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Speaker 1:
[00:01] The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers podcast.
Speaker 2:
[00:08] Hello, everyone, welcome to the program today. Mondo Gonzales is here in studio, and we have a very special guest all the way from Israel who's written a phenomenal book, which I am absolutely certain that you will love. And before we get to Will, I just want to remind everybody about a couple things that are happening. And one of those is our June 4th through 7th prophecy conference in Colorado Springs. If you have not thought about joining us, we ask you to do that. It's going to be a great time in Colorado Springs. It always is beautiful there in June. And so also if you can't make it in person, you can join us through live stream. And so that's going to be a great time. We have, I think, 20 different speakers there. It's going to be a good time. So if you've ever wanted to go to Alaska on a cruise, we are having a Prophecy Conference on an Alaska cruise in August, August 22nd through 29th. And you can find information about both of those opportunities at prophecywatchers.com. Go there, check it out, scroll down. You will see the banners. As always, a lot of things are happening right now. And it's hard to keep up, truthfully. But one of the ways in which we're going to keep up is talking to Will Blesch all the way from Israel. Welcome, Will.
Speaker 1:
[01:24] Thank you so much for having me. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2:
[01:26] Yeah. And you have a new book out called In the Shadow of Goliath and the subtitle Angels, Giants, UFOs and the Hidden History of the Watchers, Nephilim and the Interdimensional War. This is right in our wheelhouse. And so right out of the gate, maybe introduce yourself to our audience who might not know about you and give us a background of what you've been doing and how you came to write a book like this.
Speaker 1:
[01:54] Wow. Well, it's kind of like an in-depth story. First of all, my name is Will Blesch. I'm a dual American Israeli citizen. I live in Israel. I've lived here for almost 20 years now. So pretty long time. And my background is in media, marketing. I've been involved in politics here. And basically, like, but when it comes to the book, when it comes to the research that I did on that, first of all, I've always done a lot of writing, and I've always been very heavy into research, regardless of the subject. But this particular thing intrigued me because, if I go way back, my mom, it was or is a gigantic science fiction freak. And she was really heavy into the original Star Trek. And when I was a kid, she sat me down. She had a friend who videotaped or, like, taped recorded the entire series off of regular broadcast television, and gave those VHS cassette tapes to her. And she got me, sat me down. We did, like, this gigantic marathon when I was about nine years old. And I got hooked on science fiction. And the whole idea of there being other beings outside of humanity really, really, really intrigued me. And so I, you know, I devoured all kinds of books from regular science fiction, you know, Isaac Asimov, all the classics, and that sort of thing. But it also really kind of opened up a, like a spiritual aspect to that, like existential kind of questions, even when I was nine years old. And so I wanted there to be something more, right? And when I was 12 years old, my mother had gotten a job working, she was a neonatal intensive care nurse, and she had gotten a job in Virginia, and we'd moved there. We were living out in the country. And for the time being, when we first moved there, we had moved in with my aunt and her husband, who were renting this place out in the boonies. And so me and my cousins, my sisters, my cousins, we're outplaying in this field. And if you know anything about the landscape of Virginia, it's a very wooded state. And in the place where we were living, there was this gigantic field that was connected to the house that my aunt was renting. And there was a tree line at one end of the field, which was really far off. And then there was a tree line that was a lot closer, like towards the back of the property. And as we're playing out there, it was around, I don't know, you know, what photographers would call magic hour. So it was probably like six, six in the evening or so, the sun was starting to go down. And we're all playing out there. And off across the tree line, all of a sudden there were these three lights. And at first I was like, oh, it's just a, you know, like a jet and it's the jets running lights or whatever. But these lights were up probably, they weren't like right over the tree line. They were pretty high up in the sky, like around cumulus cloud level, right? And they started moving towards us. And I didn't think anything of it as they've started moving towards us. I just comes, I glanced up, I saw it and I went back to playing. But a few, you know, just like less than a few minutes later, they were coming a lot closer. They were a lot bigger. And there was three of them. And they were in a triangle shape. And there was no noise whatsoever. And as it goes over, it's a black triangle with these crimson lights at each corner of this triangle shaped ship, right? Or a craft or whatever. And it's just gliding over. And I was like, it's a UFO, it's so awesome. You know, I just like, I was like, I was right, there really are aliens, this kind of thing, you know? And cause I think I was like 11 or 12 at the time. And I just, I had seen ET, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, you know, all these things were like, Empire Strikes Back was my favorite film at the time. And it just, you know, blew my mind. Here's this thing going over. And it was proof that we are not the only, in my mind, right? We are not the only intelligent species in the universe. And so it goes over, it reaches the other tree line, which is a little ways off in the distance. And it just paused, like it stopped. And it just hovered there for just a couple seconds. And then all of a sudden it just goes, it went so, and it was so fast, like it was there. And then it just shot up and it was totally gone. And I mean, I wasn't the only one who saw it. My cousins saw it as well. And we all went running inside to tell the adults, to tell the grownups. And nobody believed us. Like, and the whole thing was like, yeah, you've been watching too much Star Trek. And it just, yeah, it really ticked me off at the time.
Speaker 2:
[07:46] I believe that.
Speaker 1:
[07:47] I actually think, like my mom and my aunt have actually kind of come around since then. And, you know, I think they actually do believe that I did actually really see something. And my cousins also saw it. But anyway, this was like proof to me that there was something that we can't, you know, totally explain. Excuse me. And it set me off on a kind of like a journey. It wasn't like all at once. It wasn't like something that I, you know, just dove straight into all the UFO literature that I could find or something. But as I became a teenager, I started having a lot of questions. You know, I had heard from my mom and from, you know, the rabbi from the conservative congregation that we attended, lots of different things about God and angels and this sort of thing. And he answered the questions that I had, and they were really unsatisfactory answers, and they were very surface level, right? And it seemed like they were designed for, you know, something that you would tell a seven-year-old, basically. And it wasn't just his answers. I had lots of Christian friends, and they basically had the same kind of answers that, you know, this rabbi was giving. And they were getting their answers from their youth pastors, the local Baptist church, and this kind of thing, right? And so I was super, like, not uninterested in biblical things, but I was like, once I had these answers, which were really unsatisfying, I was like, well, that's bologna macaroni. I'm going to look elsewhere, right? And so I got really heavily into UFO literature, but also really heavily into New Age stuff and into Wicca, into a lot of alternative spirituality sources, right? And I read all kinds of stuff about, and Hinduism and Buddhism, and I just read voraciously. And I didn't, like, decide to follow any one of these particular paths, but I was busy absorbing their philosophy and their theology. And I thought that there was some truth in all of them, but none of them were very satisfying either at the end of the day. If you followed the rabbit trails towards their logical conclusions, for a lot of them, I was like, that's not so great either. And so I kind of like, by the time I was in my twenties, I was like focusing on career stuff, on family things. And I was like, you know what? I'm not gonna worry so much about the spiritual side of things. And you know, maybe they're, the stuff that I saw when I was a kid, I do think it was real. Maybe it was from some intergalactic, you know, civilization. Maybe there really are aliens from other planets, et cetera, et cetera. But I'm not gonna worry about it because they don't really impact my life that much. And I just kind of went on until I moved to Israel, which actually was after one of the worst relationship breakups that I'd ever had ever. And that was actually my very bad reason for moving to Israel, was that I wanted the biggest change that I could think of. And at the time, that was, well, change my whole circumstances, my whole environment. I'm gonna go all the way overseas. So I did that. And, you know, I had orthodox Jewish friends. I had friends that were completely secular. I had lots of conversations with them. Then my mom had actually become a believer way before I, way before me. And, you know, like a real believer, a real follower of Yeshua, of Jesus Christ. And she had, every time that I talked to her, she would always bring stuff back to the Bible. And I was, I found that incredibly annoying. And she was like, well, you really should read this and read this, you know, and not just the Hebrew scriptures, but, you know, also read the B'it Chadashan, the New Testament. And like, there's nothing, you know, like, there's no harm in actually reading it and finding out what it has to say for yourself, you know? And I'd been like, I was like, well, I've already read part, you know, I've read this and I've read this and I've read, why should I, she's like, no, go and just read it from beginning to end, do it. And so eventually, because she nagged me, and, you know, I'm busy, like, trying to tell her about yoga and all this stuff that I'm doing. And she's all like, why don't you just go read it? I'm fine, you know?
Speaker 2:
[13:12] Read everything else, why not this?
Speaker 1:
[13:14] Yes, that basically was the gist of it. And so I did. And I can't say that I had, like, this epiphany. Like, I'm sure there are people who have had, you know, some testimonies of Jewish believers are like, Jesus totally showed himself to me, and I, you know, now I'm a believer. That didn't happen for me. My journey to becoming a follower of Jesus Christ, was much more intellectual, and it was much more of a, I need proof. I need some kind of evidence. I need something logical, right? And the progression of the Hebrew scriptures and its fulfillment in the New Testament, that was something that really can, began to convince me. I can't say that it totally convinced me at the beginning, but it began to convince me. And eventually, I got to the point where I did, where I was like, you know what? If he is the way, the truth and the life, and he's telling the truth, then he's the one we've all been waiting for, and maybe he's the one that I've been waiting for, and I'm just going to take the plunge. And so I actually did this stereotypical kind of prayer, and I was like, if you really are who you say you are, you know, make you basically make yourself real to me, and I will follow you forever. And he did, and so I did. And I'm still doing it, right? And it was, you know, when you have to count the cost, there was a cost for me. I lost pretty much every friend that I had, because I made a point of going and telling each person, because I didn't want to hide it. There's a thing here where a lot of anti-missionaries will be like, you know, if Messianic Jews, they try to hide who they are, they pass themselves off as real Jews, and they try to, you know, sneak in and steal Jewish souls, you know, and I'm like, I'm just going to be open about it, and like, this is who I am, this is what I believe, this is what I just told you. That's what I told everybody, right? And I lost a lot of friends, almost all of them. I think I have two people who didn't completely ditch me, but they are not the friends that they used to be, right?
Speaker 2:
[15:54] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[15:55] And so, there was a huge cost to it. And that happened about five years ago. And one of the things that I noticed, as I was doing all of my research, is that there are a lot of traditions within Judaism, but also within Christianity, that have become doctrine and that tend to obfuscate what is actually written in black and white in the Hebrew scriptures, as well as the New Testament, and the surrounding second temple literature. And I began noticing patterns that connected a lot of what's actually written to things that are described within both New Age and UFO communities by abductees, by experiencers. There's a lot of overlap, excuse me, of overlap and correlations there. And that intrigued me. And so that was the beginning, that was the impetus of writing the book.
Speaker 2:
[16:58] Maybe give us a synopsis of why the title, In the Shadow of Goliath, what does that even mean? Because there's a subtitle which we mentioned earlier, but why bring up Goliath?
Speaker 1:
[17:07] Sure, so Goliath is representative of a rebellion that was never actually eradicated, right? That extends down to today in a spiritual sense, in a very real spiritual sense. And talking about being in the shadow of Goliath is pretty much being in or standing in the shadow of this ongoing cosmic rebellion. And until Jesus comes back and wins the day, there is a war that's going on, and all of us are born into it. And there's nothing we, you know, we're not exactly pawns, but we have no, how should I say it? We weren't the ones who started it, and we're not the ones who are gonna finish it, but we are definitely born into it, and we're not supposed to be inactive players.
Speaker 2:
[18:20] Spectators, yeah, not spectators for sure.
Speaker 1:
[18:22] So that's basically where the whole, in the chat, that's where the title came from. Because I do talk about the origins of that cosmic rebellion, and I talk about implications and potential directions for where that rebellion is ultimately going to end up finishing.
Speaker 2:
[18:46] Yeah, absolutely. And when people think about, because you interact with so many topics, the Nephilim and UFOs, and even everything where things are heading in the current moment. And one of the things you discussed in there, maybe provide for us, because again, as you said earlier, very evidence-oriented, very scientifically minded. How do you tie those together in the sense of evidence that you present in the book for people? How do you get from basically Nephilim in Genesis 6 and other passages to modern-day UFOs? You talk about David Grush, you talk about all the things that are happening in Congress. How do you bridge that gap? What is the bridge there?
Speaker 1:
[19:28] First of all, that's a very hard question to answer. There has to be a foundation, first of all, and that foundation is a framework which is provided by the Hebrew scriptures and the New Testament, what is considered canon, right? It provides a framework for non-human intelligences, for beings, for entities, whatever you wanna call it, that are not human, but that are impacting our history and our future history. We know them as angels, but angels is just an umbrella term, right? Angels is malach, and all it means is messenger. And there can be human messengers, there can be, and sometimes there are humans who are actually called angels within the Bible. There are, but there's all these heavenly beings, right? Or what we consider to be heavenly beings that exist outside our time and space, and that have agency, and that do whatever God says, or if they're rebellious, they don't, right? But that's the foundational layer. And one of the things that makes the connection is the fact that, number one, these beings have been interacting with humanity for thousands and thousands of years. They were in existence before the earth was created. They were there, in the Book of Job, it says that the morning stars saw the earth's creation, and they sang for joy. And then you have, there's these alternate explanations going around that seem to riff off of the biblical explanation, but that completely skew it, and those are things like the ancient aliens theory that you hear on the, not the Discovery Channel, on the History Channel, and that were inspired by books by Zechariah Sitchin or Eric Von Daniken with Chariots of the Gods. And in that narrative, it's intergalactic aliens from eons past who came to earth, and they ended up becoming our gods. Well, in the biblical version, these beings don't originate from some other star system, but rather wherever God happens to be, in his dimensional space. So they're interdimensional beings. But one area where they overlap, where both of these things overlap, is that like Timothy Alborino has said, I don't know if you're familiar with him or his book Birthright, but he has made the argument, and he's absolutely correct, that angels within the Bible can fit the term, or terms, alien and extraterrestrial. And how can that be? Well, angels are not human, therefore, they are alien. Angels' place of origin is not planet Earth, therefore, they are extraterrestrial. And if that's the case, and descriptions of certain species within the angelic umbrella, if they match or have some kind of overlap or correlation with beings described by abductees and UFO experiencers, well, then that's the connection, right? And if you begin to make those connections and you follow them, again, to their logical conclusion, it makes for some pretty interesting hypotheses anyway.
Speaker 2:
[23:48] Yeah, 100%. To me, these competing narratives, it's no surprise that you would have satan in his kingdom, the fallen kingdom, creating a deceptive narrative as it relates to UFOs, the whole UFO phenomenon going back again in our modern age. You talk in the book and maybe share with us. Again, you bring up evidence of various kinds. The talk about maybe the similarities, because in our modern, you mentioned science fiction, Star Trek and other things. But yet, this idea of visibly seeing other things that are unexplainable, talk about that that exists prior to the 20th century, that this is something that historically you have evidence of and you provide for it. Maybe for the audience, bring that connection together.
Speaker 1:
[24:42] Well, when you're talking about before the 20th century, are you talking about like elves and... Or are you talking like...
Speaker 2:
[24:54] You bring up the Roman historians where they're talking about shields in the sky and other things where there's stuff like that.
Speaker 1:
[25:01] Yes, absolutely. So flat out, there have been people who have experienced what people today would call UFOs or UAP phenomena, right? It's happened. There was tons of things that an actual news reports from the time in Germany where these gigantic airships showed up and had a battle in the skies. And several towns saw it happen. And all of their media at the time went bonkers over it. I think it was back in the 1600s. There's things in the Hebrew scriptures themselves. Like, for example, there's a point where, I believe it was Elijah or maybe it was Elijah. I don't remember which one of the Elijah Elishas. But his servant comes outside and the prophet prays to have his eyes opened up and he sees these hundreds of thousands of angelic warriors in their chariots surrounding them, right? And then when Elijah is taken up in a whirlwind and this kind of thing. And then you have Ezekiel's wheel within the wheels, right? And there's these various descriptions throughout history, from far back, thousands and thousands of years ago, all the way up to the 20th century, when the modern UFO phenomena really exploded. But there's, in terms of, how do I, how should I say it? There is a lot of evidence for beings which are not humans that have interacted with our species throughout human history. And I go through a ton of that in the book.
Speaker 2:
[27:20] Yeah, to me, that's the fascinating thing, is that this isn't anything new, but yet you have, again, this narrative, I'd call it probably the consensus narrative of the History Channel crowd today, for sure. And the goal for you, which again, that's why we appreciate it, is, hey, let's provide a Biblical view of this rather than the Von Donakin view or Sitchin. The other thing that you bring up is, we've been kind of talking about the past. As we look to the future in prophetic development, and certainly as we know, we're heading into the end of the age, using Jesus' words. How do you see the Nephilim, of course, in Genesis 6, the whole phenomenon into the modern idea? It's very technological now. How do you see it playing out in the sense of prophetically?
Speaker 1:
[28:17] First of all, I think it's very possible that the effort, the strategy, or the tactics of the enemy, I think the tactics have actually changed, I think the strategy has remained mostly intact. Part of that strategy is to change the human genome from being something that God created, that he approved of, that he put his stamp on as made in the image of God, to change it into something that's something else. And I think that was the original strategy of The Watchers when they came down and they did what they did in Genesis 6. By them putting their DNA, mixing their DNA with our DNA, it created a hybrid race that no longer was a son of God. They had the angels who are called sons of God, the Bnei Elohim, and then you have mankind that was made in the image of God. But just because you have two sons of God and you put them together, doesn't mean that the offspring of that union is also going to be a son of God. Especially when it's clear that God didn't approve, the first time around. But I think that because it says that the Nephilim were in the earth in those days, which was before the flood, and after, which is obviously after Noah's flood. And then you have vague references within the prophets to these kinds of things happening again in the end times. Chuck Missler actually talked about this as well. Then I think that there is the possibility that in some way the enemy is going to try to do something similar again in the last days. Do I know what that specific mechanism is going to be? No, I don't. And I've heard people speculate about whether the Antichrist is going to be a hybrid being. I've heard people speculate about whether the Mark of the Beast might be something that changes us on a genetic level, on a cellular level. And I do think, especially concerning the Mark of the Beast, I actually do think that there is a real possibility of that. I think it's gigantic speculation regarding the Antichrist. But all of those things actually are possibilities. Based on what is actually written in Scripture. So I think, I don't think any of that is something that believers need to be afraid of. It's not something there to scare everybody. But I do think that it's something to be aware of. And it's a good reason to make sure that your personal relationship with Jesus is on track, right? And because I think, this is just my personal opinion, but I don't believe that if you are following the Lord in the way that you should be, I don't think that he's going to allow you to be deceived into doing something that is going to change or revoke your salvation, which you take the mark of the beast, even if you say, Jesus is Lord, well, sorry, you just cut your own throat, right? And in a very real spiritual sense, but it's not just spiritual. I think that's the thing that a lot of people have perhaps a misconception about. I do think that it's a physical act that changes what we are. And so, yeah, I don't know if I answered your question.
Speaker 2:
[32:42] No, no, that's very good. I mean, we see this trajectory that again, at the end of the age and we're watching it unfold. And so it's not surprising that we would watch transhumanism increase. And we see these different mechanisms in order to confront humanity and what it means to be human physically and genetically and everything else. And so to me, it's a fascinating to watch. I do 100% agree that if you're a follower of Jesus, and I mean, either Jesus protects us or he doesn't. And we know that he does. In John 10, he's the good shepherd. So we're in his hands, we're in the Father's hands. And so we have complete comfort to know that no one can pluck us out of his hands and he's not going to allow us again to be deceived to such a degree that would revoke our salvation. I mean, he cares about us. In fact, in John 6, he says to all that the Father has given me, I've lost none. So to me, that's extremely comforting to know that. Yep, absolutely. One of the things that I love, Will, is archaeology. And you bring up some archaeology in the book too, talking about basically how archaeology has shown, again, historical reference and how it fits together. You mind talking about that?
Speaker 1:
[33:55] Well, is there a particular place in the book that you're thinking of concerning archaeology?
Speaker 2:
[34:02] Just in general, the idea of archaeology, kind of providing evidence.
Speaker 1:
[34:07] Sure. So there is a ton of archaeological stuff, particularly here in Israel, but also all around the world. There is evidence of giants, in my opinion. There's a ton of megalithic structures that, in my view, are potentially either Nephilim architecture. LA. Marzulli talks about that quite a lot. And that kind of stuff is found all over the world. But the archaeology, it shows in the art. You know, the history channel is not wrong when they go and they show, I think their interpretations are wrong, but they're not wrong in that these ancient cultures documented what they saw. They wrote about what they saw, and whether those people were talking about, you know, when they're, many times they're talking about their gods, but a lot of time, or their spirits, or whatever, right? But they wrote it down, they documented it, and a lot of those things are also talked about in Hebrew literature. The paradigm has shifted, and it's explained in terms of like, you know, the heavenly council, and this kind of thing, which Dr. Michael Heiser expounds upon in his Unseen Realm quite thoroughly. So, the archaeology backs up the narrative that we have been visited by non-human intelligences, and they're most likely interdimensional in nature. And the Bible says, flat out, what they are, you know? So I think archaeology really does back up what the Bible has to say.
Speaker 2:
[36:17] Yeah, to me, it's fascinating to go around and to look at all across the world, different cultures, Peru, you know, Sardinia, I mean, Malta, you have, again, you name it, Balbek, Lebanon. I mean, it's truly phenomenal. There's a history there that is relatively, again, obscure to the modern mind, but yet the archaeology is the same. Everybody looks at the same data, but as you said, the interpretations are different. One of the phraseologies used is that the book here is a sledgehammer to dogma and some of the things. And maybe expand on that a little bit, because what I appreciate is what you shared earlier is your story of pursuing literature before necessarily getting into the New Testament. So you absorbed all this information, and then you get confronted with that whole tradition, and then you get confronted with the full biblical narrative. And maybe talk about how that basically modified things and established and kind of breaks sledgehammers, the tradition and dogma.
Speaker 1:
[37:28] Well, when it comes to the tradition and dogma, there are walls, institutional walls, that are built within academia, and also within the church and within the synagogue, right? There are things that are built up as tradition that don't match what's written within scripture. And a lot of, like, basically, there are, there was a time when there was a particular view of scripture that's considered traditional, like a traditional interpretation, which is a much more literal in its reading of the scripture, of like what it says in black and white, that they actually meant that, right? But over time, there were particular theologians who began to get really steeped in Greek rationalism, and they kind of followed the zeitgeist of the time over the Enlightenment. People like Moses Maimonides or Rambam, who is a towering figure in Orthodox Judaism today, also the Vilna Gaon, likewise. And then on the church side, you had, or in Christianity, you had church fathers like Thomas Aquinas, who pretty much agreed with Rambam completely. And whenever they talked about spiritual beings, angelic beings, and a lot of times even God, they would take what's in black and white, and they would reinterpret it in the light of, oh, wait a minute, does this make rational sense? Hmm, not really, because we've never seen an angel, and we've never seen God, so it's symbolic, or it's metaphorical, or it's, you know, a great example is when the two angels and the Lord come and visit Abraham at the Oak of Mamre. Abraham knows that these guys are angels. He knows that one of them is the Lord, and he invites them to come and eat with them, and he has Sarah make them this big meal, and they all sit down and they eat together. Well, that's a pretty physical act, and the reinterpretation of that during the rational period was that it only appeared that they ate something. They didn't really do it. They just appeared to do it, and they made Abraham think that that's what they were doing. And so you get this idea, which has become church doctrine and also synagogue doctrine just about across every Christian denomination and Jewish denomination, that angels are purely spiritual, incorporeal beings with no free will. And the purely spiritual, incorporeal thing is pretty much in every church doctrine. And the no free will thing, that's not everywhere, but it is in many, many places. But that is just, it's not borne out in the Hebrew scriptures, if you read it with a literal mindset. And I'm not talking hyper literalism here, I'm just talking about does the scripture mean what it says, right? But it's also within the New Testament, you find it when the angel goes and breaks Peter out of jail. He smacks Peter on the side, you know, he's like, hey, get up. Yeah, like if you get smacked by an angel, and this is the New Testament talking, you know, that's a pretty physical thing, you know? And these things get reinterpreted as an angel may, okay, maybe, yeah, that's kind of physical. So maybe the angel can shape shift and somehow they become physical when they get into our space. And, but that's just kind of like explaining away what the text says, right? Because you can't, because some of these theologians couldn't wrap their heads around the idea that the scripture was meant what it said, right? I know I keep like harping on that, it means what it says.
Speaker 2:
[42:25] It means what it says, yep.
Speaker 1:
[42:26] But the, there is, yeah, I think I kind of lost the plot there, I went off track, so I don't remember what the actual question was that you asked.
Speaker 2:
[42:39] Well, no, I think you answered it, that what you've done here is that there's tradition and dogma, but yet what you've done in the book is to sledgehammer it. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[42:48] Yeah, so that's one of the things on the church side of things, on the spiritual side of things, which I document pretty heavily. And I go through and I point out case after case after case within canon scripture, right? But then I do the same thing on the academic side of things. For example, when it comes to the theory of evolution, and when it's, I don't go really, really deep into this, but I do bring in peer-reviewed literature when it comes to certain hominids. And there is this idea, and I specifically, I talk about the Neanderthals and the Dinosovians. And churches don't have a great explanation for who these beings were. There's certain pre-odomic race theories, one of which is super racist, which came out of the 1800s. And then there's another one, which is not quite as bad, but that I don't think holds up. But there is a Hebrew explanation for it, and that's the Nephilim. We know for a fact that both Neanderthals and Dinosovians lived for a significant amount of time. Even the regular evolutionary theorist guys will tell you that, yes, these two hominids lived for a significant period of time alongside homo sapiens, sapiens, and they didn't just live alongside them, they often made war with them. And they didn't just make war with them, sometimes they interbred with them. And now, northern European populations still carry 2% of Neanderthal mitochondrial DNA, which only comes from the mother. Then, when it comes to the Dinosovians, certain Asian populations have up to 4% of their DNA, still within the population. And according to the peer-reviewed literature, both populations, one of the theories is that they died out. Why did they go extinct? Well, because they had a dwindling genetic gene pool. They had their, like, their genetic diversity was extremely low. And so they began to go extinct because of that. But there's another explanation, and that is that hybrid populations begin with extremely low genetic diversity. And nobody talks about that. And so that's something else that I explore in the book. So it's not a, oh, you know, these were part of the human family tree. Because even the evolutionary guys no longer say that, you know, Neanderthals were a precursor to modern humans. Now they were just somehow they split off from our line. At one point, we had a common ancestor, and this particular line went extinct. Same thing with the Denisovians, right? But there is another explanation. And it's interesting, one of the things I found while I was doing research is that there are certain Christian organizations which talk about these things. One of them, and I'm not going to go into names, because I'm not trying to like really dog anybody here, but I do disagree with them. Because one of those explanations is that the Neanderthals were human looking beings. They were basically very intelligent human like animals. And one of the things that immediately popped into my mind is if we have genetic proof that they interbred with the human species, not to be crude, but there have been cases where humans had sexual relations with animals throughout human history, but at no time were there ever viable offspring from those unions. The only way to have viable offspring is if there is a genetic match. And so, how did a potentially hybrid being and humans have enough genetic similarity to have kids? Well, that's something else that I explore in the book. But it's, it is, it's, there has to be some kind of genetic link, right? And you would have that even if you had this being with an angelic paternal source and a human mother. Their kids could theoretically have kids with pure-blooded humans, you know? So I think that there is a much better, it fits, these hominids fit a Hebraic framework much better than they do an evolutionary one, and much better than they do some of the other theories, I think, that have been put forth by certain Christian organizations.
Speaker 2:
[48:18] Yeah, 100% agreed on that. And as we close here, what advice would you give to the listener who is watching the end of the age unfold? There's a lot of interesting things. Again, there's a new film, Spielberg film coming out in June, about bringing up the age of disclosure. There's another film on disclosure recently. What counsel would you give the Christian as it relates to discernment, and as we continue to approach ever more speedily the end of the age?
Speaker 1:
[48:57] I think I've already said it, is just you have to make sure that your relationship with the king of kings is where it should be. If you're not following him, and he's not the lord of your life, make him the lord of your life. That's the bottom line. But that is something that is so easy to say, because every single one of us messes up probably day in and day out. And the good part about that is that our salvation isn't based on how great we are, it's because of how great he is. And whenever you are... I don't think that gives you license to sin, right? But what I'm trying to say is that it's so easy to say, make sure your life is right. But the way to do that is to meditate on his word day and night, like the psalmist says. It's to make sure that your prayer life... I was thinking about this for myself. There are days and days sometimes where I go and I haven't actually even prayed. I might be praying in my thoughts or something, right? Or I might think about something that God said or did, or I've read the word for that day or whatever. But I haven't actually taken the time to go and talk to him. And I think a lot of those kinds of things just... Is somebody your friend? Do you call them your mom? You call your mom? Why don't you do that with the Lord? That is something that I think if you love him, you will do. And the more you love him, the more you want to get closer to him and to learn the things of him and to become who he wants you to be instead of the person that you are, which is a sinner in need of salvation. So that would be my flat out, that's the bottom line kind of thing. The other thing would be just be aware of what's going on in the world. There's all kinds of things that are happening all over the place and they're happening super fast. And I think wherever you are, when the Lord comes back, it's whether you know what's happening in Russia, or you know what's happening in Israel, that's not going to matter because the Lord is going to come back and you're going to be with him, right? But it does matter for as long as we're here. And how you behave to the people around you and how you, you know, if you're a political person, it matters. If you are somebody who, I don't know, I'm kind of going off on the rails again there, but that's basically what it is, you know? You pay attention so that you won't be deceived. There's a lot of narratives. The whole, like you were talking about with the disclosure thing, it is possible that at some point, they're going to say that, you know, there's a starship. You know, there was like this whole thing recently with Avi Lieb, who's a Harvard physicist, I believe. And he's been, you know, journaling on medium.com, talking about this thing that came into our solar system and how it very well could be, you know, powered by some artificial source. And what does that imply? And there's all, so there's all these things where, hey, you know, some intergalactic star people might show up one day. And if they do, what do we do as believers, right? Are they who they say they are? Or are, I don't know if you guys have ever watched V from the 1980s. But, you know, they show up as saviors and they're not the same. And I think that the very same thing would be the case if that ever actually really happened in our coming future.
Speaker 2:
[53:19] Yeah, absolutely. I mean, here we are. The two things, everybody, stay close to Jesus and keep the scripture right in front of you. As we approach things and we watch and we, we run everything through the lens of God's word to us. And so, Will, it's been great talking to you. Thank you, everybody else. As always, we just want to say thank you for your prayers and support that helps us continue to get the word out. As we know, the end of the age is coming very fast and we want to be ready for the Lord's return. So thanks for watching today and we will catch you next time.