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Speaker 1:
[00:00] Hi.

Speaker 2:
[00:01] Hello. Hello.

Speaker 3:
[00:02] Are we ready?

Speaker 2:
[00:04] We are ready. We are sitting, we're live and recording.

Speaker 3:
[00:09] Okay, I'm really excited to listen.

Speaker 2:
[00:11] So here's what I'm thinking.

Speaker 3:
[00:14] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[00:15] I'm thinking that we start off, and I give the update on how you and the baby are doing, the birth, because I feel like that's, you know, the most common question. It's just like, how is the birth? How are Alex and Rocky? And then I think what we should do is, Jules, do you have access to my Instagram?

Speaker 1:
[00:35] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[00:36] Okay, so I think that you should go through my Instagram and fire off questions to me.

Speaker 1:
[00:43] Okay, perfect.

Speaker 3:
[00:44] Should you're saying?

Speaker 2:
[00:45] Jules should. And my assumption is like, if you think it's a good question, then I'll just answer it. And if there, for whatever reason, is anything I don't answer, I'll just say skip or pass.

Speaker 1:
[00:54] Perfect.

Speaker 3:
[00:55] Love it. I'm excited to listen to you answer these. Rocky and I are both listening.

Speaker 1:
[01:00] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[01:03] What did Jules just say?

Speaker 1:
[01:05] Well, Alex was talking and you weren't holding it up to the mic.

Speaker 2:
[01:09] Okay. Yeah. I also hilariously realized I'm not wearing my wedding ring again.

Speaker 3:
[01:17] Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[01:22] Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. Okay.

Speaker 1:
[01:26] You have a grace period.

Speaker 2:
[01:27] I have a grace period.

Speaker 1:
[01:28] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[01:29] All right. Jules, what am I supposed to say to get this thing going?

Speaker 1:
[01:31] I can't say it.

Speaker 2:
[01:32] Alex?

Speaker 3:
[01:32] Stop it. You want me to help you?

Speaker 1:
[01:35] Please do.

Speaker 3:
[01:37] Welcome back to another episode of Two Parents and A Podcast.

Speaker 2:
[01:41] Featuring Harrison and Rocky. Okay. So I guess we can just-

Speaker 3:
[01:51] Here's my question. Here's my question. Are you reading the questions or is Jules reading them to you?

Speaker 2:
[01:55] I think Jules got to read the questions because I also don't have an iPad in front of me. I think it's better if Jules reads them.

Speaker 1:
[02:00] Okay, perfect. But remember to repeat back the question a little bit.

Speaker 2:
[02:04] Okay, cool.

Speaker 1:
[02:05] For the sake of social media.

Speaker 2:
[02:06] All right, let's do it.

Speaker 1:
[02:08] Okay, so I think first question is just like, how are you guys feeling?

Speaker 3:
[02:13] Like, how are we feeling just in general? Yeah. How are we feeling?

Speaker 1:
[02:16] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[02:19] I would say, like, we are so excited because when I'm pregnant, like things in our life are not as fun. Like I don't have as much energy. So Harrison's like taking on a lot more, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right? Fast forward to when we had this baby, starting with a good birth. We were so excited in the hospital room, even though we had to be there for, and Harrison will get into how many days, we just would go on walks together. Well, I was in the wheelchair, but we would go outside together and we would talk about how we're excited to get home to get this journey started. So I would say we're just like over the moon. And I'll say this to you, Harrison, I'm having a lot of fun figuring this phase out with you because there's no playbook on how to bring home two kids. There's no playbook on, you've got the nighttime shift now and then in the morning you've got bubs waking up, we've got bubs going to bed, we're trying to feed bubs, we're trying to do milk. There's a lot that's going on and Harrison and I think we're having a lot of fun figuring out what that looks like for our family. And on the way home from the hospital, we were just like, we kept, I think our whole conversation was, there's four of us now. We have a family of four. It's just really surreal and it's really fun and it's really sweet.

Speaker 2:
[03:33] Yeah, just totally overcome with joy. So happy, so excited. I have loved the first chapter of family building with you. And now just like so excited to start the second chapter of family building with you.

Speaker 3:
[03:54] I also feel like we're in two really fun phases. Like I love right now Tate can she can say shoes, and she books a lot to read. And like that's a really fun phase. And now also, this little boy, like, it's so funny. I forgot what this phase was like. And so during the day, you know, when Tate goes with Maria, we're in our little newborn bubble. And then in the mornings and the nights, we're in our family of four bubble. And it's just a really sweet time. And I think about a lot Harrison, you said that guy, somebody asked him, what are you jealous of? And he said, I'm jealous of people who are in the phase of having kids right now. And I really understand that answer because this to me is like, this is what life's about. So it's really special.

Speaker 1:
[04:39] Totally.

Speaker 2:
[04:39] So he was born on the 18th, Alex was induced. We went in at seven o'clock. The, oh my goodness, I'm blanking on the name.

Speaker 1:
[04:54] The Drip.

Speaker 2:
[04:55] The Pitocin started at nine a.m. Plus minus. And he was born at five thirty. The epidural did work. It was a massive conversation point in there. Like everyone was, it was very clear to everyone the first one didn't work. And there was a tremendous level of care that, that was put into the, the epidural. I asked Alex, like, it's very hard for me to comment on, like, what the birth was like for her, right? And so I basically asked her to summarize and said, right, how was experience one in terms of pain? And how was birth two? And she said birth one was a nine out of ten in terms of pain and experience. And birth two was a two out of ten. And so the way she has described it to me is it was a night. It was a very different experience, a night and day experience. And from a spectator's perspective, that is how it appeared to be the case. So what else would be interesting for me to talk about on that front?

Speaker 3:
[06:20] Am I allowed to talk?

Speaker 1:
[06:21] Yeah, I can hear you.

Speaker 3:
[06:24] So can I say a couple of things, H?

Speaker 2:
[06:27] I mean, of course.

Speaker 3:
[06:31] So I think that the first thing is the way that, so the guy did the epidural and I thought our nurse did something very interesting, which was she had me move, she reclined me down, remember? Because she said that's how you get it to evenly distribute around your body. Sometimes epidurals just work on one side. So she said, let's recline you down, and then I moved my legs back and forth like a windshield wiper. I don't know if that did anything, but to me, I thought that would also help with even distribution. So the epidural, because I'm now, I guess, technically had three epidurals. The first one didn't work. The second one worked on half of my body. And this third one was, it was like the epidural bliss that everybody talks about. And like I truly just felt nothing, except for right at the beginning when my, I think my blood pressure kind of had to adjust to the epidural. So I did throw up like everything in my system and I got really hot, my blood pressure dropped. But our nurse, she was just, she knew that that could happen. So she already had this medicine ready, gave it to me immediately, and that just stabilized everything. So for like 20 minutes, it was uncomfortable and I just needed her to get it under control and she did. And from there, like I never believed people could have like a painless birth. And I would say like, it was almost like pushing was, of course, hard and like you're pushing with everything in your body. But I would say it was like relatively lovely. Like it was a lovely experience past that.

Speaker 2:
[08:09] I feel like that was all the information anyone actually wanted to hear. So once again, saved by Alex.

Speaker 3:
[08:15] I think you should talk about the nurse. I think that was something that I had written down. It was like, you know, how awesome our nurse was, Courtney.

Speaker 2:
[08:23] Yeah, our nurse was incredible. She really paid attention to what happened last time and how to get ahead of it. There was like after the Pitocin hit, when you went into the state of nausea, which like hit hard for call it five minutes plus minus, I it felt like we were going right back down the path of birth one with blood pressure dropping. And then it it turned right over. And so that was obviously amazing to see. And you know, better for couldn't have been better for anyone else more than you.

Speaker 1:
[09:02] Did they like when you get in there, like ask you how the birth of baby one went?

Speaker 2:
[09:06] Like how did we and Alex was very good at this of like giving them all the information, because I feel like if you wait for them to ask, certain details can be missed. And so she gave a really good holistic rundown of like what went down last time, what went right, what went wrong.

Speaker 1:
[09:30] Did you write it down before?

Speaker 2:
[09:32] No.

Speaker 1:
[09:34] I wouldn't think that you guys did.

Speaker 2:
[09:35] Would have been helpful. Most people would have, not her and I.

Speaker 1:
[09:39] Love it.

Speaker 2:
[09:41] Okay. Anything else on the birth?

Speaker 3:
[09:46] I'm trying to think. Oh, well, I pushed, I pushed for 10 minutes. We were at a seven and we were watching the show Marshalls, which is like the new Yellowstone kind of spin off that everyone's, that's really good. And it was so funny because the first birth, Harrison and I took like all the electronics to hook up to the TV to like watch movies on the TV in the hospital room. We didn't watch anything. We didn't even open our laptops. Like we had no time to do anything. So this time we were like, we don't need anything. Like we'll just use our phones if we want to watch a show, but we probably won't even want to watch a show. When I tell you we were bored, like we, the second birth, like we were so bored. So we started watching Marshall's on his laptop, which was good. And like it distracted us. But I remember I was at a seven, I was dilated to a seven and we started in an episode and we only made it halfway through. And I was fully at a 10, I was like plus one, I guess there's such thing as like more than a 10. And then she said, I was fully effaced. And so she was like, don't laugh because like, we need to call your doctor because she needs to come over right now because like you're about to have this baby. And then, and so that was like, I went from a seven to a 10 in what, 25 minutes. And then my doctor ran over and I pushed for probably 10 minutes and then boom, baby was in the arms.

Speaker 2:
[11:08] So the, to build off of that, the, I think that you started throwing up. I think you threw up from like a three to a 10 last time. Directionally. And so it was a massive surprise. When I think it was a massive surprise when that just didn't happen.

Speaker 3:
[11:36] Sorry, I was on mute. A lovely, a lovely massive surprise, correct.

Speaker 2:
[11:39] And so yeah, like there was a lot, like a lot of downtime and sitting and waiting, which I just, last time there was no sitting and waiting. It was throwing up and it was crying and screaming the whole time.

Speaker 1:
[11:53] I was over here getting coffee and I ran into, we were both wearing blue, ironically, this was on Saturday. And she said, today's the day. And I said, I think they're bored. You were texting me podcast topics and no, they are bored. Harrison's texting me this, this and that. And we just had a little laugh together.

Speaker 2:
[12:14] Well, like last time, like Alex wasn't on her phone. So like I was all communication. So like I had like group chats with different family and friends and so on and so forth. And this time, like I had the group chats all set up, but she was like texting. It was like, do what? Like there was how long do you think you were out of it for?

Speaker 3:
[12:34] Like 30 minutes, that was it.

Speaker 2:
[12:38] And last time, how long do you think you were out of it?

Speaker 3:
[12:41] The entire 36 hours.

Speaker 2:
[12:43] Like it's unbelievable.

Speaker 3:
[12:44] This time, this time I was out of it for 30 minutes, but I was really nervous. Like I went in and I was like, I'm scared to death of this because I just know, you know, it can go south. And so when it started, when I did have the nausea, epidural nausea and the shakes hit me, I was like, oh my God, I'm going to be like this for 20 hours. And like, I'm just about to get wrecked again. And so whenever it went away and I felt so good, I just kept thinking like, this is too good to be true. It's probably going to leave again, but it never did. And so, yeah, I just was like on my phone, I was texting, I was watching shows. Like I really, I had a nice time.

Speaker 2:
[13:21] One funny piece of it is our doctor for the whole time for the second pregnancy was talking to Alex about like, don't worry, it's going to be nothing like the first one, it's going to be so fast. And I was just like, always sitting in that corner being like, man, like, you're really setting expectations a certain way. And she was, she was, she was right.

Speaker 3:
[13:44] Oh, on her, where I have to give her such kudos is she called our nurse when I was at a four or five and came and broke my water. And I think that really helped to move things along.

Speaker 2:
[13:57] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[13:58] So my water didn't break naturally, just because I know people are going to ask that. So she came and she broke it.

Speaker 4:
[14:02] She broke it the first time too.

Speaker 2:
[14:03] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[14:05] And the first time I knew the epidural wasn't working because I could feel the catheter go in. And like this time I cannot explain to you, I felt nothing and it was, it was amazing.

Speaker 1:
[14:15] I need to do a programming note or a production note.

Speaker 2:
[14:19] Okay. What is it?

Speaker 1:
[14:20] I think I need the phone because all Harrison's doing is breathing into the microphone while Alex is talking into the phone.

Speaker 2:
[14:28] Is that going to be a problem?

Speaker 1:
[14:29] It's not going to be a problem, but I would like to make it not be a problem for the next 15 minutes.

Speaker 2:
[14:34] Okay. My instinct is that, yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1:
[14:38] Of course.

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Speaker 2:
[17:06] I feel like it's very appropriate that Alex isn't here and Jules still takes my phone. Someone here to do this job.

Speaker 3:
[17:11] I completely agree. Out of solidarity, thank you.

Speaker 1:
[17:13] Of course. Yeah, I just think the breathing is a little bit too much, and I know that that's a common note of the listeners, but I'm so excited to hear this.

Speaker 2:
[17:22] I can't do it. Always peeking out. You were telling me not to, like my nose is clogged. I wish I wasn't doing it.

Speaker 1:
[17:30] Well, here we are. Anything else you want to say on that part, or do you want to get into some questions?

Speaker 2:
[17:40] I feel like Alex really captured all of it. Yeah, that was probably a lot more informative than if she was not here.

Speaker 1:
[17:55] Alex, anything from you?

Speaker 3:
[17:57] No, I think that's good. I'm trying not to talk too much, because I really want to listen to Harrison, but I did think that maybe that was one area where I'll chime in, but now I'm going to mute.

Speaker 1:
[18:03] Okay, perfect.

Speaker 2:
[18:04] I do feel like the other area maybe to potentially chime in would be how you're doing.

Speaker 1:
[18:11] How are you doing?

Speaker 3:
[18:12] Oh, yeah, I will. Okay, so we're going to do that now?

Speaker 2:
[18:15] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[18:16] I'm doing so much better this time than I was the first time. So Harrison can explain that we spent four nights in the hospital or three?

Speaker 2:
[18:24] Yeah, why don't I give that rundown? Or you just go, sorry.

Speaker 3:
[18:31] Well, no, I want you to give the rundown on how many nights we spent in the hospital, why we did, how it was X, Y, Z. But I'll answer how I'm doing. So that was both hard on me and lovely on me at the same time, because I love seeing natural light. And like the second I have a baby, I like when you when you feel the hormones rush out of you and you get the shakes for about, honestly, it could be two hours after the baby comes out. You really like your your jaws trembling, you're uncontrollably shaking, and it's the hormones leaving one, leaving your body to readjusting in your body. And whenever that happens to me, I love it because my body doesn't like being pregnant, far prefers being not pregnant. And so I start, I know this is crazy, but I'm sure maybe somebody, I'm sure a lot of people maybe identify with this, but like I instantly feel better. And so then I'm like, okay, I get to go home, I get to like, we get to see bubs, we get to get back to normal lives, like we've got our house set up, we're ready for this baby. And then, you know, you learn, you're staying in the hospital. But the hospital for us, it was fun. Like we had visitors, we watched shows. Um, you know, I really got my milk supply started to establish. And the other good news was, if I was at home, I think I would have walked around a lot, whereas I actually stayed in bed, which is really good because I didn't tear as much as last time, but I still still tore. So I have some stitches. And so like staying in bed was really, really good for me. And it was like it was honestly looking back on it really sweet to just have me, Harrison and Rocky for a little bit and get that newborn time. So that's my first take. How I'm feeling is probably like of three out of 10 on the pain scale in terms of like physical pain. And mentally, I feel really, really good. I just get a little, overwhelm is not the right word, but like I'm trying to, it happened to me with Tate too, like you have a second kid, so now you're a family of four and your routine totally changes. And I want to get up and run around and like participate on all of this, but you're still supposed to stay in bed. And so it's just, I'm adjusting to the new normal, but mentally I feel great. And I didn't feel so great after Tate. I had a little bit of, of depression. And I definitely have some anxiety. Like I can tell some of this stuff. Like last night, I just was like, I made Harrison vacuum last night at like 11 PM. And he was like, I was so happy to do that for you, because I knew it would just make you feel better. And it was just the weirdest. Like, I was like, we have to, of course we have to have our floors clean in our room. And like what? That's very unlike me. So I do have these just like little anxious things happening that I can tell are very postpartum and very like my hormones regulating. And so like I almost came today, but I was like, no, I need to stay home. I need to pump. I need to feed him. I need to stay in bed. Like I'm very happy in my new born bubble. And it's very blissful the second time because the first time there's, you don't know what to expect. Like understanding how to do the pumping in the milk and understanding what to expect with these nighttime wakeups makes it more easy to enjoy it. Like I'm enjoying waking up throughout the night right now. And so it's very blissful. It's very fun. And the unknown part of it this time is navigating two kids and not one. And that's been really fun too. So I would say overall, I feel really good, but I'm definitely like having the normal postpartum, like stay in bed, little like anxious things happening, but we just kind of laugh at them because we at least know this time around what it is. So that's the story on how I feel. Sorry, that was long winded.

Speaker 2:
[22:22] You're doing so well. Like you're an absolute champ. You're a champ for the first pregnancy and birth and postpartum. You're a champ for the second pregnancy birth and postpartum and I'm so proud of you. You are rocking it. I want you to hear that every day, even if you don't want to hear it. And I would add, you mentioned that you're feeling pain-wise 3 out of 10. I didn't think that Alex is going to come today. So I asked her a couple of questions beforehand, and she mentioned that the pain last time was also a 9 out of 10. And so it is very nice to see you also having a smoother pain recovery, physical pain recovery. And yeah.

Speaker 3:
[23:17] Well, they just say like you tear, even my doctor told me, you're not going to tear that much this time. And I thought that meant I was going to be like walking around the house. It's not that yet. Like I have a little less than a 1 degree last time I had a 3rd degree. And I was like, oh, I will be jogging in a week, obviously. It's still not that. Okay, definitely sitting in bed is my most comfiest. But that's like I told Harrison like that's what I need to do for a week. And then the second week I need to just slightly walk around the house slightly. Like I really do just take it slow and that's hard. But it's part of the process.

Speaker 2:
[23:53] Yeah, I'm really proud of you for listening to listening to your body and and taking in all the information and setting your own schedule.

Speaker 3:
[24:00] Thank you.

Speaker 2:
[24:01] And whatever you need. I'm here.

Speaker 3:
[24:03] Now talk about talk about what happened with the master.

Speaker 2:
[24:05] Should we rip some Q&A?

Speaker 3:
[24:07] Yeah. Yeah. You got to answer why we were in the hospital.

Speaker 2:
[24:10] Yeah. So so he came out around 530 on the 18th, and then we didn't get home until Tuesday. And if you were to ask what are one of the biggest differences in terms of like the post experience mindset in the hospital? I remember after we had Tate, like we wanted to stay in the hospital, like we were hoping we could stay an extra night. Like we were so scared, we didn't know how to change a diaper. And like Saturday night, Alex turned to me and she was like, I like I would like to go home now. And so like because you understand how to do things and you have a program. And so we were really just like watching the clock in terms of when we could get, get released. His, he's very healthy baby. They, the thing that kept us is, is jaundice levels were, were testing high. And so they wanted to make sure that they, that they got them under control, which, which they did.

Speaker 3:
[25:14] And I just want to remind you, H. Bimbrie's Coombs Positive.

Speaker 2:
[25:18] Yeah. And so what that essentially means is that he has a different blood type than Alex. And so when the, their blood, when her blood gets in his system, that can create some added complications around things like, like jaundice to my, to my understanding.

Speaker 1:
[25:39] Oh, I've never heard of that before.

Speaker 3:
[25:41] So we have two, so it's crazy. My friend Jade said to me like, it's crazy. You can create a human with a different type of blood. And it's like, you, you can, and that is crazy. So what happened was even if you have different types of blood, it doesn't always mean my blood gets in the baby. But if their coombe is positive, it means that my blood did get in him a little. And so his body, which can, that can equal jaundice. So what he has to do is his body has to get rid of it. And he does that with bowel movements, peeing. And what he had to do was he went on like the light, like it looked like a little tanning bed. He had to do like a little light therapy and he wore these little goggles. It was so cute. He was like wrapped up in like a little tanning bed with a blanket around him. And so they just had to make sure his body sheds the stuff that's not wanted, which is my blood. And so he did it. We're really proud of him and he's home now and he's all good. But that's why we were there later.

Speaker 2:
[26:31] And if you see a photo of him in under the light, it like looks very, very scary. But in real life, it doesn't it doesn't give that that vibe or or impression at all.

Speaker 3:
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Speaker 2:
[28:11] But over your whole body. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[28:13] Right.

Speaker 1:
[28:14] And you're saying just the machine itself looked scary?

Speaker 2:
[28:16] Him in the machine looked scary. Like when I sent the photo to our people, the initial feedback was like, whoa, is everything OK? And the vibe and the calming and the education from the doctors, it was all collectively very calm throughout. Like they didn't, there was no concern. There was no elevated concern throughout.

Speaker 3:
[28:42] I just sent it to you, Jules, to see.

Speaker 1:
[28:44] Thank you.

Speaker 3:
[28:47] These little glasses.

Speaker 1:
[28:48] Oh, the glasses are good.

Speaker 2:
[28:50] I saved the glasses. I saved the glasses. I saved the glasses.

Speaker 3:
[28:53] Canning goggles.

Speaker 1:
[28:54] That is so funny.

Speaker 2:
[28:55] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[28:56] Do you want to get into some of the listener questions?

Speaker 2:
[28:58] I'd love to.

Speaker 1:
[29:00] What kind of vibe do you want to start with?

Speaker 2:
[29:02] Like truly anything, like whatever you saw. There were so many that came in.

Speaker 1:
[29:11] A ton around the name, so we can start with the name. What's his full name?

Speaker 2:
[29:15] Rocky Harold Fugman. Alex told the story of Rocky. It came up at a lunch with a friend, loved it. Harold is a family name and Fugman is my last name.

Speaker 1:
[29:26] Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 3:
[29:27] Fugman is our last name.

Speaker 1:
[29:28] Oh. I need to know how your friend guessed Rocky.

Speaker 2:
[29:37] How Chad did? Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[29:38] How did he guess that? It was nowhere on my radar.

Speaker 2:
[29:42] He is just like, it speaks a lot about him as a person. He's very attentive and very caring and has a very good read on people.

Speaker 1:
[30:00] That does not explain that he could pull that name out of a hat and guess.

Speaker 3:
[30:04] Do you want to know what I think it is, Jules? He and Harrison were quick friends and they'll go do something sometimes and they'll just sit there and talk for four or five hours. There's just some people that you're just like, I just have always gotten along with them. It's so fitting for Chad to just get Harrison's son's name right. I don't know if that makes sense, but it's just like he would.

Speaker 1:
[30:27] I just need you to ask him, how did he arrive there?

Speaker 2:
[30:31] Yeah, I will. We're going to have a cigar and a beer together.

Speaker 1:
[30:34] Okay, perfect.

Speaker 2:
[30:36] I haven't drank and Alex hasn't drank since the birth, which I think is kind of-

Speaker 3:
[30:42] He's like, do you want to have a celebratory glass of champagne? I'm like, no, I'm so happy.

Speaker 2:
[30:48] Yes, we haven't drank yet.

Speaker 1:
[30:50] Neither have I.

Speaker 2:
[30:52] Look at that, all three of us. All five of us.

Speaker 1:
[30:55] And then what other names were you guys thinking that you didn't pick? Because people want some more inspo that's a la Rocky.

Speaker 2:
[31:04] We never had something that was enough, if that makes sense. There were names that we would get excited about that consistently came up, like Fits, like West, like what else am I missing, Alex?

Speaker 3:
[31:20] Miller, I think Miller was kind of, because you want one that's got some spunk, but is still classic, but it's not so like, I get like all a Rocky, but for me, I agree, Angelic, we didn't have one that had it, but Miller for me was kind of close.

Speaker 2:
[31:34] We tried to convince ourselves on all these and none of them got over. There was a dark horse, and the dark horse that came out of left field, and it may have come at the hospital, was we have a friend whose last name is Cruz, and she just threw Cruz in the chat as people were guessing. And I looked at Alex and I was like, I would do Cruz, like I'm game with Cruz, and she held the gun on Rocky. So that came out of left field. Had Cruz come up before Rocky, I think it would have been Cruz.

Speaker 3:
[32:11] I actually, I'm so glad you said that. I forgot, Cruz was another one we really, really liked. You're right.

Speaker 2:
[32:17] But it didn't come up till we were in the hospital. And at that point, we'd loved Rocky. Tate, we've been talking to Tate about Rocky for a good chunk of time. She knew Rocky. It felt like Rocky was part of our family. Yes.

Speaker 3:
[32:33] I love his name. I really love his name.

Speaker 2:
[32:35] Beforehand.

Speaker 3:
[32:36] I think it feels good to be like, when people use it in a sentence and things, it feels good to be like, okay, good, I'm glad we picked that.

Speaker 2:
[32:41] Yeah, we definitely do not have a day one nickname on him. I see Alex, you've got probably feels like four to six things that you're mixing in. I really don't have any yet. So Bubba, just as much as we want it to work, it just doesn't work for a couple different reasons. One, that's what, most importantly, that's what the neighbor's kid's nickname is, and it's close to Bubber. So it, what are we going to say, Jules?

Speaker 1:
[33:15] I want to know what Alex's nicknames are.

Speaker 3:
[33:18] So I call him-

Speaker 2:
[33:19] Roe Roe is what I hear the most.

Speaker 3:
[33:21] Roe Poey, like Roe Poey, Rocky Talkie, like Walkie Talkie, Rose City. Have you seen the TikTok trend I sent, which is like, what do you mean my son's name is Rocky, and I call him Band-Aid? That's how far away, we call tape salad.

Speaker 1:
[33:37] Right.

Speaker 3:
[33:38] It's such a funny thing how you end up in the comment section. I think I sent it to you guys. The comment section is so funny on that TikTok, but yeah, right now it's Roe, Roe and Roey is kind of what I'm rolling with.

Speaker 1:
[33:49] I call him Rockstar in my head, just so you guys know.

Speaker 2:
[33:52] Love it.

Speaker 3:
[33:53] Oh, Rockstar, yeah, and people were like Tater Totten, Rocky Road, like there's it's kind of cute.

Speaker 1:
[33:58] Oh, Rocky Road is so good.

Speaker 3:
[34:01] Yeah, it's cute. I like Rocky Road a lot.

Speaker 2:
[34:04] The whole Rocky Mountain tie-in as well was not a driver of the name, but obviously is something that really lands with me.

Speaker 1:
[34:13] When you said UT, did you mean Tennessee?

Speaker 2:
[34:17] That was the Easter egg of Easter eggs.

Speaker 1:
[34:19] Once you guys sent me the name, I had to do a lot of Googling because I was like, I don't understand the connection between Rocky and UT. And then I found out that it was U-Tennessee.

Speaker 2:
[34:31] Yeah. So like USC, UT, I have a group of buddies that went to UT and like both sides claim UT as their name.

Speaker 1:
[34:43] Another one, I think it's Oklahoma. Do you call one of your schools in Oklahoma OSU?

Speaker 3:
[34:48] Yeah, Oklahoma State, and you guys do too, Ohio State, right?

Speaker 1:
[34:51] Yeah, but like, come on.

Speaker 3:
[34:54] I know. I've always been confused by that, but I thought Harrison, when he said UT, I thought he meant Texas also.

Speaker 1:
[35:02] People were guessing Bevo.

Speaker 4:
[35:04] People were guessing Archie.

Speaker 2:
[35:06] No, it was an intentionally misleading hint.

Speaker 1:
[35:09] Yeah, it was.

Speaker 3:
[35:10] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[35:10] It was funny.

Speaker 2:
[35:11] Yeah. But like I am a, I love both UTs.

Speaker 1:
[35:16] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[35:17] Yeah. So UT was my team up until I moved to Austin.

Speaker 1:
[35:22] Really?

Speaker 2:
[35:22] Tennessee. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[35:23] Oh, it's confusing. Yeah. Okay. We talked about this before, but like the concept that your first child grows like five inches overnight.

Speaker 2:
[35:33] Wait, have we talked about this?

Speaker 1:
[35:34] Yeah. I was the one that brought it up.

Speaker 2:
[35:36] Okay. I must have been on my phone. Because what I can tell you is my jaw has consistently been on the floor when I think about how big Tate is today versus a week ago. She feels just like she has grown. When we got back, my initial thought was like, she had a massive growth spurt when we were gone. Just from caring her to how she moves, there must be some word to describe this phenomenon. Because it's brain breaking how much bigger she seems.

Speaker 1:
[36:20] That was the one thing that my mom was begging me to tell you guys, that she will suddenly seem 13 years old.

Speaker 2:
[36:27] And that to me is one of those things that I would think would fall in the bucket of people talk about, but I don't experience, and we don't experience.

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Speaker 1:
[37:58] I think we should keep going down the Tate train, because I feel like a lot of the questions were about how the introduction went.

Speaker 2:
[38:04] Yeah, whatever.

Speaker 1:
[38:06] Well, how'd the introduction go?

Speaker 2:
[38:10] I think it went incredibly well. So the game plan initially, and we have an episode coming out with Dr. Becky, where we talk a lot about introduction of siblings. And so we'll get into a lot more of it on that episode. If you're interested, I recommend checking it out. It comes out, I think Monday, on Monday. Perfect. And so the initial game plan was that we were going to bring Tate to the hospital when we were leaving, and we were all going to leave as a family. But when it looked like we weren't going to come home early and we were going to get extended, we felt it was best to stop pushing it off. And so what we did is I drove home, I got her, brought her back to the hospital. When we got to the hospital, before we walked in, we had Rocky sent to the nursery. And so when we went into the room, the room was just Alex, and so Alex, Tate, and I could all hang out. We probably hung out as the three of us for 20 minutes. And then we asked, we got really, really excited about, do you want to go get Rocky? Do you want to go meet Rocky? And so as a family, we walked and wheelchared over to the nursery and we got there and like she, we like raised her to the glass and we pointed and she was like tapping the glass and then they brought him out. And like she, it was one of the more special things I've seen in my life of her genuine excitement to meet him when I didn't think that that would exist because she's so young. So she gave him a really cute kiss and then we all went back to the room and hung out as a family and Alex caught one of the very earlier sweet moments on camera, which I saw she just put on her Instagram. And then what we did is we had the nurse come back and take Rocky back to the nursery. So he left and then I took Tate back home. And so we definitely put a lot of effort into those dynamics of her not coming into a room where it was the three of us and overwhelming. And so we did that same thing back home. Because when we were released, Tate was, the timing just wasn't going to work for her to get back to the hospital. And so what we did is we had Rocky out of the house, and then the three of us went and got him from the car. And there was someone else in the car, don't worry. And so we went and got him and greeted him as a family on our porch. And that was another really, really sweet moment, which I don't know if that will ever be shared, but it was captured. It was captured and it was unbelievable. So that's how the kind of, call it two introductions have gone.

Speaker 1:
[41:31] And what about now the couple of days after that?

Speaker 2:
[41:35] So the couple of days after that, I think that they've gone as good as they could have. We've been, I don't know if this stuff that we're doing works, but we are putting a lot of thought and effort into how they interact. And so one priority that we have done. And once again, we're only two days in here. And so I want to preface like everything that I say on this entire episode. This is like the first blush take and knowing how things are with Tate, like things change so much in a week. And so I almost think like the Q&A in a week, assuming we do that again, things could be totally different. But so what we've been very intentional about over the first call it two mornings is keeping Tate on her regular routine. And so both mornings waking up with her and us spending our daughter father time together and going to the coffee shop. So the way it would normally work is we'd wake up, we go say hi to Alex, say hi to mama, and then we go downstairs and either make our breakfast or have a quick bite and go to the coffee shop. So the way that's changed is first we say hi to mom, then we say hi to Rocky, and then we go downstairs and we go to the coffee shop. So and Alex has takes takes over Rocky. So we're dividing and conquering in those mornings. And she's generally very, very excited when she sees him and when we say his name. There is definitely like things are more, I want to use the right word here. Like is, Alex, do you think emotional is the right word?

Speaker 4:
[43:20] No, it's more like, not emotional.

Speaker 2:
[43:27] Senses are elevated. And so is that-

Speaker 3:
[43:31] It's more like, don't you think, curiosity? Like last night when you put her to bed and-

Speaker 2:
[43:37] Yeah, I was going to get to that. That's the only big thing.

Speaker 3:
[43:41] I think she's curious. I think she's trying to figure it out.

Speaker 2:
[43:44] So I think that, yeah, there's a heightened level of curiosity going around right now, which you see through different behaviors. The only, over the first, call it 48 hours, the only true notable difference in behavior was last night, she didn't go to bed. When I put her, I had that bedtime routine that we're dialed in on. It was the first time it didn't work in as long as I can recall. And so I just, I tried to put her down and she had no interest in doing so. And it brought on a really special mother daughter connection that it, I don't know if I've told this story when Tate was initially born, and it was like the first time that she really started getting, she was really crying and no one could really understand why. And Alex just grabbed her and took her upstairs to the room and calmed her down. Have I ever talked about that? Okay. So we're in there, Tate's really worked up, Alex is in the room feeding, and I just hear Alex from the room, yeah, bring her in here. And Alex just takes control of the situation and is like, all right, Tate, Tate's coming in here. So she's in her sleep sack, and Alex has Tate in one arm and Rocky in the other, and she's feeding Rocky from a bottle, and she has Tate kind of helping with it. And as a family, I was in the bed, as a family of four, we probably hung out in the bed for like 30 minutes, things drastically calmed down. And then we said, okay, we're gonna time to put Rocky to bed. And so we put Rocky into the bassinet, and we said, all right, bye bye, Rocky. Good night, Rocky. And then that totally calmed her, and then I took her to bed, and she did our normal routine, and she was out in 30 seconds.

Speaker 1:
[45:53] Did that make sense though to what, I know the Dr. Becky episode hasn't come out yet, but she said like, they're just trying to figure out, and they're more perceptive than we are as adults, so they're like, just trying to figure out what's going on. So like, it makes sense that her emotions are whatever.

Speaker 2:
[46:08] Her senses are heightened, is the way I would describe it. Her senses are heightened, and she's in such a routine, and she's off of that routine, right? She's, all these family members she's met before are now here together, right? And she's going from family member to family member to friend to Maria to us to, and so there's, like, there's normally, like, one group is in town, like, there's minor adjustments to her schedule. So, and that's why we're trying so hard to, like, keep it as close as possible, and I think everything's going as smooth as it can be over the first 48 hours. That's how I, the summation.

Speaker 3:
[46:51] Tell the stomach story when she first got in.

Speaker 2:
[46:55] Yeah, one of the cooler things was, when Alex first got home, and we first saw Tate, before we went down and got him, we went into Tate's room, and we put on Trumpets by Jason Derulo, and we're having a little dance party, and Tate just, like, locks in on Alex's belly, and realizes, like, something's different, and lifts up her shirt and starts patting her belly. And so it's just, like, unbelievable how tuned in and aware these little kids are.

Speaker 1:
[47:37] Yeah. What are you guys most looking forward to about Tate being a big sister?

Speaker 2:
[47:42] I feel like this isn't gonna be, like, anything special. I love watching her grow, and so I love watching her develop. I love watching her mature, and so watching her grow into that role is what I'm most looking forward to. Blank stare. Not a good answer?

Speaker 1:
[48:06] No, it was a great answer. I was seeing if Alex was gonna come off me.

Speaker 2:
[48:10] Yeah, like watching her take on on like even just from that belly situation to her giving him the bottle to her giving a kiss, like watching, seeing new signs, sides of her personality is one of the most special things.

Speaker 1:
[48:28] That's awesome. Let's go to someone asked, what has already felt different about having a boy rather than a girl?

Speaker 2:
[48:41] That is is not a I think the best way to answer that question. And I actually funny enough think Alex and I feel differently on this is like, it doesn't feel that different.

Speaker 1:
[48:55] Alex.

Speaker 3:
[48:57] I would agree with that. I think that is the new born phase right now. Like they do feel very similar in that regard at this time. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[49:06] Changing the diaper is harder. Like that is very true.

Speaker 1:
[49:12] Okay. People want to know a couple of things, like kind of from Alex, but I think Harrison has the answer. So how's the breastfeeding and the feeding journey going?

Speaker 2:
[49:20] I'd say feeding journey is going according to Alex's plan, what she has laid out is she wants to do the first month primarily breastfeeding, and then switch to combo feeding, and whether that's 80-20 or 60-40 or 40-60 or 20-80 is what she will trust herself on navigating through. Early milk production has gone very, very well. We have an episode coming out with two lactation specialists on-

Speaker 1:
[49:59] I think next Thursday.

Speaker 2:
[50:00] We think next Thursday, where they gave a really, really a lot of good advice. But one interesting piece of advice that we'd never heard before was how critical breastfeeding in the first two hours were. And so Alex was super dialed in over those first two hours on getting him on the boob, getting him latching, getting things flowing, doing some hand gestures. And so it's all come in well. He's, so Alex, did I get that right?

Speaker 3:
[50:32] Correct. I think people are going to want to know like first time versus second time. It's so much, not easier the second time, but like so many less unknown. So I feel really confident.

Speaker 1:
[50:43] Oh, how big was Rocky as compared to Tate? I don't know if you want to say that.

Speaker 2:
[50:48] But he was bigger. Did we ever say Tate's ounces?

Speaker 1:
[50:51] Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 2:
[50:53] Seven pounds, six ounces.

Speaker 3:
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Speaker 1:
[52:11] Oh, this is a good one, because we talk a lot about food on this podcast. What was Alex's first postpartum meal?

Speaker 2:
[52:18] Chick-fil-A.

Speaker 1:
[52:20] Really?

Speaker 2:
[52:20] Yes. I gotta, not an ad promise. DoorDash completely changes the hospital eating experience. It's unbelievable. We did, so Chick-fil-A was number one. Luckily, there's a Chick-fil-A that is truly five minutes in the hospital. So the push happened so fast, and it came so fast, that there was no time to prep for the food, and it somehow must have got there in like 20 minutes. But like we ordered sushi and burgers, and I had personally a lot of steak and eggs from the well. And so we got to eat incredibly well, which was quite nice.

Speaker 1:
[53:14] Do you want to do some dad specific questions? Because I'm sure there's a million other questions we can do for when Alex gets back.

Speaker 2:
[53:21] Yeah, for sure. I think it's way better for for me not to be speaking on her behalf, right?

Speaker 1:
[53:27] It's I agree. I agree. So did you cry when Rocky was born?

Speaker 2:
[53:31] The your child being born or the two most emotional times in my life were when Tate was born and when Rocky was born. And the it's like the final five minutes of pushing through the first 20 minutes of them being alive is a true state of euphoria. And the kind of flow of it is like this person you love is trying harder to do something, trying harder than I've ever tried at anything in my life. Like the pushing and the exhaustion and the fight. Like, it is, it's, it's so heartwarming and motivating. And so you watch your partner fight, and fight like I've never fought before. And then to reach the result of that with a live human, and then these like first couple minutes of, all right, are they health, are they healthy? They're checking heart rate, and they're checking breathing, and crying, and so on and so forth. To then, all right, everything's fine. And you have this magical moment of, they go skin to skin with the baby and the mom, and then you cut the umbilical cord, and things kind of settle. And just as they're settling, and you go outside to the waiting room, and your families are there, and as joyous of a moment as it is for you, you then look at their faces, and like they are sitting there waiting with the same level of joy and excitement, and as you are, and that whole sequence, to walking to the room is, it's, yeah, I haven't experienced a level of emotion like that. So, it's truly unbelievable.

Speaker 1:
[55:56] I thought that was an awesome answer, but did you cry? You didn't say. That's what people are wondering. Well, I'm dead.

Speaker 2:
[56:09] I think it would be hard to not shed a tear in those moments.

Speaker 1:
[56:14] Love it.

Speaker 2:
[56:15] So yes, of course.

Speaker 1:
[56:18] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[56:20] Would it have been better? You just want me to say yeah?

Speaker 1:
[56:22] No, I thought that was an awesome answer. I thought it was an awesome answer.

Speaker 2:
[56:26] It is one of the most surreal life moments. And I got a double tap. Watching Alex fight and push, the level of energy and effort, it's something that as a man, you can never take on. And it's the most impressive thing in the world. And then the most impressive thing in the world is a result of that.

Speaker 1:
[56:54] So with that being said, what advice for dads do you have during labor and delivery? How should they support mom during that time, especially for long births?

Speaker 2:
[57:04] Just remembering that they are the priority and catering to what they need. Everyone is so different in terms of what they need. And so really just making sure that they have your full and undivided attention and then support in whatever way they ask or whatever way you think that they would want. There's one other thing, but I'm blanking on it.

Speaker 1:
[57:33] Follow-up question. What's the best thing you did to support Alex during the delivery this time around?

Speaker 3:
[57:42] Oh, I want to talk. Can I say something?

Speaker 1:
[57:45] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[57:46] On this moment. So our doctor had said Harrison could deliver the baby. And when she came in to break the water, she was like, okay, get him his scrubs. Like he's going to be the one delivering it here. And when she left, we were like, wait a second. That's like, and some of my friends messaged me there, like my husband did deliver the baby and like, it kind of had me excited about it. Then in that moment, I was like, you know what I want? I want you to stay right beside me because he always holds my hand and he holds one leg. And then the nurse holds the other leg. And then my doctor's like down there delivering. And I decided that I wanted Harrison to be beside me. And so he was beside me. And the moment the baby came out, I know that he just talked about his feeling. It's not burned into my head with Tate because I was so disoriented, but it's burned into my head with Rocky. Seeing the joy on Harrison's face and having him be right beside me was truly the best feeling in the world. And it's an image that I'll never forget of his face. And so the thing that to me is him doing... Like he did the best thing to support me, and that wasn't deliver the baby. It was be beside me. And I felt like he did that the whole time where he would say, do you want visitors back here or not? And I would say yes. And then he would go and get them. And he would say he was very specific. So how long do you want them back here for? And then I would tell him. And he would just make sure he ran the show. Do you want to send the text or do you want me to send the texts? And he asked very specific questions and then did that. And there was, did you ever push back on anything? No, I don't think you did. Because sometimes I like when Harrison says, all right, I'm going to offer another perspective here. Sometimes that's how we communicate in real life. But no, in the delivery room, it was all like I wanted the epidural and I'd asked for it. And every time the doctor came back in, he was not, he waited till the very end after I had asked all my questions. And then he would just say, hey, one last question, what's the update on the epidural? And she would tell us. And so he just made sure it was almost like he was keeping a list of things I had asked for. And then every time the nurse came in, I got asked all my questions, her and I talked. And then when she would say, if you guys need anything else, he would follow up on some of my stuff. And it just felt like I had a real partner there that was going to bat for me. So that's that would be my answer on it.

Speaker 2:
[60:09] The least that I can do. And I think it ties into what I said before. And one, the most important person is you. You're who needs to be most taken care of. And you're who needs to be prioritized, plain and simple. And that's my job. And that's the partner's job. So yeah, I don't really have an answer on that. It is kind of funny how, yeah, on the delivery thing, it'll be, yeah, it totally didn't feel right. That's the only thing I'd add to that.

Speaker 1:
[60:55] I think maybe we can hit the last question, which was, what surprised you most about becoming a second time dad?

Speaker 2:
[61:08] We're only 48 hours in, and I can say over the first 48 hours.

Speaker 3:
[61:16] You're 48 hours of being at home.

Speaker 2:
[61:18] The core, sure, we're five days in. I think that that one kid very well prepares you for two. Things are tracking, as I would have expected so far. So far, there are no major surprises. But I say that under the important caveat of note, we're a few days in here. And so things can change and things can change fast. So I'm excited to answer that question in a week, in a month, in six months, in 12 months, and so on and so forth. But it's been magical. It's been awesome.

Speaker 1:
[61:50] Love it. What pod topics have you been, you know, just racking up in your brain here?

Speaker 2:
[61:55] I've sent them all. I've sent them all.

Speaker 1:
[61:57] Any you want to talk on?

Speaker 2:
[61:59] No, I thought about it. I had a bunch. A big one that came in last night. But I want, I think it's best to keep this episode a little more direct around the Q&A.

Speaker 1:
[62:11] Okay, well, we'll end with a fun one then.

Speaker 2:
[62:14] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[62:14] People want to know what baby Rocky's first stock will be. Oh.

Speaker 2:
[62:28] I mean, we're just gonna buy in the indices for now. Some VTI.

Speaker 1:
[62:35] Okay, sounds good.

Speaker 2:
[62:36] And all financial advice.

Speaker 1:
[62:38] Alex, any parting words?

Speaker 3:
[62:41] Good job, Harrison. And Jules, good job, both of you.

Speaker 1:
[62:46] Thanks.

Speaker 3:
[62:47] Jules always does a good job.

Speaker 1:
[62:48] No, I feel like I did a bad job, but that's okay.

Speaker 2:
[62:51] You did a phenomenal job.

Speaker 3:
[62:51] No, no, no, you guys did great. I think it was really good, I enjoyed listening. Rocky and I both did.

Speaker 2:
[62:55] It's fun that you dialed in, obviously, was not necessary. It was fun.

Speaker 3:
[63:02] It was fun for us. We enjoyed it.

Speaker 2:
[63:04] Yeah, I can say I really come to love coming and sharing.

Speaker 3:
[63:12] Yeah, it's a sweet moment and it's people, then they share their experiences and it's really, you don't get the kid thing until you do. It's like I love hearing other people's takes and what their experience was and things like that.

Speaker 2:
[63:25] Yeah. I'm watching this back in 10 years. It'll be interesting. On that note, one question I saw was that was not answered, or sorry, that was not asked was, how do we think Tate and Rocky differ?

Speaker 1:
[63:40] Oh, how do you think? No, I didn't.

Speaker 2:
[63:44] I have an early read on this.

Speaker 1:
[63:45] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[63:47] I think she's a lot more specific than him.

Speaker 1:
[63:51] This is like I don't know thing. It's like, how could you tell?

Speaker 2:
[63:56] One glaring example is the swaddle. So Tate needed to be swaddled, and needed to be swaddled perfectly. This kid, he does not care.

Speaker 1:
[64:09] Oh.

Speaker 2:
[64:09] And there's a lot of different, like, bottle temperature, doesn't care. There's just a lot of, like, Tate, Tate has been an amazing child, and I think, I think she's been an easy child. I think she's easy because she likes things down a certain way. And so you can figure that out. With him, it feels like there's just a lot more flexibility. Do you agree with that, Alex?

Speaker 3:
[64:43] I can't. Yeah, I think so. I can't quite tell yet, but I think so.

Speaker 2:
[64:48] Yeah, I mean, it's like a five-day-in prediction.

Speaker 3:
[64:52] Yeah, but still pretty good, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[64:54] We couldn't get it. That's as long a shot of a prediction as you can make.

Speaker 3:
[64:58] Right.

Speaker 1:
[64:58] No, no, no. I agree. I agree. We'll play this back in like a year, first birthday.

Speaker 3:
[65:03] Exactly.

Speaker 2:
[65:04] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[65:04] We'll decide.

Speaker 2:
[65:05] Exactly. And that's part of the beauty of this, being able to see what our thoughts and mindsets were at the time.

Speaker 1:
[65:13] Love it.

Speaker 2:
[65:15] All right. Thank you.

Speaker 3:
[65:19] I'm going to go. Bye, guys.

Speaker 2:
[65:20] Talk soon.

Speaker 3:
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