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Speaker 1:
[00:05] So, holding the intact, the intact one, especially before he broke it apart, how much larger of a finger would this be compared to a normal person?

Speaker 2:
[00:16] Oh my gosh, they were larger than my fingers without flesh. Like I said, the deputy and me talked for 20 or 30 minutes about it, and then he called out the forensic guys. And then they were in agreement, yeah, they were fingers, I'm like, that's an awful big man.

Speaker 1:
[01:22] On this episode of iNTO THE FRAY, I welcome David on with me. He got in touch, and he has some Bigfoot stuff to talk about, which I am very, very excited. David, welcome on the show.

Speaker 2:
[01:35] Okay, thank you for having me.

Speaker 1:
[01:37] Now, David, I would actually like to begin with something that you and I were just talking about before we hit record here. And that is the fact that on your property, you found a very interesting couple of items. And I would like to, I only know a little bit of the story. You provided a photo even along with this. And it might be of interest to some folks listening. Let everybody know what you found.

Speaker 2:
[02:08] Well, I was out cleaning up the yard and the dogs at deer season, they go and drag up a lot of deer bones and carcasses. And it happens every year. And I was out picking them up so you don't run them over the lawn mower and throw them away. And I was just running along picking them up and leaving them in one area a lot of the time. And I reached out and picked up what I thought was just regular bones. And as soon as I throw them in the bag, I realized that it wasn't normal deer bones. It was two fingers. And I immediately took them back out and put them to the side. And I had a girlfriend here at the time, and I didn't want to alert her about it and stuff. So I didn't say anything to her. And I waited till the next day, and I called the deputy sheriff out. And he came out and looked. And he thought, yeah, these are fingers. And I'm like, this is awful big man. And anyway, he called the forensic guy out. And he had this other guy with him. And they started looking at him. And he's like, yes, these are fingers. You know, he said, where did they come from? I'm like, well, I just found them in the yard. I said, come on, let me know what happened. Excuse me. Anyway, he asked, where did they come? And I said, the dogs go down the road here to this dump down there. And people dump a lot of stuff in them. I assume maybe they come from down there. And so they took off with them and I didn't take any pictures of them. I wish I had, but I didn't. But they took off in a couple of days. The crime lab came down and all kinds of folks and they all went down there, stayed down there a couple, two, three days. And my neighbor's going, let's go down there and see what's going on. I'm like, mm-mm. I said, that's what's found in my yard. I'm already, you know, spoke at me down there a long time. I want my DNA down there. So I said, you go down there if you want to. And anyway, they finally left. A couple of weeks later, I hadn't heard anything. I saw I called this guy. And he told me, he said, well, oh, it was some kind of animal. He said, you didn't find the more of you. I said, well, no. And I said, what kind? I don't remember what kind of animal. He said, but you didn't find the more of you. And I'm like, no. And we've gone, it was over. And I actually kept that one little piece I showed you. Yeah, I found it a few days later.

Speaker 1:
[05:00] Let me pull the picture up here. So anybody watching on YouTube or my Patreon can see this, but it is, it looks like it's a bone or what could be a piece of a finger with what looks like some tissue attached, a little bit of dirt. And then David has placed a tape measure and then a quarter underneath the tape measure to give some extra size and scale perspective. So, I mean, talk a little bit about this photo, David. Is the thinking that that is the middle bone of a finger or is that a finger?

Speaker 2:
[05:41] I think that's the tip of the one that was missing. There was two, but one of them's tip was missing. When there was two that I took and give to those guys. And then the dogs came back up with that and I just noticed it was the same kind of thing. And I picked it back up and I didn't call the guy back. I just put it in the freezer.

Speaker 1:
[06:05] So you still got this piece?

Speaker 2:
[06:08] I haven't.

Speaker 1:
[06:09] Very interesting. So anybody out there watching, listening, if you have the means to do so, maybe you could get in touch with me and I could pass that along to David. And maybe there's some testing that could be done. I do wonder what they came up with as far as, you know, they said, well, it's not a person. Obviously, it sounds like they were worried it was. That's why they were down there for so many days, right? A missing person or a homicide of some sort. But then to come back and say, well, it was an animal, but they had already spent so much time thinking it was some kind of a person. So interesting.

Speaker 2:
[06:50] And that he couldn't remember what kind of animal.

Speaker 1:
[06:54] Yeah. Bet he could though, huh? I wonder.

Speaker 2:
[06:59] I just thought it was, I thought that was very odd. And then he asked me like two or three times, I hadn't found any more though, Emma. And if it was an animal, why would he care if I found any more?

Speaker 1:
[07:10] Right. Right. Good point. I mean, do you have any activity around your house at all? I mean, I know the area that you're in, you're in Arkansas right now. But of course, there's Bigfoot activity in Arkansas. But do you personally have any thoughts that there are any around your area now? Or back then when you found them?

Speaker 2:
[07:34] I don't now. I mean, I've heard one of my neighbors talk about when he was a kid, he lives across the road, down the road about a quarter mile. But he said back behind his house when he was a kid, there was something that had happened to him. But the only encounter I personally kind of had was in Louisiana.

Speaker 1:
[07:55] Yeah, we're about to go there. I can't wait to hear that one. So the fingers, though, the two that you found, were they fully intact at the time?

Speaker 2:
[08:03] One of them was totally intact, kind of. It still had tissue connected to it, but most of it had rotted away. But it was like that one, you could see there were still ligaments or something there. Yeah. They were totally together. And in fact, the guy that that forensic guy had brought with him got to messing with it and broke it apart. And you could tell they only moved one way. It wasn't like a tail. And, you know, everybody was in agreement they were fingers, you know.

Speaker 1:
[08:42] So holding the intact, the intact one, especially before he broke it apart, how much larger of a finger would this be compared to a normal person?

Speaker 2:
[08:53] Oh my gosh, they were larger than my fingers without flesh.

Speaker 1:
[09:03] Could you tell at all that the sheriff and then the forensic person, were they trying to kind of, you know, like play it cool, tamp down their, oh my gosh, what is this? It must have been strange for all of you guys to see, were they acting odd at all?

Speaker 2:
[09:22] Well, yeah, we stood out there and looked and talked about it for an hour, hour and a half out there in the driveway. Like I said, the deputy and me talked for 20 or 30 minutes about it, and then they, then he called out the forensic guys, and then they were in agreement. Yeah, they were fingers. I'm like, that's an awful big man. That's all I could think. I'm like, that is one big man. And I wish I took pictures of that, and I didn't. But like I said, that was other sizes, and that I think was the tip for the other one.

Speaker 1:
[09:58] And I'm not going to show this, of course, but David did provide me with the actual police report from that day when the sheriff came out after he found these fingers. So he did call some folks about this. It was strange enough for that. So thank you so much for sharing all that, David. All right, well, let's go back. This is a while back, right? About 40 years ago, David, to Louisiana.

Speaker 2:
[10:25] Yeah, I was living in Northwest Louisiana, and I was working a lot and I like to hunt. I've hunted my entire life. And I've always heard those stories about Bigfoot, and I just actually didn't believe it. It was kind of one of those things I figured they was telling us to keep us out of the woods so much. And anyway, I was back behind the house. I was living in a trailer park, and it was southwest of Shreveport. And there was a lot of woods that backed up to it. And that logging company had been back there logging for several days, and I was hating to see it because they were cutting some beautiful timber. And I was places I've been hunting before when they were gone. And anyway, it was shrinking. And I moved to a place that was over by a bough. And it was kind of late at night, and it had a single barrel shotgun with squirrel shot in it. And the shell swelled out in the barrel, so you really only had one shot and had to drop something in the barrel to get it out. So it was late, and I should have probably done been out of the woods. And I was watching the night sky against where the sun was setting and looking for squirrels running along the limb. And I don't know how to found them, but I was going to shoot one if I did. The leaves were real dry, and I'd been sitting there for, I don't know, about an hour with my back to this tree and the bough back behind me. I heard something come up on the other side, and it's dark now. And I'm just sitting there, and it comes through the water, and I can hear it trudging through the water, and I thought, this is big. I figured it was a deer, which I didn't normally see there very often. I thought it was odd. But it comes through the water, and it comes up on the side where I'm at. And I can hear water running off on the dry leaves. And it's not very long, about 30 seconds maybe. And this thing lets out a giant, something that went like, wow, and I mean loud. And I jumped to my feet and could not believe what I just heard. I'm absolutely stunned and kind of freaking out all of a sudden. And then it kind of gives them a little, and it does it again even louder. And I can feel this stuff go through my body. It was so loud. And I'm like, I don't know what to do. And I get nervous even talking about this now. But I turned and started to walk and something said, don't run, but that first step turned in to a run. And I start running and I'm trying to get out of these woods and I'm headed for a power line that I know is out there. And this thing's running behind me and I can hear it screaming and it's coming down. You know, and I'm running and I'm running in the stuff. And finally I get out into the opening where I can see a little bit. It's getting dark. And this black looking thing's in the edge of the woods and it grabs two trees probably about this big around six or eight foot apart and starts whipping the tops around like nothing and screaming again. I just take off and I start running down this road and I run till I get to this other road. And then it turns and goes by this big giant thicket where they've done cut years before and it's grown up. A bunch of briars of stuff and one thing I've ever seen in it was rabbits. And I run down this road till it gets to this concrete where they was going to put trailers and they never did do it. And it's way back to the back. And I get to this concrete road and I run about 50 yards to stop. And I turn around and I'm looking back to where I came from. And I don't see it. And all of a sudden it screams out. It's right here in this stick. It starts throwing stuff up in the air. It's like a bunch of brush and stuff and it starts hollering again. And it was enough that I took off and I ran all the way home. And my mom was at my house. And when I ran in, she was like, what's wrong with you? And I ran and grabbed a big pistol. And I scared it's going to follow me all the way to the house. And I was petrified. And I'm telling you, honestly, did not go in the woods for several years without a big handgun. I carried it under my shoulder illegally. I was scared. And it could have caught me looking back on it if it wanted to. But it wanted me out. And it changed my life to know that there was something out there like that.

Speaker 1:
[15:49] So in your mind, especially with the power that it was yelling at you, there was no way this could be a person. Beyond the trees and all this other stuff, but the scream along.

Speaker 2:
[16:01] I've encountered with bears and everything else, nothing like this. Absolutely nothing. This was like the UFO thing. You have to encounter it, I guess, yourself to understand and to really believe it. And I love to hunt even now, and I start thinking about it sometimes now when I go out. I don't like to think about it too much though, because I don't want to mess with my hunting.

Speaker 1:
[16:37] Yeah. I think that even for myself, it's like one of those, be careful what you wish for. Although you weren't wishing for that, you didn't even think Bigfoot was real until then.

Speaker 2:
[16:48] No, no different though. I can't tell you that, it spooked me.

Speaker 1:
[16:56] Yeah. Well, especially when, and I'm sure that it sounds like even then, you were pretty well-versed in firearms and what the squirrel gun or what was meant for a squirrel, what it could and could not do. So I'm sure that turning around and firing that gun, you thought there's no reason for me to do that. It's just going to piss it off.

Speaker 2:
[17:19] Well, the only way I was going to do is it was right on me. And now a squirrel gun at real close range would do a lot of damage from point-blank range. Don't think that it won't. A shotgun, a squirrel shot, a bullet didn't take about four part. But you have to be real close for a squirrel shot to do any effect like that. And I was waiting and it was right on me. It had been different. But yeah, I know I would not would not have shot it further than from, I mean, point-blank range. And I wouldn't even want to do that because with that kind of power, I don't think I don't know, you know. Yeah, well, I never heard anything that loud in my life. That's all I can tell you. It was like being at a rock concert and you can feel the vibration.

Speaker 1:
[18:15] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[18:16] Okay, it was it was like that.

Speaker 1:
[18:21] If you could guess how close do you think it was to you at its closest point? If you could guess, you may not know.

Speaker 2:
[18:31] When it was chasing me out of the woods, probably five, ten feet. Because I could hear hollering down and it was above me. It could have caught me if it wanted to, I'll tell you that.

Speaker 1:
[18:53] The area that you were actually sitting and squirrel hunting, is this public land, private property, you were allowed to hunt?

Speaker 2:
[19:01] I just went back there, I don't know who owned it at the time. I stood up, but I know they cut a bunch of it. There was some nice houses over on the other side. I mean, this was a place that I wouldn't have thought anything like that would have happened. I was hunting in places like Bodkow and places that if you thought you was going to run into it, you would. I never seen it. But the only time I had any counter was where I was talking about.

Speaker 1:
[19:31] Now, had you been in there before to walk through or hunt or anything?

Speaker 2:
[19:36] Sure.

Speaker 1:
[19:38] No weird feelings, nothing strange in there?

Speaker 2:
[19:42] No. I've had another weird feeling in another place, but I didn't see anything. It's just kind of the same feeling though.

Speaker 1:
[19:53] Do you recall? You may not, but were there any? And I know this is at night, but certain things still are loud at night. Do you recall things getting quiet before all this started?

Speaker 2:
[20:05] Yeah, it was it was unusually quiet before. I didn't even see a squirrel. And this was a place that I normally would tear them up. That's all. I didn't even see anything. The only thing I seen and heard was that. My mother, her reaction, she says, go back out there and kill it. And I'm like, hoo hoo. I don't know if she just thought I was joking or what, but I mean, I was absolutely shaking in my boobs. I'm not kidding.

Speaker 1:
[20:43] Do you remember what you said to her though? Did you say, there's a monster outside? There's something, I don't even know what it is outside? What did you say to her?

Speaker 2:
[20:53] I said, I think it's Bigfoot.

Speaker 1:
[20:55] Oh, you did?

Speaker 2:
[20:56] Yes. I said, I think it was Bigfoot. And I think that's when she was thinking I was joking, she said, go back out there and kill it kind of thing. But she was living down in Big Thicket and said she had some kind of something hollered down there that scared her at her window. And now she's kind of playing film about it.

Speaker 1:
[21:22] She was in the Big Thicket and that happened, huh? A lot goes on in the Big Thicket.

Speaker 2:
[21:29] Well, that's where they were living at the time. She's back here now.

Speaker 1:
[21:34] Yeah, have you in the subsequent years, you know, with internet and forums and websites like BFRO, where people can add things into a database, have you gone back to see in that area how busy it is with Bigfoot activity reported?

Speaker 2:
[21:54] No, ma'am. I haven't. You know, I was driving for Emory Worldwide at the time and drove right through Falc almost every day, which was like what, 68, maybe 80 miles to the north where I was at. I know that there's a lot of people that have sightings in that area. I don't know why. I just, I really did think for a long time it was just, you know, a bunch of garbage because nobody ever killed one of them or come up with one of them. That was, you know, I just don't think there's a bunch of them, but I do know that there was one 40 years ago where I was at.

Speaker 1:
[22:47] So you've said a couple times, and I agree with you, that if it wanted to, it easily could have grabbed you, taken you, nobody probably would have been the wiser. Do you, in your opinion, you don't know, nobody knows for sure, but do you think that there's a chance that there are some rogue bigfoot out there that are grabbing people for whatever reason? Probably food, but who knows?

Speaker 2:
[23:13] I don't know, I found it very odd, I didn't see deer in that area. I seen one deer in the, I lived at that spot for three or four years, and I hunted back there a lot, and seen one deer the entire time. I thought that was odd. I mean, just normal Louisiana, I mean, there are deer everywhere.

Speaker 1:
[23:44] Did you ever go back out to that particular spot ever?

Speaker 2:
[23:49] I went back out, but it took a little bit. I didn't do it at the edge of the door.

Speaker 1:
[23:56] Yeah. I bet you didn't. My goodness. See, there's a brown pants moment right there, folks. How close were the other houses? Like how much of a swath of forest and river, whatever it was, a canal, how big was that area?

Speaker 2:
[24:14] It wasn't that big. It may be 20 or 30 feet across the place I was at. I looked at it on the satellite since and it looks like they dug a canal that goes around or something. Now, it wasn't like that whenever I was there, but they dug some big canal around, I guess to divert some of that water. They had a lot of flooding problems at that place. But it was, like I say, only 20 or 30 feet across. The houses wouldn't probably a quarter mile to half mile away on another direction. I'm talking about some nice houses too. It's not a place I would have expected to happen, that's all. If I expected that, I'd expected it like a bog, some in other places.

Speaker 1:
[25:15] So if you were a Bigfoot, if we're thinking from a Bigfoot's perspective, if we can just pretend that we can. If you wanted to stay hidden and without being within, I don't know, 50 feet of a house, could you stay, hop forest to forest, or well, swath of trees, I should say, not forest. Could you stay hidden in a way if you wanted to? I mean, how rural was it back then?

Speaker 2:
[25:45] Well, it was more rural, I'm sure, than it is now. I hadn't been down there in a long time.

Speaker 1:
[25:50] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[25:51] It evidently had to see well. Look, I was sitting on the ground with my back to it, leaning up against a tree too. And I often wonder, cause I didn't get up and turn or nothing. And you know, I mean, did it see me or did it smell me? I mean, cause I was just sitting on the ground looking to the west, you know, looking at the top of these trees. But it comes directly up behind me and I, and I wasn't moving. And I often wonder how it knew I was there to do that. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[26:24] I wonder if almost it came upon you and you surprised it in some sort of a way. Like maybe it didn't know you were there until it kind of came up on you and it just, it screamed like that out of surprise and anger. And it got you to move, that's for sure.

Speaker 2:
[26:41] Yeah, I don't know. I thought what they'd always, would always talk about it. I just, I thought it was mad because all the trees had got cut. And I wasn't happy about it either. But, you know, that was what was in my mind that it was just mad about it gone. And took some of its aggression out toward me. But I mean, it really could have hurt me. God, I mean, it, you know, incredible. The strength was incredible. And, you know, I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[27:23] I can't imagine after the screams, you seeing it shake the trees the way that it did must have that that must have been so humbling.

Speaker 2:
[27:33] It was awakening. You know, I just couldn't believe something was that strong like that. And I knew it wasn't a person. A bear don't do nothing like that. I mean, you know, that's why I told my mother, I said, Bigfoot, I was scared to follow me to the house. That's what I was scared. I didn't sleep all night long.

Speaker 1:
[27:59] So once you get home and you tell your mom, like Bigfoot's outside, you know, this is a problem. You had a bigger gun, you had your big pistol. Did you actually go out on the porch or go outside that night?

Speaker 2:
[28:12] No, Lord, no.

Speaker 1:
[28:14] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[28:17] No, I stayed in the house. Just hoping I didn't have to use it. I'm just telling you, there was other trailers too that was there. But I mean, you know, it followed me the way it did. You know, I know it probably watched where I went. So.

Speaker 1:
[28:37] I do wonder, and I don't blame you for staying inside by the way, but I do wonder, since it's about a half a mile, right? From where that happened to where you ran to your house. I do wonder other people had to have heard that and gone, what in the actual heck fire is going on out here? I bet other people though came outside.

Speaker 2:
[28:58] I wondered that a lot myself. And I know others had to have heard that. Yes, same thing. I always wondered the same thing in that other neighborhood and in that trailer park.

Speaker 1:
[29:12] Yeah. Because it sounded like it was incredibly loud.

Speaker 2:
[29:17] And I mean, it wasn't like normal.

Speaker 1:
[29:22] So is there any part of you that wishes you would have seen it?

Speaker 2:
[29:32] Well, sort of, yeah. I do. But it was so dark. But just hearing it was enough. I mean, you know, I've had some real success with the filming of stuff, which I sent you something about. And, you know, for the longest time, nobody actually, you know, actually believed it and said, you know, I was making it up, all this kind of stuff. So I made it a personal task to capture that stuff on video. And once I did, the person that actually pissed me off enough that I was going to get this stuff, I had never, ever told him that I have all this now. And, you know, like I say, it's been authenticated. And I sent you something about that. But even if I had a camera at that time that night, there would have been no way I could have tried to capture that on film. I was too scared. That's all I can tell you.

Speaker 1:
[30:44] You know what? That, I'm looking back at our chat in Facebook Messenger, and you did say, can you receive video? And I didn't get back to you. I mean, for a long time, you got in touch with me back in 2016, and then we didn't touch base again for a while. So I don't know if I don't think that I've ever got an email from you, David. Are there? So I didn't get the video. Sorry. That's what I'm trying to say. But and that was partially my fault because obviously I didn't I didn't get back to you then at that point with that particular message. Do you have these videos online anywhere? A YouTube channel and anything like that? Or if you wanted to?

Speaker 2:
[31:31] Actually, well, they're on Mufon's home channel. And one of them has been authenticated by Mark D'Antonio. It's on TMZ. If you look up on TMZ Russell Crowe UFO, they used one of my videos there at the bottom of that. It's called Presidents Day UFO.

Speaker 1:
[32:02] Now, do you subscribe to calling UFOs in or do you just go out and see what you can see?

Speaker 2:
[32:13] I can call them in.

Speaker 1:
[32:14] You can. Do you use the... I guess you can call it all CE5. That's what I do. I just blanket it all. But it's not all CE5. What's your protocol if you don't mind sharing that?

Speaker 2:
[32:28] Well, I just say, where you guys at? And then they start showing up.

Speaker 1:
[32:36] What do they look like? What do the craft look like?

Speaker 2:
[32:40] Most of the time, they're just the orbs. I mean, they look like many suns. If you'll look at the video, I sent you just like that. Most of them, a couple of triangles and stuff. But I've got some that's in the daytime, like a cigar, that type of thing.

Speaker 1:
[33:05] Yeah, I apologize. I thought you meant a Bigfoot video. So I was looking for that. So you did send me the UFO video.

Speaker 2:
[33:12] If I had the film, I couldn't have shot a Bigfoot.

Speaker 1:
[33:15] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[33:17] I was too scared that night.

Speaker 1:
[33:19] Oh, no, not that night.

Speaker 2:
[33:20] Even if I had a camera, I couldn't have done it.

Speaker 1:
[33:22] No, not that night. No, not at all. And I'm hesitant to share a video that's on TMZ or anything on this. I don't want to get in any kind of trouble or flagged or anything. But I can link that video so that people can check that out. So, David, does that mean that growing up or anything, did you have any kind of missing time or did you see any beings? Have you always seen UFOs?

Speaker 2:
[33:49] Yeah, I've always seen them. And yes, there's missing time. Yes. I have a friend who was with me on one occasion, and it's quite a story. And he doesn't like to talk about it, though.

Speaker 1:
[34:12] Would you mind sharing that?

Speaker 2:
[34:15] Sure, if you'd like. Yeah. Okay. We were fishing, jug fishing. And we was out in what's called slack water. It was an old river channel. They closed off one end and it's a big giant, about 12 or 13 mile backwater. So there's really no current up in it. We had out, I don't know, about 20 of these jugs. It had black reflective tape on it. So you could see them for a long way with your spotlight. And it was about probably one o'clock, 1.30 in the morning. And I noticed that this thing was coming down the channel there. And this channel is probably a quarter to a half mile wide. And, you know, it goes, like I say, you know, a big old, makes a big U shape. And first I thought it was a helicopter. And my buddy, he was like, flying off low. Yeah. And it just kept coming. And I said, man, that's not a helicopter. And he said, what is it? I said, I don't know, but it's not making any noise. And it comes flying right up there and it gets right over top of us and stops. And it scares the out of me. And I immediately, I'm in the front of the boat and I start paddling because I want to get to the bank. Cause this thing's, it's kind of warm, you know? And anyway, paddling real hard trying to get to the bank and he goes, look at it. And I turned around and it's just kind of right here. And then the next thing I know, I'm sitting in the center of the boat and he's sitting in the back and then we watch it as it looks like a ball bouncing off. And he goes, what was that? And I said, I don't know, but I'm just glad it's gone. And anyway, I was like extremely tired all of a sudden. And I'm like, man, and now the boat motors don't work. And the tow motor's not working. And I'm drained and the flashlights work, but they wouldn't work well. And all these jugs that was just right here beside us and around us, they're like a half mile that way and a quarter mile that way. And they're just strolled out everywhere. And it was, they were just right there. And my buddy goes, that thing stole our jugs. And I'm like, no, it didn't still run. I said, I see them way out there. And anyway, I'm said, we can't go get them if the boat motor's not running. And so we paddled back to the bank, barely could load the boat up. And I looked at the thing at my clock, and it was almost 5 o'clock. And the sun's about to come up, and I don't remember driving home. I don't remember if I took him home. I don't remember anything after that. It was just, I don't know what happened. We wasn't drinking. You know, I don't know what happened. But that's a missing time there, and these jugs, they were just strolled everywhere. And it's like we'd been gone for hours. It happened, it seemed like 10 or 15 seconds.

Speaker 1:
[38:08] So it sounds about four hours gone.

Speaker 2:
[38:12] Something like that.

Speaker 1:
[38:15] And your friend never, ever wanted to speak about this ever.

Speaker 2:
[38:19] He, when he talks about it, he, he gets upset. And he said, yeah, I said, thanks to old our jugs, but he doesn't want to talk about it. It upsets him.

Speaker 1:
[38:30] Yeah. Because yeah, the jugs are in a different place. But what about what happened to you guys, right?

Speaker 2:
[38:39] I don't, I had some kind of weird memories about that too. But you know, I don't know if their memories are just a dream or something. I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[38:50] What kind of things can you recall from it?

Speaker 2:
[38:54] Me trying to want to get away and like, like people inside little cubes or something. I don't know. It was something I didn't, I really don't want to talk about it. It was kind of disturbing. What, what if I remember about it, you know.

Speaker 1:
[39:16] And when the craft was over you, you said you felt a little warmth from it.

Speaker 2:
[39:27] I was scared. I was actually even thinking about jumping in the water because of it.

Speaker 1:
[39:36] I wonder if once you had that thought, if that's when things clicked in to where you weren't gonna be thinking about a whole lot anymore.

Speaker 2:
[39:47] I don't know. I remember looking at the bank, which probably had to be less than a quarter mile, and an eighth of a mile to the edge over. This thing was so bright, I could make out details of sticks and twigs and stuff over there. Because you couldn't even look at it. It was like looking at the sun or maybe a welding torch, I mean, a welding going on. It was so bright, you couldn't look hardly at it.

Speaker 1:
[40:24] So then after this happened, even though it frightened you, you got interested enough to want to film them and make more contact with them?

Speaker 2:
[40:36] Yeah. That's what happened.

Speaker 1:
[40:42] And so how did this video, did you send it to TMZ or did they see it online somewhere and get in contact with you?

Speaker 2:
[40:55] No, hun, what happened with that was I didn't know who to trust. And at the time, I was scared because, you know, this stuff was happening and there's another one called Zigzag is mine too. That was one of my first real successes in 2001, I caught Zigzag. And that's the one that got attention to the director at MUFON whenever I called him. And I sent this to him. And so we had personal contact, me and him, and he started putting me within people like within Mac, Bruce Bankby and stuff, you know, contact with folks like that. And I was sending him stuff like that. And he was sending back comments of like, was it somebody shooting at somebody? Cause there's some of them were running objects flying in and you can clearly see what either looks like a missile or something that flies through and this object stops and comes running back away from it. So Bruce McAbee was like, is it, who's shooting at who here? It's kind of odd. There's a whole bunch of different stuff that I've called.

Speaker 1:
[42:16] Have you ever been nervous to call them in because what if this missing time incident happened again?

Speaker 2:
[42:27] It probably already has. I mean, but when I was younger, I was more worried about it. But I'm at this point in my life, I'm 63 years old. I'm not too much worried about it, all that anymore. I, of course, want to live, but I'm not concerned about dying. You don't know what they're going to do is the biggest thing. It's like the Bigfoot thing. You know, in the Bible, it says, ye all walk through the valley of shadow, death, fear no evil. Well, I forgot that part that night with Bigfoot. You know, you're not supposed to be scared of this. So, and I try not to be. And I have folks who are, you know.

Speaker 1:
[43:20] Well, David, I think that your reaction, what happened in the woods that night is extremely acceptable. And I think people can understand that. I certainly can. So, one more thing about the fishing trip. How old were you on that fishing, on that night with the fishing trip with your friend?

Speaker 2:
[43:42] About 29 or 30. It was either 91 or 92. I don't think it was 93. I think it was 92, though.

Speaker 1:
[43:54] Do you still go out and call them in?

Speaker 2:
[43:58] I hadn't done it in a while. I see there's a guy on Facebook there that's doing it a lot. I mean, he's doing this as well. Same kind of stuff that I did. Chris Bledsoe. I hadn't done it in a while. I just hadn't done it.

Speaker 1:
[44:29] Do you get any kind of an inclination of who or what is piloting the UFOs, what it's tied to? Is it us from the future? Is it angels? What do you think about it?

Speaker 2:
[44:44] I think it's a mixture of a whole bunch of things. I think you've got angels. I think you got demons. I think you got, you know, you got crabs in the ocean. I mean, there's all kind of stuff everywhere you look and there's life everywhere. And all those points out there have probably all kinds of life teaming. And you don't know what's in some of this stuff. There's no telling what God's made out there, you know.

Speaker 1:
[45:15] Have you ever, do you ever go out when you were doing this regularly? Would you ever go out and they wouldn't come in?

Speaker 2:
[45:24] Yeah, whenever I've had people that they didn't want to show up for.

Speaker 1:
[45:27] Ah, so it depended on who you were around and their belief level or skepticism, whatever it might be, right?

Speaker 2:
[45:35] Yeah, something along those lines. I had one guy and his wife who came out like eight or ten times and I tried to call them in and they would not show up. And he got to the point, he's like, man, come on. I'm like, well, you know, they did one last time, said, we're going to come one more time. And they came out and they was just fixing to leave. And they said, okay. And we're going to go and say, I guess it's just not going to show up for y'all. And then they showed up. And then they showed up in droves when they did. And it was like, they were just amazed then. I'm like, well, you know, I guess they're finally going to show up themselves to you. But you know, I didn't think they were.

Speaker 1:
[46:20] It is interesting that it was their last time. They're like, we'll give you one more try. And then they actually showed up on the last time. Right.

Speaker 2:
[46:32] But I just thought they wasn't going to show up for them for whatever reason, you know.

Speaker 1:
[46:37] Is it easier if you're just by yourself? Have you found that?

Speaker 2:
[46:41] Oh yes, much easier. I've got a buddy that he was out here, tried to just, just claim me and had a bunch of friends. They were all waiting on his text that this is a bull. And man, he seemed about 20 that night. And he was texting back, you know, how he couldn't believe it. And then next thing you know, he become a regular out here with me. And he has a story about Bigfoot too, I think. But.

Speaker 1:
[47:16] Are they more orbs or points of light or do you ever see actual craft?

Speaker 2:
[47:25] Most of them are just orbs. I've seen actual craft. There's a couple of them I can send you. If you want to see them, there's some daytime and stuff. But most of them's orbs. I've seen them as small as like a basketball, like out in the yard. You know, nobody's in that.

Speaker 1:
[47:48] It feels like the size of like a little ball lightning just moving across the yard.

Speaker 2:
[47:54] Yeah, but it moves erratically and really fast. And it looks like a little mini sun. It's just like a mini version of our sun. Most of the time, they're green looking. The greenish are blue to tan. Sometimes they're amber kind of, or a little golden. Sometimes they turn red, but most of the time they're green kind of a color. And they move real erratic though. They'll speed so fast across the yard and just stop and then fly up and stuff and they're gone. I got a little bit of that on video, but most of the time when I see that, I don't have a camera going or something. And I hadn't seen that in a while, so.

Speaker 1:
[48:42] David, do you find that if you try to film them, they either A, will not come in, or if they do and then you try to film them, will they just shoot off or disappear?

Speaker 2:
[48:53] I've done some of that and I've got some of that on film. It's interesting that you're bringing some of that up because I got into doing some of that. They don't like infrared. I'll tell you that. You do better if you run a PVS system on it. If you use infrared, especially if they show up and then you turn it on, man, you have bad reactions from them. I think they think it's a weapon system coming online.

Speaker 1:
[49:27] That's an interesting thought and that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 2:
[49:35] That's what I think they think, because that's the reactions I've got. I've actually had the guy who was saying, please quit doing that. I'm like, man, I'm getting some good reactions that showing that because he was like their satellites or something, because it kind of looked like a satellite. And then you do that and then they turn, you know, they're not.

Speaker 1:
[49:57] But you've never been frightened of them coming in. You've not worried that you're going to wake up and there's going to be something standing at the end of your bed tied to this.

Speaker 2:
[50:08] I can't say I hadn't worried about it. You can't say I don't I don't worry about Bigfoot again, you know?

Speaker 1:
[50:16] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[50:16] I just deal with it. I mean, I'm not going to quit hunting, you know? Just it's just the way my life's been. It's been interesting. I'll tell you that.

Speaker 1:
[50:31] Well, I'm glad that you didn't stop hunting. We've heard and I know that you've heard them too. A lot of the stories where people have these horrible experiences with Bigfoot, even if they were going out to look for Bigfoot and it, you know, it changes everything that they love to do and they stop doing it, which I don't blame them either. I'm not making fun of them. But I'm glad that in your case, that you just kind of stuck with it and said, no, I'll just take out a bigger gun just in case. I like that.

Speaker 2:
[50:58] I don't do that now, but I did do that. I mean, religiously carried a big.45 for probably two, three years. Sure did.

Speaker 1:
[51:12] Well, was there anything else that you wanted to add in, David?

Speaker 2:
[51:17] Nothing that I know of. I mean, anything that you wanted to know, I was telling you.

Speaker 1:
[51:23] Well, I appreciate you being willing to share that UFO experience as well. And I will link everything in the show notes that you brought up. I did see that link to the TMZ article and all of that. I didn't realize that that was... That's what that was. I apologize. But yeah, I will link all of that. And then any videos that you want to send me that you're okay sharing, I'll make sure to link those too and place those in. And let me show this one more time. That is the strange bone that was found on his property in Arkansas. So if anybody, you know, you want to reach out, if you have resources that you do that kind of a thing, get in touch with me, Shannon, at iNTO THE FRAY RADIO or any of my socials. David, thank you so much for being willing to come on. And we've been chatting for a long time, so it's so nice to finally meet you and talk with you.

Speaker 2:
[52:15] Good to see you. Nice to meet you as well, Shannon.

Speaker 3:
[55:04] I find that the Zen people, for example, are quite divided on us. They will say, no, we don't believe literally in reincarnation. Well, TS. Eliot has the same idea in his poem, The Four Quartets, where he says, when you settle down in the train to read your newspaper and so on, you are not the same person who a little while ago lived on the platform. If you think you are, you are linking your moments up in the chain, and this is what binds you to the wheel of birth and death. But when you know that every moment in which you are is the only moment, this comes into zain, the master will say to somebody, get out of the walk across the room, and he comes back and says, where are your footprints? They've gone. So where are you? Who are you? When we are asked who we are, we usually give a kind of recitation of a history.