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Speaker 1:
[00:03] Welcome back to the 2026 Patriots Unfiltered Draft Show. The New England Patriots like presented by Toyota's official website for deals by a toyota.com.

Speaker 2:
[00:14] All right, we're back here at Gillette Stadium with the Patriots Unfiltered Draft Show. It's our annual draft show, one of our more fun shows of the year. We have a lot of fun, but we're going to be here all week. And we're here until the end of the first round tonight, and then tomorrow from 7 to 10 at minimum. Yeah, at minimum. So we'll be covering the second and third rounds tomorrow night, and then on Saturday from 2 to 4.

Speaker 3:
[00:44] So yeah, I think we'll probably come on on Saturday, like they might have just made their two fourth rounders or about to come out later.

Speaker 2:
[00:51] So we have something to talk about.

Speaker 3:
[00:52] Yeah, you know, then maybe get those those four six rounders right out of this. That's exciting.

Speaker 4:
[00:56] Can't wait. That's the time.

Speaker 3:
[00:59] I think that's what breaks me with the draft. Like it's just like by the time it's like in the seventh round and you're just seeing like guy after guy like, Oh God, all right, just get it over with. It seems to drag on at the end.

Speaker 2:
[01:09] So the Cleveland Browns pick is in the ninth pick of the draft. This is as a result of the trade with the Chiefs. So they moved from six back to nine. And here comes Roger Goodell to announce the pick. He's such a stud. He's a big workout guy.

Speaker 4:
[01:31] Why does he walk so slow?

Speaker 2:
[01:32] He likes to work.

Speaker 5:
[01:36] 26, NFL Draft, the Cleveland Browns select Spencer Fano, tackle Utah.

Speaker 4:
[01:46] So we're starting to see some of the offensive linemen now fly off the board. The 10th pick by the Giants, obviously the Giants have the 10th pick from Cincinnati, has already been made and is also an offensive lineman.

Speaker 2:
[01:58] So who is it?

Speaker 4:
[01:59] It is Francis Mugawa from Miami, who is a very good player. Fano, it's interesting that Fano went ahead of Mugawa, in my opinion. I don't know where Fano is going to play. He's one of those guys that has shorter arms. He's, this is a Will Campbell Redux conversation with him. He measured in with 32 and an eighth inch arms at the combine. He measured in longer at his pro day, just like Will Campbell did. But still under the 33 inch threshold. He's a great run blocker. He's athletic. He's got great feet. But he definitely is someone that some people think might have to move inside at the next level, maybe even all the way into center for some. So it's going to be interesting to see. He's played a little bit of left. He's played a little bit of right. He might be a guard. You know, he's one of those types of guys that you don't know exactly where he's going to be on the offensive line, but he's, everyone thinks he's going to be a good player somewhere on the line. I liked Magoa a little bit better. I thought he was a little bit longer, a little bit wider of a body, a little bit better power absorption and displacement in his run blocks. A little bit more of like a power player than what you got with Faneuil, but both guys that were projected to go right here and you expect them to, you know, start a run at tackle here, which I think is the most interesting part of the conversation.

Speaker 6:
[03:18] And here's the Giants pick now with Raj.

Speaker 5:
[03:22] With the 10th pick in the 2026 NFL Draft, the New York Giants select Francis Mawaenoa, Tackle Miami.

Speaker 3:
[03:37] I think Mawaenoa is right.

Speaker 6:
[03:38] It's Mawaenoa.

Speaker 3:
[03:38] Mawaenoa.

Speaker 6:
[03:39] Even though there's no Mawaenoa.

Speaker 3:
[03:40] I'm assuming they're all phonetically spelled for the commission.

Speaker 4:
[03:43] Yeah. He does the whole thing. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[03:44] They had a thing on him going over pronunciation. It's tough.

Speaker 3:
[03:48] There are some names every year that you're like.

Speaker 2:
[03:50] Yeah. A guy in New York is wondering why he can't get the show on YouTube. I don't know. We're supposed to be live on YouTube.

Speaker 4:
[03:57] I've seen people in the YouTube chat. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[04:00] It's you, not us.

Speaker 3:
[04:02] Check your cookies.

Speaker 4:
[04:04] The Cowboys are on the clock. They've traded into the 11th pick in the draft.

Speaker 6:
[04:07] They just couldn't help themselves.

Speaker 3:
[04:09] It's got to be down.

Speaker 4:
[04:10] I just think it's interesting though with the tackles real quick. So Fennel, Mawaenoa, is that how we're saying it? Both go. So now we're into the Freelings, the Proctors, the Lomus, the Millers, the Ionachores. Most people expect the tackles to start flying now.

Speaker 6:
[04:28] There's five more.

Speaker 4:
[04:29] So I don't know where the next one goes. I don't think it's going to be Dallas. But now we're starting to view one of those people that really want the Patriots to draft a tackle tonight. Now this is when you start to sweat a little bit.

Speaker 2:
[04:42] I'm hoping after Dallas makes their pick, they show their war room because nobody celebrates an easy pick like the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 4:
[04:49] Oh, yeah. To my credit, they're very good at drafting. So I do give them that.

Speaker 2:
[04:53] They just don't win.

Speaker 3:
[04:54] You know my favorite. I've been doing this long now. It's like the kid in the suit. Like the 12-year-old kid who's in the fancy suit.

Speaker 2:
[05:00] You know he's one of the grandkids.

Speaker 4:
[05:01] Right.

Speaker 3:
[05:01] And of course, he's already worth more than I am, I'm sure. The kid's going to be making the decisions down the road.

Speaker 4:
[05:06] They traded up one slot by the way.

Speaker 2:
[05:08] Tim, who lives in Truckee, which is Lake Tahoe, California, but from Acton Mass. He has a few points. Evan and Barth did the Bob's commercial and then did a furniture draft on Catch-22. Is that true?

Speaker 4:
[05:20] That is true.

Speaker 6:
[05:21] Really?

Speaker 2:
[05:21] That's clever.

Speaker 3:
[05:22] That's not like you guys.

Speaker 2:
[05:23] That sounds fun.

Speaker 6:
[05:23] I was going to say, that sounds amusing. Evan is not amusing.

Speaker 4:
[05:28] Do you think that I was the one that wanted to do the furniture draft?

Speaker 6:
[05:30] In fairness, Barth doesn't really spell.

Speaker 2:
[05:32] I like that.

Speaker 6:
[05:33] I'm amusing either.

Speaker 2:
[05:33] That's a good idea.

Speaker 6:
[05:34] That's a great idea.

Speaker 2:
[05:35] Colfax, California is on Interstate 80, about 20 minutes east of Sacramento.

Speaker 6:
[05:41] Oh yeah.

Speaker 3:
[05:41] I've never been up there. That's too far.

Speaker 2:
[05:42] Bob's Discount Furniture expanded to the Sacramento area. So there you go. Bob's out there now.

Speaker 3:
[05:48] Bob's out there.

Speaker 2:
[05:49] And lastly, as another Xmas resident, please have Alex show more hammered fans. Makes me laugh at the old shouter heads from my youth.

Speaker 4:
[05:56] What was his furniture draft though? He didn't mention the furniture.

Speaker 3:
[05:59] So who went where?

Speaker 4:
[06:00] So it was a top three favorite furniture items.

Speaker 3:
[06:04] Recliner's going first overall, I would guess.

Speaker 4:
[06:06] And we did a snake draft, so you got to go back to back picks, which was hard because I didn't know that.

Speaker 6:
[06:12] It was a three-round snake draft.

Speaker 4:
[06:13] Yeah. And so Alex went first and he took a recliner, a big lazy boy.

Speaker 3:
[06:20] Sectional.

Speaker 4:
[06:21] And then I took couch and then he was like, well, you got to go again. And I was like, I'm not prepared. I'm not prepared to go again.

Speaker 3:
[06:27] You took my couch second overall. Let's go sectional.

Speaker 6:
[06:29] Come on.

Speaker 4:
[06:30] What's the difference?

Speaker 1:
[06:31] Mike, you can arrange it.

Speaker 6:
[06:32] It's the same thing.

Speaker 4:
[06:33] It's a couch. Recliner.

Speaker 6:
[06:35] Is recliner just like the chair, like the lazy boy or the sectional with the recliner?

Speaker 3:
[06:43] That could go first overall. I mean, sectional with a recliner, you're getting the best of both worlds.

Speaker 6:
[06:46] That would have been my first overall.

Speaker 2:
[06:48] I think my first overall is the perfect bed with all the bells and whistles, reclining, all that.

Speaker 4:
[06:57] I took bed with my second bed.

Speaker 2:
[06:59] Because you're going to spend most of the time there.

Speaker 4:
[07:01] I didn't even think of bed. That was my argument, was that the bed is you spend, like, what, a third of your life in a bed?

Speaker 6:
[07:06] Not if you're a lazy SOB like me. You spend most of your time on the couch, watching TV.

Speaker 2:
[07:11] So, if you had to choose a football position for each piece of furniture, what would the bed be? Would that be your quarterback?

Speaker 4:
[07:18] Offensive line.

Speaker 2:
[07:19] Offensive line.

Speaker 4:
[07:21] Like, you're not, like, really.

Speaker 6:
[07:22] Do that on your own time.

Speaker 4:
[07:23] You're not thinking about it, but it needs to be good. It needs to be reliable. It needs to be consistent.

Speaker 2:
[07:27] Who's your quarterback? What piece of furniture is your quarterback?

Speaker 6:
[07:30] You can't get by with a bed.

Speaker 2:
[07:32] Oh, you consider the TV a piece of furniture?

Speaker 4:
[07:33] Is the TV a furniture? Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[07:34] Your armoire. Did I say that right?

Speaker 4:
[07:36] Your TV. Like, it's like, that's the sexy one.

Speaker 6:
[07:40] That's a wide receiver.

Speaker 2:
[07:41] He said it's a quarterback. You know what?

Speaker 3:
[07:43] Before we move-

Speaker 6:
[07:43] Diva receiver is the 60-inch flat screen. Oh.

Speaker 3:
[07:47] They're not really furniture though, right? You can't sit on a-

Speaker 6:
[07:49] I don't think your TV is furniture either.

Speaker 4:
[07:51] Can we get a prospect list?

Speaker 3:
[07:52] Can we get a prospect list? Like, that's what I need to know, because I'm not thinking of everything, like bar stool, like these random pieces.

Speaker 6:
[07:58] Ottoman.

Speaker 3:
[07:59] For Ottoman, futon.

Speaker 2:
[08:00] What about your kitchen table?

Speaker 6:
[08:02] The Ottoman that opens up.

Speaker 3:
[08:04] Dining room table, that's like, maybe that's your quarterback.

Speaker 2:
[08:06] I use it twice a year.

Speaker 4:
[08:08] Dining room table is like the biggest mistake we ever made. I couldn't do it.

Speaker 3:
[08:13] That's our day three guys, the outdoor furniture.

Speaker 4:
[08:15] I took the outdoor couch, because I think that's key. Like, you know, have a really nice set up.

Speaker 6:
[08:20] The outdoor grill. I have the outdoor stuff.

Speaker 3:
[08:22] Is that furniture, though?

Speaker 6:
[08:23] That's furniture, the outdoor.

Speaker 4:
[08:24] Let me ask you guys this, since you're all so interested. Do you consider a hammock furniture?

Speaker 3:
[08:29] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[08:30] I don't have a hammock.

Speaker 4:
[08:31] I lie on it.

Speaker 3:
[08:32] Yeah. I think it's more of it than a grill.

Speaker 4:
[08:34] I told Barth he couldn't take hammock.

Speaker 3:
[08:36] What's the definition of furniture?

Speaker 4:
[08:38] That doesn't count.

Speaker 2:
[08:39] When you have a hammock, do you have the rope hammock or do you have the fabric hammock? Rope.

Speaker 4:
[08:45] I'm a rope hammock guy.

Speaker 2:
[08:46] You got to let the air come in.

Speaker 6:
[08:48] Didn't that guy in Polys Island, South Carolina, didn't he do those?

Speaker 2:
[08:51] Polys Island makes good hammocks.

Speaker 6:
[08:53] That's what I was getting at. Didn't he do hammocks?

Speaker 3:
[08:56] Movable objects.

Speaker 4:
[08:57] The Dallas Cowboys have made a pick at number 11.

Speaker 6:
[09:00] Who did they select?

Speaker 4:
[09:01] The Dallas Cowboys. Who did they select? From Ohio State University. Caleb Downs, safety.

Speaker 2:
[09:07] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[09:07] Ohio State.

Speaker 2:
[09:08] Okay, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[09:10] It's a good pick.

Speaker 3:
[09:10] They stink on defense, don't they?

Speaker 4:
[09:12] They do stink on defense.

Speaker 6:
[09:13] They do stink on defense, Mike.

Speaker 4:
[09:14] That's inaccurate.

Speaker 7:
[09:17] But what a treat for them.

Speaker 4:
[09:18] That is inaccurate, Mike.

Speaker 3:
[09:19] What a talented guy to get at 11th overall. I mean, I think you said at the top, maybe one of the two most talented players, but, and not even, I mean, yes, a lesser position, but still, it's a guy you can move around and do a lot of stuff.

Speaker 6:
[09:34] Because people don't necessarily think of safety.

Speaker 4:
[09:36] He feels very Kyle Hamilton.

Speaker 6:
[09:38] Like is he Kyle Hamilton to me?

Speaker 4:
[09:39] Kyle Hamilton, I think, went 14, I want to say. But Caleb Downs, he didn't test, he didn't run a 40. He's a little bit smaller than Kyle Hamilton. I think he's about 5'11, six feet tall, is not quite that big of a safety. But he, out of any player that I can remember in college football, moved around as much as anybody. And, you know, Matt Patricia, obviously, with a defensive background in the NFL, he used him like an NFL safety. I mean, the guy played everywhere in all levels of that Ohio State defense. Big time playmaker, always around the football. You know, he's somebody that a lot of people felt like was going to slide. And then three years from now, we're going to say, hey, remember when they let 10 guys go ahead of Caleb Downs and how stupid that was? So, we'll see if that ends up being the way that it goes. Same way it went with Kyle Hamilton. Just the position, the value of the position, just knocks him down the board.

Speaker 2:
[10:39] David in Texas says, Lazy Boy is the quarterback. Hammock is the third string quarterback, Evan.

Speaker 4:
[10:45] Okay. I mean, I don't know. The Lazy Boy, to me, is in the same category as like the trenches, like that, like you're laying in it, you're sitting in it, like you need.

Speaker 2:
[10:56] It supports you.

Speaker 4:
[10:57] Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2:
[10:58] It supports you.

Speaker 4:
[10:59] The quarterback is the quarterback. I mean, it's the star. I like Paul's.

Speaker 3:
[11:03] It's really like a three tool furniture piece, you know, it's like you could maybe even put a fridge in it. Like you got chargers. I mean, you could do it all with your sectionals now.

Speaker 6:
[11:11] Now they got everything.

Speaker 4:
[11:12] Charging ports.

Speaker 6:
[11:14] Charging ports. Absolutely.

Speaker 3:
[11:15] It's adjustable. It can it can change as your life.

Speaker 5:
[11:19] Grow with you.

Speaker 2:
[11:20] Let's see if they go to the Cowboys.

Speaker 5:
[11:22] The Dallas Cowboys select Caleb Downs.

Speaker 1:
[11:30] Oh, man.

Speaker 6:
[11:33] So that trade that Dallas had was only one spot for Miami.

Speaker 3:
[11:36] It was they went up to get them over Miami.

Speaker 6:
[11:39] Two-fifths to go up a spot.

Speaker 1:
[11:40] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[11:41] They must have had somebody else.

Speaker 6:
[11:43] They were afraid someone else was going to go up. But I think that's interesting for Miami. They're just like stockpiling some picks.

Speaker 4:
[11:50] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[11:51] They have a lot of early picks too, right?

Speaker 4:
[11:53] They said that the Patriots, they were projecting we're going to be on o'clock at 31 at around 1030 tonight.

Speaker 2:
[12:00] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[12:00] We're only on 11. So I feel like we got to pick up the pace here a little bit.

Speaker 2:
[12:06] It's almost like the league changed it to eight minutes so they could take more time. You know?

Speaker 3:
[12:11] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[12:12] Yeah. This has been, we were moving in the beginning and now we've hit a snag. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[12:18] Oh, no.

Speaker 6:
[12:20] Yeah. We're a third of the way through.

Speaker 2:
[12:23] Spina Fresno says, for God's sake, please give us some Goodell trash talk. Each of you identify what you most loathe about him, but each choose something different. The worst part of this weekend is watching that goblin demon troll emerge from the bowels of hell to pretend he cares about players. Wow.

Speaker 6:
[12:40] So my thing that I would hate the most about him is adjacent to that. It's the whole notion. And Fred and I were there when he had an informal meeting, remember?

Speaker 2:
[12:51] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[12:52] And you and I were there and he was talking to Patriots fans and talking about, the fans have told us you want more games, you want the 17-game season, you want, and I just like that whole line of thought that he perpetuates, he tries so hard to let it, that it's you, Mike, you want games on Thursday nights, you want games on Friday nights and Wednesday nights, and you want them to play 18-game regular seasons. When no one I really talked to really wants that.

Speaker 3:
[13:19] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[13:19] And that's the thing that I loathe about him the most.

Speaker 3:
[13:22] I'm sorry to disappoint the emailer, but I view the commissioner as the commissioner, and it's not him that wants the games, it's the owners. He is the person who has to step up there and do their bidding.

Speaker 8:
[13:34] His number one job is to increase revenue, and because that's what the owners want.

Speaker 3:
[13:39] To take all the slings and arrows, he doesn't run the league. And to be the guy that everybody hates. You know, but I get it. I mean, there's certainly been over the years, things that you felt like the Patriots may have been treated a little unfairly by him.

Speaker 6:
[13:51] Yeah, I just hate that whole line of thought. Like the player safety stuff that the email is talking about. I agree. I don't think they care at all about that.

Speaker 2:
[13:58] Yeah, I don't loathe them the way other Patriots fans do. Oh, I don't.

Speaker 9:
[14:01] I just like not for that.

Speaker 3:
[14:02] You could put someone else in that and it's the same exact thing.

Speaker 4:
[14:05] I just would like to ask him, what was the motivation behind dragging the greatest player in the history of your sport through a scandal that was a bunch of science? Like, what was really behind that? Because this is a figure that you are going to tout now when he goes into the Hall of Fame and post-career and all that kind of stuff. As the Michael Jordan of your sport, as the greatest player in the history of the league, and you dragged him through the mud over a couple of PSI's in a football. I lost all respect for him that day. I'm not going to lie. It made no sense. They targeted him for no reason. Well, I didn't get that at all.

Speaker 2:
[14:46] I came out very strongly at that during that, saying the commissioner of the league is calling Tom Brady a cheat and a liar. But I think he was in a tough place because if he didn't do that, the other owners would come down on him. Everybody was looking for blood from the New England Patriots.

Speaker 4:
[15:06] But he didn't have to go on for a year and go up to the Supreme Court.

Speaker 2:
[15:10] Well, Brady was part of that too.

Speaker 6:
[15:11] I see all sides of this.

Speaker 4:
[15:13] Because it was ridiculous. There was a witch hunt.

Speaker 2:
[15:15] It was ridiculous.

Speaker 4:
[15:16] I do, but I think the whole-

Speaker 2:
[15:17] Here's what I was most pissed off about the league about.

Speaker 1:
[15:20] Fred, they're showing Dallas.

Speaker 3:
[15:21] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[15:22] Look at him. Look at him.

Speaker 3:
[15:24] Where's my little guy? He must have gotten grown up.

Speaker 4:
[15:25] We got our guy.

Speaker 2:
[15:26] There's more non-football people in the Dallas war room than any other war room.

Speaker 4:
[15:31] They have to have all the Joneses.

Speaker 2:
[15:33] What I was most mad about the league about, and I guess I could blame Goodell for this, they had the correct PSI numbers after that, and they didn't release them until the Wells report came out. They could have corrected those numbers much earlier, Chris Mortenson numbers, much earlier because they had the correct numbers. That's what pissed me off the most.

Speaker 6:
[15:55] I think it's definitely fair to be upset that he came down so hard on something, in my opinion, that was rather insignificant. But like Fred's point about he had to do that to satisfy the other owners, and that was his fault also.

Speaker 5:
[16:12] The Miami Dolphins select, Kayden Proctor, Tackle, Alabama.

Speaker 4:
[16:18] I think we're due for the Rams, I believe are going to have a stunning pick at 13. What do you mean?

Speaker 6:
[16:25] You already have it?

Speaker 4:
[16:26] I believe so, but I've only seen it in one place, so I don't want to say it out loud. But I think the Rams are about to take a shocking pick here at 13.

Speaker 2:
[16:35] A shocking pick?

Speaker 4:
[16:36] A shocking.

Speaker 3:
[16:37] Evan Lazar, setting this up. I don't even say any more.

Speaker 2:
[16:39] I just want to know what's going on. So up to this point, any surprises for you guys?

Speaker 4:
[16:42] A little bit.

Speaker 3:
[16:43] I think Tyson went a little higher. I mean, I thought he might slide a little bit.

Speaker 4:
[16:46] No, I thought Tyson would go top 10, but Proctor here over Monroe Freeling is maybe a little bit of a surprise. Proctor is a big, hulking guy. This guy is massive, a really good athlete for that size. But there were some concerns with him in terms of technique, foot speed, obviously endurance at that size. But they would do things with him in college where they would put him at receiver. They throw him the ball.

Speaker 3:
[17:12] They're showing it on TV right now.

Speaker 4:
[17:14] He just run people over like a giant tight end, Gronkowski style. When you're able to do that at tackle at three bills.

Speaker 6:
[17:24] I was trying to figure out what could be so stunning. That's a stunning pick.

Speaker 4:
[17:28] They made a stunning pick.

Speaker 6:
[17:29] The Rams made a stunning pick. Evan did not oversell that.

Speaker 4:
[17:31] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[17:31] Do we want to say it?

Speaker 6:
[17:34] Go ahead, Evan.

Speaker 4:
[17:34] The Rams took Ty Simpson, quarterback from Alabama.

Speaker 2:
[17:38] Wow. That is stunning.

Speaker 4:
[17:40] So apparently, according to Jay Glazer, Sean McVay called Matthew Stafford and told Matthew Stafford that they were going to do this. Matthew Stafford is supposedly all for it, but they took Ty Simpson at 13.

Speaker 3:
[17:57] It feels like a pennix to me.

Speaker 4:
[17:59] Do you know who everybody owes an apology to a little bit? It is Dan O. Dan Orlovsky has been pouting the table that this guy is a first-round caliber quarterback. When Lesnade and Sean McVay agree with you, so much so that they're going to draft him with Matthew Stafford still on the roster, that tells you how highly they think of him. We'll see. His first seven, eight games of last year, whereas good quarterback tape is as Fernando Mendoza's, he then fell completely off a cliff, and he had a very bad game against Indiana in the college football playoffs. So it was one of those things where if you just watch the first eight or nine games of Tyson's season last year, you saw it. You saw the first round talent, the first round ability, but as the season wore on, some of the warts came out and some of the lack of athleticism, lack of physical tools, and that sort of thing just the physicality period.

Speaker 6:
[18:52] I think he broke down. I think he got banged up and injured and didn't play as well as a result. But I don't know if you remember this. He played so well early in the year. There was a time like I just like you know how I do it. Like I just watch a game. I saw this game and I came in and I went to Evan. I go, I think I've made the determination that Ty Simpson is the best quarterback in the country. And then like he never completed a pass again. It was like the poly curse.

Speaker 2:
[19:17] Who was the better quarterback coming out, Ty Simpson or Jordan Love?

Speaker 4:
[19:21] Coming out, very different. You know, Jordan Love threw a ton of picks in college.

Speaker 6:
[19:25] I would say Ty Simpson.

Speaker 4:
[19:26] It was more of a project and had more upside than Ty Simpson.

Speaker 6:
[19:29] I don't like Jordan Love.

Speaker 4:
[19:30] But everyone kind of knew Jordan Love was going to have to sit and develop behind somebody.

Speaker 2:
[19:34] Well, I think they're going to know this guy has to sit too.

Speaker 6:
[19:36] But this is a red shirt.

Speaker 4:
[19:37] The reason why I'm asking is because they're very different.

Speaker 2:
[19:41] Different quarterbacks but similar situation.

Speaker 4:
[19:44] Yeah, but I would say Ty Simpson is more Mac Jones than he is Jordan Love. He's somebody that I think could play right away and could start right away.

Speaker 6:
[19:53] He didn't play much though in college. Although neither did Mac.

Speaker 4:
[19:56] Ty Simpson is not like Jordan Love was like a raw, upside great arm talent, great athleticism, great size. That's not Ty Simpson.

Speaker 6:
[20:04] Yeah, they're totally different styles of player. But I think the similarity that I think Fred is talking about is neither one of them is going to play.

Speaker 2:
[20:12] Right. They're going to a team with an established quarterback who's not going anywhere.

Speaker 4:
[20:16] But I think Ty Simpson is more in the Brock Purdy, Jimmy Garoppolo, Mac Jones mold.

Speaker 2:
[20:22] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[20:23] Whereas Jordan Love is in more of that like Josh Allen, like this guy's got great upside mold. They're polar opposites in terms of style.

Speaker 6:
[20:31] You brought up Jimmy G and I know that he was in the news a lot this week and I think that McVeigh was trying to convince him to stick around for another year. I don't think that he wanted to. Jimmy, I think is done.

Speaker 3:
[20:46] He's contemplating retirement.

Speaker 6:
[20:49] They had some urgency to get not only a guy for the future, but a guy to back up now.

Speaker 4:
[20:54] Yeah. I think Ty Simpson could play right away if he was in a different situation. He's obviously not going to play right away with Rams.

Speaker 6:
[21:00] Right.

Speaker 4:
[21:00] Jordan Love could not play right away. Like Jordan Love had to take-

Speaker 6:
[21:03] You saw him when he did have to play, he was light years away from him.

Speaker 2:
[21:06] He wasn't that good.

Speaker 4:
[21:07] So Ty Simpson, he's a guy that I view as a high floor quarterback.

Speaker 6:
[21:12] That's a really, really interesting pick. It's just to me, it's an illustration of the Rams' entire mindset.

Speaker 2:
[21:17] They think differently.

Speaker 6:
[21:19] They do, but the whole FM picks thing, they really believe it. I could take someone here in the first round that can help me this year. I don't need that. I'm just going to take the guy. I'm going to need a quarterback at some point. I'm going to see if this guy can be developed. I do think that they live by that FM picks mantra.

Speaker 3:
[21:37] No, I like it. I love teams that do.

Speaker 2:
[21:38] If you're Ty Simpson, do you like being...

Speaker 3:
[21:41] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6:
[21:42] That would be one of the five or so.

Speaker 3:
[21:43] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[21:44] McVeigh, Evans guy, give me a LaFleur even. No, just give me a quarterback developer. Kevin O'Connell, give me someone that can get the most out of me. I mean, absolutely. I've learned behind Matthew Stabber.

Speaker 2:
[21:56] I mean, by going in the first round, he makes a little extra money. So that kind of softens the blow of not going to start that year.

Speaker 6:
[22:04] He's going to get about 50 million, right?

Speaker 4:
[22:07] I would just add, to make this about the Patriots, the guy that all of us thought the teams were trying to trade up for at the back of the first round, just went at 13.

Speaker 6:
[22:16] So is that not the chances of Patriots picking at 31?

Speaker 2:
[22:19] But that's an interesting thing. So the teams that are like 29 to 32, what's going on in their draft room right now? How much does this shuffle their board?

Speaker 4:
[22:29] Yeah, that to me is the biggest domino about this trade is that-

Speaker 2:
[22:34] Yeah, they're not.

Speaker 4:
[22:35] Look at their draft room.

Speaker 6:
[22:36] It's amazing.

Speaker 4:
[22:36] That's what I like. There's four people. It's McVeigh.

Speaker 2:
[22:38] Well, they don't have-

Speaker 6:
[22:39] I got a hoodie on. Like, it's just another day.

Speaker 4:
[22:43] They usually rent out-

Speaker 2:
[22:44] Well, they don't have the crutches to laugh at anymore.

Speaker 4:
[22:46] They usually rent out a house somewhere in the hills of California, some fancy bougie house. Yeah. It's like a drunk house for three days.

Speaker 6:
[22:55] They just party and have- And McVeigh flexes on Twitter. No, that might have been Kingsbury.

Speaker 4:
[22:58] They literally just throw a rager for three days, and then every hour they're like, oh, we're on the clock, guys, and Lesney's like, we're taking this guy. I love it.

Speaker 3:
[23:08] I just love teams that have personality and just have a style of their own, and it's such a great division. I mean, now they're going to continue that.

Speaker 6:
[23:17] Fred always makes fun of me because I definitely have a soft spot for the Rams. I like the way they do their business.

Speaker 2:
[23:23] It's like Stafford.

Speaker 6:
[23:24] Well, I love Stafford. I always have. We can revisit, if you want to make fun of me, when I would have traded straight up Brady for Stafford back in the day. Brady only won about seven more titles after that. 2012-ish, somewhere in there. Yeah, long before Brady was finished. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I like the way they go about their business, in that they have conviction in what they do. They're not afraid to be unconventional, and they're always talented. It's not like when they do the ebbs and flows, when they have down years, it's because of injury. It's not because they weren't good enough that year.

Speaker 3:
[24:00] Yeah. They've got a great offensive coach, and they're always good offensively.

Speaker 4:
[24:06] He's a great program builder too.

Speaker 2:
[24:08] Remember like five years ago, he was thinking about retiring?

Speaker 4:
[24:11] Yeah, after they won the Super Bowl. He's the rare tight pants guy that also has a little bit of coaching acumen and that ability to lead people. I don't know if my guys like Kyle Shanahan and Matt LaFleur and some of these other guys really have that trait. He's got the coaching chops and the X's and O's and a little bit of Mike Vrabel in them too.

Speaker 2:
[24:34] Here's the announcement of Ty Simpson.

Speaker 5:
[24:38] Los Angeles Rams select Ty Simpson.

Speaker 4:
[24:47] Rich is alive.

Speaker 2:
[24:49] But he knew. It's not like they don't know too. No.

Speaker 3:
[24:53] Is it like Pennex? I know they're different players, but Pennex, they're kind of like the end of the first, the early second, maybe you can get them, and then all of a sudden, boom, he goes, what? I mean, almost, God, when did he go?

Speaker 4:
[25:04] Pennex?

Speaker 3:
[25:04] Right around there. Pennex is right around there.

Speaker 4:
[25:06] No, he went top 10. He went eight. Eight?

Speaker 6:
[25:08] Okay. I want to say eight.

Speaker 4:
[25:09] I was thinking 11. It's interesting. Last year, around this time, there was a lot of rumors, and then he went on to win the MVP and nobody talked about it. But there's a lot of issues with Matthew Stafford's back in his health. And he had back issues going all the way. He missed the whole summer. Yeah. Going into training camp almost up to the season, and then goes on to win MVP and have the best year of his career, and take the Rams to the NFC Championship game, and it was all forgotten. But the Rams obviously know better than anybody, just how tenuous his back and his body is right now. And maybe they know a little bit more than we do about the fact that Stafford might not hold up for the entire season.

Speaker 2:
[25:49] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[25:49] And now they have a guy that can.

Speaker 2:
[25:52] All right. Well, that's interesting. And like we said, teams at the bottom of the draft in the first round might be reshuffling some things there.

Speaker 3:
[26:01] It's just a reminder how hard it is to get the quarterback and how valuable it is and how when you have an opportunity to get a guy that you believe in and you're in the position to take that guy. And I think what Paul was kind of getting at is you got to respect that decision of, yeah, they could have drafted another one of these guys, but they went with the quarterback.

Speaker 4:
[26:19] Yeah. I mean, Ruben Bane's still on the board. Like there's guys that definitely you felt like you know are good football players still left, but they went with.

Speaker 2:
[26:27] Will there be a quarterback, another quarterback chosen by the third round?

Speaker 4:
[26:34] Another quarterback chosen. I, yes, I think Carson Beck's gonna go.

Speaker 6:
[26:37] In the second?

Speaker 4:
[26:38] Maybe in the second. Okay. Yeah. I would say Carson Beck has a chance to go pretty early. He was an interesting player. Like I, Carson Beck, you know, I think has some ability and has some of the traits that you look for in an NFL quarterback. Maybe didn't quite put it all together in college, but I could see somebody taking him in the second round.

Speaker 5:
[27:00] All right.

Speaker 2:
[27:02] What everyone wants to talk about is furniture. Dave in the Philippines, since I spent all day every day in front of my computer, mostly watching podcasts on patriots.com, my quarterback is my office chair in front of my computer. My lazy boy is my left tackle and my bed, more specifically, my mattress is my defensive line. I need that sleep.

Speaker 5:
[27:22] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[27:22] I think this might be a personal thing of your quarterback. It's probably a different answer for everybody because everybody has a favorite piece of furniture that you enjoy sitting on, perhaps resting. Okay.

Speaker 4:
[27:37] What's your favorite piece of furniture to sit on, dude?

Speaker 3:
[27:41] Popo's on. What was the? You know what? I just love my sectional. That's my favorite spot. Post it up.

Speaker 2:
[27:48] I have one of those stressless chairs.

Speaker 3:
[27:50] Stressless.

Speaker 2:
[27:51] Really?

Speaker 3:
[27:51] When you sit there, you feel nothing?

Speaker 4:
[27:54] Does it lift you out of the chair like you're talking about? I think it's sweet.

Speaker 2:
[27:58] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[28:00] It's in my chair.

Speaker 4:
[28:00] Is it like a weighted blanket?

Speaker 3:
[28:03] Those are such a scam. We've had one for years on our bed and I'm like, every time I try to move that thing, I'm like, Jesus, this thing is so freaking heavy.

Speaker 2:
[28:09] What do you mean?

Speaker 4:
[28:10] I need to know more. What do you mean stressless?

Speaker 2:
[28:12] It's the brand name.

Speaker 4:
[28:13] It's okay. No, it's okay.

Speaker 2:
[28:15] The brand name is stressless.

Speaker 4:
[28:17] Fred, don't worry.

Speaker 3:
[28:18] Don't listen to those haters, Fred.

Speaker 2:
[28:19] Go look it up. You know you know. Noah from Kentucky moving to Seattle. Good luck. Yeah. Now that we're a few picks in, I'm ready to trade up and pick Kenyon Siddique. I'm somewhat joking, I take him at number five. But what range do you all think would be reasonable to trade up to get him?

Speaker 3:
[28:42] Mid-20s maybe? Sure, mid-20s, 24, 25, somewhere in there.

Speaker 2:
[28:45] And would you?

Speaker 4:
[28:47] Depends on what I'm giving up, I don't know.

Speaker 3:
[28:49] Yeah, probably not.

Speaker 6:
[28:50] I'd be interested, but I'd need to know the parameters.

Speaker 3:
[28:53] I personally probably would not, but if they did it, I would say good for you, I think. I mean, again, I just think that TE2 spot is just such an easy place to, there aren't many positions on the roster right now that you can look at and say, there's an opportunity for someone to step in and play immediately. I mean, Nose Tackle would definitely be.

Speaker 4:
[29:10] Yeah, Nose Tackle, Edge.

Speaker 3:
[29:12] But, and Edge. But after that, you look at the TE2 and you can protect them. Hunter Henry, I mean, he's 32. Still coming off two great years, I'm a little bit radar up on him with how he fell off a little bit at the end. But I just see that TE2 spot. Even if it's a kid like Max Clair or Oscar Delp, you don't need to ask a lot of them. You just need to be like, use your athleticism, get open, and let Drake find you.

Speaker 2:
[29:38] The Ravens pick is in. Do we know who?

Speaker 4:
[29:41] We don't know yet.

Speaker 2:
[29:42] Okay. Meanwhile, Chris and Mayne wants to know, does this staff, meaning the Ravens staff, historically draft players who they have in for top 30 visits?

Speaker 6:
[29:51] Here's the Ravens.

Speaker 5:
[29:52] In the 2026 Annabelle Draft, the Baltimore Ravens, so-and-so.

Speaker 4:
[30:02] This is maybe one of my favorite players in the entire draft.

Speaker 6:
[30:06] This guy is a psychopath.

Speaker 4:
[30:09] This guy wants to ruin people's days. He wants to put you in the ground, and then once he puts you in the ground, he's going to go find somebody else and he can put that guy in the ground too. He is just an absolute demon out there. The power, but I would say the finishing ability is what really stands out with him. I just loved watching him. You could watch one tape of him and you could see him stack a dozen pancakes in one game. Is that mean that kind of Baltimore Raven, Lamar Jackson, Derek Henry running the ball behind Vago, Ayanna is going to be a tough sledding for teams. You better bring your hard hat on that day because they're going to run you over.

Speaker 6:
[30:48] My Penn State can confirm. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[30:50] Oh yeah. Right. Paul's got sources there. Yeah. I mean, interesting. I mean, he definitely feels like a Ravens player, which I know they're not the Ravens anymore.

Speaker 6:
[30:57] I know he's a guard, not a center, but like, you know, she was up that interior part of the line. I think that they struggled a little bit running the ball a little bit last year, not as productive as they have been. Although you wouldn't know that from the Patriots game. But well, you know, until the fourth quarter when John Harbaugh decided I'm not going to coach anymore.

Speaker 4:
[31:16] I knew that was coming.

Speaker 3:
[31:17] Yeah. They need a guard. I mean, just looking at their depth chart. I mean, Andrew Voorhees and John Simpson.

Speaker 4:
[31:22] He's a bad man. He's a fun player.

Speaker 2:
[31:25] I'm fine with taking guards in the first round if they're going to be really good.

Speaker 3:
[31:29] So if you're a linebacker and you got to get a rounder off of that guy's block and then you got to tackle Derrick Henry.

Speaker 6:
[31:35] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[31:36] You're not going to have a fun time.

Speaker 2:
[31:37] That's a long day.

Speaker 4:
[31:38] That's a long day. That's a long day.

Speaker 6:
[31:40] It only took Mike an hour and a half to get Derrick Henry involved in the conversation.

Speaker 4:
[31:44] He just, you got to think. You got to think.

Speaker 2:
[31:47] So back to Chris and Maine's question. What weight do we put in the guys that have come for 30 visits? Do they have historically a track record of taking those guys?

Speaker 4:
[31:57] They did last year, but we have a one-year sample size of that happening. So I don't know how large of a sample size that is if we want to put too much stock in that. But last year, I want to say they took four guys that were in for 30 visit.

Speaker 6:
[32:14] That's pretty significant.

Speaker 4:
[32:15] So I think that that's a number that is significant enough to say, okay, this could be a trend. We'll see if that trend holds.

Speaker 3:
[32:24] But traditionally, it's like you got questions about the guy. It's not because we love this guy so much. Maybe there are instances like that. We want to get a fit.

Speaker 6:
[32:31] I think if a guy has a lot of 30 visits, one individual guy goes to like 10 different teams. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[32:37] You know he's-

Speaker 6:
[32:37] That means there's a lot of questions about the guy.

Speaker 4:
[32:39] I think it's different for this regime. I feel like Belichick used to have guys in for 30 visits to throw people off the scent of what he was actually trying to do. Everything that they would put out there would be some smoke screen about, oh, they had so-and-so in for a 30 visit. AJ Brown comes in for a 30 visit. He's taken pictures of himself in the parking lot at Gillette Stadium, like, hope I'm back in a couple months and they take Nikita.

Speaker 6:
[33:07] Timo did that too, didn't he?

Speaker 4:
[33:08] Yeah, like, that's classic Patriots. With this team, I feel like it might be a little bit different and maybe this is just too much on one draft. But there's a lot of, I think, you know, they put a lot of stock on Mike Vrabel kind of sitting across from the table from the kid and feeling them out, you know, and putting them on the spot and doing the whole Vrabel stare down. And, you know, I think that that's what happens at these visits. So maybe they put a little bit more stock in it because they feel like Vrabel can be a good judge of character of what these guys are like.

Speaker 2:
[33:39] Okay. Tim writes in, did the Rams just draft the Coles Strange?

Speaker 4:
[33:45] No. No.

Speaker 2:
[33:46] No.

Speaker 4:
[33:47] Not anything like that. They drafted it in the Alabama quarterback.

Speaker 6:
[33:49] It's actually the opposite. They drafted the position that is most covered in the draft, as opposed to one of the least covered positions in the draft. Right.

Speaker 3:
[33:58] Right. And you know, to Evan's point, there were a number of teams that probably went, ugh, we thought we'd have a chance at him at the bottom of the first.

Speaker 4:
[34:05] Oh, Ducey.

Speaker 3:
[34:06] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[34:07] Sorry.

Speaker 3:
[34:07] Denzel.

Speaker 4:
[34:09] Sorry, Ducey.

Speaker 3:
[34:09] To the Jets?

Speaker 4:
[34:10] No.

Speaker 3:
[34:11] Oh, to Tampa.

Speaker 4:
[34:12] To the Jets. Oh, not Denzel.

Speaker 3:
[34:14] Oh, no.

Speaker 4:
[34:16] Your other guy.

Speaker 3:
[34:18] The right tackle?

Speaker 4:
[34:19] I don't know who the Bucs took at 15 yet, so I don't want to say who the Jets took at 16. That would be, we're going out of order here, but we're... Oh, Ruben Bain.

Speaker 3:
[34:29] Ruben Bain went to the Bucs.

Speaker 4:
[34:30] The Bucs took Ruben Bain. I'm just really surprised that everybody kind of over thought this with Ruben Bain.

Speaker 6:
[34:38] I was just about to ask you if you thought he was to the point where he's starting to slide. Not that I thought he was going to slide to 31.

Speaker 4:
[34:46] You know, we're probably just early enough that it's not a true slide. This is an Aaron Rodgers, right? It was sliding from potentially 1 to 23 or whatever it was. But the only issue with Ruben Bain's profile, and now I think there was some things maybe in the pre-draft process that came out, about injuries or something like that, I can't remember exactly. But from a player standpoint, the only thing about Ruben Bain's profile that wasn't a top 10 player was that he had short arms. And to me, this is a really good pick for the Bucks. Like, I think he's going to be just fine. And I'm shocked that they over thought, especially in a draft like this, where there's not a lot of blue chip talent. I just thought Ruben Bain was a top 10 player in the class, and we kind of just caught up on short arms.

Speaker 6:
[35:29] The Jets took my guy.

Speaker 4:
[35:31] The Jets took Kenyon Siddiq.

Speaker 3:
[35:33] There it is.

Speaker 6:
[35:34] I don't like that.

Speaker 3:
[35:35] It's funny, though, with some of these guys, you spend various amounts of time, more than others, thinking about these players. And then a guy like Bain goes to the Bucs, and I'm like, all right, I don't really think about him anymore. But then Siddiq goes to the Jets, and you're like, oh, god, now I really got to think about this guy. I mean, just go right to covering tight ends last year. Problem.

Speaker 6:
[35:56] They had the young tight end that played pretty well for them. Why can I not think of his name? Evan, help me.

Speaker 4:
[36:00] They had a young tight end that played pretty well for them. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Jets had anybody that played well for them last year?

Speaker 3:
[36:05] I got you, Paul. I got the, I got the death.

Speaker 4:
[36:08] I don't remember this.

Speaker 3:
[36:09] I got the R lads up.

Speaker 4:
[36:10] Mason Taylor. Did he play well?

Speaker 3:
[36:13] Sorry.

Speaker 4:
[36:14] He played well for them?

Speaker 6:
[36:15] For the Jets?

Speaker 4:
[36:17] Did Mason Taylor did?

Speaker 6:
[36:18] The bar's here.

Speaker 4:
[36:19] I mean, he had 44 for 369. I mean, 369 yards.

Speaker 8:
[36:23] With the single worst quarterback I've ever seen in an NFL game playing.

Speaker 6:
[36:27] That guy who played against the Patriots in that JV game at the end of the year was the single worst quarterback performance I've ever seen.

Speaker 4:
[36:33] I'm just saying that we're going to say that he got. Yeah, this is your thing. He caught him for eight yards.

Speaker 6:
[36:39] I didn't say it was a purple or anything.

Speaker 4:
[36:42] It was okay.

Speaker 6:
[36:42] My God.

Speaker 3:
[36:43] I mean, they did draft a guy in the first round. It clearly was a need.

Speaker 6:
[36:47] That's what I'm saying. I'm a little surprised that they would go to that position because I think they have a number of needs.

Speaker 3:
[36:54] Right.

Speaker 4:
[36:55] Good draft for the Jets, but I feel like I've said that before when they drafted Soss and Garrett Wilson.

Speaker 6:
[37:00] The drafting hasn't been the problem.

Speaker 4:
[37:02] It didn't really matter. But I really think David Bailey and Kenyon Siddique are two of the better players in this class and they got both of them. So that's a good pick. I mean, I don't know who's going to throw him the ball and if it's going to be any good.

Speaker 6:
[37:15] Gino, at least, originally.

Speaker 2:
[37:17] It's amazing, though. The Jets drafting good players doesn't seem to have made a difference.

Speaker 6:
[37:23] Because if you don't have some sort of competence. The irony is, if they had what Gino Smith has been, say, the last five years. Last year, he was terrible. But let's go the last five years. If they had that version of Gino Smith over the last five years, they would have been okay. I don't think they would have been a deep playoff team. But they would have been sniffing the playoffs with the talent that they had with fairly competent quarterback play. Now, Gino Smith was terrible last year, and they get them back. I don't know. Buffalo just scored again.

Speaker 4:
[37:57] Yeah. This is the first player that is off my big board. First guy that we've crossed off. We've got Sadik. So he's off the list. The Jets thing that I think is interesting is the coaching staff. I just don't know who's going to be coaching these guys in two years. They hired Frank Reich as their offensive coordinator. He had a falling out, his last stop. I don't really know how great of a coordinator he is in the 2026. Maybe he was five years ago. Aaron Glenn's situation is also tenuous. The one thing I would say about Sadik is that he is a unique player. You need a plan of how we're going to funnel targets to this guy, and how exactly we're going to use them. And where he's going to line up, and all these different types of things. And hopefully they got a plan for him. Well, hopefully they don't, honestly. But you know.

Speaker 6:
[38:50] I know what you mean. You got to treat them all like they're regular teams.

Speaker 4:
[38:54] That's the thing that I would be worried about for the Jets. I think Sadik is kind of like a chess piece. And you have to sort of have the coaching chops to truly unlock a player like that.

Speaker 1:
[39:05] Fred, we have Alex upstairs again.

Speaker 2:
[39:07] All right, let's go back to the party.

Speaker 4:
[39:10] I just had to do it to stick with my throw.

Speaker 2:
[39:13] There's Alex.

Speaker 4:
[39:14] Can you hear me?

Speaker 2:
[39:14] Okay. You got your beauty shot there. What's going on?

Speaker 10:
[39:18] Do you want to play matchmaker with me? I found some people on a date.

Speaker 2:
[39:25] Was it one of those app dates? Did you meet on an app?

Speaker 4:
[39:28] It would be so mean to bring my-

Speaker 10:
[39:30] Did you guys meet on an app? No. This is an in real life meeting. Hunter here is a season ticket member. This is Elsie, his lovely date. We're going to ask Elsie first, how's it going?

Speaker 11:
[39:43] It's going great. I'm having a great time. I haven't been here since high school when I had prom here. I'm definitely excited to get rid of those memories and replace them with better ones. We went down to the locker room and we're going to go to the lighthouse too.

Speaker 10:
[39:56] Okay, fun. Now, Hunter, did you approach Elsie? How did this happen? Yeah.

Speaker 12:
[40:05] I saw her at a bar.

Speaker 13:
[40:06] She was beautiful, made eye contacts, went by and said, how are you doing?

Speaker 14:
[40:12] You know, how are you doing?

Speaker 6:
[40:14] Play your cards. Shoot your shot.

Speaker 2:
[40:16] He hit it the old-fashioned way.

Speaker 4:
[40:18] Wayne Gretzky, he missed 100 percent of the shots he doesn't take, my friend.

Speaker 10:
[40:21] He's a Patriots fan. You're not a Patriots fan. Is that going to be a problem for you guys going forward in the future?

Speaker 11:
[40:28] I can live with it. Can Hunter though, is the real question.

Speaker 13:
[40:32] We'll see when she goes to her first game how it goes.

Speaker 10:
[40:35] So you're long game here because they've only known each other a month. So you're already like we're going to make it through the summer and get to that home opener?

Speaker 13:
[40:43] I believe so.

Speaker 11:
[40:44] I believe in love. I live in love.

Speaker 10:
[40:47] Wow. Elsie, what do you think about his projection?

Speaker 1:
[40:50] She's getting further and further away.

Speaker 11:
[40:51] I'm a lover girl. He's a lover boy. I'm having a good time and he's having a good time and I don't want to force it, but let it be what it is.

Speaker 4:
[41:00] What fan base is she?

Speaker 10:
[41:02] We might have something here. She's a Lions fan.

Speaker 4:
[41:07] We like the Lions.

Speaker 11:
[41:09] I grew up in Michigan. So I grew up there and then I moved to Massachusetts. Hunter Henry is 10 times better than Sam Laporta.

Speaker 4:
[41:17] All day long, best title in the NFL, Hunter Henry all day long.

Speaker 10:
[41:22] This is their first fight. Do you guys have any questions for our lovebirds up here?

Speaker 2:
[41:28] All right. Well, good stuff. Love is in the air. All right.

Speaker 6:
[41:32] Thanks, Alex.

Speaker 10:
[41:32] Love is in the air for sure.

Speaker 2:
[41:34] All right. We'll talk to you a little bit. Good luck, you two lovers.

Speaker 6:
[41:38] Awesome.

Speaker 4:
[41:39] I feel like I did not bring Jess on a date to the draft party, but that is so something I would do if I didn't work.

Speaker 3:
[41:46] Unless you know she's the one, right?

Speaker 6:
[41:48] Get an interview and just say, just looked across the bar and she's beautiful. Shoot your shot, playa.

Speaker 2:
[41:53] He's really aggressive. This guy, he's looking for love. All right.

Speaker 3:
[41:57] Well, I'd say I love that he did it the old-fashioned way. It wasn't on the apps. I will also say, and Alex, girls love playing matchmaker. My wife, girls love it. They're like, oh my God, you're single, I have to find a guy for you. They live off of it. So I could get job Alex tracking those people. I wonder how she did that.

Speaker 4:
[42:14] The old-fashioned way is so rare. I don't know anybody in our friend circle that.

Speaker 3:
[42:20] The younger generation don't know the fortitude you have to find to walk up to a girl and be like, hey, do you want to go out sometime?

Speaker 4:
[42:28] You're missing why that doesn't happen. That doesn't happen anymore because you might be a serial killer. People like to vet people before they just randomly go home with them.

Speaker 2:
[42:40] You can do no better than on an app.

Speaker 6:
[42:41] I'm really interested with that line of thought. There's more of a chance of having a serial killer that you actually meet and see somewhere as opposed to online.

Speaker 4:
[42:50] Where you can be anybody you want.

Speaker 6:
[42:52] That you swipe right.

Speaker 2:
[42:53] Right.

Speaker 4:
[42:54] Exactly.

Speaker 6:
[42:55] I have a hard time with that.

Speaker 4:
[42:58] I mean, you spend, not to go into the whole sausage thing here, how the sausage is made, but you probably spend at least a week, maybe even two, texting and talking to that person and getting a feel of it.

Speaker 2:
[43:12] If you're a psycho, you can do that really well.

Speaker 4:
[43:14] I understand, but the idea, that's a lot of...

Speaker 2:
[43:18] Ask Mithai Teo how that works.

Speaker 3:
[43:20] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[43:20] I don't want to speak for girls, but I feel like it's more about they feel uncomfortable with just meeting someone and a person.

Speaker 3:
[43:30] Hello.

Speaker 4:
[43:31] That's my read.

Speaker 2:
[43:32] More comfortable with...

Speaker 3:
[43:34] I am a person, I would like to talk to you. Come on. But the texting thing is what gets me, because that's just cheating. You just have to call them on the phone, and you're like, oh, God, are they going to pick up? I remember one time I got a girl's number, and I called her, and I got her answering machine, and I went through this whole debate of like, do you leave a message?

Speaker 2:
[43:51] I can just imagine the conversation going on in your head.

Speaker 7:
[43:56] The overthought, the overthought.

Speaker 2:
[43:57] You leave a message, and by the time you figure it out, it's like you've lost its beat, and you can't leave the message anymore.

Speaker 3:
[44:02] That movie, Swingers, does a great bit, where he keeps calling back, and then she picks up, she goes, don't ever call me again.

Speaker 4:
[44:08] So what was her name?

Speaker 6:
[44:11] Elsie.

Speaker 4:
[44:12] Elsie? Detroit Lions fan, her Detroit Lions took Blake Miller at the 17th pick, so we can all pass him off the list. I felt like the one thing that was challenging Blake Miller so much to make it to the Patriots at 31, 54 starts in college, never missed a game.

Speaker 6:
[44:31] Plug and play guy for a team that needs some lightning, right?

Speaker 4:
[44:34] True freshman on, there were things that were written about him where people said, I'm not sure he missed a practice at Clemson, let alone a game. Just that durability, that experience, but still being a younger prospect at 22 years old, it just felt like it's too much of a fairway pick. We talked earlier about singles and doubles, it just felt too good to be true that a player that polished and that ready.

Speaker 6:
[45:02] There may even be an RBI single. That might be a little bit more than just a single. I just think for the Lions, their strength has been the offensive line for a while. The only thing is with Penisul on the right side.

Speaker 4:
[45:18] Dan Campbell has said that he wants to switch Penisul to the left this year, and they've had those conversations.

Speaker 6:
[45:24] That makes some sense then.

Speaker 4:
[45:26] Tristan Warfst did the same thing in Tampa Bay and had no problem with it. He's now an All-Pro on the left side. It's been done with that caliber of player. It's a little bit easier.

Speaker 6:
[45:36] So that's four now, right? That's four tackles?

Speaker 4:
[45:39] Proctor, Lomu, Manoa, I guess is how we say that. You're nailing it. And Blake Miller. So if you count Fanoa as a tackle, then yeah.

Speaker 3:
[45:49] Yeah, they're saying Manoa, Judy Bautista reporting that Manoa will play guard initially.

Speaker 4:
[45:54] Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. He's like a wide-bodied guy, thick lowers, like big, big, big trunk, as we like to call it. Actually free-laying, big, posterior, big lower body.

Speaker 2:
[46:06] Getting back to the couple at the party.

Speaker 4:
[46:09] More importantly.

Speaker 2:
[46:09] I thought it was really an unnecessary chirp to go after the tight end for Detroit.

Speaker 3:
[46:14] Well, you know, it's like, yeah, they're feeling it out. It's kind of like play-doh season. It was hard.

Speaker 2:
[46:18] He loves her already after one month and thinks they're going to make it, and then he's chirping her. I know. You don't need to do that.

Speaker 3:
[46:24] Some couples have that little back and forth, I think, maybe.

Speaker 2:
[46:27] You kind of have to establish that before you do it.

Speaker 3:
[46:29] She should have been like, shut up.

Speaker 2:
[46:31] She should have been like, I don't think she.

Speaker 3:
[46:32] Six years younger than Henry right now.

Speaker 6:
[46:36] I texted my brother, I tried to get a synopsis of the Bruins game. Obviously, you know the score and how it went.

Speaker 4:
[46:41] I had a side add of mine.

Speaker 6:
[46:42] I was interested, what did you think of it? That I really didn't watch, and I'm like, what a loser. You're watching the draft? You loser.

Speaker 4:
[46:48] He's watching this show.

Speaker 6:
[46:49] You know he's not watching us.

Speaker 4:
[46:50] I would ask Jess, but they lost, and I don't think that's a good conversation. I'm just going to let it be.

Speaker 6:
[46:56] I could ask Beth, and she'd say, well, they just kept shooting and not hitting the net.

Speaker 4:
[47:01] I'm like, thanks, I'm not going to get hit. I'm sure she's already upset.

Speaker 3:
[47:05] This is my guess. It's a 2-1 playoff game. These are two teams, don't have a lot of talent. One team got, I look like Swain was screened on that second one.

Speaker 6:
[47:13] Yeah, you thought that the Bruins goal was a terrible goal.

Speaker 4:
[47:18] But he only went up one, so we'll be in the house on Sunday, so we'll get that series tied up.

Speaker 3:
[47:25] There we go. Oh, nice. You're going to play out there. That's great. That's fun.

Speaker 4:
[47:28] Great. We went to, now we're getting off track, but one of the best sporting events, honestly, that I've ever been to, into Game 7 against Toronto a couple of years ago, and they won in overtime, and Pasta scored right on the goal that we were sitting behind in overtime to win the series in Game 7. That was as loud as I've ever heard the garden. I mean, it was really loud.

Speaker 3:
[47:48] Just a quick update, we are halfway through the first round now here at 9.50. So it looks like we're going by midnight tonight.

Speaker 6:
[47:54] A funny thing happened on the way to that Celtics-Nichs second round matchup. Atlanta up two games to one.

Speaker 4:
[48:00] Atlanta won?

Speaker 6:
[48:01] Yeah. Hell yes.

Speaker 4:
[48:03] I do not want to. 109-108.

Speaker 2:
[48:04] Celtics aren't getting out of this round anyway.

Speaker 4:
[48:06] Oh, stop it.

Speaker 6:
[48:06] The Sixers round?

Speaker 4:
[48:07] Please don't do this to me tonight. I really want nothing to do with the Knicks. I don't want to play the Knicks again.

Speaker 6:
[48:13] I talked to you today on Terrestrial Radio.

Speaker 4:
[48:15] I don't want it. Joe, I saw, I wanted to know how did that go?

Speaker 6:
[48:20] I was on my best behavior because I didn't want to end up going viral for him yelling at me about something that I didn't want to do. Blake Miller, do we miss the Blake Miller?

Speaker 2:
[48:27] No, we talked about Blake Miller.

Speaker 4:
[48:29] We can talk about that off the air. I want more information on that. The Vikings picked at 18 as well. They took Caleb Banks, defensive tackle from Florida.

Speaker 2:
[48:40] Here we go.

Speaker 4:
[48:41] Caleb Banks is one of those guys that I think is a little bit misunderstood in this draft. Very high level pass rusher, but built like a run stuffer. But I actually think right now he's a better pass rusher than he is a run stuffer. He's one of those guys, too, that if you just watched his highlights, not the actual game, but just the highlights, you'd be like, oh my god, this guy's a top 10 pick, right? But then you peel back the layers of the onion and you're like, okay, there's some work to do against the run, he has a consistent foot injury that he's been dealing with on and off for the last two years. He actually broke a bone in his foot the night before his workout at the combine. Did part of his workout at the combine was like, my foot doesn't feel right, and found out at the combine that he broke his foot. So he's got some weird things going on with him.

Speaker 2:
[49:31] But according to Bruegel, it's a little bit of a reach.

Speaker 6:
[49:34] Yeah, it's by far the biggest reach.

Speaker 4:
[49:35] I would say a little bit. If he's on though, if his game is on, then he's going to be worth the pick. But it's a little bit of a projection of whether or not it's all going to come together for him.

Speaker 3:
[49:47] Brian Flores, throw him in that defense.

Speaker 2:
[49:50] B-Flo, B-Flo. Let's see, Chad from Atlanta writes in, how serious should we take the Kyle Pitch trade talk? I really like him and feel his talent has been wasted in Atlanta and I think a change of scenery would benefit him and the Patriots. I know we say this every year, but if they did trade for him, I could see Josh going back to that double tight end look like Gronk and Hernandez. They just need to grab the other piece of that puzzle. Eli Stowers.

Speaker 4:
[50:18] I don't know.

Speaker 3:
[50:19] It's some random account reported that. I haven't seen it from anybody that I would trust.

Speaker 4:
[50:23] I would not put to the Patriots? No, just on the trade block in general.

Speaker 6:
[50:27] No, I've seen Kyle Pitts on the trade block, but I'm talking about tying him directly to the Patriots.

Speaker 3:
[50:32] The one I saw was the Patriots. But it was a random person.

Speaker 2:
[50:34] Tied to the Patriots.

Speaker 6:
[50:35] I personally don't love Kyle Pitts. I think he's been a tremendous letdown in his career.

Speaker 4:
[50:40] But where he was drafted is-

Speaker 6:
[50:41] Well, yeah, but he was talked about like Sadiq. Like a freak. Yeah, and probably higher than Sadiq for sure.

Speaker 4:
[50:46] He was talked about by-

Speaker 6:
[50:48] I just don't think he's panned out and people blame it on everything else in Atlanta and I watched him here last year. I didn't see a lot of compete in him. I haven't been impressed with him.

Speaker 4:
[51:00] I think Kyle Pitts to me is a slot receiver.

Speaker 6:
[51:03] The numbers aren't bad. I just don't think the play is as good as the numbers look.

Speaker 4:
[51:07] Yeah, Kyle Pitts is a slot receiver. He's a mismatch though. That size and that athleticism, he's got mismatch potential. Pairing him with Stowers is like the Spider-Man meme. We're just staring at each other where we look exactly the same. If you're going to pair Kyle Pitts with somebody, you want to pair him with a true inline blocker. You want somebody that's going to put his hand in the dirt and kick out the nine technique. Right, Paul? You don't want somebody that's going to go in the slot.

Speaker 6:
[51:34] Well done.

Speaker 4:
[51:35] You don't want that. You want somebody like Julian Hill, honestly, who would be able to block for him, and Kyle Pitts can just go out there and catch passes. I would be excited about it just because of Josh McDaniels. I think McDaniels would know how to use the mismatch element of Kyle Pitts' game really, really well. But I don't think he's going to get moved.

Speaker 2:
[51:56] David New Hampshire has a trade idea, and I don't know what to make of this.

Speaker 4:
[51:59] The Panthers made their pick, by the way.

Speaker 2:
[52:02] We'll wait for that for a second. What if the Patriots traded 31 for the Eagles 2027 first round pick? In June, we trade that pick back to them for AJ Brown. This would solve the issue of not wanting to give up a 27 capital. Philly gets a first rounder, and it also commits Philly to following through in June.

Speaker 4:
[52:21] We're trading 31 this year for their first in 2027. So you have an extra one in 2027 to then trade it back to Philly for AJ Brown.

Speaker 2:
[52:31] Right.

Speaker 4:
[52:31] That sounds like a plot of drafting. But that aside, I love it. We're going to trade the picks. Oh, actually, we're going to trade them back, right?

Speaker 3:
[52:43] I don't want to give up a first round pick for AJ Brown.

Speaker 6:
[52:45] I mean, I think everybody just traded up to 20.

Speaker 3:
[52:50] David Boston.

Speaker 4:
[52:51] So the Panthers took Monroe Freeling tackle from Georgia. Oh, boy. One year started, not a guy that's played a lot of college football, but uber talented.

Speaker 6:
[53:04] I do like him.

Speaker 4:
[53:06] I think Colton Miller played a little bit more in college than Freeling did, but they remind me of each other. Extremely athletic. People really like that at his age. He's a younger player. He's got a ton of upside. He just hasn't played a ton, but his tape last year got better and better and better as the season wore on. I turned on his tape early on in the process back in February and was like, forget about this guy. This guy's not making it to 31. Those kind of measurables, that athletic profile, cross them off the list. 19 sounds about right. Now, Paul, our total tackle tally is up to five. I think Ianachor and Caleb Lomu are the only two that are left, which is what everybody thought. They thought they would be the last two standing. It's not looking great.

Speaker 3:
[53:52] No, it's not.

Speaker 6:
[53:53] It's not. Dane had Lomu at 25 and Ahanachor at 33.

Speaker 4:
[54:01] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[54:03] They're going to get pushed up now because the tackles have been expended.

Speaker 6:
[54:08] Let's see. Blake Millery had at 29, so that's probably a little higher than he had them, but the other guys, 19, Kaling, 17.

Speaker 2:
[54:17] To be fair, that's his rated guys. That's not his mock draft.

Speaker 6:
[54:22] No, no, no.

Speaker 2:
[54:22] That's not where he thought they were going to take it.

Speaker 6:
[54:24] But that's value. Like when someone assigns a value to you. Again, just because we all think that he does it really well, doesn't mean he's the Bible.

Speaker 2:
[54:31] No, I know.

Speaker 6:
[54:32] He's not like Joe Bushbaum back in the day.

Speaker 2:
[54:34] Remember, Rich Gossett.

Speaker 3:
[54:37] The Eagles have selected a wide receiver. Mackay Lemon.

Speaker 4:
[54:41] Mackay Lemon at 20.

Speaker 6:
[54:43] Julian Edelman.

Speaker 4:
[54:43] This is a lot lower. Mackay Lemon, I don't know if we'd call this a sly, but I thought this was the back end of his range. I thought he was a guy that was going to go in the teens. He gets a lot of Amon Ross St. Brown comparisons.

Speaker 6:
[54:57] I didn't see that.

Speaker 4:
[54:58] A smaller receiver, but-

Speaker 6:
[55:00] USC.

Speaker 4:
[55:01] Great separation ability for that size, great toughness, gritty player, very productive at USC last year. I love Mackay Lemon. He's one of my favorite players in the draft. He's just got that dog in him.

Speaker 6:
[55:15] I saw a lot of Edelman comps to him too, just with his toughness and his grit and none of that stuff. But St. Brown, obviously, that's good too. He did something with you guys at the combat.

Speaker 3:
[55:28] He got up there and he was staring at the camera and he looked like he was hitting on you.

Speaker 6:
[55:32] I knew there was a thing. You guys came back.

Speaker 3:
[55:34] It was literally intense. We talked about it. It was.

Speaker 4:
[55:37] This is a pick by the Eagles. The Eagles just took a wide receiver.

Speaker 3:
[55:41] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[55:42] Right.

Speaker 6:
[55:42] No, no, no. There can't be any clearer that AJ Brown's not going to go to 26 Eagles.

Speaker 4:
[55:46] Can we just drive AJ Brown to the airport?

Speaker 2:
[55:49] Who did the Eagles take?

Speaker 4:
[55:50] They took Mikhail Lemon. They took a receiver. They have traded for Dottavion Wicks. They've signed Hollywood Brown. They've signed Elijah Moore. They have now drafted Mikhail Lemon.

Speaker 6:
[56:00] They've acquired so many receivers that they're probably not all going to make the team.

Speaker 4:
[56:03] Yeah. I don't know how much more we have to do to make AJ Brown. This is happening. The AJ Brown is being traded.

Speaker 2:
[56:13] The deal is consummated. Because right now, if the deal wasn't gentleman's agreement, if you're the Patriots, well, now we got them. They have to get rid of them.

Speaker 3:
[56:24] Well, that's my whole thing, Fred, through this whole thing. It's like leverage and it's just the Patriots, are they going to be forced because they know, the Eagles know how much the Patriots want them, that we're just going to wait until you have to give us a first. This to me may give the Patriots a little bit more.

Speaker 2:
[56:38] To me, it says that they've got a deal.

Speaker 6:
[56:40] See, the leverage could go the other way though. The Patriots don't take a receiver like they've already banked on their making this trade for AJ. Brown. Now, I think you're probably right, Fred. Like everybody's been saying for months, well, at least six weeks or so, that they probably have a gentleman's agreement trade already in the works. And they know what it's going to be. They're just waiting for June 1st.

Speaker 3:
[57:02] Like a hypothetical, though. Let's just say the Patriots love my guy, Denzel Bosson, and they don't think he's going to be there, but now he is there. And now they take him. Is that all of a sudden, the Eagles are like, we got to find another partner now?

Speaker 6:
[57:14] That would get the Patriots leverage if they still wanted to trade for AJ. Brown. Now I don't have to make this trade, Howie. I got my guy.

Speaker 2:
[57:23] Yeah, but if you have the agreement, you can't screw another team like that.

Speaker 4:
[57:26] But if they don't have his word? What do you say?

Speaker 3:
[57:28] You're like, we didn't think he was going to be there.

Speaker 2:
[57:30] No, but if you have the agreement, you don't want to, because you never know how that might come back to you.

Speaker 6:
[57:34] I don't trust. I'm with Evan. I think Howie Roseman would do it to spite.

Speaker 2:
[57:38] You think so?

Speaker 6:
[57:39] Yeah. Now, if they have an agreement already in place, that's different.

Speaker 2:
[57:45] Russell in Florida wants to know, do you think a trade with Cleveland is in play? They clearly are wanting to acquire more picks, plus we could jump Buffalo and Miami.

Speaker 3:
[57:55] Coming up here in a second? I don't know who you're trading up for now.

Speaker 4:
[58:00] Yeah, Sadik, maybe one of the tackles, just like if you want to get Ionachor or Lomu.

Speaker 6:
[58:05] I can't tell you how upset that would make me. Not only are we trading for a project tackle, but we're trading up to do it?

Speaker 4:
[58:11] Yeah, that's how I feel about that.

Speaker 2:
[58:13] Paul's mad, but he hasn't even done it yet.

Speaker 4:
[58:15] I thought he was talking about trading down with the Browns at 39. That's true.

Speaker 6:
[58:23] I screwed that all up.

Speaker 4:
[58:25] They also are picking again here in the 20s, so I didn't know which way he was talking about. With the Browns going down to the Patriots would probably want to go down to 39.

Speaker 6:
[58:33] I thought we were talking about up, so maybe I missed that.

Speaker 4:
[58:35] We might have been, but I don't know what the Browns are coming up for if we're talking about them trading up for something with 31. I actually would be pretty surprised that the Patriots can trade out at this point now that Ty Simpson went as high as he did. What's left to really want to trade up for, unless you're really desperate for one of those two tackles maybe.

Speaker 6:
[58:57] It kind of seemed that way. The only object of trading up desire is a quarterback. He's gone.

Speaker 3:
[59:05] Could you say maybe Concepcion maybe? That's the only guy left that I feel like gotta have him. Unless you love...

Speaker 4:
[59:11] The only thing is the tackles. There's two more tackles. After that, the tackle...

Speaker 6:
[59:16] One of which is not gonna be able to play right away.

Speaker 4:
[59:18] But the tackle cliff is...

Speaker 6:
[59:20] And the other one you don't like.

Speaker 4:
[59:21] We are pushing it off the cliff after that. But we are pushing it off the cliff at that point. So if you are one of these teams that's like, we need to get a starting caliber tackle, even if it's not right away, the guy has traits to be a starter. This is it. This is the run. So if that's what you're looking for, then maybe that would entice a team to trade back up. But if that tackle... If Iannachor is still sitting there at 31, I'd be pretty surprised if the Patriots passed. So if that's, you know, are you...

Speaker 2:
[59:50] All because Braybo laid hands up. Yes.

Speaker 4:
[59:53] Yeah. I don't think that...

Speaker 2:
[59:55] Sam and Marilyn writes in, Draft Show Fred in full form. The guys are discussing the Eagles selecting wide receiver Lemon for several minutes. And Fred says, wait, who was drafted? Wayne says, we've been lied to. I cannot believe y'all lied to us about, you're the kids of the podcast. Who said that? The four of you look like you went to high school together. Four old dads around a barbecue. Wow, Evan getting lumped into four old dads.

Speaker 4:
[60:21] We consider Dussault a part of the kids. Yeah. The kids are me, Alex, Matisse, Chris Cassidy.

Speaker 2:
[60:28] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[60:28] And then usually we can-

Speaker 6:
[60:30] It's when you and I came to the show, they call it the kids.

Speaker 4:
[60:32] Well, usually we just can-

Speaker 2:
[60:34] Fair enough, the age level goes way down.

Speaker 4:
[60:36] Dussault is like the Funkle, right?

Speaker 6:
[60:37] Not as far down as you think with Mike.

Speaker 2:
[60:38] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[60:39] Funkle. I like that. I'm not one of the kids, especially after the birthday I celebrated last week. I'm definitely not kidding.

Speaker 2:
[60:43] He has that salt and pepper hair. He looks like he's 50.

Speaker 3:
[60:46] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[60:47] The gray hair might be white. But Dussault is the Funkle. The Funkle. We're the kids. The parents are gone for the weekend, but we invite the uncle over because he's cool. Right.

Speaker 3:
[60:56] Well, Chris Cassidy is like the kid. I feel like he's the only one of us who legitimately feels like a kid.

Speaker 4:
[61:00] Chris Cassidy was born, I believe, after the Patriots won their first Super Bowl. He was not alive for Super Bowl 36 or pretty close to it, if not.

Speaker 2:
[61:08] Barton Pollan, not going to lie, I love the Dolphins pick. I know it's helmet scouting, but the latest history of their tackles getting taken is rough. JC. Latham, Evan Neal, Alex Leatherwood, Jedrick Wills, Jonah Williams, also very happy that Bain didn't go to an AACC.

Speaker 4:
[61:22] Half those guys weren't taken by the Dolphins.

Speaker 6:
[61:25] Those are giants, aren't they?

Speaker 4:
[61:26] JC. Latham is a Titan. He was drafted by the Titans.

Speaker 6:
[61:30] I don't understand.

Speaker 3:
[61:31] That's not Fred's fault.

Speaker 6:
[61:32] Oh, and Leatherwood was the Raiders, right?

Speaker 4:
[61:34] Yeah, Leatherwood was the Raiders pick.

Speaker 2:
[61:35] So what's he talking about?

Speaker 4:
[61:36] I don't know, maybe their regime? No, because that guy was in Green Bay.

Speaker 6:
[61:40] I miss something.

Speaker 3:
[61:41] It's just funny, though, the number of tweets now that are just like, AJ Brown, you are a Patriot.

Speaker 4:
[61:44] I mean, yeah, it's just, I don't know how much more you have.

Speaker 3:
[61:48] I mean, can I have a little fun with that for a second? That's going to be pretty cool if he does end up here. That's just, I know there's some concerns and stuff.

Speaker 6:
[61:55] You've gotten on board.

Speaker 3:
[61:55] You know I always like AJ Brown.

Speaker 4:
[61:57] You always like, you keep calling him Antonio.

Speaker 6:
[62:00] There's nothing more prevalent than Mike Dussault's utter disdain for the diva number one X.

Speaker 3:
[62:07] He's my diva, though.

Speaker 9:
[62:08] This is the one that I make it expensive.

Speaker 4:
[62:10] I hate it.

Speaker 6:
[62:10] Does everyone, do we have to have that? This is two years in a row that suddenly Mike is embracing it.

Speaker 3:
[62:15] Well, all right, last year was hard for me. Last year was such a heel turn I had to make, but I liked making it because I thought they'd say great. But AJ Brown has always been a guy that I loved. And if this was T. Higgins, I might not be quite as excited. But I've always just loved AJ Brown. He's my kind of guy. I love, you know, big physical catch and run kind of guy.

Speaker 2:
[62:32] You're gonna see a lot of AJ Brown, I think.

Speaker 8:
[62:33] Yeah.

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Speaker 1:
[66:11] Welcome back to the 2026 Patriots unfiltered draft show. The New England Patriots like presented by Toyota's official website for deals by a toyota.com.

Speaker 2:
[66:24] All right, back here on the Patriots Unfiltered Draft Extravaganza. We'll be here until the end of the first round. It's Fred Kirsch, Paul Perillo, Evan Lazar, Mike Dussault, and the Steelers just picked the guy that Vrabel worked out. Yeah, one-on-one. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[66:43] Maxianichor.

Speaker 2:
[66:44] A lot of people thought the Patriots might take him.

Speaker 4:
[66:46] I think he was probably, throughout the entire process, the most popular mock drafted player for the Patriots at 31, Maxianichor. So if we were all right, all the prognosticators, all the media was correct that they really liked this kid, then obviously a guy that they probably had pretty high on their board. He's got some development to do. He's late to football. He moved to the United States at 13 years old from Nigeria and didn't start playing football until Juco, actually. He was an AAU basketball player, really good basketball player, and his AAU coach said, hey, have you ever heard of American football? And he was like, no, what the heck is that? And so he ended up playing, you know, Juco for a couple of years. And then he obviously ended up at Arizona State. The tape that got him drafted in the first round was against Texas Tech. He kind of shut down David Bailey in that game. And that really put him on the radar for everybody as a potential first round prospect. And his pre-draft process, that classic riser, like that arrow just went up and up and up and up, you know, senior bowl, top competition games last year, combine, you know, great workout at the combine. And people were just, you know, he just skyrocketed all the way up to 21, 20, 20.

Speaker 3:
[68:05] It just shows you how the league values tackles. I mean, and you know, the people who are like, that would be crazy to take a tackle, right? You know, down to the bottom. This is it. I mean, these guys are going to go, and you got a chance at one, you got to take one. If one had fallen to the Patriots, they would have been lucky.

Speaker 6:
[68:18] So now we get to the whole tackle crunch. And do you have to trade up to get? I know Evan probably wouldn't be in favor of that. Do you have to trade up? There's only one really left, one first round projection tackle left in Lomu. Do you have to trade up to get them? And do you want to do that?

Speaker 3:
[68:34] I don't think I do, unless they love them. I don't know if they do at this point. I don't know how many more trade ups there are gonna be.

Speaker 6:
[68:42] That's a big gap to try to have a guy fall 10 more picks.

Speaker 3:
[68:45] From my eye, it's like they're all kinda the same right now. So you're gonna give up more draft capital to go up and get a guy that maybe you're unsure of just because you need the position.

Speaker 1:
[68:55] That sounds like losing to me.

Speaker 2:
[68:57] I think you're missing it. If you're moving up, you're not unsure of them. You're sure, in your draft room, you're sure of them.

Speaker 4:
[69:04] Yeah, to me, I think the things with Lomu, I still think he's a developmental player. I still think he's got work to do, similar to Ionachor. I don't know if I'm thinking that he's gonna start right out of the shoot. He probably doesn't have to here, so maybe you have that luxury. But what I really was questioning with him is just his grit and his finishing ability and his power in the run game. They ran an offense at Utah that was a little gimmicky, a little ecology. There was a lot of misdirection and motion in the backfield and a lot of eye candy and triple option stuff. It just wasn't an NFL pro style offense. So I think there's a lot of development in there. And then another guy off the board for the Patriots here with the Mesonor.

Speaker 3:
[69:48] He can barely hug his own arm.

Speaker 2:
[69:48] Another edge guy, Brian.

Speaker 3:
[69:51] He's 35 years old.

Speaker 4:
[69:53] No, he's 25 years older and he's had an injury history. But when you watch the two guys at Miami, Ruben Bain and Nakeem Mesadour, it was kind of hard to figure out which one was which.

Speaker 6:
[70:06] That's why they were in the National Championship.

Speaker 3:
[70:07] I kind of like Mesadour a little more.

Speaker 6:
[70:10] I'm opposite of you, but I like both of these guys a lot. That's why they were there. They were dominant.

Speaker 4:
[70:15] Yeah, I'm telling you. I mean, when you watch the tape of that Miami defense, you had to make a point to be like, wait, which one's Mesadour and which one's Bain? Because Mesadour would show up on the film just as much as Bain would. He's got inside out ability.

Speaker 8:
[70:30] Just to let people know, these highlights, they're showing that three is Mesadour, four is Bain, and both of the quarterback every play.

Speaker 4:
[70:36] Yeah, he's a monster. What I liked so much about him was just his downhill till. As soon as he was off the ball, he was shot like a cannon, great speed to power conversion and physicality off the ball. He has some inside out flexibility. I do think you can move him inside at the three technique and rush him over the guard on third down. He's a fun, fun player. Literally the only thing against him is that he's 25, which is not a little thing, but there was nothing wrong with the tape. The tape was great.

Speaker 3:
[71:05] He seemed like a variable guy to me, and I didn't even care about the age. If he had fallen to 31, I would not have been opposed to that. I didn't think he was going to, but he jumped out to me too.

Speaker 2:
[71:14] That was the 22nd pick. Dallas is on the clock.

Speaker 3:
[71:17] We pick up the pace a little bit. It seems like it's moving a little way here.

Speaker 2:
[71:20] You ought to commercial. They have to catch up. Not the right commercial again. But yeah, the Cowboys are on the clock with 23, so we're getting closer to 31. We are. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[71:32] I just echo Evan's point. Can they trade out? Is there an offer to trade out? Is there anyone worth trading up from another team? Another team loves a guy like you said, Fred.

Speaker 4:
[71:43] I don't know.

Speaker 3:
[71:43] I mean, you loved Emanuel McNeil Warren.

Speaker 4:
[71:45] Yeah, both safeties are still there. Both safeties are still there. Dylan Thyneman and McNeil Warren. This is, I think we're in a little bit of slide territory right now with Thyneman. I thought he would be in the 10 to 20 range and he got out of the top 20, so he's in that category. Then when you get down to it though, I think we're starting to get to the group that we sort of expected. Denzel Boston.

Speaker 2:
[72:08] I was just going to ask, are you surprised that only three wide receivers have gone so far?

Speaker 4:
[72:13] No, and I actually thought Lemmon went a little bit late. But Denzel Boston, Casey Concepcion, Caden McDonald, Cassius Howell, Zion Young, these are the guys that we all, we've talked about for four months. This is the group, and that's where we're at.

Speaker 6:
[72:29] Would you guys be at all interested in sort of a different outside the box position, like a McCoy, a corner, something like that, just in terms of maybe the value being? You know, I know he's got some...

Speaker 4:
[72:40] He has, so he didn't play at all last year.

Speaker 6:
[72:43] No, I know the story, but I don't, like, is he good enough that you're like, he's like, I can't, like, this guy's too good.

Speaker 3:
[72:50] Yeah, I know, that's...

Speaker 4:
[72:51] No, I worry a lot about the story with him. So he had a ACL at the end of 2024, and he couldn't get back on the field for 2025 at any point. So he didn't play a single game last year at Tennessee in 2025. Then throughout the process, they found out that he had like some... He had like a filling in his kneecap or something like that, like some sort of knee thing. And like... Cavity? Yeah. And no, like they plugged it. They plugged it in his knee. And then they found out that that's also no good. So his knee is like not...

Speaker 6:
[73:28] So you're not buying the reports that he's 100% ready to go?

Speaker 4:
[73:32] He had a workout for teams, but he just ran on air. And it wasn't actually in any sort of football setting. I just think that there is real degenerative knee issues with them.

Speaker 6:
[73:45] It could be.

Speaker 4:
[73:45] And I feel bad about that.

Speaker 6:
[73:46] The other guy I would just... From that perspective, it's my favorite prospect of the draft because I know nothing about him. But I happened to just walk in to the bullpen one day and Evan's watching tape. And he's got some random safety from Toledo up there. It's a real hard guy. And I'm just like, what are you doing? I just looked it up and I started yelling at him.

Speaker 4:
[74:08] What a stud.

Speaker 9:
[74:09] But is there another guy?

Speaker 6:
[74:11] Is there an argument to be made? We don't really need this.

Speaker 4:
[74:13] Yeah, absolutely. I think there's absolutely an argument to be made for him. He might be the best player available. He's a little bit different than the safeties that they have on the roster right now when you think of Bayard and Craig Woodson. You think of guys that want to play more in the deep part of the field.

Speaker 3:
[74:28] DJ's number one.

Speaker 4:
[74:29] Ball hawking ability. He has a little bit of that. But I think that he's going to be Nick Ammon-Warri 2.0. I think he's going to be a guy that's going to play closer to the line of scrimmage, down in the slot, down in the box, roving at the second level of the defense. He's a really fun player. He has some range and he's got length and he's got open tackling, field tackling ability. I mean, I just did. I could gush about him. He's a really, really good player. If they picked him, I wouldn't be that surprised. We've talked a lot about the fact that Kevin Byard is long in the tooth. That's a short time, not a long time proposition with him. I think that McNeil Warren is a little bit different, that he could play as a rookie in a specialized role, and then maybe take over for Byard in 2027 if they don't want to keep the thing going with Byard.

Speaker 3:
[75:19] We got Dallas going with another player on defense. This is a little bit, not a total surprise.

Speaker 4:
[75:25] No, yeah, Malachi Lawrence, you know, he was another guy that just has skyrocketed through the pre-draft process. He had a great combine workout. You dig into his film a little bit more, you see some skill, you see some nuance to his pass rush. You obviously see athleticism, twitch, range. You know, another guy has got great closing speed and burst to the quarterback and to the ball in general. You know, maybe not the most sturdy run defender. I think he's got to work on that a little bit. But you know, they say it on NFL Network. The potential in the upside with him is what everybody loves. He's got immense potential out of this group, the Howells, the Parkers, the Youngs. A lot of people thought that he had the highest ceiling out of all those players. You know, we'll see if he hits it. But he's a fun player to watch.

Speaker 2:
[76:15] Okay. So that was the Cowboys. Cleveland is up next with the 24th pick. We are moving a little bit here.

Speaker 4:
[76:22] The Browns pick is in as well.

Speaker 2:
[76:24] Oh, who are they picked?

Speaker 4:
[76:25] Sorry, Fred. Casey Concepcion goes to Cleveland.

Speaker 2:
[76:30] Oh, man. Oh, well.

Speaker 4:
[76:34] I never bought. There was a lot of rumors, recent rumors this week that Casey Concepcion might fall out of the first round. I never bought it. I didn't see it. I was like, this guy's way too talented, way too good of a separator, way too explosive. There's just those types of guys that have that trifecta of separation ability, explosiveness with the ball in their hands, and big playability. Those guys don't last very long. Then he did it at a really big school and gets a great competition.

Speaker 2:
[77:03] So Paul, your guy's still there.

Speaker 4:
[77:05] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[77:05] Cassius Howard.

Speaker 4:
[77:06] Howell.

Speaker 2:
[77:07] Howell. Duce is your person?

Speaker 3:
[77:10] Yeah, Boston. Well, who did I say? Duce's got Blake Miller's long gone. But that was, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[77:16] We're talking about Sadiq?

Speaker 3:
[77:17] No, it was Blake.

Speaker 4:
[77:18] Blake Miller, yeah.

Speaker 6:
[77:19] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[77:22] But your guy's gone too, right, Evan?

Speaker 6:
[77:24] Well, Evan just wanted to trade down.

Speaker 2:
[77:25] Oh, you're looking for a trade down.

Speaker 3:
[77:27] I might be on the table right now.

Speaker 6:
[77:28] But I think he feels to pound the table for anybody in this draft.

Speaker 2:
[77:31] So Paul still has his guy. So he gets more points if his guy goes, we get to re-pick.

Speaker 3:
[77:37] Okay. What do you want? I'll take Caden McDonald, Ohio State defensive tackle.

Speaker 2:
[77:44] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[77:46] Because I think some of these guys are going to go.

Speaker 6:
[77:48] But for me right now, it's all in the category of too good of a player to pass up.

Speaker 3:
[77:54] Plug right in, right in the rotation. I don't think Boston is on the table anymore.

Speaker 4:
[77:58] He's an interior run stuffer. He's not going to bring much in the pass rush. But the one thing I do like about McDonald's is that he's at least complimentary to Milton Williams and Christian Barmore. Similarly to how Tonga was complimentary last year where there's a role for him. You can see 40 percent of the snaps, the Tonga role that Tonga played last year, it unlocks Milton Williams to just hunt the football and penetrate in the backfield. It doesn't force Barmore to play the nose, which I don't really think is his natural position. I can see the fit in the role. I'm not usually super gung-ho about run stuffing nose tackles in the first round. But at least with him, there's a clear path.

Speaker 3:
[78:38] He makes plays too. I mean, he just kind of fits the mold of what they look like.

Speaker 6:
[78:43] Do you have a guy, Freddie?

Speaker 4:
[78:44] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[78:44] I'm going to move off wide receiver since my guy's gone. And I'm going to go to edge. I'm going to go with Keldrick Falk. Falk? Okay.

Speaker 3:
[78:52] I don't like that one, Fred.

Speaker 2:
[78:53] You don't like him?

Speaker 4:
[78:54] No.

Speaker 6:
[78:54] They don't like Keldrick Falk. The boys don't like him.

Speaker 3:
[78:57] Explosive. Why not?

Speaker 4:
[78:58] Very stiff, not a very good pass rusher. I think at this stage, he's probably a better run defender. He's a guy that's big, sturdy. If they were still in the Belichick defense and they were a 3-4 end team and they were looking for guys that were going to play over the tackled, five technique and lockout and two gap and hold the point and all that stuff, then he would be on the list for sure. But since they want their guys to play outside the tackles and might rush the pass or more, stop the run on the way, that to me is not Keldrick Falk's style. Okay.

Speaker 2:
[79:33] Well, we'll see.

Speaker 3:
[79:35] We'll see. We'll see about that, Evan.

Speaker 13:
[79:36] All right.

Speaker 2:
[79:37] The pick is in for the Browns.

Speaker 13:
[79:39] Yeah. I don't see who they picked.

Speaker 4:
[79:40] That's Casey Concepcion.

Speaker 2:
[79:42] Oh, they took Concepcion.

Speaker 4:
[79:44] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[79:45] All right.

Speaker 3:
[79:45] Get Schitter some weapons.

Speaker 2:
[79:46] Next up is after that, Chicago.

Speaker 3:
[79:48] Then Buffalo, which is that's going to be an interesting one.

Speaker 2:
[79:51] So Chicago will go defense, don't you think?

Speaker 3:
[79:53] Yeah. I've seen some speculation that actually John from what the Sports Journal, the High School Sports Journal here, he thought that Keldrick Falk could go to Chicago here.

Speaker 2:
[80:05] John Serenitis?

Speaker 3:
[80:06] Yes. John Serenitis. Thank you.

Speaker 2:
[80:09] Okay. All right.

Speaker 3:
[80:12] We got Schitter, I think Schitter has been taking some reps, and we got Deshaun Watson back in the mix, and the circus continues.

Speaker 4:
[80:18] The classic browns.

Speaker 6:
[80:18] I think it would be an unbelievable story if Deshaun Watson ends up being there starting quarterback this year. Right?

Speaker 4:
[80:23] I mean, unbelievable in a gross way, right?

Speaker 6:
[80:26] Just like, but I think I probably shouldn't like as in a stunning way. Yeah, I don't think anybody would have predicted that he would be quarterback again.

Speaker 4:
[80:35] Incorrect.

Speaker 2:
[80:36] Don't call it a comeback.

Speaker 6:
[80:38] All right. I mean, are you just as morally outraged that Tyreek Hill played for Miami last year?

Speaker 4:
[80:45] A little bit.

Speaker 6:
[80:45] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[80:46] I mean, this one is, I mean-

Speaker 6:
[80:48] Because if I'm going to be morally outraged, and Fred will tell you this, I wouldn't be able to be a GM because I wouldn't have any of these guys on my team, but we're talking about half the league.

Speaker 2:
[80:57] Right. I do. You kind of have to-

Speaker 3:
[80:59] I am really interested though in Buffalo, what direction they go. I think Boston should be a consideration for them, but is he too much like their other guy they just took, or Mark Cooper Jr. Is that like-

Speaker 6:
[81:12] Is he too much like Shakir?

Speaker 3:
[81:13] Is he too much like Shakir? Maybe a little bit more size than him.

Speaker 6:
[81:16] I think he's probably better.

Speaker 3:
[81:17] Yeah. But there's not a lot of options really to get Josh Allen some help, I don't feel like in this area unless they really believe in Boston, I think then you're spinning up some more role.

Speaker 4:
[81:25] I think the issue that they have with Boston, and this isn't how you should draft, but the Keon Coleman vibes are there, and if you're a Buffalo fan, it's like the Patriots with Nikhil Harry.

Speaker 3:
[81:35] Going right back to the well.

Speaker 4:
[81:36] You're going to do that again. It is a little bit scary for that reason. If they like them, they should-

Speaker 6:
[81:41] Absolutely scary for that reason if you're Buffalo.

Speaker 4:
[81:44] If you like them though, that you shouldn't let the fan, Keon Coleman PTSD be the reason why you don't draft them. But that would worry me. A lot of people in Buffalo think they're going edge rusher with this pick. So it might be another team that would be kicking the tires on one of these edge guys. They're another 4-3 team. Well, I don't know what they're going to be now, I guess. They're changing, right? Tim Leonard, right? So I think they're going to be more of an odd front team now. So maybe they're a fall team. Maybe they're a Parker team, a young team. I don't know. I don't know exactly what their scheme is going to look like.

Speaker 3:
[82:18] Interesting decision.

Speaker 2:
[82:19] Okay. So Concepcion is gone. Chicago is on the clock. I think they're going to go defense. Then they're followed by Buffalo.

Speaker 4:
[82:28] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[82:29] So I mean, whoever gets drafted by them, that's you've been.

Speaker 3:
[82:34] I'm going to have to hate them.

Speaker 4:
[82:38] Fair enough.

Speaker 3:
[82:39] Do the Browns ever think actually getting a real logo or they just keep rolling this helmet, this orange helmet out like what?

Speaker 2:
[82:44] That's what they do. I mean, what is a Brown? Like, you know, a marker.

Speaker 6:
[82:48] It's Paul Brown, right?

Speaker 2:
[82:49] I know.

Speaker 3:
[82:50] But like I get a picture of Paul Brown.

Speaker 2:
[82:51] What's your logo?

Speaker 3:
[82:52] This is our helmet.

Speaker 6:
[82:54] A guy with a fedora.

Speaker 4:
[82:56] What's your mascot?

Speaker 3:
[82:57] This is our helmet. But what's your mascot? It's a helmet. We have dogs, too.

Speaker 4:
[83:01] Dogs are brown.

Speaker 3:
[83:03] It's getting punchy.

Speaker 6:
[83:04] One of the all-time spite moves though is Paul Brown, you know, getting let go by the Browns and then going to start the expansion Bengals and he just said, we're going to use the same exact uniforms. We're just going to write Bengals on the side.

Speaker 3:
[83:15] It's like those tiger stripes. Good.

Speaker 6:
[83:18] Oh, God.

Speaker 3:
[83:20] I like those. The white ones are good too. Anyway, you can tell it's getting 1030. And now we're starting to get a little punchy here with uniform talk. Sorry, Paul. Yeah. I'll take you down that dark road. I know you're not a fan of that.

Speaker 2:
[83:29] What?

Speaker 6:
[83:30] How late it is? Well, I get a little time.

Speaker 13:
[83:32] I get a little uniform talk.

Speaker 2:
[83:33] Barton Pullen has a clarification. He was talking about Miami taking tackles.

Speaker 6:
[83:37] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[83:37] He meant to say the history of Alabama tackles take.

Speaker 6:
[83:43] God bless you. The Alabama tackles are.

Speaker 4:
[83:46] The Alabama tackle curse.

Speaker 6:
[83:48] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[83:48] He listed them all.

Speaker 6:
[83:49] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[83:50] That was the list.

Speaker 6:
[83:51] They were a little hot and cold. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[83:53] Okay.

Speaker 6:
[83:54] Yeah. I mean, Leatherwood is one of the all-time busts, right? The Raiders took him in the first round.

Speaker 4:
[83:59] But to be fair to Leatherwood, he was overdrafted by the Raiders, and that wasn't totally his fault, but yes. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[84:06] But you can still play well.

Speaker 4:
[84:08] Yeah. But he was overdrafted by a full round, maybe a round and a half. If he was a third round pick, would we talk about him as one of the biggest busts in the last decade? No. Whatever it was.

Speaker 2:
[84:20] Yeah. All right.

Speaker 6:
[84:23] But that makes more sense. I'm glad he clarified that.

Speaker 3:
[84:25] I want to hear who this Chicago pick is.

Speaker 2:
[84:27] We're at the 25th pick.

Speaker 3:
[84:28] Buffalo. I'm dying here.

Speaker 2:
[84:32] More furniture. A lot of e-mails I haven't read about furniture, by the way.

Speaker 3:
[84:36] It's funny how there's always one topic. You're dropping the ball.

Speaker 2:
[84:38] Don and Dan and Poughkeepsie thinks the Ottoman is flexible and durable. It's a stud. When you use them, it's so abstract that it's cool. Twelve personnel with the Ottoman all day.

Speaker 3:
[84:51] Kind of a good weapon for Josh. He could move the Ottoman around, put it in different spots.

Speaker 4:
[84:55] We considered the Ottoman, but we went with reclining furniture instead. Because then it retracts into itself, so it's not in the way. An Ottoman then lives in the middle of your room and it's kind of-

Speaker 3:
[85:07] Well, let's be fair. Let's be fair. You can go on the seventh round and get yourself just a little apple box cart for five bucks, and that's going to do the same job the Ottoman did ultimately. So it's not in the same vicinity for me. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[85:22] Who's the- Emmanuel McNeil Warren. So they did go-

Speaker 6:
[85:27] Who picked him?

Speaker 3:
[85:28] Chicago.

Speaker 6:
[85:29] I thought they picked Theon.

Speaker 4:
[85:30] Oh, you just said my guy went.

Speaker 6:
[85:32] I said your Oregon safety went.

Speaker 4:
[85:34] Oh, I thought you said my safety went. So who did the bears pick? They picked Dylan Theoneman. So I would put this in the category of a slide a little bit here with Dylan Theoneman. I thought he'd go like 10 picks higher than this. But I think they moved on from Brisker, right? In Chicago. And so this makes some sense for them to get a safety here.

Speaker 3:
[85:54] And our guy fired.

Speaker 4:
[85:55] Yeah. I mean, he was. Oh, right. Yeah, he is his hips, his coverage ability. He's got some smooth movement, man. I mean, he's really, really smooth, really fluid, can play at different levels of the defense. He plays like a really good robber at the second level of the defense, but it can also play over the top. I love his tape.

Speaker 6:
[86:15] Good picture of him, too. He'd like that one. He looks jacked.

Speaker 3:
[86:18] Seems like it fell well for them. I mean, they signed Cam Lewis and Kobe Bryant, or that Kobe Bryant's a good player. So now you pair him. That's his free agency signing. So it's the Bears, another team to me that's stacking talent like they got, you know, you just got to make it work. Right.

Speaker 6:
[86:34] Well, I mean, work. I mean, they lost an overtime in the divisional round. I mean, it's not like they stunk last year.

Speaker 4:
[86:40] The Texans traded with the Bills here. The Texans are now on the clock and Buffalo moved back a couple of spots.

Speaker 6:
[86:47] So obviously, they didn't love the wide receivers.

Speaker 4:
[86:50] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[86:51] Maybe this is the other safety.

Speaker 4:
[86:52] Tackle. They go Lomu here. They need some offensive line help. I mean, I don't know how many eggs they're still continuing to put in Trent Brown's basket just for him to quit right before a playoff game. So how many more times are we going to do that?

Speaker 6:
[87:08] That was right out of the 2018 Paul playbook right there.

Speaker 3:
[87:12] I saw Trent Brown walking off the field of the game. I'm like, yeah, he ain't playing. Not today, coach.

Speaker 6:
[87:18] Sorry.

Speaker 4:
[87:19] I don't think I've ever seen anything like that in the playoff game. He went through an on-field workout.

Speaker 6:
[87:24] Way to compete.

Speaker 4:
[87:25] Was moving just fine.

Speaker 6:
[87:26] But Danny and Tomlitzer was embarrassed.

Speaker 4:
[87:28] Yeah. Then all of a sudden, you get the inactives and they're like, yeah, Trent's not playing.

Speaker 6:
[87:34] Trenton, Trenton.

Speaker 4:
[87:35] I was like, what do you mean? Then they moved like three people to accommodate the fact that Trent Brown couldn't play. Obviously, the five turnovers later and they're going home. I wonder if they take the last tackle here just because they've got to, at some point, move on from Trenton players like that.

Speaker 3:
[87:57] Probably be good for you if they did take Lomu here. I'm begging you, please, somebody take Lomu.

Speaker 4:
[88:03] I do not want to be wrong about this.

Speaker 6:
[88:04] The Bills moved up significantly to drop down two spots. They get 69. Nice. They give up 91. That's a pretty good. They got 69 and 167 to give up 26 and 91.

Speaker 4:
[88:21] So they kind of swap picks there. Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[88:23] In the middle. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[88:29] Amanda and Brad from Adelaide, Australia writes in Duce, you're hilarious.

Speaker 6:
[88:33] He really is.

Speaker 2:
[88:34] Out of nowhere. Have the Browns ever thought about getting a real logo? And Fred, a daybed slash chaise lounge is a must have furniture item.

Speaker 6:
[88:46] The chaise lounge, I find overrated. Controversial take here.

Speaker 2:
[88:51] Yeah, I agree. I agree. Not needed.

Speaker 6:
[88:55] When I had one, it was really good. It was not only a chaise lounge, but it had a recliner element to it as well. It was very comfortable. I found it difficult to get in and out of.

Speaker 3:
[89:03] Yeah, yeah. Well, it's like a bed and a couch.

Speaker 6:
[89:06] Not because I'm fat.

Speaker 2:
[89:06] There was a time.

Speaker 6:
[89:07] Don't be a jerk.

Speaker 2:
[89:08] Not anymore. Now you're sprightly jumping off.

Speaker 6:
[89:11] I told you, I feel like I'm putting it back on.

Speaker 2:
[89:13] Putting it back on.

Speaker 6:
[89:14] Really?

Speaker 2:
[89:14] You better watch that. I noticed you're partaking more and more in my leftover. You know what?

Speaker 4:
[89:23] Fred observes.

Speaker 6:
[89:24] That's not wrong. I have a chicken finger.

Speaker 3:
[89:28] I don't think the one leftover Fred chicken finger.

Speaker 2:
[89:29] It used to be now. I'm good.

Speaker 6:
[89:31] I have a chicken tendy almost every time he offers it to me.

Speaker 2:
[89:33] Now I see the gleam in his eye.

Speaker 3:
[89:35] That's probably it. That's why I'm losing weight because I used to get two. Now I only get one leftover Fred chicken finger. Dillon Thiemann, bring in some swag. I like it. I like it.

Speaker 4:
[89:47] I really like it.

Speaker 3:
[89:48] Super athletic.

Speaker 4:
[89:49] Yeah, very athletic player, just really smooth in coverage. Like I said, he played all over that secondary for Oregon, different levels of the defense. I'm surprised he lasts this long. I don't know what that's all about. He's going to be a good player.

Speaker 6:
[90:03] Now the Dolphins traded with the Texans?

Speaker 4:
[90:06] The Texans traded back out of the pick?

Speaker 6:
[90:07] Really? I don't know. Like it says Trader Nick at it again. Maybe it's two different trades. I don't know.

Speaker 4:
[90:13] I think we have the Texans pick.

Speaker 6:
[90:15] Maybe the Texans took somebody and now the Dolphins are on the clock.

Speaker 4:
[90:18] The Texans did take an offensive lineman. It was not Caleb Lomu. The Texans have taken Caelan Rutledge.

Speaker 6:
[90:23] Oh, that's the guard, right?

Speaker 4:
[90:24] From Georgia Tech, another mauler, another just angry, put dudes in the ground type of player. I have some concerns about him in pass protection, but if you're trying to get more physical or you're trying to run the ball, this guy can really, really run.

Speaker 6:
[90:39] If you want to be more physical on the offensive line, get physical players.

Speaker 4:
[90:42] Yeah. I mean, he can really, really run block, and he just like sets a tone. He's going to be one of those guys that's going to just, he's going to have like a tone setting presence to him, to your offensive line. But watching him run block, I mean, he runs the gamut of the different things that he can do. He can reach, he can climb to the second level, he can pull, he can create displacement on double teams. He's a really good run blocker. He's going to be a fun player. I don't know, you know, the pass protection, I had some question marks, you know, the movement, the side to side movement, a little bit higher, plays a little bit upright in his pass that gives up some ground to the bull rush. But I think as a run blocker, he's just dynamite.

Speaker 3:
[91:25] I caught a little of the, I think they had the Texans Patriots playoff game back on. I was just really not disappointed in him, but I was just surprised at how bad CJ. Stroud looked. And I know he was like under duress and all that, but I just was so impressed with him in the first couple years.

Speaker 6:
[91:38] That's as bad as a quarterback can play. That wasn't all that dissimilar to that Jets guy who was so bad, I can't even remember who it was.

Speaker 3:
[91:46] Was it, I don't know.

Speaker 6:
[91:48] That guy who just looked so defeated. There was a play. He got sacked.

Speaker 4:
[91:53] The Dolphins are in that game.

Speaker 6:
[91:55] And like the radio call, Bob Sose almost sounded like he felt bad for him. He goes down again. It was like he felt bad for him. Like the guy was so overmatched. Why can't I not remember who that was?

Speaker 3:
[92:08] It was two years ago. I think it was two years ago in the playoffs with him. I don't know if that was his first time in the playoffs, CJ. Stroud. But I was just really impressed with him. I thought he showed great toughness.

Speaker 6:
[92:16] His rookie year was fantastic. And then his second year.

Speaker 4:
[92:19] His Brady Cook.

Speaker 3:
[92:20] Brady Cook.

Speaker 6:
[92:20] Brady Cook.

Speaker 4:
[92:21] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[92:22] But I just, it really fell off. And a little bit of like a cautionary tale.

Speaker 6:
[92:26] I got to take my medicine. I was talking CJ. Stroud up and the listeners were all over me. I got to take my medicine. He was terrible.

Speaker 4:
[92:34] So just to, so the 49ers and the Dolphins just traded. So the Dolphins are now on the clock. Now these teams are only moving a couple of spots, but we're only talking about pick swaps right now.

Speaker 6:
[92:45] Like 30, 27, and they got 90.

Speaker 4:
[92:48] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[92:48] To go up three spots.

Speaker 4:
[92:49] So they went, the Niners are getting 30 and 90, the Dolphins are getting 27 and 138. So 138 is coming back. So if you're talking about the Patriots trading out tonight and moving back to, you know, four or five spots, right now, you're not even, you're just swapping picks.

Speaker 6:
[93:05] Day three pick.

Speaker 4:
[93:05] Yeah, you're not actually adding any picks for most of these trades. I like the swaps, though. I think it's smart. Like you don't necessarily need all these extra picks. So we just wonder what they think.

Speaker 2:
[93:16] So the Texans moving up to take the guard.

Speaker 5:
[93:18] Keelin Rutledge. It's the pickest of them that could be laughing, right?

Speaker 2:
[93:23] Are we not laughing at the Texans?

Speaker 3:
[93:25] I really like that player.

Speaker 6:
[93:27] So here's the thing, I don't like the pick. I understand the Texans are badly in need of offensive linemen. I do think it's a little different year to year. Like I don't think it's the same every year. This is a bad draft class. So if he's one of the best players available, I mean, I find that hard to believe.

Speaker 2:
[93:44] You have to move up to get a guard?

Speaker 8:
[93:47] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[93:47] But like Evan just said, you moved up like two spots and you swap picks in the middle rounds. It's not like you gave anything up to do it.

Speaker 3:
[93:53] I mean, they turn a lot of draft picks at wide receiver position, two of the guys, I mean, they're all from Iowa State. You just wonder if they just feel like this is all that's holding us back. We got one way, almost set to the quarterback. It's like screw it.

Speaker 6:
[94:06] It's Nick's blind spot.

Speaker 2:
[94:07] We got to predict. Well, and that's the thing.

Speaker 6:
[94:08] It's Nick's blind spot.

Speaker 2:
[94:09] A lot of that pressure came right up the middle.

Speaker 6:
[94:12] It came from everywhere. I'm still trying to figure out the tonsil trade. You had a good left tackle and you traded him, but Nick has done a lot of different things well in building that roster. He hasn't been, and he's addressed it. He just hasn't hit on many of the picks. Kenyon Green was a guard they took a few years ago, and people laughed at that too, Fred. He didn't pan out.

Speaker 2:
[94:37] The Dolphins pick is in.

Speaker 3:
[94:39] Oh boy.

Speaker 4:
[94:40] Dolphins pick is in. We don't know yet.

Speaker 3:
[94:41] These are always interesting ones. I just hope that they don't take guys that are like-

Speaker 4:
[94:46] I took Chris Johnson, the cornerback from San Diego State. Another guy that I really, really liked. I just didn't think the Patriots needed a corner or we're going to a corner here this high in the draft. But sticky coverage player, really smooth, has the ability to play man-to-man, maybe a little bit of like a tweener slot outside guy. But when you watch his coverage ability, he's really, really locked down type of man coverage player. Really one of those guys too that I think a lot of people caught on to later in the process and another media riser had to be at this point in the draft. But there was a lot of chatter, I'd say over the last week or so that he was gonna go in the first round. So it doesn't shock me that he's going here, but maybe a month ago, three weeks ago, we were talking about him as is he a top 50 pick? Where is he gonna go? And by the end, he ends up in the first round. But like I said, I think his carrying trade, his standout trade is his man coverage ability. So kind of maybe tells you a little bit about the Dolphins are trying to plan there and what kind of defense they're gonna run.

Speaker 2:
[95:54] So that was the 27th pick. Once that's announced, you've got Buffalo, Kansas City, the 49ers, and then your New England Patriots.

Speaker 4:
[96:03] Yeah. Yeah. And it seems like the pick line is ahead of the broadcast by quite a bit. So the Patriots might be pretty close to being on deck or on the clock here in the next 10, 15 minutes.

Speaker 2:
[96:15] Okay. All right.

Speaker 6:
[96:16] Do we know Buffalo's already in?

Speaker 4:
[96:18] We do not. Not yet.

Speaker 2:
[96:21] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[96:22] We just got Miami's.

Speaker 6:
[96:23] Yeah. I mean, you're getting to the point where you're close enough with the last tackle, you know, if you wanted him, you know, it's going to be in play, right?

Speaker 4:
[96:34] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[96:34] It's only like four picks.

Speaker 4:
[96:35] Yeah. It's going to be in play, you know.

Speaker 3:
[96:37] Manuel McNeil-Warren, maybe too. I mean, that's, you know, this is what we talked about at the beginning, though, was like a 31. Who's going to fall through the cracks? And, you know, I mean, there was a certain point, I think, where that guy was going to be long gone.

Speaker 2:
[96:47] But everybody's got to make a feeling on McCoy, to remind McCoy.

Speaker 4:
[96:51] Yeah, we talked about him with the knee. You know, that's why he's falling out of the first round. I think it's a very dicey proposition with the injury right now. But looking at just my big board, Cassius Howell, Denzel Boston, TJ. Parker, Omar Cooper Jr., McNeil Warren, Zion Young, Kaden MacDonald, CJ. Allen. CJ. Allen is maybe the one wild card at linebacker to draft an off-ball linebacker here. But to me, endless is just me. But to me, after that, just looking at my notes, like I feel like we're not picking somebody that's a first round prospect, right? Like we're really getting into, this guy really should be, you know, the R. Mason Thomas's, those players are high second rounders, in my opinion. So if you're not in that list, you only have, what, five picks to go here, four picks to go. So you're going to get one of these guys. If you want them. Lomu is also still out there. You know, if they like him, Keljic Falk is still out there. If they like him, you know, those are some of the guys that aren't my guys that are still available. You know, Avian Terrell from Clemson too, a really good player, Peter Woods. You know, we want to go interior defensive line, a little bit more pass rush juice than a guy like Kaden McDonald. So there's some other players that I didn't have on the board that are still available.

Speaker 2:
[98:12] What would surprise you if the Patriots kill your corner?

Speaker 4:
[98:15] Corner, yeah. I mean, like, I just don't get that one, you know, like, plus I also don't really want that to happen because the obvious reaction from that is that they're not going to pay Christian Gonzalez, right? Well, yeah. That's the obvious reaction for a lot of people. You draft a corner in the first round, you do that thing.

Speaker 6:
[98:33] You know me, I'm always doing that kind of stuff, like, what's the hidden... I wouldn't do that. I would look at Carlton Davis.

Speaker 4:
[98:41] I think that would be the correct thing to look at, Paul, but that's not how people are.

Speaker 6:
[98:44] Is there that much of a difference between picking a corner to replace Carlton Davis next year or picking the tackle to replace Morgan Moses next year? It's not that different.

Speaker 2:
[98:55] How many times did we think Carlton Davis is going to be out?

Speaker 4:
[98:57] 17 times.

Speaker 6:
[98:57] Well, that's why I say it's not that different.

Speaker 4:
[98:59] Practices, games.

Speaker 6:
[99:01] I know he's not as old as Morgan Moses, but he's banged up.

Speaker 4:
[99:05] I just looked at corner as something, if you draft a corner, third, fourth round, I wouldn't be blown away or shut. But to me, they have some developmental ability there in terms of timeline.

Speaker 6:
[99:17] Patriots trade up to 28 according to Mike Dussault.

Speaker 4:
[99:20] So the Patriots are on the clock.

Speaker 2:
[99:22] Wow, that's huge.

Speaker 13:
[99:23] Oh, my God.

Speaker 2:
[99:24] What did they trade?

Speaker 13:
[99:25] So they're picking a guy.

Speaker 6:
[99:26] Is it for the tackle?

Speaker 4:
[99:30] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[99:31] Wow.

Speaker 6:
[99:32] Is it for Lomu? No, I don't know. I have not seen the pick.

Speaker 2:
[99:36] I have drama.

Speaker 3:
[99:37] I'm not going to look at our internal communications, so we'll find out together.

Speaker 6:
[99:42] I was going to say, I don't get them, so if you're not going to look.

Speaker 3:
[99:45] I haven't seen anything yet, but I thought I would.

Speaker 6:
[99:47] If you're not going to look, then we're all on an island.

Speaker 4:
[99:51] The Patriots are on the clock. I'm waiting to see what the trade details are. So the Patriots traded 125. So they had two force, so they get rid of 125, and they come up from 31 to 28 by trading 125. That is the...

Speaker 3:
[100:12] Okay. So interesting. Well, so Fred, you said it. If you trade up for a guy, you want them. So who do they want? And I don't think it's Denzel Boston.

Speaker 2:
[100:24] Should I tell you?

Speaker 6:
[100:25] Oh, do you know?

Speaker 2:
[100:25] I think so.

Speaker 4:
[100:26] We do know, but it's not out there yet.

Speaker 6:
[100:28] You should wait, because it's not on Twitter yet.

Speaker 2:
[100:30] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[100:31] I don't know yet. I'm going to enjoy.

Speaker 6:
[100:33] I don't know. I'm not privy to these high-level internal memos.

Speaker 2:
[100:39] I think you're all going to be like, okay. Okay. I think you're going to be okay with it.

Speaker 3:
[100:45] Yeah. All right.

Speaker 6:
[100:46] Well, then that tells me it's not going to be Cassius Howell.

Speaker 3:
[100:49] Well, then it's a Keldr flog. It's not.

Speaker 2:
[100:52] No.

Speaker 6:
[100:54] The pick is in.

Speaker 2:
[100:55] The pick is in.

Speaker 3:
[100:57] Who's going to do the honors?

Speaker 2:
[100:58] We're waiting with bated breath.

Speaker 4:
[101:00] So it is on Twitter now if we want to go ahead. So the Patriots did select Caleb Lomu tackle from Utah. So they jumped up three spots to get the tackle. The last tackle that was a first round tackle. I'm going to be honest, I didn't love the player. I didn't, you know, wasn't crazy about the great.

Speaker 5:
[101:20] In the 2026 NFL Draft, the New England Patriots select Caleb Lomu, tackle Utah.

Speaker 6:
[101:34] I was right that they would have to trade up to get them, no?

Speaker 3:
[101:38] Yeah, I mean, that's exactly what Fred, you said, you know, is exactly what you said. But he was the left tackle, you know.

Speaker 6:
[101:45] He played left tackle at Utah. I do like the fact that he has the ability to play the left side.

Speaker 4:
[101:50] He played left tackle. He has a lot of the measurables that you look for at tackle.

Speaker 3:
[101:53] 33 and 3 8th, everybody was wondering.

Speaker 4:
[101:55] Yeah, longer arms, you know, hits the threshold, very good athlete at the combine, younger player, which is the one thing I did really like about him. He's only 21 years old. You know, he's got some development to do. I think he's got to add play strength. He's got to add grit to his game. He has to be able to finish a little bit better in the run game. But he is one of those guys that can really pass protect, especially, you know, out on an island, one on one with pass rushers. He's got that ability to redirect and use his quickness and use his foot speed to stay glued to blocks in the passing game. So there's a lot of upside here. I think a lot of people felt like he had extremely high upside. And that's what you're banking on with Lomu. And this late in the first round, it's not surprising that you go in that direction. But one of those guys that I was a little bit lukewarm on. So I'm interested to see what they saw that I didn't with him.

Speaker 2:
[102:46] So Eliot Wolf will be adressing the media at the end of the night. And we're getting to the end of the night. We'll have that live on patriots.com. So I'm sure that's what he's going to be talking about, is why they felt the need to trade up to get this guy.

Speaker 6:
[103:01] Hey, there's our new draft room.

Speaker 2:
[103:03] There's the new draft room.

Speaker 4:
[103:04] There you go.

Speaker 3:
[103:05] No socks, making an appearance.

Speaker 6:
[103:07] We do have a cast of thousands in there. It's a little Cowboys like. I'm not happy with that.

Speaker 3:
[103:13] So what does this say?

Speaker 2:
[103:15] So when we were talking about them taking a tackle, we were like, probably going to sit behind Morgan Moses. And the fact that they traded up to get this guy, do you think he's going to play faster? You think maybe Morgan Moses is going to be backing him up?

Speaker 4:
[103:32] I mean, that's not the way the player is written about. You know, this is a guy that I think, similar to Iannachor, that needs some development and is going to take some time. Like I mentioned earlier, he's only 21 years old, so he's young. And I think that, like Iannachor, I just like Iannachor a little bit better, but like Iannachor, you know, the good thing about him is you don't have to thrust him in to play right away. So you can give him some of that time to develop behind Morgan Moses. You know, he's going to have to switch sides. He's going to have to, you know, pick some of the technique things that he has issues with. So that's going to take some time. So I don't really see him as someone that's, you know, going to step in day one or push Moses early in his rookie season. I see this as more of like a long term. What we everything we discuss with the on a tour applies here.

Speaker 2:
[104:23] I know, I know, Evan, this is going to be tough for you. But is there any chance that this guy's a better left tackle than Will Campbell?

Speaker 4:
[104:30] As I would say, as a pass protector, yes, I think there is a chance. I think he's got a little bit more of like the natural build, the natural length, that ability.

Speaker 2:
[104:41] Does this do what Paul was talking about?

Speaker 3:
[104:44] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[104:45] You have a guy who potentially could play right tackle, but he could also play left tackle if things don't work out.

Speaker 3:
[104:52] That's exactly what Paul talked about. He played left tackle. He's an athletic guy.

Speaker 6:
[104:55] He played left tackle.

Speaker 2:
[104:56] He's called the prophet.

Speaker 6:
[104:58] He played left tackle at Utah. So it's not, can he switch sides? Right. He did it. He played it at, you know.

Speaker 2:
[105:06] Well now we're wondering if he can switch sides to play right.

Speaker 3:
[105:08] That's my question. That's my question.

Speaker 4:
[105:10] Now we're switching him the other way.

Speaker 6:
[105:12] I think it's a red shirt guy, and I don't love that, but it's a need. I don't think there's any question about it.

Speaker 2:
[105:18] They want to be in a position to draft for need.

Speaker 6:
[105:22] I don't necessarily think that they draft it specifically for need. It's not like the last two years. But a lot of people, we were, I think, in the minority. A lot of people were fixated on tackle. Like a lot of people were hell bent. They're going to take a tackle in the first round. I did not agree. I was wrong. But it makes sense that the tackle train was going. Ten picks was a long time for that last one to last. And obviously, they didn't feel comfortable waiting another couple of picks. They went up and got them.

Speaker 3:
[105:51] They ended up to get the last one.

Speaker 4:
[105:52] Yeah, I mean, exactly. This was the last guy. If you really were serious about whether it's Morgan Moses' succession plan, Will Campbell insurance, combination of both, if you were really serious about that needing to be something you addressed this year, this was the last guy on the board that could do that this year.

Speaker 2:
[106:10] Now, if this was the old regime, the story would be, we couldn't believe this guy fell. We didn't have him as the, we had him higher.

Speaker 3:
[106:18] Well, I mean, the thing to me that, you know, I can't imagine what Paul's shows are going to do with this because they're going to look at this as, and they're going to draw the direct line where I think we've been balanced about it saying they're going to get a guy who, you know, can maybe play both sides. But I think the hot take is going to be, there's your left tackle.

Speaker 2:
[106:34] You think so?

Speaker 3:
[106:35] I think that's going to be the hot take.

Speaker 2:
[106:36] Ooh.

Speaker 3:
[106:37] Don't you think?

Speaker 4:
[106:37] Well, I don't think they drafted a left tackle. Yeah. So here's the thing is you have, the guy plays 32 snaps on the right side in college.

Speaker 6:
[106:44] But he's probably not going to play this year, right? If everything goes well, and Campbell and Moses are healthy, he doesn't play and you have a whole year to develop him. If Campbell doesn't play well, I don't think that's outrageous to say like in 27, when this kid is ready to play, theoretically, he plays left the left side and you figure out what you're going to do with Campbell. If Campbell plays well, you have to figure out if this guy can play on the right side.

Speaker 3:
[107:09] No, I think that's the balance reasonable take.

Speaker 4:
[107:11] Right?

Speaker 3:
[107:12] Right. That's when that's the side you're going to have to argue when you're going to go under the mask.

Speaker 4:
[107:16] I just wonder, I don't know. I mean, I guess so.

Speaker 6:
[107:20] The Jets trade it back into the first round.

Speaker 4:
[107:22] I just feel like in this situation, he only played 32 snaps on the right side his entire college career. He played 1,500 snaps at left tackle. If the plan is for him to play right tackle, and then just my opinion, but I already thought that he has in development to do period, with just his technique and things like that to begin with, so this is to me is a little bit of a project. Like you're switching sides and you're developing him as a player. But there's a lot of people that disagreed with me and thought that the upside was really, really immense. I'm not, I hate that we're kind of broaching the Will Campbell thing with this because we have been talking all off season about drafting a successor for Morgan Moses.

Speaker 2:
[108:05] Yes, we have.

Speaker 4:
[108:06] It's been a topic all off season. And one of the big things that we said is-

Speaker 2:
[108:10] And now they did it.

Speaker 4:
[108:11] Right. And now we're talking about is this actually Will Campbell's replacement.

Speaker 2:
[108:14] Well, only because this guy is a left tackle.

Speaker 6:
[108:16] But you just said why people are going to do that. You just explained why.

Speaker 2:
[108:21] He has to right tackle. They drafted a left tackle.

Speaker 6:
[108:23] Morgan Moses' replacement.

Speaker 4:
[108:24] I understand that, but it's been done before, many times. I know. And it's not unheard of to draft the college left tackle and have him flip sides. I mean, maybe at this point in the draft, you're not putting him in the Joe Alt category, but it's not unheard of to do that. I just, I wonder about this. Like, we had this conversation with Ionichor. I just liked Ionichor a little bit better as a player, and so did the lead, because he got drafted seven, eight picks higher. But we talked about how the tackle position was going to have a cliff, and it was going to drop off. And the edge position was going to go into day two with really good edge players. And obviously they decided that it was more important to draft the tackle now. And then on day two, we still get our edge guy that we like.

Speaker 6:
[109:14] And I can't kill him for that, because tackle is a need.

Speaker 4:
[109:16] That strategy, I think, it just started to make a lot of sense. Maybe it wasn't the exact player I thought that they were going to take. But I think by the end of this process, tackle was on a lot of mock drafts to the Patriots.

Speaker 2:
[109:28] All right. So we have some emails coming in about the pick, John in Utah, a biased Utah fan. I think Caleb has a high ceiling talent wise, not a slam dunk. I think the possibility for strong career is there. I'm not as high on him as Garrett Bowles back in the day, but I am optimistic. I don't think he's ready for a lot of starting time right away. But ideally, they'll be able to buy some time with Moses. Chris writes in from Colfax back from Colfax. I'm so glad that we traded up to take the last tackle a la Cam Fleming again, and a tackle that is soft and doesn't play with any nastiness. Great pick, Eliot.

Speaker 4:
[110:04] Cam Fleming, Cam Fleming wasn't a first-round pick.

Speaker 6:
[110:07] No, he was a third-rounder, I think.

Speaker 4:
[110:09] He was a fourth-round pick, so not even Cam Fleming.

Speaker 2:
[110:14] Ryan, better pro left tackle prospect, Lomu or Campbell. What if you were choosing between the two in the same draft?

Speaker 4:
[110:21] Campbell. Okay. Campbell. But.

Speaker 6:
[110:25] I mean, I would say Campbell, but.

Speaker 4:
[110:27] I think Campbell.

Speaker 6:
[110:31] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[110:31] I mean. I mean. Just draft them 10 minutes ago.

Speaker 6:
[110:35] One of my favorite plays is getting picked by the Jets right now, Omar Cooper. I like him.

Speaker 4:
[110:39] Omar Getting Jr. It's a fun pairing with him and Garrett Wilson that makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 6:
[110:46] Sadik. So all of a sudden.

Speaker 4:
[110:48] Some weapons. Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[110:49] Jets.

Speaker 4:
[110:49] They don't have a quarterback.

Speaker 6:
[110:50] Geno. Geno going to cook.

Speaker 3:
[110:52] He probably will cook here. That's just what happens, right?

Speaker 6:
[110:54] So now you're now officially worried about the two Jets games next year because Geno Smith.

Speaker 3:
[110:59] I worry about everything, Paul.

Speaker 6:
[111:00] You do.

Speaker 3:
[111:01] That's my job. But no, it's an interesting pick, especially when I look at it just through the lens of how it's going to be received. I've seen some of the comments and that's just the battle will continue. I wonder if they talk to Will Campbell. Just to let him know what their plan was because you can't look away that this kid was a starting left tackle. But I get, I just said.

Speaker 6:
[111:21] It's not a lot of time. You're talking to Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 2:
[111:24] I was going to say, I don't think you need to do that.

Speaker 3:
[111:26] But I just said it showed you the value of the tackles. You're not sure it was a guy that was in the second round at a certain point, but once they start going and you got to go up and get your guy if you want to get him.

Speaker 2:
[111:36] Rio in Texas. So now Evan likes Nick Imanuori. Would have been nice if he had felt that way when we kept crap all over my take that the Patriots should trade down out of the fourth overall pick and target Imanuori with one of the picks they get in return instead of drafting. What we see is now a future left guard.

Speaker 4:
[111:56] What are we talking about?

Speaker 2:
[111:57] When I proposed the move on catch 22, trading out of the spot where you could take Will Campbell was unthinkable. Amell Kiper Jr. banging the table for Jadour Sanders level of draft prognostication. I don't even know what he's talking about.

Speaker 6:
[112:11] I'm going to summarize this because it doesn't really happen very much.

Speaker 2:
[112:14] Catch 22, 22 beefs don't come over to this show.

Speaker 6:
[112:18] This isn't a catch 22, it's a PU beef. I liked Imanuori in the draft and you didn't. And the only reason why I remember is because I don't do anywhere near the amount of research on the draft that you guys do. So when I get one, I remember it. And you said earlier tonight when you were talking about, I believe, McNeil Warren, you compared him very favorably to the things that Imanuori, I think that's where the Imanuori is getting the Imanuori love from. Yeah, I was dead wrong. Now I'm going to defend you. He could be like a lot of the other media guys and just insist that he was right and refused to actually watch what the player did as a pro last year in Seattle and say, well, he's not that good and it's all about the system, which is a lot of our colleagues do because they've refused to admit they were wrong.

Speaker 4:
[113:06] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[113:07] So you did?

Speaker 4:
[113:09] I was dead wrong about him. He's a stud. I mean, we don't have to deliberate Imanuori right now, but Seattle had a much better plan for him than I envisioned. When you watched him in college, he played in the deep part of the field a lot and he looked at a place, Seattle moved him closer to the line of scrimmage, and now he's one of the best safeties in the league. I've admitted that a million times, so we can be snarky about it, but I don't have any more times. I have to admit that I was wrong about that one.

Speaker 3:
[113:34] Well, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 6:
[113:37] The bills trade again.

Speaker 2:
[113:38] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[113:39] The bills don't like the draft. They're trying to get out.

Speaker 2:
[113:43] Geez.

Speaker 3:
[113:43] I mean, are they picking up any kind of draft?

Speaker 2:
[113:45] Well, a lot of players said if I get drafted by Buffalo, I'm not going.

Speaker 6:
[113:49] Three trades backed by Buffalo. They're stockpiling picks on day two.

Speaker 3:
[113:53] There's a chart for that. I can't visually picture it, but I'd love to see what kind of draft capital they've actually picked up, if it's anything significant.

Speaker 6:
[114:00] No, it's pick swaps.

Speaker 3:
[114:02] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[114:03] It's like 66 to 69, 101 to 165, 35 to 31, that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3:
[114:09] Going down, going down.

Speaker 2:
[114:12] Jeremiah says, I really like the Lomu pick. I would have preferred Warren, but he's great as well. I know it's not going to be a popular pick since he might redshirt his first season, but I think protecting May, I'm sorry, should always be the top priority.

Speaker 3:
[114:26] Is there any chance this guy moves into guard?

Speaker 4:
[114:28] No, I don't think so. I don't think he has to. I think the best thing that I like about the pick, since I already said I kind of don't like change.

Speaker 1:
[114:35] Fred, do you want to go to Eliot?

Speaker 4:
[114:36] Oh, yes. Let's do that.

Speaker 2:
[114:37] Yes, if Eliot's there, let's talk to him.

Speaker 13:
[114:40] Lomu from Utah traded up three spots and gave up a fourth round pick to acquire him. Really excited about this player. He's young, he's experienced, he's athletic, he's a great kid. And frankly, I was a little surprised that he was still available. And that's why we, you know, decided to move up a little bit. And we're excited at him. Any questions?

Speaker 15:
[115:08] Eliot, how much of the fact that he was a three-year starter factor into you guys picking him, given where you guys are at as an organization?

Speaker 13:
[115:17] Yeah, he was actually, he's a three-year player, two-year starter at Utah. He's still 21 years old, played mostly on the left side. But we feel like he has the athletic ability and talent to, you know, obviously he has to come in and earn a role somewhere. But he has the athletic ability and talent and strength and, you know, upside to kind of play anywhere on the line. And again, we're just, we're just really thrilled, you know, big athletes like this are hard to come by, especially, you know, later in the first round like this. So I don't want to, you know, set him up for any wild comparisons or anything like that, but just really, really happy that we were able to acquire him.

Speaker 12:
[115:59] I think the majority of his college experience on the left side, are you open to having him play on the right or how do you think you'll approach?

Speaker 13:
[116:06] Yeah, I mean, Will's the left tackle. And like I said, Caleb has some versatility. So we feel like, you know, some of the pro day workouts that he did were on the right side. And, you know, we were comfortable with that. But again, he's very athletic. So I don't think either side will be a problem for him. What about on guard?

Speaker 14:
[116:23] Would he be a thought process at either of those spots?

Speaker 13:
[116:27] It's a possibility. You know, physically and athletically, like we think that's something he could do. You know, like most rookie offensive linemen, he's going to have to get stronger when he gets up here. But again, that's something for Coach Morrone and Haas and John DeCoster to kind of decide and see what fits the best for us.

Speaker 14:
[116:45] And can you take us behind, like, the trade? Is that an easy one to pull off or are you sort of, like, grinding the phone after someone's grinded the phone?

Speaker 13:
[116:53] Yeah, I would say, you know, we've been working the phones pretty regularly, you know, not only today, but, you know, throughout the week, just, you know, trying to find different contingencies. Today was, I would say, busier, just trying to feel out. You know, I think this draft, I think a lot of people have said, is a little bit unique. There are a lot of trades. There continue to be a lot of trades. I think there was one right when I was walking down here, and I was like, well, but yeah, we were very active on the phones. Ryan and Matt Grode did a great job of kind of working the phones and trying to understand where the value was. And ultimately, with Caleb still on the board, we just felt like giving up the extra pick to make sure that we could acquire him was important.

Speaker 7:
[117:34] Did you know there was a drop off after Caleb at the tackle position?

Speaker 13:
[117:38] We did. Again, there's still some good players at tackle and guard as well, but we felt like there was a drop off and we felt like, again, just this best player available type situation for us at that point.

Speaker 7:
[117:51] Any surprises for you over the first round?

Speaker 13:
[117:56] I feel like I've probably been doing this long enough where nothing surprises me. But I think just the number of offensive linemen is interesting. Again, even with that, the fact that Lomu was still available is pretty cool.

Speaker 7:
[118:13] Six of the offensive tackles in the first 21 picks at that point in time, did you think you had a chance at Lomu?

Speaker 13:
[118:22] We didn't. The way the board fell, there were still a couple of players up there that, again, we were at that point, it was best player available for us, picking late in the round and ultimately, just other names kept coming off and we were continuing to call around and founded a trade partner, and maybe an unlikely trade partner in Buffalo, and we were able to make it work.

Speaker 16:
[118:43] With Morgan Moses, too, you guys have reiterated that you're expecting him back. Did you see this benefit of bringing in Lomu to work with Will Campbell and Morgan Moses this year and have that ability to develop with them?

Speaker 13:
[118:56] Yeah, absolutely. Morgan's been here this week. He's a tremendous leader and a great resource for young players. And Caleb's young. He's got a lot of things that he's going to need to learn. He had a great offensive line coach at Utah and Jim Harding, and just really excited to be able to get to work with him.

Speaker 7:
[119:16] When you reset the board at the end of the first, what goes into that, from a logistical perspective, the end of the night here, setting things up for day two tomorrow?

Speaker 13:
[119:24] Yeah, we'll probably just do that in the morning. Probably, you know, it's good to remove yourself a little bit from it and just kind of focus in on what we need to do next. Obviously, we don't have an early round two pick, so it's going to be a lot like tonight, where we're going to have to watch a lot of names come off that board before we can make something happen. So, you know, certainly understanding, as the names have come off tonight, like where the strengths and weaknesses are for day two.

Speaker 8:
[119:52] What did Caleb do during the draft process since his last football game was over to improve his stock? Or what did he do in your eyes from January on?

Speaker 1:
[120:02] Yeah, I mean, obviously, the testing was excellent. We interviewed him at the combine. That was great. You know, he's actually, this is actually kind of, we actually canceled his 30 visit because we didn't, we had one scheduled and we just didn't think he was going to factor in for us. We thought he'd be gone. So his agent, Chase Callahan and Collin Roberts weren't too excited about that, but they understood and here we are. So it's pretty exciting to be able to acquire him. But athletically, some of the things at the pro day, the feet, the ability to play right tackle, and then obviously some of the zooms that we did with them, where he showed the intelligence that we felt like he had some versatility and would be able to play more than one spot.

Speaker 2:
[120:45] Elliot, are there players you may have targeted as second round possibilities you'd be willing to move up the board to get if they're in range?

Speaker 1:
[120:55] I think that's a possibility. We like to have as many picks as we can, and obviously we gave one up. So I don't know how likely that is. But again, if it's the right thing for us, which we felt like this one was, it certainly wouldn't rule it out.

Speaker 8:
[121:10] Elliot, how high was he on the board?

Speaker 1:
[121:12] We had a first-round grade on him.

Speaker 3:
[121:16] Elliot, can you take us through how you found out about Mike's decision not to take part on Day 3 and your reaction, and how is that going to work without him there?

Speaker 1:
[121:27] Yeah. I just referred to the statement. That's a personal thing that Mike's dealing with and going through, and obviously we support him. As far as the work is concerned on Saturday, not too worried about that, just as far as the process that we have in place, the people that we have in place, and it's going to be different without his presence there, but we feel really good about the people that we have in place to make up for it.

Speaker 3:
[121:53] Do you feel like you guys will be able to get in contact with him if anything arises?

Speaker 1:
[121:56] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[121:59] What will you be missing without Mike?

Speaker 1:
[122:03] The stability of him as a person, some of the leadership, some of the presence. He does a nice job for us with the undrafted players. Obviously, he's a tremendous recruiter. So that's maybe something that we'll be missing. But again, we're very confident in the people we have with the process. The assistant coaches have done a tremendous job, as have the scouts, preparing for Day 3. And we're excited about it.

Speaker 2:
[122:31] Well, you have on say on the picked Saturday?

Speaker 8:
[122:35] Yes.

Speaker 13:
[122:36] Caleb, you said that you canceled the 30 visit. What was that call with him like when you told him you guys were drafting him, considering?

Speaker 1:
[122:42] Oh, he was excited. I mean, he was excited. Actually, we have a cool feature in the draft room where we can take the draft board down and actually use FaceTime calls. So we FaceTimed him. He was at a big party with his family and had the opportunity to meet his wife on the FaceTime call. He was pretty excited. So that was cool. And as far as canceling a 30 visit, it's not uncommon. We try to get those scheduled beforehand just because the dance cards kind of fill up. And those are usually done through the agent.

Speaker 13:
[123:09] So I didn't know if you know, I was trying to give you a little bit of a time over that one.

Speaker 8:
[123:15] What did you learn about him as a person through the pre-draft process?

Speaker 1:
[123:19] Just a tremendously family-oriented. I mean, he's a young guy, 21 years old and he's married. So obviously a strong foundation through his parents and everything. And the people at Utah really spoke highly of his character and the things that he's all about.

Speaker 8:
[123:36] Mike has said he likes to get a feel for Lyman, as we know famously he did with Will last year. If he didn't come here for the 30 visit, did that happen? And what was Mike's feedback in that regard?

Speaker 1:
[123:47] I don't think Mike ever had the opportunity to put hands on him. I'm sure that'll be one of the first things that Mike does whenever he gets here. But no, we worked him out. We had scouts that worked him out that were there and all positives in that end.

Speaker 3:
[124:04] Final question.

Speaker 4:
[124:06] Elliot, can you realistically see him at 6 and a quarter playing inside a card?

Speaker 1:
[124:11] I think it's possible. Again, that's maybe one that we'll see a little bit more when he gets here. But just from a physical, athletic standpoint, I don't see a reason that he couldn't.

Speaker 3:
[124:21] Thank you, Eliot.

Speaker 1:
[124:22] Thanks.

Speaker 3:
[124:22] Thank you.

Speaker 4:
[124:24] All right.

Speaker 3:
[124:27] We're back.

Speaker 6:
[124:28] I was just relaxing.

Speaker 16:
[124:29] I was just like that at the end.

Speaker 6:
[124:32] Well, that was Eliot Wolf explaining the pick.

Speaker 4:
[124:36] Yeah.

Speaker 16:
[124:36] Well, interesting.

Speaker 6:
[124:38] Feels like it wasn't a pick of need. He was the best player available.

Speaker 1:
[124:42] Yeah.

Speaker 16:
[124:42] I went up to get him and I mean, interesting.

Speaker 6:
[124:44] What did I tell you?

Speaker 1:
[124:45] Yeah.

Speaker 16:
[124:45] No, Fred, you called it. I mean, we could cut the whole thing up. Probably be a pretty comical edit though with some of the stuff this guy said. But I think that the thing about getting the slide inside, that's a little interesting to me. I think usually when these picks happen, he comes out and you see all the things they like about him and all the potential, and it gets you excited about what they see in him and the potential he has. In a perfect world, the last two years, you just drafted your book and tackles for the next 10 years. In a perfect world, that's how it works out. Now, maybe next year, Mike Onwanyu leaves and he flies inside and we get another year out of Morgan Moses. Maybe it doesn't work out exactly like we're planning right now. But clearly, super athletic kid, great size. I do think the interesting thing though is that talked about Mike Vrabel's style and looking for guys who play with that grittiness and Rutledge went, and I'm like, that's a Vrabel guy. So that's an element that you don't really see from his game. He's not that violent finisher, which not everybody is going to be cookie cutter and exactly what you want. But I think the athleticism is really intriguing to me about what he's going to bring.

Speaker 6:
[125:45] And you talked about the two young on the outside, but you also have a young setter. So three-fifths of your line could be set for a while.

Speaker 16:
[125:53] Right, and if Vera Tucker can stay healthy, if this works out, next year you're going into the draft next year being like, maybe you got to replace on one, or maybe. But otherwise, if it all works out, you're pretty set with protection, and it goes back to...

Speaker 6:
[126:07] So then in 27 you can take advantage of this better draft.

Speaker 16:
[126:11] Right, but again, I'm just so taken by the value of the tackles. And I think we all, look, everybody knew who the seven were, and that they were all going to kind of go in this range, but even still it felt like they were even a tick above where you thought they might have go. Because that's the league now.

Speaker 6:
[126:26] All right, well, you know what I'm excited about? We'll be back tomorrow at 7 o'clock at the start of round two. So I think it was a successful night in terms of the show. And I think the Patriots hopefully are successful as well with their first round pick.

Speaker 16:
[126:44] I think tomorrow is the day the rubber meets the road.

Speaker 5:
[126:46] I mean, that's where you really can start getting some guys that can make an immediate impact. I think Lomu is probably, you know, a guy that I wasn't as high on as other people. Hopefully, they got it right and I got it wrong happens plenty. So that's definitely possible. But you know, I don't, you know, based off what they have with Morgan Moses, obviously, too, still here, even if I like the player, he probably wasn't going to play right away anyways. So tomorrow night is the night, you know, edge rusher, tight end potentially. They did give up 125, so they don't have two fourth round picks anymore. So we're in the spot now where they got to start getting some guys that are going to make this team better in 2026.

Speaker 16:
[127:29] All right.

Speaker 6:
[127:30] Well, that's it for Paul, Evan, Dussault, myself, Matt and Alex back behind the glass. We will see you tomorrow at seven o'clock Eastern time. Until then, pay some sleep.

Speaker 16:
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