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Speaker 1:
[00:06] So, welcome to We'll Do It Live, and who better than to do it live with? Then, Judge Jeanine Pirro, everyone, here she is. You don't see much of her, because she's so busy these days. But we snagged her, and I am very happy that you're happy. And I mean that.
Speaker 2:
[00:30] Thank you.
Speaker 1:
[00:30] Because I didn't know, you know, this five thing was a cushy job.
Speaker 2:
[00:35] Come on.
Speaker 1:
[00:37] This Fox 5 thing you're sitting there, if you can put up with Gutfeld, that's all you got.
Speaker 2:
[00:41] Oh, boy, if that isn't the point.
Speaker 1:
[00:43] Right. But it's a cushy job. It's like, okay, here's a lot of money. Just sit there and then you say a few things and you go home. This is a hard job, but not a lot of people know what you do. What do you do?
Speaker 2:
[01:01] Well, first of all, the Five was not a cushy job. It was a great job because you get hair and makeup and you make money. We have to be up on the news. You know that. I mean, you were in the business and you were at the top of the pyramid when you were in that business. But this job is Jeanine or me going back to my roots. It's the job that I started and it's a job that I love. I love criminal justice. I love the idea of fighting on behalf of the victims of crime. I like enforcing the law. I believe in law and order. I believe in the Constitution. I believe that things have gotten so out of whack that we really needed to kind of readjust what was happening. When I saw that Washington, DC had the fourth highest murder rate in the nation, comparable to the capital of some third-world country as recently as two years ago, I said that's the kind of place where maybe I have something to offer. When the president called, first of all, I was honored and I knew that it was something that would feed into my wheelhouse. Although I was a local DA in a county of a million people, which is much larger than the district that we're in right now, I was elected and re-elected and re-elected again, so I had to be out there in the political sphere. Here, I could do the job and I'm accountable to the people and of course the president. Okay.
Speaker 1:
[02:45] But you're the DA of Westchester County, just north of New York City, and everybody knows what you do. When there's a crime committed in Westchester County, it comes into your office, you decide whether to prosecute the crime, and then when you make your decision, the other attorneys go and they prosecute. Here, you got the Attorney General of the United States, okay, right across town, all right? You got a mayor that's not affiliated with Trump, so locally elected mayor Muriel Bowser. So it's almost like a mosaic. So say somebody in DC murders somebody on federal property. Your case or the DA's case?
Speaker 2:
[03:40] I am the DA.
Speaker 1:
[03:41] I mean, or the Attorney General's case.
Speaker 2:
[03:44] Okay, here's the difference. Remember we talked about the DA handling local crime, street crime, and then you have the federal United States attorney? My office in DC and as the United States attorney in the District of Columbia, I am both. I am both the local prosecutor and I am the United States attorney. I am a double-hatter. Everything that happens is mine.
Speaker 1:
[04:08] So the Attorney General of the United States, she doesn't get involved with the street crime or anything like that in the District.
Speaker 2:
[04:19] She is, it's no longer she, the Attorney General of course is now acting Tom Blanch. Okay, but to the extent that the president has decided that he is going to make DC safe and beautiful with his executive order, then I am one of the only, if not the only United States attorney who has dual jurisdiction of street crime and federal crime. I am the only one in the country that does both.
Speaker 1:
[04:46] The Attorney General then oversees the FBI, oversees the crimes that cut across the world.
Speaker 2:
[04:54] Federal crimes. Right.
Speaker 1:
[04:55] Now, I was surprised. I had seen Pam Bondi on St. Patrick's Day. Nice conversation. I always got along with her. I was surprised that she left. That surprised you?
Speaker 2:
[05:09] I think she was asked to leave. That's my understanding. I'm not surprised because the president wants things done, and he needs someone who is going to aggressively pursue the agenda that needs to be done. Now, I think he sees in Todd Blanch, the acting attorney general.
Speaker 1:
[05:33] A more aggressive person.
Speaker 2:
[05:34] A more aggressive person.
Speaker 1:
[05:35] I don't think there's any doubt about that.
Speaker 2:
[05:37] Yeah. I think that that's what the president wants.
Speaker 1:
[05:40] Do you have anything to do with the Epstein situation?
Speaker 2:
[05:44] Absolutely not.
Speaker 1:
[05:45] Okay. Because that vexed Pam Bondi. That vexed her. Yes. She made an initial mistake by saying, I got this file and then everybody goes, what file? Let me see the file. Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[05:58] And a client list and all that.
Speaker 1:
[05:59] But you don't have anything to do with Epstein?
Speaker 2:
[06:02] No. No. No. Because there isn't anything in my jurisdiction that involves any of the Epstein victims or, and if someone had a case where they want to claim, and I just started a hotline, a tip line for Eric Swalwell. Once it was determined in California that he has been engaging in inappropriate, if not criminal behavior, allegations, that, you know, I would look into it as well. So just as I'm doing that with Swalwell, I'll do that with any crime victim. I am an aggressive prosecutor.
Speaker 1:
[06:35] How long has it took place in the DC area?
Speaker 2:
[06:36] In my jurisdiction, right.
Speaker 1:
[06:38] All right. So tell me why the nation's capital had so many murders. Why?
Speaker 2:
[06:48] I'll tell you why. The nation's capital had so many murders because there was not a focus on law and order. There was not, we have a DC. Council. The DC. Council has laws that cover the superior court, and they can be murders, and they can be, you know, assaults, sex crimes, burglaries, robberies, but they allow for the kind of sentencing that is so absurd, Bill, you would be stunned. So if you have someone who is under the age of 25 and kills three people in the DC court, not even the federal part of my job, but the local, and the court gives them 30 years for one, 30 years for another, and 90 years, because of the DC council, after 15 years, he can get out. He doesn't have to prove he's sorry. He doesn't have to say what he did was wrong. They just figured he was under 25. We got to give him another shot.
Speaker 1:
[07:47] So you're saying that the DC city council, elected by the locals.
Speaker 2:
[07:51] By the locals.
Speaker 1:
[07:52] Too soft on crime.
Speaker 2:
[07:54] Too soft on crime is a kind way of saying it. What they are doing is they are allowing young people, teenagers, to commit crimes in my view, but allowing them to go into the juvenile justice system and the family court where the focus is not punishment, deterrence, or retribution, it's rehabilitation. But that rehabilitation is yoga and ice cream social. There's no accountability. So these young punks end up with a rap sheet a mile long. By the time they get to me, Bill, they're committing a murder. I look at their juvenile rap sheet, they've got robbery, car theft, they've got burglary, assault with a dangerous weapon. It's crazy.
Speaker 1:
[08:41] This is like New York.
Speaker 2:
[08:42] Worse.
Speaker 1:
[08:43] It's worse in New York.
Speaker 2:
[08:44] Definitely worse than New York.
Speaker 1:
[08:46] Okay.
Speaker 2:
[08:46] Because when I was a prosecutor in New York, if you committed a murder at 14, I could prosecute you. Here, I cannot.
Speaker 1:
[08:53] But you know New York has changed its laws to make it easier for the miscreants to race around. Of course. Now, why? Why did the elected city council of Washington DC decide to go soft on crime?
Speaker 2:
[09:10] You'll have to ask them, Bill. But what I can tell you is that they think that young people need to be coddled because their prefrontal corticals area is not fully developed, and they are not capable of making reasoned decisions. But my question to you, Bill, is does it matter to you, God forbid, if you were shot, whether it's a 15-year-old who shoots you or a 50-year-old? The consequences to you are the same.
Speaker 1:
[09:40] Sure. What if it's my daughter or my son?
Speaker 2:
[09:42] Yeah, it's even worse.
Speaker 1:
[09:43] Right.
Speaker 2:
[09:43] Okay? So they are not inclined to focus on the victims, they are focused on the young punks.
Speaker 1:
[09:51] Right. Has that changed since you've been here?
Speaker 2:
[09:54] No. And in fact, we are demanding that they lower the age of accountability to 15, 16. They're not allowing that.
Speaker 1:
[10:03] And they're fighting you?
Speaker 2:
[10:04] Well, they're not doing it. Look, the Mayor Bowser, and by the way, the way to solve these issues is, first of all, thank President Trump, the executive order, make DC safe and beautiful. He gives us the resources. I work with Mayor Bowser and the chief of police every day. We have a great relationship, because we have a fundamental belief that we can make a difference.
Speaker 1:
[10:28] So Bowser has come over to your side?
Speaker 2:
[10:31] I had a press conference with her today on a car theft ring that is international.
Speaker 1:
[10:36] What was the source of this conversion? Because she was always a far left person.
Speaker 2:
[10:40] You know what?
Speaker 1:
[10:41] Is it your personality?
Speaker 2:
[10:42] Oh, it's my over, my personality overcame her.
Speaker 1:
[10:46] Because she's totally changed.
Speaker 2:
[10:47] She may have. All I know is the Muriel Bowser that I know is a Muriel Bowser that I like, that I can work with. We're doing another press conference on Friday on domestic violence, international theft ring. Tomorrow I'm doing something on sea scam and scam compounds in Southeast Asia. I mean, we're fighting all kinds of crimes. This is the best job in the world. I can do terrorism and bring back, you covered Benghazi, I covered Benghazi, I got the ringleader. We knew who the ringleader was from the get go. Did anybody do anything? No. I got together with Marco Rubio, Cash Patel, and we brought back a guy named Bakush. I was on the tarmac for the transfer of control of this individual. And I met him and now we're prosecuting him.
Speaker 1:
[11:37] What was the link to DC on it?
Speaker 2:
[11:40] We handle terrorism, where Americans are killed abroad. I'm also handling the Lockerbie case.
Speaker 1:
[11:46] Any kind of terrorist activity abroad?
Speaker 2:
[11:48] Outside of the country. Yes.
Speaker 1:
[11:50] That's in your jurisdiction? That's mine.
Speaker 2:
[11:51] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[11:51] I did not know that.
Speaker 2:
[11:52] This is the biggest United States Attorney's office in the country.
Speaker 1:
[11:56] I had no idea.
Speaker 2:
[11:57] Well, if you give me another hour, I'll tell you about it.
Speaker 1:
[12:00] And if I don't know, nobody knows. National Guard, they're still here.
Speaker 2:
[12:04] Yep. And I'm glad they're still here. And unfortunately, you know, one of the National Guard was killed. And another one is recuperating. Sarah Beckstrom and Andrew, who I talked to his mother and continued to talk to him on a regular basis. You know, we're close to our victims. You know, the intern you heard about who was shot at 1030 at night, caught in gunfire, is an intern who was working for a congressman from Arkansas. His mother and I are the best of friends. She never thought this case would be solved. MPD solved the case. Muriel Bowser, chief of police, solved the case. We worked together. We worked day and night on this case.
Speaker 1:
[12:45] Who has jurisdiction over the National Guard in DC.?
Speaker 2:
[12:48] Oh, that is a great question.
Speaker 1:
[12:50] Well, that's me.
Speaker 2:
[12:52] You asked great questions. I would say that the president does, because there is no governor.
Speaker 1:
[12:58] Okay. So, that I think is the correct answer, because the president of the United States, the commander in chief and the National Guard is part of the military. So, of course, it would come back to him. And he, how long is he going to keep the guard here?
Speaker 2:
[13:16] You know, obviously you'd have to speak to him about it, but I think that, you know, the president is focused on the 250th anniversary of the country in the 4th of July.
Speaker 1:
[13:26] And he wants a clean DC.
Speaker 2:
[13:27] He wants a clean DC. And we have brought crime down. Homicides are at the lowest rate in recorded history, but right now we're seeing a little uptick. Why? Because the weather's getting nicer, people are coming out, but we've made 12,000 arrests under this federal enhancement with the local police. We've taken something like, I don't know, 1,300 guns off the street. You know, those are 1,300 fewer guns that people can use to kill other people.
Speaker 1:
[13:55] Now, can the guard take the guns or can they just detain?
Speaker 2:
[13:59] Well, the guard can work. They always go with the local police, but they have their own guns that they can use, which is what happened with Lackawall, who came from the state of Washington and decided to kill the two or two.
Speaker 1:
[14:09] So wherever the National Guard goes, they take the local Metro DC police with them.
Speaker 2:
[14:15] Yes. Yes, but no, you'll see them on a street corner alone.
Speaker 1:
[14:19] Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[14:19] Okay. And they're there to deter crime. Okay. Whether or not they could make an arrest, they would probably, you know, concert or confer with MPD or other police agencies.
Speaker 1:
[14:31] Can they stop a miscreant from running?
Speaker 2:
[14:33] Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1:
[14:34] Okay.
Speaker 2:
[14:35] They can. They can detain. Yes.
Speaker 1:
[14:36] So they're another tool of control to stop people from committing crimes on the street.
Speaker 2:
[14:44] Yeah. You know what's happening, Bill? People are able to go out to dinner. They're able to walk the streets.
Speaker 1:
[14:50] You sound like Trump.
Speaker 2:
[14:51] Because it's true. It's true, Bill. I hear it all the time.
Speaker 1:
[14:55] Every time Trump says that, he says, when are you going to buy me dinner?
Speaker 2:
[14:57] Yeah, he could buy both of us dinner.
Speaker 1:
[15:01] Okay. That brings us to your appointment. Now, some say that Donald Trump makes his appointments based on friendships with people who have been loyal to him. Is that a fair assessment?
Speaker 2:
[15:16] I don't know. I'd have to look at all of his appointments.
Speaker 1:
[15:19] Oh, that's a dodge.
Speaker 2:
[15:20] No, it's not a dodge at all. It's a direct answer to your question. If you want to ask me if he appointed me because of our relationship, I would say to you, he knows me. He knew me as a DA. He knows me as a fighter. He knows me as an individual who believes in law and order, and I believe in him as well.
Speaker 1:
[15:39] You were very supportive of him when you were on Fox.
Speaker 2:
[15:45] I was, because I know the man. I've known the man for almost 36 years. He's been at my home, I've been at his homes. I see him on the street when I was DA in the 90s.
Speaker 1:
[15:55] Would you say you understand Donald Trump?
Speaker 2:
[15:57] Nobody understands Donald Trump. You know who does? Melania. They sell? Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1:
[16:02] Okay. So I don't know if that's a fair assessment about the president appointing people that he feels have been partial to him. I think that's a way to go.
Speaker 2:
[16:16] I don't know if that's fair. I don't know that he knows everyone that he's appointed. I mean, you'd have to prove that he knows everyone. He doesn't necessarily know them.
Speaker 1:
[16:24] Right. But he reviews it. I know that. He's not going to put on anybody from MS He's not going to be working for you anytime soon.
Speaker 2:
[16:33] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[16:33] Okay. Because he was a grudge.
Speaker 2:
[16:36] No, because these are the people who indicted him and indicted him and indicted him again.
Speaker 1:
[16:43] Both you and I know that I'd say 80% of that was just garbage.
Speaker 2:
[16:48] It was garbage. It was made up stuff.
Speaker 1:
[16:50] It was horrible.
Speaker 2:
[16:51] I can tell you, I was a DA in New York just like the DA Alvin Bragg. I was a county judge just like the judge who was there trying the case, Judge Marshawn. Okay. I held both those positions. That trial was so ridiculous. There was no crime. It was beyond the statute of limitations.
Speaker 1:
[17:07] This is the real estate fraud.
Speaker 2:
[17:08] The real estate fraud.
Speaker 1:
[17:09] Which is insane. Yeah. E. Jean Carroll, are you kidding me?
Speaker 2:
[17:13] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[17:14] Bloomingdale's?
Speaker 2:
[17:15] Yeah. Wasn't it Barney's?
Speaker 1:
[17:17] No, it was Bloomingdale's.
Speaker 2:
[17:18] Was it Bloomy's?
Speaker 1:
[17:19] I mean, I'm sitting there going, what? Yeah. Okay. That could never have happened.
Speaker 2:
[17:25] Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[17:27] So when you were on The Five, you were very, I think you were the strongest of the crew out there, saying this is a bunch of crap.
Speaker 2:
[17:38] Because I know the man and I can speak to the man. I can speak to who he is, what he's like, when he parties, late at night, early in the day, seen him with his kids, seen him with his family. I've seen him on the street. I know the man. Okay, and everyone wants to make him something that he's not. And the truth is, Bill, the very fact that he survived everything that they threw at him tells you that this is not an ordinary man. So don't expect ordinary responses from him every day of the week. He's a different kind of guy. He is, I mean, the man has armor around him. I don't know how he does it.
Speaker 1:
[18:14] He's a vampire.
Speaker 2:
[18:16] No, I don't think he's a vampire. I'm going to tell him he said he's not going to take you to dinner, he's not going to take me to dinner.
Speaker 1:
[18:20] Yeah, he never sleeps.
Speaker 2:
[18:22] Oh, he does. He used to call my house.
Speaker 1:
[18:24] I know.
Speaker 2:
[18:24] When my ex works for him, he'd say, where is he? I'm like, hold on.
Speaker 1:
[18:29] It's all night there, we're flying around.
Speaker 2:
[18:31] He's working all night. Yep. Thank God for America.
Speaker 1:
[18:35] So you're sitting there at the five and you're making good money. It's a very successful program. And you get the call.
Speaker 2:
[18:45] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[18:46] How long did it take you to say, I'm going to dump the TV thing and I'm going to go with the public service?
Speaker 2:
[18:53] Didn't take me long at all. Let me explain something to you. Sometimes the most difficult decisions are not all that complicated. Because when he made that phone call to me.
Speaker 1:
[19:07] He did it personally.
Speaker 2:
[19:09] He called me. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[19:10] He called you.
Speaker 2:
[19:12] It was, it went right to my soul. This is who I am. This is how I want to maybe end my career. Who knows? This is a job that I love. This is a job where I go in every day and I can't wait to get there. I mean, I haven't even told you all the stuff we do. I'm the DA here. I'm the federal prosecutor. I do terrorism. I do civil cases. I defend agencies. I prosecute agents. I mean, this is a huge job, huge office that I had to turn around, Bill. It was a neglected office. People were quitting, people were getting fired.
Speaker 1:
[19:50] I don't even know who the DA was under Biden.
Speaker 2:
[19:54] The guy's name was Matthew Graves, United States Attorney.
Speaker 1:
[19:57] I never heard of him.
Speaker 2:
[19:58] He was a United States Attorney. We're not called DAs. We are United States Attorney.
Speaker 1:
[20:02] Okay. I'm sorry, Matthew. Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[20:04] But yeah, I saw his picture. I never knew who he was either.
Speaker 1:
[20:08] I have no idea who he was.
Speaker 2:
[20:09] Yeah. But let me tell you something.
Speaker 1:
[20:11] It took you less than a day to say yes or?
Speaker 2:
[20:15] It was about a day and a half.
Speaker 1:
[20:16] A day and a half.
Speaker 2:
[20:17] Yeah. It was like, I didn't think you have a great life, a great job, you work for a great company. It wasn't that. It was like, you got to do what's in your heart. You just got to go.
Speaker 1:
[20:31] Okay. Did Jesse Waters cry when you made the decision?
Speaker 2:
[20:36] I talked to Jesse a lot. I talked to Jesse and to Anne.
Speaker 1:
[20:39] Through an interpreter or did you just talk to him?
Speaker 2:
[20:42] I do talk to him. I miss Harold. I miss Jessica. I miss Dana.
Speaker 1:
[20:51] That was a good crew, right?
Speaker 2:
[20:52] It was a great crew. We all liked each other. That's why it worked.
Speaker 1:
[20:58] So despite all of the trappings of that, because usually you get it the other way. Usually the public servants want to get on television, make the big money, get the glamour. You go the other way.
Speaker 2:
[21:13] Yeah. Maybe I'm not that smart, Bill. I don't know.
Speaker 1:
[21:15] I don't know. I know how much you're making now, and I know how much you made over there. So maybe you want to discuss your finances with me, but you took a humongous pay cut.
Speaker 2:
[21:27] It's ridiculous. The pay cut I took was ridiculous.
Speaker 1:
[21:30] Right.
Speaker 2:
[21:30] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[21:31] Did it matter?
Speaker 2:
[21:33] It didn't matter. The money didn't matter. It didn't factor. It was as wonderful as that was. The old take the yellow legal pad, do the pros, do the cons.
Speaker 1:
[21:43] Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[21:43] The cons are, you have to move, you have to leave your dogs, you have to do this, you have to do that, you're not going to. One line is who you are.
Speaker 1:
[21:54] Well, you were always that way though.
Speaker 2:
[21:56] What way?
Speaker 1:
[21:57] I've known you what, 25 years? At least. But you were always a woman of passion in the sense that there were certain things you want to accomplish and you did. You did everything.
Speaker 2:
[22:10] I don't know about everything, but I'm happy.
Speaker 1:
[22:12] There isn't anything you haven't done. You built your way up in the legal area, conquered that. Good job. Now, you're in the federal area and you drove the fives ratings up to where they are. So you've done pretty much everything.
Speaker 2:
[22:31] I wrote a few books along the way. I had two kids along the way. And I think the one thing that I kind of, you know, that I miss is, you know, that solitude that you have in your own home. Sure.
Speaker 1:
[22:52] But you still have your home. You didn't sell it.
Speaker 2:
[22:54] Tell me. No, I didn't.
Speaker 1:
[22:55] No, you're going back.
Speaker 2:
[22:56] Not so far.
Speaker 1:
[22:57] Right.
Speaker 2:
[22:59] But I miss home. I'm in an apartment, which sometimes it just feels like a suitcase, you know.
Speaker 1:
[23:05] Well, the way you work, you're not there very much.
Speaker 2:
[23:07] I'm not.
Speaker 1:
[23:08] I'm not.
Speaker 2:
[23:08] And I miss my dogs.
Speaker 1:
[23:10] The dogs. But you don't have to walk on them. See, that's a good part.
Speaker 2:
[23:14] I never did. I let them out. I have property.
Speaker 1:
[23:17] You let them out and they run around?
Speaker 2:
[23:18] I have property. Yeah, it's all-
Speaker 1:
[23:20] And the coyotes don't get them?
Speaker 2:
[23:22] No, no. Coyotes don't dare.
Speaker 1:
[23:24] Do you ever get the irer of the Trump haters?
Speaker 2:
[23:29] Yeah, I don't care. I don't even-
Speaker 1:
[23:31] I know you don't care, but are you subjected to that? Look, this is big difference from New York.
Speaker 2:
[23:38] Yeah, oh, it's different.
Speaker 1:
[23:39] Huge. Now in New York, they don't like, hey, it's O'Reilly.
Speaker 2:
[23:43] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[23:44] Okay. But that's all right.
Speaker 2:
[23:45] And I yell back at them, by the way, when they come at me, I go right back at them.
Speaker 1:
[23:49] But here, it's more in the back.
Speaker 2:
[23:50] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[23:51] Boom. Boom. And there are people who are working for President Trump who have come under that scrutiny, that they're not invited anywhere, they're shunned by people. You experienced that.
Speaker 2:
[24:09] I don't care. I don't need to be invited anywhere, Bill.
Speaker 1:
[24:13] I understand that. But have you experienced it? Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[24:17] I think I was here two weeks, and I was sitting outside. I have the marshals with me, and I'm sitting outside, and some guy comes out with a big placard and says, Pirro is a fascist, and he caught my attention. I said, oh, that's me. So the marshals are like, I said, I want to go talk to this guy. He said, you're not going to talk to him. Yeah. They're a lot of people.
Speaker 1:
[24:36] They saved you from yourself.
Speaker 2:
[24:38] From myself. You know that, Bill.
Speaker 1:
[24:39] The marshals.
Speaker 2:
[24:40] Because I want to fight with them.
Speaker 1:
[24:41] They're over here. When I walked in there, they patted me down. So they're taking good care of you.
Speaker 2:
[24:46] Yeah, they're great guys.
Speaker 1:
[24:47] But I know you're not invested in any of that social stuff.
Speaker 2:
[24:54] No, I'm not.
Speaker 1:
[24:55] I'm not. But there are people who have taken it right on the chin.
Speaker 2:
[25:00] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[25:00] Particularly lawyers.
Speaker 2:
[25:02] Yeah. You're right.
Speaker 1:
[25:03] Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[25:04] That's their livelihood.
Speaker 1:
[25:05] Right.
Speaker 2:
[25:05] Yeah. I already know my livelihood is pretty much down to this compared to what it was.
Speaker 1:
[25:11] Bill O'Reilly is a lot bigger than theirs. But I'm just wondering how blatant that Trump hatred is in the Washington so-called swamp.
Speaker 2:
[25:23] Well, let me throw a statistic at you. 95 percent of the people in the district voted for Kamala Harris. Do I need to say anything else? These are people who sit on the juries. These are people who sit on the grand juries. These are people who do not love Donald Trump. There's no question about it. But what am I going to do? I have a job to do and I'm going to do my job. The only way to do that job is to work with the judges, it's to work with the mayor and the police and people who don't like me to try to find common ground.
Speaker 1:
[25:56] But here's something interesting. Your conviction rate is high despite the juries being left.
Speaker 2:
[26:03] The conviction rate is high. There are a few cases that CNN and some of these other places will say, oh my god, they're losing these cases, they didn't get an indictment in this case. But the truth is that there's only 10 percent of the cases I'm not prosecuting. Now follow me. Matthew Graves, the former US attorney you never heard of, didn't prosecute 65 percent of those cases. Wow. Yeah. So everybody knows that I am taking on, I'm taking on all comers. You go after a victim in the district, you go after anybody and I'm coming for you. If the jury says guilty, wonderful. They say not guilty, I'll take it. It's fine. Now they know there's going to be accountability. There's going to be arrests.
Speaker 1:
[26:53] But it looks to me like you're making some inroads in persuading these jurors.
Speaker 2:
[26:58] Yeah, I think there is. I think they recognize that what we're trying to do is make it better. And you have to lie to yourself, Bill, to say things are worse under Donald Trump.
Speaker 1:
[27:08] Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 2:
[27:09] They have to admit it, unconsciously, in DC.
Speaker 1:
[27:13] Right, in DC.
Speaker 2:
[27:14] In this district. It's totally different.
Speaker 1:
[27:17] Now, the media. So you're a part of the pro-Trump media. I mean, let's be honest about it. But most of it's anti-Trump. Okay. Are you going to the Cardiff Bonn Institution?
Speaker 2:
[27:30] Yes, I am.
Speaker 1:
[27:31] So I'll be there, too.
Speaker 2:
[27:32] I'll see you there.
Speaker 1:
[27:33] But I'm being there as a reporter.
Speaker 2:
[27:36] Really?
Speaker 1:
[27:37] Not as a guest.
Speaker 2:
[27:38] Okay.
Speaker 1:
[27:38] Okay. Because if anybody does something untoward, I'm going to confront them.
Speaker 2:
[27:44] Good.
Speaker 1:
[27:45] I don't want you prosecute me, by the way.
Speaker 2:
[27:47] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[27:48] Okay.
Speaker 2:
[27:48] All right.
Speaker 1:
[27:50] I just go up to the line. I don't want Pirro on my case, so there's just a line. But that's why I'm going.
Speaker 2:
[27:57] Interesting.
Speaker 1:
[27:58] Because I don't want the office of the presidency attacked at a stupid dinner.
Speaker 2:
[28:04] I appreciate that.
Speaker 1:
[28:05] Which could absolutely happen.
Speaker 2:
[28:08] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[28:08] Okay. Dan Rather and Donaldson put out this dopey letter and forcefully confront the president. What does that mean?
Speaker 2:
[28:19] These people are unhinged.
Speaker 1:
[28:21] I think so.
Speaker 2:
[28:22] I think there's no respect for the office. I mean, the way we treated President Obama was we disagreed with him, but we didn't create chaos. They disagree with us and they create chaos, violence, and all kinds of problems, you know?
Speaker 1:
[28:39] And you see that?
Speaker 2:
[28:40] I do see that. I absolutely do see it.
Speaker 1:
[28:42] Okay. Does it affect your job in any way?
Speaker 2:
[28:50] No. No. And my job, though, Bill, is to turn that office around from a neglected office, the kind of...
Speaker 1:
[28:58] You already did it.
Speaker 2:
[29:00] No, but I mean, getting these prosecutors to go in there is a tip of the spear. We're here representing the victims. We're not here representing any politics. We're here representing the victims and going after the criminals. There's no... I don't want people like, oh, they don't like us and this or that. I don't care. Get that out of your mind. Put your blinders on. This is who we are. I support you in everything that you're doing. I think there was a little hesitation at the beginning.
Speaker 1:
[29:32] Right. I did a recent report in San Francisco on how that city has devolved into the unbelievable chaos because laws weren't enforced.
Speaker 2:
[29:46] Interesting.
Speaker 1:
[29:46] Okay? We did that on News Nation and it was a big hit. What I learned from that was that there are prosecutors who don't care about the law.
Speaker 2:
[30:01] They care about advancing their careers with their followers and their ideologues.
Speaker 1:
[30:07] Right.
Speaker 2:
[30:08] Yes.
Speaker 1:
[30:08] So the guy that gets beat up, on his nose broken and teeth knocked out.
Speaker 2:
[30:14] Pays the price.
Speaker 1:
[30:16] They don't care about him. So you've been able to banish that, do you think?
Speaker 2:
[30:22] I think so. I think to a great extent, Bill, I've been able to do that. I think that, you know, this whole idea that anyone is there or anyone is impacted because of politics, I just stripped them of that completely. And when we go into court, we go in on the facts and the law. And sometimes we get pushed back from judges. And our job is to push back the judges. I think before me, they didn't push back so much. Before me, it was like, no, no, no. The judge doesn't run this office. The judge doesn't tell us, and I was a judge. The judge doesn't tell us what to do. We decide what we're going to do. We decide whether there's going to be a plea. We decide what we think the sentence should be. And that's how far we go with this case. Nobody is going to control us.
Speaker 1:
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Speaker 2:
[32:27] Yes. I had a tough time. I was short 90 prosecutors and 60 legal assistants. 90.
Speaker 1:
[32:35] How many is total in your office?
Speaker 2:
[32:37] 400 something, 430, something like that.
Speaker 1:
[32:40] That's a big group.
Speaker 2:
[32:42] I keep telling you it's a big office. And 90 prosecutors, 60 legal assistants. I was short 150 people. All right. And then what happened was they started firing people. And then people started leaving because they thought they were going to get fired. And my message to them was, you be a good prosecutor, you get in there and fight the fight, and I don't care who you are. You do the job. And so the ship is calm. We've turned it around. I'm still short prosecutors because historically this office is one where people move in and out of very quickly. But at the same time, we've got some really good people in my front office. I brought one of my assistant DAs who worked for me years ago. He was one of my best investigators, Steve Vander Veldin, a guy from Congress, brilliant guy, Carlton Davis. And my pals of my principal AUSA is someone who worked in the office for 13 years. I brought in a guy from NASA, NASA, N-A-S-A, who's my executive AUSA. I have a great team and I am very hands on, Bill. You can't get away with anything in the office. Don't bullshit me.
Speaker 1:
[33:57] Well, you tried that at Fox with me and it didn't work. This US attorney, Lindsay Halligan, got screwed. Were you involved with that at all?
Speaker 2:
[34:08] I think that there were some information that she needed from our office that we were able to provide her. But all of that information from the office was from, I think, 2017, 2019, but we were not asked to work on the case.
Speaker 1:
[34:25] Right.
Speaker 2:
[34:27] I think she probably could have used more help.
Speaker 1:
[34:30] Well, I mean, look, Comey, the former FBI director, guilty of sin. I'm sorry. I'm a due process guy, but the guy did it. I mean, he misled Congress. He had his friend put stuff out to the New York Times. He denied he didn't do it. This Ms. Halligan was right in the middle of this, the press, of course, all along Comey's side. I'm going, what this? It didn't look like she had much help.
Speaker 2:
[35:03] I don't know that she did. We gave her the help that we could based upon what she needed, but that help should have come from Maine justice.
Speaker 1:
[35:12] Should have come from the attorney general?
Speaker 2:
[35:14] Yes.
Speaker 1:
[35:16] Okay. How often do you talk to the president?
Speaker 2:
[35:21] I talk to him when I talk to him, which means I'm not going to answer your question.
Speaker 1:
[35:28] Why?
Speaker 2:
[35:28] Because the press asks me that question all the time. I don't answer them.
Speaker 1:
[35:31] Well, but what's the downside?
Speaker 2:
[35:34] No, I speak to him frequently.
Speaker 1:
[35:36] Frequently.
Speaker 2:
[35:37] Don't ask me to define it.
Speaker 1:
[35:39] Well, he calls you whenever he wants to call you.
Speaker 2:
[35:42] Yeah, he is the president.
Speaker 1:
[35:45] Okay.
Speaker 2:
[35:45] How often does he call you?
Speaker 1:
[35:46] He calls me occasionally.
Speaker 2:
[35:48] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[35:48] Mostly he yell at me. Okay. You know how it is.
Speaker 2:
[35:52] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[35:53] But he's the president. I actually have to keep my phone on all night.
Speaker 2:
[35:58] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[35:59] Because I want to help. I'll tell him, you know me. If he asks me, I'm going to tell him what I think.
Speaker 2:
[36:10] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[36:10] A lot of times I don't want to hear that. You're like me that way. If I ask you, you're going to tell me what you think. You like that with him?
Speaker 2:
[36:20] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[36:21] No deference?
Speaker 2:
[36:23] Now that I work for him, there's like, Mr. President, Mr. President. I say, Donald, no. No, you got to call him Mr. President. Yeah, of course, there's deference. He is the president and I am one of his appointees. I have tremendous respect for him. And I am honored when he calls me.
Speaker 1:
[36:43] Does he ask you questions that go beyond your job? Policy questions, things like that?
Speaker 2:
[36:49] I'm not going to talk about what I talk about with him.
Speaker 1:
[36:51] But I'm not asking you specifically.
Speaker 2:
[36:53] Yeah, yeah, that's specific enough.
Speaker 1:
[36:54] That's specific enough.
Speaker 2:
[36:55] That's it. That's as far as I'm going.
Speaker 1:
[36:58] You believe that he trusts... Well, that's a stupid question. Of course he does. We wouldn't bother calling you. So I'm not getting anything here? You're stonewalling me here?
Speaker 2:
[37:08] No, you're not getting anything.
Speaker 1:
[37:09] Now, if this was a factor, I'd have to...
Speaker 2:
[37:11] Yeah, you'd have to beat me up.
Speaker 1:
[37:12] But I'm being extra nice.
Speaker 2:
[37:13] Yeah, yeah, I'm very grateful for you being extra nice here.
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Speaker 2:
[39:18] But, you know, one of the things that I think is important for me to say in light of everything that we've talked about is that the new attorney general, the acting attorney general, a Todd Blanch. I think he's doing a great job.
Speaker 1:
[39:32] Tough guy.
Speaker 2:
[39:33] A tough guy, experienced guy, very aggressive, knows the president. I think it's going to be a great run for him.
Speaker 1:
[39:41] He's got a lot to sort out.
Speaker 2:
[39:45] He has a lot of people who believe in him.
Speaker 1:
[39:47] Yeah, but that whole attorney general situation now, because you know if the midterms go against President Trump, you know what the hell is going to happen here, or hell is going to break loose. Ready for that?
Speaker 2:
[40:08] Am I ready? Sure. I'm one of the good news stories. You just said it yourself.
Speaker 1:
[40:12] All right. You're ready for nutty, loony, I hate Trumpers trying to denigrate him using the legal system.
Speaker 2:
[40:24] Absolutely. Yeah. It's nothing new to him.
Speaker 1:
[40:26] You anticipated it? I mean, you guys thought about it?
Speaker 2:
[40:29] Absolutely, you think about it. I mean, I've been around a long time, Bill. I understand how they play. We all understand how they play, what they're going to do, what they will do to get power back. You saw how they got power the last time. I mean, everything from the Russia hoax, and the liars, leakers, liberals.
Speaker 1:
[40:48] It would be foolish for them to impeach him. You think so? I do. The nation has had enough of that. Independent voters, they're not going to go for that. But there are other ways to do it. How? They can trump up, pardon the pun, anything they want. And make it almost impossible for him to govern, unless the system, the legal system steps in and says, boo, this is garbage. And we're not going to entertain this. And you're still going to have the power to do that, even if the Democrats win. But I think that the Attorney General yourself is going to be the bulwark there. You guys are going to be the first one in defense when the Trump haters, if they get control of Congress.
Speaker 2:
[41:43] Well, they're coming at us. There's no question.
Speaker 1:
[41:46] Right. How would you describe to somebody who lived in Poland what the atmosphere politically is in Washington, DC.? How would you describe that as somebody who has no idea?
Speaker 2:
[42:01] Well, first of all, Washington, DC is filled with politicians. And I think that politicians themselves are just less than credible to begin with, most of them. Okay. What I've seen since I've been here is that there's a lot of lobbyists and a lot of parties and a lot of this and that. I mean, there are very few of them who are so committed to getting the job done as opposed to just fighting with each other. All right. That is the game. It's to make them look bad. And we're not even a part of it. Forget not even pawns. We're not even part of the thing. And then when you go outside of Congress, then you've got just the haters, the people who believe that they know more than everyone else who may be experienced in the law. And that, you know, we're all corrupt and that, you know, Trump and the prosecutors and the court system, you know, we're just trying to put people in jail and that we're not protecting anybody. And, you know, if a cop gets assaulted, too bad. He probably deserved it. Or in one case, we had a police officer who was brought in. I think it was an FBI agent. He was brought in and he was African American. And the jurors sat in the deliberation room to say, come and tell us. Well, they only brought him in just to make sure that you realize that we had someone black working on the case. I mean, it's just, it's like there's so much animosity. They're looking for so much collision and fighting in this district. It's like you're on a side or you're on the other side.
Speaker 1:
[43:38] They want conflict all the time.
Speaker 2:
[43:40] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[43:41] Because that gives them a reason not to move ahead on what their original job is.
Speaker 2:
[43:47] Or it gives them a reason to vent against someone. I don't know, maybe they're frustrated. They just need to fight with people.
Speaker 1:
[43:57] Well, with Trump, everything's pretty sure. Everything.