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Speaker 1:
[00:34] Welcome back to The Pod Has Spoken. It is Exit Press Day, and we are talking to one of our good friends from The Pod. We've had Christian on multiple times. So let's get into it. All right, it's with broken hearts and trodden spirit that we are here with our good friend today after his exit last night on Survivor. Christian, Hubicki, Christian, how are you feeling after the aftermath after viewing that episode?

Speaker 2:
[01:03] Look, I mean, you might not believe me. I'm feeling great. In the scheme of things, you gotta understand. Like, you know, I got to be, I'm a fan of this show. I love my job and I love this show. And I got to go on the show not once, but twice and on season 50. And not only did I get to go, I got this crazy thrill ride of adventure the entire time, like top to bottom of things from my perspective that I just like, just like a life, another, you feel like you get a lifetime of memories from just like one season of Survivor. I feel like I got a whole nother one out of this. And yeah, the fact that I go out and, you know, you get voted out at one point, it's okay. And like, yes, well, the circumstances are crazy, but I'm sure we won't talk about any of that, right?

Speaker 1:
[01:47] We're gonna talk about all of it, but if it's too repetitive for you on the day, then you talk about what you want to, because we like to be unique here. We like to run a conversation with you where you leave us feeling even better about yourself than you did when you jumped on this call.

Speaker 2:
[02:04] What a great philosophy. Go on, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1:
[02:06] Yeah, so let's get into it. I mean, we know each other, so I think our conversation will flow freely, but I have a couple bullet points here. Rick's fake idol was also your fake idol. How did you feel about him snagging that last week and then not really including you on its use that much? Was there something you could have done? I mean, obviously, Emily and Rick were left out of the vote, so they couldn't have known that they should have given it to you maybe to flex or something, but let's think outside the box here. But first of all, did Rick take that without your knowledge?

Speaker 2:
[02:45] Look, we did not explicitly say we're playing it tonight, but there was an understanding that if we felt we needed it, we could go get it. He even told me before we swapped that if you're at a tribal council, you can go get that. He told me that, so I was always aware of it. The only thing is, he didn't tell me exactly where it was. So there were some tribal councils, I was like, where the heck is it?

Speaker 1:
[03:07] Right, because you had to fall, you didn't see where he placed it.

Speaker 2:
[03:11] No, I think I saw his head go from up to down and back up again. I saw it was clearly somewhere, but he told me it's going to go in one place. Anyway, there's all these logistical shenanigans with it. So there's an understanding we could each play it whenever we felt it. I don't blame him for feeling the need to play it because the live tribal started, people getting up and talking to each other, whispering, before he ever went and found that, right? What had happened was someone had tipped off Jonathan, or multiple someones had tipped off Jonathan that something was going down with Coach and Chrissy. One of whom was Ozzy. And so I was like, oh, and my job, because I was Jonathan's partner, I was the diminutive partner of our giant duo. And so I was like, and I was trying to convince him that I'm voting for Rick, I'm voting for Rick, because this was such an existential vote, because I felt like not getting rid of Coach and Chrissy, you have a giant alliance of old school thinkers who don't like me terror that much.

Speaker 1:
[04:07] Do they not?

Speaker 2:
[04:08] Well, I mean, I say, well, Coach was talking to all kinds of things about me, but I think we've actually kind of, I actually made some en-ros with Coach before, but I was concerned that they would get rid of me at some point. Letting me take control of the game, bad. Existential threat, part of the Death Star needed to go. So I was lying to Jonathan up and down, like, yes, get rid of Rick and Aubrey. Rick and Aubrey, they're going. Of course, trying to save them, right? We're all trying to save them. So once the live tribal starts, once Rick pulls that thing out, then all of a sudden it's like, what's this going to be? And I'm trying to say, look, that thing could be fake. I'm sure trying to pretend like I'm going after Rick and Aubrey and it becomes even harder and harder. But he's suddenly just got an idol and Stephanie's like, make him show it to you. And I'm like, what do you want me to do? It was crazy. And it was just nuts. So, but the thing is, because it was nuts before he played it, I don't blame him. It was his butt on the line. Now, if I magically was in charge, I'd be like, we got the votes. It's fine. Am I 100% sure that's the case? No, but also I would have kept it. At which point, maybe the next vote plays out differently, but I mean, I don't blame him for going for it. And also, let's not skip over the fact that was pretty epic, right?

Speaker 1:
[05:18] It was pretty crazy. It was awesome. I said last night on the podcast, I would have had to target Rick after that because it was just too cool. Like, you just be like, I can't have somebody doing that cool of a thing in front of me without me being the one doing the cool thing. They have to go. Jimmy Fallon, without his existence, would you still be in the game? It's kind of a butterfly effect question here.

Speaker 2:
[05:43] I mean, I have a biased opinion on this because it's me, but I think there's a strong chance I would have survived that vote, only because Emily came out swinging to save me, to her own detriment, which I would, by the way, at Ozzy, by the way. So I really felt in a lot of ways vindicated in my trying to keep Emily close to me, because I was like, yes, people talk about the fact that she has no secrets and all that, but that's tactically how Emily behaves, not strategically and loyalty wise, why she behaves. And so she came out swinging for me, almost went home in my stead, right? And I believe, again, my perspective, it seems like there are people saying, well, this already votes on Christian, he's against the wall, why would you let him get away this time? So it might have been Emily instead. Now that said, it does not absolve me of the mistake of telling Suri about an Ozzy plan. That is, without a doubt, in my opinion, the clearest obvious mistake that I wish I could take back, I could yell at myself, don't do, and it put me in a bad spot, but the Jimmy Fallon twist didn't help.

Speaker 1:
[06:49] They weren't obviously together, Suri and Ozzy. Even if I'm going into a season, I'm feeling like they've been around each other for so many years, how can they not have something?

Speaker 2:
[06:59] Oh, believe me, I'm kicking myself. I mean, the thing is, we also knew it. I mean, we talked about it a lot on the original SILA tribe, right? And like that was like, oh, should, in fact, there's lots of talks like, you know, Suri is really trying to protect Ozzy right here. But like, I think just like over the weeks, that just sort of washes away amongst all the other politics. I think what, and I think that there's two factors, okay? And one, while I can only speak for me, and so my view of Suri, I really was investing a lot of like, I was really trying to look for an end game option. If I didn't have some way to punch through the final three, I might as well not even show up on this dang island. Why am I here? And so, and Suri is one of the few answers to that particular riddle, because who also has a hard time punching through this final three in a way that's much more severe than even me, right? Suri, Suri. And so I promised her, I would take her to the end on day one. I said, Suri, like, look, you might think I'm crazy, but like you and I have similar problems vastly different degrees. We both want to punch to that final three. I know I'm not you, but there will be times where you will be targeted, I will want to protect you. There will be times where I'm targeted and you could protect me. And in the end, we could protect each other to go to the end. Now, would I go to the end? Probably not. But like, and sure, and so I invested so much in the game option in Suri, I think it blinded me to the dangers of who she was talking to, even though it was very clearly there was a middle that I was starting to sniff out with Ozzy. And so I think that's why I missed it. And maybe everyone else, I can suspect, says like, you know what? Suri is a good target and shield for me. I want to keep her for now because she might take a bullet later. But if she's useful to everyone, she's useful to no one. And we should all realize that.

Speaker 1:
[08:47] Yeah, I mean, we're watching it and why people aren't realizing it. But it is crazy that is part of her mystique is that she's so comforting when you are face to face with her. And she's so chill and she's so at ease that it just like makes you feel like you're her person.

Speaker 2:
[09:09] And I think that one thing I think we can appreciate, Tyson, as mutual reality show contestants, that if we make it through the filter of being cast on Survivor and you can get on there and yet somehow be chill and blend into the background, you're probably incredibly dangerous. You know, like, you know, a lot of us are on this show because we're loud and we talk a lot, right? Not that Sheree isn't hilarious and entertaining. She absolutely is. I think, and this is why I kind of had like a list of people in the pre-T is like, do not forget about these people as being threats. And I think the fact that I needed that one big threat at the end to take a bullet for me right before the finals blinded me to like, yeah, she just is that skilled, right? And sure enough, she was.

Speaker 1:
[09:47] Well, and also like you're looking at, you're trying to put yourself in her shoes, I'm assuming and saying, is Christian more valuable to me, Saree, than an Aussie or than somebody like this? And if you feel like you're pitched to her early about punching through to the final three was more valuable to her than other relationships, then why wouldn't you put your trust in that?

Speaker 2:
[10:09] Yeah. And I think clearly it's audacious. Like I was even talking about like, like if I do this, if I say this, Saree, I might look like the biggest idiot on the planet. I might go back to her confessional and laugh at this dumb professor who thinks that he could go to punch, that he would stick up for me to the final three. And she very well might have. Maybe it didn't make air, but like it was an audacious play to have some path to the end, something I never had in my first season.

Speaker 3:
[10:34] Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[10:35] Was that puzzle more difficult than it looked? Or did you crack under the pressure a little bit? Because I feel like you easily could have done that puzzle, Christian. Based off of what I'm watching.

Speaker 2:
[10:50] So, obviously, the pressure got to me. I mean, the thing is, there are lots of different kinds of puzzles. The kinds of puzzles I'm really good at are these kind of procedure-based puzzles where you try to figure out a sequence, right? Slide puzzles, figuring out a sequence, and that's kind of an optimization problem. I have a good eye for that. Even like the opening marooning challenge, there's a thing where you have to slide oars back and forth, and it's a procedure, you save time. I was able to optimize that pretty well. A jigsaw puzzle, you have to grind out. You have to grind out the solution. As soon as I saw the jigsaw puzzles, this might be tricky. I actually kind of went assuming it would not be a jigsaw puzzle because I've done so many jigsaw puzzles this season of the Survivor logo. I said, I'm not going to do another one. They're going to do something else for this journey. When I saw the piece, they're like, oh, they are. Oh, okay. I actually thought it might be Survivor Trivia. I thought that for Survivor 50, I was like, oh, okay. That's like the Survivor 50, the Survivor Trivia. They've done physical ones in the past. That makes sense here. But what happens, just logistically, in case you care about the details here, Tyson.

Speaker 1:
[11:49] Yeah, I do.

Speaker 2:
[11:51] There was a point where I swore there must have been a way for a piece to go into this one spot. That's the only way that it could work. And that was a flawed assumption. I spent too much time zeroed in on this one spot. And like, oh, God. So I spent too much time. So I ended up being a couple pieces away, knowing, though, that jigsaw puzzles, they become exponentially easier as you get down to the end. Right? There are fewer of you are us. So I was actually closer than I remembered being given the, but I was still, you know, I was panicking. I honestly, I did choke and I feel really bad about that. It's really sad. And that's why I felt like, you know, how do I turn this into something positive? And I don't want to set a bad example for my son by being too hard on myself, you know?

Speaker 1:
[12:32] Yeah. I think you played it perfectly. It's okay to be disappointed in failure, but also stand back up and learn from the failure, or try again. Like that's it, right?

Speaker 2:
[12:44] What else is there to do?

Speaker 1:
[12:45] What else is there to do? If you're winning all the time, then nobody wins all the time. Nobody's ever won all the time. Like I was like trying to think of somebody who's just constantly winning. I was like, no, they've learned from their failures. In that moment of heartbreak and maybe internal rage, did you think about, because I did, the aliens showing up and finding a survivor puzzle on the bottom of the ocean in the earth 300 years from now and be like, what the fuck is this?

Speaker 2:
[13:17] I was worried. It's like, am I polluting the ocean by like, even if you finish the puzzle, the puzzle goes off the edge, but like, I'm polluting, I'm polluting this beautiful ocean. And I will say, there's something underrated, like when I was going out to that journey, I was like, oh my God, I am on a speedboat in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, driving out to a pontoon where there are camera folks waiting to me to do a challenge. I turned to the guy, the boat captain, I said, floor it. He's like, what? Go really fast. And so it's like, there's sort of an underrate, like the adventure of the journey there, like I never stopped to think about how that would feel. Obviously it was a sadder journey home, but the journey out was a blast. It was like, I was going, all the waves, it was awesome.

Speaker 1:
[14:05] Yeah, I didn't even know you could do that. I guess request that. I never would have thought of that. I would have just been like, I'm a prisoner to this guy driving this boat. I'm just going to sit here in silence in case I don't want to get in trouble. I bet those puzzle pieces had a half life of 23 trillion years or something though, it will be, it will be fine.

Speaker 2:
[14:24] There's some, there's some kind of wood. They might get petrified. They might, they like, like that. I haven't thought, thought it through or become driftwood. Could you imagine it washed up as driftwood?

Speaker 1:
[14:32] Oh my God.

Speaker 2:
[14:33] Like, what is this?

Speaker 1:
[14:34] What a souvenir. Yeah. Somebody, those fans that go out and scour the beaches just to see where it's filmed, end up bumping into a puzzle piece. That would be the thrill of a lifetime for them. Riley, what?

Speaker 2:
[14:47] It's like it's the Titanic.

Speaker 1:
[14:48] Yes. Yes. Everyone's out there now looking for the treasure on the bottom of the ocean, Survivor artifacts. Riley, what do you have?

Speaker 3:
[14:58] Christian, can you explain how you started FIRE going way back with the classes? Did somebody have reading specs or something? Yeah. Why don't people do this on every season?

Speaker 2:
[15:10] Well, who has reading specs? People who tend to be older. What is the cast of Survivor 50 skew? A bit older. So we had multiple people who had reading classes. Jenna and Saree. I actually made a joke because I saw Colby had reading glasses back at Ponacosa. I was like, I wish Colby were here. I can use his reading glasses. Saree was like, oh, I got reading glasses. Jenna did too. Saree's glasses were slightly higher prescription. We actually had originally had a two-stage lens that we worked out. We realized we didn't need it. So we just did a one-stage and worked out fine.

Speaker 3:
[15:41] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[15:41] Wow.

Speaker 3:
[15:43] Do we need more old people? Or maybe that's why they stop casting old people, because you get fired. That's it.

Speaker 2:
[15:48] That's the key. I mean, also on David vs. Eliath, we had constant rain and clouds. We were just no way on my first season we'd ever be able to try that. And this is not something I prepared to do. That's one of the beauties of survivors when you end up doing stuff you're like, I never thought I would ever prepare to do. It's the over-preparation for perspective challenges, overrated, the adaptation, the novel things, that's what's awesome.

Speaker 1:
[16:07] It's like an astronaut out in space having to figure out a problem that they had no preparation for whatsoever with a limited amount of things on their shuttle to figure out how to actually live.

Speaker 2:
[16:20] Yeah. Square peg, round hole, all you got is duct tape and a sock.

Speaker 1:
[16:23] Yes. Figure it out. You got it. Exactly. What's the ideal prescription then there? Let's say I go back on Survivor, but I want to start a fire real quick, so I go to my eye doctor and fake it through an eye exam so I can get the thickest glasses possible.

Speaker 2:
[16:41] Strongest possible. I mean, that's what you're looking at. I mean, stronger the better. I mean, literally, you looked at the prescription numbers on the glasses, like, Stray is a little bit stronger. What's going on? Yeah, so, I mean, also, being as steady is important. There's literally, we're feeling it out on the fly. And I'll tell you, there is some element of fear when you're doing this. You're like, this better work and you'll be very embarrassed.

Speaker 1:
[17:01] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[17:01] All these camera people are hovering over, you're trying to get the shot. You're like, I feel bad for these people if I don't get wasted all of their time.

Speaker 1:
[17:08] When they start to walk away when you're trying to do something, you know it's the worst feeling as you're trying to get something going and the camera guys are all amped into it and then they slowly one by one just start putting their cameras down and backing away and focusing on other people. You're like, wait, I got a joke. I've got something over here, guys.

Speaker 2:
[17:29] What else you got, Riley, anything else?

Speaker 3:
[17:31] Well, I mean, that brings up part of it, which we also saw in this episode, which is like this thing that you have wrestled with, which is like this reputation as like the heavyweight smart guy, but then it not always coming through. I guess like, can you just like speak more to your feelings on that on Survivor as like the, I guess like the failure, but also just like the reputation too.

Speaker 2:
[17:55] Just generally as like people perceive me as smart, or what do you mean?

Speaker 1:
[18:01] People perceive you as smart and brilliant, but then we watch you do this puzzle, and then it seems extra, like how do you navigate that? Is that hard to come to terms with?

Speaker 2:
[18:16] As I said, I mean, like, you know, like when people view you as a smart person, they expect you to do basically everything perfectly, right? And just like that is the expectation, like in all manner of unrelated skills, when in fact, when you learn that expertise is incredibly narrow, you know, like we, you know, when you get a PhD, you're diving down to a particular topic. Yes, you learn more generalizable skills about science, and yes, you're probably pretty good at picking up things on the fly, but like, frankly, I should have just bought some puzzles online and just started doing jigsaw puzzles all over, over and over again. I think that if there's any, I think if there was a hubris element to my preparation there, like it's like, I didn't bother doing that, because I was like, I was like, I don't care. I don't want to over prepare on a particular puzzle. That is not what I'm there to do. When in fact, every, you know, every other challenge is a jigsaw puzzle. So really I should just dial in and do jigsaw puzzle. I should have done jigsaw puzzles, you know, for two straight years, right? That would have been the thing to do. When in fact, you know, just because you're a smart person doesn't mean you, you know, allegedly smart person. It means you can just look at a thing and just solve it, right? There's, there are different ways, there are ways where people are brilliant, but they just can't do basic math. Like these are things. Like I think Emily Flippton talked about this on her season. She had to do like a math problem. She's a finance analyst. Doesn't mean she's not, not smart. It's just smart comes in all shapes and sizes. I think people should remember that when they make assumptions about people, but I'm glad that people seem to think I'm smart, hopefully still.

Speaker 3:
[19:46] Well, I'm happy that you kind of lean into like the vulnerability of that reputation on yourself and are able to express yourself when it comes to, when you don't always live up to it or just the way that pressure plays out.

Speaker 2:
[20:02] Thank you. Thank you. I want to set a good example.

Speaker 3:
[20:04] I wish I was more articulate with this question, but thank you so much for that.

Speaker 2:
[20:06] No, I just want to make sure I knew where you're going. I mean, that's going to happen with my son, right? You know, at some point, he will be perceived, I'm sure, to be good at things, right? But they will ultimately not do well in those things. And it's easy to get down on yourself. You know, at least I'm projecting, don't want to project too much of myself on my son, but I can get down on myself, absolutely. And I think that in a way, Survivor is kind of a gift. It forces you that you can't hide. I couldn't hide that failure. I had to move forward in spite of it. So not saying I wish I hadn't, that I'm glad I didn't do that puzzle, but given that I didn't, there is a lesson in that. I'm grateful for that.

Speaker 1:
[20:45] Well, if there's anything also about parenthood is that if you hide Survivor, this Survivor failure from him, he will think that you are 100% successful at everything you do until he's a teenager.

Speaker 2:
[21:03] I guess there is that assumption. Michael is one now, so I look forward to make those decisions about what I expose him to when, including his dad's ultimate fallibility.

Speaker 1:
[21:15] Yeah. Well, thank you, Christian. We have to run. Thank you so much for being vulnerable and for giving us so many amazing moments on this season of Survivor. We've loved watching you. You were the star of the show. I will say that of the memorable characters on Season 50 of Survivor, you will go down as one of, you'll be on the DVD cover without a doubt. If they make DVDs ever still, you will be one of the handful on the DVD cover.

Speaker 2:
[21:49] Thank you. I'm glad you had fun. I think in part, I was having a lot of fun.

Speaker 4:
[21:54] Drawing up and down.

Speaker 1:
[21:55] That's awesome.

Speaker 2:
[21:56] I think it's infectious.

Speaker 1:
[21:57] I think someone told you to have fun when you go out there to make sure that that was the one thing you could control.

Speaker 4:
[22:02] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[22:03] That's good advice. Whoever that is, they should give that advice to as many people as possible.

Speaker 1:
[22:07] Then we can keep it to ourselves. Love you, Christian. We'll talk to you soon. All right, Ashleigh, how do you feel about Christian? Is he over it?

Speaker 4:
[22:17] I think so. I think he took a great view of the failure from the minute that he failed, which I have to admire because I think I'd be very upset and like I didn't ask him if he was over the Jimmy Fallon thing because I'm personally not over the Jimmy Fallon thing.

Speaker 1:
[22:37] Right.

Speaker 4:
[22:37] So, I just respect him and how he just takes this entire process and I'm a hundred percent sure his child is going to be so proud of him when he watches it early or later on in his life. So, I'm just, I'm just, it was just like really nice to hear him say this, all this stuff. He's just, oh, I'm so inspired by him.

Speaker 1:
[22:58] Yeah. I agree. I think it was, he was distraught. He sat down and failed and then realized that his son's going to watch it or it's a teaching moment or a learning moment. But also like that's in general, that's humanity is failing and trying again. And so, yeah, I thought his perspective on it was good. It seems like he's very positive and happy. And so we like to see that Riley, any thoughts about Christian?

Speaker 3:
[23:26] I mean, we love Christian. One of my personal favorites ever. And he brought it this season. And then like we're saying, I mean, just what a wonderful perspective on life and on the game that he had and was able to share with us and with everybody even on the show too, even in the moment as it's happening. So hope we get him for a third time.

Speaker 1:
[23:48] Yeah, I could see that. I could see that happening. I will share a little behind the scenes here. A Christian did reach out to me as he was going to be casting for season 50, debating on whether or not to actually go because he did have a new son at home and he knew that that was going to be a lot of workload for his wife and also just leaving a new child at home is very difficult to leave for six weeks or whatever they have to go for Survivor. And I told him, look, you can't control if you can win or not. Like you can do your best and try to win, but you can control whether or not you enjoy the experience and have fun. So if your goal is to get the money or get as much money as possible, and that's the only thing that's going to scratch that itch that you have to go, then it's maybe not worth going. But if you can go out and have fun and make it an experience regardless of your placement at the end, then go. And he ultimately decided to go and texted me when he got home and said, thank you so much for that advice. I took it to heart and I don't regret any of it. So yeah.

Speaker 3:
[25:02] I mean, to that point, like I have almost one and a half year old, it's a similar age to Christian's son. And I mean, those that first year or so, there are so many changes happening so fast. And I don't know. I don't think I would have left him for six weeks, for almost anything. And so that's-

Speaker 1:
[25:24] What about if you were on Survivor? What about if you got cast on Survivor?

Speaker 3:
[25:30] Maybe it would have been a very difficult decision. I'm sure it was difficult for Christian. And obviously we're very happy he went, but it's like, you know, for anyone out there who doesn't know what parenthood is like, or if it's been a while since your kid was that young, and is like, they are changing like every single week. New stuff is happening. And so you miss that time and it's crazy. But I think that, you know, he made the right choice for him. And the fact that he spoke to his son so much on this season, he'll be able to go back and watch this one day with his kid and it'll be really meaningful and great. So I think he got out of the experience what he wanted to and what made it worth it.

Speaker 1:
[26:10] And if he has other kids, he's going to have to go back so that they can also get mentioned on Survivor. I've thought that because my oldest came out on the family visit and I was like, oh, although my youngest was on House of Villains FaceTime call, so we're not equal, but they both got their moment in the limelight.

Speaker 3:
[26:35] House of Villains isn't as prestigious as Survivor in the reality competition. Not yet.

Speaker 4:
[26:41] Not yet, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[26:42] He'll get there.

Speaker 1:
[26:43] Yeah. So, any last thoughts before we shut it down?

Speaker 4:
[26:49] I don't know. I think Jimmy Fallon should send a basket to Christian immediately. So if he hasn't yet, Jimmy, come on.

Speaker 1:
[27:00] Did Jennie get her baskets from Billie Eilish?

Speaker 4:
[27:04] Billie Eilish, does she know that the season's premiering? That's the question.

Speaker 1:
[27:09] She doesn't know it's airing yet. What were you going to say, Riley? What did you see?

Speaker 3:
[27:14] I saw somebody online screenshotted the full note from Christian's journey. If he had won, it actually was a little bit different than they showed on the show. So he would have put a vote in the urn that he would have written down there. But then he would have had the option to bank his actual vote from that tribal council and save it for the future, and basically get an extra vote. He wouldn't have had to have announced this to his tribe the way that he did the loss. So that makes it a little more like the risk-reward is maybe a little bit closer there. I still think it's a pretty bad twist to this one, but there was a little bit more that he was playing for there, I guess.

Speaker 1:
[28:02] It doesn't allow for gameplay if you lose. You have no option to go back and lie, or to twist a story, or to use it to your advantage, even though it's a disadvantage, there was no leeway.

Speaker 3:
[28:15] I feel like one of the bedrock principles of the journey is that you can always go back and lie about what happened. People have to determine whether you're telling the truth, even if you are telling the truth, it always comes with that tension immediately. Taking that away here from him, it was like, I think, he told us, he thinks he could have been safe if he hadn't had this happen. I'm not exactly sure how it would have played out and I don't think he is either. But once he went, his name was certainly out there, he knew he was in danger. Then once he goes back and is like, by the way, there's already a vote for me out there and I can't vote, like it's from me. It's just like his ability to wriggle his way out of that situation is just gone.

Speaker 4:
[29:02] I think for twists like this, if you lose and you have to vote for yourself kind of thing, I think there should be an option of, I don't want to do it and then they can still punish you with taking away a vote or something. But I think that it didn't seem very fair at all. There is no real choice in this and I feel like with journeys, there's just be a little more choice so that we can get to the actual strategy.

Speaker 1:
[29:26] I agree. Some agency to maneuver. One thing I forgot to ask him was what it felt like to actually write his own name down on parchment because nobody's done that for any reason whatsoever. He has the out of 700, you're not allowed to. Usually. Out of 700 contestants, there's a few rules on Survivor. One of them is you're not allowed to write your own name down. So, I'm sure someone else asked him. If not, then maybe he will be so kind as to chime in, in the comments or let us know. That'll do it here. Well played, Christian. Always fun to watch you. Until next week. See you.