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Speaker 1:
[00:00] Well, New Age, it really is on some level a religion for narcissism.

Speaker 2:
[00:05] Is there anything in New Age that you think has an element of truth to it?

Speaker 1:
[00:09] A lot of what is in New Age on some level is truth. When you're opening yourself up to the spiritual realm, you're also giving access for spirits to come into the body.

Speaker 2:
[00:18] Now, I would say that as I've matured in my faith, I've realized the demonic realm is much more real, much more powerful than we believe it to be.

Speaker 1:
[00:26] She showed me a Bible and she said, you know, stay away from this. This is a very low consciousness book. Don't read it. And I remember thinking, I was so evolved. Yeah, it's crazy because I never experienced warfare until I turned Christian. The minute I give my life to Jesus, laptop breaks, camera malfunctions, microphone falls, like I felt there was like this inner battle of light and dark, but I persevered. It's exhausting trying to pretend you're God, because that's what it is in New Age. You're pretending you're God.

Speaker 2:
[00:57] What's up, guys. Welcome to the Jesus People Podcast. It was so good. We had to do a round to Ella Ringrose. Thank you for being back on the podcast.

Speaker 1:
[01:06] Thank you. I'm very excited. I'm very excited.

Speaker 2:
[01:09] Yeah. You know, a lot of people miss the conversation that happens before the podcast and after the podcast. And you were sharing with me that you were going through some warfare last podcast. Tell us a little bit about that.

Speaker 1:
[01:21] Yeah, it's crazy because I never experienced warfare until I turned Christian online. And what I mean by that is like the amount of side note technical difficulties I have had since turning to Jesus. And being a full time YouTuber for what, like 10 years? Yeah, 10 years. I never had to issue a technology. The minute I give my life to Jesus, laptop breaks, camera malfunctions, microphone falls, like even when I start recording videos, I am getting mental attacks mentally while speaking. And that was going through the whole last podcast. Like I felt there was this inner battle of light and dark, but I persevered, but it's so real. And my friend warned me about this when I gave my life to Jesus. She was like, just wait. Even so, me and my friend did a three hour video when we gave our lives to Jesus because we both got baptized. And of course, like my mic wasn't on the entire three hours and like she's had those mics for years. Never had an issue. So it's a very, very real thing on all the layers of the Jesus trigger.

Speaker 2:
[02:27] Yeah. Yeah, dude, I have been noticing patterns because I've done, I don't know how many podcasts I've done. It's like over 50 now. If there's a podcast that's like a heavy topic, like spiritual warfare, there's always something like there hasn't been a single Rion podcast where I showed up to it and I was like, had a great night's sleep and all the technology is working. It's just, it's always malfunctioning. Yeah, something's going wrong, but that's just because we're in enemy camp, you know, we're in enemy territory and we're taking back with the enemy stolen, which is your story.

Speaker 1:
[03:04] Yeah. And back in my New Age day, I would have been like, you know, it's not an alignment, it's not flowing right, it's not in resonance. Everything has to be in synergy. And it's such a paradox because since giving my life to Jesus, like I have never experienced such indescribable peace. But the warfare also is very, very real, and that a lot of things aren't moving in synergy the way they would. But again, you wouldn't change it for the world. You know, like my friend said, you can lose the whole world and you've gained the whole world once you receive Jesus into your heart, which I've been experiencing and really know that that is truth.

Speaker 2:
[03:39] Right. You know, one question I had for you is, is there anything in New Age that you think has an element of truth to it? Actually in the kingdom of God, it's just been twisted and distorted.

Speaker 1:
[03:51] I think everything. What I have been shown when because when I got delivered by Jesus, he was showing it to me all in the supernatural world that like a lot of what is a new age on some level is truth, right? Like the world is distorted. There's a lot of deception, right? You want to go towards love, all these sort of things. But the thing with new age that he showed me was it's like, I don't know why I'm being shown the analogy of like a carnival. It's like it's got everything that God designed, except God isn't the one weaved through it, if that makes sense. So it's like the source of all of the things. God is not the center. Like I'll give you an example, which is ayahuasca. And I was praying to Jesus about this because the thing with ayahuasca that gets a rap is like, people who have gone through hard stuff, like they're seeking healing, right? They want healing and that there is this beautiful element that you're in a community with people going through it together. So you create bonds and connections and you're grieving together or whatever you are. And I prayed to Jesus about this. And I was questioning, for example, ayahuasca, like, is it sacred? Is it demonic? Like, what's the deal with that? Why would God create something on this earth if it's not good or to deceiving people? And what Jesus showed me was like, ayahuasca is a very pure plant. Like everything on earth is a pure plant, but because the dominion on this earth is kind of demonic, and because it infiltrates every spiritual setting, when you sit in ayahuasca center, you're giving legal rights and access to the demonic, right? Because again, they don't care about intention or how much your heart's vibrating. Like, if they have a legal right, if you leave a door open, they're going to walk in. And I think I gave this analogy in the last podcast, it's kind of like, you know, leaving your front door open and just hoping someone doesn't like, like, good people just walk in and not bad people break in, you know? And it's kind of the same for that. So I think the thing with New Age is, there's no education of the demonic, of entity attacks, of spiritual doors. It's just the understanding that everything is God, everything is good, everything is divine. Like, God is a polarity of yin and yang. And I think that's the real danger. And that's like the deepest deception that's infiltrated New Age, because the intention is pure. It's seeking healing. But if we don't have that education, which I walked around for probably 10 years, not thinking there was a devil, like not thinking there was a darkness, and it was all just me, and I would integrate my shadow, and I'd be healing, and constantly just like putting it up to my wounds, or like things that I needed to integrate or embrace in me of darkness. And really it was just spirits like being pulled deeper and deeper into my being. So I think that's the thing that creates such chaos in New Age. So it's masquerade as like empowerment, and when you look at the reality of it, it's very messy. And there's not a lot of like structure or leeway to it, essentially.

Speaker 2:
[06:37] What I'm hearing you say is that ayahuasca in and of itself is not a bad plant because God created it. So how could it be in its inerrancy, bad or sinful or wrong or demonic? You're saying that the devil has twisted it. But what I don't hear you saying, and maybe clarify this for me, is when you go to an ayahuasca ceremony, you're saying the intention of it is fundamentally demonic, right? Or like, because I guess my question is, if I have a Bible out and I'm doing ayahuasca, it's a plant given from God, because I can see people making this argument like, okay, well, weed is the plant. So like, why can't I just go toke up and get super high? What would you say to that?

Speaker 1:
[07:19] Yeah, no, I think I explained that wrong. So it's not what I'm trying to say is like, most people go with pure intent, right? But the thing about the spiritual realm, and when you are opening yourself up, because ayahuasca is a spirit, and when you open that up, or when you hold the plant, right? Like we would hold the medicine to our heart and align it with our heart and set an intention to heal. When you're opening yourself up to the spiritual realm, you're also giving access for spirits to come into the body. So they don't care whether your intent is righteous, if it's loving, if it's pure. Because there is spiritual doors opening, they're going to torment or access that. So what happens with ayahuasca is, or even anything, which when Jesus was delivering me for seven days, he was showing me this. I'll give you an example, cacao. I used to worship cacao and I thought cacao was God. And I would put it up to my heart every morning and I would drink it and like think that that was God, right? And so what Jesus showed me when he was delivering me from spirits through all of these activities I was engaging in, the last one he showed me was all the spirits that came in through cacao. And what he was showing me was that when you treat everything in the creation as God, that's when you're going to have trouble. So the thing is, God created this beautiful land for us and we're kind of mistreating it and worshipping creations which have a life force of their own. You know, like, I believe like a tree has a soul, all these things have life force to them. So what Jesus was... You still believe that? Oh yeah, absolutely. I think there's, I think everything is alive on some level and has an energy to it and a soul to it. So when I was drinking cacao, what he showed me was like this mist of spirits that came in because I gave legal rights to my heart, to have entryway to my heart, to manipulate my heart, to distort my heart. And something that really triggered me when I came to Jesus and I started hearing this like pop up in my periphery was, you know, in the Bible, it says, the heart is very deceitful and not to follow your heart. And I was like such an advocate to everyone of, you know, follow your heart, whatever your heart is telling you is correct. Right. And it sounds so beautiful. Like that sounds so pretty. That sounds so kind. It sounds so loving. It sounds so maternal. But when I started to actually hear that scripture, it was like I couldn't unhear it. And then what was God was showing me was like areas of my life where I led with that analogy and the distortion and the destruction it was making. And I'll give you an example, like a situation where you like love someone. And I had a situation with someone that I was like, I loved this person. And at the same time, I knew that God did not want me to be in a relationship with this person. Like God did not want me to be with this person. But if I were to follow my heart and what my heart is telling me, I would want to jump right into that. And God was like, you cannot be in this relationship. And he was trying to pull me out of it. And that was such a moment for me of recognizing the heart is feeling and feeling is temporary and it changes day from day. And I used to give my heart the idol of God. My heart is God and what my heart feels and my truth, that is God. And so when Jesus was delivering me, he showed me the beautiful pyramid of idolatry and that like my heart was my idol or like all these sort of things. Like Kakao was my idol, Ayahuasca was my idol. All these things I gave as this agenda to be God and how that was actually misleading me and keeping me kind of lost in a cycle because I wasn't just like bowing down to God itself. I was making everything around me a God. And I think that is what New Age is really created for. It's you're making yourself a God, you're making your desires a God and it's all about yourself. And the difference between following Jesus is he's like, follow me. He's like, don't follow yourself. Don't look into yourself. So like astrology, like you asked me a previous question about astrology. It's like, and God creating the stars and how could that not be sacred, right? And I think this is where the deception lies because it's so sneaky and it's so... Because people think deception is like, okay, a devil coming with horns to me and deceiving like you think like the demonic is going to be this really dark, gruesome thing. And that's not the case at all. As you know, like Satan masquerades as an angel of light, right? So all these things that are deceiving are going to be masked as beautiful and fluffy. And when I was seeking healing and seeking answers, because I felt so like depressed and lost all those years ago, New Age seemed like the most beautiful package for me because I had church hurt. You know, I didn't want to go that route because of the experiences I had as a child in the church. So I go to this thing and it's very pretty and that's kind of what New Age is. It's going to lure you in in the most mystical way. And so astrology, you could go, well, that sounds really pretty. And the thing about astrology and denouncing it was such a fun day for me because I remember paying so many coaches to like dissect my natal chart and like my astrotography, which anyone doesn't know, is like certain lines on the map where you can live. So I based like all my decisions and like where I could live based on where my astrotography lines were. And what basically when you make a contract with astrology and you come into agreement and you agree with it, what's happening is, is you're gonna have to take the good and the bad because there's a lot of good they give you like, oh, let's say you're this star sign, you're an Aries, you're fire, you're creative. And it puffs you up with all this like power and pride. And you're like, yes, I'm all these things. But there's also a lot of dark aspects that astrology tells you you are too. And then in the new age, you kind of go, well, that's the good and the bad. You have to integrate it. So when you sign up to agree with this, you're also coming into agreement with a lot of the quote unquote dark aspects. These astrology people are telling you is aligned with that. So I'll give you an example. Ireland is my home country. And in my astrotography, it says that in Ireland, if I were to live here, like my life would be in shambles, you would be depressed. You have family issues, like all these dark stories. Right. So I stayed away from Ireland most of my 20s because of that one statement in astrotography. And when I started rebuking astrology, what Jesus was showing me was these spirits that come in when you make agreement with these star signs and you become an identity of them and you bring them into your heart and you say, I am this identity, I am this person. I mean, you could say the same about depression, anxiety, all these labels and you mark it as your identity. That's when they start to kind of torment you or mislead you or misguide you. And I think what is so liberating about renouncing yourself from, like, for example, all astrology or the individualism of like, I am this, I'm arising of this, is that you're freed. Like it's very peaceful. And I remember just at one point feeling so exhausted by how boxed in everyone was with astrology. Like whenever I would meet someone, you know, the first thing I would ask them would be like, what's your rising and what's your sun? I usually tell when I did psychic readings, I could see their star sign in their field because I would see the elements. And I'd be like, oh, you've got a lot of water. You must have a lot of water in your chart. Are you a cancer? And they'd be like, yeah. Or I remember doing a psychic reading and being able to see in the quantum field how someone processed emotions. And immediately I knew they were a Capricorn moon. And so I would tell them this and then send them probably deeper on astrological journey. And the thing about all these things, one, is the spirits are just showing me this to lead them deeper into that world. But two, the problem with that is, is then you're stuck in that paradigm that you are that way. So, I'll give you an example. I was a Capricorn moon in astrology. And that tells me that like, I process my emotions this way, this way. And every time I felt a certain way, I felt so boxed in of like, well, I'm just stuck this way, because that's the way my astrology is. And so, what started off as something that was soulseeking and self-empowering turns into kind of a prison cell. And that's the case with a lot of these things, not all, but a lot of things you dive into New Age. It's empowering at first. It feels freeing. It feels liberating. It feels exciting because you want to learn about self. And then over time, that's when you start to feel the bondage. And that's when you start to feel the chains and the entrapment. And what's so full circle moment was the very, I will never forget the moment I fully, fully, fully denounced all of New Age was, I had a friend speak to me and she said, she looked at me and she said, like, do you want to know what your astrology is for the next year? Like what you're going to expect? Like astrologically. And I just was like, respectfully, no. And I remember in that moment, just that moment for me was like, I am so done with people telling me like what my star sign is, what my future is going to be, who I am. Like, I'm a star seed, I'm all this sort of stuff. I want to put this fully in God's hands, because it's at some point starts to feel like, this is a very strong word, but I'm just going to say how it felt like subtle abuse, because it's all sounding really pretty, and you're being told all about this. And the person always has this beautiful learning voice, like right. But it's also just bondaging you and trapping you into a covenant that you may not want to experience, right? So when you go to a psychic or you go to anyone and they tell you something, you are coming into covenant and agreement with that timeline, with that experience. And that's something a lot of people don't realize. So breaking that and breaking the illusion that it's truth is very liberating and freeing for people that are deep in new age because at one point in time, a psychic could have told me to move to Spain tomorrow and I would have, you know, because I saw that as God's truth. And what we're really doing is we're giving everyone the authority of Jesus. So when you have Jesus in your heart, you realize he's the one, he's the only one you need to listen to and submit to and surrender to. When you experience the true Jesus, because in new age, if you think he's just an ascended master, you're going to be like, why would you give your whole life to just one spirit? When you have Quan Yin and Ganesh and Buddha and all these other ascended masters. So until you experience like the most high God, like it's hard to understand that. And that's something I'm seeing with a lot of people with my testimony is like you're trying to logically understand the transfer, like the not the transformation, the testimony. Like why I have denounced it because until you have a living encounter with the Holy Spirit, it's very hard to understand and you're going to have to rationalize it and make it logical which I was doing for years when I was watching testimonies. I couldn't understand until I actually had the Holy Spirit in my body and convict me and reshape my heart. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[17:47] Wow. You mentioned something that's fascinating. You said when you were a psychic, you could see into the quantum field. What does that mean?

Speaker 1:
[17:54] Yeah. So when I would do readings, I would essentially call in their spirit guides and I would see their dominant three guides in front of them at all times, like their main guide and then their spirit animals. And I would always see it right in front of my eyes. So I would always call that the quantum field, the spiritual realm. So I would be seeing photos. And so how my readings would work would be I would be shown images. And until I understood what they were trying to convey, they wouldn't show me another one. So I could get a photo of like, I can't even think of an example, like wheels on a car that aren't moving. And I'd be like, okay, is there like a part of your life that's not fully moving? And then they'd show me like a man, I'd be like in your relationship. So it was like this weird goose chase, but it was all in the quantum field, meaning the spirit realm. And it was always right in front of me like a play. So that's how I would do my psychic readings. And if I were to see past on loved ones, like, oh, your grandmother died and she's here and she has a message for you. It would always be like pink and on the left side. So I would know it'd be the mother line. And then from there, I'd know if it was the grandfather, if it was blue. And that's how I would go through generations on both sides as a medium. It would also work where then I would just be showing images of them in the room, what they do when they're alone, like all these sort of things. And at the time, you know, you think this is a God-given gift. And now I know it's like what we spoke about was monitoring spirits. It's like all this access to someone. And so, of course, I'm going to think this is, you know, so divine, but that's how it would work. And it would be, yeah, very, you know, very real experience for the person, because I remembered the first time I believed in psychics. I think it was 10 years ago, nine years ago, I went to a psychic and she said, you fix, you know, you look at yourself in a mirror a certain way and you do this certain thing. And my jaw dropped as a teenager. I was like, how did you know that? You know, and then immediately I'm like, you are God. And I remember I was obsessed with this woman for years because I was like, this woman is God. How could she know these things? She has these special abilities. And then lo and behold, when I started trying to access those, I got those quote unquote gifts too. And that's how I would deliver the readings. So it preys on people's like vulnerability and also things that people couldn't logically explain. You'd be like, the amount of times I'd be in a call and they'd be like, how do you know that? And I'd be like, I don't know, but I do. And then it would, it pulls you in to trust, deeper for them to deliver more messages, to then believe them essentially more. So that's how the readings would go. And even so much so as when I would film videos, I always said I had a, what are those like things called with the newscasters? When they read off the screen, like the sub-teleprompter, yes. So with every YouTube video for years, I had a full-blown teleprompter that I would say in my third eye. I would be shown the words to say in every video. Like it wasn't like a channeling. Like I was reading it in my mind's eye. Like, and this is why I always felt like at the time, I thought it was like a galactic alien here from a different realm because all my quote unquote gifts were super technological. You know, in the sense of they were all very 3D for me. And so I would read videos through my so-called, what I would call my teleprompter and be prompted of what to say. And I just thought it was like...

Speaker 2:
[21:10] And now you know it's just demons were just feeding you stuff.

Speaker 1:
[21:13] Yeah, and the thing I think a lot of people were shocked by, I've gotten a lot of messages from people being like, you were so kind though and you were so loving. It's like, again, the problem is like a lot of the messages are loving. I would say, like every reading I could say hand in my heart, I poured my heart out to that person. Like, I gave them so much love throughout it and I would receive so much messages of love, but then there would be maybe one thing that might lead them on a different path. It would always be to do with the occult. Like, oh, I'm being shown you need to get a reiki qualification or like I'm being shown you need to start drinking cacao. And it would always be something to kind of pull them deeper into that world. And that's where the bondage kind of starts. You know, it's because it's wrapped in so much love, but then there's one or two things that again, our masters love to kind of push you further into that world. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2:
[22:01] It sounds like New Age is like that creepy guy in the van that offers your kids candy. The candy might be legit candy, but it's not good for you to go with the guy. You know, like it's gonna lead you to destruction. And it sounds like that's what you learned through psychic readings, through Reiki, through ayahuasca, through womb worship, all the things you were doing is like, there might have been some good, you might have been given some candy in the process that was like, oh, this is nice candy, but it ultimately was destroying you.

Speaker 1:
[22:31] Yeah, yeah, yeah, candy makes you sick. It's kind of like, and the one thing I found fascinating about new age is whatever my spirit guides would tell me would always push me so far away from Christianity. Like that's one thing over the years that was super adamant about my spirit guides. Even when I did ayahuasca, I can't remember, I shared it in a previous podcast, but one of the first things she showed me when I started getting really, like the psychedelic was really hitting into my body is she showed me a Bible and she said, you know, stay away from this. This is a very low consciousness book and it's people who think they're very righteousness and it's pride. It's filled with pride. Like don't read it. And I remember thinking I was so evolved because I was like, oh, these peasants, like they have no idea about consciousness and about the new earth. Like they're brainwashed and they're subscribed to a 3D religion dogmatic thing. So I remember seeing that and I remember straight after in the ceremony, she was like, you know, God isn't this etheric higher being like I am God. And she was like, you need to make me your God now with ayahuasca. And so I made, you know, I believed ayahuasca was God then after that. And she showed me these specific tattoos to get on my body, to integrate the codes is what she said. And what's so crazy with what I know now was like, she really was just inviting me to mark myself as ownership of whatever spirits were working through that night. So I went and got like a snake symbol tattoo two days later. And I got three tattoos from the ayahuasca ceremony that I was shown and got the download of to basically get. And when Jesus was delivering me, he was just showing me like my body was becoming owned and marked and bondaged by all these spirits. And that's how it kind of happens. You open one door and then the next minute, your whole home is in wrapped with new age items. Like, I don't know very few people who have dabbled in new age and it doesn't invite into every orifice of their life. Meaning, like, what you listen to, how you speak, even what you ingest, you know, with medicine, your home, what you wore, even down to my tattoos. Like, everything was a becoming of new age. It entered one little door, which was like what? Like getting a tarot deck or something. And then it's my entire life in every shape and form.

Speaker 2:
[24:50] I wanna take a quick minute and tell you about a devotional book that I just wrote. It's called The Gratitude Reset. The reason why I'm so passionate about this book is because all of the lessons I learned in the battle that I had with anxiety are now put into this book. All of the scriptures that I could find on anxiety all came back to one solution, and that was prayers of gratitude. So in this devotional book, you're gonna get those scriptures, you're gonna get a lesson, but then you're also gonna journal out what you're grateful for. You're gonna journal the burdens that you're gonna give to Jesus, because we're called to cast our cares on Him because He cares for us. And then you're gonna pray for others as well, because anxiety is inward focused. Instead of looking at others and saying, how can I bless them? How can I get my mind on to serving people? And then you're gonna jot down notes that Jesus gives you. So I would love it if you could check this out. The link will be in the show notes, or you can go to thejesuspeoplemovement.com/thegratitudereset. Are there any things that people that might be Christians are inviting into their home or into their life that is completely new age, completely demonic, and we've just like turned a blind eye to it?

Speaker 1:
[25:46] I think the two things that come to my mind is like sage. I know a lot of Christians like, I don't even know if they do that, but I think sage people are like, it's just a plant or it's just to cleanse energy. I know a lot of people who are advocates of Jesus and they sage their home. And I used to train in shamanism. And in our shamanic practitioner trainings, the first thing we do is sage the room and clear it and cleanse it and protect it. And what I know now is like sage is the opposite. It's like, if you smell marijuana being smoked, you can smell it miles away. And it's kind of like that with spirits. If they smell the sage, they're going to flock into that home. So it does the count, the opposite effect. Because there's a lot of spells and a lot of like, it's a very old tradition. So there's this whole, like, I guess, witchcraft or spell ritual that was used for sage many years ago that has now evolved into something. It's just kind of like any intention you're using to clear a home. It's going to call in things if it's not from God. And so I think there's that. But the main one I want to speak about is crystals, because I debated this for a long time. My deliverance actually started with the first thing Jesus told me when I called out, saying, Jesus, save me. I was driving on a motorbike in Bali, crying, and I was so exhausted of getting demonically attacked. I was at the beach crying, and I just started driving, and I just remember the word, saying, Jesus, save me. The first thing he responded was to get rid of my crystals. And immediately, I was like, no, no, like, no. You know, I had spent thousands on crystals. They were all over my home, and I remember just immediately saying to Jesus, I was like, I'm not doing this. Like, I refuse to believe this new way to Jesus thing is true. Like, I refuse to believe this. Like, why would I get rid of my crystals? They're the mineral kingdom. God made them. They're from the earth. And he just responded and was like, I just want to help you. Like, if you listen to this, like, I can help you. And I remember just crying and being like, literally, what do I have to lose? So, got rid of my crystals, put them all outside. And then what he showed me was, it's not that crystals are inherently demonic. Like, they're beautiful pieces from the earth that God made us. The problem is when we think that that's going to heal us and that's going to bring us something into our life and we treat it as God. So, it's the highest form of idolatry because we look at that crystal. Like, I'll give you an example. I would have citrine on my left side of my bed to, like, pull in abundance. And then I'd have a rose quartz on my right side to pull in love. And then I would have, like, blue topaz to open my throat. Like, all of these rocks, basically, thinking they were going to completely transform my reality. And what Jesus started to show me is when you give an object the authority of God, what you're doing is you're allowing anything in the earth realm to come into that. So what He showed me was that there were spirits having the access point or the door was the crystals. So because I'm giving this authority to this crystal, because the dominion over the world of this earth is Satan, He can now access me. So when I started going through a deliverance of getting rid of every New Age item, I started praying to the Holy Spirit religiously being like, is there anything in my home I need to get rid of? Because I now understand spiritual doors. I now understand that when we have specific objects, there's specific doors. And that's what I started to do. I prayed to the Holy Spirit. And I would be shown this vision of my dresser and the third drawer down. And they would be like, the Holy Spirit would be like, there's something in there you need to get rid of. And I wouldn't even know what's in this drawer. And then I'd open it. And lo and behold, it would be like, I don't know, an outfit that I wore to an ayahuasca ceremony, or something that I didn't think would be linked. And they would be like, you have to get rid of this. So I spent about two months just clearing out everything the Holy Spirit guided me to get rid of. I would, and it could be anything, you know? It's not specifically just a new age item. Like if the Holy Spirit is requiring you to get rid of something, I would listen to that. Because a lot of times there can be, you know, spells on them, hexes, all these sort of things that we don't know. And the reason I say that is like, as a teenager, me and my mom, my mom got a priest to come into the house a lot because we were having a lot of chaotic things happening in the house. And the first thing the priest said to my mom was like, do you have any false gods? Like, do you have any statues of Buddha? Do you have any statues of all these sort of things? And my mom was like, yeah, we have these faceless angels, right? Which you would think are, you know, very pure, like bringing in peace or statue of Buddha. It's like bringing in this peace. Like, there's nothing wrong with that. He was just basically like, you need to get rid of these. And so my mom gathered these up and she said, she'll never forget this. She went to this like skip place and threw them out. And one of them bounced back into her car. And she, I remember my mom got so freaked out by that. And my mom started learning the objects carry spirits at that time. I thought she was nuts at the time. I thought she was, she just didn't understand. But after that, life in our home started to clear up and resolve because we cleared those objects. And even I think about a year and a half ago now, every time I would rearrange my altar or like my spiritual objects, I'd start to spin. And I had a friend recently, she recently gave her life back to Jesus because she gave her life to Jesus when she was 12 and then kind of fell back into new age and now went straight like all the way back to Jesus. And she had to clear out her whole home of all the new age items. And she vomited, she was spinning, like it's not meant to be like a peaceful process. I also had to help my friend remove all her new age items. And what happened at the end of the time, Ryan, was she was shaking in her bed out of fear because what had happened was, is she had given all her faith, all her power to all these new age items. So what happens is that your faith is so dispersed in everything because you think everything is God. So you're like that salt lamp was God, that crystal was God, that tarot card deck was God, like that pentagram symbol from Archangel Michael is God. And when I took everything out of her room, we had to do a deliverance on her because what was actually happening is that fear was all these demons manifesting in her that were so afraid of leaving her body. So you would think, okay, when you get rid of new age items, it's meant to be peaceful. But a lot of people can actually experience the opposite, which is deep debilitating fear, spiritual attacks because that's what's starting to happen. And we did this spiritual clearing on her where we called in the Holy Spirit. I started seeing these spirits fly out of her. And what was so crazy, Ryan, is she changed her name a month prior. And this will happen to a lot of people who do ayahuasca ceremonies or go on these spiritual retreats is they get this download that they need to change their name because they need to start a new life for themselves and let go. And I understand if you've had a lot of trauma, you want to let go of a name, right? But when I was praying over her, I don't want to say her real name, but she basically changed her name and I could not say her real name. God would not or the Holy Spirit would not allow me to say the name that she had changed it to. So God made me say her real name. And the first thing she did is she opened her eyes. She was like, I need my name back. And when she said those words, God showed me this image that when we change our name and we get a download from a spirit to change it, that in itself is an access point to just torment their entire lives. So even if she had cleared out every object in her home, her literal identity, her name, or my spiritual like tattoos are doorways. And that's how they're so smart and sneaky is like, you would never even think that. So immediately, she changed her name back. And all I kept hearing from God was like, God does not make mistakes. God gave you that name, like God does not make mistakes. That is your sovereign name. So the thing with the spirit.

Speaker 2:
[33:34] I have friends that are like famous that changed their name. I won't name dreams obviously, but they changed their name. And they're they say they changed their name because they don't want people to find out where they live. They don't want people to look them up. They don't want them to get access to their social security or whatever it might be. It's like security reasons. And then other people that are saying like, oh, it's for a fresh start. Would you say that that is an open door across the board if you're changing your name from your God given name?

Speaker 1:
[34:04] What I think about that, and it's interesting because me and my friend spoke about this, you know, with like Marla Monroe or Lady Gaga or all these people who changed their names. Even if fun fact, this is actually hilarious. I used to be obsessed with Lady Gaga as a child. And for my confirmation, you have to take a saint's name. And I tried to find a saint that had Stephanie's real name, which was Stephanie Joanne. And I took that on as my Christian or my confirmation name because I was so obsessed with Lady Gaga, which is actually a bit concerning now looking back. But I think about a lot of people that have changed their name. And I prayed about this too, because I was thinking of Marla Monroe and how tough her life was, you know, even though people would glorify her as this beautiful figure, she went through a lot of suffering. And what I've always come down to is like, I think it's kind of dangerous to just generalize everything. Like that's demonic. And I think that's what creates a lot of church hurt, where like you just point and you write off someone's existence. Like, oh, what I would say is like, if you pray to the Holy Spirit and you're convicted by it, like, there's your answer, you know? So for each person, I don't want to like generalize it. And I think that's where the Holy Spirit will guide you and show you what's right for you, because everyone's convictions are different, right? But what I was shown by God is that for her, it was a spiritual door, and I was being shown. It was the craziest vision. It was her name, and it had this massive hole in it. And all these spirits were having a field day. Like they were just flying into her because that was their access point. That was their entry point, their entryway. So when she changed her name back immediately, the fear left her body, like the door closed. And I think that is something that is so undermined because people don't believe it's real. So when you go and you buy all these objects, you just think, well, it's associated with peace and all of this. And I think that's where people can suffer because they're not educated about it.

Speaker 2:
[35:55] Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. That's really good though, because I think a lot of people, especially people, I would say, and maybe you haven't been a Christian or in the Christian culture long enough to know the weirdness of every denomination. But there's certain types of Christians that are just like demonic. You're like, everything's demonic about that, and like, they're calling everything a demon. And it's like, guys, can we just chill out? Can we give that person a grace? When you just start labeling everything demonic, nothing becomes demonic. You know, it's just like, let's actually call things for what they are. Now, I would say that as I've matured in my faith, I've realized that demonic realm is much more real, much more powerful than we believe it to be, or than most Christians believe it to be. But let's not call everything a demon. But my question for you is, there's some really interesting studies that have come out where you can talk to a plant, and if you start speaking mean things to the plant, the plant dies. If you start saying nice things to the plant, the plant grows and lives. Now, I think this is fully biblical. Like speak to the mountain and it'll be moved. It's something about faith, obviously, but I think that when those scriptures are clear, that there's power of life and death in the tongue, that we have the power to literally change our reality. I don't know what that would be called. Like you called it like the quantum field. I don't know if that's fully demonic. Whatever it is, the spiritual realm, we can speak things into existence. It's not manifesting. It's understanding that God has given us the ability to rule and reign this earth and to speak life or to speak death. What have you learned now having this power as a new age or as a psychic, as a pretty prominent new age influencer and now becoming a Christian? What have you learned about authority? And even down to things that God created. God created plants. He's given us dominion over them. God created the stars. Astrology, like there's certain dieticians that will tell you, like, if you want to do a parasite cleanse, do it on a full moon. And they're Christians. They're not necessarily demonic, but our bodies operate. There's literally a gravitational pull from the moon. And so, like, this is just literally science and astronomy, not astrology. Anyway, what do you make of all of that?

Speaker 1:
[38:10] What I think is the difference of pre, like, New Age versus, like, following Jesus is the thing with New Age is you're using all your own strength and all your own power to change things and heal things. So this is really random, but I'm just being I'm being called to share. This is like with the plant thing. It's like the thing with Jesus is he gives you a new heart, right? Like the Holy Spirit is something that you have to invite into you. And what I was shown with New Age is like I was trying to replicate the Holy Spirit through healing, through diving deep in my soul, diving deep into all these things and not being able to fill that because I don't have the Holy Spirit. So essentially, I see it as like when you okay, let's say you said that speak to the plants, all this sort of stuff. Jesus gives you a new heart. And that's the way I described it to my friend Lara when I was living with her. I was like, I feel life growing in me and I've never felt this before. When I gave my life to Jesus, I felt another heart growing in my heart. And I am like in a physical way, not a spiritual way. Like I felt movement. And I say that because I think the difference between the two is in New Age, it's very much relying on your own strength and your own power to like feel the love to vibrate high and to lift your frequency. And the dangerous thing I've noticed about New Age is like, when you think everything is God, you're actually really alone because you don't have a relationship with God if you think everything is God. So when I was going through like really bad depression, and I feel like, well, I'm looking at this book and it's God and this ring and it's God and it's crystal this God, I inherently feel so alone because I don't actually feel the presence of God. I just see everything as God. I don't know if that's making sense. Every object is God versus what has changed my life with turning to Christianity is that God is like a living, breathing person. Jesus is a person that I get to pray to. It's an actual relationship. It's an actual connection. And the difference between the two is that prior, I did not have a connection with anything. It was a connection with everything and nothing at the same time. I could speak to the stars, the wind, the trees, and I would get these moments. But then inherently, I would feel alone. And so, I think the difference is when you have Jesus in your heart, He changes your heart, and so you start to emanate and glow differently. You know, like I know that Jesus glow is a real thing. That's what convicted me. I was in Bali and I was meeting these Christians, and there was specifically this one man I met, and I have never seen. It was like he had meters of light pouring out of his eyes. And I just was like, it was a moment for me of going, no matter how much knowledge I have, no matter how much I think this religion is dogmatic and descended, I can't ignore what I'm seeing right now, which is he has more light in him than me. And I'm here thinking like I'm studying all this New Age stuff. And what I noticed with him is he, with every cell and fiber of his being, loved Jesus. Like that was the difference. He loved Jesus. And seeing that light in him, I started to go like God is moving through that man. Like God is actually moving through that man. Versus when I'm in New Age, I think I am God. And I think that my heart, my power, all of this is like I'm trying to amp it up and puff it up. So New Age gives you a lot of pride. It fills you up with all this like vanity. And I saw this video yesterday, and I would have to agree on some level, New Age, it really is on some level, a religion for narcissism because it's all about self. It's about identifying self. It's about ascending self, your higher self, all about your soul, your soul. It's all about individualism. And the thing with that is like it feels powerful, and it feels like very entitled, individualistic, my truth, my like all of this. So it gives this sense or this mockery of God. But when I turn to God, like, it's the most, the only word I've been able to like use is it's humility. It's very humbling. Like, and I never felt humbled in New Age. I never felt humble. I felt like I was the most powerful being on planet Earth because of these abilities and all these sort of things. And everyone just needs to tap into this so they can feel powerful. But what I think God calls us is to do is to literally kneel at his feet. And I think that's what's so interesting about the Bible. It's always washing Jesus's feet, bowing down at his feet, like almost feeling like you are nothing and God is everything and handing your life over to his will and his power. And I think that has been the greatest shift for me. And the peace it's given is not relying on your own strength and your own force. And I saw this podcast a while ago when I was like really going through the New Age to Jesus study because I needed to watch every testimony under the sun. And this woman, she was a very well known spiritual influencer, made millions. When she turned her life to Jesus, she just said the words like, it's exhausting trying to pretend you're God because that's what it is in New Age. You're pretending you're God. And then you're going through all these healings and all these wounds to amplify and puff yourself up. And there is a need for healing in many ways. And I think I want to separate that from like the New Age, is you're doing all of this to feel better and to feel good, versus just like handing it over to God. And I know this, that didn't fully answer your question, but I just think that the main difference is you are doing it alone in New Age. Even if you're surrounded by community and people, it's not really guiding you to a guidebook of truth. And I think truth is objective. And I think that there is right and wrong. And I think that's really where I started to see the cracks in New Age, was like this evolution of, oh, we're growing, we're evolving past our triggers, and we're all mirrors of each other. And yet, like, there's a lot of deep suffering and a lot of, like, distortion and a lot of things that just look messed up and weird. Where is the fine line between, well, this is my truth and I'm going to honor my truth, but I'm hurting this person, you know, versus kind of knowing morals and knowing good values. And I think that's what God calls us to be. Yeah, I don't know if that answer your question fully. I kind of went into tangent there.

Speaker 2:
[44:25] No, it really does. I think you're coming back to the foundation, you're coming back to what is the crux of Christianity, which is deny yourself, pick up your cross, make yourself small, which is yield yourself to your master, you know, lose your life and you'll find it. Where in New Age, it's ascend yourself so that you could have more power. And that power might be to do good, but fundamentally the foundation of it's cracked, it's wrong, that the power is within you. And so what I'm hearing you saying is yes, there are certain things that in the world that God has set up might be true. Like you can speak to a plant and have it grow, you know, because we've been given dominion. But if you're doing that to the glory of God, and not in order to like reveal or to find some power in and of yourself, but just because maybe, I don't know, maybe you think it's funny or God called you to, I don't know, like whatever, I don't know why you would speak to a plant. But you know, if there's something like that, that you are feeling the Holy Spirit say, hey, this is love, this is a way to be love, go for it. But it's all about who is receiving the glory and the power and the dominion. And is it you or is it Christ? Would you agree with that?

Speaker 1:
[45:43] Absolutely. And I think the thing with New Age is it attracts a lot of people that are wanting healing and they're wanting power. Like for myself, I felt so misunderstood all my life. So like when I found New Age, it was like a moment where I could finally feel seen. I could finally feel love. I could finally feel life because I was depressed. I was depressed in my teenagehood. I felt like an imposter. I felt dumb. I felt insecure. And so with New Age, it attracts people that have gone through a lot of hardship and a lot of pain. And so it feels like a band-aid of a moment of going like, oh, I received this moment of power. This is good for me. This is healing me. And then you get kind of hooked on that New Age hamster wheel and cycle because you constantly need the next fix to get that high. And that's what I was doing. I was always like chasing spiritual highs until I encountered Jesus and He gave me free like peace. It was a completely different thing. But I think the problem with that is that's what Satan wants is like he's going to attract the people that are the most vulnerable and then be like, whisper like, here, here, I can give you power. I can give you ownership, authority, all these sort of things. And then also with the church hurt, like we're not going to look there because a lot of us experience hurt. A lot of us experience distortion. And I think that is also set up by the enemy because he's fully infiltrated that system because it's so close to God. So it's like, let me infiltrate that industry so that you come to my religion, which is New Age, and it's fluffy and it's fun. And I remember when Jesus started delivering me, he showed me this whiteboard and he showed me New Age versus Jesus. And the mockery of it, like light language is speaking in tongues and the Kundalini Spirit is actually the Holy Spirit and he's mocking it all. And he showed me, he was like, unfortunately, Ella, New Age is a lot more alluring. It's rainbow, it's fun, but the truth is not, it's simple. It's not meant to be this dopamine-enriched high and tripping on ayahuasca. It's not sexy, it's very basic and simple, but it has real fruit and real roots. The other one is it's joyful, it can look a certain way and have this fun. And I kind of give the analogy of like, you know, you only go to a spiritual festival and everyone's dressed up. It's like it looks so enticing. And that's where a lot of that's why a lot of people lean that way. And that's why it's becoming so mainstream, because the truth is actually really simple. And I've noticed a lot of people, you know, they go the whole nine yards and, you know, I traveled the world for nearly a decade to go back to the very thing I started with as a child. Like it's it's sometimes we have to go the whole alchemist journey to kind of come back to what we originally were set with, which is simplicity, you know.

Speaker 2:
[48:21] Amen. What do you think the Lord has taught you that maybe other people don't have insight to in the Christian faith because of your journey in New Age?

Speaker 1:
[48:30] In the Christian faith or for New Agers?

Speaker 2:
[48:32] What can you like what unique insights has the Lord given you that maybe just the average Christian that hasn't gone the whole New Age route and done all the things would know? Like even into the, I'm talking like macro, like kingdom of God. Like what's the Lord taught you? Like how is he taken what was intended for evil and used it for good? Like not just in like your own story, but in like some lessons, like tangible lessons.

Speaker 1:
[48:59] Well, I want to share just briefly, like I think what he's taught me is that he's a living being. And when I started studying Christianity, I think a lot of people just constantly recite back to scripture and that's beautiful. But he is also like a living, breathing being beside you every moment that you can speak to, that you can have conversation with. And I think that's one thing, like I can walk into a church and I feel like not one single person has a true relationship with Jesus. It's just what they think they should do because it's written in the book. You know, it's not actually he's not present in the room. He's not alive. It's just studious. It's like what we're taught to learn. I think that's been the main thing is like, I feel him beside me. Like he's a he's a real human. And even there's certain weeks where I don't read the Bible. I just speak to him. I just pray to him because he's just here like a human. And I think that in itself has been so profound for me because and I think that's why I'm actually so grateful of New Age is because I wouldn't have been open to this in that way before. You know, New Age had to open me up so much to then believe the truth of Jesus. I wouldn't have been able to if I didn't dive into that world and understand the spiritual realm to the degree I do. But I want to give you an example.

Speaker 2:
[50:16] You wouldn't be able to understand what? That God is a real tangible spirit and person with you?

Speaker 1:
[50:21] Yeah. Yeah, I definitely wouldn't have believed it. Like I needed to experience a lot of the spiritual realm to really believe in all of it. Otherwise, to me, it would have just been the Bible, a book. You know, like I didn't experience...

Speaker 2:
[50:33] To really believe it. To be like, this is actually life changing, day to day, walking by the power of God.

Speaker 1:
[50:39] Yeah, totally. Because as a child, you know, I went to church every single day and I didn't feel God. I didn't feel Jesus. I didn't feel him alive in the room at all, you know? So going on that and being so open to the spiritual realm and being attuned and sensitive and feeling energy, like that actually was how I met Jesus. He met me in the supernatural. And for everyone, it will be different because Jesus will meet you where you are. So for me, being entrenched in new age, he had to find me in the supernatural. I wasn't going to, if someone had to be a Bible or read a scripture, like I wasn't going to be like, no, he had to meet me in the supernatural where I would talk to my spirit guides every day. He had to find me that way. But I want to give an example, like of an experience, like, you know, the other day I was praying to Jesus, I was like, Jesus, this year, like, I really want to receive more flowers because I love flowers. It made me happy. And I was just like, you know what, I'm asking you for this. Like, I would like to receive more flowers. And I always do this to make, like to check if he's hearing, you know. And about two hours ago, three hours ago, I get a message from a friend of mine who's a very beautiful follower of Jesus, like loves Jesus. She actually in near-death experience, met Jesus. And she was like, Jesus is telling me to send flowers. Like, what's your address? I want to send you flowers. And I just thought that was such a beautiful example that Jesus, like in scripture, people experience him, but he's a living, breathing person that's intervening in your life. And then now, he's trying to work through your physical life. I'll give you another example because I'm very submissive to what he tells me. Like if I will absolutely do what he tells me at all times. Like the other night, he told me to go on to TikTok. He was like, go on to TikTok and post this Boba Boba video. And I post that video and this girl comments on my video. And immediately, I recognized her. I was like, oh, I've been obsessed with this girl's artwork for years. I used to watch her and she messages me and was like, I watched her testimony. I don't know if you'll see this, but I threw away all my tarot cards and I fully give my life to Jesus. And she started selling Jesus prints. Like she starts painting Jesus prints. And she was like, I'd love to send you one. And like it was such a beautiful moment of like, Jesus orchestrated that. There was nothing about me that would have done that. Or, you know, the other Naya was woken up at 3 a.m. and Jesus was like, grab your notebook. Like I need you to write down these things. And he started writing me down all these like video ideas and whatnot. But the reason I say that is like I experienced Jesus in a very supernatural way. You know, like I experienced him in that way. And I know that it's the real him because it's not like because like before, I think a lot of people think, I used to connect to Spirit Guides every day. I've just changed that for Jesus now, you know. But the difference with my Spirit Guides is they would always add this like stress and like this, Jesus feels so peaceful. And every time I ask him to reveal himself, he doesn't change, you know, he's Jesus. But he delivers so much peace and safety. And he's also been healing just so much around life because you have an anchor beside you all the time. And so I think that a lot of people, it's important to understand like he wants a relationship with you. Like he's leaning out his hand, but you have to hand out and like grab it with him. And how I've started to have a relationship with him is like, I just speak to him like a human, like I'm going to tell him about my day, about my concerns, about my worries and not hold that all in. Whereas before it was like crying to the universe, feeling like no one was out there to listen to me and just being like, I hope something can hear me, but I'm freaking out. Whereas Jesus is like right at your feet, like listening to you and wanting to hear you. And I think that relationship has been life changing for me. And I've tried to have that relationship with other things, like ascended masters, like Quan Yin or Ganesh or Buddha. I tried it, but it never satiated me. There's a reason it never satiated me, because Jesus isn't just Jesus. And I've said this and I'll say it again, because I think a lot of Christians would understand that in New Age, we know Jesus, we believe Jesus, but we think He's just an ascended master. I thought Jesus was a polyamorous, tantric master. And I would read all these channel texts about Jesus, that He was a Kundalini practitioner, that He would do Reiki and yoga, and He was polyamorous with all these different women, which is what initially made me hate Jesus. My heart was so hurt by that, which is again, such a smart tactic of the enemy to channel books about Him that are distorting scripture. I forgot where I was going with that. But for a new age, it's like Jesus, until you again experience the healing power of Jesus and the true peace that the Holy Spirit delivers, it's very hard to understand that. So you will intellectualize it. You'll try and rationalize with like, oh, so I would be like, I don't understand why people would just give their life to one dude until you really experience and realize he is the son of God. Like he is God, right? And I think that's where you feel the difference when you actually have that encounter and that experience. And it took me a long time to understand that because I wasn't ready for that. So yeah.

Speaker 2:
[55:48] I was going to end this asking you to speak to people that might be listening still in new age, because you've got a massive following of people who are following you for new age and they're now watching your videos, but I think you kind of just did it. I think you kind of just shared Jesus. And I think for those of us that have found the treasure hidden in the field, like the Bible talks about this parable where Jesus says, there was a man who found this treasure hidden in the field, and he sold everything he had to buy that field because he knew there was treasure in it. Like that's what it feels like. You're like, we've chased the whole world. We've tried everything. I mean, shoot, man, I play professional baseball. I've had a lot of different stuff. I've had money. I've been in debt. I've had success. I've had failure. I've had all these different things. The only constant of joy in my life has been Jesus because the only one who can satisfy your heart is the one who created it. And I think what's so tough is like a lot of, like you talk to a lot of people like new age people and there is that level of arrogance to where they're like, you just have ascended. You just don't know. I've made it past that. And it's like, bro, like, like, trust me. There's enough people like Ella Ringrose, like Rihann Suiharr, like, what was the lady who was like the big influencer lady?

Speaker 1:
[57:05] I don't actually know her name, but I can send you the podcast she did if you want to link it.

Speaker 2:
[57:09] Well, no, I was, I was talking about another lady. I just started following her because last, last podcast, you mentioned her. She was like the big new age, new influencer. Anyway.

Speaker 1:
[57:17] Oh, Doreen Virtue.

Speaker 2:
[57:19] Doreen Virtue, yeah. I started following her. Shout out Doreen Virtue.

Speaker 1:
[57:22] Yes. Well, yeah, she, no, I haven't. But what's what I, I kind of want to answer what you're asking, though, to speak to those people, because I want people to know like I was there. And I think the thing is that I think a lot of people are dismissing is like, I spent 10 years seeking. Like, it's not like, I'm just like, like I was, I hunted the truth down, and this is what I've come to the resolution of. And I never said anything before was the revolution resolution, because I was continuously still needing something more because it didn't satiate that, right? And so that is something that a lot of people don't understand. But what I find funny is like when I would, when I was deep in new age and I would watch people go to Jesus, for example, Doreen Virtue, I remember asking my guides like what happened to her? Like what happened to her? Like she's gone into that dogmatic religion, she's fear mongering, like what happened? And my guides told me that she had died and that her body was a clone. Because in new age, like there's, you know, the conspiracy in Hollywood, which some of it might be true about Hollywood. You know, I mean, a lot of stuff in Hollywood is true that we know in conspiracy theories, but that's what my guides told me. So immediately like dismissed it, right? And so that's the thing. What I noticed in my testimony was a lot of people commented. I remember one girl commented being like, I just tuned into Ella's higher self. She's been hijacked. And that is the problem. And what is the problem, I'm saying, with new age is you would tune into a theric answer and you just resolve that that's God. Like, oh, I just tuned into her higher self, or I just tuned into my spirit guides, or I'm just channeling this being or the Galactic Federation of Light. So when I was doing all this channeling work, it's like you have no idea what's entering, and there's no evidence to back what is being said. You just trust it and rely on it. That's why previously I said I took psychic greetings as God's word. Like if someone told me to do something, I was going to do it. And that's something I even noticed as a psychic that started to freak me out towards the end when I started giving it up was, I would never say something like that. I would want people to be misled. But what scared me is I like if I was a terrible human, I could say something and they would do it. Like I remember saying to my friend, like I feel like I could tell someone to chop off their leg and they would do it. I would never. But I noticed that with people who would show up for these calls, I was like, this is dangerous territory. Like I'm a good hearted person, but there's some people that are not. And they could tell you to do something that's horrific. And I know a lot of people who have gone to psychics and had a lot of been told things that are just so cruel. And it's a covenant being spoken over you, that you then come into submission with that spirit who's trying to interject that into your life. But I think with New Age, what I would say is that until, and it takes time, but until you invite Jesus into your heart and you start letting him chip down the walls around your heart, it's always going to be a rationalization or a mental thing. It's always going to have something to say. But what I would say is if you're triggered by it, if you're triggered by Jesus, if you're triggered by this, the amount of people that have been so triggered by this with me coming to Christ, like so triggered, they have so much to say, I would say question that. And in the New Age world, we're told to identify every trigger, we're told to sit with every trigger, but the one trigger I never wanted to look at was the Jesus trigger. Like I'm telling you, when I had people messaging me about Jesus, I would block them and I would never block anyone. I even had a man reach out to me like a week ago being like, you know, me and my wife were crying, watching your testimony, we're so happy. But I just wanted to ask if you could unblock my wife because she messaged you about Jesus a couple years ago and you blocked her. And I was just laughing because I was like, wow, yeah, like that's my point. Like anyone who spoke about Jesus, I was like block button. Like it rattled something in me. The trigger is real, specifically with New Agers. It's very real. And it took me about two years to break down those triggers. So what God has been showing me is like, and Dorian virtue was not for me, right? It's like it was a seed and God watered it. It took me a couple of years, but eventually it harvests and it's fruit, you know? So a lot of people who come to Jesus, who speak out about this and get a lot of hate, I know and God has shown me like, there will be a portion that maybe even five, 10 years will come to that. And there will be people who won't. But the point is, is like that trigger, those people that don't agree with it, like that's okay, and I was there, but I would lean into that and I'd be curious about it because what I was triggered about was, I wanted what that person had, which was peace, but I was also so against what they were doing. So anytime I'd watch a testimony of someone talking about you to Jesus and there was light pouring out of their eyes, I was like, I want what you have, but I also hate you because I don't want this to be the truth. And there would be a specific person where I kept going back to her video, I think like six times because her eyes were pouring with so much love and she seems so happy. And I remember looking at the comments, so much hate. And I was like, I'm really deeply triggered, but I want what you have. And so if you want peace, if you want happiness, if you want to experience true love with God, lean into that trigger because it will save your life. And I guess that's all I can really say. And I think everything is just a seed. And I pray that that gets watered every day.

Speaker 2:
[62:54] Amen. That's beautiful.

Speaker 1:
[62:56] Amen.

Speaker 2:
[62:56] What was that girl's name just out of curiosity?

Speaker 1:
[62:59] Her name was Kelly Kama. Her and her husband gave their lives to Jesus. I thought they were crazy. I think I unfollowed them and then kept going back to the video and then seeing the hate validated it. So I was like, oh, everyone feels this. She's crazy. And I think that added to my fire. But over time, I just kept going back and seeing how happy she was. And now I'm on the other side. And on the inside of it, I get it. You know, I really understand it.

Speaker 2:
[63:23] Yeah. Could you pray as we close? Could you pray for people that might be watching this? And maybe you're that person that they keep coming back to this video and they're like, why can't I not stop watching Ella Ringrose now? Could you just pray for them?

Speaker 1:
[63:37] Totally. OK, Jesus Christ, I pray that you make yourself known in the viewer's life, that you lean into their heart and may the viewer open their heart to you. As Jesus can truly break your bondage, if there is anything in your life, I ask you to hand it to Jesus Christ. Anything, whether it's worries, fears, loneliness, neglection, just hand it over to him and ask him to deliver you from that. A relationship with God is simply just reaching out your hand as Jesus has his hand out to you and he wants to speak to you, he wants to love you, he wants to comfort you and he wants to heal you and resolve whatever is going on in your life. And you just have to let out your hand. So we pray that you open yourself up to that idea. If you are resistant, we pray that you know that Jesus truly loves you and wants to lean into your heart and give you a new life. And also just being shown, it's like he wants to give you roses, he wants to give you a flower. But if our hands are fisted and they're tight, we can't receive when we can't open our hands to take that from him. So we ask that you open yourself up to receive any tight fistedness, anything that we're trying to hold that is controlling us to want to feel safe in what we believe. And we don't want that to change. We just ask that you soften and you open yourself up to other perspectives that actually are here to support you and love you and make you feel that you don't have to control anymore, that you can lead life from peace, from trust, leaning on God, our Father. Amen.

Speaker 2:
[65:10] Amen. Yeah, I was even just feeling during that prayer that there might be some people that really resonate with your comment about feeling alone. Like they chased the universe, they prayed to the universe, they prayed to the ayahuasca, to the tarot cards, or they've done the astrology, whatever, and they just feel alone. I would just encourage you, if that's you, to just do what Ella did and to call out to Jesus. What do you have to lose? You know, what do you have to lose? Just call out to Jesus.

Speaker 1:
[65:34] That's what he said to me. He was like, you have nothing to lose at this point. You're crying, Ella. I want to help you.

Speaker 2:
[65:40] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[65:41] Amen. Amen.

Speaker 2:
[65:43] Well, God bless you, Ella. Thank you for coming back on the podcast. And God bless you guys listening. Share this with someone. We pray that you would share it with a Christian, a psychic, you know, whoever. Just share it with someone that you maybe ask the Lord, like, Lord, who do I need to share this podcast with? And share it with them. But thank you guys for tuning in. We will see you guys on the Jesus People Podcast next week.