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Speaker 9:
[03:00] It's cut it off too short.

Speaker 1:
[03:04] How's it going tonight, Canada? Oh, my God, wow, I got to sit down, are we okay? No, no, and who are we mad at? Is this going to be like a new Mike White thing? Like, yeah, well, I am so thrilled to be here with a thousand people here in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. We have a great show here for you tonight and I'm so excited to talk about all this survivor, even though we didn't love the outcome, we have a lot to break down. And so we are blessed here to have one of your great Canadian winners here with us. My great friend, Marion Okich is here. Sit next to me. Sit next to me.

Speaker 10:
[04:18] Perfect.

Speaker 9:
[04:21] Marion, how are you?

Speaker 10:
[04:22] I'm devastated. You know, for some lore, my first season was David versus Goliath, and I immediately fell in love with Christian, and then I've got to know him, and now he's gone in such a brutal way. Oh my goodness. I am so sad.

Speaker 1:
[04:39] Yeah. It was tough on a number of different levels that Christian looks so sad, that he had the indignity of having to vote for himself, and then ultimately went out, and it did seem like a blind side. Let me start off by asking you that, do you feel like that the Jimmy Fallon twist caused this?

Speaker 10:
[05:02] Oh my goodness. I think that, and to go a little bit science-y on you, I think the Jimmy Fallon twist was the enzyme, you know? So enzymes, for people who don't know, kind of speeds chemical reactions. So instead of something taking five minutes, it takes five seconds. So I think that the pieces moving for Christian to be booted were already being put in place, but with the Jimmy Fallon twist giving him this vote that everyone knew he had, it made it maybe from happening maybe at the next tribe, or the next two tribals to this tribal.

Speaker 1:
[05:37] Yeah, that's a good theory. My thought on it is that, and maybe you're right, maybe that they were gonna put more of the votes on Rick, and he was gonna be the backup vote, and then Rick Devens when he doesn't have an actual idol is gonna get out of the game, and people are gonna be like, stupid Devens didn't play his idol, tried to bluff us. But maybe the extra vote on Christian helped make it be him. But I think even if he did that puzzle on the journey, and he puts a vote in the urn for Ozzy, I think he probably still goes home in this episode.

Speaker 10:
[06:17] You know, I'm gonna be like an American, and when I hear something I don't like, just pretend it actually never was heard.

Speaker 1:
[06:25] Wait, we do that? We do that?

Speaker 10:
[06:28] I hear, I hear-

Speaker 1:
[06:28] When did we ever do that?

Speaker 3:
[06:31] We never did that.

Speaker 10:
[06:32] But I do have to-

Speaker 1:
[06:33] I'm gonna pretend I didn't hear that.

Speaker 10:
[06:37] Yeah, I can't say that, I can't say with my full conscious that if the Jimmy Fallon twist didn't happen, Christian would be here another day. But I also can't say the Jimmy Fallon twist wasn't, wasn't a catalyst for a part of this, you know?

Speaker 1:
[06:51] I just don't think that this was necessarily like, I don't think that this was a game-breaking to say. And we just watched the episode, I don't know what the response is gonna be. I know the audience, you didn't like it, right? But if somebody you didn't like, if a person you didn't like, and I'm not gonna say names, ended up, if that person got voted out, would you like this? So it's hard to say because you're biased.

Speaker 10:
[07:22] I like a self-aware audience, though, you know?

Speaker 1:
[07:24] Yeah, but it's okay.

Speaker 10:
[07:25] It's like we were, I can't lie. I was like, I love the Phoenix Coconuts, I love the coconut sari with the coconut twist, you know? So you love it when it happens to the people you love, you hate it when it happens to the people you love. I think I mixed it up. I got lost somewhere.

Speaker 1:
[07:40] That's okay. I'd love to just talk a little bit about Christian as we look back at what he did in this season, because he had a great run, right? And only one person is going to win the game. But I really think that he came in and he did so much. And I think that he really elevated his status as a survivor player to go from like one of the great quirky characters to, I think he's really on that like elite level of, not necessarily as one of the greatest players of all time, but just like a top of my all time character that's ever been on the show.

Speaker 10:
[08:20] I agree. I agree completely. Yeah. Clap if you agree.

Speaker 1:
[08:27] Not everybody can be an all time character and the winner too.

Speaker 10:
[08:31] He was, oh thank you. No. But the question was great. And then I think that a blessing as well for us, the viewers was that he went to every single tribal and pre-merge. So we got to see a lot of him, which I know that was, at least for me, I'm like, oh, I get to see him every week. And now, even though he's gone, it's like when you finish a piece of cake and it was a perfect size. You're like, I wish I had more cake, but I'm happy with the cake that I've had.

Speaker 1:
[08:58] Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[08:59] Or a macaroon.

Speaker 1:
[09:00] Yeah. In honor of Christian. You know, his story, I think, also bookends in a very poetic way because we first meet Christian in Survivor David versus Goliath on the boat in the opening challenge. And what does he do in the introduction to us? A puzzle. And ultimately a puzzle in a way is part of the ending to his story. So I do think that there is some symmetry there in terms of like how he came into Survivor and how he probably goes out, but you never know if he plays again. But for now, certainly a bookend to his story. And it was such an emotional moment for him when he didn't end up doing it. Because I think that we all thought when he walked onto that barge and you saw a puzzle and you were like, yes, this is in Christian's wheelhouse.

Speaker 5:
[10:00] He's got this.

Speaker 1:
[10:01] I bet he was thinking that too.

Speaker 10:
[10:04] Yeah, I know walking. I'm like, oh yeah, I mean, what adventure is he gonna get? I'm like, oh it's Jimmy Fallon. I'm like, oh, he's gonna get this vote. I wonder how, and I was already in my mind thinking about, oh, who's he gonna vote for? Is it gonna be Ozzy? Is he gonna do another shot of the dark thing? Like, is he, like, and then in my mind he already won. And I think it was, and it was that sadness of him losing as well too. And I know, and I'm assuming that everyone in the audience here wasn't like, Christian, you idiot, you lost. It was like, oh, I'm so sorry, but I understand how it can happen.

Speaker 1:
[10:33] Yeah, well, you don't lose things, but I can tell you, I can tell you as somebody who's lost a few times, like I know that I really resonated with that so much about that lesson that he wants to impart on his son Michael, and he talked about him there and in his closing words of, it's not what happens to you, when I wish I could remember exactly what he said, when the bad things happen to you, it's how you respond to it, that really he wants to impart. I think it's just a great lesson to take away, because so much of survivor is defeat and pain. Again, you don't know, but it is, it is. And so many of these survivors are dealing with these wounds and scars from their other times, and it is how do you respond to it?

Speaker 10:
[11:22] Yeah, I never want to challenge, so I have experienced loss.

Speaker 1:
[11:27] You were on Jonathan's tribe also.

Speaker 10:
[11:30] But yes, thank you Jonathan, thank you. But what I do feel and really appreciate is when you have that rock bottom, because you have rock bottom on Survivor, and then with Christian, it's like he hit his rock bottom and the camera zooms in. And it's like, you have, and it's like now it's not just you feeling that, it's like you are feeling it and experiencing it and know that what, five million people are going to be seeing that experience. And the way he was able to articulate himself, being like, oh my goodness, it's the worst feeling ever. I just lost and now it's going to be bad for my game. But now I'm also thinking about how people are going to see the loss. He handled that so well.

Speaker 1:
[12:07] I thought he was going to be safe. I really did. I thought it was going to be the kind of thing where this was going to be a blessing in disguise, where he was going to have a vote on him and he came back. And I thought in a way it was an advantage that rather than him coming back with a mystery item of like, what does Christian have? What is he up to? And that we got a pile of votes on him because he has something. He was able to come back and say, look, guys, I lost my vote. Or I'm voting for myself tonight. And then I think that when everybody was looking Christian, I thought there was maybe an opportunity that they were going to go in a different direction. And I think he thought that too. And I think he got played hard ultimately by certainly Suri, probably Tiffany, probably Aubrey. I think he was acting at that tribal council in a way like he felt like he was safe. Yeah, I think so he was being a little silly at tribal council.

Speaker 10:
[12:58] I think he was being angry with Jimmy Fallon understandably. So talking and then also the tribal Suri and Aussie were great where it's like, oh, we can go for the low hanging fruit or we can play Survivor. But too little did Christian know that Survivor was the low hanging fruit today.

Speaker 1:
[13:15] I got faked out. I thought this was going to be Emily Flippen going home.

Speaker 10:
[13:20] Yeah, I just I was just discombobulated because every name that came out of someone's mouth was someone I was rooting or liked. So it was like either it's Emily's bad, Christian horrible, Devon's bad, Ozzy horrible. So I'm like, no matter what happens, I will be sad in some sort of level. And I think for me, we got the saddest option.

Speaker 1:
[13:42] Yeah, this was tough to see him go. I think ultimately it's Christian who pays the price after the Rick and Christian idol fake. I think that last week, I think that Coach and Chrissy were going home anyway. And while it was great theater that they did that, I think ultimately we might say that there's a lesson to be learned. And the other survivors don't like it when you do these types of things.

Speaker 10:
[14:11] Yeah, especially when in a returning season, I know that some people are also thinking about not just the game, but the air time as well too. And so that might have been a factor for some people that were playing the game and might not have loved that theatrics because it might have been interpreted as you're playing for screen time.

Speaker 1:
[14:29] Right, right. I think that for Rick and Chris, I think in hindsight, I think that it's sort of like the Jurassic Park question of you asked yourself whether or not you could do this, but you didn't ask yourself whether or not you should do this. And I think that they were safe. I think that Seree had flipped the vote and then they made it about them in that moment.

Speaker 11:
[14:50] Again, we loved it.

Speaker 1:
[14:52] It was great theater, but the other players all didn't like it.

Speaker 10:
[14:55] Yeah, I think it's really about that. Are you willing to go and take a step back in your game? And then Rick, especially if we look at 38, he loves playing from the bottom. He loves going and for a lack of better term, he's like a power bottom. I'm like, when he's at the bottom, that's when he does his best work, you know? He's able to go, have his theatrics. And this was the first time in the season when he felt like he was on the bottom, and he just went right back to his 38th.

Speaker 1:
[15:35] I didn't know you knew what that was.

Speaker 10:
[15:39] I'm well learned.

Speaker 1:
[15:41] You are. Okay, all right. What? It's getting hot. Okay, we have here no better person to eulogize our fallen friend Dr. Christian Hubecky than his long time partner in crime. Please welcome Gabby Pescusi is here. Gabby, how are you?

Speaker 12:
[16:21] Not good, Rob. Not good.

Speaker 1:
[16:26] You don't think Mike White is celebrating tonight, right?

Speaker 12:
[16:29] I heard he's throwing a party to gloat about.

Speaker 1:
[16:31] He's throwing a party, and we know who's not invited. All right, so Gabby, how are you doing tonight?

Speaker 12:
[16:40] I have never hated a late night host more than I hate Jimmy Fallon tonight.

Speaker 1:
[16:51] You blame Jimmy.

Speaker 12:
[16:53] I'm blaming Jimmy.

Speaker 1:
[16:54] Yeah.

Speaker 12:
[16:55] Yeah.

Speaker 10:
[16:59] Wait, I just want to get the record straight. Wasn't your season, and you guys can fact check me, the first season without swimsuits.

Speaker 9:
[17:05] Yeah.

Speaker 10:
[17:06] And wasn't that also Jimmy Fallon?

Speaker 1:
[17:08] No, no, no. I think that was Tyler Perry.

Speaker 9:
[17:10] I think that was Tyler Perry.

Speaker 12:
[17:11] Tyler Perry. Easily mixed up. Easily mixed up.

Speaker 1:
[17:15] Yeah. Yeah. That was Tyler Perry.

Speaker 12:
[17:18] I'm fine if we want to blame Jimmy Fallon for everything bad that's ever happened on Survivor.

Speaker 10:
[17:21] I hear he cut it to 26 days.

Speaker 1:
[17:24] Yeah. You know, Jimmy Fallon did invent one thing previously on Survivor that he invented the Robin Sandra booth in season 39.

Speaker 12:
[17:37] I don't get it.

Speaker 10:
[17:38] He did.

Speaker 1:
[17:38] That's not a joke. He did. He did?

Speaker 9:
[17:40] Yeah.

Speaker 12:
[17:42] He's just full of great ideas.

Speaker 9:
[17:44] He's got a lot of ideas.

Speaker 1:
[17:46] He's got a lot of ideas. I thought this was supposed to be in the hands of the fans.

Speaker 9:
[17:49] This is like a lot of like celebrities. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[17:54] Okay. But Gabby, back to you. Is there a question? I just take us, take us through your emotions tonight.

Speaker 12:
[18:05] I've got notes. My emotions today, I don't need notes for this. I'm actually pissed.

Speaker 1:
[18:13] I'm pissed.

Speaker 12:
[18:14] No one can come for Christian Hubecky except for me. Yes. Certainly not Jimmy Fallon. I am very disappointed that we don't know whether his game would have turned out better if this twist hadn't happened. I loved your analogy with the enzyme. Yeah, it was really good. And I definitely knew how an enzyme worked before you said that. I think Christian played a great game. I'm really proud of him. And I'm glad that he seemed like he had fun most of the season until the incident. And then I'm glad that he got to...

Speaker 1:
[18:53] Which incident?

Speaker 12:
[19:00] I'm glad that he got to tell his son really good advice. Like, in case this ever happens to you, a puzzle being dragged into the middle of the ocean. Listen, it's OK if that ever happens to you.

Speaker 1:
[19:13] Christian's story this season has been all about trying to save face in crappy situations and recover. Remember, do it with a smile.

Speaker 12:
[19:25] He's really good at recovery.

Speaker 1:
[19:27] Yeah.

Speaker 12:
[19:28] No, he did great and I took a video of everyone booing Jimmy Fallon to send to him.

Speaker 1:
[19:36] Do you think that Jimmy Fallon will give Christian that apology?

Speaker 12:
[19:44] I actually saw that Jimmy Fallon had tweeted and that's why I took out my phone.

Speaker 1:
[19:48] Yes. He tweeted in a formal apology?

Speaker 12:
[19:51] Yes, he said, there is no excuse for this. I am very sorry for making this unquestionably offensive decision and thank you all for holding me accountable.

Speaker 1:
[20:03] Wow. Was that on Twitter or Blue Sky?

Speaker 12:
[20:07] Wait, I'm so sorry. That's actually what he tweeted after videos resurfaced of him doing blackface. It was Lorne Michaels' fault. It was Lorne Michaels' fault. It was on SNL in the year 2000. They didn't know about racism back then.

Speaker 1:
[20:37] We're learning.

Speaker 12:
[20:39] No, I'm finding all these notes on my phone now. Just a couple of things I wanted to say while I was up here. This twist made me sicker than the 4D motion simulator ride race through New York starring Jimmy Fallon.

Speaker 1:
[20:55] What theme park is that at?

Speaker 12:
[20:57] Universal. Better than Disney Adults, Universal Adults. I'm one of them. It's a really bad ride. It will make you motion sick. What are my other notes? Jimmy Fallon, I'd say stick to your day job, late night job, I guess. But I don't really want you to do that either.

Speaker 1:
[21:37] I don't know where to go next. You know what? Yeah. You know, I wanna talk about, this was a historic night that we all worked together here for because this was, tonight was the first time ever that Jeff did a challenge. And I loved it. Marianne, what was your reaction to Jeff doing the challenge?

Speaker 10:
[22:07] I loved it. And I loved how, immediately when you saw him locking on the challenge, he completely forgot how to host. Like, he's like, wait, wait, who dropped? Oh my gosh, what's happening? What's going on? He got really into it. And I think it was cathartic to see the players finally roast him the way that this man, like, I want to tell you, he roasts still as mean as in the earlier seasons. They just kind of bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop. That man is still mean. So to see it, I was so, so happy. And you got a shout out.

Speaker 1:
[22:39] Yes, that Christian, I could have sworn that I heard him say to Jeff, and I don't know if this was binding, but he was, Jeff was really going through it. He said, Christian said, I believe, hey Jeff, every, at the end of the season, I get to do an interview that is going to be over an hour long, and if I beat you, I get to go as long as I want. And I don't know if Jeff agreed to that. Is that binding? What do you think?

Speaker 10:
[23:13] I think, and you know, if there was a lawyer who was Canadian from Winnipeg who could help me, but I think, I do think that contracts under coercion are allowed, at least in Survivor.

Speaker 1:
[23:29] Because you are the last deep dive that I've ever did.

Speaker 10:
[23:33] It's true. And I was like two of them.

Speaker 1:
[23:36] It is true. So, look, I mean, it keeps my schedule better, but I would love to talk to Christian for as many hours as possible. Gabby, what do you think about the Jeff doing the challenge?

Speaker 12:
[23:47] It was more entertaining than I thought genuinely. The perception of time on Survivor is so wild. Like, and you hear players say this, they're like, we felt like we were out there for 45 minutes. And I feel like we just got that debunked tonight because Jeff was like, how long have I been out here? And the producer said seven and a half minutes.

Speaker 1:
[24:07] Yeah. He was, I think at one point he was like, like six minutes.

Speaker 9:
[24:10] He's like, what? It's six minutes.

Speaker 12:
[24:13] And they, it seemed like 10 minutes had passed between when he said six minutes. When they checked back in, it was like, it was seven and a half minutes.

Speaker 1:
[24:20] I thought Jeff was going to come in and kick the survivors' asses. Like I thought Jeff was like, I'm really good at this.

Speaker 12:
[24:30] He's fully fed.

Speaker 1:
[24:32] He's fully fed.

Speaker 12:
[24:32] He probably, he had time to practice. He had time to probably get tips from the dream team. And he got beaten by Suri?

Speaker 10:
[24:42] Oh, but no.

Speaker 1:
[24:42] No, he beat Suri.

Speaker 12:
[24:43] He beat Suri.

Speaker 10:
[24:44] There was 11 people and he beat four. So that means that seven, is that the math?

Speaker 1:
[24:49] Yes, he beat Rizzo, Emily, Rick and Suri. I think Rick kind of dropped out though, because I think that Riz God was trying to host the challenge. And even Jeff was like, I think we need Rick Evans to host the challenge. And Rick's like, okay, I'm going to drop out. Oh, I slipped. And then he just wanted the hosting audition.

Speaker 10:
[25:12] Maybe just Jeff doesn't have good grip strength. Like he might be, like he might physically have it, but that's a very grip strength challenge. Where if you're not able to-

Speaker 1:
[25:20] That's what Charlie said.

Speaker 10:
[25:21] Yeah. So Charlie would have beat Jeff.

Speaker 1:
[25:24] You don't think Jeff tanked it, do you?

Speaker 12:
[25:26] No. No, the only thing-

Speaker 1:
[25:28] He would have wanted to win. The only thing that makes me think that is that then, I think that he was probably like, okay, I'll do this in the beginning of the challenge. Cause that's the boring part when everybody's just standing there. But then when it gets down to where I have to actually call it, I'll already be out. But maybe he thought that like, okay, well, there were four people that were going to probably outlast him anyway, so he would have been out. Cause then he jumps in towards the end, he's like, all right, now we're being serious. Okay, now fun's over. I gotta call the end of this. So I thought maybe, maybe there was a chance, but it was just so fun. I loved it.

Speaker 12:
[26:00] It was definitely better than like negotiating for who's gonna sit out. It was fun to ask.

Speaker 1:
[26:05] You were at the first Rice negotiation.

Speaker 12:
[26:08] Oh, I was, yeah. We got a great deal in hindsight.

Speaker 1:
[26:12] So, nobody had to beat Jeff in the challenge.

Speaker 12:
[26:16] No, and only one person sat out. Honestly, people dragged Angelina for her negotiation skills, but it ended up being pretty good.

Speaker 1:
[26:23] It's still a part of the show. It's baked in now.

Speaker 12:
[26:27] Yes.

Speaker 9:
[26:27] Okay. All right.

Speaker 1:
[26:28] Well, Gabby, thank you so much. Is there anything else you want to tell us?

Speaker 12:
[26:38] No, I think I'm good. All my homies hate Jimmy Fallon. All right.

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Speaker 1:
[31:23] Okay, we've got some more friends here with us. They're not here to do charades. They're here to talk about it. Franny Baron, Omar Zaheer and Kevin Jacobs. Hi. Hey everybody, how you doing?

Speaker 16:
[31:40] Great, how are you?

Speaker 9:
[31:41] I'm good, we're having fun.

Speaker 16:
[31:42] Why are you dressed like a 70s couch?

Speaker 1:
[31:44] 70s couch, this is what I'm giving?

Speaker 11:
[31:46] I think the cardigan looks good.

Speaker 16:
[31:48] All right, all right.

Speaker 9:
[31:48] Yeah, okay. Is it because everybody was roasting Jeff?

Speaker 1:
[31:54] You come in and roast the host of the show now? Is that what happens?

Speaker 9:
[31:58] Have you turned it around?

Speaker 16:
[31:59] Always.

Speaker 1:
[32:00] Omar, what did you think about Jeff doing the challenge?

Speaker 16:
[32:04] I could have kicked his ass, just saying. No, it was great. I actually thought it was a grunt. That's my favorite 50 twist so far, I have to say. Yeah, yeah, hot take, but true. It feels the same.

Speaker 17:
[32:14] I feel the same, I feel the same. It was so fun, he was having fun. It really felt like a moment of joy from Jeff, and I feel like, you know, you got to take those.

Speaker 1:
[32:22] It really did. I think that they perfectly captured what we were all hoping for in season 50. I think it might be, if you go back, I think it's maybe Jeff's most likable moment in the entire run of the show. Oh, my ass.

Speaker 16:
[32:34] I really think so. It was, I totally agree, he had so much fun, and I can't believe he lost to Suri. Gabby's spreading that rumor.

Speaker 1:
[32:44] But I think that he let himself be sort of like everybody was able to dunk on him. And for most of Survivor, it's that Jeff is in such a position of power, the players are down here, and that there's so much respect towards what he is as the umpire and the host and God of the show. And for him to sort of like humble himself in front of the contestants, like I think it was a really fun moment. That everybody here was enjoying it. The players there were enjoying it.

Speaker 11:
[33:19] I think there's a moment like when you're growing up, the first time you realize that maybe, love my parents very much, that like they're fallible, they have flaws too, love them more than anything. And there are so many times when Jeff is like this untouchable figure, and I think it was very, very compelling that he put himself out there and did that.

Speaker 17:
[33:36] Yeah, well he also like occupied the space of the fans tonight, like I felt like he went in there with that wonder and that excitement to participate, which we all feel watching, like I think I could get up there and do that, and he said it and he couldn't, which was a little embarrassing.

Speaker 11:
[33:50] Terrible.

Speaker 17:
[33:51] But it was fun, it's exciting, like he's excited and he's a kooky guy. I mean like my experience of Jeff when the cameras are off, like he's a little goofy like that, and so I was glad that we got to see that from him on camera this time.

Speaker 10:
[34:03] And he also saw the absurdity of Gabler shouting every single person out in the challenge. Like when he brought it back I'm like, oh I know, he thinks about it. He probably thinks about I'm pissed as well too.

Speaker 17:
[34:13] Yes, he had all those queued up. Like he was gonna go Gabler right away. Like if he had dropped in minute two he was-

Speaker 1:
[34:19] Never go full Gabler.

Speaker 16:
[34:22] Right? 100% Gabler. Dwight, where you at?

Speaker 1:
[34:30] Okay, let's talk about what's going on in the game right now. And it's really another week where Saree is able to- Everyone's excited.

Speaker 17:
[34:43] Incredible.

Speaker 1:
[34:44] Saree is able to really, you know, do whatever she wants really in this game. It was a great moment where she's talking about how all of her alliances and she's aligned with every single person that's on the beach right now. And she's gonna decide which way she wants to go. I thought that she, and this was in the opening, she caught such a break. Marianne, the tribal council, the live tribal council, I thought that by Rick and Christian playing that fake idol, that she was really able to hide, it was her move to take out Coach and Chrissy, and she was able to get no blood on her hands for that.

Speaker 10:
[35:23] It was so perfect, you know, to go 20% gay, where she just went right under.

Speaker 17:
[35:29] And not all the way down.

Speaker 6:
[35:30] It's a little under.

Speaker 10:
[35:32] It's like, it's that thing, it's a chaos as a ladder, you know? People were worried about Saree, Saree, Saree, and then, you know, Rick Devins, this is Rick Devins thing that we previously talked about, and then now suddenly everyone hates Rick, and not only that, no one cares about the public idols anymore. They care about this public-er idol who is even more, because they're like, we just need to get Rick out, and Saree's like, yeah, sure, whatever.

Speaker 16:
[35:55] Yeah, yeah, and I think that Saree is so good, because if you look at Christian, he's had an amazing run. Shout out to Christian. He deserves everything he got. He is the best, and he was controlling much of the season, but he made one key mistake of going to the wrong person about Ozzy. But Saree knows who to go to and who not to go to, and she knew that Jonathan was exactly the right person, and all props to Saree.

Speaker 17:
[36:23] That was insane. What was in the minds of the people who were going to Saree and saying Ozzy? What did they think the dynamic was? I genuinely don't understand.

Speaker 16:
[36:32] They only watched Micronesia.

Speaker 17:
[36:35] They are not working together.

Speaker 1:
[36:36] It's really wild, and maybe Saree in her private conversations with them is really bad mouthing Ozzy, because they were on the same starting tribe with Saree, but Ozzy was there too. And I don't know why that they seem to think that, oh, Ozzy is on the bottom. Saree is not working with him. And they just feel like that Saree is locked in with them.

Speaker 10:
[36:56] I think it's a pattern we see in returning seasons, because this also happened in Second Chances. No one knew that Tasha and Raymond, previously Spencer, were working together. Everyone thought they were just these two people on the season, and it's really-

Speaker 16:
[37:12] Including your know-it-all.

Speaker 9:
[37:17] I don't know what you want me to do with that.

Speaker 10:
[37:21] Yeah, and I think it's so interesting, because you have Aubrey being like, I am not associated with Rick at all. They didn't even play together, right? They just were on edge together for a bit, and that's it. Then no one cares about Saree and Ozzy, who they've been playing together since the dawn of time.

Speaker 11:
[37:36] I think it's the main character energy, and especially on this season, where most of these people were the main character, one of the main characters on their season, and it's very hard to empathize and think about, like, what's Saree doing? They're like, oh, she's with me, and they all think that, but what she's doing really well with her group is letting Devens take the lead, letting him be the main character, which is really hard when you've seen yourself on TV, and you've seen the reception, and she is so good at stepping back and letting other people be the main character of their own story, knowing that she's playing survivor to win, not to make TV.

Speaker 1:
[38:09] Franny, in your season, there were three people that were kind of in the middle while the other sides were going back and forth.

Speaker 16:
[38:17] Is there any similarities?

Speaker 17:
[38:18] Yeah, I mean, I think there are in that, I was thinking about this when you were talking, Marianne, about Second Chances too. I think at the beginning of the season, you think a lot about, oh, who started on the same tribe, who maybe worked together in a previous season, and you take those relationships very seriously and put a lot of weight into them. But then, suddenly you merge, you think you've got good rapport with somebody, and then you just get so clouded by your relationship, and you lose the weight of the relationships that existed before. That happened to me on my season. I was like, hey, Carson and Carolyn like me pretty good. They don't like that Jam Jam guy.

Speaker 1:
[38:53] Give it up for Jam Jam. Yeah!

Speaker 17:
[38:58] But it's hard, it's hard. I mean, like when you have somebody...

Speaker 16:
[39:03] Was Jam Jam telling you what a threat Carolyn and Carson were? Or no?

Speaker 17:
[39:08] What a threat I was?

Speaker 16:
[39:09] No, was he asking you how big of a threat Carolyn and Carson were? Is that why you were so threatened by Carolyn and Carson, Jam Jam? Okay, you have not been told.

Speaker 17:
[39:18] What are you talking about?

Speaker 1:
[39:20] That's okay, we either interrupted.

Speaker 17:
[39:23] There's a wavelength that I am not on. But yeah, it's hard. I think that especially when you're with somebody like Suri and even Ozzy, he's doing great socially this season, who can make you feel so comfortable. It's just so easy to forget the beginning relationships because that feels like so long ago. It's the starting bag of the game. And you want to believe that everybody's flexible and makes new relationships. So it's easy to get caught in that trap.

Speaker 1:
[39:46] All right, I want to complain about our friend Christian for a minute because I felt like that he had a golden opportunity. He becomes the only survivor ever to be able to vote for themself. And I didn't love what he did with his vote for himself. Asking for an apology for Jimmy Fallon. I'd love if we could go down the panel and I'd love to hear everybody cast what they would say if they were gonna vote for themself.

Speaker 9:
[40:16] You want me to start?

Speaker 1:
[40:27] This kills me. It hurts me more than it hurts you. You're the greatest player of all time.

Speaker 18:
[40:38] I had to do it.

Speaker 9:
[40:40] You're such a threat.

Speaker 1:
[40:42] This is why you're the greatest player to never win.

Speaker 17:
[40:50] You've been sitting on that all night, that was great.

Speaker 1:
[40:52] Vote for yourself, Maryann.

Speaker 10:
[40:56] Finally, we'll get some sleep on this island. All we do is hear you talk and laugh and talk and laugh. And finally, there will be some peace because you can't speak as a jury member. Love you and hope I get your vote.

Speaker 17:
[41:18] Franny, I'm voting for you, because there's a hot piece of ass waiting for you at Ponderosa.

Speaker 1:
[41:29] Get it, girl.

Speaker 16:
[41:33] Omi, you've built a career putting things down. It's time to do it to yourself.

Speaker 11:
[41:47] Kevin, I can hear your every thought and I've had enough.

Speaker 1:
[41:57] All right, wow, this is great.

Speaker 18:
[41:59] Great job, everybody.

Speaker 1:
[42:04] Anything else from the episode that any of you guys want to say here?

Speaker 16:
[42:08] I have two things to say.

Speaker 5:
[42:09] One, Mr. Rob.

Speaker 18:
[42:11] Jonathan did a great job tonight.

Speaker 1:
[42:13] How is Jonathan doing?

Speaker 16:
[42:14] He's really good. I thought that he did a great job tonight as well. You know, he really, Saree did start the ball, but that was in his best interest too, and I think we have to give him props for that. I think that might have been Jonathan's best move over two seasons. Would we agree on that? Oh, okay.

Speaker 10:
[42:28] No, I'm thinking about what he's done. I think it was good, yeah. And he finally got to do his stealing move he's wanted to do since our season.

Speaker 16:
[42:36] Yes, exactly. And then the other thing-

Speaker 11:
[42:38] You guys a bit jealous?

Speaker 10:
[42:40] Actually, no, the longer he's there, the ego part of me is like, thank God, 42 is still relevant when he's here, you know?

Speaker 16:
[42:46] I'm not jealous of voting out Christian. Look at this, this tepid response to that. And then the other thing is that, if you look at Jimmy Fallon, like, fuck Jimmy Fallon, right, Gabby? Where are you at? Jimmy Fallon killed a national treasure in Christian. Billie Eilish killed a Canadian national treasure in Genevieve. Um, Zach Brown, is that his name? Whatever. He killed our ears.

Speaker 1:
[43:14] Oh, I think you're gonna say that fish, but no.

Speaker 16:
[43:17] Yeah, Zoom, Zoom killed Camilla, our queen, and what is Mr. Beast gonna do? I'm not ready for it.

Speaker 17:
[43:24] Celebrities have to be stopped. This is out of control.

Speaker 1:
[43:30] Who killed Camilla?

Speaker 16:
[43:31] Zoom.

Speaker 18:
[43:32] Zoom?

Speaker 19:
[43:33] That's a corporation.

Speaker 16:
[43:37] The web conferencing tool.

Speaker 18:
[43:38] You said the zoo.

Speaker 11:
[43:41] More of a WebEx guy.

Speaker 17:
[43:42] Remember when they brought the zoo onto the episode?

Speaker 11:
[43:44] I'm on Teams.

Speaker 1:
[43:47] Yeah, Teams is undefeated this season. All right. Franny and Omar and Kevin, thank you so much. Are we having fun so far, right? Yeah, yeah, still into it. Okay, we're due to have more people come, but it's like, seems like that the team is having a live tribal council. So we'll, let me go back to Marianne, okay? Oh, okay, are we ready? Okay, let's be joined by our contingent from Survivor 49 is here, it's Sophie B, Jeremiah and Christina.

Speaker 20:
[44:45] I purposely didn't sit beside Sophie because last time I sat beside her, she voted me out, so.

Speaker 1:
[44:51] I'm kind of rude when you think about it. Yes. How's everybody doing?

Speaker 6:
[44:56] This is fun. I like Canada.

Speaker 1:
[44:58] Yes. I love it. Is this your first time here?

Speaker 6:
[45:02] It's not, but it's my first time with like a local.

Speaker 1:
[45:05] A local.

Speaker 6:
[45:06] Yeah, showing me the local things.

Speaker 1:
[45:07] Yeah, you're giving the tour.

Speaker 20:
[45:09] We went to Financial District, we went to the Gay District, we went to, where did we go? Chinatown for foot massages.

Speaker 21:
[45:16] Chinatown, we got foot massages.

Speaker 20:
[45:18] Distillery. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[45:20] All right, well, let's talk about it. I guess the question for the 49ers is, boy, another week, Rizgad keeps moving through this.

Speaker 10:
[45:29] No, no, no, no, you have to say the full thing. We'll start with the man on the count of three. One, two, three. The man, the myth, the legend, R-I-C-G-O-D, it's God, baby.

Speaker 15:
[45:40] Wow.

Speaker 21:
[45:44] He's keeping 49 relevant right now for us.

Speaker 15:
[45:48] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[45:48] Now, Christina, I couldn't help but notice that you appeared to be covering your ears. Is that because it gets too loud?

Speaker 6:
[45:57] You know, we had, I had 24 days with him.

Speaker 15:
[45:59] Yes.

Speaker 6:
[46:00] So I love Rizzo so much, but I'm good on that.

Speaker 9:
[46:05] Yeah. But you know what?

Speaker 1:
[46:07] It's interesting because I kind of like took from your season that the people that were coming on The Jury, and I would do the exit interviews, people are like, we weren't really liking what he's putting down. But so far this season, I'm not really getting that from anybody in the 50 cast. It seems like that he's real. I don't know if he took something away from playing in 49, but it seems like that he's like universally beloved by the people that are out there.

Speaker 21:
[46:32] Yeah, he's also a power bottom, I think.

Speaker 1:
[46:35] Whoa.

Speaker 9:
[46:36] I didn't know that.

Speaker 20:
[46:38] Marianne, what is a power bottom? What is a power bottom?

Speaker 21:
[46:45] Yeah, he's doing great.

Speaker 6:
[46:47] Rizzo does a really good job when you're one-on-one. I remember on my season, I was like, Rizzo, you're kind of annoying. Then for the first time when I sat down and actually talked to him, I was like, you're actually really likable. So I think he's doing a good job with the social piece there.

Speaker 1:
[47:04] Yeah. I know that we have some big Surrey fans on the panel and in the audience. I'd love to get the perspective on what you've been most impressed by, what she's been doing this season.

Speaker 21:
[47:19] I mean, everything. I feel like right now, she deserves to win out of everybody that's there. Like she's done the most. She's moved the most votes so far, and I feel like, I mean, today, I feel like they didn't show that much of Rizzo, but they showed one clip before Tribal that made me think he might have been the reason why Christian left. So the Sir Rizard of Oz Alliance is doing pretty good.

Speaker 1:
[47:45] It did seem like that there was some movement towards Emily, and Rizzo was like, no, why are we doing that? We have to vote Christian. It's hard because we can't tell if it's just one conversation or what the whole day on the beach is like, but I feel like that the Jonathan, Stephanie, Joe people, I think that they really had their eyes set on Christian. They wanted a pound of flesh because they felt like that Christian lied in the live Tribal Council.

Speaker 10:
[48:12] But there's also something important as well with like putting your foot down and having the social capital to do so without people getting annoyed that you're putting your foot down. And Rizzo, it was clear to me that he's like, I know we're going for Christian and Christian we're going for. But it seemed that he had the social capital where people were like, Rizzo really wants this and he's annoying. They're like, oh, okay. They were amenable to that even if the Emily movement was happening. He was fine swinging it back and it seems that they're not mad at him about it.

Speaker 6:
[48:39] Yeah. I think it's also when someone says a name that you secretly really want, it's also like, oh, okay. Well, if someone else wants it, then now I can feel more confident like, okay, I'm going to write this down. What the three of them wanted, Christian, and you have Rizzo saying like, well, what about Christian? And you latch on to that.

Speaker 1:
[48:56] Jeremiah, tell me that horoscope wise, who do you think is looking good in season 50? Have you studied this yet?

Speaker 20:
[49:06] Who do I think is looking? I know I agree with you guys, like Suri, she's the queen. Is it her sixth time? Sixth time.

Speaker 1:
[49:12] Fifth time US survivor, yes.

Speaker 20:
[49:15] Okay, go ahead.

Speaker 1:
[49:15] Jeremy says five and a half times of survivor.

Speaker 20:
[49:21] Yeah, so I think Suri is killing it right now. I actually think Rizzo is actually doing really well. So I feel like he's blended in with all of the icons, and I feel like he's flying under the radar, and everyone seems to really enjoy him.

Speaker 21:
[49:35] I do think it's crazy that him and Ozzy have public idols, but they're all looking at Devon's, and his is fake. So that's crazy.

Speaker 1:
[49:42] Yeah, Mary Ann, I think that there's something to be said with the new era, where I really think that you played, listen, I can go on and on and on, but you played your idol so perfectly in your season where you really showed that the best move you could make in the new era is to have the idol that's a secret, and be able to hold it up at the end. I didn't even need to use this. And for people who are making these big shows, the other players don't like it.

Speaker 10:
[50:15] Yeah, I think it also is important to say that they, like that, those idols were de facto public idols, right? So for Rizzo and Ozzy, everybody knew that they had their idol. But like in future things, like you almost did it with the, and this sounds really shady, I'm so sorry. With the, with the knowledge of power, where it's like you have, no, it's all good. You did the best, you have the information.

Speaker 6:
[50:39] We are one season away, we still have PTSD.

Speaker 10:
[50:41] Yeah, that's why I said, that's why I said, but I think it's like a lot of times, especially like you, depending on how flash, if you're going to be flashy, it can't just be flashy for flash, there's gotta be substance too, you know? So it's like if you're, for why am I? Rick Devins, I don't know why I brain farted there. For Rick, if he goes, gets flashy with this idol, be like, I got it, ha ha ha ha, and it actually was a real idol and then he played it, or he played it and it was fake and he said, I did this to move my folks on me. I think people would be less annoyed than if he did this big thing, and in their mind, he now has this real idol, right? Or like when I went, told my idol in the end, it had flash about like, this is it, this is it, ha ha ha. But now the idol is done, it's dead. So there was a purpose to the flash.

Speaker 1:
[51:25] Yeah. And I think that that's probably part of the reason why people were frustrated with Rizzo in your season, right? Because he would always have the idol like, maybe I'm going to play it, maybe I'm not going to play it. Like people don't like that.

Speaker 6:
[51:38] Yeah, I don't know if it flew well with the jury.

Speaker 1:
[51:42] But this time he has an idol and he's not really like flashing it to everybody. It's just like, OK, people know he has the Billy Eilish boomerang idol. And if anything, he's trying to make people forget that he hasn't.

Speaker 6:
[51:54] But I think that's good. It talks to Rizzo adapting to the situation as well. I think that he's a super fan. He can tell you the final three of every single season. And so I think that him really reading the people that he's playing with, I think he realizes he can't do that. Like he's already playing with a jury that's what primarily OGs, you know? And so I think this is a really good social read on him.

Speaker 20:
[52:20] Christina, I've never asked you this question, but how long did you hide your idol in your hair for? Right? Like you pulled the... Like tell us about that.

Speaker 6:
[52:28] Two seconds. I put that in during when I was voting.

Speaker 20:
[52:34] But where did you hide it throughout? Like did you hide it in your backpack?

Speaker 6:
[52:37] I hid it in my bra and then I also hid it in my bag, but somebody on this stage went through my bag and found it. But we're on season 50, right?

Speaker 21:
[52:47] Where did you hide your idol?

Speaker 10:
[52:49] I hid it in my bag and then going to tribal.

Speaker 6:
[52:56] Yes.

Speaker 21:
[52:56] I like...

Speaker 10:
[52:58] I would like loop it in my underwear and like a tampon string. So if anyone saw it, no one would like ask about it if they saw like a string. Then I would then put it in my pocket for tribal.

Speaker 6:
[53:14] That's amazing. That's why you're the winner of season 42.

Speaker 20:
[53:19] I just have to say for anybody, for any future players, I would suggest to always keep your shot in the dark, in your pocket or like in your sock, because sometimes when you're at tribal council and you can kind of feel as though things are like going down a slippery slope, but then you have your shot in the dark in your backpack and you are kind of like, I don't want to cause a scene and pull my shot in the dark out of my backpack. So always keep it in your pocket when you're going to tribal council.

Speaker 1:
[53:44] Yeah. It's sort of an awkward moment when you're like, I just need to get something. You know what? I need to check. Did I pack everything? Feeling very like I might go home. Yeah. All right, I've got one more panel to get to here tonight. Anything else from the 49ers?

Speaker 10:
[54:06] I have something to say. 90, 1998 players, we're on the map. So if you are born in 1998, submit your tape and join us.

Speaker 6:
[54:20] And on that note.

Speaker 1:
[54:22] Okay. All right. Thank you so much, Sophie, Xena, Jeremiah. All right.

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Speaker 4:
[55:31] K-Pop Demon Hunter's Saja Boys breakfast meal and Huntrix meal have just dropped at McDonald's. They're calling this a battle for the fans. What do you say to that, Rumi?

Speaker 21:
[55:40] It's not a battle.

Speaker 22:
[55:41] So glad the Saja Boys could take breakfast and give our meal the rest of the day.

Speaker 5:
[55:45] It is an honor to share.

Speaker 4:
[55:47] No, it's our honor.

Speaker 11:
[55:49] It is our larger honor. No, really, stop.

Speaker 4:
[55:53] You can really feel the respect in this battle. Pick a meal to pick a side.

Speaker 13:
[55:58] But I participate in McDonald's while supplies last.

Speaker 1:
[56:02] And then let me see, we have our next panel here. Here we go. Here is Dwight and Caleb and Brandon.

Speaker 23:
[56:17] Can I, can I say something?

Speaker 1:
[56:19] Please.

Speaker 23:
[56:20] So we got Mary Ann, Dwight, me, Brandon. There's so much melanin on the stage right now. Like 10 out of 10. What a panel.

Speaker 1:
[56:31] What a panel. Yeah. Dwight, how are you doing?

Speaker 19:
[56:34] Doing great, man.

Speaker 1:
[56:35] Yeah. Were you excited to see the Gabler challenge? Get a shout out tonight.

Speaker 19:
[56:41] You know, I saw that challenge. I'm like, he's I was wondering anyone's going to reference the Gabler again. And the fact that Jeff brought up all people, I'm just like, oh dear God, we're going through this again. Because like I remember getting out of the challenge. I'm like, how long is Gabler going to keep doing this for? Yeah, there's no way. And then it goes on and on and on. We're shouting out states and people's cats and their dogs and their babysitter and their aunt from like Kentucky. I don't know anymore. So yeah.

Speaker 1:
[57:07] Yeah, your season though really was a turning point for that challenge. I don't think it really became iconic until that season. And now it's kind of like a new era staple where they do it almost every single season and it's become like a whole thing.

Speaker 19:
[57:21] Yeah, I saw the challenge and I was excited to do it and I realized how bad I was at it. So I'm kind of glad to staple now because I can see people like do worse than me at it, which kind of makes me feel a little bit better. I think Jeff did worse than me. Hopefully, I don't really know. So I need to ask how long I last in that one, but it was fun to see a recurring thing nowadays.

Speaker 1:
[57:38] Yeah. Marianne, I just want to know from you, did you make rice in your season? No. They didn't have any?

Speaker 10:
[57:45] No. I think it was Tory and Lindsay. Lindsay was the big rice maker. Yes, but we did get rice.

Speaker 1:
[57:51] Was there fights over the portions?

Speaker 10:
[57:54] No, we did it by seashells. So I don't know where they got the mug and people had a process and I didn't really care about what it was. It was food, you know?

Speaker 1:
[58:05] Yeah. I just feel like if you have it, just eat it. You don't know how many people are going to be left. It's like day 18. There's like seven days left. There's going to be only a couple of people there soon. Just eat the rice. All right. Brandon, what did you make of all this tonight?

Speaker 24:
[58:20] I really liked the montage of Jeff yelling at people. Yes. In challenges. Nobody has ever been more thrilled to not be included while I'm doing my job. What a gasp the night out, but it was a lot of fun.

Speaker 1:
[58:34] Jeff didn't trash talk you when you were trying to get back onto the boat, right?

Speaker 24:
[58:39] No, he had empathy at that point. But I think within 48 hours from them, he was kind of like...

Speaker 1:
[58:45] Yeah, because I think in the montage, all of the shots that they showed of Jeff were all like young Jeff from like the teens and 20s of Survivor.

Speaker 24:
[58:56] Yeah, we had an Alicia Rosa mention. Exactly. That's appropriate. And then we had, I guess, a couple others.

Speaker 1:
[59:03] There was a multiple from one world. It was like, I guess that might have been one of Jeff's most like crankiest seasons.

Speaker 24:
[59:10] Can I also...

Speaker 1:
[59:11] Who would have thought? Who would have thought?

Speaker 24:
[59:13] Can I also say, can we go through together, communally, the people that Jeff shouted out doing the challenge? Because I think it's a wide array of people.

Speaker 1:
[59:21] Sure.

Speaker 24:
[59:21] Ends with his mom, which is very, very nice. We start with a woman who does the laundry, is what he says.

Speaker 1:
[59:29] I thought that was his daughter.

Speaker 23:
[59:30] Quick on the clip.

Speaker 24:
[59:33] He said his daughter who does the laundry?

Speaker 1:
[59:35] I think that the thing that he says previously to that is like, Gaebler and he shouted out his kids and so I'm going to do that. I thought the first person he said, I think that that was one of his kids.

Speaker 24:
[59:48] Oh, I heard somebody who does the laundry.

Speaker 1:
[59:51] I took it as he has a child who does a lot of laundry.

Speaker 24:
[59:56] Listen, and then we get, we get Zach Brown.

Speaker 1:
[60:00] Yes.

Speaker 18:
[60:01] Next to whoever does the laundry in the Sequential League of Importance.

Speaker 24:
[60:05] And then we get Coach Ralston, Little League Baseball Coach.

Speaker 1:
[60:10] Yeah.

Speaker 24:
[60:11] Which sounds like an idol phrase that perhaps you had to read at some point. And then we get to, I think that might be it.

Speaker 1:
[60:18] He said the state of Kansas.

Speaker 24:
[60:20] Kansas. And shout out to everybody from Kansas here.

Speaker 1:
[60:24] Fiji Airways.

Speaker 23:
[60:25] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[60:26] Thank you.

Speaker 23:
[60:28] Shout out Billy Eilish, am I right?

Speaker 15:
[60:31] Yeah.

Speaker 17:
[60:32] Do you think Jeff?

Speaker 23:
[60:35] Solidarity. Out of the celebrity twist so far, Jimmy Fallon is my favorite. You're not going to do Genevieve like that.

Speaker 15:
[60:49] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[60:50] Marianne, what are you saying?

Speaker 10:
[60:51] I was going to say, do you think Jeff almost shouted out Mr. Beast but realized, oh no, that's tomorrow, you know. Shout out, what's his, what's his birth name?

Speaker 1:
[60:58] Jimmy Donaldson.

Speaker 10:
[60:59] Jeremy? Jimmy. Oh, he's also Jimmy.

Speaker 18:
[61:02] He's also Jimmy.

Speaker 10:
[61:03] So maybe, he almost messed up and did both the Jimmy's, you know. Shout out to G, Jesus.

Speaker 18:
[61:09] Yes. There's a couple of people who would have been thrilled with a Jesus mention, I think, in that challenge.

Speaker 23:
[61:26] Hey, honor and integrity, right?

Speaker 1:
[61:32] Caleb, are you annoyed that these survivors are just passing around these shot in the darks and not using them like God intended them?

Speaker 23:
[61:45] I will say the first thing I noticed when Christian was passing Jonathan's shot in the dark was the hand size discrepancy. I don't know if anyone else has to relook at it but what a mitt that that guy has. And then Christian's got like the pianist fingers. So in short, it was kind of, I was shocked when Jonathan gave it back.

Speaker 1:
[62:12] Yeah was that a nice moment?

Speaker 23:
[62:13] You know how good that is?

Speaker 1:
[62:14] Yeah.

Speaker 24:
[62:16] Can he still though, can he use it?

Speaker 1:
[62:17] He can, right?

Speaker 9:
[62:19] Who?

Speaker 10:
[62:21] Jonathan?

Speaker 9:
[62:21] Yeah, Jonathan could still use the shot in the dark, right?

Speaker 19:
[62:24] I think they're attached to the player.

Speaker 10:
[62:25] Oh, they're now non-transferable.

Speaker 19:
[62:27] I'm pretty sure they are.

Speaker 10:
[62:28] Were they non-transferable for you?

Speaker 9:
[62:29] Yeah.

Speaker 10:
[62:30] Ours were transferable.

Speaker 1:
[62:32] Yeah, I think they, we talked about this and I feel like that you weighed in on it also and now I'm like doubting myself. But I asked Rachel on Chat BCC and she said they were transferable and I think that you just, you can't use two the same night.

Speaker 10:
[62:49] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[62:50] Yeah.

Speaker 10:
[62:50] I feel as if they were transferable. Like we had questions about if we could use multiple shots and they said no.

Speaker 1:
[62:55] This was Jury Pandering by Jonathan.

Speaker 23:
[63:00] Can we write some fan fiction?

Speaker 1:
[63:01] Yeah. Let's start it. Yeah. What's the fan fiction? So I, it's not like Fifty Shades fan fiction because we don't do that.

Speaker 23:
[63:10] Okay. I have a different fan fiction. Okay. Okay. One of the, so obviously everyone here is a big fan of Tony. Cagayan. Yeah. When he goes to the other camp and he gives Jeremiah the fake clue in front of everybody to put a target on his back.

Speaker 10:
[63:29] Yeah.

Speaker 23:
[63:30] And I was thinking, man, it would be so sick if he comes back to camp with Christian's paper wrapped around his idol saying, I have to give this idol to somebody and gives it to somebody else in front of everybody. That would have been a fun way to put a target on someone else's back with a fake idol.

Speaker 10:
[63:47] But then he would have had to do two different things. That's, I think that might have worked if it was a secret that he had to vote himself, right? So he comes to camp and has a story, but.

Speaker 23:
[63:57] Rick Devins, I mean.

Speaker 10:
[63:58] Oh, Devins.

Speaker 23:
[63:59] With his idol.

Speaker 10:
[64:00] Yeah, yeah, that could work.

Speaker 23:
[64:01] You know, it's always hard because you never, like, it's, we have all the time in the world to brainstorm.

Speaker 13:
[64:08] Sure.

Speaker 23:
[64:08] So no, no, but I was like, that would have been so sick to like, hey, Jonathan, I have to give this to somebody. I thought I'd give it to you and just see what happens.

Speaker 10:
[64:18] I don't think that would turn out well.

Speaker 13:
[64:22] Fan fiction.

Speaker 9:
[64:24] Nice, nice. Okay.

Speaker 1:
[64:28] Caleb started writing things. I was thinking that we could do some creative writing here with this team, with this panel here. And you know that Jimmy Fallon on his show, one of the things he likes to do is he likes to write thank you notes to people. And I thought that maybe we could write some thank you notes to the people, the participants in Survivor for entertaining us yet again here tonight.

Speaker 9:
[64:58] 50 contestants?

Speaker 1:
[65:00] Are we able to do that?

Speaker 9:
[65:01] Could we, could we, could we, let me, let me see.

Speaker 1:
[65:08] Thank you, Emily Flippin for not keeping the secret recipe for making rice.

Speaker 18:
[65:23] We need more energy for the jokes.

Speaker 9:
[65:25] Yeah.

Speaker 18:
[65:26] We need more energy for the jokes.

Speaker 9:
[65:27] All right, okay. All right.

Speaker 1:
[65:29] Thank you. I think the music's getting a little loud also. It's just like a backdrop. Thank you to the sound team. Thank you to Jonathan's pants for teaching us that you can work together if you're not cut from the same cloth. Because it's many different cloths that come together to make Jonathan's pants.

Speaker 9:
[66:02] All right.

Speaker 1:
[66:03] Are you, you want more?

Speaker 9:
[66:07] All right.

Speaker 1:
[66:08] Thank, thank you to Rizgad Socks. Thank you to Rizgad Socks for being always more high than Ozzy was on 420.

Speaker 9:
[66:29] Okay, all right. Shout out to Zayn.

Speaker 1:
[66:31] Yeah. Thank you, Zach Brown for not effing over any of our faves with your... Oh, you only screwed the fans.

Speaker 9:
[66:51] Okay, last one, last one, last one. For everybody here.

Speaker 1:
[66:55] Thank you, Drake, for making big strides to abolish ice. That's a Toronto joke.

Speaker 9:
[67:08] That's how you good people get it. All right.

Speaker 1:
[67:19] What else, Mary Ann?

Speaker 6:
[67:21] Oh my gosh.

Speaker 10:
[67:22] Those were good thank yous. This was a sad episode. You know what? I would say it was a sad episode, but still a good episode. Do people agree? It was a good episode. Yeah, like fifty overall hasn't, other than when I for some reason started watching Bear Grillis for a second with Zach Brown and like some Wilderness show. It's been great. I've been really happy, really good. Anything else from you guys?

Speaker 24:
[67:54] No, I Bear Grillis through everything that I had.

Speaker 19:
[67:57] I did not follow that up.

Speaker 18:
[67:59] I had five thoughts before Bear Grillis, but I'll pass back over.

Speaker 1:
[68:03] It was a sad night, but we were all here together to be part of it. That's what it's about here in the Survivor community. We lose our faves, we mourn together. We'll be back next Wednesday.

Speaker 10:
[68:20] I wonder about how D was in Ponderosa for this one day with Coach and Chrissy.

Speaker 19:
[68:27] This is why we need Ponderosa videos.

Speaker 10:
[68:30] I know. This is why we need Ponderosa because I really wanted to see who, what, when, where, why, how in that.

Speaker 23:
[68:38] Do you think the coach is having the dragons part too?

Speaker 1:
[68:42] Well, can we talk about that? Did anybody notice coach's jury silver suit? Looks like he's going to host Deal or No Deal at some point.

Speaker 24:
[68:55] Not for anything. If you go back and watch it, they do like the tight shot in the jury members as they do every episode, and they go right to coach. Chrissy's face is half in it, and she's not. Go back and watch.

Speaker 18:
[69:06] It's an unfortunate editing choice. It's very intentional, but they go right on coach.

Speaker 24:
[69:11] And how could you not when he's wearing a Christmas ornament, I think that's special.

Speaker 23:
[69:16] I will say, the survivors had a lot of impact on the traitors, having so many great players there, and the traitors starting to have a little bit of impact on Survivor and the jury outfits.

Speaker 1:
[69:24] And the jury, yeah.

Speaker 23:
[69:25] I mean, people are looking hot.

Speaker 1:
[69:28] But I think the actual suit at Tribal Council, I don't think I've ever seen a player wear a suit to Tribal, to, on a jury. He wore a vest with no shirt on.

Speaker 24:
[69:40] It's one eighth of a suit.

Speaker 1:
[69:41] It's the opposite of the suit. He was more wearing a birthday suit than a suit. All right, well, I hate that our time here on the stage is coming to an end. We had so much fun tonight, but there'll be some more fun after this for many of us here tonight. Marianne, any final thoughts?

Speaker 10:
[70:03] Oh my gosh. I'm, my only thing which I'm thinking of is that Mr. Beast super beware advantage. Yes. And I don't know how to feel about it, but I'm an optimist and I'm hopefully expectant. And that's all I have to say.

Speaker 1:
[70:20] That's all we have to say.

Speaker 9:
[70:21] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[70:22] Anything else from the panel?

Speaker 24:
[70:25] And we can ask him about it right now. Mr. Beast, come on out. He's not here.

Speaker 9:
[70:30] He's busy.

Speaker 24:
[70:31] He's busy?

Speaker 9:
[70:32] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[70:33] All right. Well, this was such an incredible live show. This is one. Thank you. I don't know if we're supposed to do that. I have a book coming out. It's called The Tribe and I Have Spoken, and I talked about so many of your favorite Survivor players, all the great moments. I wish I could have written about Jeff doing the challenge. We'll always remember where we were for that. And it's the story of 25 years of Survivor, and I can't wait for all of you to check it out. And it's going to be out in two weeks. So if you like that type of thing, robhasabook.com.

Speaker 23:
[71:28] Welcome to the new era, right? 14 days.

Speaker 1:
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