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Speaker 1:
[00:00] Check, check, mic check. This is the Fly Moto 60 Show. Presented by Fly Racing. Get data, 100% goggles, Maxxis tires, ASV inventions and seat concepts. I'm pulpmx.com, taking your calls and looking ahead to the races with your host, Steve Mathis.

Speaker 2:
[01:13] Yeah, welcome back everybody to Fly Race and Moto 60 Show. We are back. We took last week off, but we're back this week to talk about Philadelphia Supercross and more. Three rounds to go and Hunter Lawrence, Ken Roxton separated by one point and let's go. This should be great to have in a series right now. The 250 East is kind of settled. Cole Davies can clinch this weekend. Of course, Deeks has clinched on the West, but this 450 Supercross thing is a banger. So thanks for watching and listening. 702-586-Pulp, give us a call. Let's talk some Philly Supercross or really whatever is on your mind. Zach Osborne and Jason Wigant are calling in to offer up their expertise. So I appreciate you guys supporting the show, supporting our partners as well. flyracing.com, you go there, you look at their gear. The mesh is out now. So as it's getting hotter, it's their lightest, most coolest gear they have. Type in PULPAMEX at the checkout code and save with the folks at flyracing.com. Of course, they got the EVO gear as well. The BOA closure system is on the back of their pants. It's really, really nice. So if you're a size 33, not a 34, not a 32, that BOA stuff can take up all of that slack in there. So it's a great invention by the folks at flyracing.com, Formula Helmets, amazing. And whether it's CooperWeb, get back on the box this weekend and more, flyracing.com. For more information, I want to thank the folks at GET, 100% Maxxis Tires, Seat Concepts, ASV Inventions, all on board with us as well. And we're going to give away a pair of 100% goggles today on the show to a lucky caller. Pulp30MX is the code to save at 100%, a San Diego based company with deep, deep roots in moto. Of course, Jet Lawrence running the goggles, CooperWeb, many other riders in the pits wearing 100% goggles. They got casual sunnies, they got sport sunglasses. I wear this stuff mountain biking. It works great. Casual wear, all of it. Pulp30MX code is saved with the folks at 100%. So thank you to those guys for coming on the show. Code PulpMX to save at Flyracing. Don't forget, next week, Friday, live show in Denver. Myself, Weege and JB are doing a live show in Denver Friday night. Tickets are available on pulpmx.com. Got some special guests coming in as well. I think AC is going to join us for a little bit. So again, tickets on sale. Oriental Theater in Denver Friday night. Get some tickets and have a good time. Why don't you? Also, pulpmx LCQ raffle is going on. We got a few more weeks before we get that thing set. We're hoping to reach a million bucks in that thing total giving away since we started it. And we're on the way right now. So you can win a 2026 YZ450F. Thank you to the Yamaha guys for doing that. We got 22 other prizes. 100% of the money goes to the privateers, which is awesome, man. So please check out that LCQ raffle if you can and support those guys, man. We love the privateers, right? So we got some wild cards. Let me pick for that and more. 702-586-7857, Working the Cameras, PulpMex app, PulpMex fantasy app. V, Travis Marks, what's up, Mark Stark?

Speaker 3:
[04:11] Hello, Stephen. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2:
[04:13] Oh, thanks for coming in.

Speaker 3:
[04:14] Just my favorite place to be on Thursday at 11 o'clock.

Speaker 2:
[04:17] We're a little behind on the LCQ raffle. We are a little behind. A little behind. We need to get a little bit of a kickstart, maybe a kick in the pants of some sort. We got to get these guys the money.

Speaker 4:
[04:27] We got to get these guys the money, hit that million dollar mark.

Speaker 3:
[04:31] I think we'll get there.

Speaker 2:
[04:31] All right. I hope so. It's better than I thought. I was panicking.

Speaker 3:
[04:35] No, you do every year.

Speaker 2:
[04:36] I know. I panic every year, but...

Speaker 3:
[04:38] Every year, I tell you.

Speaker 2:
[04:40] This one felt like real panic, though. But we're not bad. We're not bad.

Speaker 5:
[04:43] You know, let's check in another week and I'll tell you if the panic is warranted or not.

Speaker 2:
[04:47] Okay. LCQ raffle. Let's help these private tiers, all right? Top 17 in the LCQ points go. And then we picked two wild cards so far, Crockett Meyers, Preston Masiangelo as well. They're going to ride their 250s in this LCQ race. VIRB guys are going to stream it. So it should be a good time. I take your call to hold things down there in the corner, the e-mountain bike specialist, the Tis Legendary. What's up, guys?

Speaker 6:
[05:08] Hello, sir.

Speaker 2:
[05:08] Glad to be back.

Speaker 6:
[05:09] Glad to actually have a show this week.

Speaker 2:
[05:11] Well, we were busy last week. Are you ever coming back to the pulp show?

Speaker 1:
[05:16] Talon doesn't seem to want me back. I offer my services and he doesn't take me up on it. So I just say, okay.

Speaker 2:
[05:22] But what's the passion for?

Speaker 1:
[05:24] I mean, I'd like to be there. I've tried, but I'm not the boss anymore, believe it or not.

Speaker 7:
[05:29] Talk to Talon.

Speaker 2:
[05:30] I do not believe you.

Speaker 7:
[05:31] Oh, you don't?

Speaker 4:
[05:31] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[05:32] Not the point about I want to be there. I tried.

Speaker 4:
[05:34] Oh, okay.

Speaker 2:
[05:34] That part.

Speaker 5:
[05:35] Well, I mean, try is all relative, right?

Speaker 2:
[05:36] Like how hard did I try? Yeah, that's true. All right. Let's get to our first guest of the day here at Fly Racing Motosixty Show. He's won the supercross titles, motocross titles, and now he's a beta ambassador. The Zach Osborne. What's up, Zacho?

Speaker 4:
[05:53] Good evening, Steve. You could probably intro me as Taylor Mudo's coworker now. That'd probably be sufficient.

Speaker 2:
[05:59] We... People wanted more Mudo. We brought him more Mudo. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[06:02] They love him. They love him.

Speaker 2:
[06:04] Yeah. He's good though. He was good on it. He was funny to listen to. So, you know, he... Yeah, I mean, he tried to be a two-stroke team manager. That didn't work. So maybe the media job.

Speaker 4:
[06:14] That was a rough weekend.

Speaker 2:
[06:17] What have you been doing, Zacho? What have you been riding? What have you been prepping for? What's going on with Loretta's stuff? Like, what's new in your world?

Speaker 4:
[06:24] Yeah, nothing new, really. I'm probably going to do a J-Day this weekend in South Carolina. Went up and did a school, a riding school, something I don't really ever do, but I really enjoyed it last weekend at Top Gun, which is Cooper's new track. Hadn't been there since 2000, I think, with my buddy Austin Struve, who lived right down the street. His parents still live right down the street. Like, I don't know, half a mile away. So yeah, it was a good time. Went mountain biking with my little guy. We went up there on Thursday, did some mountain biking, rode Saturday, rode Sunday. It was really fun.

Speaker 2:
[06:58] Oh, cool. Good to know. What'd you ride, 450?

Speaker 4:
[07:01] Yeah, I rode the 450. Two strokes getting a little service right now for the regional, which is in a couple of weeks. So yeah, I haven't been riding a ton, but here and there. And I think probably June will start like my real dig, I guess you would say.

Speaker 2:
[07:16] We'll get there when it's time.

Speaker 4:
[07:18] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[07:19] All right, let's talk the big news, I guess, this week. Justin Barsha coming back for the Ducati team. Obviously, A1 crash knocked him out. It's been a long road back for him. Where do you see him fitting in? Like to me, I think like Colt Nichols-ish top 10 somewhere around there?

Speaker 4:
[07:37] Exactly that.

Speaker 2:
[07:38] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[07:38] All right. Nine to 12, I think that's exactly where I was putting him. I was thinking that you're probably going to ask me that. But yeah, I think that's realistic. I think that'd be a solid kind of return. Probably not a lot of expectation placed on him right now with kind of the situation that he had been in and everything. So I think that's realistic. Unless it rains, he might win.

Speaker 2:
[08:00] Yeah. Yeah. We brought that up for sure.

Speaker 4:
[08:02] You literally never know.

Speaker 2:
[08:04] Yeah. Blair brought that up on our show. Here's the thing though too, and obviously Justin's a world class racer, he's won a bunch of stuff. But I don't always think of this, but I probably need to keep this in mind more, Zacho. Levi Kitchen, big crash at Daytona last year, scary one too. He comes back, has a so-so outdoors until the end. Then he comes on and then he tells me in an interview, he's like, hey, honestly, that Daytona crash really got to me mentally. It was a big one and I was really hurt and I thought about all these things run through my mind of what could have been happened and all of this. Then, I mean, in this case with Barsha, I think he's been okay to come back sooner than he has, but I think the whole thing, just he needed just some time. I think Zach in the media, the fans, we don't think of this stuff. It's just insane on a level where if you follow mainstream sports, it'll be like, hey, he tore his ACL, he's out for six months. Hey, in Moto, you tore your ACL, see you in three months or whatever. The things that you guys do, the things you push through are incredible compared to normal people slash normal sports. But then, Zach, you have the mental part of it that no one really thinks about.

Speaker 4:
[09:21] Yeah. You got to have the memory of a goldfish, really. I had one of those scary ones in 2020 that really almost finished me off. To be honest with you, I wouldn't have been surprised to see Barsha stop after that. That's pretty wild circumstances. It was just a freaking violent, brutal crash. Obviously, he's getting a little older. I was 50-50 on whether he would return at all. But yeah, I think you don't want to go out like that. You don't want to finish on that note. So I'm happy to see him come back and do some more racing.

Speaker 2:
[09:59] It's just we may not see the Barsha of old. We don't know.

Speaker 4:
[10:03] We don't know. You may see something better though too. It's hard to tell.

Speaker 2:
[10:08] No, I know.

Speaker 4:
[10:08] That's just riders in general, I think. Speaking from experience and speaking to myself, I guess you'd say. But yeah, I think you'll be fine.

Speaker 2:
[10:20] Dylan Ferrandes, he didn't score that well on the weekend in Cleveland Triple Crown, but he rode well again. He rode up through the back. He passed a bunch of guys. Dylan has been quietly pretty good the last few races. Zach, I know you work with him a little bit. Has his mood been better? Has everything, have you noticed him just being just more enthusiastic? I interviewed him after Nashville and it was maybe the happiest I've seen him since he won the championship. Like, the guy was stoked. But take us through that a little bit. His improvement.

Speaker 4:
[10:49] Yeah, I can attest to that. After Nashville, he was like, you know, finally in a spot where he felt like he could grow with the bike, whereas like the past four or five races before that, it was like they would make a change and already by the end of the weekend, he was like at the edge of that change needing more, you know, and Nashville, I felt like was a huge step in the right direction for them and for him and just mindset, confidence where he was at seemed really good. Last weekend, he told me that kind of like the bike almost has too much traction at times, like where he can't slide it. So they're working on that a little bit. And it's been a huge experience for everyone involved, I think, which is to be expected with opening a new brand and just figuring that all out in one year. But his mood is better, I think he's in a better spot as far as the bike goes. His health is back. Last year we struggled with that a lot and just kind of the fatigue and burnout that he had dealt with from years prior. And yeah, I think he's in a better spot. I really believe that he can, with the right circumstances, with the right start. At Nashville, I feel like, had he not had that off track, he was going to be there for the podium, you know? So, it's definitely improving. Thumb injury with the loss of three races was not great. It set him back a decent bit. But yeah, now I feel like they're kind of on an upswing.

Speaker 2:
[12:16] Yeah, it looks like it. He just looks spicier. Like I said, this weekend he got eighth or whatever, but he just looked better than he had been, you know?

Speaker 4:
[12:24] We were kind of laughing at him at the gym on Tuesday because he went 8.88 for ninth, I think, which is horrendous.

Speaker 2:
[12:30] Tough to do, tough to do.

Speaker 4:
[12:31] Yeah, yeah. Especially at a Triple Crown. Normally 8.88 will get you like fifth or sixth, you know? But yeah, whatever. It's good fun. He's been digging and the team has to, to be fair, like they have not given up. They've listened to his feedback. He's very finicky, very not, I don't want to say picky, but you know, he knows what he wants and he knows whether it is or isn't, you know?

Speaker 2:
[12:56] He's not easy to work for. He's a good guy. He's not easy to work for. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[12:59] Yeah. Well, you know, and I can kind of understand it, like from a rider perspective, he puts in a lot and he expects everyone around to put in a lot and he holds that standard high and holds those guys accountable and everyone around him, including myself. But yeah, I was at the track with him yesterday and I feel like he's headed in the right direction.

Speaker 2:
[13:20] I called him for a sneaky podium guy outdoors. Like I'm not saying all the time or whatever, but he might, that top end on that Desmo and him being an outdoor champ, him feeling better. We might get a better Dylan outdoors.

Speaker 4:
[13:34] Yeah, I think you're going to get a better Dylan than say last year for sure. Or even the year before, health-wise. And I think that his bike is fast. I know it's fast. So some good starts and his outdoor prowess. I think he can be pretty good.

Speaker 2:
[13:51] All right. Well, the nail in the coffin of Tomex Championships happened in Cleveland. He was already pretty far back but crashed out. And years from now, Zacho's scholars will study this and just wonder what happened.

Speaker 4:
[14:07] Yeah, I really don't know.

Speaker 2:
[14:11] No, nobody does.

Speaker 4:
[14:12] I don't know, man. I don't know. And I don't know where it went. Kind of, if you look back, it was just like the just Birmingham, Maine and then implosion really, you know?

Speaker 2:
[14:23] Birmingham, Maine got on the box but got dropped and then passed by Kenny. But that was like an eyebrow raise. Like, wait, what? You know? Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[14:31] Like 30 seconds down to Hunter and he was with Hunter at one point, right? Like he was not far off. So like, yeah, I mean, that was like, I was kind of like, oh, wow. And then, yeah, I just heard like he's getting arm pump and this and that. But it's so strange. Like at that point in the season was the form that he had at the beginning of the year. Like it's just wild.

Speaker 2:
[14:53] It's one of the more bizarre seasons that I can remember. I've been around a long time. The fastest man, I mean, James was the fastest man, but he would cartwheel. So you're like, okay, stop cartwheeling, but he couldn't. And the fastest man should have had more wins than he did than the four he did get to just that. Just with no injury that we know of, no break, no new model of bike, nothing to point to.

Speaker 4:
[15:22] I don't think he's injured. I genuinely don't think he's injured. He would have come out with something before that to just answer the question, I think. But I just don't think he was injured. I don't know. I mean, obviously, now he is, but I don't think that was the issue.

Speaker 2:
[15:36] Right. Maxxis tires on board with us as well. Great mountain bike tires, Moto tires, Vince Freeze. He got more Lapper points, license points given to him this weekend, but he was on his Maxxis tires. Mitchell Harrison, Luke Clout, putting in near the top 10 of Maxxis tires. They got these new ones. The MXSTs were developed a few years ago, but they got these new tires that are really, really good. The front tire is much improved. So check out maxxis.com the next time you need a Moto tire. Vince Freeze, Mitchell Harrison, Luke Clout, putting in the main events, putting in your top 10s with the Maxxis tires, and of course, mountain bike tires, side-by-side tires, all of that, available at maxxis.com. Okay, one point, three races to go. We don't know about the weather this weekend, but break it down, Zacho. I should have texted you this beforehand, but break down Kenny's strengths and weaknesses with three to go and Hunter's strength and weaknesses with three to go as you see it sitting from the couch with Philly, Denver, Salt Lake to go.

Speaker 4:
[16:35] Well, I'll go Kenny first. What Kenny has going for him is momentum. Mr. Momentum has changed his address last weekend. You know, it happened a little bit a couple of races ago when he got it down to four, went back the other way. And now, like, Kenny's holding the ball in my opinion. I think he is in a good spot. I think he has a bike that he believes in. I don't think he's adjusting things daily. I just see him in a little bit different mindset at this point in the season than we've ever seen him before. You know, he has looked like this many times in the past, up until there was a little mistake or whatever. And he had that, right? At the one point, I think he was 24 down. Yeah. And he's come back from that, stayed in it, you know? So Kenny, to me, his biggest strengths are his bike setup is the same every weekend. And the fact that he has, you know, found this whatever mental strength or whatever you want to call it. Weaknesses, I don't see many right now. I don't know that he can outright catch Hunter from behind. As we saw a couple of times, but I think Kenny holds the keys. For Hunter, I think his starts have been a huge asset.

Speaker 2:
[18:04] He's two positions better than Kenny at the white stripe average.

Speaker 4:
[18:08] Right, and that's a lot. When you pass those two guys faster and Kenny's behind them one more lap, and then you have a four second gap, that's massive, and that's happened quite a few times. I think that that can bail him out in this race. But his weakness is when it goes bad, he cannot stop it going bad. I just haven't seen him have any major issues and then not have another issue instantly after that.

Speaker 2:
[18:42] Right, right. Yeah, it's the tale of really three races for Hunter. First one amazing, second one as the weather got worse, he got a little worse, and then the starts. Lars talked about on Monday show about the great and being a little wet and they didn't quite maybe quite have their RPM slash body positioning down on wet grates even though they weren't soaked, they were damp, and I think there is a little bit. Yeah, it doesn't take much. I think there is something to that on what they were saying about that. So, we did have some YouTube question from Cali74. I mean, Zach, you could probably go on for 30 minutes about this, but here's the question. What has Kawasaki done wrong? There must be something within the frame that really good racers just can't get over. If the team is as smart and as great as you say, then this wouldn't be a thing for two of the top racers.

Speaker 4:
[19:35] Yeah, where do you start on that? I don't think that they've done anything wrong. And I also, you know, I've not been around to the ton. I'm not on the inside. I don't want to portray that at all, but they have made a lot of efforts, especially, you know, I don't know the Jorge situation at all. Obviously, I'm here in Florida and I see it a couple of times a week, but they have moved a lot of manpower and a lot of muscle around to make it happen for him. And I don't know why it's not happening. I don't know, you know, from the outside, like from my standpoint, from how I raced and what I did in my career and how I set my bike up and stuff, I don't understand how it can be that bad. I don't understand how you can be that far away from what you're looking for on any modern day force road.

Speaker 2:
[20:35] I'm with you, but this ain't going well.

Speaker 4:
[20:38] It ain't going well. It's the panic button. I hit the panic button a couple weeks ago when I had said that to you, which was like around four or five, but I mean, it's a long-term deal, you know?

Speaker 2:
[20:50] Yeah. Kyle's on one. Let's get to him. Kyle, welcome to The Fly Racing Moto 60 Show. What's your question for Zacho?

Speaker 3:
[20:58] Hey, so with this possibly being a mother this weekend and Kenny just now getting his clut situation figured out, I was wondering, with the possibility of his downfall being his kickstart and, you know, the mud obviously increasing the possibility of dropping the bike, would it be a smart move to possibly put an auto-clutch on his other bike and maybe alternate the two and qualifying just in case there is a mutter?

Speaker 2:
[21:33] I don't think so, Zacho. I don't think you can just do that. Those auto-clutches are kind of different. They're kind of neat. But they do react to the bike differently. So no, I'd say no.

Speaker 4:
[21:41] I mean, what would be the benefit of an auto-clutch just like the chance of stalling it?

Speaker 2:
[21:47] Yeah, exactly. You got to kickstart it.

Speaker 4:
[21:48] I mean, unless it's like super muddy, the chance of stalling it is pretty low. But I mean, yeah, it's also not very easy to, you know, the things are very finicky at this level. And to change that at this point is going to change so, so much. So I don't, I think you just got to take the risk and know, you know, maybe turn the idle up a little bit or something just to help ensure that it doesn't stall. But that's not on my list of concerns for a guy like Ken Roxton.

Speaker 2:
[22:19] Yeah, I'm with, I'm with Zach O'Alex. I don't know how you can really prepare all that bad. I'm looking at the weather. It doesn't look like a full mudder. At least.

Speaker 4:
[22:26] Oh, yeah, it does. Half an inch throughout the day on Saturday.

Speaker 2:
[22:29] Oh, okay. So I checked a couple of days ago. So, yeah. All right. Thanks, Alex. Thanks for the call, man. Appreciate it.

Speaker 8:
[22:34] Thank you.

Speaker 2:
[22:34] Thank you. David's on three. He wants to talk some Triumph. What's up, David?

Speaker 8:
[22:39] Hey, thanks for taking my call today.

Speaker 2:
[22:41] Yeah.

Speaker 8:
[22:42] First off, I hope Kenny gets it because he well-deserved after all everything he's been through. But anyways, so what you guys is feeling on the 450 outdoors with the Triumph is how's Jordan going to do outside on it? And is it Ferrez that's coming back to ride? No.

Speaker 2:
[23:01] Harup. Harup's going to ride. Harup. Harup.

Speaker 8:
[23:04] I'm sorry.

Speaker 2:
[23:05] Harup, I think, will beat Jordan. What do you think, Zacho?

Speaker 4:
[23:10] I think so, yeah. I don't know that much about the situation. I don't know. Smitty, I know, is struggling with it a little bit. I do a bit of sim racing with him. And they're working on it, you know, but it doesn't just doesn't seem to be hitting yet a little bit the same as Dylan. Like, you know, there's a lot of development to be done there, a lot to play with, move around. And I think they just haven't hit that yet. But I know, having ridden the Triumph a few years ago, I think the chassis is super, super good outdoors. And I think that it will be easier to set the bike up, for sure.

Speaker 2:
[23:45] Yeah, I think, look, I think this is a learning year for them. I think they're going to go for a big fish next year, David. And they're going to work on the bike and get it working. And Harup will, I think Harup will be some top fives, maybe, five to ten, though, most of the time, in my eyes. And he'll probably be a little bit better than Jordan. So.

Speaker 8:
[24:04] Okay. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2:
[24:06] Yeah. Thanks for calling. Appreciate it. 702-586-757. Got a few lines open still. Giving away a pair of 100% goggles on the show. Thank you to ASV Inventions. The Code Pulpamex, all caps, saves with those guys. They support Ken Roxton. They support the Orange Brigade amateur team, and as well as the KJSC, the official lever for those guys as well. Code Pulpamex, all caps, saves you with them. Their products are tested and used by top AMA pro racers and teams. And again, they're super stoked to be partnered with the Pipes Motorsports guys this year, as Kenny is one point back. Check out ASV, check out their new products that they have. And Pulpamex code, all caps, saves you with those guys. Zach Osborne here on The Fly Racing Moto 60 Show. Okay, 250 East, Cole Davies can clinch this weekend, but I more want to talk about Seth Hammacher. You know, like, we all saw it, Seth's been basically getting caught and passed by Cole almost every week. And then to me, Seth's been upside down two weeks in a row, multiple times, pushing hard. There's no giving the dude. He's absolutely been like a crash test dummy lately. And I do wish, like, I'm just like, how frustrated was Seth Hammacker be, Zacho? I guess is the question.

Speaker 4:
[25:20] Yeah, I think he's pretty flustered. You know, I didn't realize, but he's 25 years old, about to be 26. That's crazy to me. I thought he was like 22, 23. So time's ticking to be so close last year and have it, you know, taken away or whatever you want to say. I think, you know, he felt like this was his year, but Davies has just been faster. And I think Seth's crashes are kind of a, sort of a testament to his will and want to, but also a testament to Cole's speed and him, you know, Seth having to be on the edge.

Speaker 2:
[26:00] Yeah, it's, it's, yeah, I agree. Like, I think if you're Cole, like he rode all right in Cleveland. The second main was weird. He just kind of rode around, but, you know, got on the box. It's good enough for sure. But to me, like, dude, he's got Seth covered multiple ways in the outside of the whoops, all of it. Like, yeah, man, what are you going to do?

Speaker 4:
[26:22] It's like, yeah, and I just don't think that the BC bike quite is as good as a star bike. I mean, obviously on power, but I think, you know, when I watch even guys who are, let's say not less skilled, but less experienced than Seth riding whoops and, like, just little tiny handling details that I see, I just don't think the bike is quite as good.

Speaker 2:
[26:50] Yeah. I think you're probably right, right? And I think the gap might get bigger outdoors, you know?

Speaker 4:
[26:55] The one thing that it does unbelievably well is off. Like, it'll get off of the tabletop about as good as any bike I've ever seen. But other than that, I think the star bike is superior everywhere else.

Speaker 2:
[27:08] How about star going five for five on the podium with their riders in Cleveland?

Speaker 4:
[27:12] Yeah, that's rad. That's rad. Obviously, it would have been ultimate if it would have been one, two in the 450 class. But yeah, to do that with a team is pretty incredible.

Speaker 2:
[27:19] Yeah, I think it's pretty cool for all those guys. Yeah, really, really good.

Speaker 4:
[27:24] I mean, I remember when PC used to do that quite often every now and then, you know, once every couple of years or whatever, but they didn't have a 450 team. So it's another step up.

Speaker 2:
[27:33] Yeah, Briggs is on one. What's up, Briggs?

Speaker 5:
[27:36] Hey, boys. Steve, I'm getting pretty accurate with some of these calls I've made. I called George last year way before going to KTM, and then how the whole Sexton, Prado, E-Life thing was going to come out, and now I heard you yesterday speak on, or actually on your, with Blair about him leaving Cowie, and I said that earlier, you guys are like, no way. My question is for-

Speaker 2:
[28:02] I'm not saying he's leaving Cowie. I'm not saying he's leaving Cowie, but yes, there's more stuff around that that I found out that makes me think that could, could be a possibility.

Speaker 4:
[28:13] For what?

Speaker 2:
[28:15] I don't know, man. I don't know. Other teams, other, other places, Zach. I don't know.

Speaker 4:
[28:21] Like which one?

Speaker 2:
[28:22] Well, I'll star Yamaha for one.

Speaker 5:
[28:25] I, that's what I said because he has monster money. Monster showed with Prado that they were willing to let him take the money and run. And he used to be a big guy, which I didn't realize until I heard the podcast. So to me that star potentially aligns. My question for you two guys is going into a mud weekend, would you rather have Kenny Suzuki with a Kickstart, or would you rather have Hunter's Honda, probably the most technology, technologically advanced bike on the line?

Speaker 4:
[28:56] I would rather have Hunter's bike a 100 weekends out of 10, so.

Speaker 2:
[29:01] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[29:02] Okay.

Speaker 5:
[29:03] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[29:04] Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I think so. I mean, Kenny's as happy as it can be, right? But yeah.

Speaker 4:
[29:07] Yeah, but I think he, like, I had this conversation with some of my buddies this morning. They're asking me about, like, you know, does Kenny winning on this bike prove that older bikes are better, blah, blah, blah? And I was like, well, one thing is Kenny doesn't change it very often. So he's been riding this setting for a long time. His brain has so much feedback from it. But he's also very headstrong in the fact that he thinks it's the best bike. And as we've seen before, he is a little bit mental, as all riders are. I'm not saying it's just him. But yeah, I think he's probably the only man on earth who's madly in love with the Suzuki 450.

Speaker 2:
[29:42] Yeah. I mean, Zacho, we were talking about on our show, like, I think there's something to the fact that he leaves the bike alone and he's so happy, knows exactly what it's going to do good and bad, even though it's 2019, I think, 2018. But, and me, as a former mechanic that hated all this blaming of the bikes and setup and all of the stuff that has been used as crutches over the years, is sometimes right, but most times not. But then I have to concede, Zacho, on the flip side, it's just Kenny Roxton is a freak and maybe one of the most top five talented riders in the world.

Speaker 4:
[30:17] There's literally the words out of my mouth when I was in the group chat this morning with my buddies, like, he is headstrong in all directions, you know, whether it's good or bad. So I agree, I think he's the only man that can ride that thing the way that he does.

Speaker 2:
[30:33] Yeah, like I would love to sit here and be like, oh, it's, you know, the bike stuff, which I think there's something to that. There's some of that. But for the most part is Ken Roxton being one talented dude. Yeah. So, all right, Briggs, thanks, man. Thanks for the call. Have a good day, guys. Thank you. Appreciate it. Zach Osborne here. GNCC podium guy, supercross champion, motocross champion, all of that. All right, Zach, also let's talk a little bit about Landon Gordon. Second place. Good job for that kid. He looked really good at Nashville. And I mean, it just kind of goes back like, you know, hey, it is what it is. But when you look at Dudney being benched, Gordon coming in, I think he had a bit of an injury from a SMX next in Houston, I think. But the point being is they kind of made the wrong call there a little bit.

Speaker 4:
[31:21] You mean in putting Dudney in?

Speaker 2:
[31:23] Yeah, and not putting Gordon in?

Speaker 4:
[31:25] I don't know, man. Dudney had good speed to start with, but I think he took some of those super cross knocks and it pulled him back a little bit. Yeah. Like, what was the first round? Dallas. He was pretty fast. Like, I don't think they made the wrong call. I don't know that I would have put him on the bench, but it looks good now, right? Like, they made the right decision. So, yeah, I don't know if it was the wrong call to put Dudney in because he does have good speed. He had, what did he get the one motor outdoors? Like, six or something like that.

Speaker 2:
[31:54] Yeah. He's a better outdoor guy than indoor guy, I think.

Speaker 4:
[31:56] I don't know. I have no idea. I have zero history on him.

Speaker 2:
[31:59] Right. Yeah, I just, Gordon's been great. This is second. Like, he looked really good.

Speaker 4:
[32:04] Yeah, he did. He looked awesome and I saw him kind of coming up to the amateur ranks and really good form, really good style, seems like a good kid. You know, I was stoked to see that. I was surprised by it, but I was stoked to see it.

Speaker 2:
[32:18] Yeah. Yeah, I agree, right? We'll see how he does in Philly this weekend. All right, Zach Oat, now comes the time to where you have to pick the winners and tell us what's going to happen.

Speaker 4:
[32:31] I don't know. I love Seth's fighting spirit, so I'm going to go Seth Hammacher for a big bounce back home win.

Speaker 2:
[32:36] Hometown race, yeah, hometown race.

Speaker 4:
[32:37] Yeah. And I think Hunter wins, and it's a big point swing one way or the other.

Speaker 2:
[32:45] Oh, really? Yeah?

Speaker 4:
[32:46] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[32:47] Okay. And how might do you think it's going to be?

Speaker 4:
[32:50] I hope it goes down to Salt Lake with zero points. Like, that's what I want to see, but.

Speaker 2:
[32:54] Right, right, right.

Speaker 4:
[32:55] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[32:56] Fair enough. All right. Hold on. Before we let you go, let's bring in our next guest, the Jason Wigand. What's up, Weege?

Speaker 9:
[33:02] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[33:03] You have any questions for Zacco before we let him go?

Speaker 9:
[33:07] Oh, how many? I mean, I don't think we would be able to let him go.

Speaker 4:
[33:12] Let's hear it.

Speaker 9:
[33:15] Zacco.

Speaker 7:
[33:16] Oh, okay. Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[33:17] Oh, you want it.

Speaker 4:
[33:18] All right.

Speaker 9:
[33:19] Do you feel like there is a, I'm going to give you a big one here and you got to try to not do take up a half hour doing this.

Speaker 4:
[33:25] Great.

Speaker 9:
[33:26] When you watch certain guys ride these days, do you feel like there is a natural evolution of riding style that happens over whatever couple of years span and do you see like, when you watch the SMX next guys or the younger 250 guys, can you be like, oh yeah, I can tell they're all trying to do X. Does that happen in the sport?

Speaker 4:
[33:43] Absolutely. I noticed it even last weekend at the amateur level during that school at Top Gun. I'm like, wow, like this has changed so much in just three years of these kids. I actually said it out loud like of these kids watching TV and trying to emulate this stuff. And one of the dads was like, yeah, that and a lot of training. Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[34:05] Well, I'll take that one to perfect it. But yes, they are all copying in a way, which is not absolute. I'm not saying copying in a bad way. Yeah. Interesting.

Speaker 4:
[34:14] You know, with that, I do question whether the speed has truly moved on or not.

Speaker 9:
[34:22] I almost feel like it's two different things, right? I feel like, okay, let's just say what we all need to say here. They're all trying to ride like jet lorries, I think, right? That's got to be that is true.

Speaker 4:
[34:32] Jet is an incredible, incredible athlete, super fast. But I do question, you know, if they're going so much faster, air quotes, that, you know, this technique is a must, then how are guys like Cooper Webb still a factor? How are guys, Eli, in my opinion, was doing this technique long before Jet was, and just wasn't as noticed, because his style is just a little different, a little bit more, I don't know, let's say rugged or whatever, but Eli was the original foot guy, I've said that many times, but I doubt that the speed has moved on as much as people want to give it credit for, with the technique, otherwise those guys would be not a factor anymore, and that's just not the case.

Speaker 9:
[35:16] That's a good point, yeah, I agree. I think they all want to look like Jet Lawrence, but that doesn't necessarily guarantee that you're going to be Jet Lawrence.

Speaker 4:
[35:24] Maybe it looks safer, more controllable, but it absolutely is more controllable and more of a let's say air-quotes safe way of riding and controlling the motorcycle, but I don't know that the speed has moved on as much as people think.

Speaker 2:
[35:41] All right, Jaco, thanks for the time on The Fly Racing Moto60 Show, buddy, and we'll talk to you next week. Thanks, Jaco.

Speaker 4:
[35:46] Thanks.

Speaker 2:
[35:47] All right, V. Jason Wigand on The Fly Racing Moto60 Show, code PULPAMEX to save at flyracing.com. And don't forget, get, get, two-stroke CDIs, four-stroke ECUs, Honda HRC using the get products on across their whole line. And if you have one of those fuel-injected two-stroke things, the get ECU, the get CDI is a must-have. Email us using the contact form on PULP. We'll pass you on a discount for whatever it is for ignition. Get, get, it works really well. So thank you to those guys for coming on board. Weave, did you, in regards to the plane ride topic that we've talked about a little bit with me, did you come around? Did JB convince you? Or are you still Team Steve with all of this?

Speaker 9:
[36:27] First of all, don't make it sound like I'm anti-JB on any topic ever. That was a really sly way to try to throw this in there. Don't make me do this.

Speaker 2:
[36:36] Okay.

Speaker 9:
[36:37] I just feel like you can't, if you and Eli had nothing going on at all, and he was on your show three weeks ago, and he was on all the time, and you were talking all the time, it would be weird to not give him the what's up. But I still feel like there is some water that needs to go under the bridge, or whatever you would use the term. I don't know if you can hatch that out on a plane, and I also don't think until it gets hatched out, you can be like, hey, what's up?

Speaker 2:
[37:00] Thank you. Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[37:01] Yeah. Well, you can. He- What's up would be being too faced, to be honest.

Speaker 2:
[37:06] Kind of. Okay. Well, glad to see.

Speaker 9:
[37:10] You're pretending that you're cool with me? I don't think you do that.

Speaker 2:
[37:14] Right.

Speaker 9:
[37:15] All right.

Speaker 2:
[37:15] Well, JB, wrong. Again, as usual, so.

Speaker 9:
[37:19] I do this.

Speaker 2:
[37:21] Hey, so we saw you in Cleveland doing the live announcing, obviously for Lurch, the year's long guy that's been there. TV's better, probably pays better. It's more high profile. You probably like it better. But do you genuinely enjoy the live stuff? Look, you're great. You're an amazing announcer, live, on tape, whatever. I hate to admit that, but you really are. Do you enjoy the live stuff or is it more of a gig for you?

Speaker 9:
[37:49] It's slowly becoming more fun and less of a job.

Speaker 2:
[37:54] Okay.

Speaker 9:
[37:54] I had not done that type of thing in so long.

Speaker 2:
[37:57] Right.

Speaker 9:
[37:58] When I first, I think 2023 maybe, 2024. I think 2023 was the first time that had me doing it. I've not done anything like that in a long time. There was this assumption on, I think, Fells and like, well, you do the TV show, so this will be easier for you. So this is no big deal. I'm like, no, no, no, no. You have to treat me like a new guy. Do not take for granted that there's anything that I already know. You have to over tell me and explain everything. Just because I'm a TV guy doesn't mean that there's five things of this job that no one told me and I'm going to screw up. I was honestly more worried about messing this job up than the TV, which I could probably do at sleep, because I've done so many reps. So it's taken, and I'm only doing three or four a year. So it's finally getting to the point this year where I'm like, okay, I'm not going to miss anything. I'm not going to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm not going to screw it up. And then it starts becoming fun. Is it as fun as TV? No, because everyone on earth wants a bigger audience. If you're going to do the same amount of work, you'd rather have more people see it or hear it or whatever. But I would say this year is the first time I can say it's actually fun. It did feel 100% like work the last couple of years until probably this year.

Speaker 2:
[39:08] Okay. All right. Yeah. Interesting. So yeah, get more into it as far as that goes.

Speaker 9:
[39:13] And they have me doing less. I don't know. Every year, there's less and less that the announcer does and more and more the voice of God yelling and just let the music go. So that's making it easier on me.

Speaker 2:
[39:24] By the way, Jason Wigandt here on Monday night for the Pop-up Mechs show, everybody. So stay tuned. Co-hosting. Are you out that night? Did I get you? Are you in and out? I don't even remember. Are you staying?

Speaker 9:
[39:33] Yeah. I believe I'm flying that day and fly out that night. Amazing.

Speaker 2:
[39:36] Typical way you do it. So let me start with this before I get into the title fight. Three to go. Anything can happen. I don't think Cooper Webb gets a win. He can. It's 60-40, 70-30. Let's say that he doesn't get a win. So let's just go off that. If you strongly feel different, you can tell me. How is his title defense year going to be remembered? When you think about it, what are you going to think about with the number one, three-time champ and how he did it? To me, I'll start, it's difficult because I think he's written pretty well. He said he's riding better than last year. I'm not sure I believe that. But he has written very well. His starts haven't been there. It's just odd to see if he doesn't get a win, a defending champ go through the year without a win.

Speaker 9:
[40:27] Well, I mean, first, he technically did win a triple crown. I don't know what you're saying.

Speaker 2:
[40:32] He got a win, right. I guess not across the finish line, right?

Speaker 9:
[40:35] Yeah, yeah, okay. I would define it as not good. I honestly feel like this is so weird. I feel like the doubting Cooper Webb or sleeping on Cooper Webb or not respecting Cooper Webb thing got so loud that now everybody wants to be the smart guy who was like, ah, they're not thinking about Cooper Webb. Everybody wants to be that guy now, five years, six years later. So now I almost feel like where before when he was doing awesome, people didn't seem to notice how awesome he was doing. Now I feel like no one, like it hasn't been good. It hasn't been good. He has not been fast enough to win races. It's not just starts. There were, I feel, scenarios he was in this year where he burns those races into wins in previous years that this year he does not. And, but I feel like it's that also hasn't been noticed because the chorus of Don't Sleep on Kruberweb is now so loud that there's like a lag the other direction of being like, huh, he was at every race unhurt all year and he just wasn't fast enough to win. And in previous years, I know the book is that he's not fast or something. He was fast. There were races in the last five minutes of the race where he ate people alive. And we have not seen that in any race this year. Straight up. I haven't seen it.

Speaker 2:
[42:01] He, he speed got better on Yamaha than KTM days, than the KTM titles. I agree with that. And then yes, he has been caught late in races. That never used to happen. He's been in position late in races and couldn't close the deal. Stuff that like you mentioned, he's always been able to do before, so. Yes.

Speaker 9:
[42:19] So I'd say it's been disappointing or it's been not good. And I know the standard is ridiculous. He's still getting on the podium every week. But any of these elite guys or any athlete in any sport, hey, your dumb hockey playoffs just started, Steve, right? The team that ended up losing in the semis and is considered the third or fourth best team that year. Does any fan of that franchise or any player on the team feel like, killed it?

Speaker 2:
[42:43] Yeah. No.

Speaker 9:
[42:45] Fair or unfair, the goal is to win the title. I'm sure Cooper feels the same way. And it's not over. But the 90% of the season that's gone by so far, I'm sure he's like, this is not up to the standard I want for myself first, let alone everybody else.

Speaker 2:
[43:00] In the spirit of the Jake Weimer, Andrew Short battle for top five in points, I shot Koopa Tex and said, hey, you moved into third in the points with Eli being out. Do you have a top three points bonus? And he said, no. And I said, well, Ferry used to have that and he said, yeah, well, I guess I'm too good. And he's probably right. Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[43:22] So no shade on Ferry. I'm just saying if it goes well, the goals will win the title.

Speaker 2:
[43:26] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[43:27] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[43:28] For sure.

Speaker 9:
[43:28] We had Sarah Whitmore working for us at RacerX a couple of weeks ago and this is when Kenny and Koopa were like, I think only three points apart incredibly. This is maybe Birmingham, I think going into Birmingham. She asked Dustin Pipes in the press conference, like, are you even thinking of, hey, we're five points ahead of Koopa Webb for third, is that a thing? He couldn't have cut her off more quickly. He's like, we are not even thinking about third for Kenny. Our goal is to make up 28 points on the points leader.

Speaker 2:
[43:55] Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[43:56] They actually did it, but that shows any of those guys at that level, nah, they don't care about third.

Speaker 2:
[44:02] I had Zacco do this on the earlier call, but now I'll ask you, Weege, Fly Racing Motosixty Show, break down three races to go, break down Hunter and Kenny, strengths and weaknesses as you see it with three to go.

Speaker 9:
[44:17] You're probably getting a lot of the same stuff, a lot of the same people. I really feel like it's almost like you're just making stuff up just to have an answer to that question. Okay. People are probably going to mention the, could elevation affect Kenny physically? People could say, oh, we got open stadiums and now we think Roxton's better in mud than Hunter because what we just saw over the weekend in Cleveland. I don't know. I don't even know if I believe in any of those things. I think at any given weekend, those things could flip. Hunter's got great starts in the Honda, but Roxton has the amazing first lap, which erases most of the problems of starts. He started, I feel like he's been ahead of Hunter early in the race just as often as Hunter's been ahead of him. So honestly, at this point, I really think it comes down to not messing up. Do you really see just having three straight 20-minute mains, 60 minutes of them just one, two on the track, mono, mono, fastest man wins? I don't feel like it's going to come down to that.

Speaker 2:
[45:17] I think they get the wins. I think they get the last three wins in some order, though.

Speaker 9:
[45:23] Yeah, but I mean, will the title come down to they just battled it out insane for three straight mains and the faster guy, whoever it is, just won the race? I feel like it will come down to, the guy tipped over or he crashed or had a bad weekend.

Speaker 2:
[45:37] Bad start, whatever, yeah.

Speaker 9:
[45:39] Yeah, and I do still, I know this is ridiculous, I do still feel that Kenny has to work harder to make sure that he feels good physically. Clearly, he's fixed a lot of the problems he's had, because it's his the best second half of a season he's had, except for like one year ever, right? So clearly, he has pushed back against this he fades thing, and fair to him, he has, but I do still feel like it's a calculated strategy every weekend of making sure that he feels right, or I don't think you worry about that with Hunter. I'm not worried about Hunter showing up for a race and being like, dude, I just felt like crap, like I think Kenny did in Nashville. So when you only have three races, either one of those is one race where he just feels bad, and he gets third, I mean, that could be everything. So I worry about that a little bit, but I think all these things are tiny, tiny, not huge deals.

Speaker 2:
[46:32] Yeah, yep. It should be interesting.

Speaker 9:
[46:34] Have you heard people say, have you heard this? Like, now I'm hearing some theory of like, man, Hunter was so consistent, and now two out of last four races, he said crashes. I don't believe in that either.

Speaker 2:
[46:44] No, I don't either. JT was sort of pushing that a little bit on our review show, and that's fine. JT knows what he's talking about, but this is a whole new thing. We're going into Philly a whole new day, and then we're going into Denver a whole new day. I don't see any, Kenny's won three out of the last four, or whatever. Yeah, I don't see that, but I mean...

Speaker 9:
[47:01] I just don't feel like Hunter's choked. He had a crash in the whoop set. At some point, everybody has one, and then he got bad starts in a rainy race, and chaos happens in those two races.

Speaker 2:
[47:12] And he happened to dominate the first one. He dominated the first one over Ken Roxa, so...

Speaker 9:
[47:16] He did. He actually pulled away. So I don't feel like Kenny's not fading, and Hunter's not choking, and I don't think Hunter sucks in mud, and I don't think Kenny sucks at altitude. I don't think any of these things, there's much in it.

Speaker 2:
[47:27] Right, right. All right, let's get some phone calls here, Fly Racing Moto 60 Show. Get Seat Concepts, 100% Maxxis, ASV, Inventions, all on board with us, Jason Wigandt. All right, first call is Julian about Shimoda and Davies. Julian, what's up? Thanks for the call. What's your question, man?

Speaker 7:
[47:43] Hey man, big fan, Weed Steve, you're all right too.

Speaker 2:
[47:45] All right.

Speaker 7:
[47:47] This one, I meant to call in earlier when you guys were still talking about Davies, but if you were a team manager, and you had to pick Shimoda or Davies to go lead your 450 team Supercross and Outdoors next year, I think you're picking Shimoda, right?

Speaker 2:
[47:59] No, I'm picking Davies. Really? Yeah. He's younger, he's on a better path than Joe. Yeah, Weed.

Speaker 9:
[48:09] Specifically next year, maybe it's Joe, but I don't think anyone's picking just based on one year only. I think everybody thinks Davies ceiling is higher because of the age. Next year? I don't know if he's better than next year on a 450.

Speaker 7:
[48:21] That's fair if you're talking multiple years. I was just thinking next year just performance wise, but does that not show how screwed up the 250 class is? Because Shimada isn't able to get a title done, but I think he's ready for, especially 450 Outdoors. I think Cole's not there yet.

Speaker 2:
[48:36] Joe was really good at his nations on a 450. That was cool to see. He was good.

Speaker 4:
[48:40] I thought so too, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[48:42] Yeah. I think it's too early to say. Davies does not have the outdoor stuff really, although yeah, he did win a Moto. Let's not forget, but yeah, I'm still going Davies. Yeah, I really am, Julian. Okay.

Speaker 4:
[48:55] Yeah. Thank you guys.

Speaker 2:
[48:56] All right. Thanks, man. I appreciate the call. Fly Racing Motosixty Show. We got a Thrasher comment from Drew. What's up, Drew?

Speaker 3:
[49:03] What's up? Thanks for taking my call. I was just wanting to, there's been a lot of talks about Thrasher, deals up this year, wondering where he's going. We've heard about Triumph, and did anyone else notice how much Ricky brought that up, and what his ties to Triumph in last week's race?

Speaker 2:
[49:23] What did he say, Ricky? I didn't notice, no.

Speaker 3:
[49:25] Well, I just feel like he said multiple times, Thrasher's deals up, that's going to be someone great for someone to sign, and just with his ties to Triumph, I wonder if there's-

Speaker 2:
[49:37] Yes. Jeremy Coker's there, right? Coker's there, he used to run Star, Thrasher's up. So I was told that Thrasher and Moseman were told that they were out. On Friday, I talked to a Star guy, and they said, dude, it's Bobby. If Thrasher wins tomorrow, he could get a new three-year deal, and sure enough, he goes and wins. So Drew, I know there's been a talk of that, but I do feel like Thrasher could get re-signed there, yeah. Right.

Speaker 9:
[50:02] I think on a car bike thing, I think since riders almost never give us that kind of transparency, like he said in a press conference on Friday, like, I don't have a deal for next year, I just feel like we so rarely get clear info like that, that everyone in the media, including TV guys like RC., are just like, well, I got something to talk about tomorrow, then, thanks for the huge scoop. So maybe it seems like he's landing in from a Triumph perspective, but I think we're just landing in, because it's like, oh my God, somebody actually told us something for once in their lives.

Speaker 2:
[50:31] Yeah, but Drew, going to Triumph would be the most non-brainer everything for Nate Thrasher, like easy turn, plug and play, you know?

Speaker 4:
[50:40] So, right, right.

Speaker 3:
[50:41] It made me kind of seem like there was maybe something already there, the way he was bringing it up.

Speaker 2:
[50:47] I am sure they've talked. 100% chance.

Speaker 9:
[50:50] Yeah, wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, but I don't think the TV thing indicates, I don't think that he was saying it on TV because of that, but would I be surprised if it happened? Definitely not.

Speaker 2:
[50:59] Drew, do you want some 100% goggles?

Speaker 9:
[51:02] Sure.

Speaker 2:
[51:02] All right, stay on the hold, man. We'll get you those goggles, all right? Thanks for calling The Fly Racing Moto60 Show. Pulp 30 MX code to save with those guys. Next one, Roxen question from Chad. What's up, Chad?

Speaker 4:
[51:14] How's it going, guys?

Speaker 2:
[51:15] Good.

Speaker 4:
[51:18] So my question is, how we see Ken Roxen come, he doesn't really race the motocross series, but then he comes out for like last cup or to race. Do you think him, if he wins this Supercross Championship, do you think he comes out for more outdoors to have a better seating for SMX playoffs?

Speaker 2:
[51:35] It's funny you say that because I just asked somebody close to Kenny that question on Friday, and they said no, they would not be doing any outdoors, and then he waited and said, you know what though? He gets bored. He gets bored in the middle of summer, and so maybe he would come out. So, yeah, so yeah, Weege, I mean, wouldn't be surprised.

Speaker 9:
[51:56] Yeah, I don't think the Supercross title would move the needle either direction for that, but yeah, the other stuff, getting bored, you know, maybe he's watching on TV and he's like, man, I'm missing it. I'd see that. But honestly, I would think if he wins Supercross title, in some ways, I think he might make even less. I know that him and Hunter are going to claim that they're fine with the pressure. But dude, I got to imagine if he pulls this off, that he just going to exhale for about a month. The pressure has got to be immense.

Speaker 2:
[52:22] In years past, he hasn't been as high in SMX seating, so then maybe he wants to get a higher gate pick for the point standings. But if he wins, he's number one, right? So going in the outdoors, so maybe he wouldn't worry as much because he'll have the most points he's ever had.

Speaker 4:
[52:40] Do you think he might retire after this year either?

Speaker 2:
[52:45] I don't think so.

Speaker 9:
[52:46] He gets that number one plate?

Speaker 4:
[52:47] I don't think he would either. But like.

Speaker 2:
[52:51] No, I don't think so either. Alright, thanks for the comment.

Speaker 9:
[52:54] Yeah, I got one more thing for Jason real quick. Yep, yep.

Speaker 4:
[52:57] So Jason, whenever you were announcing for GNCC, do you remember back in Washington, GA when Heather Wilson done the pimp my bike thing?

Speaker 9:
[53:11] Yes, I actually do. Wow, I had forgotten all about it, but yes, yes, that's right.

Speaker 4:
[53:16] That was years ago. That was me. I was racing a KX65 then, and you interviewed me on the podium while it was going on right before we raced at 4 p.m. Oh wow, there you go.

Speaker 9:
[53:29] I 100% remember that was a huge scramble for us because it was awesome that she did that for you. I didn't realize, you know, she's like, I'm gonna help some kid get parts for his bike. That's really cool, but we got nine other podiums to get to. That's wild. How old are you now?

Speaker 4:
[53:42] I will be 32 this year.

Speaker 2:
[53:44] Oh wow. Oh my god, dude. Wow.

Speaker 4:
[53:47] Yeah, that was one of the craziest days of my life and me and Heather still talk to this day. I mean, I live near where Rodney, Porter, Alisdall is in Jackson, Ohio.

Speaker 9:
[54:00] Oh yeah.

Speaker 4:
[54:01] Yeah. And we went out to California back in 2017 and we stopped in San Francisco and hung out with Heather while we were there visiting and caught up a little bit because we hadn't seen each other in a few years.

Speaker 2:
[54:16] Reunited, GCC. There we go.

Speaker 9:
[54:18] Unbelievable. Those are good times. Heather was dominant back then, no doubt.

Speaker 2:
[54:22] Thanks for the call, man.

Speaker 9:
[54:23] Yeah, she was a beast.

Speaker 2:
[54:24] Appreciate it. Thank you. Appreciate it. Yeah, Weege. You went from that, you went from riders ready or whatever the hell to NBC. You know, incredible.

Speaker 9:
[54:34] It was a long time to get there. Let me just say that. It wasn't an overnight since then.

Speaker 2:
[54:37] Yeah, you absolutely were. You were basically milly-viney. Jason, what's up, man?

Speaker 6:
[54:44] Oh, hey guys. Just a quick question or sort of just comment, really. I'm kind of rolling around in my head. I thought maybe I'd share it with you guys because it hasn't really been brought up too much. What if, you know, Tomax titles and everything, he's kind of good with them. He has one that he hasn't got. So if he mailed it in for Supercross and Motocross, takes third to fifth in points, but he's got a good seeding in SMX, if that's his real goal is to just get that title and sail off into the sunset. What do you guys think on that?

Speaker 2:
[55:13] What do you think, Weege?

Speaker 9:
[55:15] I think he wants to win every title he goes for. No one is more important than the other. So if that's the hand he's dealt, sure, if Supercross is obviously out the window to win the title, if Outdoors doesn't go his way, I'm sure he's going to be like, all right, well, I'll try to win this one. But I don't think any more so. It's just whatever series he lines up for. Like we said about Webb, the goal for Tomac is to win. So it's just whatever round one is, that's the goal.

Speaker 2:
[55:42] Do you think you'll see him this weekend, Weege? I mean, it's Thursday, PR would come out today at some point. I don't think we do, right?

Speaker 9:
[55:47] I don't think you'll see him this weekend, but a little bit of insight I got early in the week is I don't think he'll be done for Supercross. I think maybe Denver or Salt Lake, but I think this weekend is a bit of a stretch.

Speaker 2:
[55:58] Yeah, yeah, all right. Cool, man, thanks for the call. Appreciate it. Yeah, thanks. Yeah, I'm with you. I think Eli just wants to win everything. I mean, the SMX million bucks is cool too, right? So, hey, Weege.

Speaker 9:
[56:08] Yeah, but not anymore. So, like, he'll take any of the three or all three.

Speaker 2:
[56:11] Yeah. So, I know you're a big watcher of the Blair Mathis Project Show. We just dropped an episode yesterday, but I did propose this on the show. So, Landon Gordon, I wrote about this in OBS actually. I don't know if you read observations this week, but okay. Landon Gordon, second place, and I kind of was going with the narrative like, shit man, again, I don't follow amateurs that closely. Although, I saw Landon last year at the races that I went to in my chase for Loretta's. He was at all of them. So, I did watch him with Aidan and Vince Way and all of that. So, then he goes to get second, and I'm like, shit man, another kid that got poached from Team Green. The Drew Adams thing isn't really working, although Drew's shown potential and there's nothing, no, we've not make any determination because it's still early, but it's not. Yeah, he could still be good. Yeah, but I'm like, Landon Gordon, wow. So, then I texted a mutual friend of ours who's really deep in the amateur stuff and Team Green and all of that. They're basically like, hey, I don't think Team Green thinks for a second that they let Landon Gordon get away, quote unquote. Maybe Dudney, but not Landon Gordon. This was a surprise. I doubt Landon Gordon is one of these guys going forward and blah, blah, blah. So my narrative of like, shit, another Team Green kid gone was kind of shot down by this person who's more educated on this stuff than I am. What do you think, though?

Speaker 9:
[57:35] Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that. I don't probably know as much as the person who's deep, deep, deep in amateurs as you talk to, but what I would think, at least from the outside, there have been times where Team Green, not with him, but with others, I'm like, man, what happened? They get poached and they're like, it was almost like that worked out awesome for us. We don't know if he was going to be worth a bidding more anyway, so we didn't even have to get into one. I'm not saying they said that about Gordon, but I would not be surprised if that is how they felt. We were not sure entirely and then, well, our hand was forced and we lost them. All going back to the point of, I do feel like this might be considered a bit of a surprise.

Speaker 2:
[58:21] Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[58:22] Yeah. I think that's the point we're trying to make. They knew it was coming and they lost them or they weren't sure it was going to come. So losing them was like a 50-50. I think it's more of that.

Speaker 2:
[58:32] Right. Right. Because it also like-

Speaker 9:
[58:35] It changed his career, dude.

Speaker 2:
[58:37] Timmerman dominates Loretta's and doesn't have a ride. Obviously, he broke his leg, but he didn't have a ride, didn't have a spot. Timmerman didn't. So this person was also saying like, look, they got Timmerman still in the hopper. You know, they obviously think highly of him.

Speaker 7:
[58:49] They actually do, yeah.

Speaker 9:
[58:51] Well, one thing I saw, and my sample size is always small, I really only go to Loretta's, but I saw Dudney and Gordon in the same class when they were both on Team Green, I think two years ago, and Dudney was just a complete other level. So I think that probably was the moment they were like, oh man, we don't want to lose Dudney. And to that end, over the last six months, Steve, doesn't it seem like there's way more Dudney hype than Gordon hype?

Speaker 2:
[59:14] Yeah, yeah, Blair is unbelievably with Dudney. Blair, who doesn't know more about the amateur stuff and watch these guys, Blair is. Blair is all about the Dudney train, you know?

Speaker 9:
[59:22] So if I had to guess, losing Dudney, they were like, damn it. Losing Gordon, they were like, well, maybe it wouldn't have worked out anyway. That'd be my guess.

Speaker 2:
[59:31] It is weird though that there's just no path to PC for all of these kids. I mean, they got Vince Wei, I think he's next at some point. And Timmerman's lurking, but, you know, Star is just doing like a scatter shot and they're all working. They're all kind of coming through with Gordon's second, you know, this weekend, so.

Speaker 9:
[59:50] Yeah. Well, there's a lot of angles to that. And I think one of them is, I think they play pretty fast and loose with the deals. I mean, I don't think every kid they've had at some point has been under like a real solid deal. You know, I think they just, on the facility, we'll give you some bikes so you can ride with the team. We don't know where you're going to race, when you're going to race, when you're going to turn pro. Might I even be paying them at times or paying them tiny bits. I don't even know if they give them mechanics. I'm just saying they've been so successful now that there's three or four kids at the same time who will all still try that. I think there are some they bid for. You know, I think they really went after Davies and really went after Menier. But I don't think, or probably Dudney too, but I think there's others. Remember Gavin Towers was on Star like two years ago?

Speaker 2:
[60:31] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9:
[60:32] And honestly, I know that Venec started that way, but they were just like, we'll give you a shot, but a shot pretty much means come ride here, we'll give you some bikes.

Speaker 2:
[60:40] Yeah, Evan Ferry was there for a week at one point.

Speaker 9:
[60:45] There you go. So because of that crazy, and no other team could do that, like no good rider would go on a handshake, no money deal with someone. But with Star, the success is so good, I think the parents are like, this is the chance we have to be willing to take. So that allows them to have three guys in the hopper, and then they just make it happen from there. Honestly, their model, it is laughable. I think that any other two-fifth team is going to be done consistently until they start stealing their ideas straight up.

Speaker 2:
[61:20] Right. Because if you have more lottery tickets, you will win the lottery. You will more likely win the lottery.

Speaker 9:
[61:26] Yeah. And it's like they were mentioned seen back in the day, because they were winning all the races, every other good riders like I must get on that team.

Speaker 2:
[61:32] Yep. Yep.

Speaker 9:
[61:33] And then can you imagine being a parent and they're like, here's the shop, here's the staff. You ride with them every day. What is everybody else doing?

Speaker 2:
[61:40] Well, just for example, I know for a fact, Mitch Payton would never have three to four amateurs riding under PC and somewhat paying them, but you're paying them in bikes and parts and all of that. Like there's just, and then you're working out which one was going to shine. Like Mitch is not doing that. Honda is not doing that. There's no...

Speaker 9:
[61:59] No, I think Team Green is kind of doing that, but Mitch isn't doing it, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2:
[62:04] But the Team Green guys aren't riding at the farm with the pros and all of the things that happened, right?

Speaker 9:
[62:09] No, no. It's just a model. I honestly, I was saying to someone yesterday, 10 or 15 years, we're going to look back at the way the teams non-star are doing it right now. And we're going to be like, dude, it is laughable. Okay, remember how we did like a Titchener re-raceables? And we're like, how did it work living in Florida in 1988? He's like, Suzuki just sent me two bikes in October and said, see you in Anaheim. And we were like, what?

Speaker 2:
[62:32] Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[62:33] That's laughable.

Speaker 2:
[62:34] Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[62:34] Well, I think the model that everybody has now outside of Star and Triumph, by the way, is running the exact same plan facility right there at the shop. We are going to look back and be like, that is laughable that they thought that that was going to get the job done.

Speaker 2:
[62:47] Yeah, that that was the way to do it.

Speaker 9:
[62:48] These factories are going to have to build great shops and track tracks in Florida or Georgia. Straight up, they have to do it.

Speaker 2:
[62:53] Yep, yep. Yeah, well said. Seat Concepts, Pulpimax 26, All Caps, Factory Beta. Speaking of Zack Osborne, Phoenix Racing, Ampro, Yamaha, Randy Hawkins and the boys. Seat Concepts, Ride the World with Them, Pulpimax 26, All Caps, Comfort Series, Race 2.0. They got you covered all things, seats. Get 100%, Maxxis, ASV Inventions, of course, Fly Racing, flyracing.com, called Pulpimax to save. All right, Weege, Philly, this weekend, give me the winners. Give me the winners.

Speaker 9:
[63:27] I don't know, flip a coin. 51%, I'll say 100, Lawrence. It's so damn close.

Speaker 2:
[63:32] Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[63:34] Obviously, you're foolish if you're not just picking Davies. So, there you go.

Speaker 2:
[63:36] Well, Zach Osborn's foolish because he picked Seth. Home race.

Speaker 9:
[63:40] Would be awesome. Would be awesome. Everybody loves Seth.

Speaker 2:
[63:42] Yep, absolutely. Thanks, Weege. Thanks for the time today on the show. We're doing a reracable soon after this. So, I'll see you. I'll talk to you soon, buddy. Thank you.

Speaker 9:
[63:50] All right. See you.

Speaker 2:
[63:51] See you. That's Jason Wigand, everybody. Thank you to Zach Osborn as well. Fly Racing Moto 60 Get 100% Maxxis. Seat Concepts, ASV Inventions. Use the codes, please. Titz.

Speaker 9:
[64:03] Yeah, man.

Speaker 2:
[64:04] Great work, buddy.

Speaker 9:
[64:04] Thank you.

Speaker 2:
[64:05] Yeah, great work.

Speaker 6:
[64:06] Much appreciated.

Speaker 2:
[64:07] Marks. You better not. Great work, buddy.

Speaker 6:
[64:11] All right.

Speaker 1:
[64:11] Great work.

Speaker 2:
[64:12] Thanks for watching and listening. We will see you next week before Denver, Thursday afternoon. Fly Racing Moto 60 Show out.