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Speaker 1:
[00:00] Stephen, I'll be right there to record all the other Funde photographer boxes came, and I got to get them in because it's about to rain.

Speaker 2:
[00:10] Sorry for the delay, Stephen, but FedEx decided to drop off 36 boxes of Funde photographer stuff a little early. But the good thing was, FedEx actually called me prior to them coming out, just to make sure someone was here. And that to me is exactly what they need to do, especially when they're sending someone out with 36 boxes.

Speaker 3:
[00:32] So usually when I have like a freight delivery, they always call ahead of time.

Speaker 2:
[00:35] This isn't freight.

Speaker 3:
[00:36] Yeah, but it's close enough. It's a whole truck.

Speaker 2:
[00:38] But it's not freight. It's Express 1030. I don't know what they spent on this stuff because it's 36 boxes of gear.

Speaker 3:
[00:47] You actually unloaded that really fast.

Speaker 2:
[00:50] Well, so I told Austin not to be here till like 1020. They showed up at 10. When they called me, I called and had Austin come over. By the time Austin got here, all of the boxes, I already had them loaded into the side yard with the help of the FedEx guy. But then I needed help getting them into our secret loading, unloading basement of a facility that is super secret and fortified. He helped with that just as it started to rain when all the boxes were outside. This is like the fourth round of fun to photographer gear in the last. Was it before Pan? It had to be. No, it was right at the pandemic. It was during the pandemic.

Speaker 3:
[01:29] It was the old building.

Speaker 2:
[01:30] Yeah, but that's only two years. And it was during the pandemic because when we interviewed my teacher, he was wearing a mask, I was wearing a mask. So that's when the gear came in. So anyway, this round of gear is, I mean, we're getting into the good stuff. And I'm not talking about glass. I'm talking about we started to get RF bodies that are like, holy Jesus. Yes, they're six years old, but you're like, really?

Speaker 3:
[01:54] The funny thing is, all of the older mirrorless cameras from like, I'd say 2020 and on, still really hold up. Like I think of the A1, you know, that's still an incredible camera. The R5, obviously, the R6, the Z8 and the Z9, you know, they're four and a half years old at this point. And I think of the A73 too, that's a, you know, a seven year old camera.

Speaker 2:
[02:15] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[02:16] Still one of the greatest cameras ever released.

Speaker 2:
[02:18] Yeah, that was one of them. We got a ton of EF glass, no RF glass just yet, but I have a feeling that that might be coming in the next batch that we end up getting. And we are going to be able to help so many young photographers, and not just young photographers, photographers that couldn't make the transition, can't make the transition, and this is going to help them tremendously.

Speaker 3:
[02:40] Do we have adapters for EF to RF?

Speaker 2:
[02:43] No, I'm in the process of figuring that out. Whether I buy them from Brandon at Allen's Camera directly, or Canon is able to hook us up with some sort of discount. But I'll probably have to drop a couple grand to get a bunch of adapters to just at least get people set, or for $139 or whatever it is people can get. And all they need is one adapter. They can leave that on the body and just change the lenses. And that's going to be insane.

Speaker 3:
[03:11] For those that are unaware, which I feel like you probably are if you listen to this podcast, but if you want to check out all the Fund A photographer videos on YouTube, there's a playlist dedicated to those videos. They explain everything.

Speaker 2:
[03:22] And we've been able to do that. We have a bunch of videos where we've helped. I mean, you go back to Cayenne, and Cayenne is now shooting for Getty. And he wouldn't have been shooting for Getty if he didn't have access to the gear that we were able to help him get, because that allowed him to focus on shooting more with better gear, better glass, and now he is officially with Getty.

Speaker 3:
[03:43] And then Christian, I think of two, who's now in college, he's shooting the shit out of Penn State Sports, and he's doing incredible work still. And I think of Cam, who wasn't necessarily part of the fun to photographer part, but we did gift him a lot of gear from Apple and helped him further his career in photography. Now he's on the road with all these incredibly huge, massive touring artists.

Speaker 2:
[04:04] That I've never heard of that are the biggest in the world, because I don't understand that. But he is in Japan right now, I saw. And then all he's done is traveled the world for the last three, four, five years. I think he was doing some Kanye stuff, not that that's a whoop-de-doo anymore, but he's like the go-to on the road to get a guy. He goes with that Rod Wave guy who I've never heard of, seriously, couldn't name a song from Rod Wave, but the guy's selling out 18,000 seat arenas, so good for him. So hopefully Cam is racking up the dollars and just he's out there crushing it, so.

Speaker 3:
[04:38] And he's what, 21 maybe?

Speaker 2:
[04:41] Yeah, he didn't go to college. He didn't need college. Yeah, now before we get too far, here's what's coming up in this week's podcast. We've got Undone is retiring. We're talking about Gerald Undone, what that means, and I might also get him on a podcast in the future to hear it from the horse's mouth. Dixie Dixon leaves Nikon for Canon. Oh, the photo news fix talked about that where he, where I talk about Canon stole from Nikon.

Speaker 3:
[05:07] She went to the dark side.

Speaker 2:
[05:08] I have what? Yeah, yeah, I have one of two titles that we could use. Talk about Season 1 of Born to Bull has ended. People always make a big deal about me flying places for a short amount of time. Talk about the B&H shopping spree, GoPro prices their Mission 1 line, and Canon rumors for an R6V are now out there. Oh, I guess we should also mention that the Sony Alpha rumors are saying that the 400, the 100 to 400 is not an F4 and we will talk more about that by the end of this episode. So anyway, to wrap up the Funda thing, really appreciative of Canon allowing us to do this and trust us enough to make this a reality and help people and it's great. It helps them because they look great. It helps us because one, it looks great, but we also get to help people and it feels so good giving the gift of photography.

Speaker 3:
[05:59] And also we only film maybe what, like 5% of the actual interactions with fun of photographer recipients. There's a lot of gifting that goes on without needing to tell the world.

Speaker 2:
[06:11] Yeah, I sent a 300 to 8 to a photographer that I met at a Phillies game recently. She shoots for the Washington, whatever the hell they're called. The hell are they called?

Speaker 3:
[06:21] You get a lens, you get a lens, you get a lens.

Speaker 2:
[06:24] Basically, you know, I asked what she shoots with because she was shooting with Sony because that's what the team shoots with, but she told me personally, she shoots with Canon and I was like, yeah, do you have any long glass? She's like, no. I was like, do you want some long glass? She's like, that sounds too good to be true. I'm like, I know, but it's, it's not. Do you want a 300 or a 200 to 400? Pick one.

Speaker 3:
[06:44] How many people have you converted to Canon with this fund a photographer project?

Speaker 2:
[06:49] I mean, it's not a matter of trying to convert people.

Speaker 3:
[06:51] I mean, I know, but I'm just saying, just by simply gifting them more gear that might suit what they're shooting, have they converted?

Speaker 2:
[06:58] Kyan is like a big one because he had a Z9 and he had a D6. He had an old 400, which was going to die at some point, and he made the jump, but Getty is all Canon anyway. So being able to hook him up with a 400, a 600, and 11 to 24, 24 to 70, 70 to 200, we gave him, we hooked him up. So if you can go check out Kyan's fund a photographer, you'll see all of the stuff he ended up with. But let's move on to the undone thing because this hits close to home. Gerald Undone the other day put out a YouTube video that's not a farcical video that says, I'm retiring.

Speaker 3:
[07:36] He's officially done.

Speaker 2:
[07:38] Oh, oh, undone. Oh, get undone.

Speaker 3:
[07:43] I was waiting for him to like intro, like I'm done or end it with like, and I'm officially done.

Speaker 2:
[07:48] All right, so undone puts out this video and it's not the first time that I think he's hinted at being fed up with the camera review world. He mentions that cameras have gotten to a point where they're all just great and I don't need to go into these super long tests that are super technical to do. Now, Gerald and us, you and I, we have different types of content. Gerald is a super technical guy that breaks down all of the technicalities of these cameras and does super tests that I will never do. We're more of a practical, take it out into the real world, shoot things and report back. Some people just absolutely love having the technical aspect, and that's totally fine. There's a great niche and an area for that. But it seems like in the past couple of years, Undone has done less videos, taken more hiatuses, and it just seems like he's kind of fed up. And that's exactly what we got out of his I'm Retiring video.

Speaker 3:
[08:45] And more fed up with the camera YouTube world, not so much YouTube itself.

Speaker 2:
[08:51] Well, you never know. We know how it is on the back end.

Speaker 3:
[08:54] Well, he says that he's not quitting YouTube, but he's simply retiring from camera YouTube. That is his like exact quote.

Speaker 2:
[09:00] Yeah, which is a tough thing. We've seen it. We've seen people do this in the past. It's not easy to pivot. And I've got questions for him. And by I meaning Stephen has sat down and thought of questions before I've had a chance to sit down when I'm gonna talk with Undone later in the day today and really just talk about, we're going to talk about, is this a good business decision? Does it even matter? Because when you and I were talking the other day when he made the decision, we're like, if you absolutely despise doing what you do, and you don't want to do it anymore, then you have to make the change regardless of whether or not you make money.

Speaker 3:
[09:34] It's just like quitting a job or switching careers. Like, you know, if you absolutely hate it, if you hate waking up every day and thinking about camera YouTube, then it's time for a switch. We all get burned out to a certain extent, but I mean, he's really frying over there, it seems.

Speaker 2:
[09:48] I will say that, you know, you and I have had this conversation a bunch where I thankfully have staved off burnout for a while. There was a mental shift that happened a couple of years ago when it came to views and what does well and what doesn't. And yeah, it may hit you for a short minute if something doesn't take off right away. But I think we have our methods. We know what works for us and we're OK with it and we keep doing it.

Speaker 3:
[10:17] I think what we've found freeing is the whole like one for them, one for us mentality, especially now that we have Austin on board. We can do more of that. You know, the technical review videos, the lens reviews, the embargoed videos, new camera bodies, stuff like that, along with stuff like the recent 11 Minutes of Chaos, 4x5 project stuff, the Paris vlog.

Speaker 2:
[10:36] Speaking of a video that freaking flopped. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[10:40] But you can do that kind of stuff that you really want to do. Like you've been wanting to put out that 11 Minutes of Chaos video for the longest time, and we can still do that kind of stuff, along with, again, the more technical stuff, where Gerald Undone really has carved that niche out for him, where he is that technical camera reviewer YouTube guy. Like it's hard to get away from that. Granted, I do think he did a great job with his studio tours, and I really hope he keeps up with that in this new branded version of Gerald Undone.

Speaker 2:
[11:07] And to go back to the 11 Minutes of Chaos real quick, that has maybe 20,000 views if it has eeked it out. Now, we understand that in a real world, that's really fantastic. More than 99% of the other people who have YouTube channels will never see 20,000 views. So you have to put it all into perspective. And on the flip side, when we have a viral video, do 850,000, that's insane for us. There's people that put out videos every day that get 2 million, 3 million, 4 million views. Or in the MrBeast world, they're getting like 50, 60 million views. So all this stuff is put into perspective. But the biggest thing that I'm going to want to talk to Gerald about is the business side. It's like, can you afford to do that? Because I look at what we do as it's absolutely a means to an end. I think we know that when we put out content that promotes our presets, we are going to generate revenue from our presets. Now, by doing that, that allows us to have more employees, which hopefully staves off, makes it a little easier in the long run. More content means more places to put plugs to help us. Then I could go off into the world and make HBO shows, and go do more photo shoots while still running the business. I couldn't see just dropping dead on this for us.

Speaker 3:
[12:26] So that's the other thing is you can scratch that itch and go and do the HBO bowling stuff. Your four by five projects, shoot the Phillies, go on the road and do whatever while we're manning down the fort here. That is something that you can do where I don't think Gerald has employees. I know he has Patrick that helps on occasion, but I don't think he's a full-time employee with him. So it's hard when you're doing it by yourself as well, and you don't have necessarily a sounding board where me and you are talking nonstop every single day, and it's more of like a partnership with this channel, in my opinion. And also, it's a lot harder for you to just up and leave and make a decision like Gerald just did, because you have families to feed, quite literally, our families, and it's hard for you to just be like, I'm out, guys, figure it out. At least I hope you don't do that one day. But so I work just as hard to try and push this channel further and to make you happy because it's obviously on everything's on the line. You know, it's very hard to just up and leave and pivot to something else.

Speaker 2:
[13:25] Yeah, and I absolutely do take into consideration that there's mouths to feed. Oh, yeah, there's there's babies. I mean, it used to be like Feed Morgan. But now, I mean, we got you, we got Dan, we got Austin, we got my bank account.

Speaker 3:
[13:40] You know, you got all your house fund.

Speaker 2:
[13:42] You got to feed feed something. But no, I mean, it's it's it's certainly a business that we do. And I see no reason for us to change what we do to the extreme, because it is a means to an end. And I'm happy with that.

Speaker 3:
[13:57] Well, and I question, you know, we have a lot of digital products. And if we did, say, pivot into a whole different genre of YouTube, how do you then go and sell something like presets for photography when you're doing something completely different, like reviewing cars or something like that? Like it just doesn't organically make sense. Also, we have obviously beginner guides, stuff like that. There's so many different things and sponsorships that make sense in the camera world, but not in a different type of YouTube world. So I'm curious from a business standpoint, how is he going to pivot and sell technical digital products like his brand new LUTs that have only been out for, say, a few months in a non-camera video?

Speaker 2:
[14:36] Yeah, I'm going to have to ask him about that one.

Speaker 3:
[14:39] And will there be new branding now that he is shifting from this camera world?

Speaker 2:
[14:45] I mean, the camera world is a very small niche. There's a lot of other YouTube worlds that have far more revenue possibilities. And maybe he'll go there, but you know what?

Speaker 3:
[14:55] You're starting over. That's the hard part.

Speaker 2:
[14:57] If, yeah. But you know, that brings up something, just a side note about podcast revenue. I listened to a bunch of different podcasts and they talk about, like Scott Galloway and Pivot with Kara Swisher. They were talking about how Netflix has been, what Netflix will pay a creator to be Netflix exclusive, to put up video podcasts on Netflix. They're paying like, it was like $25,000 an episode or something. They're like paying some good money to some of the bigger creators, and that's a lot of money per year to not put it on any other network. Then Scott made a point, he's like, our average age of a podcast listener is like 34, average age of a news watcher on TV is like 70 at this point. So these 34 people are coming into their buying years, they've got money. And he's like, and they listen to the ads. And I'm like, who are you fucking kidding? You don't listen to the ads. Like I skip every one of the ads on every podcast, regardless if it's a live read or just some bullshit that's plugged in there. They're trying to say that podcast ads are worth more money at a higher CPM. I just don't get it. Like the boot camp on May 30th, bit.ly slash May 30th, Fro.

Speaker 3:
[16:16] Can't skip that. No, honestly, the only time I don't skip is like if my phone's in another room or something like that or if I'm busy actively doing something and I don't have time to skip real quick. That's the only time. But the worst is when they're all the way up front, the first two, three minutes of the podcast. Because I just know automatically, oh, I'm skipping to the three-minute mark or whatever it is.

Speaker 2:
[16:35] Yeah. I don't find them to be effective at all. So anyway, I'm going to get undone on the line and probably put up a video podcast types thing with him, and put that on the YouTubes, and put that wherever we end up putting it. But I'm not going to not ask the business questions like, okay, undone, what's going on? You have a family to feed.

Speaker 3:
[16:56] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[16:56] Are you worried about this? Do you have some backing that's happening? We've seen it time and time again where people announce a shift, and then they end up like Matty Hapoya left for a year, and of course, he's back making content. Because it's like, it's one thing to announce that you want to go, I want to go produce and I want to go direct. You can try and figure out how to do both and not crush the thing that got you to where you are, to allow you to do the thing that you want to do. Like I am here doing what I am able to do because of this YouTube channel, and the people that pay attention, and I want to continue that. I don't want to kill that because I see what it's like to make a TV show. That's not really enjoyable. It's not as lucrative right now for me as YouTube is.

Speaker 3:
[17:47] Hey, we tried to pivot. We had some excellent content like Cooking with Jared that just flopped.

Speaker 2:
[17:52] That did not flop.

Speaker 3:
[17:54] I don't know why. It's so crazy that that didn't work.

Speaker 2:
[17:58] That is a great video that Deb shot.

Speaker 3:
[18:00] You wanted to do that so bad. I'm like, it's going to get zero views.

Speaker 4:
[18:03] No, it won't.

Speaker 3:
[18:05] I'm doing it. I want to do it.

Speaker 2:
[18:06] It didn't cost you anything.

Speaker 3:
[18:09] No, because you made Deb do it because I refused to basically.

Speaker 2:
[18:13] Yeah, Deb did a great job.

Speaker 3:
[18:15] And how many views does that have?

Speaker 2:
[18:17] I don't know. How many views does it have, Stephen?

Speaker 3:
[18:19] I don't know. I haven't looked.

Speaker 2:
[18:21] I'm going to look it up right now.

Speaker 3:
[18:22] I've deleted that from my memory.

Speaker 2:
[18:24] Cooking. Well, that's the original one. Fried chicken.

Speaker 3:
[18:28] That one's even better.

Speaker 2:
[18:30] Shut up, Stephen. Fried chicken.

Speaker 3:
[18:33] Wow. That was over two years ago.

Speaker 2:
[18:35] 20,000. Oh, God. That's terrible. It says two years ago that I guess I've been without a lady friend for two years.

Speaker 3:
[18:43] February of 2024.

Speaker 2:
[18:44] Anybody, any volunteers out there want to be my lady friend?

Speaker 3:
[18:50] Euler.

Speaker 2:
[18:52] Anyway, that's the undone. Your silence that no one wants to be my lady friend.

Speaker 3:
[18:58] But I do want to quickly...

Speaker 2:
[18:59] Fuck you.

Speaker 3:
[19:02] I do want to mention some more things. If you haven't watched the Gerald Undone video, obviously it's like an eight-minute watch. And I think three of those minutes, it's just him showing clips like a montage at the end from his previous years. I do miss that sexy long hair that he had, though, I will say.

Speaker 2:
[19:15] Oh, I never got that far in the video.

Speaker 3:
[19:16] Yeah, he ends it with a quick montage of him pretty much from the start to the latest reviews talking in his studio. But some quotes that he said in the video, like he basically says, I'm surrounded by objects that don't bring me joy. This is theater and I don't want to do it anymore. I'm the type of person that stays interested in something for the puzzle or challenge of it, and I bore quickly if that challenge is removed. Like we saw in his A75 video, he essentially said, I'm done reviewing cameras because they've all gotten so damn good that it's hard to even nitpick at this point.

Speaker 2:
[19:49] I get it.

Speaker 3:
[19:50] He says he just wants to tear it all down set wise as well, to make something more comfortable, even if it doesn't look good on camera in future videos. I will say it's tough to be a technical reviewer that is hyper critical on the details like himself and then not have a technically perfect set from a visual standpoint. So I'm sure that's why he's done that all these years. But now he has the freedom to just be like, you know what? Screw it. Burn it all down. Let's just throw a camera in the corner and hit record and let my personality showcase because he does have a great personality. And I think that's why he's tall.

Speaker 2:
[20:21] He's very tall and sexy and Canadian.

Speaker 3:
[20:25] I mean, last time I saw him was at the A93 event. And one, I forgot how tall he was. And two, I could even tell like he almost didn't want to be there at that event. Like he was almost over it then.

Speaker 2:
[20:37] Yeah, no, it's a thing. It's a thing, but I'll get to the bottom of it. We'll get undone with undone. Moving on, Dixie Dixon leaves Nikon as an ambassador to go to Canon to be an explorer of light.

Speaker 3:
[20:58] I cannot wait to see the Nikon fanboy comments on this week's Fix when you mention this.

Speaker 2:
[21:03] Well, when I put up the Insta story, sorry, when I did a reel on it, a lot of the comments are like, who cares? Who's Dixie? I never heard of her. And, you know, like I don't buy because of an influencer.

Speaker 3:
[21:16] And I do not disagree at all with those people. I know when you brought this up to me, I'm like, yeah, not a big deal like you were going to put into Fix. And I'm like, I don't know. That's not a story. Like no one cares.

Speaker 2:
[21:25] It gives us a good title.

Speaker 3:
[21:26] Ambassadors. But yes, you mentioned the title. I'm like, oh, actually that is pretty good.

Speaker 2:
[21:31] Cannon steals from Nikon.

Speaker 3:
[21:35] But I do think a majority of people do not know who Dixie Dixon is or really most ambassadors for brands, myself included, you know, minus the big ones.

Speaker 2:
[21:45] Well, let me just say that ambassadors today don't really move the needle for the photo community. Now, they might in an influencer world, you know, if they're influencers as brand partners, but that's different.

Speaker 3:
[21:59] Like Peter McKinnon with Cannon, for example. He's a brand partner, not an explorer of light.

Speaker 2:
[22:04] Let me explain what Dixie did as an ambassador for Nikon. Right? They're called ambassadors, Nikon ambassador.

Speaker 3:
[22:12] Yes, they are just called straight up ambassadors.

Speaker 2:
[22:14] Yeah, she's been there since 2012 and I did get on the phone with her because I have her phone number because because I'm cool like that and I like Dixie's phone number because I'm like, hey, Dixie, what's up? Anyway, we had a conversation, she shared some information and I was like, that is valid and that makes sense. Now, I'll let her speak for herself because I'm going to get her on the line probably next week to talk about her reasons for leaving and why she decided to go to Canon. She told me them and they are valid and they make sense. But she's been there since 2012. But what most people don't realize what an ambassador does is if they hand her a D5500, the lower end or a Z5 or a Z52 or a Z30, she is the person that goes out and produces the photo shoots, the video shoots, the behind the scenes content, the photos that end up being the stuff that goes into advertisements, the brand photos.

Speaker 3:
[23:11] See, I think that's true for Nikon and Canon. Like, for example, Vanessa Joy, she did like the R5 Mark II campaign and the promotional video for that. But Sony, I don't know. I think it's more...

Speaker 2:
[23:21] Sony does it.

Speaker 3:
[23:22] Do they?

Speaker 2:
[23:23] Oh, yeah. Like, look at their big things. They got Burkhardt and they have all of those other creators. They send them out to go create stuff.

Speaker 3:
[23:31] I guess I'm thinking of like the actual product tour video that you first see.

Speaker 2:
[23:34] No, I'm not talking about tour videos. I'm talking about the the box art, the photos that they release with the camera. That's the stuff that I'm talking about. So, you know, Dixie did the D5 release. Dixie did the Z8 stuff. So they would have her go do the portraits for that and do a photo shoot, and they would use those images for the Z8 release page, the promo stuff. Now, again, I don't think it moves the needle because anytime I hear ambassador for anybody, I take it with a grain of salt because they're getting paid to say this stuff. Not to say that they're doing it for nefarious reasons, but they're getting paid. Now, when it comes to Canon taking an ambassador from Nikon, anytime you have a chance to take someone's former ambassador or current ambassador in the same industry, you make it happen because it's a big PR win. It's something that you can say, not saying, look, I say this in Photo News Fix, Dixie is more of a photographer than an influencer in the photo community, where I, on the flip side, more influence than a paid photographer. She's out there doing paid gigs for people all the time. I'm not just trying to get a date, Stephen. Don't even go there. I see it on your face.

Speaker 3:
[24:53] The funny thing too is that in the latest video we just put out, the B&H store walkthrough, shopping spree video, whatever you want to call it. The first second you walk into the store, there's a giant Nikon ad banner on the wall, and it's her face right there with a Nikon camera. And that was just shot a few weeks ago. And you basically go and text her the picture of you almost like kissing the wall.

Speaker 2:
[25:15] We were not kissing, Stephen. We've never kissed.

Speaker 3:
[25:17] You might have wanted to.

Speaker 2:
[25:18] We've never kissed, Stephen.

Speaker 3:
[25:20] I'm talking about the wall, not her.

Speaker 2:
[25:22] Oh, the wall? I didn't kiss the wall either. It's never happened, Stephen. Get your story straight. But people will... You see the comments that are like, she did it for the money. And I'd be like, and?

Speaker 3:
[25:36] Not wrong.

Speaker 2:
[25:37] And? It's a business. We run a business. She runs a business. And if she has decided that this is the gear that she wants to use, and there's other reasons, I'll just say printers was a reason. She was like, and I was like, oh, well, that makes sense. She wants to do more printing.

Speaker 3:
[25:53] Well, the question is, did the money come first over the gear or the opposite that she wanted to do with Canon and the money followed?

Speaker 2:
[25:59] I bet you it's a little bit of both. I bet you Canon comes along and is like, hey, we could make this worth your while. What will it take?

Speaker 3:
[26:06] Well, I'm actually looking at her EOL page on Canon's official website, and it says Dixie's Top Gear Picks. And it looks like she has chosen the R5 Mark II, the R1, a C80, and then lens-wise 24-14 VCM, 50-12L, 85-12L, 135-18L.

Speaker 2:
[26:26] 100-300 is on the list.

Speaker 3:
[26:27] 100, 300, 70-200, 24-105, 10-20. Basically, what's an hour kit as well. If you had all the money in the world, that's what is in most people's kit.

Speaker 2:
[26:35] I would venture to say that Canon probably will cut a check that's better than what Nikon would cut at this point. And I just feel like it's a better move. And absolutely, when it comes to business, do what is right for you. It's not like an athlete has never left a team and signed a deal with another team in the league. Right? Like Bryce Harper left where he left and signed with the Phillies for more money. Right? You make the choice as a business, but also from a strategic standpoint, she's not going to get worse photos because she went to Canon.

Speaker 3:
[27:12] Well, especially because a lot of her work is like highly, highly done portraiture, that kind of stuff, fashion photography, highly edited.

Speaker 2:
[27:22] Well, she mentioned that she used the 1-300 to photograph a horse and something else running directly at her, and the autofocus was stupid. But we already knew that going into it. So anyway, we'll try to get Dixie on as well. I believe I am trying to do that for next week. We've got Undone that I'll try to record today, and that is Dixie leaving Nikon and Canon getting the swoop.

Speaker 3:
[27:48] The only time I remember someone switching and it being like a big deal, I think it was Scott Kelby back in the day. Like we're talking, I don't know, 12, 15 years ago, something like that. Didn't he switch from Nikon to Canon, if I recall?

Speaker 2:
[28:02] I think so. I don't even remember.

Speaker 3:
[28:04] I'm pretty sure he switched from Nikon to Canon. But that was one of the only ones I remember kind of making the news rounds.

Speaker 2:
[28:10] Yeah, because he's more of an influencer in this world. And he has a means to an end. You know, Kelby won was a means to an end. He allowed him to go photograph what he wanted to photograph and doing the education makes the money.

Speaker 3:
[28:22] Yeah, I'm looking up now. He officially switched from Nikon to Canon around 2013, citing superior autofocus, ergonomics and skin tones on the 1DX and 5D Mark III. He later became an explorer of light. And I don't think he's one anymore.

Speaker 2:
[28:37] If I look, I would never be an explorer of light. I mean, you could never say never. It depends on how big the check is. But I, you know, people are all the time like, you do it. And I'm like, no, I wouldn't because when you're an explorer of light or an ambassador for a brand, you can't really talk about other systems.

Speaker 3:
[28:53] You're immediately biased, obviously.

Speaker 2:
[28:55] Right. And I'm not going to listen. Like if Dixie puts out a video on why she uses these Canon cameras, do you think it's like, OK, cool? Like, I don't care.

Speaker 3:
[29:03] I mean, I love watching those videos because they're the first. But the cameras usually, and they can tell me about the new specs and everything. But I'm not going to trust their opinion on, you know, if it works or not.

Speaker 2:
[29:11] Like when Canon reaches out and said, hey, do you want to have Dixie on your podcast? I'm like, no, she's not going to say anything. But then when I talked to her directly, I was like, because I called her, because you know, because I have her number and I like apples and I got her number and she, she was just like, yeah, I'll talk. I was like, great. If you're going to answer this question, this question, this question, we can have a conversation. But if it's going to be like towing the corporate line, it's not going to happen. All right. Well, let's put that to rest and move on. The season of Born to Bowl, my bowling show on HBO and HBO Max is officially done, which means if you've been waiting to binge all five episodes, the entire season, about two and a half hours of content.

Speaker 3:
[29:51] I can finally watch it.

Speaker 2:
[29:52] You can finally binge it on HBO Max in the United States, and I believe in Canada, and I haven't heard of any other countries getting the show. But I think based off of the popularity of the show, I would expect that other countries should hopefully purchase the rights and add it to their systems at some time in the future. That would be very beneficial.

Speaker 3:
[30:12] I mean, what's great is, it's good and bad, that they're what, sub-30 minute episodes. You could binge it all in the same time as watching like a movie. You know, two and a half hours, give or take, and you're watching all five episodes and done.

Speaker 2:
[30:26] The biggest takeaway was, it's too short.

Speaker 3:
[30:28] Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2:
[30:29] And I love the oil. I learned about that, right? That's the stuff. Those are the two takeaways. Now, it's better to be too short than too long, and it's better to leave people wanting more than wanting less and getting bored on their phone. So that's that. If you haven't checked out season one, you can watch it all on your own. All right. So the other day, did we talk about me going to London last week?

Speaker 3:
[30:52] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[30:52] That I was about to go to London.

Speaker 3:
[30:54] I believe so. Yeah, you did. Yeah, we did. Yeah. Yeah. You talked about the song when you land, the song you play, something like that.

Speaker 2:
[30:59] Yeah, I didn't play it. But anyway, we went to London, Austin and I. We flew on Thursday evening. We left Philly at 640 on Thursday evening, and you arrive in London at 630 AM, their time. So it's like a six hour flight.

Speaker 3:
[31:15] So do you guys like sleep on the plane or when you get there? Or you just you miss a night?

Speaker 2:
[31:19] It was an absolutely packed plane. So it was an extremely full plane, Stephen.

Speaker 3:
[31:23] I love that.

Speaker 2:
[31:24] Extremely full.

Speaker 3:
[31:24] We have an extremely full plane.

Speaker 2:
[31:26] And I was next to a guy, next to a guy who was way too tall. So his legs were a little, he had he had nowhere to go, but it didn't interfere with my sitting, so it was fine. But maybe I zonked out for a little bit, but not really. In terms of sleep, we got to our hotel and I took an hour and 20-ish minutes to sleep because we had a shoot at 1045. And I was out, man. When I woke up, when my alarm was going off, I was like deader than, because I must have been in a super deep sleep. And I was just out.

Speaker 3:
[31:55] Because you didn't sleep.

Speaker 2:
[31:56] Well, right. So I got my hour and a half, got up, went, spent the entire day, did our shoots, did our thing, didn't feel bad at all. Felt great.

Speaker 3:
[32:05] Do not miss that.

Speaker 2:
[32:06] Went to bed at like 11 o'clock at night, got back up, you know, slept a little extra than I normally would, and then didn't go to sleep till after midnight, the next night, which was the night before we went home. So we got there Friday morning and we flew out Sunday at 10 a.m. That's nuts. And the comments that I get from people is like, you're crazy, you fly around the world and you go to another country and you go in only two days?

Speaker 3:
[32:32] I'm one of those people, I say it every time.

Speaker 2:
[32:34] Yeah, but what else am I supposed to do in London?

Speaker 3:
[32:36] What do you mean?

Speaker 2:
[32:37] What else am I supposed to do? We went there for a specific thing, we went there to photograph AFC Wimbledon. Make a trip out of it. And do what? For what purpose?

Speaker 3:
[32:45] Do what? Yeah, explore London.

Speaker 2:
[32:47] To do what? Why?

Speaker 3:
[32:49] I'm not even gonna say it because you're, I can't talk you into that kind of stuff. What is there to explore? What do you mean exploring? What am I gonna see?

Speaker 2:
[32:55] I'm not working. I want to work. I want to create.

Speaker 3:
[32:58] Sounds like so much fun. Let me go travel across the world for two days and come back and not actually get to explore London.

Speaker 2:
[33:05] Six hours. It's the same as going to California.

Speaker 3:
[33:07] It reminds me of a press event, honestly. Like when we go to an event and we don't even leave, like, the hotel room half the time.

Speaker 2:
[33:12] If we had something new to play with, then it's a different story. If we had secret cameras, we would then spend more time in those locations and we would go do something. But we had two days. We had two days.

Speaker 3:
[33:24] It could have been more than two days is what I'm saying.

Speaker 2:
[33:26] I don't want to do. So you want to know the reason why this one didn't end up being more than two days because I'm going away again on Thursday. So I didn't want to come home on Tuesday and be like, I got a day before I have to leave again. And we had content to make Stephen. This was like undone. We had stuff to get done. We filmed two videos yesterday. We're doing a podcast today. I'm interviewing on done today. All the funded photographer stuff showed up today. I have a business call today. And I have to pack today to go away tomorrow.

Speaker 3:
[33:58] Well, today you have a lot going on, but usually you don't. That's kind of what I'm getting at. Like, fuck you. You're making excuses like, well, it was because I've lost stuff. Well, but you do this every time.

Speaker 2:
[34:08] No. Did I stay in Japan? Japan?

Speaker 3:
[34:12] That's different.

Speaker 2:
[34:13] How, how, how?

Speaker 3:
[34:14] Because it wasn't on your dime.

Speaker 2:
[34:16] It was. I paid to stay longer.

Speaker 3:
[34:18] You didn't pay for the flight.

Speaker 2:
[34:19] I didn't pay for the first class flight that Canon paid for us. No, I didn't pay for the flight, but I didn't pay for this flight because I used miles. I used miles for Stephen and I.

Speaker 3:
[34:29] I think Japan is different because it's somewhere you've never been. You've never explored. You've always wanted to go there.

Speaker 2:
[34:35] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[34:35] But that honestly is one of the only times you've, besides the time we went to Poland, you know, when we went to Poland and Germany and where else?

Speaker 2:
[34:44] Poland, we went to Poland.

Speaker 3:
[34:46] I mean that time, like we actually did explore things. Auschwitz, Birkenau.

Speaker 2:
[34:50] Oh, thanks, Stephen. You got to bring up the Auschwitz and Birkenau.

Speaker 3:
[34:54] I'm just saying like that.

Speaker 2:
[34:55] You took us to, we took a short train ride. We didn't take the train. I didn't want to take the train to Auschwitz. I know I did take you. I'm like, Stephen, we're going to explore the history. Look, I didn't want to spend more time mostly because I didn't have anything else I wanted to do and I don't want to take Austin away terribly too long because you know, I'm getting backlogged and making content and three, I have to go away. So anyway, went to London. I learned so went to an AFC Wimbledon soccer match. I know people who gets football, but I've Googled it. The word soccer originated in Europe, so they used to use it. So whatever soccer football, call it whatever you want. I had a great time. I got a photo story. Austin was filming the whole process. I was definitely down in the dumps after the first half. I felt like I hadn't gotten good images, and I had to challenge myself because I just thought I wasn't doing a good enough job, and I get very down on myself. But then, and I said to the camera, it takes one good shot to turn it all around. So the second half came and I tried something different. I went into the stands where the big supporters are for them, the ones that yell a lot, and I embedded with them. I got a goal that happened and I was right there for it to happen. I went center behind the goal to try and get these other interaction shots and they turned out really well. Then I was really happy the next day and Austin's like, oh wow, you're moods. I'm like, yeah, my moods are directly. What?

Speaker 3:
[36:21] You're a different person. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[36:23] When I'm happy, I'm happy. When I'm not happy, I'm not happy.

Speaker 3:
[36:26] Which is 95 percent of the time.

Speaker 2:
[36:29] But I ended up being happy. I did discover what the favorite word of the fans was that are in the stands. Do you want to know what the favorite word is, Stephen?

Speaker 3:
[36:38] You probably can't say it on here, but you say it. See you next Tuesday.

Speaker 2:
[36:42] Cunt.

Speaker 3:
[36:43] Yeah, I figured.

Speaker 2:
[36:44] Cunt. No, every other word was like, you fucking cunt. You suck. Get off the pitch, you cunt. And I was like, hey, I feel like I'm at home.

Speaker 3:
[36:53] And the F-bomb is just part of the regular vocabulary there, right? It's not really considered a curse.

Speaker 2:
[36:58] I walked up to some five year old and he was like, fuck you cunt.

Speaker 3:
[37:01] Because I don't think they bleep like the F-bomb. I've been watching SNL UK and they're just dropping it left and right. And it's like, oh, I guess they can do it over there.

Speaker 2:
[37:10] The moral of the story is people make a big deal out of these short trips that I tend to take. And it's like, well, the difference is I have the ability to do this and the majority of the world, unfortunately, is in a, they have a job and they have to plan well in advance to take a thing that separates them from the thing that is their job. I love what I do. So everything that I do is a part of my work. I love it. So that's why I don't mind doing it. I think it's fantastic to be able to fly over to London, do that. And I came home and I'm like, this is great. We did two and a half days in Paris. I was like, this is great. Maybe it was three days. And I was like, I've had enough.

Speaker 3:
[37:44] Two days there, two days there, two days there. Hey, how was London? You know, I landed and came back.

Speaker 2:
[37:49] We were actually in Wimbledon, which was pretty cool. We went to the Wimbledon where they play Wimbledon tennis at the All England Club. And I bought my dad a jacket and I bought the kids all stuff from the AFC Wimbledon merch store. I got them a full kit. I got myself a jacket and I got you nothing. Hey, guess who's calling, Stephen?

Speaker 3:
[38:09] Who?

Speaker 2:
[38:10] Let's see.

Speaker 3:
[38:11] Hello, Dad.

Speaker 4:
[38:13] Hello.

Speaker 1:
[38:13] Is it a Thursday morning?

Speaker 4:
[38:15] No, you don't. You do your podcast on Thursday.

Speaker 3:
[38:17] He's not wrong.

Speaker 4:
[38:17] Not on Wednesday.

Speaker 2:
[38:18] Yeah, but I'm going away tomorrow.

Speaker 4:
[38:21] Oh, that's right. So you're doing it today.

Speaker 2:
[38:22] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[38:22] Don't wait for two days.

Speaker 2:
[38:23] What can I help you with? You're on the show.

Speaker 4:
[38:26] I'm so glad I don't have anything to add to the wonderfulness of your existence and your show.

Speaker 3:
[38:32] Great conversation.

Speaker 4:
[38:32] Anyhow, just to let you know that I got a phone call that came to my phone.

Speaker 3:
[38:38] Good to know.

Speaker 4:
[38:40] So I just wanted to let you know that it does work. Okay. It has a B and a P, and if it comes up B, that's the number 9393 that it comes up on.

Speaker 3:
[38:49] Excellent information.

Speaker 4:
[38:50] Then the other one is a personal one, which is a P. Okay, go back to your podcast. I hope you have tons of listeners because you deserve it. All right.

Speaker 1:
[39:00] Thanks. Bye.

Speaker 3:
[39:01] That was very nice.

Speaker 2:
[39:03] Real quick, what my dad is talking about is, he wanted to keep his landline. He just sold his house, our childhood house, which we did a video with Austin going to the house and doing a walkthrough. That will be coming at a later date. But my dad wanted that phone number to be transferred. It's a landline, but you can actually have it ported over to your cell phone on whatever network you're on, and we helped him get that process done. Now when he gets a phone call to that original landline, it does come in to his cell phone. So that's the one thing he wanted to make sure when he moved, he had.

Speaker 3:
[39:33] Is that a newer thing the past 10, 20 years?

Speaker 2:
[39:37] Oh yeah, you couldn't take your phone number with you. Okay, moving on. So the other day, I put out the shopping spree video that we did at B&H. Now this is a video I derived of before Austin was fully, not before he was hired, but before he started officially. It was supposed to be his first video. Yeah, I wanted us to go up to B&H in January, as soon as we got Austin, and then like buy all of this gear for him to get him started. But it took a little bit of time with B&H and us to coordinate it, so it happened a little later on. So the whole premise of the idea is that B&H has more than just cameras, and it would be great because Austin needs a lot of gear to get started, that we work out something with them to go make a video. And I bought all the stuff, I had to pay for it, of course, but then we did a sponsored video, so then I make money that way. When you have these businesses, you got to be smart on how you do things. And so this was, I thought, a great idea. It benefits us because we can get paid to make a video, which helps us buy all the gear that we ended up needing for Austin, and it gets B&H payboo promotion done. And the comments are very good, except for the other couple of comments that you get. And I will read one, which I commented back to Stephen.

Speaker 3:
[40:58] Oh, jeez.

Speaker 2:
[40:59] I commented to a few.

Speaker 3:
[41:01] You really should not repost them.

Speaker 2:
[41:03] I should repost them. Looks bad on who? The people?

Speaker 3:
[41:07] Both of you.

Speaker 2:
[41:08] I call them douchebags. Anyway, this one comment came in, and these comments are just so stupid. I really enjoy your videos and the way you critique different topics. But there comes a time when Moz must coexist with environmental concerns. Environmental concerns? What the fuck are you talking about? You're coming after me? Yeah, I don't recycle. I don't recycle. How about them apples?

Speaker 3:
[41:31] How dare you?

Speaker 2:
[41:33] Your video for B&H was simply out of touch and completely disconnected from the reality of ordinary people like myself. No.

Speaker 3:
[41:41] What? Normal people don't buy 19 gram worth of gear?

Speaker 2:
[41:44] Well, first off, that's not even that much worth of stuff. When you run a business, you're telling me that when someone starts at a new company, they don't have to get a new computer. They don't have to get the supplies to get the job done?

Speaker 3:
[41:58] I can say from a corporate standpoint, most of those new computers are old recycled shitty computers that you're working on.

Speaker 2:
[42:04] Not everywhere.

Speaker 3:
[42:05] Not everywhere. No.

Speaker 2:
[42:07] And I got to set him up for success.

Speaker 3:
[42:09] It's a different world what we do for sure. Granted, we could definitely get it done on a much cheaper budget for sure.

Speaker 2:
[42:16] Yeah, but I'm going to explain that why it wouldn't make sense to do it on a cheaper budget in the meantime also, but just being ordinary, out of touch with reality. It's not out of touch with reality. This is the reality of what it takes. You think MKBHD isn't buying a whole bunch of computers and stuff for his employees or that Linus Tech Tips running his massive YouTube channel, isn't buying the right tools, the right servers and spending a lot of money. He talks about it all the time.

Speaker 3:
[42:42] No. Yeah, of course. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[42:43] Anyway, the haughty, arrogant way you spend your money disgusts me. This isn't even spending on me. This is my fucking business. Okay. You fuck. It's a shame my dad's not listening right now. I know it's your money and you can do what you want with it. Good taste and modesty were simply not welcome. I encourage you to continue making good videos and stop being a slave to your follies. Louis, what the fuck is a folly? I don't know. Maybe they're saying a slave to your followers, but none of this has anything to do with that. I hired Austin. Austin needs the right tools to succeed. $6,000 worth of what he needed is a laptop. That laptop is a three to five-year laptop.

Speaker 3:
[43:32] Well, case in point, my laptop is about five years old at this point, and it was a very expensive laptop then and it's still running.

Speaker 2:
[43:40] Dan is on a Studio M1.

Speaker 3:
[43:42] It's getting close to needing a replacement, but honestly, I could still get by easily for the next couple of years. It might just be a little slower than the current model.

Speaker 2:
[43:51] So got Austin that. Got Austin set up with the external DAS drive, that DAS storage. That's something that's going to last, hopefully, knock on wood for years to come. You get all the memory cards, the card readers, all of the integral things that are important to making his job a success and easier and making it more efficient. If you buy the right stuff once, like they say, hurt once and whatever the other term is.

Speaker 3:
[44:14] Buy once, cry once.

Speaker 2:
[44:15] Yeah, buy once, cry once. Buy the best of the best with honor, sir, because it's actually cheaper than buying something shitty and needing to replace it with the thing you should have bought in the first place. My dad has always talked about buying the right stuff.

Speaker 3:
[44:27] Me and you are very similar on that front. Definitely big on the, I'd rather spend a little more once, like I said, buy once, cry once, than have to buy a shittier product seven times.

Speaker 2:
[44:38] That just because you can't afford it. I remember going and working at Alan's Camera and someone comes in and drops 20 grand on a, at the time, maybe like a D300 and a 200 to 400 lens, which was like 10 grand and a bunch of other lenses and accessories because they were a doctor or a lawyer and they wanted to shoot birds and be into photography. I didn't sit there and be like, like, oh, how dare you spend your money? I was like, wow, that's insane. I could never do that. But you know what? We can now because we're a business and we're smart about how we spend our money. We buy the right stuff so that we can not have to replace the right stuff.

Speaker 3:
[45:15] Well, and what people don't see behind the scenes is we had a much bigger wish list for Austin that we narrowed down to that final list. Because obviously, if we had all the money in the world, we probably would have bought in 50 grand worth of stuff or something like that. But you have to be reasonable.

Speaker 2:
[45:30] There's monitors. We bought monitors. We bought, and I'm talking about for the camera, a display, an Atomos monitor. The stuff adds up. But if you look at $6,000 for the laptop and another $30 some $100 for the external storage, you're looking at $10,000 between just those two items. It's like these are things that are three to five years or more products. So what a fucking stupid comment is the moral of the story.

Speaker 3:
[45:57] I mean, what he doesn't know is it's simply a write-off, so it's all free.

Speaker 2:
[46:01] It's all free.

Speaker 1:
[46:02] It's a write-off.

Speaker 2:
[46:03] Who pays for it? Exactly like I hate when people tell me it's a write-off. I'm like, it's still money. Like when my accountants like, hey, did you donate to any charities?

Speaker 3:
[46:12] I'm like, no, no, you're still out money at the end of the day.

Speaker 2:
[46:16] Yeah, sure. I get a discount of maybe a 37% whatever bracket I'm in of like taxes, but you're still spending out of 10 grand. You're still spending 6,700. That's why I don't believe when an accountant is like, you need to spend more money at the end of the year. And then people just wastefully buy shit. Like if you don't need it, don't buy it. Look, it brings down your tax bill. I'm like, yeah, but I still have to fork over $6,000. It would have been less if I didn't. So anyway, that's just the front. Anyway, whatever. The moral of the story is, it's actually a really good video. The watch time on it is 12 minutes, which is very good. That's a very good that I think people enjoy those videos that we've been doing with Austin because they're more free flowing. They're more me just having a conversation with the people at home, and it's just a fun little watch.

Speaker 3:
[47:02] Agreed. Yeah. I mean, with some decent editing and chopping out the dead air and stuff like that, it ends up being a pretty solid watch, and I'm glad that we can get those videos done, like I mentioned before, the videos that you really want to do while we still continue to do more the search long-term videos, more the technical stuff as well.

Speaker 2:
[47:19] Exactly.

Speaker 3:
[47:20] So a little bit of everything, and then obviously, we have the topical stuff in Photo News Fix.

Speaker 2:
[47:23] All right. Let's move on to the whatever. It was a good video. It's stuff that Austin needed. The last thing you want to do is make it difficult for your employee to be successful. If I make his job harder, it costs me more money because now it's taking him longer to do shit, which means we don't get shit out into the world. That's just a stupid mentality that Louis had or whoever the hell left that comment. Grow up, punk. Yeah. GoPro. I remember last week, GoPro is like we're still figuring out what our prices are going to be. Whatever, dude. Right now, the Mission 1 line consists of three cameras, a basic, a Pro, and then the ILS, which has a micro four-thirds mount on it. It starts at $599. The basic one is $600 for a GoPro. Then the other two models are each $699. Now, remember, the Pro model has a lens. It's like a 14-millimeter, equivalent, whatever, F2 something equivalent, but it has a fixed 14-millimeter, and then the one doesn't come with a lens at all. So you need to put a lens on it. Isn't it funny that's like, well, I guess I was going to say that it has an exposed sensor, but so do all our mirrorless cameras at this point.

Speaker 3:
[48:36] I assume it comes with a body cap of some sort.

Speaker 2:
[48:39] I just think $700 is you're venturing, you're veering into territory where a real camera starts to come into play.

Speaker 3:
[48:47] So you were saying like $1,200 last week on the podcast. You were throwing crazy numbers out there for the ILS.

Speaker 2:
[48:53] That's because I'm out of touch with reality, Stephen.

Speaker 3:
[48:57] I am surprised that the base model came in at $600. I was thinking it was going to be more in line with the Hero Black versions or the current Ace Pro 2 and the DJI Osmo versions, which run around $4, $4.50. But it seems like the Hero Blacks are not going to be discontinued, and they will live on and probably take up that $400 price point. While these are more the pro flagship versions, starting at $600 and ending at $700. Also, I'm surprised that the pro 1 and the ILS version are the same price. I thought the ILS was going to be a little more, like maybe an extra $100. But again, it makes sense what you're saying. Like that doesn't have a lens, but it does have the mount. I guess it evens out in the end. Still $700 for a little action camera with a one inch sensor is a big ask.

Speaker 2:
[49:46] And the thing I say in Photo News Fix this week is like, I'm seeing all these people blowing it up on at NAB. They're like, oh, I can attach this cinema lens to it. It's massive.

Speaker 3:
[49:55] I'm like, buy a regular camera.

Speaker 2:
[49:57] Then buy a real camera. Cause what's the, that's not an action camera anymore. It has a real lens on it. Where you're like, it's so amazing what you could do. And yeah, it's only manual focus cause it doesn't have autofocus. I'm like, you could go out and buy an R50V. That's a crop sensor camera. That's $619. No, it's not an action camera, but it has a bigger sensor than a one inch sensor by far. You could get away with that and then put lenses on it.

Speaker 3:
[50:26] Also shoots log 10 bit 422, like all similar resolutions.

Speaker 2:
[50:31] Yeah, I just think that it's a fail. I think GoPro is in trouble with this one. And I just think that we're going to see a bunch of influencers coming, getting paid by GoPro to promote how amazing it is. And look what I can do with this interchangeable lens version. I'm like, I don't care about your one inch sensor camera. And you could go get a ZV-E1. You could go get any of those ZV-E30s or whatever the hell Sony makes. Or even Nikon. There's just... I just think it's a stupid, stupid premise.

Speaker 3:
[51:05] I mean, I do think there is a very small niche market for it, like in, like I said, a crash cam or places that you can't fit. But at that point, again, like you can't put the biggest lens on it anyway. So it almost renders the ILS version pointless. And again, you're dealing with a one inch sensor as to something like the R50V that has APS-C at least.

Speaker 2:
[51:22] And dual pixel AF.

Speaker 3:
[51:24] And manual focus. I keep forgetting about that, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[51:26] Right, so it's just like, whoop-de-doo, it's got great processing. Yeah, it has a little sensor. Whoop-de-doo, you could do 8K30 open gate on a one inch sensor. Who cares? And I'm not, and don't like come at me and be like, you just don't get it. No, I'm trying to look at it from a dollar cost averaging, because I overspend people's money, clearly. But there's a better choice. Now, if you want just the pro version for $700, I guess, if the quality is good, but we know that DJI most likely and Insta360 are probably going to have their own one inch versions come out. In fact, they already have one inch cameras. The Insta360 is teasing their Luna camera, which has two lenses and is a gimbal camera, just like the DJI, what, Osmo Pocket?

Speaker 3:
[52:15] The Pocket 4, yes.

Speaker 2:
[52:16] The Pocket 4? Those are one inch sensors. So they already do it. And that's a more viable market, because more people buy those things, because, dude, does everybody need an action camera? Is everybody jumping off a fucking cliff? Wait, hold on.

Speaker 3:
[52:38] Back to Insta360, I know we hinted at that last week. I think you were saying, like I guarantee they've been working on a Pocket version themselves. Lo and behold, NAB comes, and they basically announce the Luna Ultra and the Luna Pro, their versions of the Pocket camera, one of them being a dual lens version, just like the rumored Pocket 4 Pro is going to be. So, I'm curious what the specs are. They haven't like officially announced it. They just have it like behind glass, and a couple creators have been showing it off.

Speaker 2:
[53:05] And I'm tired of these creators. I'm tired of these ones. I mean, yes, from a business standpoint, we'll work with Insta360 and make sponsored videos. But it's just like, they're like, we can't tell you anything about it, but my God, it's got 10-bit video with a camera like this. I'm like, guys, can we just be real? So, I just think that this idea that just because they put a Micro Four Thirds mount on a GoPro with a one-inch sensor, that all of a sudden makes it an unbelievable product. From a creative standpoint, I'd rather go buy the R50V and take the RF lenses and put them on there. I just think that's a better quality camera, a better choice. No, it's not an action camera, but look, you don't really need the action cameras for just about everything. I do like the fact that you could take it down to 66 feet under water straight away. That's kind of cool, but most people aren't going 66 feet under water.

Speaker 3:
[54:05] Again, very, very small niche market for this type of camera.

Speaker 2:
[54:09] Let's move on to some of the rumors that have been rumored this week. Canon, I almost said Canon Alpha rumors. I constantly do that. Canon rumors for the last month has been reporting that there will be R8V, R-something V, this V, and they had no idea. But now they are saying that Canon on May 13th is releasing an R6V, and it basically has the same specs as a C50 because it has the same sensor, and the same specs as an R6 Mark III when it comes to stills. And of course, basically video, they're claiming it's 7K open gate, but that it will have IBIS.

Speaker 3:
[54:54] See, I am very surprised they're saying it has IBIS, because if it's part of the V lineup, just like the R50V, those cameras don't have IBIS. Now, there's only been one interchangeable lens camera that's part of the V lineup, which is the R50V, but usually they follow suit and just like the cinema series, like the C50, C80, C70, C400, whatever, none of them have IBIS. I assumed all the future V cameras were gonna be the same way. Granted, I do think the R50V, that was a major misstep from Canon, not including IBIS, especially for a creator and not like a cinema version of a video-centric camera to not have IBIS. That was crazy. Now, I'm glad that this camera is rumored to have IBIS at this point, but then it's like, what's gonna separate it from the R6 III minus SnowEVF?

Speaker 2:
[55:44] Maybe price point. We're gonna have to see if it's real, what the price point comes in at, because having three cameras share the same sensor, you're getting into territory of overdoing it like GoPro did back in the day with way too many options.

Speaker 3:
[56:00] It becomes a very busy lineup, and I've talked about how I feel about busy lineups. Now, if this comes in at, say, $2,000, yeah, two grand or less, maybe $2,200, I could see it being a hit, but if it's $2,500, it's way too close to the R6 III and renders it pointless, in my opinion, and obviously it's not going to be more expensive because then you have the C50, and that would be really odd to fall in between the R6 III and C50. I don't know. I know when Canon Rumors was first posting about the R8V, he specifically said, I don't think it'll be an R6V-type camera. That's what the C50 basically is. I completely agree on that, but now they're saying R6V, so we'll see. Also, I'm assuming it's going to be a much bigger body than the R50V, because I guess it's going to have to take the LPE6P battery to power that. Unlike the LPE17, that powers the R50V, and it will probably have a much smaller grip like that boxy R50V as well. Will it have a mechanical shutter? I question that. That's a good point. Will it get the C50's vertical video option? Now, the R50V, in my opinion, made a little more sense since it had upgraded video features like 4K60, tally lights, it had an updated video menu with better slo-mo and 10-bit 422 options, it added a headphone output, USB-C output, two-hour record time, all this stuff that made it better than the R50 for video. But the difference here is that the R63 has all of that already. It's already an incredible hybrid video-centric and photo-centric camera, and I highly doubt it's going to have more than what the C50 offers. It reminds me of the ZV-E1 from Sony, where it's basically a stripped-down version of the R63. The ZV-E1 was like a stripped-down version of the A7S III, and it came in around $1,000 less than the A7S III. I don't think this is going to be $1,000 less, but I think it's going to be, again, $2,000, $800 less maybe. But if it's not, I just don't know where this is going to fall in that lineup, and it's going to be a very weird, busy lineup. So if we do have it at that $2,000 price point, you'll have that, the R6 III at $2,800, and then the C50 sitting at around $3,900, which that makes sense. But again, any difference in fluctuation and price, we'll see.

Speaker 2:
[58:20] They must know their numbers much better. Obviously, they are a business. They know their numbers very well. They know who's going to buy, how many of these they're going to buy, what market they're targeting, and why someone would go with that over going with an R6 Mark III. They just know it. Yeah, that's above our pay grade.

Speaker 3:
[58:36] They're also saying it's going to come with a powered Zoom as a kit lens, like a 20-50 f4 LIS, which is interesting. I'm curious what that kit is going to cost.

Speaker 2:
[58:46] Yeah, I don't know. The other rumor that popped out the other day was from Sony Alpha Rumors who has been saying for months that a 100-400 f4 Zoom lens was on the way. They've officially basically said that they were wrong. We got bad information from a very reliable source is what they had to say. So now they're claiming that Sony is going to release at some point a 100-400 f4.5. Now, I know there's photographers that want a 100-400 f4 and they would like that, but there would be size and weight involved with that. And a 100-400 f4.5 sounds like something that is more manageable and probably something that would be more affordable for the general people who used to have a 100-400 f4.5 or f5.6 to f7.1 or whatever it was or f6.3. And it just seems to potentially make sense if that's true. 100-400 f4.5. But I'd be curious to see the difference between f400 f2.8 and f400 f4.5 if that is going to be noticeable, if that is real.

Speaker 3:
[59:57] Yeah, the original 100-400 was a f4.5 to f5.6 variable aperture.

Speaker 2:
[60:03] And I took that to Kenya this year, last year.

Speaker 3:
[60:06] And you found out to be a pretty good focal length, focal range for...

Speaker 2:
[60:08] I thought it was an amazing focal range. The lens itself was definitely one of the super older, one of their older lenses, because it doesn't have the same focusing speed. It doesn't have the same shooting speed. It doesn't have that same zhush out of the glass that the newer lenses have.

Speaker 3:
[60:26] Yeah, and I have no problem at all with it being a 4.5 vs. 4. That to me makes no difference really at all. We're talking a third of a stop. Like to me, it's just an F4. It's the same thing.

Speaker 2:
[60:34] Basically.

Speaker 3:
[60:35] But what's it going to cost, you know? Because the current 100-400 variable aperture one is about 3 grand on sale for 2,700. I'm going to guess a little more, being that constant aperture and an updated lens in today's market, maybe 3,500, give or take. The old one was a G Master as well. I'm assuming the new one will be a G Master. We shall see. But that is going to be a pretty stellar all-around sports wildlife lens, for sure.

Speaker 2:
[61:04] Yeah, I think the people that have, you know, if you have a 200-600, obviously this isn't for you. But I do feel like that 200-600 needs to be replaced.

Speaker 3:
[61:12] I was going to say, I don't think this is a direct replacement for that. Obviously, there's already 100-400, and this is the Mark II, I guess. And I guess it will be a Mark II because it's going to be a totally different aperture.

Speaker 2:
[61:22] No, it's totally different. It will be internal or external zooming, is another thing to think about.

Speaker 3:
[61:27] Was the original internal?

Speaker 2:
[61:29] The 100-400?

Speaker 3:
[61:30] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[61:31] I'm pretty sure it's external.

Speaker 3:
[61:33] I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[61:34] I used it, and I don't remember.

Speaker 3:
[61:35] Well, the 200-600 is internal.

Speaker 2:
[61:37] That's internal, I ask.

Speaker 3:
[61:39] But I do agree that that needs to be updated, but I don't think this is even close to a replacement because that extra 200 millimeters is a big deal.

Speaker 2:
[61:46] But I think that a constant aperture, 100-400mm f4.5 is going to be, if it's real, super sweet, and I think it's going to be a highly sought after lens because it's not going to be $10,000, like a 100-400mm f4. I saw some people like, you're crazy to think it would be 10 grand. I'm like, guys, the 200-400 were super sped. Like, what does it count in 200-400? Actually, let me look up Nikon.

Speaker 3:
[62:11] 200-400 is 10 grand, but keep in mind that comes with a built-in TC.

Speaker 2:
[62:16] Right. A used 180-400 Nikon with a TC built-in is $6,200. Knew that was a $10,000 lens. So people telling me that I'm crazy for saying that. Just again, people are out of touch with reality because they don't know their numbers.

Speaker 3:
[62:34] Granted, again, this doesn't have a TC built-in.

Speaker 2:
[62:37] No, it doesn't have a TC built-in, but it doesn't matter. Like a 100-400, if there's a 100-400 F4, it would have been a $10,000 lens, period. It just would have been.

Speaker 3:
[62:50] You think even without an extender?

Speaker 2:
[62:52] Yes, even without a teleconverter built-in. Because, yes, just because. I think it would be a nine, ten, yeah, in this world, a $10,000 lens.

Speaker 3:
[63:02] But 100-400, 405 won't be?

Speaker 2:
[63:04] Not because it's a 405. There's a huge difference. There's a huge difference in the amount of glass in the F4 versus the 45. There's been major changes. The glass is so different. The size and weight, the 200-400 canons that we have in the basement are so big. They're like the size of a 400-28.

Speaker 3:
[63:22] 20-year-old lenses.

Speaker 2:
[63:24] They're not 20. They're 15.

Speaker 3:
[63:26] All right. Old lenses.

Speaker 2:
[63:27] But look at my 100-300 2.8. That's a big lens. So I just think...

Speaker 3:
[63:34] That's different. 2.8 is way different.

Speaker 2:
[63:36] I just think going from f4 to 4.5 would allow them to shrink it even more. So, but if it's real, hopefully we get our hands on it and we get to test it out and share our findings with you. But if it is real, I think that is a really good solid option because what's Nikon have? Like a 400-45?

Speaker 3:
[63:58] They have, yes, a Prime 400-45. We've called them premium Primes in the past. I love that they do that with the 400-45, the 600-63 and the 800-63 as well.

Speaker 2:
[64:07] Right. But having this would be pretty good because 1-4 is versatile. And for people that love to crop, they'll still need to crop because the bird, the purple-headed cock gobbler will be too far away. So those are the rumors this week, Stephen.

Speaker 3:
[64:30] Lots of rumors, lots of things.

Speaker 2:
[64:32] Lots of stuff, lots of stuff to talk about. I yelled at a bunch of things. And yeah, I got to get ready to talk to Gerald Undone. I got to eat my lunch first.

Speaker 3:
[64:41] I got to get ready to fly to Africa for two days and come back.

Speaker 2:
[64:44] Africa, Stephen, I'm going to Antarctica for two days. What are you talking about? Antarctica, I'm going to the moon, Stephen, saying you guys went to the moon and you only stayed for an hour. How dare you? Why?

Speaker 3:
[64:56] It's like saying you flew around the moon and didn't land on it. What?

Speaker 2:
[64:59] Yeah. Why did you fly around the Artemis once you went to the moon and you came right back? What a waste.

Speaker 3:
[65:06] I mean, it was all faked in a Hollywood studio anyway.

Speaker 2:
[65:08] So yeah, because I can talk to those people. Those people are fun to talk to. I won't even, I won't even do it, but yeah. So that's it guys. That's 194 RAWtalk. All right, guys. Thank you very much for listening to RAWtalk Episode 194, Jared Polin, froknowsphoto.com. See you.

Speaker 3:
[65:27] Bye.