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Now, many of you have been following this from the very beginning. Some of you may have fallen off the cliff because you've been distracted with school or work or children. And I'm here to tell you that I've got updates for you. If you're completely unfamiliar with this story, here's the net net. Summer House is a show that is filmed throughout the duration of the summer in the Hamptons. And the whole concept of the show is people work so hard in the city, and then they go to the Hamptons and then they play hard. From the very beginning, there has been a cast member by the name of Kyle. And Kyle, you would assume, is probably the kind of person who should never get married. He is somebody who started a business, works all the time, and then has become a midlife DJ and is out all the time. And along the process of the duration of this show, he starts dating a girl named Amanda, who just kind of like shows up and you get the feeling like she just wants to be on the TV show. He ends up marrying her, even though he clearly is somebody who does not want to be committed for the rest of his life. And she wants to live in the suburbs. She's sort of naggy. She sits in the bed all day, doesn't seem to offer much charisma. And their marriage has been unraveling for the last few seasons. Now, some of you may be asking, why in God's name would a married miserable couple be on the show? And it's a good question. So, we were all surprised to find out that Amanda has been carrying on an affair with another cast member by the name of West. Why that's significant is West is friends with Kyle, but also West was in a relationship with Sierra on the show, and Sierra and Amanda were best friends. And therein lies the problem. So, we've been investigative detectives, if you will, trying to figure out the timelines. And I can see that Andy, over at Bravo, is supremely frustrated by West and Amanda's lack of transparency. And they also seem to put out statements or videos that don't line up with the timeline that they have insisted in previous appearances on Watch What Happens Live and other media opportunities. So, I think there's growing frustration within the cast and also at the network. What is really going on between the two of you? And what is the actual timeline? Now, I have to note, someone on Reddit has put together a timeline. And I apologize, I don't know your real name, but it says TallHunter6586. I salute you, my good friend. I will post it. You can walk through it, but essentially what they have surmised is this probably began in June, specifically June 5th of 2025. So I feel like we've got a true crime case on our hands in a way, because we're just trying to find out what's really going on behind the scenes. Now, another thing I need you to look up is this article on The Decider. And the question is showering the new pasta. So what they are saying is that a lot of the scenes this season on Summer House, they make a reference to, should we shower before we go out? Now, back in my day, that meant, like, should we clean oneself before we go out for the night? What they're saying is that it actually means extracurricular activities. And by that, I mean, remember, it's not about the pasta on Vanderpump Rules. So you see, are you catching what I'm throwing? Okay, so they have a video, they're all kind of dancing in an Uber on the way to go out somewhere in the Hamptons. And one of the cast members seems to be a little bit off, if you know what I mean. I'm going to be honest with you, I watched that video, all I can think about was this poor Uber driver is stuck with all these guys with music blaring, and they're kind of making them dance or making them feel like he has to dance with them in the car. And this guy is like, I just want to drop you guys off and go back to my wife and kids. Do I really need to dance in this car? So I need you to go and look at that article on Decider, and then I need you to go look up the timeline on Reddit, and then I need you to report back to headquarters and tell me what you think. In this episode, Bee from Bravo and Cocktails joins me, and we're going to go through the whole scandal, and a little bit also about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. As always, make sure that you are subscribed to the podcast. Make sure that you get in the Facebook group, Reality Life with Kate Casey. I want to hear you give me your full rundown of what you think happened, and then DM me on social media too, on Instagram, I'm at KKCCA and TikTok, it's KKC, and on threads at KKC. Okay, here's my interview with Bea from Bravo and Cocktails. All right, lots of stuff going on in the Bravo world. We got to get down to brass tacks. And I feel like you are getting probably DMs left and right and are on the up and up and up. So first of all, welcome back to the show.

Speaker 2:
[06:33] Hi Kate, how are you? I'm so excited. You know, I love chatting with you.

Speaker 1:
[06:37] Well, okay, there's nothing better. Okay. What is the latest and greatest in terms of the timeline of West and Amanda? People are consumed by this story and I totally get it. For me, the thing that bothers me most is that you have Sierra, who probably told her, Amanda, her innermost feelings, timelines, very personal things about what happened between herself and West and then to find out that she's not only with him, but probably maybe has shared some of that information to him. Like, well, she said that when you were together, whatever it may be. But just the friendship violation for me is the biggest problem.

Speaker 2:
[07:19] A hundred percent. I actually post, so I'm going to do you one better. So I actually posted today. I said, because when this all came out, when everything finally, because I did not break this. To be honest with you, I didn't believe it. When I saw it on Doumois, I am not somebody who doesn't admit what I'm wrong. First of all, I hadn't received receipts, right? This was, I was not the OG scoop. This was Doumois scoop. I'm pointing that out, Kate, because people like to say on the internet that I backtrack. I'm not backtracking. This was not my scoop. I didn't believe it when I, not that I know Doumois right a lot of the time. So I was like, oh my God, no, no, can't be. I just assumed. So then there was that friend who we're going to, he's the Schwartz, not Jesse, right? That aiding guy who looks like West.

Speaker 1:
[08:06] He really does look like him.

Speaker 2:
[08:08] Yeah, he's like your average. I'm a hipster. I moved to New York City. I'm from Midwest with the beard and the messy hair.

Speaker 1:
[08:16] Almost a mullet, toe in the line.

Speaker 2:
[08:18] Yeah, the last time he showered, mid-looking white boy. So I was like, you know what? Somebody's got this wrong because I couldn't. And I think that you and I, when you are a girl, and there's only two categories of girls, I'm sorry, I'm going to say it. I always say this about men with cheating, and I guess women too, because the older I get, the more I realize that women cheat just as much, they're just slicker. I always say that everybody knows what kind of guy they married. And it's not to say that a guy can't make a mistake and cheat on their spouse, a one-night stand. But I know that I did not marry a man capable of having a relationship ongoing with another woman behind my back, because I know who he is and I know that he wouldn't be capable of that for a variety of reasons, but mostly because it would be against just his moral code and he wouldn't be able to keep it going, right? Like my husband would come to me and be like, I have to leave you because I'm in love with somebody else. Like I'm not saying that couldn't happen, I'm just saying he wouldn't have a relationship behind my back because he wouldn't be able to do it, right? Okay. So I think that girls fall into the category of they either have done this to friends in their life or they don't. And so what I mean is when you're 18 or 21 years old, has there ever been a situation where a really good girl's girl got drunk and kissed an ex-boyfriend of a friend and felt really bad and maybe didn't say anything? Yes. Not the same as being in a relationship. West is the guy who broke Ciara's heart. I know that, you know that, West knows that, and Amanda knows that better than anyone, right? So, I didn't see Amanda as that girl. But as time went and I started to receive receipts. And I started putting people together. I talk with followers in the DMs a lot as I'm sure you do. Because I was just starting to post stuff like, I don't know if I believe this guys, but I got this and I got this. And somebody said something. They said, B, we don't know single Amanda. You're putting on her, we've known single Paige, we've known single Ciara. You're putting, because she's friends with them, you're assuming that she operates how you do or you expect they would. But we don't know her. And so that was the first time I was like, and then of course I got all the main side chicks, friends in my DMs and all the things. Here's what I will tell you. Amanda didn't go to Summer House this weekend that we're watching, right?

Speaker 1:
[10:56] Right.

Speaker 2:
[10:59] I said to myself, it's not about Kyle. Amanda has gone to Summer House every other time. Fighting with Kyle, Kyle cheated on her, all the things. Weekend prior, West made out with that girl. In retrospect, whether or not him and Amanda were physically hooking up, clearly the emotional fare had begun.

Speaker 1:
[11:24] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[11:25] I think that Ciara confided in her like, you know what? He apologized to me and this weekend, I'm going to ask him to go to coffee. In other words, it was spur of the moment for us, the audience and the rest of the house, but I don't believe it was for Amanda. And I think when she FaceTime'd Amanda, she was like, girl, how could you not be here? AKA, I needed you to support me through this heart to heart I'm going to have. Right?

Speaker 1:
[11:44] And was it suggested that she would like had diarrhea or something? Like she didn't feel well, and that was the reason why she didn't come?

Speaker 2:
[11:50] No, because in her confessional, she was like, I've been bubbly Amanda all summer, but the stress of me and Kyle's relationship is finally hitting me and I just wasn't able to make it.

Speaker 1:
[12:00] Okay. Finally, now after all this time. Okay, go ahead.

Speaker 2:
[12:04] So, right. So, do I think, so I definitely think, and I don't think it was one-sided. I don't think Amanda was crushing on him. Like, I think that best case scenario for Amanda. West was laying the groundwork and she was so attention-starved in her marriage for so long, which explains, but in my opinion, doesn't excuse the behavior or the betrayal. Because I do. So, when this all first came out and they put their statement out, I said 70 percent are going to be as you and I are. And 30 percent are going to understand where she's coming from, because there are women who operate like this. We know. We know the person whose best friend slept with their husband and all of these things. So, I think at a minimum, it was an emotional affair and I think it's more. I also think that West is a sex addict.

Speaker 1:
[13:10] Oh, wow. That's a bummer.

Speaker 2:
[13:13] I mean, I don't know, right? But if I'm just looking at it, I'll tell you something else.

Speaker 1:
[13:18] Or at the very least, he's just probably somebody who just really likes a lot of attention. And everybody we know who goes on these shows, their brain chemistry changes. I don't care if they go when they're 19 or they're 62. Then they become consumed with people paying attention to me. And it's like a drug. They can't get enough of it. And they want constant attention. She presented herself in the very beginning as somebody who was willing to look past her then-boyfriend's infidelities because I think she wanted to be on a television show.

Speaker 2:
[13:46] Right.

Speaker 1:
[13:48] And I don't know. Has she really changed from that? Probably not.

Speaker 2:
[13:52] No, except Kyle became old hat. And I also, if I'm being honest, yes, a million percent believe that Kyle wasn't a great husband. I absolutely believe he cheated. I mean, we know he cheated. With that said, I also think that completely outside of that, Amanda just grew sick of him. Not just the fact that he was cheating and everything else. And who did she pick? A younger center of attention. I mean, they even kind of look alike. Not that West is as handsome as Kyle, because whatever we want to say about Mr. Cook, he's a 43-year-old man with skins from the freaking gods. I mean.

Speaker 1:
[14:34] Yeah, he looks great, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[14:37] And I think that his face is better looking. But with that said, it's the blonde hair, light eyes, it's that same kind of look, that attention, everybody loves him, life of the party. I mean, that's what West is too.

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Speaker 2:
[16:50] Right.

Speaker 1:
[16:50] And when I look back at her on the show, even with Paige and Hannah, like, she's kind of like the third banana. Like, she doesn't really bring a lot to the table in terms of charisma. And then I think she was kind of playing up her victimization with Jessie and West. Like, I'm treated so terribly, and then they start complimenting her, and then she's like letting them, you know, perpetuate a little bit more to the point where I was like, okay, but like, she's still married, and you guys are living in a house together, and she's like skinny dipping, and Jessie's talking about how hot she is, and that's okay with Kyle, and that's very weird.

Speaker 2:
[17:23] Before we found out about the West part, it was certainly behavior that was kind of cringey, but I think it made us feel sorry for her. Like, you know, this husband of hers is such a piece of shit that she's got to like do the baby voice and go skinny dipping with Ben, and like she just, like he really ignores her. Like, whether we, listen, she's not a bull of fire. And I have to tell you, Kate, I don't think Kyle wants somebody who's a bull of fire. I don't think he's gonna get much. He'd like somebody to play the batman, to rob in to his Batman. Like, he doesn't want another Batman. He's Batman. So is West. And I think whether it's conscious or not, I think that West knows that Ciara is too good for him. Like, I don't think West will...

Speaker 1:
[18:17] Well, he doesn't want to be serious about anybody, I don't think. I mean, how could you when girls are DMing you? I mean, he probably opens his phone and it's just a multitude of messages from women. So why would I like a...

Speaker 2:
[18:30] Even before the game, he was a football player in college. I just don't think... Or he'll marry somebody who turns their head when he does it. He's not going to be able to be with somebody like Ciara, who's going to call him out when he cheats on her, or drink up with him or leave him. He's just not capable of that level of monogamy.

Speaker 1:
[18:53] Well, even again, if he did have the possibility of it, I think once somebody is in a reality show, it's near impossible.

Speaker 2:
[19:02] I had someone DM me who worked with him on a charity, and it was an animal charity, and they were like, I'm so disappointed because he was so nice and so caring about the ad. Donate money, not just time, but money. And so that's why I say sex addicts. Like if we watch Jesse, which is a whole other ball of wax, I watched What Happens Live last night, and Jesse goes, yes, I'm mad, and yes, he's fractured our trust. And he was honest. He was like, Andy, this guy sat with me the first summer in the house when I thought I had cancer again.

Speaker 1:
[19:36] Yeah, I see what you're saying. Two things can be true. He could be a good friend, but he could also be obsessed with having sex with women and getting their attention.

Speaker 2:
[19:45] Or he could be a good friend to who he chooses to be. Also, last night we saw him admit... The only honest thing he said last night was, I resented you. I was getting so much hate from the fan base that I resented you.

Speaker 1:
[20:00] By the way, I did like that they broke the fourth wall in that when they talked about fans and so on. It's like, okay, you have to. At this point, we have to.

Speaker 2:
[20:09] At this point, we have to. And so I think a part of me says, and so we know that he has all these side chicks who thought that, although they knew they weren't exclusive, who thought they were like the main girl. And so there's this Shailene, right? And she was under the impression that, yeah, he might go out and make out with people and whatever. But for the most part, I'm the one when his parents are in town that goes to dinner and that kind of thing, which to me, it's sort of a weird relationship to be okay with. But dating in Manhattan, from what I hear, is a nightmare. Yeah. And always has been. I met my husband in college. And we're both from New York City. We went to college upstate. But so I never really dated as an adult. I never, not really, I never dated as an adult. So I don't know, but I obviously have a million friends who have. And so I could see that West is funny and interesting and famous. And so for her, it may have been like, you know what, if he's out without me and he's making out with girls or has a one night stand, that's not really my problem. And so when it was Amanda, though, and everything was going to blow up, she was so upset because she's like, oh my God, this is going to be public. And all of our friends and families think that we're a thing. So that was the thing with Shailene. And then there was the other one, Mahila. So that's where I get the sex addict. I also, he's had a lot of one night stands, like with followers in my DMs, like a lot.

Speaker 1:
[21:40] Now do I need to worry about him? I can't worry about all these people. I can't. They lose their minds when they become famous. They literally lose their minds.

Speaker 2:
[21:52] Do you think, so now we know about his resentment, do you think there's a place, and maybe not consciously, where he wanted to hurt Ciara? And like, that was part of his attraction to Amanda. Because let's face it.

Speaker 1:
[22:13] I don't think so. I felt really, like I feel like in that moment, in that discussion they had, I think that there is a deep love for her in terms of friendship. But I think that for the sake of the show, he exaggerated it. And I think that that was really mean because I think she really did have feelings for him romantically. I think he saw her more as a great friend who happens to be very hot. Men and women are different.

Speaker 2:
[22:35] I disagree with you. I think that he really was into her the first season and that, I mean, she's a supermodel. And then after a few months, I think that he was like, all right, like, you know, I got all these people in my DMs. I am not being monogamous with her. And so he ended it because he knew it would blow up in his face if he didn't end it and just tried to do it on the side because they're public figures. And I think in his mind, he was like, how dare all of these people hate me because of her? Like, they loved me first season. And so I don't think he ever moved past that resentment. I think he loved her great, great, great before all the hate. But once all the fans turned on him for that.

Speaker 1:
[23:17] See, this is why I'm telling you, they, we can't relate to the reality star of it all. We can't. Their judgment is so off kilter. It's crazy. And even like Amanda's mindset, like, I can pull this off and we can be a couple and no one is really gonna be upset by it. It's craziness.

Speaker 2:
[23:38] I find what, so that's a good point that you make, because I find Amanda's delusion and West's delusion that they somehow could explain this and keep their fan base shucking. Let's face it, people pitied Amanda. And I do think that there are a lot of girls who like her style. She's thin. She's got like, her shoes. Style?

Speaker 1:
[24:09] Like, with the big jean shorts? Like, what do we, long ones? What are we talking about?

Speaker 2:
[24:12] I don't know. People have always like, girls like it. I mean, not us, Kate. We're older than these people. But I can tell you, she's like, one of the top people on like, Revolve and all that. Like, whenever she posts an outfit, like, she does very well. Also, it's just so self-destructive on her part.

Speaker 1:
[24:29] I think Paige and Hannah, the problem out of this, they're probably slamming their heads against the wall because of it is like, because of her proximity to them, she became cool when she didn't deserve to be cool. Like, they threw her a gigantic bone because I don't think in their normal lives, they would have ever been friends with her.

Speaker 2:
[24:51] And I'm going to go one further. Paige stayed on Summer House because she needed a few more seasons to catapult her career and she was smart too. And I think if Paige would have decided not to stay on and left with Hannah, I don't think she would have continued the friendship with Amanda, but she really had no choice. And I think so then she got used to being around her. And in her mind, she kind of saw her as like weak with Kyle and not, she didn't relate to her, but she loved her because she was sweet and nice, you know? And that's why she didn't like, she would say things to her about Kyle, but she dropped it because she watched them date and she watched them get engaged and all the wild competing and Paige was just like, well, this is just who she is. So I'll just be there for her and let her cry when they ultimately get divorced.

Speaker 1:
[25:38] Do you think that there's room for this show to continue?

Speaker 2:
[25:40] Yes. And I have to tell you, I obviously won't say who, but it's a Bravo Lab. And I was like, I just hope they get rid of him, like especially him, because like he's three seasons in, he's-

Speaker 1:
[25:53] I don't think they'll get rid of him.

Speaker 2:
[25:55] Well, after Bravo Lab, the Bravo Lab was like, B, are you kidding me?

Speaker 1:
[25:59] He's a big star.

Speaker 2:
[26:00] He's viral. Is there room for this to continue? Name a person who's not going to be tuned in next year.

Speaker 1:
[26:07] Well, no, no. I mean, I think there's a possibility that he will go on to do other things in the network. I just don't think that the cast as it exists now, I know they would have to begin filming soon. Like, if you take out the West and Amanda of it all, I mean, it's all kind of boring. I like Mia. She's a real star. But other than that-

Speaker 2:
[26:27] I think KJ is great. I think KJ, I don't know if you've been following him online sticking up for Ciara.

Speaker 1:
[26:34] Oh, no, I have seen that. I have seen that.

Speaker 2:
[26:36] You see on the show, they bonded very quickly. The three of them really, Mia and Ciara were friends.

Speaker 1:
[26:42] You think they're all going to want to live with West and Amanda?

Speaker 2:
[26:46] No. Well, Amanda has the spinoff, so Amanda doesn't have to go back.

Speaker 1:
[26:49] For the summer. Oh, God. I can't watch that city. That looks so boring to me.

Speaker 2:
[26:53] Is it possible that they stay together, they pause West for Summer House, maybe give him Traders, because we know that that film is ahead of the summer, usually like May-June, because Ciara did it. I don't think they're not going to reward him. I think there's a possibility he gets on Traders, he's told not to do Summer House, and then second season of In the City, we see them. And Kyle is a professional and Kyle needs reality television. And if Kyle has to sit down and break bread with West and have the uncomfortable conversations on camera, Kyle will. And Kyle is still sticking up for Amanda.

Speaker 1:
[27:28] It's so depressing.

Speaker 2:
[27:30] Well, you know what? What I will say is, I don't know if I agree with, like, I think that, I think the reason that we, as an audience, I don't know how you personally feel about Kyle, but I think the reason that we all kind of don't hate him and like things about him is he takes accountability. And I think him sticking up for Amanda is him taking accountability for the fact that he wasn't a great husband. And that has affected or he sees, feels like that has affected her self-esteem. And that was a contributing factor to this bad idea.

Speaker 1:
[28:06] That could be manipulative on her end, though, playing up certain things. Of course.

Speaker 2:
[28:14] Oh, she's a perennial victim. She was a victim in her marriage. She was a victim when she was dating.

Speaker 1:
[28:19] I personally don't want to be around somebody who just sort of like is a putz, just kind of like sits around all the time and doesn't do anything. And remember when they gave her a pep talk? Remember they were like, you have so much in you. It was Paige and Ciara. Like, you're so creative. I mean, Paige must have been rolling her eyeballs way back into her head when she was saying that. Like, this girl has zero interest in being motivated, but she did it because she cared and wanted the best for her.

Speaker 2:
[28:49] And to prove the point, is I'm going back to your question of why are men interested in, like, sloth-like women or why are women interested in sloth-like men?

Speaker 1:
[29:00] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[29:01] Remember Kyle's reaction when she said she wants to do a bathing suit line. He wants a wife to clap and smile for him.

Speaker 1:
[29:10] That's true.

Speaker 2:
[29:12] He wants to be the star. He's okay carrying the full load. You can look at it in marriages, right? The husband who is willing to work overtime and all this and all that, there are some men who want their wife home, who want that satisfaction of walking in at night and knowing that their paychecks pay the mortgage and pay the car notes, and put the food on the table. I'm just saying, I think this time has gone as a society that has changed, but there are still, Kyle, I think, was totally...

Speaker 1:
[29:48] But he did complain that she was lazy, so maybe the next round, the next person that he's with will go a different route.

Speaker 2:
[29:53] Well, I think he saw how much money Ciara and especially Paige were making with their brand deals and all that, and so then he was like, all right, well, you could do some brand deals.

Speaker 1:
[30:00] Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[30:10] Well, first of all, he should take a beat. I mean, he's making out with Megan King in the streets of Manhattan. But I do want to stick up for him. Megan King is 5'11. He was almost her. I think I said this on my own pod last week, and I have no idea why it bothers me because my husband is tall, and I am tall, but I really don't like, maybe because I'm a mom, I don't know, but I hate when women height shame men.

Speaker 1:
[30:38] Oh, sure.

Speaker 2:
[30:39] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[30:39] It's not their fault.

Speaker 2:
[30:40] It's such a thing. Like Austin Cole, who by the way, I did meet him in person, and he actually is handsome. But before I met him in person, because on TV to me, he's kind of ordinary looking. Like not bad looking, of course not. Everyone on TV is, there's a baseline of beauty, right? But he's not a Craig. I mean, Craig has a perfect face. People always make fun of me. They're like, oh God, you'd never say anything bad about Craig. Well, it's not that I don't say anything bad about Craig, but I'm sorry to me, he's the most beautiful on Bravo. I mean, the face. But with Austin, I was like, but there are women who won't date guys that are shorter than 6'1, 6'2.

Speaker 1:
[31:23] Yeah, I know, it's weird. There's a sea of men with great personalities and drive who would become great partners.

Speaker 2:
[31:31] But okay, I'm an asshole too though, because I wouldn't date someone who's ugly. But then again, I guess like my version, I guess everyone has a type who I think is good looking. You may be like, but yeah, to me, I think Kyle is very handsome. Now, his personality, I would never go for. We would suck too much air out of the room and we both die. But Kyle couldn't be with a woman like you or I. We're too much. He needs less. Some men need less.

Speaker 1:
[32:02] I don't know if he actually should be somebody who's ever married. I mean, I don't know if he actually even wants to have children.

Speaker 2:
[32:12] No, which is all fine.

Speaker 1:
[32:15] And that's okay.

Speaker 2:
[32:18] But then I think he likes having that person who will listen to him for hours on end, which is why he should be nicer to Carl.

Speaker 1:
[32:25] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[32:27] You know, Carl's kind of his soulmate.

Speaker 1:
[32:29] He doesn't need a wife. He just needs Carl.

Speaker 2:
[32:32] Yeah. And he needs to treat Carl well.

Speaker 1:
[32:35] Yeah. Before you go, quick hot takes on finale of Beverly Hills and what you think of the Valley.

Speaker 2:
[32:44] Okay. Valley is good. I think we had a couple of really hot seasons, and I think it's kind of like going to be calmer now because we kind of know all the crazy stuff, skeletons of all the players. Jax, of course, isn't there, but I enjoy it. I actually, it's not that I'm a huge Lala or a huge Swartz fan, but there's something about pausing people because I was happy to see them. It's kind of like that meal that your mom made that you never really loved. But then when you got older and you went home and she made it, you were like, oh, chicken cacciatore.

Speaker 1:
[33:22] Well, also, they were at the peak of something and they needed to take a beat because their egos probably were out of whack and they seem a little bit more, maybe even grateful for the opportunity.

Speaker 2:
[33:33] Especially Lala because Swartz always played that aw shucks, which I never bought into. I think I've always said it, I think Swartz is smarter than most of the people on Vanderpump. I think he leaned into that aw shucks thing. Similar to West, to gain favor. Yeah, I think so that's the Valley. Beverly Hills, I saw a preview and Dorit really calls out, because Kyle, you know how Kyle did the whole like, oh, erratic spending and all this kind of stuff? Dorit's like, I spent $4,000 and Kyle was like waiting to say, she's like, well, we're not in the same financial position. Dorit says to her, and you know what? I really hope you stay amicable with Mauricio, because should shit go left and you have to worry about the stuff I've had to worry about, and on top of that, you're filming a show and your friends aren't supportive. I do think Dorit was too harsh with a lot, but I don't know. I'm so conflicted, because on the one hand, I just think it's absolutely foolish if she really didn't know what they're financial, if she really doesn't know where a 401k is.

Speaker 1:
[34:44] Like, oh, I don't think she's foolish. I think she just doesn't give a shit. I think she probably is suspending addiction. I think the entire top of her house, every room is just filled with things.

Speaker 2:
[34:55] I guess it's just hard for me to relate to. So you're a woman whose house is being foreclosed on, you have two young children. So like, Kyle didn't need to say it, but would I be thinking that if I were shopping with her? Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[35:09] Well, yeah, but they're on a reality show, so you have to talk about it, right? Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[35:13] No, that's true. And Kyle does produce, self-produce. I just, I guess, I go back and forth. What do you think of Amanda Francis?

Speaker 1:
[35:23] I think she is like, treated it like an infomercial. And I think she'd probably be better on Orange County, because more people here are like influencer personalities.

Speaker 2:
[35:34] I think she would be better.

Speaker 1:
[35:35] I think she should have done the reverse, where if she talked to people and got to know them and then talked about her business, it wouldn't be so off-putting. But I don't know if she has the makeup of somebody who's really interested in other people. But then again, that's kind of the perfect personality for a reality show.

Speaker 2:
[35:53] And that's why I think she'll be back.

Speaker 1:
[35:55] I don't know. I don't know. Well, by the way, knew about the wedding because my old babysitter's husband works at the courthouse and he called me and said, one of their housewives is getting married. I'm like, who? And then he was like describing them. I have no idea who that is.

Speaker 2:
[36:12] That's funny.

Speaker 1:
[36:13] And then I realized, oh, it's some new person.

Speaker 2:
[36:16] Well, what I think, I think she's having a big reception. Like, so I think that maybe she won't be full time. I got an email, my emails are beside that they're considering bringing Denise back but don't know if it'll be full time. But that makes sense.

Speaker 1:
[36:29] I think they should bring her back. I think she's probably a better fit than Amanda. Because it's better when you have known somebody for many, many years.

Speaker 2:
[36:37] I love Rachel Zoe and I wasn't, I know everybody was really excited.

Speaker 1:
[36:42] It is weird how she thinks the way that Dorit behaves is like, okay, both Boz and Rachel, it's so weird to me that Dorit will be so crazy and then they're just kind of like, uh-huh, okay. When you go, what is wrong with you? Why are you talking like that?

Speaker 2:
[36:59] I find it weird that Boz is like that, but I don't find it weird with Rachel and the reason being is she's going through a very messy divorce. So I can see that maybe on camera, but also very much behind the scenes when they were getting to know each other. When someone is going through an experience so similar, you know, they both have younger, like youngest children and they're going through these divorces. So I just feel that-

Speaker 1:
[37:25] She's throwing her a bone.

Speaker 2:
[37:27] Yeah. And I think that in a way, I know this sounds bad, but Rachel almost is like, oh, and on top of everything, she's got to worry about finances. Thank God, I don't have to. So I think that Rachel almost feels sorry for her and also simp- and like also relates to the divorce piece, but then is like, God, and on top of that, she's got no money.

Speaker 1:
[37:48] So maybe like, what's the point of piling on somebody? But maybe by second season, she's like, okay, I've listened to this for about a year now. What are you doing to fix this problem? There's no way somebody in successful in business, can sit through somebody complaining about the same thing over and over again.

Speaker 2:
[38:06] But to your point, like Bose is so hard on Amanda, but she's not at all hard on Doreen.

Speaker 1:
[38:11] It's like she's really weird.

Speaker 2:
[38:13] Do I think Amanda's business is weird? Yes. However, it's voluntary. She's not making people buy her stuff.

Speaker 1:
[38:21] Yeah, and that's a choice that people make to buy it. Sure.

Speaker 2:
[38:24] I mean, people say about me all the time, I have a subscription site, and does the T eventually get confirmed? Yes. Do people steal my stuff and post it on Reddit? And if you're inclined, can you search around and do all this, all that? Yes. But are there people who pay a subscription fee monthly to listen to my extra pod and to listen to ad free and to come to the Zoom call and to see the post right away? Yes. And so am I tricking them?

Speaker 1:
[38:47] No.

Speaker 2:
[38:47] They don't have to join. They join because they want to see it right away. They like hearing it. Whatever their reasoning is, it's their reasoning. So when the naysayers post things and the people send them to me, because I don't even know how to use Reddit. I know that's embarrassing. You know how I am, Kate, though I'm not the genius at tech. That's what I have a man for. I say it just makes me laugh because number one, it's such hatery because what do you care? If you're not paying for the subscription fee, what's it to you if somebody else does?

Speaker 1:
[39:16] Right.

Speaker 2:
[39:16] But I guess Amanda's thing is like that. I think it's very silly. I wouldn't pay for somebody to talk about how rich they are. But maybe that's inspiring to these people who pay for it. Who am I to judge them? But I think that she wants to be famous.

Speaker 1:
[39:33] Oh, without question. But then again, so do all of them.

Speaker 2:
[39:36] I know.

Speaker 1:
[39:37] Is that any different than anybody else?

Speaker 2:
[39:40] No. We watch these people and we keep saying that, and then we're like, oh, yeah, they all want to be famous.

Speaker 1:
[39:48] They all do. But that's why I like watching these shows, because I like to figure out the psychology behind, like, why people do the things they do, so.

Speaker 2:
[39:55] One thing I learned, it's funny. I was always worried because I don't disclose, like, what I look like, because my account isn't about me. I just never wanted to and I never did. And so I've gone to events and when I go, I'm always nervous. And so I went to a Hulu event and I realized, as I was standing there, these people are so into themselves, nobody's listening to my voice or worried about who I am. So the funny thing is, now I go to tons of stuff. And if anyone asks, I just say, oh, I'm media, I'm press, whatever. And they never even asked me, like, with who? Like, nobody cares.

Speaker 1:
[40:35] I don't think they know, I don't think any of the Housewives know any media that covers anything that they do. They're not sophisticated.

Speaker 2:
[40:42] I once had somebody say with who and I was like, oh, page six. And they were like, oh. Like, they just.

Speaker 1:
[40:47] Say Wall Street Journal. Say Wall Street Journal next time.

Speaker 2:
[40:49] Wall Street Journal. They'll be like, what? What's that?

Speaker 1:
[40:51] The Economist.

Speaker 2:
[40:53] The Economist. But like, do you know what I'm saying, Kate? So it's like, I just think that we're, like, we can't understand it.

Speaker 1:
[41:02] No. No, no, no. No. But that's what makes it fun. Tell everybody where they can listen to your podcast and follow you.

Speaker 2:
[41:09] Cocktails and Gossip is my podcast. Please follow me at Bravo and Cocktails. And our website is bravoandcocktails.com, where we got all the juice. I mean, I have a master post of Summer House, and I actually have to look through it because I have so much stuff. And it's just crazy. Like, it's stuff that makes your head spin. I always say it's a puzzle. And like, as you read these posts, you put it together. Like, and my followers put it together for me better than I do.

Speaker 1:
[41:37] I have so much respect for, especially the women in particular, who have gone through things in life, have studied people at school, at work, in their communities, and now have put those skillsets together to really put a timeline of this affair. I commend you. I salute you.

Speaker 2:
[41:56] Yes. It's amazing.

Speaker 1:
[41:57] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[41:58] It's amazing.

Speaker 1:
[41:59] Well, thank you, as always.

Speaker 2:
[42:00] Thank you, Kate.

Speaker 1:
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