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Speaker 1:
[00:13] Welcome to Beyond The Ring, a podcast that covers all things in the stock show industry from the informative to the insane, starring Ryan Rash.

Speaker 2:
[00:24] It's me and my unhealthy sleep patterns against the world.

Speaker 1:
[00:28] And Dale Hummel.

Speaker 3:
[00:29] Learn it, live it, win it.

Speaker 1:
[00:32] Now on with the show.

Speaker 3:
[00:34] Welcome to Beyond The Ring. This is Dale Hummel with COESAR, Ryan Rash.

Speaker 2:
[00:39] Hello, hello, hello.

Speaker 3:
[00:43] We also have Chase today, Ryan. It will be kind of a special day for us. And he has some information. He was very impatient to share with me a couple of days ago. So I told him we could bring it on to our current events. But before we do that, I'm going to talk about one thing that keeps me up at night, Ryan. There's a lot of things that are on my mind. China is this. This ties to China indirectly. Shocking. One nuclear missile. What do I mean by one nuclear missile? If we have one nuclear missile and the conversation about everything else, every border dispute, every trade war, every political movement, everything else combined is over, not paused. It's over. There's no rebuilding from a nuclear war. Think about it this way. If Trump were to allow Iran to have that one nuclear missile, they're crazy enough to use it. There's no question in my mind that they are that crazy. They shoot one nuclear missile off, let's say it's in Europe, France, wherever, they retaliate with one. Once nuclear missiles are in the air, there's no pulling back. We have programs out there. I think Chase had mentioned to me last week that Russia's program is not even a manual ignition of that nuclear weapon. It's automatic if there's a nuclear weapon coming that direction. It's over if they were to launch one. So we have to put everything into perspective here just a little bit, because Trump's catching a lot of shit, and it's not good for the upcoming midterms. But in general, there's a lot of followers of his that are losing some faith, and the mainstream media will never give him credit. Obviously, we're aware of that. The career politicians don't see it the same way that he does. I believe Trump is absolutely focused on the fact that if he allows Iran to have nuclear weapons or a nuclear missile, the game's over for the world, not just in that area, not just those things. So all of its aggressive, unconventional, controversial moves that he's making, that people are questioning, I don't know that there's another direction. I don't think I can calculate another way to stop Iran from having this. He has to go over the top like he is. And at times, I'm thinking, gosh dang, pull it in a little bit. But when I stop and think about the bottom line, he's saving the world, and nobody wants to talk about or say it out loud, that if we allow them to have that nuclear weapon, they're not the type of people that won't use it. Let's look at it this way. The doctrine of mutually-assumed destruction has kept everything in check for over 80 years. That doctrine only works when both sides want to survive. Iran's leadership, at least the past 47 years, and I understand that I told is gone, but it appears as though there's plenty of replacements. They've demonstrated repeatedly they're not operating on a survival calculus the way Russia or China would be. They're operating in an ideological mindset that we don't comprehend. A nuclear-armed Iran is a deterrent. It's not like Russia having nuclear weapons or us having nuclear weapons. It's not a deterrence. It's basically a time clock, and that countdown is going to end at some point, and they're going to launch it. And when that happens, everything else is done. So I don't think that our buddy Trump fears many things, but he is fearful of that, and he's not going to let that happen. So for him, it's just, it's not, here's a little foreign policy issue. It isn't his entire foreign policy right now, and I'm okay with it. And I know a lot of the world is questioning, and a lot of actual Trump supporters are questioning what he's doing. And I'll pick on Trump for saying stupid shit and the biggest and the best and all those things, but I'm with him on this one. And I don't have a better way of stopping them than what he's doing. I wish there was, and I wish it wasn't as messy. I wish it wasn't as loud and more professionally conducted, but I don't know that that's possible to get the same end goal. So I'm giving him a pat on the back this morning, and Ryan, you say that I pick on him. I don't like him. I'm not a Trump supporter. I can assure you that I am. I don't like a lot of the rhetoric that comes with it, but if it's going to put ourselves in the position to make a safer planet, I'm all in. That's my rant for the day. I'm done.

Speaker 2:
[05:19] Lovely. Next.

Speaker 3:
[05:21] You don't worry about things like this.

Speaker 2:
[05:23] How? Because there is nothing I can do.

Speaker 3:
[05:27] It doesn't matter whether you can do anything about it. You should at least think about it.

Speaker 2:
[05:32] Worrying cause wrinkles, and that increases my Botox bill. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3:
[05:37] Chase, do you have any opinion on it?

Speaker 1:
[05:39] I mean, you kind of hit the nail on the head that, yes, I wish that Trump would say- I mean, it's not even about that. I worry about this, and I don't want America to be tied up in another Middle East forever war because those are horrible, frankly. They're horrible for everybody. But the honest truth is, yeah, if Iran gets nuclear missiles, everybody's kind of geopolitically screwed because if anybody's going to be willing to kick off, you know, the end of all days with a nuclear strike, it's probably those guys. But it's just kind of one of those things where all you can do is keep kicking over their sandcastle. You look like a bad guy for kicking over their sandcastle, but you got it or else, you know, everybody's screwed.

Speaker 2:
[06:20] You realize that bringing the sandcastle into it sounds very racist, Chase.

Speaker 1:
[06:25] What's not about them being sandy? It's about like a bigger power stomping on a little power.

Speaker 2:
[06:29] I'm just saying, just trying to keep it.

Speaker 3:
[06:32] Do you realize that if one nuclear missile is launched?

Speaker 2:
[06:36] Do you not think that I realize what a nuclear missile is?

Speaker 3:
[06:38] I don't think you can stop the others.

Speaker 1:
[06:41] I think you really just kind of pray and hope and bank that not everybody is going to launch if one crazy person does, and that maybe somebody's interceptor system gets it first.

Speaker 2:
[06:52] Which also, Dale's all fired up and his tail is wagging today. When this started months ago, I was the one that said this basically and you've said nothing. So I don't know why it took you a month and a half to get to this.

Speaker 3:
[07:08] I'm speaking up now because of all the negative that Trump's catching over it. I didn't anticipate that from his supporters.

Speaker 2:
[07:16] I told you as soon as it started, I was fine if he wiped them off the face of the planet.

Speaker 3:
[07:21] So I was for you. I feel for the Iranian people. I can't imagine they're on board with the regime.

Speaker 2:
[07:29] Obviously, you know what? They can leave.

Speaker 3:
[07:32] They tried to do. They tried to stand up. They tried to stand up for it. And what happened? I don't know that they can leave. I do not know that they physically.

Speaker 2:
[07:40] They have vehicles and they have planes.

Speaker 3:
[07:43] I don't know that they can afford to get on a plane. A lot of them don't have a vehicle. I don't even know that they can walk with their way out of it. I don't know. Chase, do you know?

Speaker 1:
[07:53] Probably with you. I mean, I don't think Iran's on particularly good standing with all our neighbors. So I doubt that a lot of them are going to be accepting refugees, and on top of that, I mean, think about a lot of women and children, like they got to, what the man of the house says, they've got to follow to the end. So there's probably a non-insignificant portion of these wives and children that aren't about staying, but their overproud husband makes the final call.

Speaker 2:
[08:19] It doesn't matter. I can't go anywhere. They throw gays off roofs.

Speaker 3:
[08:22] So yes, you of all people.

Speaker 2:
[08:24] That's what I said like a month and a half ago. I was totally fine if he wiped out this entire country off the planet.

Speaker 3:
[08:30] But we don't want to wipe out the people. I think they're, I'm confident they're good. There are good people there. How many million did the regime kill not that long ago when they stood up? Obviously, there's people that oppose what this regime has done. So that's my-

Speaker 2:
[08:46] People that oppose everything in every country around the world, whether it's a democracy or a dictatorship.

Speaker 3:
[08:54] Opposing this regime is, I mean, they killed millions of people for just that. I have a hard time taking them out when- That's the fine line that Trump's- I mean, it would be easy to take the whole country out, easier than what he's doing.

Speaker 2:
[09:08] I'm just saying, I was- I don't know. It was a month and a half ago.

Speaker 3:
[09:11] And we're talking about taking out the infrastructure, the energy, the bridges. I don't doubt that's what we're going to end up doing. And the sad thing is we're going to end up rebuilding all of the form. And that's good if it's a different regime. It's one that we can get along with, but that's hard.

Speaker 2:
[09:27] Now, that's where I disagree. Because you're going to rebuild it, and then some other crazy terrorist is going to get control and then we're back at square one.

Speaker 3:
[09:35] No, I think that's the difficulty. I don't know that we can have a regime in there that's Western-friendly, even if we start that way.

Speaker 2:
[09:46] Why I said, I do not care if he takes them off the planet, but anyway, next.

Speaker 3:
[09:51] Okay, we're going to get along. Chase, you got to talk to us about Oregon IP 28, please.

Speaker 1:
[09:57] Okay, the Oregon Ballot Initiative Petition 28, People for the Elimination of Animal Cruelty Exemptions, or the PEACE Act is what they're trying to call it. It is a people-driven initiative, which means it didn't come through state legislature and get proposed by a representative. It's something drafted up by the people, and if they can get enough signatures, 6% of the number of people that voted for the governor last year, or voted in the governor's race last year, that is, if they can get that many petition signatures, then it'll go on to the ballot in November. And if it passes with a simple majority, it goes into law. Now, it's unlikely that that will succeed, because getting at least half the people of Oregon plus one to vote on this, there's a lot of crazy people in Oregon. I'm not going to deny that for a second. And it's where my mother comes from. Of course, there's some crazy people there.

Speaker 2:
[10:50] I was going to say, your mother is not going to be very happy about you saying that, but anyway. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[10:56] But it's unlikely to pass.

Speaker 3:
[10:58] But right now, Chase, they need 117,000 signatures, and they have over 100,000 already, and they haven't told July 2nd, I believe, to get the rest. So they're close to getting on the ballot. And my fear is, I think it's bullshit, when we put some of these initiatives on the ballot, if you just read what that person in the voting booth reads, the short statement about it, it does, it looks, well, why wouldn't you be in favor of humane care of animals?

Speaker 2:
[11:30] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[11:30] But humane care of animals in this case is, I mean, some of these things are absurd. They'd kill the entire livestock industry in Oregon. They'd kill the hunting and fishing industry. They'd kill rodeo. It would just put it all out to pasture and shoot it in the back of the head.

Speaker 3:
[11:43] So why do you see this important to somebody in Illinois or Crockett, Texas or Kansas?

Speaker 2:
[11:51] Before he does that. Isn't this very similar to the bill that Colorado had a few years ago?

Speaker 1:
[11:57] I know Colorado was trying. It's fairly similar, but I think this one's even more strict.

Speaker 2:
[12:02] It was the same thing. Yes. Like no AI. You can't harvest animals. All this other da da da da da da da da.

Speaker 3:
[12:10] Like AI is an artificial insemination.

Speaker 2:
[12:12] Right. Yes. I mean, like because that's sexual abuse or whatever. All this other kind of nonsense.

Speaker 1:
[12:18] This one would go on to ban semen collection. It would find you guilty of a misdemeanor or even a felony if an animal hung itself while it was altered. It would. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[12:27] Felony.

Speaker 1:
[12:29] If it was a repeat issue. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[12:31] Oh, wow.

Speaker 3:
[12:32] So the Colorado thing, Ryan, that that scared me. I thought there's enough nut jobs in Colorado. It might pass. They and it.

Speaker 2:
[12:40] You gotta quit talking about Holly's native country.

Speaker 3:
[12:42] No, this is Colorado, not Oregon, Colorado. So with with that, I was worried to pass. I believe that was thrown out on a technicality. So it didn't even come up to the vote or it wasn't. It was tossed for a technicality.

Speaker 2:
[12:56] The point is, this is a similar situation. And yes, the reason is trying. The reason this is important to every state in the union is because if it ever passes in one, that opens the doors for it to be passed in others. And if that happens, the more states that this gets passed in, then like Chase said, you just take agriculture and shoot it in the back of the head because it's done.

Speaker 3:
[13:24] Yeah, it normalizes these things to the populace, and that is a terrible thing. You would think there's no way this could pass other than a few states like that. But it can. Prop 12 in California, our show pig producers have to deal with that already. There's just, we're inching our way and these people, and that sounds terrible, but it's okay. These people are not gonna give up on this. They really aren't until they get a foothold. I'm gonna guess it's gonna make the ballot, and it's gonna be presented on the ballot in a manner that if we did not research it, all three of us would vote for. And the title. Chase.

Speaker 1:
[14:09] I mean, typically I'm a little, I am as much of a bleeding heart about taking care of animals as I think probably anybody in the family. But I do tend to get a little jumpy about anything that says the elimination of animal cruelty exemptions because I can pretty well read between the lines on that and understand it's probably going to be some PETA thing. But I mean, yeah, it does. If they phrase it nicely, just about a bill for the humane treatment of livestock, it sounds pretty good. And I mean, some of the things in here are pretty good. Like, pets need proper shelter and bedding. You can't just let them crawl into a car or a trailer. Veterinary care gets exemptions. There's a couple good things in here, but then there's some insane things. It removes what they call exemptions to animal cruelty legislation against medical testing, like research animals, rodeo animals.

Speaker 3:
[14:58] You'd be convicted of a crime if you performed artificial insemination on a cow.

Speaker 1:
[15:02] Yeah, or even semen collection on a bull. If you had lab rats for testing or cancer treatments, if you were a rodeo performer and bulldog calves.

Speaker 3:
[15:16] It's going out there. We've got the record long current events. I would like to acknowledge our special sponsor, ShowFresh H2O. You've heard me talk about the benefits of keeping show stock on water. Short of hauling your water from home, this is clearly a low cost option with huge return. ShowFresh H2O can be purchased at your favorite show supply trailer or at swampfox.com. Guys, it is time. Ryan, you came up with this topic. Do you want to explain the title? Trigger. Triggers, I should say.

Speaker 2:
[15:49] No, triggered.

Speaker 3:
[15:51] Triggered. I had triggers written down in my text. Apologize.

Speaker 2:
[15:55] Go ahead.

Speaker 3:
[15:56] Tell us about it.

Speaker 2:
[15:57] Triggered.

Speaker 3:
[16:00] Did you get triggered in your route to Florida this year or this time?

Speaker 2:
[16:03] No, I got hit by a drunk driver, but that's another story which you took up too long on your rant in China. We'll have to talk about that later. Anyhow, triggered since Dale cannot read text.

Speaker 3:
[16:16] Triggered.

Speaker 2:
[16:17] Oh, my God. Anyway, this is the topic about things that trigger people, that things are done or said, it shows happen, that shows that trigger you. And so I thought in a good way. No, you don't get triggered in a good way, you freak.

Speaker 3:
[16:35] You got rainbows said we have to stay positive this week. I talked to it.

Speaker 2:
[16:40] Oh, you rainbows and butterflies talk to you.

Speaker 3:
[16:43] Well, not recently, but maybe a text. Maybe a text to encourage us to stay positive.

Speaker 2:
[16:51] Uh-huh. Well, see, he does still listen. That's lovely. Anyway, this isn't negative. This is just like funny because I that people get triggered at every single show every every that I can't.

Speaker 3:
[17:05] I can't see you getting triggered at the show. I just can't see it.

Speaker 2:
[17:08] I don't because I've seen it all. So, yeah, I did. I did takes a lot. But anyhow, and so I just thought that we would talk about things that cause this reaction in people. And so, like, Dale's like, I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 3:
[17:25] And I was like, well, I don't I don't get upset with things that happened to show you are such a liar. I would I had a hard time coming up with two or three.

Speaker 2:
[17:36] I would like to talk about all the thousands of phone calls that you have called me at shows, screaming and yelling and ranting about things. Yes, you have been triggered, sir. And every single show that you have attended with your child. So anyhow, next.

Speaker 3:
[17:51] Continue, please.

Speaker 2:
[17:53] And I can tell you the first one that triggers Dale is when. Oh, no, this is because this is when someone takes your electrical outlets.

Speaker 3:
[18:04] Yes, that is I do have that. That is one that I took down. And I sometimes go further that we have shows that do not allow generators and there are not enough electrical outlets. It becomes an issue.

Speaker 2:
[18:16] But no, I mean, I have gotten a phone call from Dale several times when he's taken when he's got all his electrical outlets, whatever. And then somebody has come in and removed one of his cords and plugged in there. He gets very unhappy. So, yes, Dale does get triggered at every show, people. I hate to tell y'all he does.

Speaker 3:
[18:34] That is the first thing you do when you get to show you better acquired your electoral electrical outlets. That is that is number one in our family. You better find those before we put the animals of the pen. Anything else you get plugged in.

Speaker 2:
[18:46] No, but that happens, and that causes that reaction there. And I mean, I've seen people like literally physical violence over this. So that is part of it. And like I said, this happens in the ring, out the ring because of stuff the judge says because of stuff other people say, whatever. But if we go to a big portion of it, is what the judge does or says on the microphone. And I told Dale, how many times do you see the person in this situation get very upset when the judge says, this animal has to be first or third, and it's third. And if you're the person in third, you get mad, you get triggered, because as I told you so, I don't know people get upset about that. I said, really? Have you ever been in that position and been third? Because I have and I got upset. And so, and also on that, have you ever heard the judge say, this animal has to be first or third, so he's first.

Speaker 3:
[20:00] Now, now it's usually third. I'm with you on that. I don't know that I can't say that I've ever never said that, but I do not recall ever using that phrase.

Speaker 2:
[20:11] No, I haven't, but you've heard it.

Speaker 3:
[20:13] I have. Those are usually those unique creatures that are the hardest to make.

Speaker 2:
[20:19] Exactly, and then they end up being third. Another one, and this does get me, I mean, I don't react anymore. I mean, I don't react when somebody, to most things, because I've seen it all, but like when a judge will walk the animals multiple, multiple times, and then end up using it, like if we've walked the top three, two or three times, and he ends up using or she ends up using the one that is the least structurally correct. That I've seen that reaction out of people every single time, and yet they're definitely triggered.

Speaker 3:
[21:00] I can remember watching a show that there was an animal out there that was clearly limping lame, basically off of one foot. And the judge used this one to win, which I'm okay with that, but you acknowledge that, hey, it looks like this one's been injured. I'm not sure what happened or such and such said it came off the trailer bad, whatever it may be. But if it's clearly an injury, do what you want with it as a judge. But I've watched them use them and not even mentioned that this animal's having a hard time or injured or difficulty getting around the ring. That triggered me.

Speaker 2:
[21:33] Yeah. No. I mean, just in Florida this last weekend, there was a really cool heifer and all this other stuff. She was all fit up and whatever, but she was limping.

Speaker 3:
[21:44] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[21:44] And I've studied the joints, I've studied the angles. There's no reason for this heifer to be limping, but she's clearly limping. And so I just said, I don't know what the issue is. I don't know if there's an injury here, but this is where we're at. And so this isn't going to work out the way these people intended. And I hate that because very good heifer, but I can't do anything with one that's limping. And so, yeah, but I understand what you're saying. They just use it and don't.

Speaker 3:
[22:18] But I mean, it's almost like they don't think anybody's going to notice if we just don't talk about it.

Speaker 2:
[22:22] Right. But I know that you have called me from show and said, this person just keeps walking these things and he keeps using the cripples.

Speaker 3:
[22:32] I've had that conversation. And you and I have talked about why judges continue to walk sometimes in a situation like this. I don't know if they're trying to evaluate soundness or they're buying time, and it's not normal to figure out their priorities and sorting to figure out the political bullshit that's going through their head.

Speaker 2:
[22:51] Right. And the thing that makes this situation that we're talking about here so bad is they walk on to buy time, but then it's just showing which animal, the more they stand and the longer they get in, and the more, right, exactly. They're just digging a deeper grave for themselves and then they do it anyway. So yeah, that is always one. I will tell you the one that I hear the most lately that causes a reaction, causes people to be triggered is when you get to the end of the show, and the judge gets out there and he or she give this talk about their integrity and how they did all this other stuff. And normally, when they go on and on and on about this, this is the person that has been the most political. And I've gotten that a lot here lately, so much here lately.

Speaker 3:
[23:52] I can see that. So I have some issues, and I know you've got more on the judges, but I want to take it further, Ryan. I want to go to the show management, and I'm not trying to pick on things, guys, but it just happens. There's one thing that gets me, this is my number one, and then we can go back to the judges, and this falls on the judges as well. I have been to several, I wish I could say only one, shows usually when we're exhibiting, and I'm not there as a judge or any official capacity, but they walk that first class of the day in, and they continue to do this, and they've got the kids walking the animals in the wrong direction, so they're walking on the off side. They're trying to adjust to get to the other side of the animal to keep the animal between them and the judge, and then they proceed to set the animals up backwards or opposite of how they should, where the kids have to go to their off show side to show. They basically have everything backwards to show management, the ring person's allowing it, and then the judge doesn't step up and say, hey, we've got to change things up out here. Do you understand what I'm talking about on that, Ryan?

Speaker 2:
[25:02] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[25:02] Have you seen this happen?

Speaker 2:
[25:04] Yeah. We were at a show together that I was judging, and you were showing goats, and it happened, and you were very upset. Very.

Speaker 3:
[25:11] I just, I can't imagine that somebody in charge of a show doesn't know the difference nor the person judging isn't aware that we've got things completely backwards, and why don't they just fix it?

Speaker 2:
[25:26] Don't ask me.

Speaker 3:
[25:28] I don't get it. That gets me. Really gets me.

Speaker 2:
[25:30] Yeah. I'm very well aware. I've been there with you when that happened. It was not good.

Speaker 3:
[25:37] Did I stop the show and restart it or anything?

Speaker 2:
[25:39] No. No, we did not. But by the point that I got, it was at Denver in September show. Anyway, by the point I got there to watch the end of the goat show, it was just too far gone.

Speaker 3:
[25:54] Got it.

Speaker 2:
[25:55] Speaking of show management and stuff like that, I think one of the things that causes a reaction out of people is when we don't enforce the rules and they're blatant people, blatantly breaking the rules, whether it's fake hair or all this other stuff and we just don't do it. I think you brought up the show management side of it and there's things that haven't. But that is something that causes a reaction out of people it shows, is when we have rules and people are blatantly going against what the rules say and nothing happens.

Speaker 3:
[26:36] That is by number two. And the simple solution, Ryan, as you've talked about and we've talked about on here, if you don't put it in the book, nobody's going to be upset about it. But when you have that rule written down, no fake hair or whatever rule it may be, and people are violating that blatantly and nobody's doing anything about it, that triggers people. No question.

Speaker 2:
[26:58] Oh yeah. I mean, absolutely. And so, that was your number two. That was my number two.

Speaker 3:
[27:05] I do. I have some. I do. Some of these aren't going to be very popular. I have a couple more. When the show, and this is back to show management, that we're cruising along and as an exhibitor or family that's exhibiting, all of a sudden, you've got one ready to go in and they decide to break for lunch. And they didn't announce that this was going to happen ahead of time. And or anything to do with that break for lunch, whether they're having one or not having one, just make it clear and upfront and set a time or say, after division two, we're going to be doing this, just so people can adjust because I've watched too many people, including ourselves, that we assume they're breaking for lunch and maybe we're a little behind because they chose not to, which is fine, but let's plan that a little bit ahead of time so those families getting those animals ready can adjust accordingly. That one gets me on occasion.

Speaker 2:
[28:00] No, yeah. And it goes both ways. If you're going to have a lunch break, I mean, you're going to have to get to a point in the show, but you can announce, we think this is when this is going to be, and it's not going to be. But when people get upset, is nobody said anything about a lunch break at all, and they're in like class two of three South Towns, and they say, after South Towns, we're going to take an hour lunch break, and all these people have their animals up there fit, ready to go, all this other stuff, and then now we got to wait an hour. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[28:41] And be smart, try to do it after a division drive or somewhere where the animals aren't standing. It's not up fit for any longer than they have to be.

Speaker 2:
[28:49] Right.

Speaker 3:
[28:50] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[28:50] That definitely, definitely causes the triggered reaction when we have delays in the show that nobody knew about.

Speaker 3:
[28:58] So what about when we show up and you don't see this as much in the cattle barn to a certain degree, but not to the extreme. In the sheep and goat world, and I'm sure the pig world is also, when you show up, let's say you, you can get into this show at 8 a.m. and you don't have to be there until 10 o'clock at night, technically. Those that are coming in later in the day, pull in, and here's these camps that have an enormous amount of space to lay down, to have a dozen different chairs out, or whatever they want, and there is zero room to even put a fitting stand up anywhere else. So people taking up way more space than what's needed, I think you should be rewarded for getting there early. You should be able to get where you want to be. But let's be a little smarter about just how much space you need, that there's gonna be a lot of other people coming in, that that in itself, I have several families that are refusing to go to a given show, at this point, a national show, because of just this, they show up, and there is no space at all. It's a miserable experience because you're fitting stands on the other end of the barn, and you're jammed in some corner somewhere, and you've got these camps taking up so much space, you can't hardly get your animal from the pin to the show ring down the alley. There's so little room to get through. That gets me a little bit.

Speaker 2:
[30:20] And now you know, that that happened. We have that we have to use trim shoots to fit cattle at some time.

Speaker 3:
[30:28] So you are fighting for space.

Speaker 2:
[30:30] Yeah. But your stall space is just so racist towards the cattle people.

Speaker 3:
[30:34] No, I just did. I haven't I haven't experienced people getting as out of control on the cattle side. I'm sure it happens. I'm just not in it every day.

Speaker 2:
[30:44] And this is going to like hurt people's feelings. And that's fine because, you know, I'm OK with that. But like the thing that gets me is the people that like have that use all this space. And it's for like six million crock pots and a buffet table and couch, a couch, a mini fridge or whatever.

Speaker 1:
[31:07] I'm just like, I've seen full size fridges.

Speaker 2:
[31:10] I mean, exactly. I'm like, why just?

Speaker 3:
[31:14] And it's nice if if there's room at that show to have it, have at it.

Speaker 2:
[31:18] I just don't understand it. I don't. I mean, like I don't. I mean, but I am not a good person because I don't eat at shows. And so and I don't care if anybody in my crew eats either, other than the small children that need like energy, like the parents, they can eat later. I do not care. But like so these people that literally have these elaborate kitchen sets up and all this stuff. First off, I just don't want anybody to cook anything for me in a barn. It's gross. It's dirty. It's whatever.

Speaker 3:
[31:51] That is fine.

Speaker 1:
[31:52] Ryan, we're live people. We can't get concerned about zoonotic diseases.

Speaker 2:
[31:56] I'm not concerned about it, but I just I don't want it. I don't. But that and you will say, I mean, like literally like Chase said, full size fridges, mini fridges, couches, chairs, all this. I'm like, Lord help.

Speaker 3:
[32:14] But there's another family that can't find a place with their fitting chute.

Speaker 2:
[32:19] Right.

Speaker 3:
[32:20] Yeah. That's a problem.

Speaker 2:
[32:21] Yeah. No, I completely get it.

Speaker 3:
[32:24] And I understand for the shows, that's hard to regulate. I get it. There is no good way to do it other than, and Ryan's going to say that I'm being way too kind, but I just appreciate the intelligence that Arizona National on the sheep and goat side, you buy your fitting space. It's marked out, you have a number on it, and you stay within your little lines, and you don't have to worry about it. You can show up late knowing that you have fitting space, you don't have to worry about it. We leave for shows way, way earlier than what I would like to, and I'd like the animals away from home for the smallest window of time possible, but we will go early, earlier than what's ideal for the animal, in hope that we have pins and fitting space that can accommodate what you need.

Speaker 2:
[33:10] I mean, one thing that I, you brought this up, one thing that I do think triggers people at shows now is, I think that we continue to add things that you have to pay for. But now, I think the fitting space saying that you're talking about at Arizona National, I don't know anybody that would gripe about that at all, if it is handled in a right way, like you're saying, this is the dimension you get, this is your number, this is where your thing goes, all that stuff. I don't know anybody that would gripe about that.

Speaker 3:
[33:46] Because it takes, that is what, when people are getting ready to go, I think that's, maybe it's just me. That's on my mind for a couple of days before we even leave for the show. It dictates when we leave, it dictates everything, just hoping we can get there and have an adequate amount of space to get things done. And when I'm working with several clients and families who have bought from us and trying to help out and get some space for them so we can assist on the fitting and managing those show animals, it wears on me. And I think the fact that we know we have, we purchased, paid for a fitting space that's already designated, that is a huge relief. But Ryan, going back to the other early bird check-in in most shows now, I think even Texas majors have their early trailer check-ins. It's expensive. And guess what? It's kind of like TSA pre at the airport. You pay to do it, and all of a sudden, everybody's done it, and it's back to exactly where it was before.

Speaker 2:
[34:44] Right. And I mean, you know, there's just a lot of shows, not all shows, that they're just finding new ways to add charges and stuff like that. And I'll be honest with you, the one that... And this isn't a charge, but a lot of shows, especially the bigger shows, you know, you can only use bedding that is bought there, and then sometimes that bedding is shit. And so, like, I mean, those type of things, those situations, those often get people riled up.

Speaker 3:
[35:19] No, and it does. And go back to the early bird or the fast pass, why are people buying those? Because they can get in the barn early.

Speaker 2:
[35:28] Right. And then they don't. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[35:30] Then they can stake out their fitting space, have their outlets, all the, a lot of the things that we're talking about that causes stress on those show families, if you have that early bird and you're at the beginning of that early bird, you're gonna be able to get what you need. And that poor sucker that comes in late is still in trouble. It doesn't really solve anything, but I'm gonna purchase that early bird for the same reason I purchased fitting space at Arizona. I don't want that stress of not having enough room to get things done.

Speaker 2:
[35:59] Yeah, no, and like I said, I think I understand all that. But like you said, if everybody can buy one, then everybody buys one and we're back to square one. So it needs to be limited or something.

Speaker 3:
[36:17] Exactly. Chase, do you have any things that trigger you when you're at a show? You're pretty laid back at the shows.

Speaker 1:
[36:22] Well, I mean, I'm typically laid back because I think you do a lot of the worrying for us.

Speaker 2:
[36:28] You think that Dale handles all the triggering for the whole Hummel Livestock group? I think you're right.

Speaker 1:
[36:33] And that we can either kind of try to mellow him out, try to reel him back a little so he doesn't come unglued, but we need him to be on his A game.

Speaker 2:
[36:41] Now, when you see him on the phone, he's coming unglued on me. It's fine.

Speaker 1:
[36:44] Yeah, I take it to the team. It's great. Hey, we're kind of there to be the cushion between Dale Hummel and the world. That's our duty as his loved ones.

Speaker 3:
[36:54] Wonderful.

Speaker 1:
[36:55] But anyway, I'll say that one of my triggers, you touched on it pretty well, Ryan, just that uneven application of the rules, and what especially gets me is like uneven application of bad rules, rules that nobody wants to follow because they're not helpful or they're particularly inconvenient or they don't make much sense. And then you've got people that do play by them, and then they come in at a massive disadvantage or handicap because apparently they're the first or only ones. Like, now this might need to get cut out because I might be stepping on toes, but last Indiana State Fair, their hair length rules were interesting, and how they tried to enforce them was grossly ineffective. If you were there for it, you'd notice they had a couple of wooden sticks that they put a piece of electrical tape on. And to measure the hair length, they would poke the stick all over the body, like supposedly like the same points on every animal. And if the hair came up past the stick, that was their definition of too long. But a lot of people read the rules, and they assumed the whole length of the hair itself had to be under, what was it, dad, like under an eighth of an inch? I think an eighth of an inch, it was short.

Speaker 3:
[38:02] It was short.

Speaker 1:
[38:03] It was incredibly short. Like you had people almost like skinning these things where you could see the pigment.

Speaker 3:
[38:09] And they did it for thinking it was going to be enforced measure, where they didn't measure anything with the stick.

Speaker 1:
[38:14] Exactly. You had the people who just like they took it down where you could see every spot of pigment on this animal's body. Then you have somebody who walks up with a quarter inch of hair, almost a half inch of hair and they just let them pass on through because they just poke the stick to the body. It flattens the hair because that's what happens when you poke it to the body and don't run against the grain. And they said, okay, you're good. Carry on.

Speaker 3:
[38:35] That is a sensitive topic that we need to address again sooner than later.

Speaker 2:
[38:41] I don't know. You people and your goats and your hair length, it was a mess. It all worked out.

Speaker 3:
[38:48] That triggered as many people as I've ever seen being upset at a show.

Speaker 2:
[38:53] I started to lynch mob. Literally. I had heard about it before Dale even called. That's how bad it was. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[39:01] And I was there for it.

Speaker 2:
[39:03] Yeah. I was like, like, has Dale told you about this shit? I was like, no, but I'm sure it's coming. But the fact that somebody else is telling me about it beforehand, that's impressive. Y'all really are upset.

Speaker 3:
[39:14] I do. I also, and sometimes I understand all these things aren't possible to manage and it just happens. But we have an issue in some of the shows where the wash rack area or getting to the wash rack area are flooded. And to get a goat to walk through a puddle of water, let alone a long distance of one or two inches of water, doesn't work. So alleviating that is a good thing, but not always possible. Lights on all night. I understand that terrible things sometimes happen when the lights are off, but I also get very concerned that these animals actually need rest. And if they're coming from an environment where the lights are off in the show barn at night, they're not going to rest. They're not going to sleep as well. They're not going to perform or look as well the next day.

Speaker 2:
[39:59] You Yankees won't understand this because it doesn't happen to y'all, but as Texas people, we will understand this. So anyway, I think one of the things that causes a very large reaction at Texas majors is when all the rodeo people come in the barn and they're either going to the rodeo or they're leaving the rodeo and they're like, can I pet your cow? No, you cannot.

Speaker 1:
[40:25] No, no, that happens a lot. That happens a lot, a lot.

Speaker 3:
[40:28] And typically, not just in Texas. Yeah, just people.

Speaker 2:
[40:32] No, you can't pet my goat, you can't pet my cow, my pig bites, my animal can't.

Speaker 1:
[40:36] A lot of ours just don't ask. They just kind of go for it.

Speaker 2:
[40:38] Right. Yeah. Like that. That's even worse. When they don't even ask, they just dive in there. That is when you will like literally get your arm broken.

Speaker 1:
[40:47] And I'm not particularly worried that they're going to hurt the animal. I don't think that's their intention anyway, but I'm not convinced they're not going to try to feed a piece of funnel cake or that they haven't been petting some like ringworm-festered thing three pens down.

Speaker 2:
[40:59] Yeah, exactly. But I mean, not to bring up personal stories, but I'm just saying that maybe at a major show, when I was a child and we were walking a steer to a ring, somebody thought that they were going to touch, wanted to pet something and they may have got their wrist sprain because one of the people in the crew did not let them touch the animal. Oh, anyway, that was a little bit of a wreck, but yeah.

Speaker 3:
[41:28] Speaking of Texas majors, this is going to get me in a little trouble, but it does frustrate me. What about when efforts are made to remove the breeders' ear tags? And a lot of shows do that and that's perfectly fine. No problem with that. But when you're mandatory removing all the ear tags, and the animal is going in the ring, and then as soon as the class is over, the show announces the name of the exhibitor, which I'm good with that. Give them some credits and acknowledge that they've done well, or let people know who's doing well. But then they also announce the breeder of that given animal. At the same place where we had to take the tag out because we didn't want the judge to know where that animal is coming from. I get it, the class is over, but Ryan, are some of those animals coming back for division or grand at some point?

Speaker 2:
[42:18] Well, if you won the class, yeah, you're going to come back.

Speaker 3:
[42:21] So that seems a little hypocritical, I would say.

Speaker 2:
[42:25] And I have told you the way to fix this. If you will just send me a goat, I will put it out in my pasture and you will be a satellite.

Speaker 3:
[42:33] That doesn't change it, that just gets our name announced.

Speaker 2:
[42:35] Exactly, then your name will get announced and it will be fine.

Speaker 3:
[42:39] And it may only be if you're a Texas breeder.

Speaker 2:
[42:42] And then you can show them St. Angelo. Just send me a goat, I will put it in my pasture and you will be a satellite.

Speaker 3:
[42:49] I don't think anybody is going to believe that you're raising goats. No, you're not going to.

Speaker 2:
[42:53] Send me two. Send me a boy and a girl. I will put two of them out there.

Speaker 3:
[42:57] And to complete the story, if you're not from the state of Texas or a Texas breeder, and I get theirs... No, you just get the exhibitor's name read, which I understand those breeders, they put a lot of money into those shows and support things. I think there's several breeders outside the state that are selling in the Texas, that would be happy to do the same, but it's not even an option. So yeah, I have some things from a judge's perspective, Ryan, that we've talked about, I think, all of these. I know we have. But that trigger me when I can think back to a specific show a year or two ago, the first time it ever happened to me, I'm judging a lamb show, and that was the first time they ran them into the ring with me. And we stopped and restarted, and that was a trigger. We talk about pushing the tops down while we're looking at them as a judge. Maybe doesn't trigger me as much, but it's a red flag saying my lamb's top line is not good enough. The bounce, even though there's so many, it probably gets me more now because it's faded when I see one. That's still bouncing a little bit in the pig ring. And then the one that I have to get better about, but I have a feeling you're worse than I, Ryan. Chase is the only one that could handle this well. We're done with the class. Just finished talking to the class, and we go over towards the end gate to watch the animals come in, and you wait five to 10 minutes for the next class to come in.

Speaker 2:
[44:31] Yeah, that's not good.

Speaker 3:
[44:32] Oh, and I understand it's hard to get them called. There's a lot of reasons that it can happen, but I'm also judging shows that when I get over to that gate, they're bringing those animals in as soon as I get there, and continuing to keep that show moving efficiently.

Speaker 2:
[44:50] Hi. We had over 600 head in Florida on Saturday, and we got it done in less than nine hours. Those people were ready.

Speaker 3:
[44:57] They were ready, and things happened. I understand, but I get in the position where I'm sitting there, standing by the gate.

Speaker 2:
[45:04] Oh, no. It's usually more the other way, where you're waiting than the way it is.

Speaker 3:
[45:12] You talk about Ryan, a judge taking a lunch break, they come back, and they're out of rhythm a little bit, or going in other directions.

Speaker 2:
[45:18] Let's break to the devil.

Speaker 3:
[45:20] They are. I think even waiting between classes sometimes can be... It gets me a little bit anxious from the standpoint that I'm irritated that this continuous, not just one class or two classes, but every single time. And I look over at those gathering and those lining them up, and there appears to be no sense of urgency.

Speaker 2:
[45:42] No, no. And people laugh at me because they're like, I can't believe you don't eat at shows and all this other stuff. But I am very serious on the fact that if you don't think that after you have eaten, that you feel different, you walk different. I mean, I'm not saying whatever that you can't, but your mind is different.

Speaker 3:
[46:10] Maybe it affects you and I more than the rest of the world, because it impacts me dramatically.

Speaker 2:
[46:16] Yeah. I've seen people, when they come back from lunch breaks, it's never good. I'm sorry. It's just not. Anyway, but that's why I'm like, yeah, no, I'm not going to do that.

Speaker 3:
[46:28] Biochemically, your body is creating hormones that impact your mind.

Speaker 2:
[46:33] Period.

Speaker 3:
[46:34] And again, I know people are going to think you and I are crazy about this.

Speaker 2:
[46:37] No, you can't. This is science, people.

Speaker 3:
[46:40] It is. And I'm not saying everybody's drastically different or anything like that. But I do not do well if I stop and eat lunch. And I'm with Ryan.

Speaker 2:
[46:49] I just don't.

Speaker 3:
[46:50] And some people look crazy. They said, well, they'll bring you lunch. I don't even hardly drink much when I'm out there, and I probably should. That's why I just don't like it.

Speaker 2:
[46:59] So the other Saturday at that show, I walked in there with everybody knows what the size of a Yeti is. I walked in there with a Yeti that had a Red Bull in it. And I'm telling you, I did not finish the Red Bull in 600 head. I still had some when I got in the car and I had one other Dr. Pepper. And that is all I drank the whole day. Because again, the more you drink, then you've got to stop and... I mean, I don't take bathroom breaks normally or anything like that. But I do this, I'm seasoned, I'm trained my body, whatever. But like the more you drink, then you've got to stop and go to the bathroom. And that's another break. And then people are waiting on you and all this others. Yeah, it's just a wreck.

Speaker 3:
[47:45] I'm trying to think the last show I judge was might have been Louisiana and we started at 8, 8, 9 o'clock in the morning and didn't get done until evening. And I may have had one bottle of water or one soda, maybe. And I did not, I did not leave the ring to go to the bathroom. I did not leave the ring to do anything. And that's just normal. I don't, I don't function well in the other way. And I think we have to be exceptions, Ryan.

Speaker 2:
[48:12] Probably. But I mean, like I said, people just like marvel at it to me. And I'm like, I don't know, maybe because I judge shows more days than I don't. I'm just trained different. I don't know. But I have one that I, I guess I've, this seems to happen to our group more than anything else. But anyway, like this isn't just with Addie. This has been for years when I was brokering animals or stuff like this. And I'm sure everybody feels this way. Like you get out there and child and animal are out there. And then the ones on either side of you are absolute nutcases or won't stand still and all this other stuff. And so you're like, how do we always get by the animals that are not broke? That triggers people. At least it triggers our group.

Speaker 3:
[49:07] Maybe that animal is a female coming in the heat, trying to jump up and ride yours.

Speaker 2:
[49:12] I mean, just everything, a crazy steer, a sheep that bounces up and down when they're trying to brace it. I mean, you name it. It just always seems like those seem like we're moss to a flame. And so like that.

Speaker 3:
[49:28] I have a trigger that absolutely sets my wife off. Something terrible. I don't remember what show here at last that happened in a lamb ring or a goat ring, even a cattle ring, not pigs. But when we've walked the animals, and I believe this might have, yeah, I'm not even going to say where it happened. I remember now, but I'm not going to say. She gets irate even when we don't have something in the ring. And there's a person that pulls themselves out of the lineup to be three foot closer to the judge or pulls alongside in part somebody else that's in that line and kind of blocking the judge from seeing them. I mean, she wants to jump over the fence, go out to the ring and strangle that child.

Speaker 2:
[50:14] There you go.

Speaker 3:
[50:15] As a judge, I probably get a little harder on those kids that are doing that, or explain to them and be back in line. And I'm seeing, I used to see it a long time ago, and then it kind of faded, went away. I'm starting to see it again. Are you experiencing it in the ring at all, right?

Speaker 2:
[50:31] Like you, I used to see it a lot. Not only it shows I judge, but shows it just spectator. I haven't seen it much lately, but also it's a lot easier to do in Lamb and Goats than it is.

Speaker 3:
[50:43] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[50:44] Cattle, and this since major show season started ended, excuse me, in March. I haven't done one of those shows yet, so maybe I will see it.

Speaker 3:
[50:55] Do we have any extra? Chase, do you have any others that we may not have covered? Ryan, do you have a few more?

Speaker 2:
[51:01] Well, this is probably the one for me, whether I am a spectator or I am a judge or anything else. When either there is no ring help or the ring help, do absolutely nothing. They just stand there and watch the children pull on the animals and the animals won't lead it. Whether I'm judging or I'm outside the ring watching, that probably causes the most reaction for me. Because it can be both. They don't have enough ring help or the ring help in there is worthless.

Speaker 3:
[51:41] And it happens. I'm with you on this one. It fires me up more so when there's somebody out there and they're just ignoring it for some reason.

Speaker 2:
[51:50] Standing out there pretending to be a judge or whatever like yeah, it just bothers me.

Speaker 3:
[51:56] So as a judge, you go and move the animal in it.

Speaker 2:
[51:59] Right. You go and move the animal and then you can't, you're that 10, 15 seconds or whatever is taken away from looking at the other animals while you're pushing that one around.

Speaker 3:
[52:09] Yeah, I get it. That one bothers me.

Speaker 2:
[52:11] And I'm sure there's 900 other million ones that we have.

Speaker 3:
[52:16] Chase, did you get all of it out that you wanted? You're all about the hair length and the rules.

Speaker 1:
[52:21] I think that you guys, honestly, I was about to talk about just that terrible moment when you're in the holding ring where you've been waiting for 10 minutes because you're all queued up and ready for your class, and then a pig with the runs or a crazy heifer or something side swipes your animal has just been perfectly groomed, and suddenly you've got maybe 30 seconds before you got to walk in, and you're kind of really behind the eight ball. Not that there's anything to be done about it, just that it's one of those things that kind of makes you want to do something unsportsmanlike.

Speaker 2:
[52:50] Like people think that I am not. I have literally thrown my body in between an animal before touching one of harsh before. So yes, Chase, you're exactly right. I'll never forget. I don't remember. Whatever year my purse got stolen from Louisville when Katie was fourth overall in Grand Drive. For some reason, I was designated to go to the ring with Katie every time we showed one.

Speaker 3:
[53:16] So somebody could steal your purse?

Speaker 2:
[53:17] No, that wasn't until Grand Drive. Anyway, we're standing up there, me and Katie are up there. And like you said, everybody's fit on the thing and all this other stuff. And it's just me and her. And then this one starts, and I was like, oh, what up? But she's like, what happens? Well, we won't let this one run over yours. It's fine. It's fine.

Speaker 3:
[53:38] I mean, every show, it's going to be you're going to have something like that. So there's a lot of my hope. I hope this isn't taken too negative. I think it's in a positive sense to bring out some things that we can work on to try to do better. And let's hope that's the end result. I do not have a question and answer sponsor. I did reach out to, I believe, two of them, Ryan, to let you know. And I think I brought one of them up to you for you to reach out to. But we do have that slot open. Until then, I think it's probably good. I've got three questions here, and one of them Chase might have to help us out on. The first one, Ryan, this is your baby, comes from Trent. Do commercial ranchers use EPDs, or is this something that some seed stock producers use to create value on stock that do not look the part? This one's strong. I even hesitated pulling this one for fear it's going to upset some people. But please do. I'm going to reread it just so you're on board. Do commercial ranchers use EPDs, or is it just something that seed stock producers use to create value on stock that do not look the part?

Speaker 2:
[54:43] Honestly, I don't think commercial people use EPDs. I don't know of anybody that does. I think EPDs were created for a whole bunch of stupid blankety blank. I could use some explicit words about EPDs here, but I'm not because this is a family-friendly child-oriented podcast. I'm not going to use those explicit terms to describe EPDs. I, but basically, I think EPDs were used to allow people to do stuff out in a show ring, judging-wise, that they know they could not get away with otherwise. That is my opinion.

Speaker 3:
[55:24] So I'm going to come in. There's no question there are some commercial producers, ranchers that are going to look at EPDs, look at a couple of columns. Maybe they're looking at birth weight or calving ease. Maybe they're looking for a growth bull and looking at yearling. But there are some breeds now that have more EPD categories. Then I couldn't even tell you how they're remotely calculated or what they're trying to measure. There's so much involved in it past where the commercial producers at. I'm not saying that in theory, this is all theoretical, that some of the categories that they have come up with would not be extremely valuable to a commercial producer or rancher, feedlot person, whatever it may be. I believe the concept behind it in terms of doing those calculations is great. But this is under the assumption that everything is being done with integrity and accurately and the exact numbers are being turned in. In the current situation, the person turning the numbers in will be impacted financially by what they turn in. Now, whether they're an honest person or not, if it's going to impact their livelihood, they're going to fudge more times than not. It's like the age issue in showing cattle and the birth dates. Most people, even though they may be good, honest people, are going to move them because they really don't have a choice. And in the EPD game right now, in my opinion, those that understand how they're calculated and understand statistical advantages by creating contemporary groups and imposing them against each other, not only can they turn in fictitious numbers that will help an animal, but they can go beyond that and make huge differences and swings in the manner that they set up their contemporary groups. So in an ideal world, I think all of that would be perfect. I just don't know how you ever get it back to what it maybe was designed to be. So I apologize. It's kind of a rant on that one. So Ryan, I knew where you were going to be on it when I brought the question in, and I think there's going to be a lot of different opinions on that.

Speaker 2:
[57:54] I'm not saying that they can't be used as a valuable tool in making breeding decisions and all this other stuff.

Speaker 3:
[58:00] I don't know that they can be at this point.

Speaker 2:
[58:02] Well, even the intention was there, whatever, all this other stuff. That's fine. And if you want to put the EPDs underneath the animal and let the spectators and those that might be buying semen out of that bull, or whatever, all this other stuff out there, it should have nothing to do with how the animals are placed, period. That is just a way for people to do shit that they know that they can't get by with anyway. And so, yeah, I'm out.

Speaker 3:
[58:30] And I'm not saying that the type of animals we select in the show ring are the type that need to be in the commercial world.

Speaker 2:
[58:36] They're not.

Speaker 3:
[58:37] But I can promise you those, if you just sort them on EPDs, they're pretty hard to look at. What one of the two or both are drastically off. And maybe it's both. I'm not pretending that what we're doing in the show ring has any commercial impact at this point. Brett sends us the next question. I heard you mentioned Screw Worm is getting close to Texas a couple episodes back. I don't know when he sent the question in, but I think we did mention this a month or so ago.

Speaker 2:
[59:06] Yes, you did.

Speaker 3:
[59:07] Do you think it will cross into the US? And if so, how does it impact the show world? I am going to divert to Chase unless Ryan wants it.

Speaker 2:
[59:17] Go ahead, Chase. All right.

Speaker 1:
[59:21] So, the show world has been reported to be as close as 90 miles from the Texas border, which is fairly close. A single screwworm can be able to travel that far in its lifespan. Not that it's common to, just that it's been done. But they're reopening the plants in Texas to produce sterile screwrooms. They're dumping all over the southern Texas border. I think they've already started at this point, which should create a bit of a biological barrier. But if it does break in Texas, and they might do it by, it's unlikely to do it by county, but still, it would heavily restrict the flow of animals out of Texas, that just about any cattle you want to send out of Texas would need to be inspected and tested and prove it doesn't have screw room before it leaves, which on a commercial level, I know a lot more cattle are coming into Texas than going out of, at least alive. But on a show stock level, there are some big breeders in Texas, aren't there? I think you'd agree with that, Ryan. That would have a lot of live animals.

Speaker 2:
[60:22] Future of the Hummel satellite livestock.

Speaker 3:
[60:27] So Chase, what happens? So right now we can use, we can turn the sterile screwworms out basically along the border. Once it comes into Texas, then you have to completely redefine that border and where you're releasing those?

Speaker 1:
[60:41] I mean, it was back in the 60s, we successfully created essentially a front line that we were able to push all the way out of Texas. I mean, they were across the entire southeastern United States. Just, it's difficult. And until they can pretty much prove that Texas is screw room free again, they're probably going to be inspecting almost every hot blooded animal that gets shipped out of the state because they're worried about it jumping to other states that they'd have to work very hard to push it out of too.

Speaker 3:
[61:05] And that would be easy to happen.

Speaker 1:
[61:06] Yeah. And that would put an incredible burden on the inspectors trying to check all these animals leading the state, and would probably really slog down anybody who's moving a lot of very high...

Speaker 3:
[61:16] I don't even know that you could effectively implement that.

Speaker 1:
[61:19] Yeah. They might just quarantine the state all together, which would really make a bad time for a lot of big names.

Speaker 3:
[61:25] I think it's real. I hope that they don't cross, but I think we're maybe a little bit later to the game than ideal, that they got this far north to begin with. Didn't we have them push down to the Panama Canal at one time?

Speaker 1:
[61:40] The Darien Gap. The United States paid for it alongside some Central American countries in Mexico and decided that it would be easier to hold them off at the Darien Gap than anywhere else. Now, we could have kept going and tried to get all of South America, but that would be very expensive. And, I mean, you don't have to cover the entire of the continent. It was already a, what, almost 20-year undertaking just to get them to the Darien Gaps. They said, it's fine. We can hold them here. And then we didn't.

Speaker 3:
[62:04] We did not. Something went wrong there. The final question comes from Troy. Not rainbows and butterflies, Troy, I don't believe. When do you plan to have the trending episode for this year? I have heard you talk about it, but I haven't seen it yet.

Speaker 2:
[62:21] That is Dale. Oh, thank you.

Speaker 3:
[62:24] Thanks a lot.

Speaker 2:
[62:27] You are the one that is going to Africa and Egypt and Asia and wherever else, and you have to set up the guest, because I do not.

Speaker 3:
[62:37] We will. I think the trending episode is clearly a very popular one, so we will do that. I will take full responsibility for not getting it done to this point, but it is now on my agenda.

Speaker 2:
[62:52] You can have Cade on next week, and we can do the hog one. There you go.

Speaker 3:
[62:56] He would be the easiest one to probably get scheduled, I would like to think. Chase, do you feel comfortable in telling us what the trends in these species are?

Speaker 1:
[63:06] I can tell you what the trends are in the rhea industry or the ostrich industry.

Speaker 2:
[63:10] There you go.

Speaker 3:
[63:12] Okay. Well, Chase, thank you for coming on. I do have one assignment for you at some point. This is go back to current events. Before we bring you on again, Chase, and I know you're going to fight me on this a little bit. There's a lot of talk about the Antarctic and why people aren't allowed there. It's been restricted for decades. I want you to tell me, I want you to investigate that and let me know if any of the conspiracy theories are correct. If nothing else, it's a great little rabbit hole for me to venture down. I have a feeling you're going to fight back. There's nothing there, but I would like you to investigate.

Speaker 1:
[63:50] I can give you a very simple answer right now, if you'd like it. Oh, go ahead. It's very short, very concise. Everybody has an overlapping claim of Antarctica, because everybody wants a slice of it, because everybody thinks there might be something valuable there, gold, oil, who knows. But because everybody has an overlapping claim, and because there's no proof that it has these good things yet, nobody was willing to go to war over it, so everybody shook hands and said, 99-year treaty where nobody does anything, that treaty is approaching its end and will come up for review. If it doesn't get passed, people are probably going to do some explorative drilling and searches to see if there's anything valuable down there, and if there is, there's going to be a bit of a fight over it. That's that.

Speaker 3:
[64:24] That would cause a lot of conspiracy theories. So there's not an alien city in the middle of Antarctica.

Speaker 1:
[64:30] There was a 99-year treaty that made it a very, a very well-respected nature preserve.

Speaker 3:
[64:36] Indira, why would you know this, Chase, just randomly?

Speaker 1:
[64:40] I mean, I've thought about going to Antarctica. You got to fill out a bunch of permits and...

Speaker 2:
[64:43] You can't go to Antarctica. You have to go to Africa.

Speaker 1:
[64:47] No, you can go to Antarctica. It's pretty cool. It's pretty much a day ferry from, I think, Tasmania, maybe.

Speaker 2:
[64:52] Oh, God.

Speaker 3:
[64:54] Okay, Chase, thank you for coming on. Ryan, thank you. Until next week, be safe.

Speaker 2:
[65:00] Y'all come back now, you hear?