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Speaker 1:
[00:02] Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge.

Speaker 2:
[00:16] Hi guys, welcome to another episode of Two Ts In A Pod with myself, Teddi Mellencamp and...

Speaker 1:
[00:21] Dolores Catania. Hi everyone.

Speaker 2:
[00:23] Hi.

Speaker 1:
[00:24] How are you?

Speaker 2:
[00:26] I'm, you know, I'm doing okay today. I'm not...

Speaker 1:
[00:29] You look good.

Speaker 2:
[00:30] I look good?

Speaker 1:
[00:31] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[00:32] You know, how did your pictures turn out last night from whatever you did?

Speaker 1:
[00:37] Oh my God. So, Melissa Gorgas started screaming across the restaurant, did you get a BBL? Because you know, I'm like, no, Melissa, I gained weight. She's like, tell the truth. No, there's no, no. She was like, you know, you got... And she's got my ass in her hands and she's shaking it with her whole body. She's like, look at this ass. I'm like, no, not enjoying this compliment. I'm, and she meant well, but she actually didn't believe me that I wasn't lying.

Speaker 2:
[01:18] She didn't believe you?

Speaker 1:
[01:20] No. And I tell the truth all the time. She's like, no, no, you're not telling the truth. So, so I got the pictures and the people that we were with are new to these things. So I wanted to like, how do I tell them that we can't like, it's, is there a different, maybe a filter or maybe, you know, you got to fix it, cut me in half.

Speaker 2:
[01:43] Do you say, don't know about FaceTune yet?

Speaker 1:
[01:46] If the face was fine, who's the rest of me? And I, and I'm afraid to ask them to fix it because I think they did. You think they already fixed it?

Speaker 2:
[01:57] Yeah. No.

Speaker 1:
[01:59] So I might just roll with it, Teddi. Melissa, at least like it made me feel better to think that it looked good.

Speaker 2:
[02:07] You look amazing always. Let's be honest.

Speaker 1:
[02:10] And I had to pick my stretchiest pants to put on and they were tight. When the pants that were so big on you are now so tight.

Speaker 2:
[02:20] I feel you. I feel you.

Speaker 1:
[02:22] And I unsnapped my body suit in the back of the Uber because it was hurting. It's so small on me now.

Speaker 2:
[02:30] Yeah, I hate when that happens and you have to just unsnap it and give yourself a little bit of freedom.

Speaker 1:
[02:34] It wasn't an Uber. It was Teddi, the driver. He's seen a lot of my days. Teddi knows where all the bodies are.

Speaker 2:
[02:42] He knows. He knows. Before we get into recapping Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, we have a Dancing with the Stars announcement.

Speaker 1:
[02:51] Did you see?

Speaker 2:
[02:53] Oh, my gosh. So it's going to be Sierra Miller and Trish or Maura Higgins.

Speaker 1:
[03:00] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[03:01] They announced that they're both going to be on. I'm excited about this.

Speaker 1:
[03:05] I'm so excited. This is going to be good. Imagine if one of these girls win.

Speaker 2:
[03:11] Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 1:
[03:13] Well, did you see who else is on?

Speaker 2:
[03:15] Well, I don't know yet.

Speaker 1:
[03:17] Why did they just talk about those two? Why did they just announce?

Speaker 2:
[03:21] They just announced them. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[03:24] They do it in waves?

Speaker 2:
[03:25] Yeah, they do it in waves.

Speaker 1:
[03:26] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[03:28] I mean, I think it's pretty exciting. Did you also see the commercial with Ariana and-

Speaker 1:
[03:36] And Ciara?

Speaker 2:
[03:37] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[03:37] No. What was it?

Speaker 2:
[03:39] It's like for some kind of slushy or something like that.

Speaker 1:
[03:42] Oh, my God.

Speaker 2:
[03:44] I know. But they're like, talk like they're both like, how's everything going? Anything new? And they're like, nope, nothing new going on. They are capitalizing this on every second they can.

Speaker 1:
[03:56] That's crazy. Oh, it's for Sonic. Go, Ciara. That is so cool. Whoever thought of that was brilliant. And to come up with it quick like that.

Speaker 2:
[04:08] I know.

Speaker 1:
[04:09] Like this just kind of happened. This has only been going on for like a couple of weeks. Would it Sonic run to the boardroom and say, we're going to cap it. Like you could tell who's working for Sonic in their marketing department.

Speaker 2:
[04:22] They're not missing any crumbs.

Speaker 1:
[04:23] That they were able to pull this together so quick, right?

Speaker 2:
[04:27] Yeah. And those girls, of course, are going to want to capitalize on it.

Speaker 1:
[04:31] Well, they know. They know what brings like, this is like people. But why didn't somebody repost this?

Speaker 2:
[04:37] I just saw it today. I just was looking at it.

Speaker 1:
[04:40] I might see me and Sierra share Derek, DLS management. We have the same manager.

Speaker 2:
[04:46] Oh.

Speaker 1:
[04:47] Like a freaking rock star, this guy. I mean, he's the lifeline for us.

Speaker 2:
[04:52] He's the lifeline. Okay. So that makes sense.

Speaker 1:
[04:55] I'm going to, I'll have to get it from him. I didn't see him post it.

Speaker 2:
[04:59] Yeah. I just saw it like on one of those like bloggers.

Speaker 1:
[05:03] Diane, that is so, no, he's got Sierra dancing with the stars, the cast announcement, her and Maura Higgins. That's it. He didn't post it. All right, Derrick. I'm sure by the end of the day.

Speaker 2:
[05:14] Derrick.

Speaker 1:
[05:15] Just keeping him busy these days.

Speaker 2:
[05:16] Don't worry, Derrick. I'm on top of it.

Speaker 1:
[05:19] Don't worry, Derrick.

Speaker 2:
[05:20] Don't worry, Derrick. So we are at episode one of the reunion for Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

Speaker 1:
[05:30] This is season 15, episode 19. They always get so many episodes. New Jersey gets shafted with 12 on a good day.

Speaker 2:
[05:42] And then they always have so much less. They always have three reunions too.

Speaker 1:
[05:48] We have three because it's a bloodbath. But yeah, they have three reunions. I know.

Speaker 2:
[05:54] I know.

Speaker 1:
[05:55] What do you think about this? I thought it was pretty good.

Speaker 2:
[05:58] I thought it was actually pretty good. It's off to a good start. I think it starts out where Rachel confirms that she has no intent of having a relationship with Roger's new girlfriend. She said things could have been much worse, but she didn't say them regarding Roger. I'm a little bit confused here. Why, if you're going to not say them, then don't allude to things being worse.

Speaker 1:
[06:23] Well, the funny thing is she starts off by getting, what's the word I'm looking for? Not accolades, but from Andy saying, you were so much more open than I thought you would be. Then she's like, yeah, and I didn't even say most of it, like the stuff. I hate to always go back to this, but if that was New Jersey, they'd be like, walk back out and come back in, because now that you said it, we want to know what you're talking about.

Speaker 2:
[06:50] Now, what are you talking about? Give us the details and what are we missing?

Speaker 1:
[06:56] But I mean, listen, I like her. I thought she was a great addition. At some point, see, I understand it's kind of new, the way she's feeling towards this, but if someone's going to be around your children, do you want to get to know them and put things aside? Because what are you going to do? What are you going to do at this point?

Speaker 2:
[07:21] At this point, I mean, I think we're like two years into this.

Speaker 1:
[07:24] So this is the girl that broke up their marriage, right?

Speaker 2:
[07:29] No, I don't think so.

Speaker 1:
[07:32] It's not.

Speaker 2:
[07:34] No, I think their marriage was just over.

Speaker 1:
[07:37] No, because she said that in one of the beginning episodes that the way the marriage was over, she went to visit him. He was somewhere. She got a feeling, walked in and he was cheating on her. Oh, so that's how the marriage ended.

Speaker 2:
[07:53] Okay, so now I've forgotten about that.

Speaker 1:
[07:56] I feel like this is the woman who did it and I get that. I get it. She said it. She said it was a betrayal. And then she said she went to see him where he was and saw what was going on and that's what ended the marriage. So I'm going to just take it like this. Like, you know, at this point already, just fucking say it what it is.

Speaker 2:
[08:21] But the problem that's confusing me is because she obviously wants us to think she's low drama, but she's not she's not allowing us to fill in the blanks, which is never good.

Speaker 1:
[08:33] Right. So I'll fill in the blanks for her. So she catches him cheating on her. And the way she feels towards this woman, I have to feel like this is the woman who ended the marriage. But I felt like maybe the marriage was on its way out anyway.

Speaker 2:
[08:50] So I mean, I think I read something or saw something that she said it was like seven years in the making.

Speaker 1:
[08:57] Okay. So I shouldn't have to be putting all this together because you're on a show and now you've got to talk about what's going on. And since it's seven years in the making, let's talk about what it is.

Speaker 2:
[09:08] Yeah. But I thought she did a good job. I liked her.

Speaker 1:
[09:12] I loved her.

Speaker 2:
[09:13] I loved her. I had to.

Speaker 1:
[09:15] Her hair.

Speaker 2:
[09:16] Her hair. I mean, she has a lot of hair.

Speaker 1:
[09:20] I'm not mad at it.

Speaker 2:
[09:22] You're not mad at it?

Speaker 1:
[09:22] I know some people are like, she should not have it so long. I love it.

Speaker 2:
[09:26] I mean, it looks beautiful. Mine, I mean, hello.

Speaker 1:
[09:30] Yeah, no, but you could have that hair too.

Speaker 2:
[09:34] I mean.

Speaker 1:
[09:34] It's not her hair.

Speaker 2:
[09:35] I know, but I've got some time before I can even get some extensions in like that. But I need to find out who does hers. But then they get to the part where Rachel claims the guy she has been just a friend with and she kept saying just a friend.

Speaker 1:
[09:52] Did you see his picture?

Speaker 2:
[09:54] I saw his picture, but also the fact that he's a relational intelligence and love coach.

Speaker 1:
[10:08] I mean, renowned, he's renowned.

Speaker 2:
[10:11] Renowned.

Speaker 1:
[10:12] Relational intelligence and love coach.

Speaker 2:
[10:17] I mean, did you see Amanda's face? She had never been more excited in her entire life.

Speaker 1:
[10:22] No, I think she was going to actually masturbate on the couch. She's going to finger herself. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2:
[10:29] She wanted to. I think she was. She's like, she's like, really, what's this job about that Sasha Hart has? Explain it to me.

Speaker 1:
[10:41] So is relational intelligence like emotional intelligence? Because that's like the only book I ever read. I actually just bought it again. I was buying it at the airport.

Speaker 2:
[10:53] Well, I mean, she couldn't explain it and she's the one talking to him.

Speaker 1:
[11:00] Yeah, maybe she's not listening to what he does.

Speaker 2:
[11:03] Or maybe she just didn't want to have to come clean with what he does do because then she knew what Amanda was going to say.

Speaker 1:
[11:09] And she got a little shy.

Speaker 2:
[11:12] No, I think she got a little embarrassed.

Speaker 1:
[11:20] I don't like guessing.

Speaker 2:
[11:22] I don't like guessing either. But I mean, I don't know. I mean, he's a love coach. He helps trouble explaining. I mean, I have a love coach.

Speaker 1:
[11:34] And how is that different than a relational intelligence? Can we have him on?

Speaker 2:
[11:41] We need him on. We need to understand what he does. Does he sell things on courses online or is he just like a therapist that you go to? What exactly is happening here? He empowers high achieving individuals to harmonize their life and leadership skills and unlock a new paradigm of personal sovereignty, confidence and love. Maybe I need him. The way that this show is all full circle. And I mean, then it even comes to Bose bringing up her job. Amanda's all excited about that too. I mean, is Amanda growing on you?

Speaker 1:
[12:24] You know, I would be able to make a better opinion of her if everybody wasn't always jumping down her throat at one time.

Speaker 2:
[12:32] And if she actually was a little bit open. But now we'll get to her in a second.

Speaker 1:
[12:37] But not everybody's open on the show about their things.

Speaker 2:
[12:40] Yeah. But before we get to her, we've got to talk about Andy. You know, he's thanking Erica about being open about her DV situation. After the episode aired, Erica said that she didn't ever speak to him again.

Speaker 1:
[12:56] I'm very confused.

Speaker 2:
[12:58] Okay. What are you confused about? I'll try to fill in the blanks.

Speaker 1:
[13:01] Who was this situation with?

Speaker 2:
[13:05] This situation, I think, was with somebody after Tom.

Speaker 1:
[13:12] Then who's the guy? Who's the bodyguard? GI. Joe.

Speaker 2:
[13:17] That's not him. That's a different guy.

Speaker 1:
[13:20] Okay. So there was a guy in between Tom and GI. Joe.

Speaker 2:
[13:26] That's what I'm guessing.

Speaker 1:
[13:28] And the guy in between there, she had the domestic violence, which first of all, let me preface this whole thing by saying, that's horrible. I am so sorry she went through that.

Speaker 2:
[13:41] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[13:42] And so she never talked to the guy that did it after this episode aired before, but she was already with the other guy. Happened in 2024.

Speaker 2:
[13:51] Yeah, it happened in 2024. She was already with the new guy, but what she's saying is he never contacted her after she called the cops and then he watched the episode or anything like that. Like that was the end.

Speaker 1:
[14:03] Well, the episode only airs like six months after the incident. So was she talking to him before that?

Speaker 2:
[14:09] I don't think so. I don't think so. I think when she called the cops, I think that was it.

Speaker 1:
[14:14] I'm so sorry she had to go through that, because when you're in that position, you actually think you're going to die.

Speaker 2:
[14:19] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[14:21] You know, it's it's horrible. It's scary. It's traumatic. It stays with you. And, you know, maybe that incident even made her love this guy like this guy even more than she's with, because she feels very safe with him.

Speaker 2:
[14:35] Yeah, that's what she kept saying. Feels so safe. And, you know, she also says that Tom was emotionally and financially abusive to her.

Speaker 1:
[14:43] A lot of powerful men are.

Speaker 2:
[14:45] Yeah. So I think that, you know, but the part that I found so shocking about all of this is Dorit still pretending like she had no idea that Erica was going through anything for 100 percent. Dorit knew about what happened in 2024 with this guy, with the domestic violence. Yes.

Speaker 1:
[15:03] I feel so horrible that she had to go through that. And the fact that she was brave enough to talk about it, because there is shame, like she says, there is shame that that happens. There is shame that you feel like, what did I do to make that happen? Why did I allow that to happen? There had to be signs before it got to that point that I should have got out of something. And then there's shame with it. But there's also her speaking of it is number one, I feel like it helps you heal. And number two, it helps other women come forward.

Speaker 2:
[15:34] Yeah, it helps. I mean, I think, you know, she when she originally talked about it was because she was sitting with Denise. And so I think we're seeing a lot softer side.

Speaker 1:
[15:45] She said that.

Speaker 2:
[15:46] Yeah. So I think, you know, once she started talking with Denise about it, she realized, like, I need to open up about this as well, because it's going to help change a lot of people's perception of this doesn't just happen to certain people. I mean, like, Erika is a strong woman. Yeah. She is a strong woman. She has a lot of, you know, I wouldn't want to f with her.

Speaker 1:
[16:13] No, you know, you don't have to think that that's ever okay, even if you grow up around it.

Speaker 2:
[16:20] Yeah. It's not okay.

Speaker 1:
[16:22] It's not okay. Even if it's a familiarity to you.

Speaker 2:
[16:27] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[16:28] It doesn't mean somebody loves you because they put their hands on you, because they get mad enough that you're able to evoke that emotion that they love you and then they blame you. They say it's your fault, right? Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[16:39] Then they gaslight you and they're thinking that.

Speaker 1:
[16:43] That guilt that they put on you is more of a form of control. Hitting you is a form of control mentally.

Speaker 2:
[16:50] Not leaving your house.

Speaker 1:
[16:52] Not leaving your house when you ask them to. They're fucking sick and fuck them and get away from them because you will live a miserable life and possibly wind up dead because it can happen.

Speaker 2:
[17:06] It's never going to get better.

Speaker 1:
[17:08] It will never, that person will never change. They will never to not be able to hurt you in one way or another, you will get hurt and they're broken.

Speaker 2:
[17:20] Yeah, they're broken and they care more about the control than anything else.

Speaker 1:
[17:26] Yeah, and a lot of women are afraid. They're afraid to make that phone call. They're afraid to even use their phone to text someone or to call a domestic violence, but find your strength and know that you're not alone.

Speaker 2:
[17:38] But I thought she was really open. I agree with her.

Speaker 1:
[17:40] I appreciate that.

Speaker 2:
[17:41] I appreciated how open she was. I have a question for you. I think it's interesting that people are constantly trying to hold Erika accountable over what Tom did, yet Dorit, not knowing PK, hadn't paid the mortgage for six months is okay.

Speaker 1:
[18:11] I've never turned on Erika for this. And I still say that, like, I don't believe Erika was seeing anything he signed, did, took. She lived a life of ignorance, was bliss for her. And she also looked up to him, even though he was so many things, miserable, walked on eggshells. She looked up to him like so many people did, thinking he was doing the right thing because he was a smart guy.

Speaker 2:
[18:45] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[18:47] Sorry. Yeah, I don't think she knew.

Speaker 2:
[18:52] I don't think she knew either. But like, Dorit, you know, get your head out of the sand.

Speaker 1:
[19:00] Dorit's angry.

Speaker 2:
[19:01] Dorit is so angry. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[19:04] And it really comes off.

Speaker 2:
[19:06] She can't even look at, like, some things like, have you noticed her eyes? Like, she's like, because she's mad.

Speaker 1:
[19:12] Like, she wants to fight someone. And, you know, I've gone through divorce. You've gone through shit.

Speaker 2:
[19:18] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[19:19] We've gone through shit. When you're going through it, when you're in the thick of it and you're in survival mode, like you're you're mad at that, like you can't even get your head straight. Like Kyle was saying, she's like, has ADHD or room was a mess. Remember that scene last year? I really hope they were going to pull together for each other at that time. You know, she went to Dorit's house. She had shit everywhere. Yeah, that's what happens. You forget you're supposed to be places, forget to pick up your kids from school.

Speaker 2:
[19:49] Everything. Yeah, everything is a mess.

Speaker 1:
[19:52] Exaggerated. Everything's exaggerated.

Speaker 2:
[19:55] Yeah. But like, because then we jump in to Dorit versus Kyle and Dorit claims that Kyle told Moe, who then told PK that Dorit was having a bad season. I'm like, Dorit, if PK was lying about paying the mortgage for the past six months, you don't think he may be lying about who told him she's having a bad season?

Speaker 1:
[20:19] I don't think he's lying. I think Kyle did tell Moe and I think Moe did tell PK, but that's the way this goes. Kyle and Dorit aren't really close right now. So she is saying to Moe when they speak, if they speak, yeah, Dorit's having a shit season. I could totally see that happening. And you know what? So what? What's she going to do about it? PK shoved it in her face. He's the asshole for throwing it in her face.

Speaker 2:
[20:45] Well, we have to remember PK used to also be her manager.

Speaker 1:
[20:50] Right. So I believe I believe something was said to him. And I think that Mo and Kyle should refrain if he's going to open his mouth and say to Dorit what they say to him, even in a fit of I want to bust your balls. They probably should not say stuff to him. I do believe it. I'm sorry. I do.

Speaker 2:
[21:07] I don't think Kyle said anything.

Speaker 1:
[21:09] I think Kyle said it to Mo.

Speaker 2:
[21:11] She may have said it to Mo, but I can't imagine. I don't think she's invested enough. Like I don't think, I don't think she cares enough.

Speaker 1:
[21:22] I agree.

Speaker 2:
[21:23] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[21:24] I think she's busy.

Speaker 2:
[21:25] Yeah. And then Dorit just talks about how she's pissed that Kyle made her life harder with the words that she used. Kyle tries to explain that everyone was talking about it. We see unseen footage where Rachel is telling Kyle, she was worried because Dorit was missing for 45 minutes.

Speaker 1:
[21:41] Why are you worried that Dorit's missing for? Why are you? She's a little performative. Rachel, sometimes a little over dramatic for me.

Speaker 2:
[21:48] But I thought it was weird they didn't show that scene originally. Why we only got to see this at the reunion.

Speaker 1:
[21:54] I mean, I don't mind seeing it now.

Speaker 2:
[21:56] I know, but I wanted to see it then.

Speaker 1:
[21:59] But what's the big deal? So, she was missing for 45 minutes smoking somewhere. Or maybe she was wandering around the airport or, you know, try to meet somebody. That's a great place to meet somebody, by the way. So hold on, I thought this happened the night they were out. I thought they were at an airport or something.

Speaker 2:
[22:18] I don't know. I got confused.

Speaker 1:
[22:20] Wherever they were. Well, if they were out together.

Speaker 2:
[22:22] They were at the Hamptons. Yeah, it was when they were in the Hamptons.

Speaker 1:
[22:25] And were they out at a club together?

Speaker 2:
[22:27] Yeah, remember when they were like having champagne and they were having hot girls summer.

Speaker 1:
[22:32] Let's take this back then.

Speaker 2:
[22:34] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[22:35] I would be concerned if I didn't see my friend who I went somewhere with for 45 minutes.

Speaker 2:
[22:40] That's what I'm saying. I would be concerned.

Speaker 1:
[22:42] I thought they were like at an airport. I disappear all the time at airports. Don't look for me.

Speaker 2:
[22:46] Yeah. Like sometimes you want to go buy stuff in the little.

Speaker 1:
[22:49] I wander.

Speaker 2:
[22:50] Yeah. But no, this is out at night in the Hamptons when you're with your friend, who's clearly going through it and. You know, Rachel says it, Rachel says it to Kyle, and they don't show us that the entire season. So it makes it look like only Kyle's talking about it. But no, clearly Rachel was saying, you know, like I had extreme concerned because I couldn't find her for 45 minutes.

Speaker 1:
[23:14] Well maybe she shouldn't have said it to Kyle, who she's not getting along with.

Speaker 2:
[23:18] Yeah, but they were the three in the Hamptons together.

Speaker 1:
[23:22] Oh they were. That's right.

Speaker 2:
[23:24] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[23:26] So I don't think she was wrong for repeating it to Kyle. I don't think she was wrong for being worried about where she was for 45 minutes when they went somewhere together. And what's the big deal if she said it to Kyle? Anyway, it's not a big deal.

Speaker 2:
[23:40] It's not a big deal. I mean, it's just that's what happens. I mean, that's what when you're in a friend group and something happens and it makes you nervous, you say it.

Speaker 1:
[23:50] Exactly.

Speaker 2:
[23:51] Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[23:53] There was nothing wrong with her. She's been very good to actually Dorit this season.

Speaker 2:
[23:59] She's been beyond good, I think, to Dorit this season.

Speaker 1:
[24:01] She's been very good to Dorit. So I don't think that Dorit should be upset about it. And I don't think anyone should make a big deal about it. So what? So what? She said, I'm missing you. You know, why did Kyle have to bring that up?

Speaker 2:
[24:15] Kyle didn't bring it up. Rachel brought it up. Kyle brought up that she wasn't the only one saying things.

Speaker 1:
[24:22] See, I don't like when people really do that to justify what they're saying.

Speaker 2:
[24:27] But yeah, I know it's hard. It's like it's hard because if I mean, I think at the beginning when we hear, you know, Kyle's the longest running house that she's been on for 15 years, she's done all this. I think there's a part of her that's like when things aren't right, when they're not shown the way that she knows that it happened, I think that she feels like, what the hell? Like she is, I want things to be shown in the order that it happens.

Speaker 1:
[24:58] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[24:59] You don't think so?

Speaker 1:
[25:00] Unless it's her story.

Speaker 2:
[25:02] No, I think when it comes to her story.

Speaker 1:
[25:05] I felt like Dorie kind of like hung onto her and stayed close to her and never voiced her opinion because she kind of looked up to Kyle.

Speaker 2:
[25:17] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[25:18] Now she resents that she did that.

Speaker 2:
[25:20] Yeah. I think she also needed Kyle.

Speaker 1:
[25:24] Well, I was trying not to say that.

Speaker 2:
[25:26] I think she needed Kyle. I think the fact that she needed her and now she had that one good season and she feels like I don't need her anymore.

Speaker 1:
[25:36] Plus she's going through a divorce and she's mad and all this stuff is coming out and she's got a lot of responsibility, a lot on her plate. It's a lot.

Speaker 2:
[25:47] Do you think there's any kind of like that she's upset that Mo and Kyle have a good relationship and her and PK don't?

Speaker 1:
[25:58] I don't think so. I don't think she's jealous of Kyle.

Speaker 2:
[26:02] You don't?

Speaker 1:
[26:03] I don't. No.

Speaker 2:
[26:04] Well, because when Dorit tells Kyle, she can afford. So Dorit kind of explains why she goes and spends all this money at Love. I love that she acts like Love Shack Fancy. It's like we've never heard of it.

Speaker 1:
[26:16] Like it's at every wasn't Love Shack Fancy that she spent four thousand dollars.

Speaker 2:
[26:21] Yes, it's Love Shack Fancy. Like it's not a little store that had a lot of stuff in there. Yeah, she acted like it was a small little boutique that nobody's seen before.

Speaker 1:
[26:31] Like a one off like pop up boutique. It's Love Shack Fancy. I think they're doing OK. I don't think that you needed to help their business by spending all the money there because you were actually doing it because it was Rachel's friend's store. And they let us film there when no one else really wanted us to film. So I spent four thousand dollars as a courtesy.

Speaker 2:
[26:54] Yeah. And it's like, no, no, no, no. And it's like Love Shack Fancy. The fact that no, that's what I couldn't handle. I was like, this is Love Shack Fancy. Like my like girls begged me to get them stuff from Love Shack Fancy. And it's expensive.

Speaker 1:
[27:12] I know it is, I buy from there. But it's, I mean, pre, this weight, but yeah.

Speaker 2:
[27:35] Well, I love that when we're back to Love Shack Fancy again, and Dorit tells Kyle that she can afford to spend 4,000 on clothes and doesn't need Kyle's judgment. And then Kyle's little dig here, she's like, I think we're in completely different financial situations.

Speaker 1:
[27:51] I think it was a huge dig. It was a little dig. Her saying that to me, I'd be like, fuck yourself. But her saying that to Dorit is like, Dorit and her money and her things mean a lot to her. Being able to buy her beautiful clothes, I've always called her the best dress housewife, always. That was like a real like, that's like her Achilles heel, I feel like.

Speaker 2:
[28:18] But I think also it needs to be said. I mean, I have to be honest, I'm not out spending $4,000 right now on random clothes that I'm probably not going to wear. Yeah, no, I'm financially in a different place than I was.

Speaker 1:
[28:35] She wasn't wrong by saying that, but she in my family, we would say she knocked her down without a punch.

Speaker 2:
[28:43] Yeah, yeah, that's true. Then Dorit calls out Amanda for her statement that Dorit outsourced her financial well-being to a man. Amanda thinks it's important for every woman to know about their financial status, even if they aren't making the income. I agree with Amanda on this.

Speaker 1:
[29:04] Amanda is so 100,000 percent right. I so agree with her. But why don't you use this time that you're on the show to show these women how to do it? Because when she sat in front of Dorit and said, you need to manifest your checkbook or some shit, like I walked away from that scene, I walked into that scene excited to hear what a woman who's made a lot of money and who seems to be like a financial guru was going to say, and I left there with nothing.

Speaker 2:
[29:38] Because that's what you're missing. There is nothing. That's what it is. She's created this manifestation business where you manifest making money and people buy her courses. Do we know how many of her clients have a ton of money now? No.

Speaker 1:
[30:00] Do you know I saw something on Instagram that said, Jesus talked about manifesting in the Bible more than he talked about any other thing?

Speaker 2:
[30:08] Yeah. I mean, I think-

Speaker 1:
[30:09] Maybe she's on to something.

Speaker 2:
[30:11] I think there is something to manifestation. But I do think if somebody is going broke and they don't know how to fix it, and somebody's told me to manifest it, I'd be pissed.

Speaker 1:
[30:24] Okay. I'm going to tell you something. Liz McGraw, my best friend, one of my very best friends in the world, said to me to manifest my weight number. I haven't spoke to her since. That was two days ago. She's like, put the number in your head. Put the number in your head. I'm telling you, it works. I said, Liz, you're my friend, but I'm not. I'm actually going to hang up right now, Liz.

Speaker 2:
[30:58] Liz, I'm actually going to take a little break from this conversation.

Speaker 1:
[31:01] She goes, you just manifest the number.

Speaker 2:
[31:05] You know what? That's never worked for me.

Speaker 1:
[31:07] I love her so much. She's so smart, but I haven't spoke to her since. I actually, she's on my list to call today.

Speaker 2:
[31:20] You're like, I got to do it.

Speaker 1:
[31:21] I'm like, Liz, this one I'm not going to go for with you.

Speaker 2:
[31:25] Yeah. But I love the way that Amanda kind of phrases everything. It's never just like the way it is. It's outsourced her financial well-being to a man.

Speaker 1:
[31:37] Amanda, I would have been happy in that scene when you were going to help Dorit. Tell me how to manifest whatever it is. You just like said manifest this and do this and do this.

Speaker 2:
[31:48] But I think if I'm going to have Amanda's back, which it's hard for me to have because she bugs me so much. I don't think the girl, because Amanda went in thinking the show is about showing your nice purses and doing that.

Speaker 1:
[32:04] Like she said, make sure the camera gets my Chanel. I've never loved Erica more. She goes, come on, we're too old for that shit.

Speaker 2:
[32:13] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[32:13] Like we're not saying, look at my bag, because you want to know why we've all lost it.

Speaker 2:
[32:20] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[32:20] And at the end of the day, when you go to sell your bags, maybe the Chanel's hold their value. When you go to Hockey Jewelry and all those fancy shits that you got, you can't get, what does it get? What does it buy you? At the end of the day, what does all this stuff mean? Amanda is not emotionally mature, if that's something to say.

Speaker 2:
[32:41] She's not understand... Well, I actually believe... You know, some people say they've never watched the show when they come in the show. I actually believe Amanda. And if she did watch the show...

Speaker 1:
[32:51] Oh, she didn't watch the show.

Speaker 2:
[32:52] There's no way she watched it and behaved the way that she did.

Speaker 1:
[32:56] Amanda didn't watch the show because Amanda watches, I think, would think like, why would I bother watching them?

Speaker 2:
[33:05] Yeah. Well, she claimed she, you know, she talked about the labels in the bags this season because she thought it was a large part of the show. She thought that was what she needed to do. And I wanted to be like, but then you look at everybody else's bags and you realize that yours is the worst of the ones. Like, what makes you... Like, Doreen may be carrying that Hermes bag every single scene, but like-

Speaker 1:
[33:33] And Kyle has 500. Like, she's got a bag and a bag and a bag, all different sizes, like the Russian doll that you open it, and then the smaller ones in it, and the smaller ones in it. She's got her men's bags that do that. Like, Amanda, you're not proven not- You're walking in to seasoned women, not just seasoned on the show. They've all been through their shit, okay? You're not- Amanda, you're not going to impress anybody. I promise you, they've been through death, distress, divorce. They've been through family fighting and laws, you name it. Everybody in the show has been through something of that. You are not bringing anything here to these women. You can take away from them, and when you figure that out, maybe we'll have a different conversation.

Speaker 2:
[34:28] Well, I mean, I think that's what Erica said to her. Erica said to her, we're too old for this show. We can't deal with it. This is getting ridiculous. But I think she's so obsessed with making sure that people know that she has money. It's over past everything else.

Speaker 1:
[34:51] That's what I'm saying. She's trying, she's coming in trying to say, what I feel from her, if I had to think that I feel like she feels is, look at everywhere I go, I'm a big shot.

Speaker 2:
[35:07] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[35:07] She's not able to evolve into that little fish now.

Speaker 2:
[35:13] Right.

Speaker 1:
[35:14] That's a hard nut for her to take. She's having a really hard time with that because she's a big shot where she is, even in her own home.

Speaker 2:
[35:24] Yeah. Oh gosh, we'll get into the husband in a second. But I mean, I'm not going to say that when I first joined the show, that there wasn't time, so I was like, okay, I'm going to buy a bag I probably wouldn't normally buy. Like, not on the show. I just would buy it and then carry it. Because there were moments where I would feel insecure that I didn't have any name brand bags. Like, but I wasn't like, okay, now let's get a shot of it. Let's talk about it. I just wanted to, I guess fit in.

Speaker 1:
[35:51] You know what the show is about? Being transparent.

Speaker 2:
[35:54] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[35:55] Being open, being vulnerable, arguing, and then getting over it. Not being full of yourself.

Speaker 2:
[36:03] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[36:06] You can be that sometimes, but not all the time.

Speaker 2:
[36:10] But then don't worry. Andy brings up that in an interview, Amanda claimed that Bose's online course was not doing well. Amanda says Bose told her that. Bose says her online courses are for individuals who don't get the opportunity to go to Harvard. Amanda creates business so she can be rich as fuck. Then they do the flashback of Bose talking about her online course to Amanda.

Speaker 1:
[36:33] She says, I lose money on it, but she explained what she meant by that.

Speaker 2:
[36:39] She didn't even say she loses money on it. She says, I don't even worry about making money on it.

Speaker 1:
[36:43] That's what that was more like. Because Amanda is so far from that, she didn't understand what Bose was saying. She did say she loses. She's like, I lose money. It's not about making money for me. So, Amanda took from that.

Speaker 2:
[37:00] You're not successful.

Speaker 1:
[37:01] I'm not successful. What Bose was saying was, it's not about the money for me. I'm educating people and giving them the tools I didn't have. I'm not going to make money on this. This is like a philanthropy for me. This is like charity.

Speaker 2:
[37:16] This is me giving back. This is me knowing I have the knowledge and I want to give it to other people. But Amanda can't see that because Amanda is so busy.

Speaker 1:
[37:25] She's detached from that.

Speaker 2:
[37:26] Yeah, she wants to just make sure that she's making the money.

Speaker 1:
[37:30] Right. And guess what? Who are we to fault her for that?

Speaker 2:
[37:34] True. But we need more. I need more from her. I need...

Speaker 1:
[37:40] I think she's giving.

Speaker 2:
[37:41] You think Amanda's giving?

Speaker 1:
[37:44] Yeah. I think she's giving exactly what she is. I think she's making no airs about what she is and who's to fault her for that. Like, you can't blame somebody else for not wanting to be the philanthropist of it all. Amanda's new and coming. Bose has been in the game a long time. She's been successful. She's been through hell and back. She's been through all these things. Amanda, I feel like she's not a young girl, but she's just like, I feel like this is the beginning of her life. She's only, COVID's not five years away. This is when Amanda became on the, got on the map.

Speaker 2:
[38:29] Yeah. And then they kind of talked about Amanda and her husband and the girls tried to give Amanda advice.

Speaker 1:
[38:37] I loved how they were giving her advice.

Speaker 2:
[38:39] But she wouldn't listen at all. Not for a second.

Speaker 1:
[38:43] Well, who's going? Well, I would have liked to hear more from Sutton because yeah, Sutton and her like Sutton tried to reach her and Sutton until she took her pillow and used it as a laptop holder.

Speaker 2:
[39:00] But Sutton, I think I think Sutton, you know, Sutton talked a lot this episode.

Speaker 1:
[39:04] This doesn't mean she's not going to.

Speaker 2:
[39:06] Yeah. But I think she does say like, listen, if my ex-husband said those things about me, I would be hurt because I'm taking care of the family. I'm doing this, I'm doing that. And in that moment, when Sutton was making so much sense, Amanda still couldn't be like, you're right. Or when Erica said to her, you know, you go above and beyond to emasculate your husband, he's got to feel it. And she's like, no, but we're in the same bed at night talking about it.

Speaker 1:
[39:41] So I tell him what I meant. And Erica, I have never loved her so much more than I did in this moment. When she is speaking like a woman of experience, she's like, listen to me. He might be sitting in your bed telling you, but when the day comes that he's going to want to use something against you, he's going to go back to this.

Speaker 2:
[40:08] Yeah, it was such a good analogy. And the fact that Amanda still can't take it in, Amanda is so stubborn.

Speaker 1:
[40:18] Well, you don't evolve. Yeah, you can't. So the Amanda we see now will be the Amanda you see at 50, at 60, and so on, because unless someone takes accountability, she will not, she's not ever going to change. And if she likes the way she is, then she doesn't have to. It seems to work for her. Her husband likes her, he kisses her ass, no matter what she says about him. She makes a fuck ton of money. Her followers love her.

Speaker 2:
[40:45] So she's in her own. Do you think she's going to be back?

Speaker 1:
[40:50] Yes. Yeah, because she's going to come back because she still thinks she could turn this around.

Speaker 2:
[40:56] Yeah. No, that's true.

Speaker 1:
[41:00] Accountability is everything here. It's everything in life for me. If I didn't take accountability for something I did wrong or didn't think I need to be better at something ever, how am I going to ever evolve?

Speaker 2:
[41:14] Yeah, you don't grow. How are you going to be better at selling these courses if you won't even listen to the women that have the experience and the knowledge, and have gone through it, and you just, I don't know. I thought the last time I saw Amanda when she was with Andy on Watch What Happens Live, I thought it seemed like Andy loved her, and it didn't feel that way this episode. You know how it seems like he has his faves?

Speaker 1:
[41:42] Yes. Yes, we know.

Speaker 2:
[41:45] Yeah. But she didn't seem like a fave this episode. But I mean, the only other thing that I guess there is to really talk-

Speaker 1:
[41:52] Because people don't like people that don't take accountability.

Speaker 2:
[41:54] Yeah. It gets annoying. It gets annoying and it gets old.

Speaker 1:
[41:59] Well, she did, don't forget, she did say when we said we want to bring her on, she said, no thanks.

Speaker 2:
[42:10] But the only other big part we get into in this reunion is the Dreet and Kyle stuff where they start fighting again. And Kyle's like, Andy, can you give me a second to talk? And he's like, no, I can't. And sounds like impossible. Oh, like Dreet is just, she's like a dog with a bone. She's not letting go.

Speaker 1:
[42:35] She's not. For me, this is years of frustration manifesting. This is manifested over the years. This is a lot of resentment, I feel like. And this is just, it's sad to watch. It really is.

Speaker 2:
[42:57] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[42:57] I think that there are two people that could have worked together, but I don't think they're ever going to be real friends again.

Speaker 2:
[43:04] I don't know that they ever like-

Speaker 1:
[43:06] Maybe were.

Speaker 2:
[43:07] There was always something.

Speaker 1:
[43:09] Right. But sometimes Kyle's like, well, we haven't, like Kyle, you'll see in the next episode. But we haven't really been close in two years. So then she goes, then why are you saying we were friends and you want these things to be good? Like, you know, what you contradict yourself.

Speaker 2:
[43:26] Because I think there's a, you know, there is a point in time when people are close. Like, I think it, truly, I think Erika and Kyle are close now. Like, close, close. Like, it's been- Huh, currently.

Speaker 1:
[43:40] Oh, good, I'm very happy to hear that.

Speaker 2:
[43:42] Yeah, so I think when Dorit says close and it's nowhere near what she's doing with, you know, whatever her relationship is with Bose, like, who knows what her relationship is with Bose?

Speaker 1:
[43:55] Yeah, no, I mean.

Speaker 2:
[43:57] What about when Bose asked Erika if she would DJ at her wedding? I was like, are you're getting your spot for next year?

Speaker 1:
[44:06] Oh, I know me and Bose have spoke about having a bachelorette party together.

Speaker 2:
[44:11] Oh, my God.

Speaker 1:
[44:13] We're like, we have a bachelorette party, but I don't plan my wedding right now. So that would kind of be, you know.

Speaker 2:
[44:19] Yeah, we've got we've got multiple weddings. We've got whatever. But I mean, I thought it started off good. I think we're going to get more and more into it. I think we're going to get a lot more digging in to I mean, because this was a lot. I mean, this was the pretty much the whole season. Except, yeah. So I think, you know, once we get into what happened and how she how Dorit was feeling when she was on the cast trip, that's when we're going to get into even more stuff.

Speaker 1:
[44:50] Yeah. And that was the most amazing cast trip for me of all time. I thought it was absolutely amazing.

Speaker 2:
[44:59] Yeah. So I think that's probably we're going to get some of it. Once we get some of that, we're going to get more drama. But I do think we learned a lot in this episode, which I think is good.

Speaker 1:
[45:09] I think we did learn a lot. I think it covered a lot.

Speaker 2:
[45:13] And I was thoroughly entertained.

Speaker 1:
[45:18] I was not bored.

Speaker 2:
[45:19] I wasn't bored. And you know what? I can't say that about everything.

Speaker 1:
[45:24] No, I can't. But I'm here for it. I'm looking for, I think a lot is going to come out. And I kind of heard also, speaking of reunions, that Sierra wasn't able to be at the Dancing with the Stars announcement because-

Speaker 2:
[45:40] The reunions today.

Speaker 1:
[45:43] You didn't tell me that.

Speaker 2:
[45:44] I know the reunions today. I know. Sierra did say it for ABC, saying she was finishing up things in New York. So that's, I mean, she's telling us without telling us.

Speaker 1:
[45:57] Oh my God.

Speaker 2:
[45:58] It's so good. It's so good.

Speaker 1:
[46:00] I'm texting you. I mean, I don't know. Well, that was a good one.

Speaker 2:
[46:07] That was a good one. I'm looking forward to next week.

Speaker 1:
[46:11] Bye.

Speaker 2:
[46:11] Bye.