible and would never do it, et cetera, et cetera. Once they've been cheated on, they do cheat.

Speaker 1:
[24:31] The floodgates are open.

Speaker 2:
[24:33] There is something I think psychologically where you want to gain that power back.

Speaker 1:
[24:39] That makes so much sense.

Speaker 2:
[24:42] So she could just be in that place and just-

Speaker 1:
[24:44] Just be broken and, you know, be at the pain that, I mean, she's been through it with Kyle. Like, she really has been through it with this guy. And this doesn't excuse anything. I'm just trying to wrap my head around it because after that scene last night, I'm like-

Speaker 2:
[24:59] It's bad.

Speaker 1:
[25:00] You just kind of think it was so recent that even her saying these words and it was such a slow burn to know that they were slowly but surely making their way towards each other. And I'm excluding West from this right now because we're looking at the friendship that we see here and you just think, wow, they have a really true friendship. And it's like, how would Amanda's- I'm just dying to hear what she's going to say on this reunion. Because they are together. They were out last night. West and Amanda were out like at a movie. Like they're- so are they gonna- what are they going to do? Just keep this relationship going and then he's gonna move on.

Speaker 2:
[25:44] I will say this, just- we're always looking at how the public reacts to things. And part of being a historian of these shows, you're watching everything from every angle. And I will say, I have learned from them. Because once you- I feel they have taken the air out of the hunt for them by just being out and about with each other. Like, there is a- that is a move and it's a PR related or whatever. If you're gonna be together and you are together-

Speaker 1:
[26:19] Go do it.

Speaker 2:
[26:20] Because then it does- like people are hunting you and crazed, but now that you've kind of taken control of that, it does take the energy out of it, at least in my opinion.

Speaker 1:
[26:32] I think you're right.

Speaker 2:
[26:34] Which I'm like, all right, you know, because we're gonna do like, go there together, like, okay. Right. There they go.

Speaker 1:
[26:41] I thought it was funny when people were like, oh, when Amanda had her statement that she's gonna move on and live a life, they were like, so I guess that means she's gonna go out with West. And I thought, well, it never didn't say that. I mean, it kind of makes sense. I think that is what she was saying. I'm going to live my truth. So she either just fell, I think she fell so hard in love with him. And at the same time, has no feeling whatsoever for how she would hurt another person and is sacrificing that friendship for this person. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[27:17] But that's why she is like that cool girl, pick me girl who kind of craves attention and wants to be like her priority is dudes. At the end of the day, like I think that she presents as a girl's girl, but being a girlfriend and being a cool girl to the guy, I think is more of her focus.

Speaker 1:
[27:46] It's a girl's girl like by default because of the situation that they're in a summer house and they're kind of forced to be around each other and make connections and have these feelings of friendship and stuff like that. But when she went to, she and Kyle went to the dog rescue to help West and they had that conversation where she's like, you've been such a great friend to me like all summer, like been there for me and it's really hard to see how you're treating Ciara. It just felt like you would believe her. I'm just like, I totally believe her in this moment. So is it possible that she really does mean all of this? And then she then she just completely fucked up.

Speaker 2:
[28:29] I don't buy that entirely. I think they had something cooking over the summer. I will go pretty hard in on that. Like, I think that because it was a cover, it also could have been a cover because she's still married to Kyle. So they may have used this thing as a cover so they could kind of hang out.

Speaker 1:
[28:53] Yeah. It's like an excuse. It's like why she went over to him and said, like, can I get in here? What are you doing? Let me ask you this. So I really was, I dissected pretty hard the last scene, you know, between Ciara and West when all of a sudden we got some cello music. I was like, why? And I thought, is it because West is so sleepy that they needed to like, really bring in the big guns of the music to help this situation out? But so the way I dissected that, first of all, Ciara is such an incredible soul from the scene at the very beginning, to this scene with West, to the psychic scene with Mia. She is, yes, she is like the realest of the real.

Speaker 2:
[29:54] Like the psychic scene was like, that's a friend. That's like show, don't tell. You're showing me. She's emotional, she's with her friend. She's there, she's a support. You don't need to talk about it, she's doing it. That's real.

Speaker 1:
[30:09] And she shares her real feelings all the time. And like when she's talking to West, you'd think, I really had no judgment for her being stuck, still being stuck kind of in love with him. You see that she's kind of still in love with him.

Speaker 2:
[30:24] She's still in love with him.

Speaker 1:
[30:24] And I have zero judgment for that. She's super young. He did a number on her, like he's done tons of women. When he is like saying, I don't like bringing her to his home, he just thinks that's like no big deal because he's probably brought so many girls there, right? But for someone who isn't just any other, any bimbo, you know, that you can walk through your parents' house and walk out and they're just going to not care, she is a deeply feeling person who had very deep feelings for him. And he really did not see that, just thinks everything is such a whim and he's there for a good time, not a long time. And for him to acknowledge that he didn't see the weight of that, I thought was important. So then to think like she said, two years of nothing being said and I was like, oh my God, it has been so long, like and we're still here. So that's why even the last week I was like, I had no problem with West having a girl on his lap and I still don't. I really don't like her not moving on from him is not his problem. Him being insensitive and having that girl on his lap is such a dick move. That's straight up the facts. But also they haven't. That's been two years.

Speaker 2:
[31:47] Right.

Speaker 1:
[31:48] So that being said, she has not moved on. She still has feelings for him. And this whole discussion, it was him trying to make sure that she knew. We are going to be friends if you want me to be friends. But I friend zoned you years ago. You've never moved out of that spot. And you're going to stay there because my eyes are on Amanda. That's how I saw it. Everything he said was like, he cleared up the speaking to the press.

Speaker 2:
[32:22] See that to me, yeah. That speaking to, I was like all cap screaming with the press thing. Because that's to me where if I were Sierra and if I was her friend, I would scream to her every day, put this dude in your rear view. He went as a first time cast member, somehow managed to make a statement. Was it like the New York Times or something along those lines? Yeah, tearing you down and your experience. Like he is not to be trusted.

Speaker 1:
[32:57] No, God, no.

Speaker 2:
[32:58] Full stop. It's insane what measures he took. His only goal in life is to move around so he can feel as comfortable to do whatever he wants. That's his problem with her.

Speaker 1:
[33:17] Yeah. Is that she's holding him accountable for these big sweeping moves and gestures for when they were dating.

Speaker 2:
[33:28] And so like this best friend thing, I'm like, that's not a best friend.

Speaker 1:
[33:32] It's bullshit. I'll be your best friend tomorrow.

Speaker 2:
[33:34] She still loves him and it's hard.

Speaker 1:
[33:38] I know. Because he's going about it like he's such a player. Like he his swagger and his charm is like insurmountable to her and to many other people, I think, including Amanda.

Speaker 2:
[33:54] Lord have mercy.

Speaker 1:
[33:55] I know, but like we're not also not.

Speaker 2:
[33:56] Let's get it together, ladies.

Speaker 1:
[33:58] We're also not there when he's saying and doing like, right, we have, we have.

Speaker 2:
[34:04] Been there. I'm just like, let's get it, let's gather ourselves, okay?

Speaker 1:
[34:11] It's like.

Speaker 2:
[34:12] He's getting wasted and we're having real serious feelings and conversations about this like goofball, you know? Yeah, guys who, who, who are players, they don't have to, they're so available to be your, your best friend and have fun with you and all of that. Cause they're just, it's light and breezy. They're going to be here and they're going to be gone. He's not your best friend.

Speaker 1:
[34:40] And I also thought he really put it back on her for why he said that in the, in the article, you know, he was like, you weren't talking to me, you know, you weren't communicating. And I was like, Ooh, he's like, I felt under attack. I was defending myself and why wouldn't I try to distance myself from someone who everyone is accusing me of treating poorly. And I thought that's no, that's not the answer. You don't, you can distance yourself from that person. It doesn't mean you need to insult them and humiliate them in the public. So I thought that he really, and then she responded in like, she's like the kindest person and this is where it's a problem. And this is where she has to work on this stuff. I've had to work on it too, Sierra. So like, I see, I see you. She says, I take accountability for not being there for you when you needed it. It's like, no, Sierra, you don't need to fucking take accountability for anything for him. And then I also appreciated her saying, this wouldn't be the case if we didn't have all these cameras and the fans, it would be a lot simpler. It would be maybe a little more simpler, but I don't know. I think it would be the same. I think that people would know about it, but she would still be feeling the same way.

Speaker 2:
[35:52] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[35:52] And she would be still in this limbo position, not being able to get over him until she got the Tom Sandoval treatment. And now she's going to go on Dancing with the Stars and move forward with her life.

Speaker 2:
[36:04] But Amy, can I just tell you one thing that's just coming up for me right now? It's like, okay, so he's a good time Charlie. I've used that phrase only here. Okay, that's the only time I say good time Charlie is here on the show.

Speaker 1:
[36:18] Thank you for that.

Speaker 2:
[36:18] He's a good time Charlie. I don't know why. It just, he's fun. You're having a great time with him. He's this great, like best friend. You're connecting. He knows about that. But we cannot in one hand hold that he's fun and light and silly and cool. And when he's back is against the wall a little bit, he goes to the press in such a significant and extreme way for a takedown piece on you. Those two things we cannot square with. You have to see that that is who he is. That's who he is.

Speaker 1:
[37:06] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[37:08] Not if he's light, bright and fun, that person doesn't do that. So he is not this sort of frivolous person. He's a person who takes big swings and makes big moves.

Speaker 1:
[37:25] Yeah. And he's reckless and free and he's just swinging that D all around town. Yeah. So he's like, I see you more. And that's when those cellos started up. I know.

Speaker 2:
[37:36] I'm so mad that he said that. I'm like, he knows that that person.

Speaker 1:
[37:39] He knows. I know. I thought it was so manipulative and she was like, that's all I wanted. And then here's where, this is where he is planning and wanting to make sure he plants the seeds properly. Because he knows, he knows that he could get her back at any second. He knows that. And he does not want her to think that he will ever do that again because his eyes are on Amanda. So he has to say, you know, I'm happier when we communicate, like he wants to be, he wants to bring her in as a friend. And she, free to be. And he's like, we should move forward to whatever boundaries you want. And he's saying, instead of him saying, I want boundaries of making sure that we're friends, I'm going to put it on you because that's the easy way out. She's got to do the work. And I'm going to say, you have your boundaries so that I have all my excuses later. If in fact, I get with another girl or if I even get with Amanda, whatever. That I have said that you're the one who wants boundaries and we have decided that we are friends.

Speaker 2:
[39:00] Friends, full stop.

Speaker 1:
[39:02] Full stop. I could be your best friend tomorrow. And that's all we'll ever be. Can we just be friends again? She said, and then she says, I knew he goes, I knew you weren't going to make out with Jessie. They're having a light moment. And she's like, I'm pissed that you said you didn't care. Here we are again. You're now friends and you're still vying for this guy. And he goes, what was I going to do? Save me. She was waiting for him this whole time. She's been waiting for him last summer. She was waiting for him this past summer. And he moved on. And the only reason I believe now when he was scooching over to her that night when it was like the spin the bottle thing is because Amanda kissed Kyle and he was, they're playing games. They're playing games in our faces and in their faces. And they think it's like innocent because nothing will really happen because she's married. But they pushed it to the limit.

Speaker 2:
[40:01] No, it's, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[40:03] It's the ultimate, like, game. It's the ultimate sex game for somebody like West who seems like a sex addict or at least addicted to the game of women and the way that he can play and have his way. This is the ultimate.

Speaker 2:
[40:21] Yeah. Even that girl Mia was like, we had fun. Like, he's a fun guy. You're going to have a good time with him, but it's dangerous if you have a feeling bubble up. Oh my God, Amy. I can't take it.

Speaker 1:
[40:37] I'm like thinking about his childhood because I'm wondering if he, I know he played football and I know he was, he seems like in high school, he may have been popular, but I'm thinking about his early childhood. Did he have some major self-esteem issues with like stuff? And then when he got to high school, he was able to turn that around because when you have inadequacies or self-esteem issues, you lean into something. And like, for example, humor, and he became like the funny guy, right?

Speaker 2:
[41:22] Right.

Speaker 1:
[41:24] So now he can get all these gals this way. So he's making up for maybe he was bullied. Maybe he knows what issues he had when he was really young. That's what I want to know. Because this is coming from somewhere.

Speaker 2:
[41:40] And listen, you know, he's young enough, like you can be in your player phase and be, but you but then you can't bring people home and then you can't like have these deep. He's playing both sides. That's where it gets really tricky. Like, like that guy who was on last year who was a legitimate sex addict. He was very, that's such an extreme version, but he made no bones about it, right? Like he did not, he was not trying to see people and have relationships. He's in it for sex or like a good time. But like, if you set it up at the top and you're like, I'm not looking for anything, just know that. But if that works for you, yeah, let's go out and have fun. You know, I don't really have a problem with that, especially when he's like, is he in his early thirties? He's still in that zone. Yeah, it's not a crime. No, but it's this other stuff.

Speaker 1:
[42:41] But it's where because this is next level, like this is on TV. This is involving somebody. And not to mention, and I know that we haven't even talked too much about this. But when this all came out, I thought, oh my God, like they just, they had this conversation about supporting Ciara as one of the first black women in the Summer House and how she feels. She basically said, I don't want to be fetishized by you guys and that's how I kind of feel like you all want to experience me. And that's making me feel weird and very used. And you don't understand like what I deal with from a race perspective and then the interracial thing and then the DMs she's getting. And then it's like they had this conversation about, we support you and then it's like she got fucking played again by like her best friend.

Speaker 2:
[43:36] Yikes.

Speaker 1:
[43:36] It's really sickening. There's that whole other aspect of it that puts it at another level.

Speaker 2:
[43:42] She's communicated all of this, you know, and they don't care.

Speaker 1:
[43:47] Yeah, they just shit all over her. They just shit all over her.

Speaker 2:
[43:54] It's insane. She will, I do feel she will in like a year, she is going to turn a page on this.

Speaker 1:
[44:04] I don't know. I think it's going to take a long time. Do you think it's going to be a year?

Speaker 2:
[44:08] I think that she's going to watch this back and have her reunion and all of this and feel all the love. And I think that she will turn a page on this, the way of this, looking at these types of guys. I do.

Speaker 1:
[44:29] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[44:29] I do. I think that like they are easier when you don't feel you're worth more.

Speaker 1:
[44:37] I feel so sad right now. I feel really sad for her. I'm wondering what's happening at the reunion. Like, if Amanda...

Speaker 2:
[44:45] Is he going to speak or is he going to sit there like this? Because if he sits there like this, then I'm going to get physical with him. Like, that's when I'm going to flip him on the street. Like, you gotta open those thin lips and start yapping.

Speaker 1:
[45:00] Like, he can barely speak and articulate his emotions, let alone an entire reunion that will be about him. Kyle, I hope Kyle gets fucking angry. That's what I want. I want to see Kyle angry. I want to see Ciara strong, empowered, and read them for filth. And I want to see from Amanda, I fell in love with him and I have no regrets. And here's why, because that's the only way we can move, get to the other side of this, is if we move through it and she says, there's nothing else I can say other than I could not control my emotions and I've never felt this way about somebody. And I was lost and confused in my marriage and he was there for me. And it may have been a bad decision, but I couldn't help myself.

Speaker 2:
[46:00] Listen, she could say all of that, but what she didn't do was have a conversation about that with Amanda, with Ciara, and therein lies where you can have feelings come up, you can say, but you still have to say to the person, this is insane. I don't even know how to say this to you, but I'm having feelings for West and I think I'm going to move forward with them. And I just want to give you the respect. I know it's not easy, but guess what?

Speaker 1:
[46:33] Which it wouldn't change anything. It would.

Speaker 2:
[46:37] It does, actually. It changes. It gives the person, yeah, it's actually, at least you gave her the respect of having the conversation because if you fell in love with him and you're going forward, you know this is going to come out. So you're comfortable with it just slapping her across the face whenever it comes out. It is the wrong thing to do and it is the childish and immature and like stupid thing to do. And she should, all the repercussions that come with that are like, yeah, why didn't you have a conversation with her? Hey, listen, maybe we'll find out she did. We don't know yet.

Speaker 1:
[47:25] Oh, she did. She sure has held in.

Speaker 2:
[47:27] But we'll see. Maybe there's something we don't know. But that's like, you have a real relationship with Ciara.

Speaker 1:
[47:35] Yeah. I mean, at least we thought. Well, you do, you do.

Speaker 2:
[47:42] Well, then if you don't, then that's psycho.

Speaker 1:
[47:45] Yeah, well, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[47:47] Where do we land with Hanna Berner and, because I wasn't really dropped in to her drama with Amanda. Does this give us anything to Hanna's side or do we just stay neutral? We don't care.

Speaker 1:
[48:00] I mean, I don't even remember what their issues were, but it does. Paige is definitely going to be over there. Yeah. Big time points, big time points. You know? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I think that's all that we can really discuss right now. I just I hope there's some leaks. I never want leaks from reunions, but I really want some leaks from this because I can't wait.

Speaker 2:
[48:23] When do we know we'll have an air date? Is it next week or no? This isn't the season.

Speaker 1:
[48:28] So it'll probably be. Yeah, it'll probably be two or three weeks. That's my guess.

Speaker 2:
[48:32] It's far.

Speaker 1:
[48:33] I know.

Speaker 2:
[48:34] It's very far.

Speaker 1:
[48:35] Yeah. Okay. All right. We have to wrap that up.

Speaker 2:
[48:40] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
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Speaker 2:
[53:49] Right.

Speaker 1:
[53:50] So Danny kind of laughed it off like, well, I mean, which I thought, I know he doesn't have the capability to probably do it at that point. But if I were him, I would have said, you did like, tell me more, please, because that's kind of like what we need. That's all he's wanted this whole time was for someone to say, I wish I didn't mean to use those words. And he was kind of giving him that.

Speaker 2:
[54:17] Yes. I mean, so did he grab Jasmine's ass?

Speaker 1:
[54:22] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[54:23] See, like that is technically sexual assault.

Speaker 1:
[54:26] It is. No, it is.

Speaker 2:
[54:27] So they didn't use a word that is wrong.

Speaker 1:
[54:30] No, they didn't.

Speaker 2:
[54:31] And so there is that. And I understand, especially for like Gen X and above, like it's we're like, yeah, it's a pat on the ass big deal.

Speaker 1:
[54:42] Right. Right.

Speaker 2:
[54:42] But that is sexual assault.

Speaker 1:
[54:44] No, it is 100 percent. We all are in agreement about that.

Speaker 2:
[54:48] I know. But so it's what is our argument then, Danny? I understand that that's hard to hear. And I understand that you don't want to hear it and that you don't want that label. And that's fair that you don't want that label. But you could also say, I actually am really now fully aware that does fall under the category of sexual assault, which is so painful for me. But you guys doubling, tripling down on that sucked.

Speaker 1:
[55:17] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[55:18] But we're just like at the table.

Speaker 1:
[55:20] Yeah, we're batting around.

Speaker 2:
[55:21] Not, you know, as if that's not what happened.

Speaker 1:
[55:25] I agree. And that's why I think Danny got more than he even probably thought it. I thought he was even ever going to get. I think he should have jumped on that and said, thank you. And like took the bone and ran with it is what I should, what I think. And totally. But if he did say what you just said, what he could have done, the headlines would have been Dan, Danny accepts sexual assault responsibility. And that's just that's that's life ruining. And that's what that's the levity of this is, I'm sorry, not levity. That's the, that's the weight of this because you're on TV and you have a family and a life. And so when someone labels you sexual assaulting somebody, you also have, you could get in trouble with the law. Cause if the law, if the sheriff comes from Santa Clarita.

Speaker 2:
[56:19] Yeah, sure. Sure. Clarita knocks on your door.

Speaker 1:
[56:23] Yeah. But what I think that's why he's not going to admit it.

Speaker 2:
[56:28] But he has admitted it though. So it's like we're in a space that's like La La Land because whether you say it out loud and proud or not, like that is what happened.

Speaker 1:
[56:40] And I think maybe his point is he's apologized to Jasmine and her partner multiple times. Right. Off camera, on camera.

Speaker 2:
[56:52] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[56:52] Like all this stuff. And so that's, I don't know how we put this to bed, but here we are.

Speaker 2:
[56:58] Here's my beef with him for this whole scene. And I hear you like, yes, to tap to yes and what you're saying about, he should have just taken that bone.

Speaker 1:
[57:09] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[57:10] He's coming in arrogant. Also, sorry buddy, with love, you are not interesting enough, significant enough, or have enough time under your belt to get to not talk to people on the cast.

Speaker 1:
[57:26] Right.

Speaker 2:
[57:26] Sorry.

Speaker 1:
[57:27] Yeah. You're absolutely right. No, thank you. It's not gonna fly because when we're watching this show, I was thinking last time, I'm like, eww, how are we gonna get through this? I'm really enjoying Kristen and her parenting journey. I think it's very vulnerable and transparent. That scene with Jasmine and Kristen and Brittany at the restaurant and Kristen was just bereft. And the salad, I just, I felt so bad for her because, you know, she has all this outside pressure and, you know, the weight of the world and her being so, feeling so uncomfortable in her body. It's just so real and just feel bad, you know? You just want to hug her and be like, no, you're beautiful. You're doing so good.

Speaker 2:
[58:11] And she does look beautiful. Like she actually does look gorgeous right now. You know, that's the irony of it all is she really looks beautiful.

Speaker 1:
[58:19] I mean, her going out and being like, I, you can't be hung over and wake up in the morning and take care of a baby. Like that's not an option. Just like, this is Kristen Doty. It's just fun to see.

Speaker 2:
[58:29] It is. I agree. I thought that it just so it does still feel like a crime to have cameras rolling this soon. Yeah. Yeah. Like I just am like, oh, I feel you on that now.

Speaker 1:
[58:41] Like I as much as I appreciate the transparency, I am starting to feel like too vulnerable for her. And I do feel like it is too soon. So I give you that 100 percent.

Speaker 2:
[58:53] But I did think like Jasmine wasn't getting it around that table. She wasn't understanding where Kristen was coming from because Kristen's like, I am completely uncomfortable in my body and Jasmine's like, and if you want to do more of this, like getting out and like, and she was like, what I'm saying is I never want to leave my house again. She wasn't getting it. This is not helpful. I don't like it here. I want to be home. She was like, so anytime, girl, sweet. I'm like, Jasmine, you're not getting it.

Speaker 1:
[59:21] No, I know. I thought that was really funny. And Brittany's like, okay, girl, you're gonna be fine, just fine. Because Brittany had to deal with a whole other slew. Like feeling uncomfortable in her body was like the least of her worries when she had her baby because of Jack. So she can't fully drop into that either.

Speaker 2:
[59:41] And neither of them were like fully knowing what she was dealing with. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[59:48] Schwartz being set up with Natalie and then having that nail salon tech just bounce in and like lollipop cock block that situation was so bizarre and very unexpected. And the cast being like, what the hell, Lala being like, she just dropped in.

Speaker 2:
[60:07] And didn't leave. I mean, this girl, did producers bring her in?

Speaker 1:
[60:13] Honestly, I feel like they didn't. I don't know. I could be wrong.

Speaker 2:
[60:19] She got very cozy with Lala and Michelle. I'm like, was she miked up? What's happening?

Speaker 1:
[60:26] I can't remember. But it's possible when she was at the nail salon, she said to the producers when she was like, don't, yeah, can I show, where are you guys going to be tonight for real? And they're like, oh my God, totally show up, like totally show up.

Speaker 2:
[60:41] Yeah, I mean, I wonder just because she sidled in, like Lala is not a presence, a welcoming presence. So to not catch the vibes of like bye.

Speaker 1:
[60:53] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[60:53] They were fully saying, you know, this shitsy thing made me laugh, but like they were like, get out of here, you're ruining everything.

Speaker 1:
[61:03] Yeah. And I mean, she knew that he was being set up.

Speaker 2:
[61:08] It was weird, but kind of funny. That was like, I enjoyed that. I enjoyed the watching Schwartz terribly attempt to navigate. I mean, his game, he's so lucky he's cute because his game is.

Speaker 1:
[61:27] Yeah, it's rough around the edges. Yeah, it's never gonna get there. Well, Kristen and Luke at the very end, agreeing on their couple's night to go to couple's counseling was interesting. And I love that Kristen was like, I don't wanna fight around Kaia, so we're gonna go out and have our argument here and I'm gonna leave this bar. But then also it is interesting. I didn't realize that they weren't really getting along that well, because you hear about, oh, before, like when she was pregnant, during and now after. And she's saying like, you've complained this whole time. And I thought you were gonna leave me. And I was like, oh, geez, this is not good. So I'm glad they're going.

Speaker 2:
[62:08] I don't care for him.

Speaker 1:
[62:10] Yeah, he's rubbing me the wrong way.

Speaker 2:
[62:13] I haven't ever cared for him. And he threw, I shkiv him. And so that's just, I don't see them as a match. I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 1:
[62:27] Yeah, I don't know. I'm just worried because I don't, if she loves him, I really want them to work it out. So.

Speaker 2:
[62:33] Sure.

Speaker 1:
[62:35] A little bit. But I am concerned.

Speaker 2:
[62:37] Very concerned. By the way, they were at, I'm like, this bar looks familiar. When it panned outside to the Fox Fire, this show is bringing me deep cuts. This is such a hole in the wall in the valley.

Speaker 1:
[62:49] It is because I haven't been there.

Speaker 2:
[62:53] You wouldn't be there, you know what I mean? It's such a, I feel like a man bar and it's in the valley and it's just a deeper cut. It's just such a hole in the wall type vibe.

Speaker 1:
[63:05] These places that they're going to. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[63:08] I'm like, whoa, we're at the Firefox. That was like bringing back memories. I mean, weird. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[63:15] That's amazing. I saw that sign and I was like, don't recognize it.

Speaker 2:
[63:20] Yeah. Like my, I had friends who lived over there. And so that's a place I went to several times, you know, but, but it just does like, I don't know. It's just, it wouldn't be somewhere. But Kristen has that in her though. I feel like she's most comfortable, I think, like a Firefox, you know?

Speaker 1:
[63:42] I like a hole in the wall kind of bar, you know?

Speaker 2:
[63:44] I can.

Speaker 1:
[63:45] It reminds me of very Detroit adjacent.

Speaker 2:
[63:48] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[63:48] Like during that time. Yeah. All right. Well, listen, what a journey we've had today. Thank you for going, sifting through all this stuff with me, Deanna Cheng. Also, I had the pleasure of being a guest on your podcast, your offshoot podcast with Bitch Sesh.

Speaker 2:
[64:05] Yeah. I'm guest hosting. They, Casey Wilson and Danielle Schneider have a show called Bitch Sesh. And under the umbrella of that show, which is called, their umbrella is called Garbage World, they're doing something called Rewind Sesh. So they're bringing in, this is the second installment and they're bringing in people to host the season. So we are, I'm going back and looking at Real Housewives of New York Season Three, the Scary Island Season.

Speaker 1:
[64:36] Wow.

Speaker 2:
[64:37] And Amy was kind enough to come and she got this, you know, honored enough. She talked through the actual Scary Island episodes.

Speaker 1:
[64:43] Oh man.

Speaker 2:
[64:45] And wow is it like guys, if you wanna make your way over to garbageworld.com, great. If you just wanna watch those episodes again, there's so much history in Season Three. It is the season of our lives. It's like we are, you know, these are the foundational blocks that make up who we are. And it's just really wild.

Speaker 1:
[65:03] It's part of our DNA.

Speaker 2:
[65:05] It is. It's why we're here today. Truly so crazy.

Speaker 1:
[65:11] Well, thank you for having me for that. That was so fun.

Speaker 2:
[65:14] It was really fun.

Speaker 1:
[65:15] Thank you for coming on. You can follow Deanna Cheng at Deanna M. Cheng over on Instagram. And you can head on over to patreon.com/drama, Darling. Thanks for listening, you guys. Bye.