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Speaker 1:
[00:01] Thanks for listening to The Von Haessler Doctrine Podcast. Follow The Doctrine on YouTube, Facebook, Twitch, Instagram and Twitter for even more content. Part one of The Von Haessler Doctrine begins right now. I'm your host, Eric Von Haessler. Why are you jumping?

Speaker 2:
[00:26] Lock in, Eric.

Speaker 1:
[00:26] Wait a minute, you're jumping in as I'm saying my name?

Speaker 2:
[00:29] Lock in.

Speaker 1:
[00:30] You need to lock in.

Speaker 2:
[00:32] Lock in it.

Speaker 1:
[00:32] Now you lock yourself in. Before I even begin to think about locking myself in. Lock those lids. You haven't even been introduced yet, for heaven's sakes. As you can hear, we have all the Doctrineers plus one. Tim Andrews is here. Autumn Fisher is here. George Clark is here. Jared Yamamoto is here. English Nick is here. Because he just doesn't anywhere else be. He's very lazy person. He doesn't do much in his life. He likes to hang out. What are you down to? I think he's getting older and he's semi-retired. He only has four jobs now.

Speaker 3:
[01:16] The lottery is very part-time, once a weekend these days.

Speaker 1:
[01:19] Once a weekend?

Speaker 3:
[01:20] Once a week, unless they need other times filled in.

Speaker 1:
[01:22] Can I tell you something that will let you know that I am probably the worst friend you've ever had?

Speaker 3:
[01:27] You've never seen me on the lottery?

Speaker 1:
[01:28] I have never seen you on that. And couldn't I just dial it up on YouTube if I wanted to? If I was a decent friend?

Speaker 3:
[01:34] I don't know if they do that because of legalities, but they do show on the WSB TV website after the fact.

Speaker 1:
[01:40] All right, so if I could ever just sort of belly up to the bar of friendship, which I think you've done. It is something I could do.

Speaker 3:
[01:47] I think I've seen your belly at the bar many times.

Speaker 1:
[01:50] I just don't watch a lot of normal, regular TV.

Speaker 4:
[01:52] Me neither.

Speaker 1:
[01:54] So you've never seen yourself?

Speaker 3:
[01:55] I have seen myself because I've been sent the videos just to say in the beginning, like, hey, your hands were doing this or blah, blah, blah. I think your fly was undone.

Speaker 1:
[02:06] You had a lottery consultant. I didn't realize that.

Speaker 3:
[02:09] The producer that we had in the beginning, he was on our witness, he would send the videos.

Speaker 1:
[02:11] Hey, English Nick, not for nothing, but how about a spray tan?

Speaker 3:
[02:15] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[02:15] Something like that.

Speaker 3:
[02:16] I've been asked if I want the powder.

Speaker 1:
[02:18] Well, you got to get the powder because you're on TV.

Speaker 3:
[02:20] That's 50 seconds of my life.

Speaker 1:
[02:21] I know, but you got to get the powder.

Speaker 2:
[02:23] Get the powder.

Speaker 3:
[02:24] Take the powder. You're only on for maybe 15 seconds of the video.

Speaker 5:
[02:29] Why don't you want the powder?

Speaker 1:
[02:31] Get the powder because here's the problem.

Speaker 2:
[02:32] He doesn't want the powder.

Speaker 1:
[02:33] Well, he needs the powder because I will tell you this, it's television and cameras, they will...

Speaker 3:
[02:39] They don't lie.

Speaker 2:
[02:40] They add 20 pounds of grease onto your face.

Speaker 1:
[02:42] It certainly does. As we, especially as old white men, as we age, we lose any kind of coloring we ever had. We get whiter and whiter to the point of translucence. So when you're on a video, you don't want people to see right through you to your skull. You got to put on the powder.

Speaker 2:
[03:01] You got to keep that stuff a secret.

Speaker 1:
[03:03] What?

Speaker 2:
[03:04] You have to keep those thoughts a secret.

Speaker 1:
[03:05] That's right. Otherwise, people will know how dangerous your thoughts are.

Speaker 3:
[03:10] I'm just going to get a spray tan. I think that's what I'm going to do.

Speaker 1:
[03:12] That would be hilarious.

Speaker 3:
[03:13] It would be funny, wouldn't it?

Speaker 1:
[03:14] That would be hilarious.

Speaker 2:
[03:15] Get the darkest color you have.

Speaker 1:
[03:18] Now, even if I lay out, sometimes I'll just-

Speaker 3:
[03:20] I burn in the regular sense of it.

Speaker 1:
[03:22] I burn and I feel good about that. It used to be that I would burn, and I don't burn to a crisp, but I get red, and it used to be, when I was a member of something called the youth culture, it would go from red and then it would bleed into a brown, and then that would last for a month and slowly it would fade. Now, it's just red as a lobster and then back to white as vanilla ice cream. There's no in between.

Speaker 3:
[03:51] I was in your neck of the woods hosting the Roswell Music Festival on Saturday, and it was a really blazing hot day. You were out in the sun a lot, apart from when you're under the stage or the tent and stuff. And I put on the sunblock, but I did get a bit red.

Speaker 1:
[04:03] Yeah? Yeah, a little red.

Speaker 3:
[04:04] That's not hurting.

Speaker 1:
[04:05] Well, this is all I can get now, so I go for it. I'm just like, okay, I'd rather be red than translucent.

Speaker 6:
[04:11] I think it's about consistency.

Speaker 5:
[04:12] Nice muscles.

Speaker 6:
[04:13] You need to get out there more days. If you get out there one day, you can try to turn to tan.

Speaker 1:
[04:17] No, no, I do.

Speaker 2:
[04:18] You really shouldn't get any sun because it's bad for your skin.

Speaker 6:
[04:21] She's right.

Speaker 5:
[04:21] Nah, use baby oil and lay in the backyard.

Speaker 1:
[04:23] You can get some sizzling. It's like anything else, 10 minutes or something. But what I'm saying is even if I was better, Jared, and every two days I went and got 10 minutes of sun, it would just keep me red. The idea of what you think of as a tan happening to this old white man's face is just not something that happens anymore. That will, as you get older, there are certain things that used to happen a lot, but they happen a little less.

Speaker 2:
[04:57] I don't know what else you could be thinking of.

Speaker 1:
[04:59] No, just basically I'm talking about tanning.

Speaker 2:
[05:01] Just tanning.

Speaker 5:
[05:02] That's it.

Speaker 1:
[05:03] Melanin levels is really what I'm getting to.

Speaker 5:
[05:06] He's got his Bolivian genes, so he gets dark immediately.

Speaker 2:
[05:09] Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 5:
[05:10] Jared?

Speaker 1:
[05:11] Jared has, I think the Bolivian side of Jared is more about his makeup than the Asian side. Even though he's got that last name Yamamoto, as he ages, I see more of the Bolivian. Am I wrong?

Speaker 2:
[05:27] No, I think you're right.

Speaker 6:
[05:28] It's exactly the same percentage. I have as much Bolivian as I do Japanese.

Speaker 5:
[05:32] One's dominant though.

Speaker 1:
[05:34] But one's dominant in your genes. The Bolivian side is more dominant, which is strange to people because you have such a Japanese last name, such a kind of Yamamoto.

Speaker 2:
[05:44] How do you know that it's exactly 50 percent? Because that means your entire lineage is only Bolivian and Japanese.

Speaker 1:
[05:51] Yeah, maybe your parents, maybe your grandparents had a little other than what they want, full 100 percent.

Speaker 6:
[05:58] No, they weren't. My father is 25 percent, and that makes me what? 12.5 percent Bolivian, 12.5 percent Japanese.

Speaker 3:
[06:05] Oh, 50 percent hillbilly.

Speaker 6:
[06:07] Yeah, a lot of hillbilly. There's a little Native American in there too.

Speaker 3:
[06:11] I can see it.

Speaker 2:
[06:12] That's what everybody says.

Speaker 6:
[06:14] Lots of hillbilly.

Speaker 1:
[06:15] Yeah, I'm not an oppressor. I've got one sixteenth Native American in me.

Speaker 2:
[06:20] I'm four sixteenth Cherokee.

Speaker 1:
[06:23] I'm one of the first peoples, for heaven's sakes. Get off my lawn. Don't give me any of that nonsense.

Speaker 2:
[06:28] Get out of my casino.

Speaker 5:
[06:29] Are you related to Adam or Eve?

Speaker 1:
[06:30] Get out of my casino.

Speaker 3:
[06:31] Yeah, get out of my casino.

Speaker 2:
[06:32] That's a basic.

Speaker 1:
[06:35] Am I related to Adam or Eve?

Speaker 5:
[06:37] Yes. I guess it would be both, wouldn't it?

Speaker 1:
[06:39] Well, it's kind of hard not to be related to both if you're...

Speaker 3:
[06:42] We all come from there, apparently.

Speaker 1:
[06:45] Yes. It happened 6,000 years ago or something.

Speaker 2:
[06:48] Yep, that's it.

Speaker 1:
[06:49] That's it. So I have no reason to question that, for heaven's sakes.

Speaker 3:
[06:53] I have a story that questions that in Tootlepip today.

Speaker 1:
[06:55] Oh no. We're not going to go after religion.

Speaker 3:
[06:58] No, we're not going after it.

Speaker 1:
[06:58] How does it show?

Speaker 3:
[06:59] Not going after it. There's something coming up that's 12,000 years old.

Speaker 1:
[07:03] Oh really? What's coming up that's 12,000 years old?

Speaker 3:
[07:07] Native Americans were making dice in gaming thousands of years before anyone else.

Speaker 1:
[07:11] Oh, well see, they're right there.

Speaker 3:
[07:13] They were making things that were gambling. Yeah. Flipping things and rolling things.

Speaker 1:
[07:18] She already made the casino joke.

Speaker 3:
[07:20] Games of chance.

Speaker 1:
[07:21] That was an opportunity. But I mean, it's an opportunity to go and say that, yeah, this is all leading, how many, 12,000 years ago? The casino has spent a 12,000 year lead up to that.

Speaker 2:
[07:34] Yeah. That's why they're so good at it.

Speaker 1:
[07:35] Yes. Very, very good.

Speaker 2:
[07:38] I know.

Speaker 6:
[07:39] Stereotype I've never heard.

Speaker 2:
[07:41] I know.

Speaker 1:
[07:41] Somebody call Rick Jackson. There's a new stereotype. I don't know if he can throw it to his-

Speaker 5:
[07:48] Not those bites from the reservation.

Speaker 1:
[07:51] You're like, hey, how are you?

Speaker 5:
[07:53] Hey, how are you?

Speaker 2:
[07:55] That's the music that plays behind it.

Speaker 1:
[07:59] Oh, for heaven's sake. Tim Andrews is the only person, and most people listening to me have never even heard of this show, but he's the only person that I know that likes that old show F Troop. Or maybe everybody does, and I was just the only one who hated it.

Speaker 5:
[08:10] Well, it was just on every morning.

Speaker 1:
[08:12] Yeah, I know. It was on all the time too.

Speaker 5:
[08:14] I liked Ken Berry.

Speaker 1:
[08:16] Who doesn't?

Speaker 5:
[08:17] Naturally, you know who I really love.

Speaker 1:
[08:18] One of the finest comic actors of our time.

Speaker 5:
[08:20] He was a good actor. I liked him from Mama's Family. But no, I liked Larry Storch.

Speaker 1:
[08:24] I know you do.

Speaker 5:
[08:25] Love Larry Storch.

Speaker 1:
[08:26] I know you do. When I was a kid, I couldn't stand Larry Storch. I'll tell you this. I was more of a soupy sales kid. I liked soupy sales. Maybe kids all broke. It was either Storch or Sales. And I was on the sales side.

Speaker 3:
[08:39] I have a feeling they don't make men like Larry Storch anymore. I don't even know who he is. Well, he lived to be almost a hundred.

Speaker 1:
[08:45] Well, it was obviously a stage name. But the way you think about it is like, why am I blanking on Barney Fife's Don Knotts? He was like that type. He was like a minor league Don Knotts. Am I wrong about that? A little bit, yeah. What did he get out of it? Did he win a Tony Award for something on Broadway?

Speaker 5:
[09:06] They didn't have the same career path. Larry Storch was a voice actor. He did a lot of cartoons and he did a lot of different voices here and there.

Speaker 1:
[09:13] That's why you like him.

Speaker 3:
[09:14] I don't really know any of them. I've heard those names, but I'm not familiar with these people. I didn't grow up with it.

Speaker 1:
[09:19] Well, you were watching reruns of The Goon Show or something.

Speaker 3:
[09:22] Two Ronnies. The two Ronnies.

Speaker 1:
[09:25] The two Ronnies. Was that the sitcom or something? Both named Ron?

Speaker 3:
[09:30] Ronnie Corbett and who was the other one? One was small, one was big, and they did sketch comedy and they were household names. And they had a weekly TV show. And it was obviously all sexist and whatever back then.

Speaker 1:
[09:42] Of course, because that's how it's funny in the 70s.

Speaker 5:
[09:45] What I liked about F-Troop was how true it was to the American Old West and how all of the Native Americans in the show were depicted, were played by actual Native Americans.

Speaker 1:
[09:55] Yes, you can change history like that if you'd like. Sure, go ahead. Hey, listen, we got a president who just speaks things into the, you know.

Speaker 5:
[10:02] Yeah, the Hikawa were the greatest Native American drivers.

Speaker 1:
[10:06] You know the Hikawa, I do know this, it was short for Where the Heck Are We. They wanted to call them with an F. They wanted to call them that.

Speaker 5:
[10:13] As a cleaner joke.

Speaker 1:
[10:14] Yeah, and the censors kind of picked it up and they switched it to. See, I may not have enjoyed the show, but I know a lot about the show.

Speaker 2:
[10:21] It's kind of funny.

Speaker 1:
[10:22] I like that joke. Yeah, it's funny. It's right up there with... It tickles her.

Speaker 5:
[10:26] Who didn't want to look at Jane for half an hour? Jane was the female, the only female.

Speaker 1:
[10:32] Yes, I know. And I think that they found out later that she was way underage. They didn't know. They thought she was 18 and she was 15 or something like that.

Speaker 5:
[10:39] When she started that show?

Speaker 1:
[10:40] Yes, that's why I just saw it. I saw it on YouTube. It's got to be true.

Speaker 5:
[10:44] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[10:44] Well.

Speaker 1:
[10:45] They don't lie on YouTube.

Speaker 2:
[10:46] No.

Speaker 3:
[10:47] No, it's online. It can't be lies.

Speaker 1:
[10:48] No, it's well regulated.

Speaker 2:
[10:50] It's not called LieTube.

Speaker 1:
[10:51] No, it's not.

Speaker 6:
[10:53] TruthTube.

Speaker 3:
[10:54] It's YouTube.

Speaker 5:
[10:56] They start in TruthTube.

Speaker 6:
[10:57] Be more than welcome to join us.

Speaker 1:
[11:00] Wouldn't it be great if he was like in his bedroom or something? It just sounds like shows where he talks about his first time hearing Drake. Trump response.

Speaker 5:
[11:12] Trump reaction videos.

Speaker 1:
[11:13] Trump reaction videos.

Speaker 2:
[11:15] Oh man, that'd be really good.

Speaker 5:
[11:17] Yeah. Quain, here it comes. Let's back it up a little bit. Here's where Freddie Mercury really hits that high note ready.

Speaker 3:
[11:22] We go, wow, oh my God.

Speaker 1:
[11:24] That's weird. Some of those reactions. You just see these things and that's one thing if somebody is 22 and they're saying, they're reacting to, I don't know.

Speaker 3:
[11:34] Something from 30 years ago.

Speaker 1:
[11:35] The dark side of the moon. That's believable that you would be like that old, 22, 23, and have never heard that album. But then sometimes it would be like voice instructor. There's somebody out there that's like singing instructor or something, this woman, and she's like 50. And it'll be like, first time hearing Bohemian Rhapsody. How the hell are you 50 and you've never heard? It's a lie. It's a big old, and that doesn't belong on YouTube. No!

Speaker 2:
[12:04] She's a known liar, that one.

Speaker 1:
[12:06] That one is a known liar.

Speaker 3:
[12:08] Shame.

Speaker 1:
[12:10] That's it, I'm throwing my computer away.

Speaker 3:
[12:12] Shame on these people.

Speaker 1:
[12:14] It'll be great.

Speaker 3:
[12:14] Fooling us.

Speaker 1:
[12:15] Just throw it all away.

Speaker 3:
[12:16] Oh, wonderful.

Speaker 2:
[12:17] And just walk out.

Speaker 5:
[12:18] Stare at the wind.

Speaker 1:
[12:20] It's great until you want to do something on it. It's like it'd be great to go out and just live. Oh, build a house in the rural hills and cross my fingers that the Manson clan isn't showing up at two in the morning, way out in the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 2:
[12:32] A hound and neighbor.

Speaker 1:
[12:34] It's great. It's great that you, in one sense, just get out of there, get out of this rat race. Just, you know, not no technology, but just limit it to the utilitarian.

Speaker 3:
[12:46] Just stuff that you need.

Speaker 1:
[12:47] Just stuff that you need. Not scrolling all the time. But then I think about it, you're out there like two weeks and you're like, man, it'd be nice to, I don't know, just like, just see another person.

Speaker 2:
[12:55] Just to disassociate for like two minutes.

Speaker 1:
[12:58] Just be somewhere where there's more than four people around.

Speaker 3:
[13:01] You know, I think in a healthy retirement, let's say, you could have a lot less phone and computer action in your life. That would be, maybe you just, a couple hours a week, you know, that's all you need. You got to pay some bills or do an email or something.

Speaker 1:
[13:14] I think what it really comes down to is there's a story in there, it might be in your bag of stories there, but about the young people trying to not do cell, do smartphones for like two weeks. Okay, well, I don't want to step on your bag, so that's good.

Speaker 3:
[13:29] My bag, baby.

Speaker 1:
[13:30] It's a big bag.

Speaker 3:
[13:32] Excuse me, getting older, it's lower.

Speaker 1:
[13:36] And it's English. It's a whole different ballgame. It's in pounds rather than dollars. Bloody bag.

Speaker 3:
[13:42] Look at the size of his bag, I say.

Speaker 1:
[13:44] Now I forget where I was going with that.

Speaker 3:
[13:48] It's not in my bag.

Speaker 1:
[13:49] I know it's not in your bag.

Speaker 3:
[13:50] The kids who were trying to not be on the phones.

Speaker 1:
[13:52] Yes, so the point for me on that is, I think that actually it's pretty easy if you think of it in this, just never use an iPad or phone. One, I can't say never. Never use your phone for purely entertainment purposes. Not meaning that now if you wanted to watch a race or a football game and you have to be out and there's something, oh, I can watch it on my, something you would be watching otherwise, but just I'm bored. I'm not picking up my phone because I know I'm going to look at this. I'm bored, so I'm gonna fill that time with just scrolling around on the phone. If you get rid of that aspect of it, there's a lot that the smartphone can do to help you out in your job, your career, whatever you're doing, but that I think is where the problem is. I'm bored, I'm not picking up the phone because there's a specific video I wanna watch. It's just that when I'm bored, I fill that hole with I'll just look at my phone, and that's where all the trouble starts. It's the same thing back with the television. If you were sitting down because you like the show and you want to watch the show, if you're just sitting on your ass, just going from channel to channel to channel, being bored and kind of entertained and then bored, and the whole idea is, I just don't wanna stand up today. That's what, as long as anything that you're doing is like-

Speaker 2:
[15:16] Directed.

Speaker 1:
[15:17] You're directed. I'm picking this up and I'm doing this because I want to find- Purposeful. Thank you very much.

Speaker 3:
[15:23] It's wonderful.

Speaker 1:
[15:24] Purpose driven life.

Speaker 3:
[15:24] That's a great word.

Speaker 2:
[15:25] Isn't that what that book's about?

Speaker 1:
[15:26] Yeah. But didn't that guy get scandalized over something? They all do.

Speaker 2:
[15:29] Maybe that was the million different pieces or whatever.

Speaker 1:
[15:31] Yeah, there was that one as well. He got scandalized. That's another thing comes up in my YouTube algorithm because he watched one video essay and then YouTube thinks you want 100 more. But then on this one, I watched a couple on these big mega church pastors that have gotten totally scandalized, usually for some sexual thing, but sometimes just for finances or something like that. Then there's another one and another one and another one. It's interesting. I don't know if I'm just seeing videos that are trying to persuade me of something, but if these videos are correct, the whole mega church thing has peaked and is going the other way. It used to be, build it as big as State Farm Arena or whatever. Joel Osteen just took over where the Rockets used to play, and that was his big thing. They didn't have a problem filling that up, and I guess now they do have a problem. It might not them particularly. I think they are.

Speaker 6:
[16:26] Do you pay more for Quartzide and those kind of things?

Speaker 1:
[16:28] Oh, yeah, absolutely. It's Alterside.

Speaker 3:
[16:30] Speaking of that.

Speaker 1:
[16:31] You're right there on the stage. I almost got hit by a bass guitar last time.

Speaker 3:
[16:35] Three and a half grand if you want to sit Quartzide tonight. Down at St. Pomerania.

Speaker 1:
[16:40] I think some of it is because...

Speaker 3:
[16:41] 160 up in the nosebleeds.

Speaker 1:
[16:42] Am I wrong? Those mega churches, it was like half life coaching. It wasn't really about a deep dive into the biblical passages. Obviously, they are a part of it, but it was more like, hey, God wants you to be successful. Okay. Hey, I'm kind of a loser. That makes me feel good. God wants me to be successful. So what that means, and then what you can really take from that, if the preaching gets to a lot of God wants to be successful, you can cut some corners. God's okay with that. Yay.

Speaker 5:
[17:16] I have a gift shop. And a coffee shop.

Speaker 1:
[17:21] Hey, just not get down on the Protestants too much, my friend, because I remember years ago when I was in New York City, I'm like, oh, St. Patrick's Cathedral. I walk in there and the first thing I saw was a gift shop to the right.

Speaker 5:
[17:33] Well, that's a destination church.

Speaker 2:
[17:35] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[17:36] St. Patrick's, they don't have that.

Speaker 1:
[17:37] Jesus still got angry with whom?

Speaker 2:
[17:41] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[17:42] Well, not those selling.

Speaker 5:
[17:44] You got to be the right ones.

Speaker 1:
[17:48] Let's put it this way, in true Christianity, there should be no gift shops.

Speaker 5:
[17:52] I agree.

Speaker 1:
[17:53] There should be no. No, you're not there. She knows.

Speaker 6:
[18:01] I'm ready to go to the gift shop in heaven. What are you talking about?

Speaker 1:
[18:06] I remember, I walked in there and there were little busts of the Pope. Yeah. And I just thought, isn't this exactly what Jesus was getting mad about? I don't know.

Speaker 5:
[18:19] I would think.

Speaker 1:
[18:20] Do you? I don't know. Maybe it does.

Speaker 5:
[18:22] I went through a phase.

Speaker 1:
[18:23] If you open a church, if you open a business, you want to dominate.

Speaker 5:
[18:28] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[18:28] Right? But I don't think opening a church should be the same thing. Certainly, you don't want to go into debt, and the rules make it to pay taxes and stuff, but opening a church should just be... Ideally, a pastor opening a new church would think to himself, you know what? If I change 30 people's lives.

Speaker 3:
[18:51] Yeah, for the good of people is what it should be.

Speaker 1:
[18:53] That's what it should be. It shouldn't be, we're going to be the biggest, baddest brand. Your church shouldn't have a brand. It shouldn't have a slogan.

Speaker 5:
[19:01] We've got guitar picks out in the gift shop.

Speaker 1:
[19:05] It's so interesting. I've been doing a little bit of a deep dive in that. I'll get into that maybe some other time. But yeah, according to a lot of these video essays I'm seeing, that the megachurch thing has peaked, and they're basically kind of having trouble filling the seats, in a lot of them. Because a lot of the scandals...

Speaker 5:
[19:22] If it were like Righteous Gemstones, it would be a lot of fun to go.

Speaker 1:
[19:26] Right, it was fun for about... I'm a little critical of Righteous Gemstones.

Speaker 5:
[19:31] I loved it.

Speaker 3:
[19:32] I loved it too.

Speaker 1:
[19:33] I thought it was hilarious, but it could have ended one season earlier.

Speaker 5:
[19:36] It could have. I'm glad it didn't.

Speaker 3:
[19:38] It got... But the monkey was funny in the final season.

Speaker 1:
[19:41] You know what it is? I don't know what it... No, there was a lot of stuff that was funny in everything. I think there was a lot of hilarious stuff.

Speaker 3:
[19:47] The Sister Gets All the Best Lines.

Speaker 1:
[19:48] After a while, I don't know what it was. They kept it grounded in reality enough that I had difficulty sort of suspending disbelief. Like at this point, after three seasons, what was it, four seasons all told? Let's say after two seasons, everybody would have been in jail. Like there were fires, people were murdered. And I don't like... It doesn't bother me that Seinfeld is a cartoon, and when it's over, they just reset. I never had a problem with It's Always Sunny, you know, they're a cartoon, because I think that, especially Always Sunny, they are so disconnected from reality. But Righteous Gemstones kept it that they weren't a complete con. They were actually religious. So they had these anchor stones to the ground that make me think, why didn't somebody call the cops when that place got burnt down and all those people died? You guys are always there. Well, have a scene where they pay them off. You know, like something, some sort of explanation.

Speaker 3:
[20:55] There's a lot of shows. Ozark is the same way. Ozark, they should have all been put in jail after like three episodes.

Speaker 5:
[21:01] Right.

Speaker 3:
[21:01] You know, it was crazy.

Speaker 1:
[21:02] I remember, was it, which one? There was a school, there was a time when Homicide was on and there was one about a school maybe in Baltimore or something. What was his name? Yafet Kodo, great actor.

Speaker 5:
[21:15] Oh yeah, he's awesome.

Speaker 1:
[21:16] He was like the principal. But every week, something would go down in this school. It was very well acted, it was well written, but after like four episodes, I'm like, this school would have been closed down and probably knocked down.

Speaker 6:
[21:32] How about Murder She Wrote?

Speaker 5:
[21:33] Somebody dies in that little town every week?

Speaker 1:
[21:34] Yeah, yeah, I never watched that show.

Speaker 5:
[21:37] I think she was killing them.

Speaker 1:
[21:38] Yeah, what was that, Cabot Cove or something like that?

Speaker 5:
[21:40] I don't even know, but it was just the same town every week, I thought, and somebody dies in that she has to...

Speaker 3:
[21:45] I was just going to say Midsummer Murders on the BBC. There would be nobody left in the village if that many people died all the time.

Speaker 1:
[21:51] Now, yeah, because I looked it up. Something like 455. That show's still on. They're on like their third actor.

Speaker 3:
[21:59] I haven't kept up with the way you are.

Speaker 5:
[22:00] Nothing to see here, folks.

Speaker 1:
[22:02] No, I haven't. I haven't watched Midsummer Murders in a while. It's like I really, really liked it for a while. I liked that first guy. But after a while, it just kind of becomes a formula.

Speaker 3:
[22:11] Is it John Nettles? Yes.

Speaker 1:
[22:14] He should have been Bond back in the day, don't you think?

Speaker 3:
[22:17] Yeah, he was Bergerac, which was a police officer, a detective on the channel.

Speaker 1:
[22:22] Yeah, it's a very 70s kind of show. I watched a little bit of it. Yeah, it was very, it's like a, it was like a...

Speaker 3:
[22:26] Like Banachick.

Speaker 1:
[22:27] An English version of a 70s show, you know.

Speaker 3:
[22:30] But he wasn't, he was a gentle guy. Yeah, he wasn't like a forceful...

Speaker 1:
[22:34] No, I think they sort of missed something there. They probably should have gone to him rather than Timothy Dalton.

Speaker 3:
[22:40] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[22:41] Oh no, whoever got those bonds were going to be in trouble because I think they had low budgets, as I recall. There it is. That's the music from Midsummer Murders. And the only thing about the English stuff is, you know, they don't have pistol, you know, they don't really have a lot of guns, but it's a rural area. They do have long guns. So people are murdered by, like, axes, pitchforks, chain saws, garden implements. All right, English Nick.

Speaker 3:
[23:19] Okay, American Eric.

Speaker 1:
[23:21] We've had the foreplay, now it's time to get down to business with some tootle pip.

Speaker 3:
[23:25] Well, let me put my pants back on.

Speaker 1:
[23:27] Well, no, no, no, now is nothing.

Speaker 3:
[23:28] Oh, now you want me to come off? I see.

Speaker 1:
[23:30] No, no, no, I was, yeah. Get it in! You know, the cultures are different in England and America. You know, words mean different things.

Speaker 3:
[23:38] That's why we don't understand each other. That's why it's gonna take a visit from King Charles to make it all right.

Speaker 1:
[23:43] Are you gonna go see King Charles when he comes to America?

Speaker 3:
[23:45] No, not at all.

Speaker 1:
[23:46] No?

Speaker 3:
[23:46] No, I like his mom better.

Speaker 1:
[23:48] Really?

Speaker 3:
[23:48] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[23:49] Well, she's not with us any longer. I know.

Speaker 3:
[23:51] I'm sad about that.

Speaker 1:
[23:52] I hear he's actually a much nicer person than people think he is.

Speaker 3:
[23:56] I think King Charles might be a nice bloke, actually.

Speaker 5:
[23:58] What problems do you have with me?

Speaker 3:
[24:01] Well, I was talking to your youngest son.

Speaker 1:
[24:03] I like the fact that he told Harry, all right, just get the hell out of here. Just leave me alone.

Speaker 7:
[24:07] I'll take that terrible wife of yours and get out.

Speaker 1:
[24:10] All right. What do you got in the tootle pips?

Speaker 3:
[24:11] This is from variety.com. Michael Jackson's nephew slams media ahead of the Michael biopic release. He says, can't wait till some critics have to eat crow.

Speaker 1:
[24:22] All right. Now, he's got one thing right and one thing wrong. He's confusing things. I have not read one single good review of this movie. It's been compared to a TV movie, right? So it's bad.

Speaker 2:
[24:36] It's really inaccurate.

Speaker 1:
[24:37] It's bad. And well, that's all biopics are inaccurate.

Speaker 2:
[24:40] True, true, true.

Speaker 1:
[24:41] So there's some of the people from Queen. Well, they had to go back. And so apparently, the first time around, and this footage either still exists or has been destroyed, the last third of the movie, it ends with some of the allegations and stuff. And it was meant to be two-parter, I think. So there's a third of the movie, the end of the movie, and then they found out. So the Jackson estate was told that they couldn't do it based on something that somebody owned, some contract that was signed a long time ago with the estate.

Speaker 3:
[25:16] One of the accusers couldn't be you, they couldn't show him in the movie.

Speaker 1:
[25:20] They wanted to end it with that 13-year-old that accused him, that started everything. But part of that whole settlement was that he could never be used in that kind of way. And they went and made the movie that way. So then they had to go back.

Speaker 3:
[25:31] Reshoot.

Speaker 1:
[25:32] And reshoot, just redo the whole ending. And my understanding is like two-thirds of the way in, you could feel it. It just all of a sudden feels like you're... And it just ends all of a sudden with him performing somewhere. But much like the Queen movie. But the difference being, as I heard somebody say, a reviewer say, in the Queen movie, you knew the whole time you were working your way to that final performance. Whereas in the Michael Jackson movie, it's kind of like, well, here he is performing some songs and the movie's over. But what I want to say, though, is he's not the critics, but this movie is going to make a lot of money because it's called Michael, and it's about Michael Jackson, and this guy is a worldwide celebrity. Megathot. So the movie's going to make a lot of money, but it's still going to be the same crappy movie. It's not like the critics are going to have to eat their words. It's just that it's still going to make, I would imagine, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars.

Speaker 6:
[26:29] And I saw the premiere on Monday for it, and I feel like more of the story that you get from it is about Michael's dad, Joe. And in my opinion, the reason why you go with the name Michael is obviously because you get more eyeballs, you get more people invested in it. In reality, when you-

Speaker 2:
[26:43] Yeah, it should be called like Joe.

Speaker 6:
[26:45] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[26:46] Michael's old man.

Speaker 6:
[26:47] It may as well be. I mean, you learn more-

Speaker 1:
[26:49] Michael's old man. Old man Joe.

Speaker 6:
[26:52] You learn more about him and his story, and he's a more complex character.

Speaker 1:
[26:56] And that story, by the way, has been told before. It was a TV movie, I think, in the early 2000s that was pretty famous, and it was all about how cruel that guy was.

Speaker 3:
[27:07] He was whooping him up.

Speaker 5:
[27:08] Now, does this movie end when Michael's at Live Aid and he tells everybody that he likes boys?

Speaker 2:
[27:16] Every biopic ends that way now.

Speaker 3:
[27:18] That would be a great place to end it.

Speaker 1:
[27:20] Again, I can't- most of these biopics, the one that nobody talks about to me is the best one, and that's Love and Mercy, the one about Brian Wilson. That one is really, really good. I haven't seen the Rocket Man one. I've seen that one. Love and Mercy is fantastic movie. It's just a great movie. You don't have to be a fan of the Beach Boys or Brian Wilson. You just have to enjoy good movies. And that's the thing with biopics. And that's what I understood about the Michael movie, is when they're done wrong, they just feel like they're checking boxes. Okay, that happened, that happened, that happened. And they just move to these things that you already know about somebody. Love and Mercy is full of stuff that, if you care or are interested in Brian Wilson, The Beach Boys, you learn things that you didn't know. And if you're not a fan, it just works as a good movie.

Speaker 6:
[28:07] Right, right.

Speaker 1:
[28:08] And that's how, I think that's how these biopics should be judged. If no one had ever heard of this person, which seems impossible, that nobody would have heard of Michael Jackson, but if somebody walks in there and they have no idea who Michael Jackson is, they should be the ones who tell you whether or not it's a good movie.

Speaker 6:
[28:24] Yeah, and if you were to go in with that perspective, you would find that movie would be just kind of clunky, kind of hard to follow. You still find that he's incredibly mysterious, and it does end, assuming that there's going to be some kind of part two. But hey, there is hope. Billie Eilish has got a biopic coming out in a month.

Speaker 1:
[28:39] Oh, no, no, no. No, no.

Speaker 3:
[28:41] I thought hers was a concert movie.

Speaker 6:
[28:42] Yeah, concert movie.

Speaker 3:
[28:43] It's a concert movie.

Speaker 1:
[28:44] Oh, it's a concert movie.

Speaker 6:
[28:46] There's going to be a little bit about her story too.

Speaker 3:
[28:47] James Cameron shot this thing. It's meant to be groundbreaking.

Speaker 1:
[28:49] Is it underwater?

Speaker 2:
[28:50] No, I held my breath.

Speaker 1:
[28:52] Did she hold her breath the whole time? You are talented.

Speaker 2:
[28:55] The Titanic goes deep into that big deep trench. And you can't breathe down there. You get squished because it's...

Speaker 1:
[29:07] Billie Eilish, wake up. You appear to be asleep. We're trying to talk to you on the radio. Could you just wake up?

Speaker 3:
[29:14] She woke up at Coachella this weekend when Justin Bieber was hugging her a lot. He's very hansy.

Speaker 1:
[29:20] Was he hansy? You know what? We may be very close to what I've always dreamed of. I've wanted to live long enough to see Justin Bieber become creepy in the eyes of some women.

Speaker 3:
[29:32] I just thought it was a bit much. Did you, Jared?

Speaker 6:
[29:35] I saw the set. So let me give some context.

Speaker 1:
[29:37] Oh, he's going to tell you why Justin Bieber.

Speaker 6:
[29:39] This is a big deal here. So Billie Eilish grew up as a gigantic Justin Bieber fan. For her entire life, she went viral as a kid having Justin Bieber photos all around her room. So it was an homage to her childhood.

Speaker 3:
[29:51] And he also...

Speaker 1:
[29:51] So he's allowed to get all hansy.

Speaker 6:
[29:53] Yeah, he got all up there. He said, you're the only girl in the world that's saying to her like that. It's one of his songs.

Speaker 3:
[29:57] Also, when she was starting to break out, he reached out to say, here's the do's and don'ts and what to watch out for.

Speaker 1:
[30:03] Don't do anything I did. I think that was his advice. Anything that I did, don't do that.

Speaker 3:
[30:08] If you're in London and you're getting in a taxi or a minibus and you start picking a fight with big British paparazzi, don't do that.

Speaker 1:
[30:17] Also, don't use your body as a tattoo canvas from head to toe, which he has done. He has done that.

Speaker 3:
[30:25] I think Bieber actually...

Speaker 1:
[30:27] Was that his image like when he started out? No, I'm not going after tattoos. I'm just saying he decided to like kind of brand himself as like a hardcore rapper or something.

Speaker 3:
[30:37] It's a story on his skin, Eric.

Speaker 1:
[30:38] Oh, okay. I have a buddy.

Speaker 5:
[30:40] He had to rebel.

Speaker 1:
[30:41] I have a lifelong buddy. Every time I see him...

Speaker 3:
[30:43] Oh, he said that, because now you hate him.

Speaker 1:
[30:44] Every time I see him, he's got a new one. Oh, it's a story. It's like, I know your story. I've known you since I was four years old.

Speaker 3:
[30:51] I missed a chapter, I see.

Speaker 1:
[30:52] You don't have to strip naked in front of me. I can see your story. There's you right there.

Speaker 3:
[30:55] There's you right there. You're on my forearm.

Speaker 1:
[30:57] I should have asked that question. Where am I?

Speaker 2:
[30:58] Yeah, where are you in his story?

Speaker 1:
[31:01] I know where you are.

Speaker 3:
[31:02] Yeah, I know exactly where I belong.

Speaker 1:
[31:06] Something should remain unsaid and secretive. And some things are so special, you don't ever want the sun to shine on them.

Speaker 3:
[31:15] No.

Speaker 1:
[31:16] And that's where you got to keep it.

Speaker 3:
[31:17] Especially when you burn like we do.

Speaker 1:
[31:20] Except for what?

Speaker 3:
[31:23] Who?

Speaker 1:
[31:24] All right, we got another story for you?

Speaker 3:
[31:25] Speaking of our favorite pop stars, Mariah Carey has reacted to getting snubbed by the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1:
[31:32] Rock and Roll fans have reacted to her ever being nominated for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3:
[31:36] She was asked by a TMZ report, and she's like, look, I wish everybody well, they're talented, but who cares? Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[31:42] First of all, you're not snubbed if you're nominated.

Speaker 3:
[31:45] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[31:46] That doesn't, you're snubbed if you're not nominated. So it's Boston that's been continually snubbed.

Speaker 3:
[31:51] Sticks?

Speaker 1:
[31:51] Will they ever? Yeah, Sticks to me is a little, I don't know.

Speaker 5:
[31:56] They're a rock band.

Speaker 3:
[31:57] I saw them, I was at my Sticks, Eric.

Speaker 5:
[31:59] You take...

Speaker 1:
[32:01] No, I know they're a rock band.

Speaker 5:
[32:02] Well, you got to remove that one album that destroyed them, Mr. Roboto, or Killroy was here.

Speaker 1:
[32:07] The one before it.

Speaker 5:
[32:08] That was a huge success.

Speaker 1:
[32:09] I know it was, but I came across a full concert of Paradise Theater. And it was just... What's the actress? What's this guy's name?

Speaker 5:
[32:17] Dennis DeYoung.

Speaker 1:
[32:18] He wanted to be on Broadway. Yeah. And you could see the rest of the band. He's out there. The lights are low. And you could see the rest of the band are just waiting to be able to rock.

Speaker 5:
[32:28] But the banger on that album is Too Much Time on My Hand.

Speaker 1:
[32:30] Yes. Too much time on my hand.

Speaker 5:
[32:32] And I think because of everything prior to that, they should...

Speaker 1:
[32:34] They should certainly be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame before Janet Jackson, for instance. But as I was driving here today, it's interesting that this came up, because I was thinking to myself, I really want to discipline myself on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, because the real truth is, and I can never do it, I'm doing it again now, I'm ranting about the Rock. The real truth is, it doesn't deserve my attention. It's a joke. Who cares who gets in and who doesn't get in?

Speaker 3:
[33:00] It's a museum of music at this point.

Speaker 1:
[33:03] If they were smart, they would call it the Museum of Pop Music or something like that.

Speaker 2:
[33:07] Or just music, so that they can put Rock and Roll, Pop, Rap, all of that.

Speaker 3:
[33:12] Just call it The Hole and then you can put anything in there. The Hole.

Speaker 1:
[33:15] I think it should be a museum of halls, like some of the best hallways of all time.

Speaker 3:
[33:21] We have a pretty good one that goes that way here.

Speaker 1:
[33:23] I'm nominating and I'm not going to snub our hallways. What are you saying? You call it Clav?

Speaker 6:
[33:32] Yeah, his nickname is Clav. We've been calling it, we've been very proper saying it.

Speaker 1:
[33:35] Clavicular. Well, hold on, it's not his birth name.

Speaker 6:
[33:38] No, I'm saying like that's what the streamers call him, his Clav.

Speaker 1:
[33:40] Oh wow, if you really care.

Speaker 6:
[33:41] I tuned into his stream and actually was trying to do some research on it.

Speaker 1:
[33:45] Oh yeah. Does he do it topless? Is this on Twitch?

Speaker 6:
[33:49] It's on Kick, where he does it.

Speaker 1:
[33:51] Is Kick like Twitch?

Speaker 6:
[33:52] In a way, yes. But I mean-

Speaker 1:
[33:54] Do you watch people play video games and some nonsense like that?

Speaker 6:
[33:57] He's the only stream that I checked out. I just downloaded the app, so I think he has Riz, right? Yeah, I guess so.

Speaker 1:
[34:03] He's got Riz, man. Come on, we're talking about him. He's not talking about us. Who's got the Riz? He's not the Rizler.

Speaker 5:
[34:09] The Rizler is the Rizler. He's cool.

Speaker 1:
[34:11] Is he? His moment is come and gone, right?

Speaker 5:
[34:15] He's almost at puberty.

Speaker 1:
[34:16] The Rizler. I think when he made it into that NFL commercial last year.

Speaker 5:
[34:21] That was it.

Speaker 1:
[34:21] Or was it an ESP? It was an NFL at the beginning of the season, the new season. And I guess he's a Giants fan. So once he made it into that, I thought, okay, that's peak Rizler.

Speaker 3:
[34:31] He peaked it.

Speaker 1:
[34:32] It's as far as good as it can go. But Clavicular is the smacking guy who is most famous for, he'll smashes, he'll break his bones in his face with a hammer to make it look better. And so he was on kick when this happened.

Speaker 3:
[34:45] What happened? He announced a 500 girl modeling competition where the winner gets pregnant by him.

Speaker 1:
[34:52] Okay, I had to say this. I want to be an old man who responds to an influencer like this. I heard this audio. I think he's joking.

Speaker 4:
[34:59] Do you want kids? Yes, I want to have kids. Dude, I need to have kids. I need to have kids yesterday. I've been wanting to figure that out. I need to get some HCG. So I'm actually going to do a competition where, like Zirka said, we have 500 girls who come up and do a competition, like a beauty pageant or something. Then I can f*** the winner and Zirka f*** the other 499. I'm going to be a dad in the next couple of months.

Speaker 1:
[35:26] I look at that video and I'm going to be a dad in the next couple of months. It's going to take at least nine.

Speaker 3:
[35:33] I think legally this man should have a vasectomy. I think he should not bring anybody into the world. No, not at all. What a complete...

Speaker 1:
[35:42] Now, here's the thing. The problem with evolution is it doesn't work quick enough because if he has a son, it's not as if the son's going to have to smash his face with a hammer as well.

Speaker 3:
[35:54] It's not just going to be picked up.

Speaker 6:
[35:56] We'll have Clav2.

Speaker 3:
[35:57] Clav2. It's equal.

Speaker 5:
[35:59] What does it even mean, Clavicle? What does it mean, Clavicular? Clavicular.

Speaker 1:
[36:03] I don't know. It's a name you remember.

Speaker 5:
[36:05] Clavicular.

Speaker 1:
[36:05] Clavicular has to do with your Clavicle, I guess. What?

Speaker 7:
[36:08] The bone, the collarbone.

Speaker 1:
[36:10] Yeah, it's the Clavicle, though. But why Clavicular?

Speaker 3:
[36:12] Maybe he has a great Clavicle.

Speaker 2:
[36:15] Yeah, because that is something that people will show off if they have it.

Speaker 5:
[36:19] Check out my Clavicle.

Speaker 1:
[36:21] I find Clavicles when you can notice them on people to be very disconcerting. Like when the bones are kind of like so present there. I don't want to see your skeleton. I don't want to be able to look at you and just go, oh, that's what you go. You like thinking about it. I have many comments and complements actually for my...

Speaker 3:
[36:43] Your clavs.

Speaker 1:
[36:43] My clavs. I'm in the top 80% of good-looking clavicles. Good-looking clavicles.

Speaker 3:
[36:53] Nationally or just in Roswell?

Speaker 1:
[36:55] It's on Madden. I don't know. I rated somewhere in them. They have a whole clavicle thing.

Speaker 6:
[37:01] You just take a picture of your phone, it's easy.

Speaker 1:
[37:03] You know what happened to me the other day is I had an old man moment. For some reason, my muscles were tense, so I was rubbing them down with what you call that salon pass, that stuff. I'm looking in the mirror and I was like, oh no, it's like as you get older, you lose your muscle mass. I'm just looking and it's like I'm really looking like an old man. It's all skinny up there on my shoulders and stuff, and it's like, I do, I need to start lifting weight.

Speaker 6:
[37:35] You get on the treadmill.

Speaker 2:
[37:36] You get on the treadmill, and just go for it. Just stand there, 10 minutes a day, lifting up a weight.

Speaker 1:
[37:41] Well, it's not that hard, 10 minutes a day.

Speaker 2:
[37:45] 10 minutes is nothing.

Speaker 6:
[37:46] Then since you do your walks here at WSB.

Speaker 1:
[37:47] Can I just get some sort of plastic surgery with those little stick muscle mass back in there?

Speaker 2:
[37:51] They could. They could do that. It's an implant.

Speaker 1:
[37:53] I'm sure it'll look great. It won't look out of proportion or anything.

Speaker 6:
[37:58] Just get one of those weighted backpacks and when you walk around here at WSB, just put the backpack on and you'll be working out other parts of your body.

Speaker 2:
[38:04] The security will tackle him.

Speaker 5:
[38:06] Yeah. No, they won't.

Speaker 2:
[38:06] He's going to get the best.

Speaker 1:
[38:08] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[38:09] It's wired.

Speaker 1:
[38:11] This guy's a danger to himself and others. English Nick, how are things going in the classic rock world?

Speaker 3:
[38:19] Things are going. There's a lot of concerts this year. Do you think we get to a point where how can there be any more concerts?

Speaker 1:
[38:25] Are we going to get the real Foreigner? I've been seeing that every once in a while now, the actual real Foreigner, I know because they're all old, end up doing shows together.

Speaker 3:
[38:36] It's, what's his name? Lou Graham shows up now and again.

Speaker 1:
[38:39] No, no, no. I know that sometimes Lou Graham, but if you look on YouTube, there have been a couple of shows where everybody's 70. It's like the actual old band and I don't know how often they do it.

Speaker 3:
[38:51] Because the singer had been doing it for 20 years, Kelly Hansen, he stepped away.

Speaker 1:
[38:55] He's like, I'm too old.

Speaker 3:
[38:56] He just didn't want to tour anymore. So one of the guitar players who's younger than him is neither singer.

Speaker 5:
[39:01] Lou has a new solo album out of it.

Speaker 3:
[39:03] He's touring by himself, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[39:05] Well, all right. He is the second most famous person from Rochester, New York.

Speaker 5:
[39:13] Who's the first?

Speaker 1:
[39:14] Me.

Speaker 5:
[39:14] Oh, I should have known that.

Speaker 1:
[39:16] Thank you, English man.

Speaker 3:
[39:16] Thank you so much everybody.

Speaker 1:
[39:23] Part two of The Von Haessler Doctrine begins when I damn well say it, right now. I've decided it's gonna be right now. And tonight's the big night. When I say the big night, what I'm saying is, finally, no more mock drafts. This has been the most idiotic year. It is the NFL draft tonight, Autumn, if you were not aware of that. Teams will be drafting college players to join their team.

Speaker 2:
[39:53] And that's when they have the cameras at their houses and they're all excited.

Speaker 1:
[39:57] Well, it's interesting that you bring that up. I think you're probably remembering the pandemic year when everything was done from people's homes. Now, usually, there's 25 of the best prospects will be invited by the NFL to be at the draft, which is in Pittsburgh this year. And it's a great honor and to be invited. And sometimes it's embarrassing. Brady Quinn, I don't know if you remember that. They thought he was going to go quick and he just kind of sat there all night long, which would happen from time to time. Shadour Sanders famously was not invited, I believe. And so he created his own thing. Well, there's only one person that anyone nationally is interested in this draft. It's considered to be a very weak draft. Now, how will it turn out? Maybe you'll get a bunch of people on offensive lines and defensive lines that will matter, but it's not...

Speaker 6:
[40:50] We won't know for four years.

Speaker 1:
[40:52] Yeah, it's just not considered to be a weak draft. With one exception, everyone knows who's going to go number one to the Raiders, and that's Fernando Mendoza. And he's not going. He was invited and he said no, he didn't want to be there. And I guess the NFL, the story today is that they got in touch with Peyton Manning and had Peyton Manning talk to him and try to convince him to go to the NFL draft because they literally have no other star, you know? And he said no again. Turns out that his mother is wheelchair bound. I can't remember exactly what her affliction is, but his mother is living with a, you know, she's, it's something chronic. She just has to live with it all her life. And he wants to have a bunch of family around. He says it's difficult to travel. And so he's just not going to be there. So the NFL has one of the weakest drafts they've had in a decade. And the only person that anyone is interested in is not going to be at the draft. So it should be, is anybody going to be watching? Really?

Speaker 6:
[41:57] I know what I'm going to be doing tonight. We'll be watching the draft.

Speaker 1:
[41:59] Oh, you'll be watching the Atlanta Hawks.

Speaker 6:
[42:01] I'll be at the game tonight.

Speaker 1:
[42:02] You know, Jared Yamamoto made an actually pretty funny video that he put on, what, on your Insta?

Speaker 6:
[42:09] It's on my Insta and my TikTok.

Speaker 5:
[42:10] Is it viral yet?

Speaker 6:
[42:12] It's not viral yet.

Speaker 1:
[42:14] Okay, but he has hopes. But I'm telling you, it's actually pretty funny. He basically is telling the Hawks they need to hire him. What do you call it? A personality hire?

Speaker 6:
[42:23] A personality hire.

Speaker 1:
[42:24] It doesn't mind if he sits on the bench the whole time. You need me.

Speaker 2:
[42:30] You're like Flavor Flav, the hype man.

Speaker 1:
[42:34] Or the old guy with, oh, what was that? Who did that Tennessee? They had an old guy. Arrested Development. Arrested Development had the old guy in the rocking chair. It's just somebody there is a personality hire. Then Jared Yamamoto recorded himself making shots at the LA Fitness. And he cuts out every shot that he missed. And it looks like he's just banging one after another. It's actually quite funny. Where can people see that?

Speaker 6:
[43:06] At Jared Yamamoto on Instagram and TikTok. I put it up on my Facebook. I'll put it up on the show pages too.

Speaker 1:
[43:12] Put it up on the show. We have show pages?

Speaker 6:
[43:14] For our Facebook and for Instagram.

Speaker 1:
[43:16] No idea. Stefan told me the other day, I went on two plus two equals four. Is that still around?

Speaker 6:
[43:21] That's Autumn's group. Autumn managed it very well.

Speaker 1:
[43:23] She does not, she forgot she even started it.

Speaker 5:
[43:26] He likes to post polls and Stefan posted one. Who's your favorite non-doctrine air? I immediately said Stefan.

Speaker 1:
[43:36] We talked about it on the podcast that was attached to the show yesterday and we do those every once in a while. The thing about online, they tell me is if you're going to be on there, you got to be there every single time you say and people got to know. And I'm like, not for me, we'll just toss up a podcast every once in a while. When is it nice to be a surprise? Like you think the show is over and then all of a sudden, oh, there's a podcast.

Speaker 6:
[44:01] I see 30 more minutes here.

Speaker 1:
[44:02] What's going on here? Is it a 30 minute commercial?

Speaker 6:
[44:05] I would not be surprised if some podcasts are doing that.

Speaker 1:
[44:09] Ah, the podcasting just gets better and better and better.

Speaker 5:
[44:12] Well, I just got my army of followers on Tik Tok, just shared it with them.

Speaker 1:
[44:17] Oh, very good. You call it the Tim Army?

Speaker 5:
[44:19] The Tim Army, that's right.

Speaker 1:
[44:21] Andrews Army?

Speaker 5:
[44:22] Related to Dick Army. Remember him?

Speaker 1:
[44:24] Oh, I remember Richard Army. See, I show respect.

Speaker 5:
[44:26] Okay. My 1300 followers.

Speaker 1:
[44:30] I met Dick Army once.

Speaker 5:
[44:31] You did?

Speaker 1:
[44:31] I did. Yeah, he was a nice guy. What do you think? It's not a joke.

Speaker 5:
[44:36] No, I just remember to joke someone who made about him that I can't share.

Speaker 1:
[44:39] Oh, yes. You and what? That one?

Speaker 6:
[44:44] No.

Speaker 1:
[44:46] All right. So President Trump is just talking and talking and talking.

Speaker 5:
[44:52] Is this live?

Speaker 6:
[44:53] We could pull him up if you want to. No.

Speaker 5:
[44:55] Sorry.

Speaker 1:
[44:56] I have all the time in the world to reach a deal. Yeah, he just says things.

Speaker 5:
[45:00] We're just going to reach a big deal with the Iranians.

Speaker 1:
[45:03] He just says things. Now he's saying, it doesn't matter how long it takes for me to reach a deal with terror. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 5:
[45:10] Really?

Speaker 1:
[45:10] It doesn't matter?

Speaker 5:
[45:11] I could do it right now, but I'm not gonna.

Speaker 1:
[45:14] Yeah, it's just the silliest thing in the world. We are on the precipice of a... Already, many experts are saying this is the worst energy crisis in history. And if you're not feeling it now in a few weeks, you are going to feel it. And it affects so much. Fertilizer comes out of this part of the world. We're going into planting season. This is going to go into... And of course, we're in America, so we're going to do okay even how bad it gets. But it's quite possible that people are going to end up starving in third world countries because of this. And then you get to say, no, I'm the president. I strictly speak to Cormaga. Because I've told them never to listen to anyone else. It's all fake unless you hear it from me. So let me tell you, I could make a deal right now. I'm choosing not to. I've got all the time in the world. You know who doesn't have all the time in the world? Australia. They've got about five weeks of gas left. If this doesn't stop soon, and I was thinking about it last night, and I know this is controversial, let's just get the hell out of there. Yeah, this is controversial, and I'm going to say it. Let's just take the L. You know, Vietnam, which this is looking a lot like, the generals and the people in the high positions were understood by 1969 that we were not going to win that war. From 1969 to when it was over in 74, it kind of calmed down in like 72, but people did die up to 74. So from 1969 to 1974 was all about how to get out and save face.

Speaker 5:
[46:58] Peace with honor.

Speaker 1:
[46:59] Peace with honor. Well, there was no peace with honor. We got out in 1974, you can go look at the imagery, people hanging from helicopters in Saigon. It wasn't honorable. Two years later, we were all celebrating the Bicentennial, and now Vietnam was a tourist destination. But from 69 to 74, all those Americans just died, got killed, and Vietnamese, for no good reason. In 74, we left, it was humiliating. In 1969, everybody at the top knew that we couldn't win. And it was all about, how do we get out of... You know what? Let's learn our lesson from history. Let's just take the L, let's lose the face, and let's move on. And let's, hey, let's take the L, and let's not have a global recession. How about that? How about that? Consider it an act of charity to the world at this point. And you got this guy saying, I could make a deal right now, but I'm choosing not to, because I've got all the time in the world, because there's a shrinking group of people who believe everything that I say. So they actually believe that I have leverage here. Can you believe that? I can hardly believe that, but they do. And I'm just going to keep on feeding. This idea, America has done these sort of things. I mean, did America lose Afghanistan? I would say we lost it pretty good. Nobody cares in America a year later. But you know what they will care about a year later? A global recession.

Speaker 5:
[48:32] Not having food.

Speaker 1:
[48:34] Not being able to afford anything. It's just sometimes, let's not try. Let's just end it in some way where everybody can say they won, but end it. There's nothing good that's going to... Who cares what CORE MAGA thinks? Who the F cares?

Speaker 6:
[48:54] I think some people are certain...

Speaker 1:
[48:55] CORE MAGA agrees with what Donald Trump is going to say at 3 p.m. next Wednesday. Who cares what they think?

Speaker 6:
[49:02] And I think even now, you're starting to see these stories where overall people are losing interest because I'm seeing stories like, oh, your barbecue is going to cost more this summer because of the war in Iran. Oh, condoms are going to cost more because of the war in Iran.

Speaker 1:
[49:16] Condoms are going up, for heaven sakes.

Speaker 2:
[49:17] Barbecues and condoms.

Speaker 5:
[49:19] Those two go hand in hand.

Speaker 2:
[49:21] They sure do.

Speaker 1:
[49:22] No fun this summer.

Speaker 2:
[49:23] I put all my barbecue sauce in the condoms and grill them right up.

Speaker 5:
[49:26] My rhythm game is on point.

Speaker 1:
[49:30] We just learn a lesson. The lesson for future presidents and this president is, don't go to war without a plan. Don't go to war without a plan. His plan was, this war will be over in five days. Once we got to day six, we're just making it up every day as we go along. And I've got this group of Cormaga that I'm going to need to get behind me when I try to reject the results of the November elections, right? And so I'm going to keep telling them, don't listen to anybody. It's all fake unless you hear it from me. Because I'm going to need at least a tiny group of people who are going to back me up when I stand up as President of the United States and say that the elections in November were rigged or whatever, and that they weren't, and he's not going to recognize them or something like that. And that Cormaga is shrinking, but he needs whoever's in there. Because there are fools in this country who will only get their news from Donald Trump. Thankfully, it's a shrinking group, but he needs somebody to hit the streets with anger when he says something ridiculous, like when they get wiped out in November that it was rigged. Okay, rant over. Let's say hello to Alex Williams. Alex says there's a crash cleanup. I didn't know she played baseball.

Speaker 5:
[50:39] She was good. She was on the mat.

Speaker 1:
[50:42] Does anybody follow these things as they go along? I mean, just honestly. So the guy who a few weeks ago was saying, this war will be over in four to six weeks, today is saying, I have all the time in the world. That's not eight months apart. That's actually four to six weeks apart. And I understand what's going on there, because we're in a different game of chicken now with this. The chicken game has changed. In the beginning, the chicken game was, are they going to use up all their missiles before we use up all of our interceptors? And I think a large part of the reason why the ceasefire is happening is because both sides kind of want to... Maybe Iran sees that they don't have months and months of missiles left, and maybe we see that we don't have months and months of interceptors left. So now, with the blockade, because remember at the very beginning of this, counterintuitively, we lifted the sanctions on Iran's oil, because any little bit more oil on the world market keeps the overall price down. So now we've removed that, and there's a blockade. So the game of chicken has now changed. So, how long can Iran, can Iran hold out long enough for the entire world to dip into recession as a result of no oil coming through? Or can the Americans hold on, will Iran fold before then, because they don't have any money from selling oil, and they're not able to do it. So it's like, it's still a game of chicken, but it changed to a different board, a different kind. And I think that's why he's putting out, you know, I've got all the time in the world. He just, I don't want to rush myself. I don't want to rush myself. So I think it's, it's, it's, you know, make it up as you go along. The blockade strategy has been the better one that's happened. We, it was, you know, ad hoc, and okay, what can we do next? But it's a bit more effective. And because if you notice, I mean, I think that the ceasefire really is kind of, because they're not hitting, you know, all states are, so it's, I think both sides right now are like, we'd like to hold on to the interceptors we have and Iran's like, we'd like to hold on to the missiles that we have right now. So now different game of chicken. Who can last longer before they give in? And so in that way, I guess it makes sense rhetorically to say I've got all the time in the world, but here's the deal. They don't believe you. They don't believe you. Nobody believes anything you say anymore on the world stage. No one does. For some reason, people on Wall Street do. And it goes up and down based on every moment that he says something. He can say something at noon that tanks the market and says something at 2.30 that gets it back on a rally. The only people hanging on this guy's words as far as... Is the word versimilitude? Am I wrong? Versimilitude.

Speaker 5:
[53:40] Good word. I don't know what it means, but yes.

Speaker 1:
[53:43] I believe it's truthfulness. Is it not? Verily? Look it up, George, very fast, before I have to go. Versimilitude. It's either that or it's about rodents.

Speaker 7:
[53:57] The appearance or semblance of truth, realism or believability in a work of art, literature, film.

Speaker 1:
[54:03] That was very, very close, except I couldn't pronounce the damn thing.

Speaker 2:
[54:06] It's a hard one.

Speaker 1:
[54:07] I'm the dumbest, smart guy in the room. Alex Williams says there's a or the smartest dumb guy. I like to look at it that way. Alex Williams says there's a stalled truck. All right, well, apparently, as you have heard from the newsroom, we have Asian needle lamps in Georgia. Is this new? Is this a bad thing?

Speaker 6:
[54:28] They've been here before.

Speaker 1:
[54:29] Invasive species.

Speaker 6:
[54:30] It's not good.

Speaker 1:
[54:32] The stink can be life threatening. I know. What are you going to do about this, Rick Jackson?

Speaker 5:
[54:37] First thing I'm going to do as your governor, Rick Jackson, is go after Bert Jones for allowing these Asian needle lamps in. They kill?

Speaker 1:
[54:50] It says could be...

Speaker 6:
[54:51] They have a venomous sting.

Speaker 1:
[54:53] The ant's sting can be life threatening.

Speaker 5:
[54:56] Well, so can a wasp's sting.

Speaker 1:
[54:58] Well, particularly for people who have allergies to bees or other ants.

Speaker 6:
[55:01] I like them because they're Asian needle ants.

Speaker 2:
[55:03] That's right.

Speaker 6:
[55:04] I don't like needles.

Speaker 2:
[55:05] I don't trust them.

Speaker 6:
[55:07] That Rick Jackson said he's going to stop them.

Speaker 5:
[55:09] All them kids smoking the Asian needle lamps is because of Bert Jones.

Speaker 1:
[55:15] Clink, clink. Hey, you want to... That's what I like to hear. He's going to stand up. He's going to stand up to those Asian needle ants.

Speaker 4:
[55:23] Darn right.

Speaker 6:
[55:24] I'm past the meatloaf.

Speaker 1:
[55:26] They vape too. They use the needle lamps to get the vape.

Speaker 5:
[55:29] That's how they get in here.

Speaker 2:
[55:31] That's right. That's how they smuggle them in.

Speaker 1:
[55:34] And so I guess you got to be careful now. I mean, how do you know that... I mean, if an ant... How do you avoid ants? Now you could be hygienic and keep things...

Speaker 5:
[55:43] You never leave your home.

Speaker 1:
[55:44] But I mean, if you're just walking somewhere...

Speaker 5:
[55:47] Don't walk around barefoot in your yard. You have fire ants anyway.

Speaker 2:
[55:50] That's how you would get bit by an ant. Like you're sitting in the grass or you're... You know, maybe you're gardening.

Speaker 1:
[55:57] These things are three-sixteenths of an inch.

Speaker 2:
[56:01] I don't know what that means.

Speaker 1:
[56:02] They're tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny.

Speaker 2:
[56:04] So they bite you and then what happens? You get a welt?

Speaker 1:
[56:06] I guess.

Speaker 6:
[56:07] It's described as liquid fire or a sharp needle prick when they bite you.

Speaker 2:
[56:11] Okay, ow! So do ants bite?

Speaker 1:
[56:13] I know, but...

Speaker 2:
[56:13] Wasp stings?

Speaker 1:
[56:14] Did you miss the fact that they can be life-threatening?

Speaker 5:
[56:17] They've been here since the 30s.

Speaker 1:
[56:19] What?

Speaker 5:
[56:20] It says here, the Asian needle ant established in Georgia since the 1930s.

Speaker 1:
[56:25] Alright, what do you have to say to that, Mr. ATL cheerleader? Are you saying they went away and they came back?

Speaker 6:
[56:30] They're more prominent now.

Speaker 2:
[56:31] Jared hopes that he gets stung or bitten by one of them.

Speaker 3:
[56:35] Why would I want that?

Speaker 2:
[56:36] Because they represent A-T-A.

Speaker 6:
[56:39] No, I don't want these ants. Are you kidding me?

Speaker 1:
[56:41] I don't want these ants.

Speaker 6:
[56:42] These ants need to go home. These ants need to go home.

Speaker 2:
[56:44] Yeah, these ants need to get out of my car.

Speaker 1:
[56:46] Somebody find Kristy Noem. We gotta get rid of these needle ants. At least they aren't the button ants. That would have really gotten Tim Andrews. Can you imagine? Ants that look like buttons that gather together and then I don't know what I do. Swarm all over you.

Speaker 5:
[57:05] Freak out.

Speaker 1:
[57:06] I just don't know what you do. I would just assume it was a red ant and I would just go on with my life. But what if I think that and then all of a sudden you got some sort of venom in me that's going to kill me?

Speaker 2:
[57:18] No, but how does it kill you?

Speaker 1:
[57:20] Listen, I'm just telling you what it says.

Speaker 5:
[57:22] It says cause anaphylaxis.

Speaker 6:
[57:23] Yeah, it says that if you're allergic to them that the... Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[57:26] Okay, well how do you know if you're allergic to... How the hell do you know if you're allergic to a needle ant if you haven't been bitten by one?

Speaker 6:
[57:31] Okay, take a needle ant at the hospital and let it bite you and then see what happens.

Speaker 2:
[57:35] Oh, yes, in a controlled environment.

Speaker 1:
[57:37] In a controlled environment. Out of an abundance of caution.

Speaker 2:
[57:41] Just to check.

Speaker 1:
[57:42] Listen, get tested. That's what I said.

Speaker 2:
[57:45] You know what? If you have a twin, then go ahead and let the ant bite them, and then you'll know if you're allergic or not, and then you don't have to do it.

Speaker 1:
[57:52] Let me just amend that a little bit. If you have a twin that you hate, you don't like.

Speaker 2:
[57:56] I mean, maybe, how about this? How about if you have a twin that cares about you a whole lot?

Speaker 1:
[58:00] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[58:00] So that it cares if you're going to get poisoned to death.

Speaker 1:
[58:04] And so they're willing to put their life on the line.

Speaker 2:
[58:06] Exactly.

Speaker 1:
[58:07] For you.

Speaker 2:
[58:08] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[58:08] It's bad enough. Where is Yakima?

Speaker 5:
[58:15] Washington?

Speaker 1:
[58:15] Is it Washington State?

Speaker 5:
[58:17] Yakima, Washington.

Speaker 1:
[58:19] World puddle jumping championships at risk. Because the heat wave is drying up the competition. The world puddle jumping. This is not the regular season.

Speaker 2:
[58:31] Peppa Pig is just turning up.

Speaker 1:
[58:32] This is the championships.

Speaker 2:
[58:33] Ma-dey-pa-do-sh. Ma-dey-pa-do-sh.

Speaker 1:
[58:36] All right. You shouldn't be watching Peppa Pig. Your kids are like 9 and 13.

Speaker 5:
[58:41] I watched it before Gil was born.

Speaker 1:
[58:43] Oh, is it the same now? They're just running the same stuff? Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[58:47] I just know it. Wow.

Speaker 6:
[58:49] No rain.

Speaker 1:
[58:50] No rain ever? For the entire country for the rest of the year? Is that what I heard?

Speaker 6:
[58:54] They're getting Saturday.

Speaker 1:
[58:55] Christina Edwards, is that what I heard? No rain ever again? As long as we live? That's what you heard.

Speaker 2:
[58:58] We're never getting rain again. I'm Christina Edwards.

Speaker 5:
[59:02] Now, why did you bring up Yakima? This says this is in England.

Speaker 1:
[59:05] I saw the word Yakima. That's why. I don't know.

Speaker 6:
[59:08] Wixtee Park in the UK.

Speaker 1:
[59:11] I saw it as being in Yakima, but maybe...

Speaker 6:
[59:13] Maybe that's the American Championships. This is the world.

Speaker 1:
[59:15] Okay. All right. Maybe...

Speaker 6:
[59:16] World Puddle Jumping Championships.

Speaker 2:
[59:18] You know, Eric, not everything is about the United States, okay?

Speaker 1:
[59:21] Okay. I know.

Speaker 2:
[59:22] Sometimes people are...

Speaker 1:
[59:22] You hit me on the xenophobia. Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 2:
[59:25] Sometimes things happen in other places.

Speaker 1:
[59:27] I can explain this. It is happening in England. It was this particular online report is from nonstop local Tri-Cities, Yakima. So I assumed it was a local story. I was wrong. This has nothing to do with the first, second or third of the Tri-Cities.

Speaker 6:
[59:48] Well, they care a lot about the World Puddle Jumping Championship there in the Tri-Cities.

Speaker 1:
[59:52] Boy, nobody's ever heard of the other two, huh? If Yakima's one of them.

Speaker 6:
[59:56] What are the other two?

Speaker 1:
[59:57] I have no idea.

Speaker 6:
[59:58] Well, Seattle?

Speaker 1:
[60:00] I think Seattle would, no. Seattle's their own, they're not part of a Tri-Cities thing, are they? I've never heard of them as part of the Tri-Cities.

Speaker 5:
[60:08] Uh, God.

Speaker 1:
[60:10] They're the Twin Cities in Minnesota.

Speaker 2:
[60:12] Tri-Hards.

Speaker 5:
[60:13] Kennewick, Pasco and Richland.

Speaker 1:
[60:15] There you go. And so Yakima, they're just, what? What about Yakima?

Speaker 5:
[60:20] No, Yakima is not part of the Tri-Cities.

Speaker 1:
[60:23] Yakima? Yakima?

Speaker 5:
[60:25] Yakima. Yakima?

Speaker 2:
[60:26] I had a friend named Hakima.

Speaker 1:
[60:28] You what?

Speaker 2:
[60:28] I had a friend named Hakima.

Speaker 1:
[60:30] Oh good, how's he doing? Does it work out for him?

Speaker 2:
[60:32] She's doing well.

Speaker 1:
[60:33] She doing? They?

Speaker 2:
[60:35] You know what? I don't know.

Speaker 5:
[60:37] The three cities are situated at the confluence of the Columbia snake and Yakima river.

Speaker 1:
[60:41] Hold on, stop for one second. One second. Autumn had a very special message for Hakima.

Speaker 5:
[60:46] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[60:46] Hakima, I see you girl.

Speaker 5:
[60:48] Oh, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2:
[60:49] Where are you?

Speaker 1:
[60:50] And hear you.

Speaker 2:
[60:51] I see you and hear you.

Speaker 1:
[60:52] You are heard on The Von Haessler Doctrine.

Speaker 2:
[60:54] I'm going to send you an email with a link.

Speaker 1:
[60:56] Is this somebody?

Speaker 2:
[60:56] If you click it, it's a phishing experiment.

Speaker 5:
[61:00] Send it to my corporate email, please.

Speaker 2:
[61:02] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[61:04] Boy, we're just having a big old laugh. We're not over there in England. Can you imagine these people? They've been waiting all year for the World Puddle.

Speaker 2:
[61:11] Training their whole lives.

Speaker 1:
[61:12] Wherever the World Puddle Championships, jumping championships are, that's the biggest thing that happens in that town every year.

Speaker 2:
[61:19] That's what Paul Skittles is up to now.

Speaker 1:
[61:20] Oh, Paul Skittles, English next.

Speaker 5:
[61:22] Jump in the puddles, jump in the dry dust.

Speaker 1:
[61:25] You're not supposed to jump in the puddles, I don't think.

Speaker 5:
[61:28] Yes, you are. That's what it is.

Speaker 2:
[61:30] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[61:30] It says World Puddle jumping. You're jumping over a puddle.

Speaker 2:
[61:33] You jump in the puddle, not over.

Speaker 1:
[61:35] Well, that doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 5:
[61:36] I just saw an image of dirty kids jumping in the puddle.

Speaker 1:
[61:39] So did I. I thought they were failures.

Speaker 5:
[61:42] They wouldn't put the losers in the paper.

Speaker 1:
[61:45] I don't know how they do things in Yakima. Yakima?

Speaker 5:
[61:48] It's not in Yakima.

Speaker 1:
[61:49] I know it's not in Yakima, but the people who put the pictures in the story are in Yakima.

Speaker 6:
[61:54] Or what are the other Tri-Cities?

Speaker 5:
[61:56] It's not part of the Tri-Cities.

Speaker 1:
[61:58] Hey, how are you? Hey, how are you?

Speaker 2:
[62:03] I don't think we should be doing foreign news like this.

Speaker 1:
[62:06] Neither do I, because the only thing that matters in my world is the United States of America.

Speaker 2:
[62:11] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[62:12] Everything good happens here. Everything bad happens over outside of here.

Speaker 6:
[62:17] Apparently, if...

Speaker 1:
[62:18] And that's it, I'm done. If... Don't ask me to read a book.

Speaker 6:
[62:22] If the puddles end up drying up too much for this weekend, it says, participants are now encouraged to submit video entries of their jumps by the end of the week to be judged on...

Speaker 1:
[62:31] Are they thick over there? You dig holes, you get a hose, and you create puddles.

Speaker 5:
[62:37] You can't wash water with that.

Speaker 2:
[62:39] That's right, earn a drink.

Speaker 1:
[62:40] I'll truck it in from London.

Speaker 5:
[62:42] What about seawater?

Speaker 1:
[62:44] Alex Williams is checking the slow... Yeah, I'll take the Peking Duck and Rick Jackson for Governor.

Speaker 5:
[62:56] You want to sit around eating Cheetos?

Speaker 6:
[63:00] Actually, Rick, that sounds like a pretty good idea.

Speaker 1:
[63:02] I wouldn't mind sitting around eating Cheetos.

Speaker 2:
[63:04] You're the problem.

Speaker 5:
[63:06] That's right. We're going to get rid of the Asian Needle Ant.

Speaker 1:
[63:10] Da da da da da da da da da. Bwong. Yeah, they're tiny ants, but the vapes that they bring are even tiny.

Speaker 5:
[63:20] It takes a thousand of them to carry one.

Speaker 6:
[63:23] They smuggle them.

Speaker 5:
[63:24] China's brutal.

Speaker 1:
[63:25] Da da da da da da da da da. It's forced labor. I don't even know if we can take it out on the ants.

Speaker 5:
[63:30] Nah, they're commie ants. They get what they deserve. They come here and have baby ants.

Speaker 1:
[63:34] By the way, earlier, for some reason, I always think that the Vietnam War ended in 74. It didn't actually end until 75, April of 1975, which makes my point that I was making earlier even more. So the Vietnam War officially, when you see people hanging off the helicopters of Saigon, the real pullout, that's April of 1975, makes my point even more. The next summer, we were all celebrating the bicentennial, moving on with our lives, and now, Vietnam is the tourist destination. Let's just get out of Iran. Everything is going to be, listen, it's not going to be, it will be humiliating at first, whatever, but it's America. We can rejuvenate, we can move on, and the world doesn't go into an energy crisis. Isn't that a good thing? What's more important, that we save face, or that the world does not experience a global energy crisis? I'd say, we get helped if the world doesn't experience a global energy crisis. And again, Vietnam, humiliating getting out. One year later, hey, 200 years old, yay! Everybody moved on. Afghanistan was a disaster.

Speaker 5:
[64:46] King Charles will talk him out of it.

Speaker 1:
[64:48] You think so?

Speaker 5:
[64:49] Flatter him. I'll build some crappy gold stuff you could put up on the wall.

Speaker 1:
[64:53] He has to come. I didn't realize this, that Queen Elizabeth came. I'm sure if I just don't have the memory of it. Queen Elizabeth came for the Bicentennial. And I guess she and Gerald Ford danced together and friends again. She shook her hips a little bit.

Speaker 2:
[65:10] It was lovely.

Speaker 1:
[65:11] So because of that, King Charles has to come.

Speaker 5:
[65:15] Did she come for the Fourth of July specifically? Or was it before?

Speaker 1:
[65:18] It was part of the festivities. You can look it up in 1976. I believe that she was here for the celebration, or maybe it was the celebrations leading up to. That UFC fight is going to be in June, not July, right?

Speaker 6:
[65:32] Right. It's going to be on Flag Day or Trump's birthday.

Speaker 1:
[65:35] What are they building? Like 4,500 seat?

Speaker 6:
[65:41] I think it was up to 8,000.

Speaker 1:
[65:43] No, and then they have more. Then you can go further back and there can be thousands. Trump said maybe 100,000. It's not somebody who's known to embellish.

Speaker 6:
[65:52] Bigger than the big house.

Speaker 5:
[65:54] She was here from the 7th through the 11th of July that year.

Speaker 1:
[65:57] Okay. So King Charles is coming because of that. I've been reading some stuff that says he's not a huge fan.

Speaker 5:
[66:05] Of the United States?

Speaker 1:
[66:06] Well, no, he likes the United States, maybe the current leadership he's not. But his job as King is to suck it up.

Speaker 6:
[66:13] There might be some encouraging news then. If you said before the Bicentennial, everything was getting better and we were feeling better as a nation, we still have got time. Think about, we've got what, three months until 4th of July? Maybe we'll be touring.

Speaker 1:
[66:26] Are you going to watch that UFC bout?

Speaker 6:
[66:28] Probably.

Speaker 1:
[66:29] I think it's an abomination. I will not be watching that. Hey, let's give stuff away. It's not an abomination, just being kind and giving stuff away. That's what we're going to do. Win two tickets to Santana and the Doobie Brothers on Thursday, July 9th at Amerispank Amphitheatre. Be caller number 10 to 404-872-0750. Tickets are on sale right now at ticketmaster.com. Alex Williams says there's big rig truck. Hour three of The Von Haessler Doctrine begins right now with a hearty congratulations to Jason Stover of Emerson, Emerson, Georgia. Where's Emerson, George?

Speaker 6:
[67:09] Believe it is out east, but I'll double check.

Speaker 1:
[67:12] Well, I'll tell you what, you get out there, say hello to a very happy Jason Stover. Just won two tickets to Santana and the Doobie Brothers on Thursday, July 9th. People might visit them just for that.

Speaker 5:
[67:23] Just let them know. Emerson's in by Alatuna.

Speaker 1:
[67:27] Oh, okay.

Speaker 6:
[67:29] So I said, I think I didn't know.

Speaker 1:
[67:31] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[67:31] Okay. Well, it was just fun.

Speaker 1:
[67:34] What was your guess going to be?

Speaker 5:
[67:35] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[67:36] I guess you didn't make a guess. So you didn't put your hand on the line, did you?

Speaker 5:
[67:41] I'd rather say I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[67:45] That could be a lesson there. Sometimes it's okay just to say, I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[67:48] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[67:49] Can't know everything.

Speaker 2:
[67:50] You can't.

Speaker 1:
[67:51] You cannot.

Speaker 5:
[67:51] I'm not mocking you. I just thought it was funny.

Speaker 1:
[67:53] No, it's funnier if you mock him. There was some mockery. The crowd is looking for some mockery.

Speaker 7:
[67:59] I thought it was a LaGuardia.

Speaker 1:
[68:04] Now, you're mocking everybody. I think that you're meta-mocking is what you're doing. And I want it to stop. That's all I have to say. Okay. So he won two tickets to Santana and the Doobie Brothers on Thursday, July 9th at Amerisbank Amphitheater. Tickets are on sale right now at ticketmaster.com. And Jared Yamamoto told me that I should... What is it you said? Should my transition be from the winner to...

Speaker 6:
[68:25] Oh, listen. This is how good of a coach I am right now. I was like, you could say, not only did we get Jason as our winner here, but now is your chance to get $1,000.

Speaker 1:
[68:36] That's another winner. It's Wsb's A Grand for Gas Giveaway. This hour's keyword is trip. T-R-I-P. Like, man, this is a long trip, man.

Speaker 2:
[68:50] What a long, strange trip it's been.

Speaker 6:
[68:52] Tim's taking a trip to Emerson.

Speaker 5:
[68:54] That's right.

Speaker 6:
[68:54] Out East.

Speaker 2:
[68:55] Out East.

Speaker 1:
[68:58] Say hello to Jason. Go to the WsbRadio app or wsbradio.com/gas for your chance to win $1,000. Not that kind of gas.

Speaker 2:
[69:09] Excuse me.

Speaker 1:
[69:10] Again, that keyword is T-R-I-P. Trip. Amen.

Speaker 5:
[69:17] That's trip.

Speaker 1:
[69:18] This guy, hey, just accept it, man. You can't fight it. You fight it, you're going to get paranoid, man. You don't want to do that.

Speaker 5:
[69:24] I was tripping in Loganville and I wound up in Emerson. That's what I thought.

Speaker 1:
[69:29] Well, if you had teleported to a Waffle House, you could have an administration job right there.

Speaker 5:
[69:34] All right, drop it.

Speaker 1:
[69:36] How is it that that is not a bigger story? It was like, hey, here's a funny little story. A member of FEMA, the guy running FEMA was telling people that he teleported to a Waffle House that was 50 miles away.

Speaker 5:
[69:48] He's been sick. Leave me alone.

Speaker 1:
[69:50] OK. OK. Speaking of sick, fake Falcons, James Pierce Jr., edge rusher, who was amazing until then he got mad at his ex-girlfriend, Keeya Jackson, right from the WNBA. And he took his Lamborghini and she was trying to drive to the police station and he kept ramming it and he rammed it head on. And then when the cops got involved, he ran away from the cops. And now, I guess Falcons James Pierce offered intervention program to avoid trial.

Speaker 6:
[70:25] Six months. He has to prove good behavior. So this is great news for the Falcons. Hopefully he learns.

Speaker 1:
[70:31] I hope most support that he learns. Before everybody says anything, the judge basically, first of all, in order for, this is Florida, and in order for all this to happen, his ex-girlfriend, the cops, and everybody has to agree, be in agreeance on this. Now, from the judge's point of view, they are saying that according to the state of Florida, they believe this was a mental health issue. And so the first step is, we're going to try to get you help. If he messes up, he's got to do drug tests, got to do whatever.

Speaker 2:
[71:05] Yeah, mental health isn't drugs?

Speaker 1:
[71:07] I don't know exactly. I don't know how deep. But obviously, there probably were some drugs involved. But he obviously got very paranoid and ridiculous and you know, with all this. Now, here's the question to me. When I hear that, I think, you know, okay, if everybody involved, including the ex-girlfriend, he's not allowed to go anywhere near her, says, yeah, I think he was suffering from a mental health issue. Okay, I can see that. But here's the question that I have, and we're not talking about the state of Georgia here, talking about the state of Florida. Would I get the same deal? Right? That's the only question that I have. I don't have a problem starting out with, if you identify that there was a mental health issue. Part of that mental health issue is this guy's got anger issues.

Speaker 2:
[71:48] You got to save this question for George Stein tomorrow.

Speaker 1:
[71:52] I will ask him, would I get that same deal?

Speaker 2:
[71:55] Why don't you try it and see if you do?

Speaker 1:
[71:58] You want to role play? Can you come down here and I'll just, yeah, we'll do it and we'll see how it goes. But in the end, you have to agree to this deal. You can't leave me hanging out there.

Speaker 6:
[72:11] When the Falcons have open tryouts.

Speaker 1:
[72:12] And you as a football fan, no, Jared as a football fan, all he cares about is, this guy's great on the field, we can get him back. Because it was looking like he's going to jail.

Speaker 6:
[72:25] I thought that we would never see him play again.

Speaker 1:
[72:27] During the six months, can he play? Because how many months till the season starts?

Speaker 6:
[72:33] Let's see.

Speaker 1:
[72:35] Get your fingers out.

Speaker 2:
[72:37] He probably shouldn't play.

Speaker 1:
[72:38] Five, well.

Speaker 2:
[72:39] In my opinion.

Speaker 5:
[72:40] Well, he should be suspended for that, no?

Speaker 1:
[72:42] Will the NFL step in and suspend him? But all the Falcons, all we care about is going to the Super Bowl. If we can get him back by the playoffs.

Speaker 5:
[72:53] Well, that's why I want Vrabel suspended for his horrible behavior.

Speaker 1:
[72:56] That was a little joke there. I was assuming we're going to be in the playoffs.

Speaker 5:
[73:00] How dare you? I think we have a good chance. I think he's good.

Speaker 1:
[73:04] I do as well. I do as well. I think the Falcons, actually, I like the coaching hire and I think there's a good chance. You know what? I think that I would say 70 percent chance going to the season. I believe the Falcons will be in the playoffs.

Speaker 6:
[73:16] I mean, the Carolina Panthers won the division this past year. Anybody can win it if the Panthers won.

Speaker 1:
[73:20] Carolina is getting better. You know, teams are bad.

Speaker 6:
[73:23] Raheem Morris was holding us back.

Speaker 1:
[73:26] Teams stink, and then they get better. Except for the Jets and the Browns.

Speaker 5:
[73:30] How about Tampa Bay? Weren't they sort of good?

Speaker 1:
[73:34] They had a bad season last year.

Speaker 6:
[73:35] They did not make the playoffs.

Speaker 1:
[73:36] They didn't make the playoffs.

Speaker 2:
[73:37] They didn't make the playoffs.

Speaker 1:
[73:39] At least this is what Autumn told me.

Speaker 2:
[73:41] I'm still in on that.

Speaker 1:
[73:42] Autumn's just laughing.

Speaker 2:
[73:44] They did not make the playoffs.

Speaker 6:
[73:45] Autumn kept saying too much pressure on Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 2:
[73:48] So Baker had so much pressure on him. It was just he couldn't handle it.

Speaker 1:
[73:52] I want to talk about this notion that's going around in DC. Apparently meetings are being had that the taxpayers, because we have so much money, are maybe on the hook to bail out Spirit Airlines, $500 million.

Speaker 2:
[74:12] Great, great, great, great.

Speaker 1:
[74:12] Now, this is a weird kind of thing. So Frontier tried to merge with Spirit back in 22. And a lot of people think the government stopped that. They didn't. It was the Spirit Airlines shareholders who preferred the deal from JetBlue. And so Frontier went away. And they said, we don't want the Frontier one. We want JetBlue. And then JetBlue came in. And I believe, then that... And then a federal judge said, no, JetBlue cannot merge because of the antitrust. So now we go from, it's not good for the American people for these two airlines to get together, but it is good for the American people that we have to bail out Spirit Airlines at $500 million. And on top of that, there's a Trumpian edge to it where the government will then, once the deal is paid back or something, the government will own 90% of Spirit Airlines. Great, now we're going to have a flying Amtrak. This country just gets better and better and better. Government air. I mean, hasn't Amtrak just gotten better and better and better since the government took it over? Well, it was in pretty bad shape when it stepped in. But I mean, does everybody in DC just wake up every day and just make it up as they go along? JetBlue wanted to merge with this Spirit Airlines, and that was a danger to the American people. What's good for the American people is we take $500 million that we don't have, we'll just add it to the $40 trillion debt that we already have. It's going to be good for you because you're going to become shareholders every taxpayer.

Speaker 2:
[75:54] If they can get away with it, then yeah. There's nothing stopping anybody from doing anything.

Speaker 1:
[75:59] I just don't know what to get away with. This is just bad management.

Speaker 2:
[76:04] That's the bad management. There's no way to say like, hey, this doesn't seem fair or right or maybe good for the country or for other businesses.

Speaker 1:
[76:14] Voters can make the... How? Well, they have to vote.

Speaker 2:
[76:18] But when?

Speaker 5:
[76:19] November usually.

Speaker 2:
[76:21] Right, but this is happening now.

Speaker 1:
[76:22] I know, but these things take time. If you vote and you go, I just want the other party whether I believe in them or not, just to gum up the works for a couple of years.

Speaker 2:
[76:32] Right, and see, that's not right either.

Speaker 1:
[76:33] Well, you got to do what you got to do.

Speaker 2:
[76:35] That's what I'm saying. We're in this perpetual state of like, I'm just voting against something instead of voting for something.

Speaker 5:
[76:41] And let the airline collapse if they're terrible and mismanaged.

Speaker 1:
[76:45] Yes, I agree.

Speaker 2:
[76:45] Yes, hello.

Speaker 5:
[76:46] Somebody will buy the parts.

Speaker 2:
[76:47] They would let me collapse. They let the American citizens collapse constantly.

Speaker 6:
[76:51] Guys, it's 14,000 jobs though.

Speaker 1:
[76:54] Well, there's that. They're saving 14,000 jobs. But those jobs are going to go away anyway if it's not, you know, are we going to give a second 500 million if the first 500 million doesn't work?

Speaker 6:
[77:04] Maybe we merge Amtrak and Spirit together.

Speaker 1:
[77:07] And just fly the train.

Speaker 2:
[77:09] Put the planes on the train tracks.

Speaker 1:
[77:11] There we go. Wow.

Speaker 5:
[77:13] Solutions.

Speaker 1:
[77:14] Hey, listen, I don't like flying, so that'd be good for me. You never leave the ground. I don't want the plane to stop as many times as the train does. I haven't taken the train in 100 years, but.

Speaker 2:
[77:24] It depends on what train.

Speaker 1:
[77:25] Yeah, if you're on a special one. They were never as bad as Greyhound buses or Trailways. Oh my goodness. I took a Trailways bus. I thought, oh, I'm just going here, whatever. I didn't realize you stopped in every small town between here and there. It took forever to go like 150 miles.

Speaker 6:
[77:44] I was curious. The Southern Crescent that goes from Atlanta to New Orleans takes 12 hours on Amtrak to get to New Orleans. That's crazy.

Speaker 1:
[77:52] That's a lot of stops. Get a sleeper car, unless you're claustrophobic, then don't. Alex Williams says it's a crowded ride. Once again, this hour's keyword in the Wsb A Grand for Gas Giveaway, the keyword is T-R-I-P Trip. Go to the Wsb Radio app or wsbradio.com/gas for your chance to win $1,000. I agree with you, Jared, what you were saying. It's be more interesting to watch The Hawks tonight than watch the NFL Draft. This being especially considered a weak draft, who knows, maybe a superstar will emerge, but we get ourselves so excited. I think it's because the NFL does a great job of hyping us up to, because there's no games. So we get all excited about the draft, especially the first night of the draft. So half, a little more than half of the players that are drafted tonight or anytime, average drafted, are no longer in the league four years later. Now of those that are still in the league, the 50 some odd percent, that are still in the league four years later, 80% of those players are on another team four years later. And every year we all get so excited. Every year with the Falcons, and for me the Falcons and the Bills are like, oh yeah, we got this guy and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But the reality is that half of them are not there at all in the league four years later. And of those that are still in the league, 80% of them are on a second team.

Speaker 6:
[79:35] That's true. That is very true.

Speaker 1:
[79:37] But we get, because it's been so many, it's been so long in our minds, it's been February since we had football, that anything surrounding it, we want. And I wonder if the NFL can blow this. Because I think there's a lot of pushback from having that game in Australia. That's going to be the first week, I think. It's weird. They're going to open up on a Wednesday, I think, this year. There's going to be a Wednesday game, a Thursday game, nothing on Friday. And then, or no, a Wednesday game, a Friday game, and then a Saturday. Look at the opening week. But in the opening week, I believe one, two teams have to go to Australia. And the truth is that with all of these games overseas, the NFL is not getting more popular overseas. It's not really working. I mean, they fill up the stadiums, it's an event. I don't even know how many of those people pay. That's what I would like to see. We have anybody.

Speaker 5:
[80:32] Oh, I bet you they're papered.

Speaker 1:
[80:34] There's got to be a lot of papering that goes on. Because people just show up and they're like random NFL fans. No matter who's playing on the field, everyone in the stands is just wearing their favorite jersey of their favorite team.

Speaker 5:
[80:46] I saw a guy wearing Oilers jerseys.

Speaker 6:
[80:48] That's pretty cool, actually.

Speaker 7:
[80:50] So Wednesday you've got Seattle's hosting a yet to be determined team. And then on Thursday, they're playing the Ramsard and the 49ers are playing in Melbourne.

Speaker 1:
[80:58] Okay. Now, but then it's a weird thing. Do they play on Friday and Saturday? I think they skip Friday or something and then they play on Saturday. I'm not exactly sure how it is. I believe there's three games before the Sunday games in the opening week. Why do they just play all the games every day?

Speaker 7:
[81:19] I don't think it's finalized yet.

Speaker 1:
[81:20] Oh, where they're going to play or how they're going to do it? Well, that's... At least both teams know they have to go all the way to Australia. I just wonder if it's because it's annoying to people. You know, if you buy Sunday ticket, you don't have the games that you did five, six, seven, eight years ago. Alex Williams says 20 West is slowly... Well, it only takes... I'm glad that... I'm not bragging about this, but I think that I do this way more than most people do. And I'm not talking about what you think. Just thinking of the next question, just seeing something and going, I wonder... And if you're always... And smelling a rat, and then go, is there a rat back there? So up on the monitor, two days in a row, I've noticed during Jake Tapper's show, and it's going on right now, it's a segment, AI in healthcare. And I'm aware of the fact... You know, Sam Altman, OpenAI, there's a big podcast. It's like the biggest Silicon Valley podcast. It's not a huge podcast outside of Silicon Valley, but with startup people and everything, it's the biggest podcast. And Sam Altman and OpenAI just bought it for way more than what it was worth. And Sam Altman says, oh, we're still going to cover all the other AI, but there's a big push now. The AI people recognize that there's pushback, especially with the data centers, people noticing that everything is crap that comes out of AI pretty much. So I just went to, I went to AI. One thing about AI is it will tell on itself. Is CNN's AI and Health Care series sponsored by any company? This was yesterday. I'm aware, local news stations have been doing this at least since the 80s. Where it's a lot of times in health care, a lot of times with local news, especially, it doesn't even have to be especially smaller markets. With local news, you'll see a health care story, and actually, the whole story was put together by Big Pharma. Like the whole thing was put together, and it's just a package that's sent to them. This is a little bit different, is, you know, we give you money, and then Jake Tapper comes, and he interviews somebody, you know, that's... Let the people know all the good that's coming from AI. Enough of this, it's going to end humanity. What about the fact that it's going to cure cancer before it kills everybody, huh? Can we have a fair and balanced... Yes, it might kill everybody, but first it's going to cure cancer.

Speaker 5:
[83:52] That way, they're not killing the weak.

Speaker 1:
[83:54] That's right, so yeah, it says here in 2025, Phillips paid for something and it was filmed at the Phillips Innovation Center, and GE Healthcare paid for something, something called the AI, we'll see you now. It says here, other potential sponsorships, CNN notes that its series often carry sponsorship from the regions or companies, so it can be like a region that has a company, right, and they've got a budget because they want people. They carry sponsorship from the regions or companies being profiled, being profiled, is it news or a commercial? Is it news or is it a commercial?

Speaker 6:
[84:33] Both.

Speaker 1:
[84:34] It can only be one.

Speaker 6:
[84:35] Commercial news.

Speaker 1:
[84:38] From the regions or companies being profiled, though, okay, this makes me feel better. All right, I should have buried the lead. They maintain that editorial control remains with CNN, so I guess everything's all right. They can take the millions of dollars, give glowing profiles.

Speaker 5:
[84:56] There's a name for what that is. Is that called Native Ad?

Speaker 1:
[84:59] No, a Native Ad is when Wsb plays an ad for The Von Haessler Doctrine.

Speaker 5:
[85:04] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[85:04] Native or when CNN plays an ad for one of their shows.

Speaker 5:
[85:07] Sponsored content.

Speaker 1:
[85:09] Sponsored content.

Speaker 5:
[85:10] Advertorial.

Speaker 1:
[85:11] I bet you can get Jake Tapper who will go off on influencers who accept money from him. These people are full of hubris. I see Jake Tapper up there interviewing a guy that his company is paying to be on CNN. I was just like, okay, you're never to be trusted for anything ever again. He sees himself as some kind of objective reporter. But anyway, it's always important that if you smell a rat, ask a question. Not enough people have a follow up question when you see something. You might believe it when you see it or you might just blow it off and not believe it. But a lot of times you say, hey, is this going on? Kind of smells like this is going on. So when you watch CNN and they have any stories about how great AI is, ask yourself, is that sponsored? Go look that up. Because even though I do feel good that CNN maintains that they have editorial control. But also, here's the thing, CNN may have editorial control, but the company that's giving them money has the ability to walk with the money.

Speaker 5:
[86:16] And at least in broadcast news, they have to put a disclaimer on it.

Speaker 1:
[86:20] Do they?

Speaker 5:
[86:21] Yes, they don't have to on CNN.

Speaker 1:
[86:24] Really the local news stations that run, is it like a little Glaxo something down there? A little bug? Transparent bug? Translucent bug down there? Transparent, translucent, what's the difference?

Speaker 5:
[86:36] Transparent, translucent means I guess you can see it still?

Speaker 2:
[86:39] Yeah, it's like you can see through it.

Speaker 1:
[86:41] Okay, transparent, you can't see it at all. I got you. I got you. What did we learn on this show?

Speaker 5:
[86:48] All the time. I learned something else, and I don't want to say it because I want you to get mad.

Speaker 1:
[86:53] Did I say something stupid?

Speaker 5:
[86:55] No, you didn't say something stupid all the time. It wasn't stupid.

Speaker 1:
[86:59] Did I get something wrong? Just tell me. Autumn thinks I'm stupid.

Speaker 5:
[87:03] Well, that's okay. Advertorial or sponsored content is also known as native advertising.

Speaker 1:
[87:08] Well, that's not what I've always heard. Oh, no, I was thinking of a house ad.

Speaker 5:
[87:13] Okay, or a promo.

Speaker 1:
[87:14] No, I wasn't thinking of a promo.

Speaker 2:
[87:16] I was thinking that too.

Speaker 1:
[87:18] No, I'm just saying a house ad.

Speaker 2:
[87:19] I want to be part of this combo.

Speaker 1:
[87:20] Yeah. So why was it called a native ad? That doesn't make sense to me. To me, a native ad would come from within.

Speaker 5:
[87:27] Because we paid for it.

Speaker 1:
[87:28] Okay, so the native part of it is that the ad comes from the sponsor.

Speaker 5:
[87:38] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[87:39] Okay. It's not going to make me mad.

Speaker 5:
[87:42] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[87:43] Listen, unlike a lot of people in America, I can accept the fact that I am a big old dip, you know what?

Speaker 5:
[87:48] Well, I'm never wrong.

Speaker 1:
[87:49] I see.

Speaker 5:
[87:50] Never admit it.

Speaker 1:
[87:51] I'm going the other way. I'm going to start admitting that I'm wrong about things that I'm right about. Just because I think it's not going on enough. Enough people aren't admitting they're wrong. I need to jump in even when I'm right and admit that I'm wrong.

Speaker 6:
[88:01] We do have some good news here, guys. Trump is saying that the ceasefire between Israel and Lebanon has been extended for three weeks.

Speaker 1:
[88:08] Oh, great.

Speaker 5:
[88:09] Does that mean Israel can still bomb stuff?

Speaker 1:
[88:12] Ceasefire. So that means Netanyahu stays out of prison for another three weeks? I guess so. Do people realize this? Nobody even talks about this. Did you know this, Autumn?

Speaker 2:
[88:25] I mean, which part?

Speaker 1:
[88:26] About Netanyahu. When this war is over, he is in real trouble in Israel. And he and his wife are in real trouble for fraud, like accepting gifts, accepting money for something.

Speaker 2:
[88:40] Oh, that's right.

Speaker 1:
[88:41] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[88:42] That was around a little bit, like a while ago.

Speaker 1:
[88:44] Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then the wars, no, because the wars. And so there's this weird thing where you have this, like you do have a leader who, as soon as this is over, is going to have to face the music. Now, I'm not in Israel and I'm not in their, their juris system. But all the coverage is that like he's guilty. And I don't know, do they send them to prison? I don't know. I don't know enough about the case. But I do know as long as the war goes on, it's more and more unlikely that the case is going to go forward. So I'm not, you know, shouldn't that be talked about a little bit? Just a little. You know, if I was the president of a country and I thought, well, as soon as this war is over, I might be going to prison. I might keep the war going for a while. I don't know.

Speaker 6:
[89:30] We have to achieve victory first and then we can talk about it.

Speaker 1:
[89:33] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6:
[89:34] So it's like, I'll tell you what victory looks like.

Speaker 1:
[89:36] Netanyahu will be like, 87, the war is still going on. And I go, hey, listen, I recognize, I need to go to court. I will be at court as soon as this is over.

Speaker 5:
[89:44] I will be there as soon as the war is over.

Speaker 2:
[89:46] Yeah, believe, like, he wants it to end so that he can, you know.

Speaker 1:
[89:49] Face justice because he believes in justice. And remember that he came to the White House, as per the New York Times article, that no one in the administration is saying is going after, that he came in February and said no, and convinced Trump now is the time to ratchet it up and invade Iran. If things would have just cooled down, then maybe he's in court right now. I don't know. I'm speculating. I'm honestly speculating, because I don't live in Israel, and I don't watch local Israel news. But everything that I've read says that the case doesn't look good if you're a BB. It's not looking good. Look, he and his wife are allegedly got money for some kind of... Corruption stuff. Yeah, it's corruption stuff. I think it had something to do with real estate. I don't know. Maybe it was...

Speaker 5:
[90:35] What was it?

Speaker 1:
[90:36] I was just saying maybe Clinton helped out.

Speaker 5:
[90:38] I'll help him out. Just get yourself a portly young intern.

Speaker 1:
[90:42] I could change the entire conversation. And then bomb Saddam Hussein. Alex Williams says there's a crash. To wrap that up with some facts, we got the deets on the Netanyahu trial thing. It says here it restarted this month. I had heard that it got pushed back three more months.

Speaker 7:
[91:00] So it was pushed two months, and then now he's got a two-week... He's requested for two more weeks before he has to do... Him and his defense team have to do some testimony.

Speaker 1:
[91:12] So as of April... So Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's long-running corruption trial is resuming following the delays up so far. This should have been done a couple of years ago, probably, then all the fighting after October 7th.

Speaker 7:
[91:24] He's been dealing with trials for five years.

Speaker 1:
[91:27] Right. So they basically... And this is the point is, I think people should talk about this more, is that Netanyahu is going to have... These cases don't look good against him, and he's going to have to face them when hostilities stop. And you notice as the Gaza thing started to go down, right? Then he shows up in DC and says, hey, we got to go fight Iran. It's going to be easy. It's going to be easy. And I think at least people need to be asking questions since this is the guy that once hostilities cease and the Israeli people are like, okay, we're not doing this war thing on a daily basis. You got to go back to court and face the music. So there's the key aspects of the Netanyahu trial. Accusations of receiving over $200,000 in gifts from billionaires in exchange for favors. Alleges, another case alleges a deal with one publisher for favorable coverage in exchange for him using his power to limit the rival newspaper. So, cozying up with one to get good coverage and using his power to limit the rival one, rival paper. Another case alleges that when he was communications minister, he created regulations benefiting the owner of Walla News, same thing, in exchange for positive coverage. Another case, I guess that's all of them. That's all. That's the three cases.

Speaker 2:
[92:56] And I don't mean to just be like, I hate Trump, but is Trump doing this similar? These sound familiar.

Speaker 1:
[93:03] No, because Trump got elected by the American people while all those cases were going on. And everyone knew that they were going on.

Speaker 2:
[93:11] So, and— Not Netanyahu stuff.

Speaker 1:
[93:13] I'm talking about— No, I'm saying, I'm saying is, when Trump got elected, the American people were privy to all of these trials and everything, and that he was found guilty in this one trial and this one. So, I don't think it's the same thing because it's not— Trump doesn't have to go face anything at the end of his presidency, unless the Democrats come up with something new. This guy actually, at the end of these wars, has to go back into court and face— these are ongoing trials that are still happening, they're being delayed.

Speaker 7:
[93:44] Maybe Autumn's alluding to, like, he kind of empowers Larry Ellison to kind of create this— Oh, you're talking about the new stuff.

Speaker 1:
[93:50] I'm not talking about— No, absolutely.

Speaker 2:
[93:52] These charges sound like what stuff we see him doing now.

Speaker 1:
[93:56] Sure, absolutely. But those would have to be turned into charges later. But no, I agree with what you're saying.

Speaker 2:
[94:02] Thanks, George.

Speaker 1:
[94:06] His legal team has reportedly requested a pardon from the Israeli president, citing the impact of the trials on his ability to govern, particularly in light of the wars. Well, the thing is—and Trump has put pressure on the Israeli president, but the Israeli president hasn't done it, and I don't live in Israel, so I can't know. But I think that's probably because the Israeli president feels like the people of Israel will not be happy with him if he does that. So it's just something that should be talked about, the fact that he talked Trump into going to a war at a time when, if there was no new war, he was going to have to be back in court. I think that's worth talking about. Alex Williams says there's a travel— That is correct, Chiaccio. Hour four of The Von Haessler Doctrine begins right now. And by the way, I was going to bring this up earlier. I'm really getting into this today in history thing. Today in history. Yeah, don't get too excited. It's just a phase. I'll just, I'll grow out of it. But right now, I'm into this today in history, and Atlanta is involved. On this day in 1985, according to my newsletter, if you find out it was yesterday or tomorrow, leave me alone. In 1985, the Coca-Cola Company introduced New Coke, reworking the recipe for the much-loved soft drink, sparked a massive public outcry, and eventually a reversal. And when I was reading about this, so I lived in Rochester, New York, when this all went down. And I remember that this was before a lot of obviously, there have been conspiracy theories, I mean, the Kennedy assassination, but not like now, because you didn't have online for every tiny thing to go global. But my friends and I at the time, because people did push back against it, and they brought back what they called at the time, classic Coke, now that's just Coke. But we kind of thought that the whole thing was a setup. Because we didn't realize how much we liked Coke. Coke was just another drink at that point, and it would have been, I now do not believe they did it on purpose, it cost an awful lot of money, I know more now. But it wouldn't have been a bad idea, because when they changed the recipe for Coke, the real reason there was backlash, obviously sales were going down, they wouldn't have done it to begin with. The real backlash came from, because I think people hadn't thought about how much they liked the product in a long time. It had become Coke, it's like Coke, it's like Kleenex.

Speaker 5:
[96:34] Pepsi was winning.

Speaker 1:
[96:36] Pepsi was winning and they had to do something. And after they came back out with the classic Coke, I believe that those sales went through the roof. And so me and my friends at the time, 85, one of my 21 years old, we were convinced, oh, they did it all on purpose, just to get people interested in Coke again. Now I look at it and think, well, that's a roundabout way to go about that. And they had to lose an awful lot of money, introduce a new, and then for a while, you had this weird like period where they came back with the classic Coke and they'd be right next to Coke and everybody was buying classic Coke and nobody was buying.

Speaker 5:
[97:10] Oh, the new Coke sat on the shelf.

Speaker 1:
[97:12] Yeah, but I don't, did it say new on it?

Speaker 5:
[97:17] Maybe it did at first.

Speaker 1:
[97:18] At first, yeah. I think there was a while though where it was Coke. Yeah, once they brought, and then it was classic Coke.

Speaker 5:
[97:22] When they brought Coca-Cola Classic out and I was working at a convenience store, even in the early 90s, it just said Coke as they were phasing it out. When that happened, I bought a six pack of Coca-Cola and I said, I'm going to hold on to this because in case I don't like the new Coke, of course it didn't last. But you know the conspiracy that that was when they made the switch from cane sugar to high fructose coins.

Speaker 1:
[97:45] Oh, when they brought back the Coke Classic?

Speaker 5:
[97:48] When they put the new Coke out, that was all subterfuge so they can make the switch without people knowing.

Speaker 1:
[97:55] Wow, and it's possible. I don't know, but if you go back to Coke sales were declining, maybe they weren't wrong to think, man, to change the recipe. Having sugar in there is costing us money and nobody gives a damn.

Speaker 6:
[98:09] Switch something up. Tim, if you have this as a collectible here, apparently, new Coke got branded, you're correct, to Coke. But then from 1990 to 1992, Coke 2, I've never heard of that before. I remember that. That is cool. Like, if anybody had a Coke 2.

Speaker 1:
[98:25] Which one was Coke 2?

Speaker 6:
[98:26] Coke 2 was the new Coke. Yeah. That's what they rebranded it as. I don't even remember that. It was only from 1990 to 1992. And I bet if anybody has Coke 2 at a bottle, wow.

Speaker 1:
[98:36] What a terrible name. Like, hey, your favorite soft drink now has a sequel. What does that mean?

Speaker 5:
[98:44] They had bats of it laying around. They had to get rid of it somehow.

Speaker 6:
[98:46] And they're like, we got to just call it something.

Speaker 1:
[98:48] Just call it, uh, um, uh.

Speaker 5:
[98:51] Crappy Coke.

Speaker 1:
[98:52] Or, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[98:53] There you go. See, it's not as easy as you think.

Speaker 1:
[98:55] Yeah. You know what? After Coke 2 does sound pretty good. It's the best of all the bad ideas, I guess, that are possible.

Speaker 7:
[99:03] You can get a can of Coke 2 on eBay for $19.

Speaker 5:
[99:07] I'm sure it's delicious.

Speaker 1:
[99:08] Well, nobody would hold onto it.

Speaker 6:
[99:10] It's collectible, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[99:10] You pass it along in your family, and then 150 years from now, it would be worth at least, I don't know, 50.

Speaker 6:
[99:18] What a cool name, Coke 2.

Speaker 1:
[99:20] Coke 2, what did it look like? Would you have the branding?

Speaker 6:
[99:22] Let me see if I can pull it up here.

Speaker 1:
[99:23] Was it like the letter I twice or was it a two?

Speaker 6:
[99:27] Oh, Roman numeral.

Speaker 1:
[99:29] That's a better way to put it. Was it in Roman numerals?

Speaker 7:
[99:32] It is a Roman numeral.

Speaker 1:
[99:33] Okay.

Speaker 7:
[99:34] Here's a mint condition can, $105 on eBay.

Speaker 1:
[99:38] So the $19 one's got some dents.

Speaker 7:
[99:40] It's a little beat up.

Speaker 1:
[99:41] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[99:42] Did you get it in Cherry Coke when they put it out that same year or the year later?

Speaker 1:
[99:46] No, because I like cherries, but I don't like cherry flavor in other things.

Speaker 2:
[99:50] Oh, I like Cherry Coke.

Speaker 1:
[99:51] You do?

Speaker 2:
[99:53] I love Cherry Coke. Cherry Coke Zero is where it's at.

Speaker 1:
[99:55] I like Dr. Pepper, so I guess I'm more of a prune guy when it comes to sodas than cherries. I love cherries as cherries, especially when they're great.

Speaker 2:
[100:03] I don't like cherry flavored things either, but yeah, that's its own thing, because it's like a maraschino chair. It's different.

Speaker 1:
[100:11] You know what? As you're saying that, I think I'm not as against cherry Coke as like, I cannot stand that the chocolate with the cherry in the middle.

Speaker 5:
[100:21] Chocolate covered cherries?

Speaker 1:
[100:22] Just got like that weird syrup around it. Oh my God. I find that to be disgusting. It's weird. I like chocolate. I like cherries. I don't like chocolate covered cherries.

Speaker 5:
[100:32] Why do they have to cover the cherry with a chocolate? You can eat the chocolate. You can eat the cherries.

Speaker 1:
[100:37] But it makes sense that if somebody likes chocolate and cherries, if an awful lot of other people like chocolate covered cherries, you would like them. Not to say that if I like spinach and vanilla ice cream, I don't mean that everything goes together. But if you like chocolate and you like cherries, in a world where a lot of people like chocolate covered cherries, wouldn't most people assume, hey, that guy's going to like these chocolate covered cherries? I like cheap American chocolate. My wife is from an English family, and so she likes all that fancy chocolate. I don't like fancy chocolate. I like milk chocolate.

Speaker 5:
[101:15] Oh, you like the poor people.

Speaker 2:
[101:18] Jared, milk chocolate is fine.

Speaker 6:
[101:19] No, milk chocolate as I've gotten older, I get a headache.

Speaker 7:
[101:22] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[101:22] You get a headache.

Speaker 2:
[101:24] I love it still.

Speaker 7:
[101:25] Me too. There's quality milk chocolate.

Speaker 5:
[101:27] Yeah, don't get a Hershey's bar.

Speaker 2:
[101:29] I kind of like the Hershey's bar too.

Speaker 1:
[101:31] I've never been a big Hershey's bar person. Kind of boring.

Speaker 2:
[101:35] Eric, come on.

Speaker 1:
[101:35] Kind of boring. You got to put the little rice cookies in there.

Speaker 2:
[101:37] I'm trying to be with you here with the bad chocolate.

Speaker 1:
[101:39] Hey, we're like Tom and Jerry. Sometimes we fight, sometimes we shake hands and make up. That's the whole thing.

Speaker 5:
[101:43] In that season where you talk, not good.

Speaker 1:
[101:46] No. Did they talk?

Speaker 5:
[101:48] Yeah, they were buddies for a season.

Speaker 1:
[101:49] They talked to each other?

Speaker 5:
[101:50] Yeah, they had voices. This was in the early 80s, I think.

Speaker 1:
[101:55] Probably at the same time the new Coke came out. There's a lot of things that have changed.

Speaker 6:
[101:59] Stop changing everything. I'm amazed, Eric, as much as you love YouTube, another big anniversary today, speaking of them, YouTube turns 21 today. YouTube can drink today.

Speaker 1:
[102:09] Oh, hey, look at that. YouTube can drink.

Speaker 5:
[102:11] It seems like they've been drinking quite a while.

Speaker 6:
[102:14] First video was me at the zoo. I don't think I've ever seen that.

Speaker 1:
[102:17] No, no, no, I remember that. That was the Founder, the original Founder before it was bought by Google.

Speaker 5:
[102:22] And then chocolate rain.

Speaker 1:
[102:25] I believe that.

Speaker 6:
[102:26] I remember that one.

Speaker 5:
[102:26] One of the first virals.

Speaker 6:
[102:28] One of the, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[102:30] The cat playing the piano.

Speaker 6:
[102:32] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[102:34] YouTube, I watch YouTube a lot. I don't, I always have to say this. I watch this on, I watch YouTube on TV. There are no comments section. There's, there's no social engagement. I watch it like TV. It's like there's, there's probably like eight channels that, that I like and I follow. But man, every one of them, at some point, every couple of episodes, will complain about YouTube and their algorithms and hey, if you help us out. That never used to happen. Seinfeld didn't complain about NBC in the middle of a, like, some new kind of entertainment, you know?

Speaker 5:
[103:08] Well, these people have built their careers and they were a year ago, two years ago, getting hundreds of thousands of views, now they're getting 50. Why? Because there's an algorithm. When you post a video to YouTube, the first thing it does is it creates a transcript for the AI or whatever that's listening. If there's anything in there that they don't like, you don't get pushed. Even to your subscribers, they don't see you come up.

Speaker 1:
[103:29] Right.

Speaker 5:
[103:30] And that just happened to me.

Speaker 1:
[103:31] You know what? It's kind of a little bit, it's not so different, but it is different, right? So back in the old days, if there was something in a script, let's go back to Seinfeld, if there was something in the script that the censors didn't like, that the people who are in charge of making sure the censors don't get, that they didn't like, that would be removed and they'd have to deal with that long before you ever saw the episode. So in a way, they knew that it was part of the game. The problem, I think, for these YouTube people is they're independent, they're in their bedrooms or their offices, they're doing something, they hit, they strike gold. And they get rug pulled. Right. And then they have nothing to do with it, where back in the old days, you knew that the script was going to go before somebody who was going to do the same thing, except human eyes as opposed to some stupid algorithm that looks at it.

Speaker 5:
[104:19] And a lot of this is the terms that would get you, not deplatformed, but buried or hidden, are turning people into juveniles by saying things like, unaligned, unaligned, and all the, yeah, everybody's.

Speaker 2:
[104:33] And the rules change all the time too. So videos that have been monetized and were fine at the time and were posted are then demonetized because of new rules.

Speaker 1:
[104:43] Yeah, like months later or years later.

Speaker 2:
[104:45] Yeah, and then if you try and, what is it, like go back and say, hey, I want this reviewed again, it'll come back like minutes later saying, we reviewed it, and it's because we've reviewed it.

Speaker 1:
[104:55] We've reviewed it. Yeah, that's a good, now I understand that a little better. So because of that transcript that comes out, you don't want the word suicide in there, so you say, unalived. Okay.

Speaker 6:
[105:07] So it makes me wonder though, okay, cause we're talking about YouTube and then like your example with Seinfeld, right? I wonder like with series that are out now, like there's that one that I keep seeing advertisements for, it's called The Miniature Wife. And it's on YouTube. No, no, no, it's on NBC. So it's traditional TV. But I mean, don't they have, they have to kind of play the algorithms too. So I wonder how they put their marketing out to play to the algorithms.

Speaker 1:
[105:32] But it's easier because they're not doing like a podcast where they're talking and talking and talking. They're just putting commercials out there, right? Yeah. I mean, so they do the same thing as the old thing. They look at the script before they do it and they make sure it's going to fly.

Speaker 2:
[105:44] Yeah. So they have to submit things to the NBC or whatever.

Speaker 1:
[105:50] So when we get back, we have to talk about this thing. I only saw a few seconds of it and it's just the end of people caring about what they do and presenting it as art, and that is the new Stranger Things, which looks like AI slob.

Speaker 5:
[106:05] Money, money, money, money, money.

Speaker 1:
[106:07] Remember the art of animation and how proud people were? Everything is getting worse, it seems. Alex Williams says it's a bumper to bumper. Sorry, you got the trailer from that...

Speaker 6:
[106:24] Oh, for that Stranger Things?

Speaker 1:
[106:25] Yes, I do. I'm telling you, this is... The first season of Stranger Things I thought was absolutely fantastic. I watched it all in one night, and that's the last I've ever seen of it. It was... It had a spirit to it. You could tell that the brothers who wrote it were...

Speaker 6:
[106:43] Yeah, the Duffer Brothers.

Speaker 1:
[106:44] They should have been proud of it. And now you get to this, and it's just like, this is the difference between shows, art and something called content. Content is slap the name on it, put it up there, people will watch it. We don't really care how good it... This looks like AI slop.

Speaker 5:
[107:04] The gate is closed.

Speaker 1:
[107:06] Where did it come from?

Speaker 2:
[107:09] Something from the upside down must have survived last year.

Speaker 1:
[107:12] Is that something from the worst acting ever?

Speaker 3:
[107:15] What the heck is an upside down?

Speaker 2:
[107:17] And what the heck is she? It's got the same sounds that movie trailers have.

Speaker 5:
[107:25] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[107:27] But if you haven't seen it yet, it just...

Speaker 5:
[107:30] Oh, this is horrible.

Speaker 1:
[107:31] It's awful.

Speaker 5:
[107:32] I never saw the video.

Speaker 1:
[107:34] No, it's like those AI ads. It's something like in that. And I want to say to people who are maybe 23 or 24 right now, there was a time in this world, in this country, and it was not that long ago, where human beings would work on things and they'd work really hard on them. And then they would be proud of their work when it was over. You know, Snow White was made in what, 1939 or 37 or something? You know, how many people, human beings, how proud they must have been. You know, and it was delayed. They didn't do, now we, I just want young people to know, there was a world where you didn't just tell a machine to do something and then just accept whatever the hell it gave you and toss it into a stream and call it content. It really is important, you know, being proud of your work or not being proud of it and wanting to get better. How can these Duffer brothers, how can HBO, is it gonna be on HBO?

Speaker 5:
[108:41] It's Netflix.

Speaker 1:
[108:42] Okay, it'll be on Netflix. You know, I'm imagining that bad acting is because they're not paying the actors that would cost a bunch of money.

Speaker 5:
[108:49] Well, they're not doing the voices, so.

Speaker 2:
[108:51] Huh?

Speaker 5:
[108:52] The original actors aren't doing it.

Speaker 1:
[108:53] That's what I'm saying, it's because they don't want to pay them.

Speaker 5:
[108:55] Right.

Speaker 1:
[108:56] This is about, you know those two words.

Speaker 2:
[108:59] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[108:59] Put those two words together, slap it on a streamer, people will watch it, and then who gives a damn? No pride.

Speaker 2:
[109:07] It'll make a certain amount of money.

Speaker 1:
[109:08] Sure, absolutely it will. All right, Alex Williams, we have to go back. I just want young people to know, there was a time human beings worked hard on things, and then they were proud of them. And just tell a machine to do it, and just accept anything it gives them. Alex Williams has better names. All right, this one is, this is a moral situation here. So in Switzerland, they have assisted suicide. And the way they do it, I guess, is they have a panel of experts decide whether or not your suffering is to the point that, you know. But most of us think of that as like, cancer or, you know, some physical suffering. Not that mental suffering is not suffering, but I think most people, when they think of whether or not you could be approved for assisted suicide, would think more of chronic pain and just every day. But there's a lady who is only 56 years old and she's perfectly healthy, a British mother, and she's traveling. This was, okay, this is today, so I guess it hasn't happened yet, but she's traveling today from England to Switzerland to end her life because she cannot get over the grief of losing her only son, who died in a, just a freak, tragic guy, he choked to death. It wasn't anything that anybody could have seen coming.

Speaker 5:
[110:40] On a tomato.

Speaker 1:
[110:42] And so she, she says that she has, she herself has tried to commit suicide before. She, she has, she's got an anti, she's been on antidepressants and gone through all the therapy and she says that she just cannot, she just can't, but, you know, grieving is very difficult. And when you're 56, you might think that you're never going to get over it. And surprisingly at 60, you've put some sort of life together. I don't know. But it seems like a slippery slope. Once you start, I know that mental suffering is real suffering. I'm not trying to act like physical suffering is real suffering and mental suffering isn't, but it is a slippery slope. You know, at what point do family members start maybe bringing it up to you if maybe when you're gone, they profit? Because you know, I mean, these are a lot of different thought experiments you could go down. I'm sure that this lady obviously is miserable, but it's a slippery slope. It's it's I am in favor of assisted suicide, but I guess it's just easier for us to say, well, this person has cancer and they are going to die from cancer. You have ALS. Or ALS. Every day is going to get worse. It's easier to see that physically every day is going to get worse. And I guess that we, we just always hold out hope. And when you're talking about something like grieving, which everybody does in their own way, and she only has one child. So obviously, and she's relatively young, she's, you know, as you get to this age, is when, you know, tragedies start to happen. Friends die of things and all of that. And you deal with grieving. She has her only son who had a tragic freak accident that nobody could have seen coming. He wasn't a drug addict. He wasn't about his lifestyle or anything like that.

Speaker 6:
[112:37] She had gone through a divorce just years before then too.

Speaker 1:
[112:39] Right. But lots of people go through divorces. And so it's a, it's a, it's a tough one. I was having, I was having a conversation with my wife yesterday, which last night, and I brought this up on the podcast that was attached to yesterday's show. And I realized that I don't have a fear of death. What I have a fear of are lots of hospital years, or as I've said before, being the guy that everybody loves, who's in a wheelchair in the corner and really isn't, he's there, but he's not there, you know, those years. Those are the, those, that's what, that's, I'm okay with the fact that I'm here and someday I'm not going to be here. I really kind of, everybody has to kind of deal with that their own way. I've dealt with that. I'm okay with that. But what I don't want, and I have no interest in, is just the clinical years, the years where it's just doctors and hospitals and, you know, and then nursing home, first assisted living, and then-

Speaker 5:
[113:43] Every penny you've ever made getting sucked into that.

Speaker 1:
[113:45] Right, exactly. There's that as well. So I told her that, yeah, like if it got to the, you know, my whole thing is I just want to be direct. If a doctor tells me I've got something, then I send everybody out of the room. All right, it's just me and you. What's the survival rate? Over a year. What's the, you know, and if I hear it's 12% or something, I told my wife, it's like, we're going to go to Oregon. I'm going to, you know, I'm going to figure this out because I don't want, I just don't want those years. I just don't want that. And I wonder, like me realizing that, like, is that really what most of us are afraid of?

Speaker 5:
[114:25] Putting a burden on other people?

Speaker 1:
[114:27] No, just to me, I don't want my life to become hospitals.

Speaker 5:
[114:30] Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[114:31] You know, I don't, I don't want to, I certainly don't want to die in a hospital. That's the worst place. I don't want to die somewhere where the janitor comes in and, you know, just kind of washes things down and changes the bed and then, you know, bring the next person in. And so I have come to realize, yeah, that's what I don't. It's the idea of losing capacity, the idea of, you know, all that. This is not what I'm, I mean, a 56 year old woman who is physically healthy, mental is part of your physical, but you know what I mean, physically healthy doesn't have a disease or anything like that. So I, it's, to me, it's a moral thing as well because I know that I think that people, given the fact, the director, the French director Jean-Luc Godot or Godot or Godot, I don't ever know how to say his name. He did this a couple of years ago. He was 92. And his explanation was, you know what, every day is more uncomfortable than the last. And the prognosis is, it's just gonna, he just said, it's time. I think it's okay when you're 92 or you're 88 or something like that to say, you know what, it's suffering from here forward. And let's have some control over this. And you know, your family can be around you. Her family cannot be around. Like if I could do it in Oregon or something, if I was 92 years old and just said, okay, this is enough pain, let's do something about this, my family would be able to come with me because it's in the same country. This lady is English and it's illegal in England, illegal in UK. So none of her family can go to Switzerland with her to see her off because they could be charged when they came back because they in effect are accomplices to assisting suicide, which is illegal in the UK. Is it a state by state thing here? Is Oregon the only place? Canada has been...

Speaker 5:
[116:31] Well, they got a conveyor belt there.

Speaker 1:
[116:32] Well, right. I don't even know. So there's this line. It's very difficult to say, this is the place where it's okay.

Speaker 5:
[116:41] Young, depressed people are doing it.

Speaker 1:
[116:42] Young, depressed people in Canada. I don't know, did they assist suicide? I had read a story a year ago or so about like a 16-year-old or somebody who was depressed, and Canada was like, okay, it can't be like that. And also we have to worry. The thing about mental is that, listen, if you have cancer and it's really bad cancer, meeting a new friend cannot change that, right? Meeting somebody new, being exposed to new ideas, is not going to change the fact that you have cancer. But when you're suffering from grieving and mentally suffering, you could meet somebody tomorrow who could change your perspective. And so to me, that just seems like, that's just a way too wide a latitude, because everybody has to deal with grieving, and you don't want people to see this and be in the midst of grieving and then say like, well, this is an option. I could just, you know.

Speaker 6:
[117:53] Seems kind of like an easy out.

Speaker 1:
[117:54] Well, it's not easy.

Speaker 2:
[117:56] No, it's not about it being easy. It's about like what you're saying, Eric. It's tough because there needs to be a line in the sand.

Speaker 1:
[118:06] And it's hard to draw.

Speaker 2:
[118:08] Right. Yeah. It's hard to determine that for someone else.

Speaker 5:
[118:10] Yes. I don't like the idea of the state controlling it or encouraging it.

Speaker 1:
[118:18] Well, no, that's the problem in Canada, apparently. And maybe Swiss. Well, Canada seems to be very strange about it. I haven't read about it in a while, but I was reading about it a couple of years ago, and it seemed like there was one 16-year-old that was being cleared for this. I don't know if it ever happened.

Speaker 7:
[118:35] I don't know about a 16-year-old, but there was a 26-year-old and he was saying here he had type 1 diabetes. He's having vision loss, but his biggest struggle was mental health. And then there's a part here where it says he was coached on what to say to meet track two, which is the main thing.

Speaker 6:
[118:51] See, that's when it gets messed up, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[118:53] It's, yeah, I'm more, hey, listen, I'm not going to be here that long. Just let me go through it and then outlaw it.

Speaker 6:
[119:00] I'm so curious. How did this come up in conversation with your wife? Like, I'm just like-

Speaker 5:
[119:05] When you get older, you talk about those things.

Speaker 1:
[119:06] We've been together 40 years. I don't know, it started one place, and then, you know, we have a lot of people. We've lost friends. You know, you go through this.

Speaker 2:
[119:13] Yeah, you talk about how you want to handle the rest of your life.

Speaker 1:
[119:17] Your spouse has to know, if an accident were to happen or things like that. I just want my family to know that I'm not saying the first time I go into a hospital. I'm just saying, you know, when your life becomes- that is your life. Every day is a doctor and a hospital and then assisted this and assisted that. I'd rather have a little control over it. But I think this is- I have to honestly say, I don't think the Swiss should be doing this. I just- but again, the line is suffering and somebody's going to say, oh, so physical suffering is worse than this kind of suffering. And I would say, we know when physical suffering cannot be turned around. And we have examples of mental suffering being turned around. To me, that's the difference. Alex Williams is taking one last check. All right, before we go, we have almost no time here. Very quickly, going around the horn here tonight. As choices go, will you be watching the NFL draft, game three of the Hawks-Nicks or neither? George? Neither. Tim? Neither. He's at the arena. I'll be at the game. Will you be checking on a second screen what's going on with your Falcons in the NFL draft? I will be 100% locked into my Hawks. By the way, did the Hawks give you a call? Do they want a personality hire? Not yet. Come on, Hawks. See my Instagram. What the heck? Show some personality. Autumn Fisher, will you be watching the NFL draft, the Hawks versus Knicks? Oh, I know you're not going to be watching. What will you be watching? Will you be watching reality something? I'm going to be rewatching Sex and the City, which is what I'm doing. Isn't it Sex and the City? I don't know. I don't really care. For years, I said Sex and the City, and then I looked at it and it was like, it's Sex and the City. I thought it was Weird. It's like Star Trek, Star Trek, it's kind of, whatever. It's not Sex with the City? No. Sex on the City, maybe? Eric, what will you watch? I think I'll probably, I'll keep an eye on the draft and watch the Hawks, because the draft is going to be boring, I think. Caw, caw, caw, caw. Just go Hawks, right? That was a crow. That's a crow. That does not sound like a hawk, does it? Is that what a hawk sounds like? All right, that music is telling us two things. Shut the hell up and get the hell out. You know us. We're good citizens. We do what we're told. Shelley Winter is up next with a great radio show. As always, we will be back tomorrow for one more of these. We're going to do one more. By request, we're going to do one more of these this week. Tomorrow at 3 p.m. you're all invited to join us, but until then, continue on your journey. I do not piss off the genie. Thanks for listening to The Von Haessler Doctrine Podcast. Follow The Doctrine on YouTube, Facebook, Twitch, Instagram, and Twitter for even more content.