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Speaker 1:
[00:00] Hey, Spittin Chiclets listeners. You can find every episode on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Me and Ryan have been officially welcomed to the jungle that is Barstool Sports.

Speaker 2:
[00:15] I brought it towards the Coyotes, and I asked them if it was okay if I joined the Spittin Chiclets podcast full-time.

Speaker 3:
[00:22] Ryan Whitney's got a Pink Whitney out there now.

Speaker 1:
[00:24] This is a sandbanger, get that on camera.

Speaker 3:
[00:30] Keith is a full-time member. Marley just got an assist from Chris Bates.

Speaker 4:
[00:35] Whoa, we're buzzing right now.

Speaker 3:
[00:43] What is up, folks? Pinky's up. That's right, Biz. You get that Pinky up immediately. Episode 640 of Spittin Chiclets podcast, Chris Pronger, Matthew Tkachuk, and Pink Whitney. Pinky's up. I don't know if you guys saw that setup that Pink Whitney had at the Barstool Invitational at the park. I set it up. Did you set it up? Good job. I saw Zah and Spider. They're doing different Pinky's up dances. There's people in the crowd at Philly who, while hating me, still respect Pinky's up. The one guy doing the Pinky's up, sending me the video, Pinky's up your ass, Pittsburgh. So shout out Pink Whitney. Shout out Pinky's up. Biz, that was an interesting Pinky's up movement.

Speaker 2:
[01:21] What the Flyers fans are doing in the crowd. They get fired up.

Speaker 4:
[01:24] Hey, put some respect on the Flyers fans' name right now.

Speaker 3:
[01:27] Hey, we will get into that. We're actually going to start with that. G and RA are loving life right now. They're tied. I'm down in the dumps, a little bit nervous, but not panicking at all. Tied 1-1. Murls is loving life because of his fraud call.

Speaker 4:
[01:41] Oh no, oh no, oh no.

Speaker 3:
[01:42] Oh God, oh God.

Speaker 4:
[01:43] Oh no.

Speaker 3:
[01:44] And that, for anyone not watching on Netflix, is Darth Vlidar.

Speaker 2:
[01:50] I told you, idiots.

Speaker 3:
[01:55] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[01:55] I knew I'd own the Battle of Pennsylvania.

Speaker 3:
[02:00] And you battled through injury, Darth. Darth Vlidar thought he might have been, I could have been like an elbow, but nope, nope. Maybe playing it up, maybe injured and battled his way through.

Speaker 2:
[02:10] Where are my stormtroopers? Protect me.

Speaker 3:
[02:16] They're in the crowd drinking Pink Whitney. And what a barn in Philly. I mean, it had been so long. I think it's been five years since the playoffs, but that was the bubble in Toronto. Doesn't count it. Eight years, I believe, since a game in that arena, the Orange Crush Crew, and holy shit was that place buzzing. And they were down and then all of a sudden, they caught fire. And this series, I picked Pittsburgh, I want to say, it could have been five. Three steps? What?

Speaker 4:
[02:45] Three.

Speaker 3:
[02:48] Talk about being wrong once again. Biz, you were all over the Flyers. And Biz, I'll tell you right now, or Darth, that's why you paid the big bucks last night, because that breakdown, after the second period in discussing Pittsburgh and their stupidity and falling into the trap of scumbag behavior that the Flyers live on and thrive on, it might have lost them the whole series. Break it down again for us, because you crushed that one.

Speaker 2:
[03:13] So, I'm gonna take this off a little bit. Can you guys hear me clearly?

Speaker 3:
[03:18] Knock away, I would take it off. You made the effect, you are dark.

Speaker 2:
[03:23] Okay, thank you, thank you. Because I wanna get somewhat serious about this from a Pittsburgh standpoint. I wanted this series to go the distance. I wanted a seven game battle of Pennsylvania war. Going back to the Crosby-Ovie-Hattrick game, shit like that going on, right? It's good for the game, but my God, the game plan of the Pittsburgh Penguins coming to this one, what the fuck are they doing? Like, I wanna be very clear. I thought that it was bullshit that Philly got the power play out of that full scrum. It was. They shouldn't have, it should have been even at worst, if not Pittsburgh going on the power play.

Speaker 3:
[04:00] Okay, glad you said that.

Speaker 2:
[04:02] I also think that Hathaway sticking Crosby in the face, obviously on purpose being a rat going by and doing that. It sucks that Crosby left his feet, because I think it gave them the opportunity to even it up with embellishment. If he just grabs his face being like, what the fuck was that? I think Hathaway is going, and then they're going on the power play again. So I guess fair to give them the embellishment, but sometimes when you get hit in the face like that, when you're definitely not expecting it, because you're about to take a face off, and that's not even the guy you're taking the face off against who gets you, tough. But, buddy, penalties and plays like that go missed all the time. And Connect Me got that greasy little elbow the same way that Sam Bennett fucking popped Brad Marshaw in that one game and it wasn't caught. That shit is going to happen all playoffs long. And you have to eat it, and you have to suck it up, and that's what's going to happen if you want to have success in the playoffs. So what does he do? They're up 1-0, he fucking lowers himself to the standards of the dirtbag Philadelphia Flyers. You wrote it in the chat with their scumbags. They play scumbag hockey. They got a scumbag mascot. They got scumbag fans. They probably still want Rick Tocket fired at this point.

Speaker 3:
[05:15] Oh, yeah, no, no, no, no, I think they're switching bag.

Speaker 2:
[05:20] I fucking pretty Jordy from Barstool, who was fucking chirping the fuck out of me the entire time on Twitter while that was all going down. He's now tweeting about like, Michkov needs to sit, Michkov needs to sit. I sub-tweeted him today. I said, oh, the fucking turntables, my friend. But if you're the Pittsburgh Penguins, this is not your identity. You're not. You're the Toyota Camry. You're going to get great mileage. You're a great bargain. You're going to, you're going to get to go 200,000 miles, right? That's what you should be. You're built on rolling four lines, playing discipline, being good on special teams, getting solid goaltending at the right time, which they have gotten. How many fucking saves?

Speaker 3:
[06:04] Yeah, he's been, he hasn't been.

Speaker 4:
[06:06] But he's been good enough to win games. Bro, he's not on Skinner.

Speaker 2:
[06:11] 1,000 percent, it's not on Skinner, and he's made more quality saves on on their on Penguin's power plays than quality opportunities that the Penguins have gotten. So 1,000 percent not on Skinner. I don't understand after the first two games, going into Philly's environment, how the message in that locker room wasn't like, boys, if they fucking rub their stinky mitts in your face, if they if if Hathaway Hawks another loogie in your face, don't even fucking blink, just take it, try to get the power play. If the refs are snoozing again, whatever, you plow through it, battle through the adversity and just win a fucking hockey game. But what do they do? Connect me gets the little elbow, Rust fucking goes fucking bananas. Rust went over the top like he was trying to kill him on the ground.

Speaker 3:
[07:01] But then he didn't fight him.

Speaker 2:
[07:04] Then he didn't fight. So the one real gripe that Penguin fans have right now, and I'm going to throw it to you guys about this situation, is on the ground after he was basically getting choked out and Rust was on him, he kind of started kicking his heels towards him. Now, I don't know, man, pretty harmless with that amount of force and the fact that he's doing it with his heel, and it's not like he's doing it with his blade. Still not the play. Once again, that's probably why they should have ended up on the power play from that. Here's just a picture of it, and that's when it was going down. I don't know if Connect B, when Rust was standing over top of him, thought he kind of gave him a little bit of a kick with his feet too, and that's why he did it. But at the end of the day, I would say this to Travis Connect B's face. You guys play like scumbags. You're kind of a scumbag. But that just means, that means I love you. That means I love you. And I would want you on my team any day of the week, twice on Sundays. So what do you guys think about that entire situation and the Pittsburgh Penguins lowering their standards to play dirtbag Philadelphia Flyer hockey?

Speaker 3:
[08:13] I think that this has gone exactly as Philly could have. They couldn't have dreamed it would go this way. They couldn't have dreamed it would go this well. I haven't seen a fourth line dominate like this in a long time. And Chano Choncatturier, who has never been a fourth line player, and Flyers fans have been all up in this guy's ass for a few years, man. He's battled all these back injuries and he's been a captain. He's been a warrior. He's been a hell of a player throughout his career. It's been a tough go in Philly for a long time. This guy's on the fourth line. No complaints, no bitching. And their fourth line is owning Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh, Biz, you said it all year. Their fourth line was phenomenal. They're getting dominated. And I'll tell you, if this series ends in four, which I don't think anyone would be surprised at this point. I mean, maybe they're able to go out and get one. And Crosby's not going to go down with a sweep to the Philadelphia Flyers. But just look at Trevor Zeke, look at that nonsense that went down. And I agree with you, Biz, Philly had no, there's no way they end up with a power play after that madness. I don't get that, but whatever. It happened. And they score. They got 16 guys in the penalty box. Zegras skates over the box. The picture's incredible. The entire box is hugging like they're in a mosh pit. Zegras is celebrating. Now he's down in front of the Penguins penalty box with 16 guys in their box. And I'm like, holy shit, the Penguins are up one nothing. They got control of this game. Zegras scores on the power play and then I think four minutes later, it's 3-1. It was like, what just happened? They just won this series in a span of six minutes. And it's exactly how they imagined it. The fans were unreal. Like watching on TV, like that was a lot like Buffalo. I mean, they've been waiting. It hasn't been 14 years, but eight, it's not like a long time. And that's a hockey city, man. They love it. They eat up the scumbag behavior. They were. And the kick, I think he gets fine. I mean, I know you're saying it wasn't super hard. It's with his heel. It kicks a kick. I get the penguins.

Speaker 2:
[10:21] Well, if a kick's a kick, it's a match penalty. So like, do you think he should get sussied? Like what was it?

Speaker 3:
[10:27] That's where I see your point.

Speaker 2:
[10:29] I think it's hard to explain to non-hockey people and guys who didn't play. I don't think that if you pulled the entire NHL, none of the guys are to say he should be suspended for that. But you shouldn't be doing that, even though it's with your heel and not the actual skate blade. You just don't do it. But it wasn't like he went out like that. He was doing it with his heel like that to trip him, to get him from stop being over top of him. He was basically mauging him.

Speaker 3:
[10:57] Well, Flyers fan said, if you've ever seen an infant try to get up, he was just trying to get up. He was just trying to get up to. But Kik, let me ask you, you played with Keturier.

Speaker 4:
[11:05] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[11:06] He's got three points in three games. My thing is though, he's fucking killing people. Was he doing that when you play with him? I don't remember him as this overly physical guy.

Speaker 4:
[11:16] No, he was more like really good stick, get in on the forecheck using his stick, but he was also playing 20 to 22 minutes a night and probably didn't want to hit guys and exert his energy that way. So now that he's playing a lesser role, he can go out there and run around. It just proves to why he's the captain of that team. Because a lot of guys, if you've been on the first, second line for 12 years and then you get bumped down, you're going to play hard, but he's playing like he's been a fourth-liner his whole career. And he's doing it the right way. In Philadelphia, if you think of winning a series in the NHL playoffs, you got to have depth scoring, you got to have good defensive play, good goal-tending and good special teams. They're getting goals from Nick Seeler, Rista Linen, Hathaway, who's the other guy on that line?

Speaker 3:
[12:07] Glenn Denning. Nine flyers have recorded two or more points against the Penguins. And I'll tell you, there are some, because I texted the group, no shows on Pittsburgh's roster right now. Not only no shows offensively, like Manta, I don't know, the guy had 33 goals this year. He flips it up, they're up 3-2. Now, granted, we've seen a bunch of guys flipping it over the glass. I understand the pressure of the game so fast. They're down 3-2, they got momentum. He flips it over the glass. Boom, no, okay, it's game over. And like Chinakov, it's just, it's domination. Domination by Philly. And I never saw this coming. And I should have based on how they were playing. What are they, are they like, look it up, G. I think they're like 21-6 in their last 27 games. Like they are just humming and Tauket's got them going and they have depth. And when your fourth line's playing like this, along with Bissonnette, Darth Vlidar, man, it is impressive.

Speaker 4:
[13:10] With Shane Gillis doing the opening thing, you knew they were coming out hot. Like the guy's all time. He's all time. He's gonna get the juices going. A Philly.

Speaker 2:
[13:19] Buffalo should hire him.

Speaker 3:
[13:21] Well, we'll get into Buffalo and Josh Allen.

Speaker 2:
[13:24] God.

Speaker 4:
[13:24] But hey, can we talk about Owen Tippett? Like another, he's obviously a stud player now too, but he's killing somebody every game. And he's making himself, and I remember when I was a kid, my dad would always be like, hit somebody once a game so people know, like whatever. And obviously I stopped listening after like 12 years old. But like, if you're a guy, if you hit someone once a game, you're going to see it on the video. You're going to be hesitant to go back. If you're a forward and you know he's back checking, you're going to be hesitant to cut to the middle. Like he is a true power forward and he's playing so well. I mean, the whole team is, but I think he's like the, as he goes, their team goes.

Speaker 2:
[14:02] And I guess at this point, it's not even fair to call Couturier and those guys the fourth line because they're lugging 17 minutes ice. Like they're being relied upon on in heavy situations. And like you guys mentioned, that second and third goal, that was the fourth line getting it done. Like they're getting, after they changed the momentum, they're being thrown over the boards just as much, if not more than any other line. And I know it wasn't their line who scored the goals. It was both the defensemen, but my goodness, just great work winning puck battles and going back, like did you, like this, I know the bullshit of the fact that they were on the power play, right? It shouldn't have been that. I don't even know if the Penguins guys who were killing the penalty realized that they were killing a penalty. Did you see?

Speaker 3:
[14:49] So that was your breakdown that I loved, man.

Speaker 2:
[14:51] So this is like hockey 101 for fucking amateurs. Tip used to stress this all the time. If you're the guy coming over the blue line and it's like, let's say a two on two or three on three. If you end up missing the net as the shooter, more than likely you have the other two guys driving the net. You better be F1 coming back. Like you better fucking the minute it leaves your stick and you're like, Oh, this missed the net. You're beelining back to your own net to make sure it's not an odd man rush. So they get sprung. Now, here's another bullshit. They got away with one. It was it was kind of a semi two on one. And Forrester grabs the jersey really quickly gives it a little sling shot. And all of a sudden it's a two on two kind of bullshit. They got away with another one. But if you go back to game two in Pittsburgh, I think we can all agree that Pittsburgh was getting the calls. Like they were sent to the power. It was a prey to the penalty box for the Philadelphia Flyers. They I think they had in the first in the first like half of the game, they had four power plays guys. They had two shots on that game at that point and gave up two breakaways and like a two on oh. I think they've given up I think on their power play like three two on oh so far this series. Like that's fucking insane man. I would have a meltdown as a coach in the locker room. So it's Lazott and Achari going on this two on two. But Lazott like just pull up, like go to the boards, rag the puck, kill some clock. At this point you're up one nothing, you're trying to kill this off, kill their momentum, whatever little that they have at that point, and live to fight another day. So he misses it completely. And the next thing you know, it's a three on two easy zone entry going back the other way. And you're like, where the fuck are these guys still aren't in my screen yet? Why aren't they back checking? So they get in the zone. Well, they lose one puck battle, they lose another puck battle, and then boom, it's in the fucking back of their net. It's like it's it's it's it's just stupid fucking hockey. They just their brains fell out of their head. And that's all that's if the if I was the coach before that game, my main message would have been like, boys, don't react to anything. Be the most be the vanilla lattes that you are. Roll four lines, skate them into the ground, because that's what they have the ability to do. And I got to I got to give credit, man. I know people are aware of who who Sanheim is.

Speaker 4:
[17:20] He sees his dick.

Speaker 2:
[17:24] It's fucking brutal. I would if I had to do one on ones against him in practice, I would be I would be that fucking Russian guy from Minnesota flicking over the glass. I would be Mampa.

Speaker 3:
[17:32] There's a lot like Slaven, like they both skate so well. Their sticks are they're not overly physical. They can add offense, but it's not like a main part of their game. Usually there. He's an incredible shutdown defenseman.

Speaker 4:
[17:45] And he can bring some offense to bring offense.

Speaker 2:
[17:48] I mean, look at the goal in score.

Speaker 3:
[17:50] I know. It's just been...

Speaker 4:
[17:52] Yeah, I love Dan Muse, great guy, but he looks like he's in over his head too, as along with the whole team. So there's gotta be, I don't know what's gonna be said in between game three and game four, but there's gotta be something that's said in that locker room where we gotta figure something out. And when you get down in a series too, you wanna go out and fucking do it your first shift and get mad, hit somebody. Like you've said, Biz, this whole time, they're not built that way. They gotta go back to the way that they know how to win. And whether it's Sid doing what he does and having a pop off game and Gino, Gino's been good. But I think the biggest thing, put Hazy in, put the big fella in. It's his old team. Why not that bottom four line that you talked about all year? That was great. They haven't done shit. Bring them in, let them do his thing.

Speaker 2:
[18:41] Yeah, it's, I don't.

Speaker 3:
[18:43] It's been shocking. I've been shocked. I just, I got to give credit. Muse has to get a shirt that fits his neck. His neck, his shirt's way too big.

Speaker 2:
[18:54] It's, I think they could start there.

Speaker 3:
[18:56] Yeah, his dress shirt is way too big. That could be, and I get-

Speaker 2:
[19:01] You think that's the issue?

Speaker 3:
[19:02] It could be. It's part of it. The Penguins fans, they're just, they're furious about the officiating. I mean, LaTang's son is making TikToks nonstop about how bad the refs are.

Speaker 2:
[19:12] No way.

Speaker 3:
[19:13] And I couldn't believe, you know, news comes out after and he says, Crosby's never embellished once in his career.

Speaker 4:
[19:19] He was pretty known for that early, wasn't he?

Speaker 3:
[19:21] Early on he was, he's actually never, that was his first ever penalty for embellishment though. So technically by the, by the letter of the law, he had never embellished.

Speaker 2:
[19:30] I think we can all agree that they have a gripe, but mostly for game three. I thought that in game two that they got the advantage as far as the calls and they didn't take advantage. So yeah, I don't, the fact that they found themselves in those situations after being up one nothing is is just dumb.

Speaker 4:
[19:50] It's also it's also be careful what you wish for. You want more power plays. That's that you're giving up two breakaways a game on the other end. So and I don't think they've scored short handed yet, have they? So like that might be coming too. So be careful what you wish for.

Speaker 2:
[20:04] No, they have that the with Hathaway got one.

Speaker 4:
[20:07] Oh, that was yeah.

Speaker 2:
[20:08] Yeah, Hathaway from Tipit, that solo effort that was the oh, yes, yes. In that was their new the shift.

Speaker 4:
[20:15] That was insane.

Speaker 2:
[20:17] Their modern day version. But I don't really have much else to say. I don't know.

Speaker 4:
[20:20] Shout out to the Flyers fans. Let's say you give them something to cheer about. Oh, my God. And it's the building. I mean, you mentioned it with that looked fucking insane.

Speaker 2:
[20:28] I will say, though, that the longer that they keep advancing, the more I'm just going to bring up the fact that I own half of their fan base.

Speaker 3:
[20:37] Oh, the longer they go, you look like a hockey genius. So I'll give you credit on that. I would think most Flyers fans right now are, like, in their group chats, like, we were wrong. Like, Biz might have been right.

Speaker 2:
[20:52] Jordy has not reached out to say that he was one of the biggest catalysts going after me that I was a donkey.

Speaker 3:
[20:59] I couldn't believe that Michkov penalty, too. And then it's like, oh, my God, I don't think this guy's getting back.

Speaker 2:
[21:04] So let's have the Michkov conversation. Like, first of all, he had a great end to the season after the Olympic break. To say that he is like a 15 percent reason as to why they made playoffs, I think you're smoking crack with Gritty. I think there's so many other variables that go into what makes this team successful. But he's not necessarily equipped for playing a defensive, fast, Gritty style of hockey come playoff time. And I think that he's left to be vulnerable. I don't think you take him out of the lineup, because then all of a sudden it becomes a storyline, maybe with half of the idiot fan base. So they're in a little bit of a difficult spot here because they haven't lost.

Speaker 3:
[21:48] So they haven't lost.

Speaker 2:
[21:51] But he's also visibly not been that good, right? Can we agree on that? Going back to last game, the Gerard grade A chants, lost his own coverage. Early, the first shift in game three at home, had the turnover inside the blue line. He just, it's not clicking like it is for the other guys who are embracing this type of environment and this type of play.

Speaker 3:
[22:13] Oh, the better skaters?

Speaker 2:
[22:16] Be careful, buddy. Be careful.

Speaker 3:
[22:18] That was, that was my original take. So I may be a genius too, if they keep moving on and he's actually out of the lineup. But I don't want to break down the Flyers fans. I don't want to put on.

Speaker 4:
[22:27] Before we leave the Flyers, did you guys see the forecheck by Hathaway before the sealer goal?

Speaker 2:
[22:34] No.

Speaker 4:
[22:35] I wish we could run it. You got to watch it. He legit, it was a kamikaze mission. He hit his back and his legs on the glass.

Speaker 3:
[22:43] Oh yeah, and then he's on the bench. He changed and he's going nuts as they score it.

Speaker 4:
[22:46] Yeah, I saw that. It was unbelievable. The forecheck was insane. He could have killed someone and then they end up scoring. But if Michkov wants to stay in the lineup, if they move on and he's not playing as well, he's got to do stuff like that. But will he do that?

Speaker 3:
[23:01] So Philly up 3-0 in total control, amazing. Congrats to them so far. It's not over, but it seems to be. It seems to be, though. When we talk about Penguins fans and their disgust towards the refs, I don't know if I've seen a fan base more upset at refs than the Minnesota Wild. They're losing their goddamn minds. They think Jamie Ben should be in prison in the... What was that movie?

Speaker 4:
[23:29] What's the suit?

Speaker 2:
[23:30] The Green Mile.

Speaker 4:
[23:31] Dan Quentin?

Speaker 3:
[23:33] What's the suit he wears? What's the actor?

Speaker 2:
[23:36] Is it Tom Hanks?

Speaker 4:
[23:37] No, no, no.

Speaker 3:
[23:38] No, not Tom Hanks.

Speaker 4:
[23:39] Buffalo Bill?

Speaker 3:
[23:40] Yeah, yeah, the guy, Buffalo Bill.

Speaker 4:
[23:43] Straight Jacket.

Speaker 3:
[23:44] Straight Jacket, but what is that movie called, boys? Silence of the Lambs. Jamie Ben, enemy number one. But I'll say this before we talk about what's going on in that series. Minnesota is just so used to just playoff heartbreak. Playoff heartbreak after playoff heartbreak. They can't get a lead 2-0 in a series. They lose game two. Dallas, great effort in game two. Game three, they're going home. Boys, this is when we're going to find out what the Wild are made of. This team is different. I think every fan of the Wild will tell you this is a different team. I'm telling you this is a different team. They have what it takes to get it done, to at least get out of the first round. Forget the Stanley Cup. They're down 2-1. They're playing game four at home. This is when we will find out if it's a different Wild team. Because if they can't show up and get a win and if Kaprizov can't play a little better than he has been, then Dallas will take control of this series. But Biz, what are your thoughts so far? What do you think of the last night?

Speaker 2:
[24:45] Jans texted to the group chat this morning just talking about their hatred for the refs. One of the most wild things I've ever seen from a Minnesota fan base when it comes to the state of hockey. So I didn't remember who it was, but I saw it and then I saw them overreact. I think it was Wyatt Johnson you mentioned, right? Jans?

Speaker 4:
[25:06] Yes, Wyatt Johnson.

Speaker 2:
[25:08] He's over the red line, on the offensive side of it. This is in, I believe, the first overtime, maybe even overtime too. He flicks it. It goes over the glass in the offensive zone. The Minnesota fans were losing their minds wanting to delay a game penalty.

Speaker 3:
[25:26] I had never seen anything like it.

Speaker 2:
[25:28] I'm like, what the fuck is going on here? Do these people not know what the fuck is going on?

Speaker 3:
[25:34] Were we missing something behind the play that were upsetable? Because I refuse to believe that they thought that was delay a game.

Speaker 4:
[25:42] What is the universal sign for delay a game? What does everybody on the bench do? What does everybody in the stands do? You go like this, throw your hand up, like it's out, it's out. Everyone in the bottom row did it. I was sitting there. I mean, it was getting late. I'm like, maybe I'm delusional here. But no, they, for the state of hockey to be thinking that a puck out of the zone in the neutral zone closer to the offensive zone than the defensive zone should be a penalty. I don't think anyone who stood up should get, should be able to go to another game.

Speaker 2:
[26:14] I agree. I agree. You got to give your ticket up.

Speaker 4:
[26:16] You got to put it up.

Speaker 3:
[26:18] I just, man, they go down 2-0, and it's like, wow, Dallas. We knew Dallas. They're not going anywhere. Tested in the playoffs. So many good players. And Mini comes back, dude. And not only do they come back, they tie it up. Then they kill about 45 seconds of that five on three. They finish off the kill. McCarran gets the puck in the neutral zone. What a shot by him. He's been great in this series. Awesome on the PK, can win draws, scores that big goal. They get up three two. And we haven't even mentioned another boldy masterpiece. Oh my God. Holy shit. Like this team is nails. Like this team is different. They come back from two oh at home. It's three two. They have complete control. And they still can't win that game. And their power play, dude, is not, it is not good.

Speaker 4:
[27:06] No.

Speaker 3:
[27:06] It has to be better or they're fucked.

Speaker 4:
[27:09] With the play, when they were up three two, they tied it. The sequence of events that happened, Puck hit Wollstedt in the head. His helmet didn't come off. He ripped it off. He like kind of shook it off. So faceoff ends in their zone. Instead of going down, killing some time, whatever. Faceoff in their end. Minnesota ends up coming down, almost scoring. Autinger makes an unreal save. Boldy kind of missed it, back door tap in. And then they come down. And Rantan makes that incredible play over to Dutchie, which is an insane pass, but an insane shot too. But it's those little small things that it takes in playoffs where, hey, if you're the goalie and you see the puck getting shot down, that's going to kill 20 seconds. Just button up your helmet yourself instead of ripping it off. Like it's little my new things.

Speaker 3:
[27:55] And I didn't even know, I think it was Edsobiz on that broadcast. It was like, that's not an automatic whistle. Like I kind of, I think I've heard that. I just couldn't. He's like, the ref has complete, you know, he's able to not blow the whistle just because your helmet's off. If there's a play going on and if you knock it off on your own, like that's not an automatic.

Speaker 2:
[28:14] Yeah, I think it's, they tend to like blow it quick for goalies. I got obviously that case. I thought it was actually weird in the Flyers game when Volodara lost his skate blade. They blew it down right away, which was a weird one.

Speaker 3:
[28:28] It was a couple seconds though.

Speaker 2:
[28:29] Yeah, yeah. But they still blew it down. It was still in the D zone, I think. But Yans, you just mentioned that, that rotten and when he got it on the tying goal, 99 percent of guys try to fire that and score that goal. Yes. There was a little bit of an opening. But for him to do the pump fake, do another pump fake and then everybody's just scrambling in the middle. I used to try to get the block or get in his way, and then he just finds Dutchie back door. I feel like Dutchie maybe earlier in his career and even halfway through his career, well, one, he was getting bought out by the Nashville fucking Predators and maybe got labeled as a guy who couldn't raise his level come playoff time. But he has been one of the best players in the series, especially in the absence of Rupe Hintz.

Speaker 3:
[29:16] How about the back check he had to stop? That was incredible.

Speaker 2:
[29:20] Yeah. Take it away, man. It's been really, really cool to see for a guy who's been kind of pigeon tossed throughout the first half of his career, where he's found a perfect home. We've had him on to talk about it as well, where he'll do anything for this Dallas team, and he is doing it right now. The next name that we have to mention, we'll get to Wyatt Johnson in the scoring goal and how sick and nasty he is at tippin pucks.

Speaker 4:
[29:45] You know what Wyatt Johnson's comparison is with what Liam Blutman told me? I would say Joe Pavelski, because they were together, and I remember seeing videos of them working together. Such a good call by Bloody.

Speaker 2:
[30:00] Well, yeah. It's on the broadcast. Liam McHugh brought it up as well. He lived with Joe Pavelski. He lived there. He started developing that skill when he got to the NHL. I was going to say, when you saw a set of Comparable, I feel like Jake Gensel was, and always has been, very good around the blue paint for a small guy. Finding empty space, even embracing and taking contact for being a smaller player. Always finding that loose puck, and just being a little bit of a squid in there. A very slippery sucker, as they say. And he ends up tipping in an absolute beauty, and their power play comes to life. Before I get to Miro Haskinen, I thought when they had that power play before, they went through about a minute and a half of it. And I thought Gullitzen was going to call a timeout, and maybe use it to get the fresh legs for the last 30 seconds of that power play. He decides not to. He goes with the second unit. They actually got a pretty good scoring chance out of it. And what's he do when they get their next power play? Robertson and I think one or two other guys from their power play were on the ice when they drew the over-the-glass call. It finally uses that timeout. They get to the whiteboard. They make a few adjustments and boom into the back of the net. It's a classic example. Minnesota, it's right in their fingertips. They got it, and then they drop it. They had plenty of power play opportunities. They just can't find a way. Kaprizov off to the side of the net. Unbelievable save by Ottinger. Total difference of what both organizations have been through in playoff time.

Speaker 3:
[31:38] So I want to quickly, I want to get into the wild fans complaints, but I do want to bring up that they are 1 for 11 in the last two games in the power play. Who are they missing?

Speaker 2:
[31:51] Zuccarello.

Speaker 3:
[31:52] They're missing Zuccarello.

Speaker 2:
[31:53] Is he a righty?

Speaker 3:
[31:54] They had, he's a lefty. They had five power plays in the third period in overtime. Nothing, right? They have Brink out there. Why don't you put Faber out there with Hughes? Look at Faber so far in this series.

Speaker 4:
[32:06] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[32:06] He could score, he's offensive, he's got a great shot, he could skate, just go with the 2D system. I don't know if Wilde fans agree with that, but like, I would love to have Faber out in the power play. Right? And I understand not having Zuc's a big loss, but Kaprizov has to be way better, and Wilde fans, they're talking about it. I mean, he starts making 17 million next year, an amazing first game. It was a blowout. Where has he been in the last two? In terms of the Jamie Ben hit on Boldy, I loved Henrik Lundqvist on the broadcast. I couldn't believe Antica was like, that's not on purpose at all. It's like, I don't know, man. Like Jamie Ben, this is what this guy does. He is a motherfucker. And to just immediately say that all that was...

Speaker 2:
[32:51] I have to kind of eat it too, because I said that, like, you just can't pin it on him. Like, he's jumping. He's jumping, looking like he's out of the way. And in real time, the refs, like, are you...

Speaker 3:
[33:03] I agree, because I think, I think, depending on who it is... What should they do?

Speaker 2:
[33:06] Call a match? Should they call a match and then review it? Like, what should they do in that situation?

Speaker 4:
[33:11] Yeah, that's the only time you could do that.

Speaker 3:
[33:12] I don't know. It happens quick. But I'll say there's guys who, when they do things like Ben it, I'll put Jamie Ben there, like, it may not look on purpose. And then you're like, well, look who it is. Look who it is. And Wild, but Wild fans, they just, they are so adamant that they're getting fucked over by the refs. It's like, your power plays had 11 chances in the last two games. You got one goal. You're up three to two in the third period. You get guys sliding around. Yes, that ranted and pass was incredible. We didn't even mention that Duchenne, that's not an easy offside one-timer. Like, he one-timed that thing. I thought he was gonna at least drag it in. He had like no angle there. And then they end up taking over and winning that game. But another example of, we talked about Manta flipping it over the glass and Cates makes it four-two. That you're off. Like, he flips it over the glass and double overtime. You said Galtzen takes the time out. Boom, game over. They have control. I just wanna see the Wild in game four. Like, this, what are they made of? Are they the same old Wild, right? Are they gonna just kinda up, down three-one, lost both home games? There we go, another first-round exit. Are they gonna come back, play the game of their season? I don't know if Zuccarell will be able to play. You kinda realize now, after what Stepan said to us on Monday, how important he is, like, they need him back. I don't know what's going on there, but that's another headshot that Wild fans are furious about that Myers gave him.

Speaker 2:
[34:40] Okay, and then how do you guys feel about, like, Foligno getting whoever on the turnbuckle?

Speaker 3:
[34:45] Harley. Exactly, that's true.

Speaker 2:
[34:49] So it's kinda like, okay, what do they want? They want Ben, they want Ben gone? They want him sent to the electric chair? Is that what they want? I feel like that's a situation where you accidentally on purpose, sucks that Boldy went down the tunnel, but he came back and had a goal, or assisted on that goal, like he fucking was at the Olympics again. So I agree with you, Whit. You can't really put it on the officials, if you're many Wild fans, you just wanna go bananas because you hate Jamie Benin, he's a serial killer. But in the same breath, you got dirtiness going on in the other side as well.

Speaker 3:
[35:22] And in terms of the complaints about, they were also complaining about Dushane on Foligno, that one, knowing Dushane's game, that one, the shot was blocked and he just got tripped up on him and kind of landed on the back of his head. I did not think any part of that was on purpose.

Speaker 2:
[35:37] No.

Speaker 4:
[35:37] I agree. Do you think Minnesota goes to Gustafson?

Speaker 3:
[35:41] I don't know because I think Wallstead's been pretty good.

Speaker 4:
[35:44] Yeah, no, it has been good.

Speaker 3:
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Speaker 2:
[37:29] So quick other thing before developing is I just saw this video. It looked like Russ kind of gave...

Speaker 3:
[37:37] Oh, he gave him a little bit of a kick.

Speaker 2:
[37:39] Gave him a little bit of a kick. So that was just a different angle that I hadn't seen before.

Speaker 3:
[37:43] They're equal on the kicks.

Speaker 2:
[37:45] Yeah, we had a kickoff.

Speaker 3:
[37:46] Let's bring Prongs in. He knows a little bit about that. Being in a piece of...

Speaker 2:
[37:52] The next Leafs GM right there, folks. Let's go. Let's go. You have a great tan going right now, Prongs.

Speaker 3:
[38:01] Left sides.

Speaker 5:
[38:03] That's right.

Speaker 2:
[38:05] That's right.

Speaker 5:
[38:05] There's a lot of things you can do. There's a lot of things you can do for vitamin D.

Speaker 2:
[38:10] Prongs. Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 3:
[38:12] What's up, buddy? We just chatted. We chatted Philly, Pittsburgh. We chatted Minnesota, Dallas. I don't know if you have any thoughts on either one of those before we get into the Edmonton Oilers and some thoughts I have there.

Speaker 5:
[38:26] There seems to be, as in all playoffs, a lot of question marks around goal-tending.

Speaker 3:
[38:30] Yes.

Speaker 5:
[38:31] And the other series are no different, regardless of pedigree. Vasilevsky under the bus after game one in Tampa. It's that time of year, I guess, right?

Speaker 3:
[38:42] No doubt. No doubt.

Speaker 2:
[38:43] Do you have any emotional attachment to the Battle of Pennsylvania, having played for the Flyers? Like, how do you feel that series is gone and maybe what would you have done differently to approach it if you were in that Penguins' locker room based on where they're at right now?

Speaker 5:
[39:00] Um, I have a little attachment, of course, I want the Flyers to win. First and foremost, but I think just what they went through the last, let's call it 30, 40 games. Actually, really the first 40, when they were under siege from fans and you were a nice recipient of some of that vitriol. But I think as we've, as the scene has gone along and I think all of that has transpired, I think it creates some scar tissue, I think it brings them closer together as a group. And I think now we're seeing a byproduct of the development. I think the understanding of their systems and structure, the talk, I think people, whether they realize it or not, he's very sound defensively in his structure and how he wants the team to play in against a team like Pittsburgh, that's in his wheelhouse. So he's going to shut them down. And then they've got the offensive weapons to then, you know, with Tyson Forrest to come back and Adam Porter-Martone, they've got more offensive weapons and Tippett taking his game to a next level, my God. I mean, think about the last time I was on with you and, you know, talking about him and how inconsistent his second half of the year, if he can keep this going for the rest of his career, it's going to be an impressive stretch for him personally, I think.

Speaker 4:
[40:27] Prongs, you played against Tach and you know, obviously he's been around the league, you've been around the league. What do you see that the way he played that he brings to this team? Because they're motherfuckers out there.

Speaker 5:
[40:40] Well, as everybody knows, he played hard, highly competitive, you know, I think. But from a grit standpoint, but then showing up in key moments and being accountable, you know, I think that's something that I see with their team that maybe they were lacking more so than anything else. It's just the accountability to one another and, you know, playing the system, but then playing hard every single night and every single shift, it becomes contagious. And you're seeing that, I think, and him not caving maybe into the pressures of the fan base with the development of Matt Vamitkoff and some of the other younger players in forcing them to kind of learn the system and the structure that he wants them to play with, without, you know, as they now understand that, and they kind of take hold of that, without eliminating their offensive capabilities. You know, I think playing tight defensively, they get quick stops, they get in transition, their defense score gets it up quick, and then those forwards, they can move. And you see them playing with pace and speed, and really attacking with a purpose. And I think that's something they've lacked in years past.

Speaker 2:
[41:50] Rogs, I think obviously after game three, one of the topics of conversations is Pittsburgh fans really feel like they got hosed, like with the embellishment call on Crosby, with the way they connect me went after Russ. Have you ever been in series where you felt like you were getting the short end of the stick, especially after like one particular game? And how do you combat?

Speaker 5:
[42:09] Every single one of them. We got short changes every playoff series. It's a joke. The National Hockey League should be embarrassed.

Speaker 2:
[42:20] I don't know. That's obviously you're joking, right?

Speaker 5:
[42:23] Yes, I am joking.

Speaker 2:
[42:26] But I'm sure that there's been a few games where you have been frustrated. How do you act in the locker room? What do you do to talk or settle down your teammates? What's the appropriate approach for the way that Pittsburgh should handle it after maybe feeling that after game three?

Speaker 5:
[42:41] Yeah. As you all know, they've got a very experienced locker room. They've been there, done that. They've been a part of countless teams on the highest stages. I expect you'll get their best in game four. I think it's more a calming and understanding. They still had plenty of looks with respect to power play. They really didn't generate a whole lot. They looked like they were struggling to move the puck around. In zone, Philly did a really good job of pressuring at the right time and eliminating seam passes and eliminating the middle of the box. In doing so, I think it really angered them a little bit and maybe got them off their game. And then if you're Pittsburgh, it's more just like it's one game at a time. When you're down three zip, you're on death's door. You have to really be focused on next shift. I mean, the cliches come out, obviously, but it's next shift, next period, next. There is nothing after this next game if they don't win. So it's a matter of finding some momentum, getting a lead and then holding the lead and trying to defend a little bit better because they've struggled at times.

Speaker 3:
[43:52] Prongs going over to Minnesota and Dallas. I forgot to mention this part. If the Wild lose their 10th straight playoff series, that would be the longest in NHL history. Do you think they have what it takes to get back in this series, win game four at home? And would you say if they lose that go down three one, that's curtains for them this series?

Speaker 5:
[44:11] If they go down three one, it's curtains. Yes. So this next game, two, two or three one, vitally important, especially with Dallas having home ice. That's only going to add to the pressure and allow the momentum and the Dallas Stars to really confidence to continue to build. They're getting their big guys all engaged now offensively, which doesn't play into the Minnesota Wild winning very much as you get Robinson involved and you get White Johnson involved. Hayskinen is looking great. All of their younger weapons or mid-tier weapons are playing at a high level, and that's where they're most dangerous. And then you add Ranton and some of these other guys, and it's a machine.

Speaker 2:
[44:57] I didn't really get a chance to go into Hayskinen too much before you hopped on, Prongs, like who would you compare them to from your time? And like, what do you see from this guy? He missed the last, I believe, three games before playoff started. And there was maybe some question marks on whether he was even gonna play. And I think he lugged 41 minutes last night.

Speaker 3:
[45:19] And quickly, we had the discussion with you about number one defenseman. I believe last night it was 10 minutes power play, 10 minutes PK, and like 23 minutes five on five. That's kind of what you were talking about.

Speaker 2:
[45:30] Is that qualified?

Speaker 4:
[45:33] He's like, no.

Speaker 5:
[45:35] He's in the conversation.

Speaker 4:
[45:36] Did he have seven penalties? No.

Speaker 5:
[45:39] Yeah, how many crosschecks did he inflict on his opposition? No, he's definitely in the conversation. He's had a great year. It's nice to see him come off last year with the ACL and everything, and to come back with the type of year he's had. He is as important a player on that team as anybody. A, with the minutes he logs, but how he dominates when he's out there. He's such a slick, simple puck mover. He's not flashy, makes a smart play. He's highly effective defensively. He's such a great skater, elite edge work. He's a fun player to watch. And again, Haskinen, McCarr, three, four in the draft. It's, I don't know if there's a right or wrong way to go. I think if you're Colorado, you're thinking Dallas, but he's starting to, I see his game getting to that elite level now where he's in the conversation for the Norris. He always left me wanting a little bit more and now he's kinda getting over that hump.

Speaker 2:
[46:39] He made a play on that first goal about 90 seconds into the game. He didn't get an assist, but I think it was Duchenne moved it to Robertson and Robertson's looking to go back door to Ratton and he's getting his middle lane driving and he doesn't even look at Robo. He goes right to Middleton and he locks up his stick and allows that seam pass to go over like just, I just feel like his hockey intelligence from a 200 foot game and so many areas of the game that he touches. I think he's top what, eight D-men in the league year over year easily if not top five and to come off like you said, to come off an ACL and do what he's doing, it's pretty remarkable. I was just going to quickly go back to Philadelphia. Did you remember having any funny or silly interactions with their crazy fans? I remember Sean Burke told me a story. He was playing there and they won 2-1 and he was leaving the rink and one of their own fans was like, you suck Burke and he's like, we fucking won 2-1. He's like, yeah, but the goal you let in was shit. He's like, you cannot keep these fucking idiots happy. They're miserable. You know what?

Speaker 5:
[47:47] They want perfection. My favorite experience was my first year pre-season. We are winning, I think it was 5-1 or 5-2. There's like two minutes left. And there's like a guy five rows up back. I'm now firmly planted on the bench. I'm not leaving. There's two minutes left. Do something out there, Pronger. Oh my God. I turn around and I look at him. I'm like, buddy, there's two minutes left. He goes, I don't care.

Speaker 2:
[48:14] It's fine too. Let's go.

Speaker 5:
[48:16] We'll fight somebody.

Speaker 2:
[48:17] Do something.

Speaker 5:
[48:18] I'm like, it's pre-season, buddy. Relax. The game is over. But they want it all the way to the final buzzer. They want it, which is awesome to see, fun to be a part of.

Speaker 3:
[48:32] Yeah. And they're humming along. I am happy for those fans, even though they're scumbags.

Speaker 2:
[48:37] We got to ask them a little bit more about Mini Dallas, no way.

Speaker 3:
[48:41] I'm just so antsy to talk about Edmonton. If you have something else on Mini Dallas.

Speaker 4:
[48:45] I got one for Mini. I got one for Mini. Just with Zuccarello, we saw it during the regular season, like how much he means to that team. Obviously, at his age and he's not the best player on their team, but what he brings to that team is noticeable as even a fan watching. I got to play with him, so I know what he brings. What can that team do with missing a guy like that who just seems to settle everybody down, makes the right plays when he needs to, he's lethal on the power play. What does Minnesota need to do to fill in for that role of him not being there?

Speaker 5:
[49:23] Well, that's the hard part. It's hard to fill in a guy that has that kind of patience and pocket prowess. It follows him around. I don't know if he's the type of player that you replicate with the stars or pardon me, with the wilds. He kind of drives the bus, as much as it goes through Kaprizov and Hughes, he's there and is an incredibly important part of what drives their offense.

Speaker 3:
[49:57] Yeah, he's just so skilled too, and he's just such a veteran.

Speaker 5:
[50:01] But he's smart, but he's also really smart defensively. That goes unnoticed so much. He does a lot of the little things in the D zone that gets quick turnovers, or he's just he's able to put a stick in the right spot to deny Alain. He's just he's a really smart hockey player.

Speaker 2:
[50:17] And then I'm sure McDavid would be a healthy scratch for Game 3.

Speaker 3:
[50:23] OK, Biss had to go there to start it off. I knew he would. He's sending out tweets. Whit, you need to address this pathetic performance. I'll start off with this. I'm not panicked at all. I'm not panicked at all. Did I get a little ahead of myself ranting and raving how Ducks fans shouldn't watch the series? Yeah, that one was probably a little bit ridiculous.

Speaker 4:
[50:45] You're passionate.

Speaker 3:
[50:46] Yeah, I was just so fired up leading into game one on Monday. I pretty much have been open and honest that I think McDavid's the best hockey player I've ever seen. I can admit that was the worst two games I've ever seen him play. Forget Before the Injury and that is scary as hell the way he looked after it. But even game one and Before the Injury and game two, Prongs, I've never seen him have this many passes deflected. It was very odd. Like all these plays where he's going under your triangle, through your legs. It seemed like he was trying to do too much and it leads into like, I think everyone's well aware how bad this guy wants this. Like he is obsessed with getting a Stanley Cup. They lose the gold medal. It makes this mean even more. I think he's just trying to do too much. I know that sounds crazy because he's usually able to do whatever he wants. But he just seems like the pressure is so high and he's wound so tight. It's almost like you need a teammate to kind of calm him down a little bit. And the injury part, buddy, first, Biz, you said it, he might have got cut and that was definitely kind of like, yeah, because there's skates around there when Echo kind of falls over. Then you see his ankle just goes in. He leaves the bench. It's like panic time. He comes back and everyone's tweeting and on our group chat, he's back, he's back. Well, let's just see for a second. He came back and you could tell he's kind of worried about it. He's not exactly himself. Then that play on the power play, that's one of the worst plays I've ever. If that was Bouchard who made that play, Twitter might have burned to the ground. I think it was because that's a play McDavid just spins out. It was Luke Gadzik, I saw the clip of Hawkeye Can't Say. That's four or five crossovers, boom, he's gone. You could tell he doesn't feel right. Now, it did look better in the third period, but I want to give the Ducks some credit. They put Gauthier up on the line with Leo Carlson and Troy Terry. Leo Carlson, Leo Carlson boys, if you remember that draft, it was Boudard and then it was Fantilly. Patrick Beek went off the board and he took Leo Carlson. I'm going to read you something very quick. Right now, this is regular season, through the first 201 games for Carlson, Dreisaitl's first 191 games, Dreisaitl had 50 goals. In 201 games, Carlson has 61. Dreisaitl had 87 assists, Carlson has 80. 123 points for Dreisaitl, 141 for Leo Carlson. I think we're looking at a legitimate superstar. He has looked so dominant in these games, he's so fast, so big, Gauthier comes alive. Edmonton, they're in a series. I'm confident they're gonna win, but they are in a series, Prongs.

Speaker 5:
[53:38] I don't think you're looking at one. I think he is one. Yeah, you're right. And if you haven't watched much of their season, I don't watch a ton of Anaheim, but what I have, he has always stood out. And I think that injury in the middle part of the season, the thigh injury he had, you know, you can see it. Him not being at the Olympics for Sweden really hurt them. You know, that was a key player in up the middle for them. And when you watch him, just the ability to control the play at all times, when he's out there, he has the puck on his stick. And he's kind of like McDavid where he's just wheeling around looking. I think he involved his teammates a little bit more, whereas McDavid wants to take it and kind of use his speed to kind of go through everybody. Carlson's giving it going and moving around and utilizing everybody on his team. So they play a little bit the same but differently. And you talk about the stats, it's going to be interesting to see what Patrick Beek does with this next contract with Leo Carlson. Because it's...

Speaker 2:
[54:49] Just don't handle it like the Zegrist one.

Speaker 5:
[54:52] Yeah, exactly. From what I've heard, the numbers are pretty big. You just brought up Dry Cytl, that's the number that I heard.

Speaker 3:
[54:58] Yeah, and it makes me probably right. And I gotta shout out Murls, Biz. Murls was saying he should go number one overall then. And there's part of me right now, I'm like, I'm not, this is not a Baddard conversation.

Speaker 2:
[55:10] I would take him over Baddard in a second.

Speaker 3:
[55:12] Right now, I know.

Speaker 2:
[55:14] Not to like, hey, Baddard is going to be awesome. He had a great first half of this year. Like he's got super stardom in his future too. I just like, I mean, you're looking at a guy who's like an Ozzy Kopitar or a Barkov, right? Like you look at a guy who's going to, what Kopitar put up in his prime hundred point seasons where he was fucking all over the ice doing everything. Just a big Mongoloid, like just leaning on you. You can't move him. He's built like a brick shit house. Like this is what he is. Like that's what you, that's what you win with. If you could make a number one center in a lab, you're creating Leo Carlson. And he people keep also saying that, and I kind of see it too, and I get why they say it. He moves like like like Forrest Berg, like Peter Forrest Berg, the way he's able to stick handle and control the puck for a guy his size. It almost takes places. It's unnatural. Like I'm like, how does he do that?

Speaker 3:
[56:05] Yeah, he's huge. He skates like the wind and it's just like I'm watching him more closely. Obviously, right now, I'm like, this guy's a problem. And then you got Gautier and Troy Terry's playing real well. Now, Edmonton really what's up?

Speaker 5:
[56:21] One thing I will add is that I think the other thing, the Ducks are not scared of Edmonton, right? I think I think they've seen, you know, they have just as much pace to their game and speed. They're young. They've got skill. So from that perspective and you could argue, if you look at the back end, they're probably a little more higher end. When you add in Lacombe, Zellweger, Carlson, the Carlson edition for the power play, you know, it's, you know, they match up really good with them from an offensive perspective. If Edmonton can tighten things up, you know, and not force things, I think at times when they don't get a lot of looks, they get frustrated because they want to be an offensive juggernaut. They want to score goals. It just, it's, sometimes it's about being patient, winning a 2-1 game.

Speaker 2:
[57:09] And you talk about number one D man, that Jackson Lacombe.

Speaker 5:
[57:15] He's a stud.

Speaker 2:
[57:15] He's an awesome. He's averaging 25 minutes this series. He played 26 and a half game one, three assists last game. I think that he's, I mean, do you classify him as a number one yet or, or just well on his way?

Speaker 5:
[57:32] He's, he, he, he's trend. I mean, he's still developing his, you know, weaponry, if you will. But he's in the, the, as you talked about, Haskin in and where he is on that list, you know, he's in that next tier, you know, looking to move up into that Norris conversation every single year. You know, he's that good.

Speaker 3:
[57:51] We haven't even mentioned his cold shoulder to Hyman in the first game. That was just the perfect.

Speaker 4:
[57:56] Beautiful.

Speaker 3:
[57:56] I mean, Hyman left the game, you know, luckily he's okay. Now Edmonton side, thank God Leon came back. Leon in game one, he looked like he hadn't missed a game. Like it was incredible the way he was able to come back. He dominated. He made that play on the winning goal where he got into the zone. He actually went by LeCombe there. That was a little bit of like, holy shit, I thought I had him. He's that good. But in game two, they're still never out of it. It's crack hockey. The Oilers play offs, it's legitimately the joker with his head out the window, screaming and yelling in Gotham. It's like you are on crack watching this team play. They tied it up. And then to give up that goal, what was so upsetting is Eccombe, who him and Bouchard have been great. They really have. Eccombe makes a nice play, retrieves the puck in his own zone. He gets the net. He has the easiest reverse of all time to Leon. Like the guy's kind of on him. I think it was polling and he doesn't reverse it. He gets the net on polling, he has room to skate and ice the puck down. It was like, oh my god, you could have reversed it to your sentiment. I don't know if Leon's talking enough. Who knows in terms of like communication. Then you ice the puck and they score. It's like, it's just simple mistakes. We've seen a lot of plays in the playoffs so far of dumb icings. We talked about it's a door off in game one for Boston, where you're like, God, like this team's been through so much and they're battle testing the playoffs. And then a mistake like that bites him in the ass at the end.

Speaker 2:
[59:21] We got bad icings making guys delete their social media.

Speaker 4:
[59:24] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[59:26] Oh yeah.

Speaker 4:
[59:28] That's another one.

Speaker 3:
[59:29] That's another one. But but I'll say Oilers fans, there's been some tweets about Ingram's numbers so far. They're not great. I still feel more comfortable in that look with him than I did. Skinner. Maybe that's just me trying to like hold on hope.

Speaker 2:
[59:42] What?

Speaker 4:
[59:43] Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 2:
[59:45] Are you on crack?

Speaker 4:
[59:46] Ingram looks like a beer league.

Speaker 3:
[59:48] I don't think they've lost these games because of him. And I remember each year Skinner while they did win games because of him, especially in the conference finals against Dallas, they would lose games because of him early on. That's where I'm at right now. Dude, if you told Biz, if before this series you said that McDavid wouldn't have a point, they wouldn't have a power play goal and Bouchard wouldn't have a point, I'd be like, they're tied 1-1.

Speaker 2:
[60:12] That's fair. So what do you guys make of that play? Like, Bouchard is unbelievable, like I said. Give him the Norris if you guys want, like the season he had numbers-wise, especially after a tough start and the resilience he's had. He cross-checks McTavish on that first goal. Like clear cross-check. It should have been sitting for two. So then McTavish gets up, he goes at him, he tries to lift the stick and he nicks him. And then Bouchard just stops playing and looks at the ref and is like, hey, what the fuck, call a penalty. And then boom, it's in the back of the net where it's like, buddy, you just fucking got away with a cross check and then you just completely stop playing. And then it's in your back of your net. Did you see that sequence, Prongs?

Speaker 5:
[60:54] I didn't see that one, no. But you described it perfectly.

Speaker 4:
[60:57] Yeah, that just goes, but Biz, that goes to like maybe they thought going into this series, like they're just going to walk through them and then a little bit of adversity and shit's going to go to their heads and they lose their minds because Boucher is a calm player, like when shit goes down. So maybe just Anaheim has them in a blender a little bit.

Speaker 2:
[61:16] I think that is the case. You mentioned Leon, if it wasn't for Leon, I think that line in general, like there's no wonder he loves playing with Kapod Kholzin. That Kapanen, he's got to be on the peptides for sure, the way he's going.

Speaker 4:
[61:29] Yeah, he's been good.

Speaker 3:
[61:30] Well, he's one of those guys that miss some time.

Speaker 2:
[61:33] Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 3:
[61:34] Maybe it helps, right? Prong's like, you miss time and then you come back healthy, you're kind of like more rested, some better legs maybe. Sorry for getting up there, had to have a quick hose, but I talked about Philly's fourth line. I have never heard of Tim Washi, Ian Moore or Jeffrey Vial. They're dominating right now.

Speaker 2:
[61:55] Washi was playing second line center for them for a little bit during the season when they had a few injuries. He's a solid player.

Speaker 5:
[62:02] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[62:02] And G say Vial came from Boston, so I mean, all those are in what I'm confident they're going to win this series, Prongs. Do you?

Speaker 5:
[62:11] By the way, Ian Moore is a defenseman.

Speaker 2:
[62:14] Is he?

Speaker 4:
[62:15] Yeah, number three.

Speaker 5:
[62:17] Yeah. He's running around on the floor. He plays both.

Speaker 4:
[62:21] Yeah, anyone can do that. We all know as D, you know you can just shut your brain off. If you want to be a forward, just shut your brain off and go play forward.

Speaker 3:
[62:29] Well, you know what? Goudis misses the game, kind of surprised. I don't know if that's an injury. I think it's an injury, but that was what I thought would be a bigger loss than it was. Anaheim looks really good. Back to the pond. Play should be Electric Prongs. We appreciate you coming on, dude. I don't know if you have any other thoughts.

Speaker 4:
[62:47] He's got skin in the game. He's got skin in the game on every team. He's an alumni of every team in the playoffs. Utah.

Speaker 5:
[62:57] Carolina. Technically, Hartford.

Speaker 4:
[62:59] Yeah. Anaheim, Edmonton, Philly. He's got everyone.

Speaker 2:
[63:04] That is true. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[63:06] He's going to win.

Speaker 5:
[63:07] He's going to win all four corners of the globe. We got him.

Speaker 2:
[63:11] But the real reason we got you on is I knew this was coming. What would you do with the Leafs rebuild retool?

Speaker 5:
[63:20] That's a great question, Biz. You know, we... What are we doing?

Speaker 2:
[63:26] What are we doing? I slept in for my Zoom meeting with Peli.

Speaker 5:
[63:31] You missed it?

Speaker 4:
[63:32] No.

Speaker 2:
[63:33] Yeah, I clemented myself. I took a gummy the night before and I slept in.

Speaker 4:
[63:37] You Luke Kwon.

Speaker 2:
[63:38] I Luke Kwon hard on that one. But I did mention that I don't think the six assistant GMs is enough. That's what they had last year. We're going to move to nine. And you were one of the guys I have at my roundtable. So I just want to let you know that I'm a ride or die. Thank you. But you have. So have you been asked by any team? And or are you interested in taking that type of role? Because obviously you've been doing a lot of media and you're great at it. And it's good hearing the insight from a fucking hall of famer. But are you more interested in getting into the battle again?

Speaker 5:
[64:16] I've talked to a couple of teams. Just about different positions, coaching, managing, whatever. Again, as I've said, I'm always willing to have a conversation and hear what the opportunity looks like, both on my side and their side, what they're interested in. And nothing's gone further than that.

Speaker 2:
[64:43] Are you able to say one team?

Speaker 5:
[64:45] I'm doing what I'm doing.

Speaker 3:
[64:48] Just rooting on every team in the playoffs.

Speaker 5:
[64:50] Yeah, I've got four teams in the mix right now, Biz.

Speaker 4:
[64:54] Just playing with host money.

Speaker 5:
[64:56] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[64:58] How long does it take you to prepare for a meeting like that? And obviously, it seems like you're talking to each team maybe about different potential roles. So what's the prep like going into a meeting like that?

Speaker 4:
[65:11] Just wake up. He's Chris Pronger, right?

Speaker 5:
[65:14] No. I think you have to look at A, what the role is, and then B, you've got to dissect hockey ops. You've got to dissect the team. You've got to look at prospects. You've got to look at everything to see where they are. Every team goes through cycles, and that's where you have to figure out where they are, what they need, where they are, and how to present what you would do. And it's going to vary. Everybody's going to be different. As you know, I tend to just say what's on my mind, and I have my own views and opinions, and sometimes they fit some people, and other times they don't. But I'm not going to change that part of it. If you're asking about your leaves, I think it really just depends on what Matthews wants to do. You know, he's the centerpiece of their organization. If he wants to come back, then what does the number look like? You know, it's not a blank check anymore to keep them. It's, you know, we want to fit you in under our structure and salary, salary, pay, our payroll. Well, we want to justify paying you to then fill in around you. And as we've seen with other teams and, you know, it's Toronto, he's going to make a lot of endorsements and all the rest of that. He wants to be a part of it. And so he did, he doesn't want to be a part of a rebuild, which I don't blame him. You know, that will take a little bit of time to go through the whole ordeal of draft picks, which they don't have currently. They're going to have to get. All right, it would be a big process.

Speaker 2:
[67:00] All right, last, last quick one. If you could pick your dream situation with an organization right now, who would it be and what would the role be?

Speaker 5:
[67:10] I really thought about that. All right. That's an answer.

Speaker 2:
[67:15] That's an answer.

Speaker 5:
[67:16] Yeah, exactly. If I could play again, that'd be great.

Speaker 3:
[67:18] I'd love to go back out and spear someone. That's his dream.

Speaker 5:
[67:22] Actually, your next guest.

Speaker 2:
[67:24] They should get you in Buffalo to chug a beer. They should get you in Buffalo to chug a beer and hit the drum. You can do better than Josh Allen.

Speaker 3:
[67:30] Yeah. Prongs mentions our next guest. Prongs, thank you so much. We're going to get to him right now. We'll talk to you soon. We'll have a great one. Quickly before I get to these two quick ads, I do have to mention that McDavid has two points and his minus nine in his last six playoff games. Four of those were against the guy we're about to bring on. But before we get to Matthew Tkachuk, have you guys ever had a limp stick? Biz, you ever had a limp stick? And I'm not talking about on the ice either, busy boy. Rouge Yet Ready is a custom compounded three-in-one ED treatment designed to get your brain and body back in action, Biz. Inky's up. It dissolves under your tongue.

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Speaker 4:
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Speaker 3:
[71:08] Well, he had already said that I did not, I think it was with Overdrive, he's like, I did not interview for the GM position, but he did not deny interviewing for maybe another position.

Speaker 4:
[71:18] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[71:19] I honestly thought he'd say, I don't want anything to do with that organization because Biz has an alumni jacket, never played for the team.

Speaker 2:
[71:26] But I'll just leave it this, there is a strong possibility that that jacket will not return.

Speaker 6:
[71:33] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[71:34] Yeah, it makes sense that that jacket should be, you should just maybe light that thing on fire at your Jackson Hole home and just move on, and that the fans probably want you to move on and just find another team. You've had 15 different teams through the course of your career as a podcaster, maybe look to get a jacket from somebody else. I'm sure Ryan Smith would give you one.

Speaker 2:
[71:54] Maybe I get the address of our next guest, and I send it to him.

Speaker 3:
[71:59] Bring him in. Matthew Tkachuk, everyone. He's finally taken a couple months off in the playoffs. Congrats, you're a new dad.

Speaker 4:
[72:08] Added another trophy.

Speaker 3:
[72:10] Hey, more than anything, Matt, congrats to your brother and the Ottawa Senators because Kyle Ivan, he's in Asia. If you don't know who Kyle Ivan is, everyone, that's the lead singer of that band that has mushed the senators two years in a row. They sent him to Wuhan. I think he's in Wuhan right now. He's gone. Matthew, what's up?

Speaker 6:
[72:31] What's up, boys? How are you guys doing? Yeah, I think that's good news for everybody in Ottawa right now. It was, I don't know, I actually went to that game on, what was it, Monday. They played well, but it's, fuck Carolina played hard. It's a grind of a series right now. So hopefully I can get one back in Ottawa.

Speaker 2:
[72:54] Is there any truth to the rumor that Big C's is doing a mixtape right now, preparing for a song for you guys for next year's run?

Speaker 6:
[73:02] Stop. I don't know. I mean, I don't think anything will screw it up unless we do what we did this year. But we don't let that shit bother us there. But for Ottawa, I mean, they don't need any more of that attention stuff. Just let the boys play.

Speaker 2:
[73:18] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[73:18] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[73:19] No, exactly. So it must have been weird seeing that goal disallowed, and then half the lower bowl, they thought the game was over and they left, and then they weren't allowed to come back in the building. So you were there to witness all that.

Speaker 4:
[73:34] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[73:35] Well, first of all, it's fucking weird that I was even there. I told my brother, I had a handshake agreement with him that, if I was ever not in playoffs and he was, which to me, I was like, there is no chance it was ever going to happen. So I guess that was some bad karma for me. So I held up my end of the bargain. I'm like, I will go. I'm not going to Ottawa, but I will go there. First of all, those fans there were super nice. Like they're actually like really, really, really good people. And you don't really realize when you're watching it from not being a player, how loud that fucking building gets. Like probably that building and Edmonton Game 6 two years ago, and then Colorado Playoff Series, like my second or third year, the loudest buildings other than Florida, like our Calgary, like being in a way building for a playoff game. So really, really cool. Gold Disallow was weird. We got right up, we had some people waiting for us to bring us down to see Brady. So we got out of the elevator downstairs or waiting in that long hallway in Carolina. And I look at the ice and I see some of the players on Carolina haven't left the bench yet. So I go and I look and they're showing stuff from the jumbo try and I got no idea what's going on. All of a sudden they come out, disallowed and go and Ottawa's like management and like their eye in the sky and everybody walked by us already. So they came down from the press box to go into the locker room. So they're all walking by us. Everyone's like in a, you know, not a great mood. They announced it and we all raced to the elevator, go back up to like our club area and yeah, I got to watch the rest of it. I mean, Ottawa, they played good. Carolina's just stingy. Like they play really, really solid. I think that it'll help Ottawa going back home. Cause I do think Carolina is a little bit of a different team on road versus home with the starts and like the energy they come out of the game at home. Like you've got to just hold on. It seems like at the start, but going back home, it'll be good. I think everybody knows, it doesn't matter what you do in playoffs until you lose a game at home and then you're screwed. So I mean, this thing can still go the distance here.

Speaker 4:
[75:43] Matthew, Timmy Stutzel, he's been all over it, right? Like he's getting opportunities. He's got great looks at it, just hasn't found it yet. Like what do you think will take for him to pop off? Cause it looks like he's on the verge of just popping off and being an absolute menace out there.

Speaker 6:
[76:00] Yeah, he's dancing. He was definitely dancing in that game too. Think with Carolina, they're not going to give you anything easy. So you have to be willing to beat a guy man on man and put that head down and take it right to the fucking net. You just, you got to do it. It's a hard system to play, but it is hard to play against. So I mean, I look for all that. Even like, I was telling Brady too, when you're playing a team like that, that really leaves, if the D's man on man, they're going out to the point.

Speaker 3:
[76:28] They'll go anywhere.

Speaker 6:
[76:29] They'll go anywhere with you. They'll chase you up and down the ice. I was talking to my dad about it during the game. I'm like, watch, like Chatfield had the guy that was stretched out in like a neutral zone breakout. And his guy came all the way back below the goal line. And normally when you come back in most systems, like the forwards take the low three, he followed the guy all the way back. So it really comes down to one-on-one battles against these guys. I was telling Brady, like, if you're at the net, scream for that puck, trust yourself in a one-on-one match in front of the net against whoever, you're stronger than the majority of their players. And just trust it, but they gotta start throwing stuff to the net. You saw, I don't know, we scored the second goal, just throw it there and never know what could happen.

Speaker 3:
[77:13] It was Cousins, I believe. And then that's when I was thinking, like, all right, Anderson sucked one in finally. Like, they were, you know, it's two-nothing Carolina. You're like, uh-oh, they get back into it, they tie it up on a weak goal, but Anderson's been good. What's surprising to me is that Ohlmark's been incredible. I thought if Ohlmark played like this, they had them. Now, the series is far from over. I do want to mention the Hurricanes are now 14-0 in their first two home games of any playoff run. So it's like the, one of the responses was the opposite of the conference finals. But in the first round, their first two home games, they don't lose. So it's like Ottawa's got to be prepared for, you know, going down there and having a tough time getting a win. But I think they go home based on how they're playing. I think they're able to get it to 2-1.

Speaker 6:
[77:57] Yeah. I mean, I talked to, I just talked to my brother after the game quickly. I go, the thing that you guys got to take away from this game is, first of all, there's some guys on the team that look a little bit tired, look a little bit worn down with some of the physicality, but that's every team. I mean, some of the Ottawa guys look like that too. But at least they know you're for real. You know, like they know you guys should have won that game the way you guys played in the second half and but Carolina did dominate in that first half of that game. If it wasn't for Old Market, it would have been probably five or six, one after two. But he's been playing amazing. That save he made to keep him in the game. I think it was two nothing. Then next thing you know, a few minutes later, my dad said, remember that save. Two minutes later, five minutes later, it's two two. So playoffs are nuts. But as long as you have a hot goalie, like that's the best thing for their team right now, is how well he's playing and just got to keep it going.

Speaker 4:
[78:49] Matthew, game one, obviously, you said, you told us you were there. Brady drops the mitts first shift.

Speaker 6:
[78:55] Game two. I was there game two. I missed that first shift.

Speaker 4:
[78:57] Okay. So game one, did he give you a text or anything before that? Like you guys set it up during the nationals?

Speaker 2:
[79:02] Yeah, he bet it on Paulie Mark.

Speaker 6:
[79:05] No, I had no idea. I was on a boat down to Miami with my team for end of the year bash.

Speaker 4:
[79:11] And you didn't even see the game.

Speaker 6:
[79:13] Yeah, I didn't even watch. So I'm getting like all these texts, like you see what Brady did, like it was awesome. Like the fight was sick. And I'm just like putting myself in not Brady shoes, but like any other player in the league shoes, like the way playoffs are that first day. It doesn't matter if you're playing in, like if you're playing in the playoffs or not, like you're all kind of glued in to what's going on, what type of playoffs this is going to be. And I really think that fight set the tone. I mean, the East is an absolute insane display of, I don't even know if it's hockey right now. It's like WWE with a little bit of hockey being played on the side. I guess it's crazy. It's a lot more physical and...

Speaker 2:
[79:55] You guys fucking started that trend.

Speaker 4:
[79:57] Yeah, Copycat League.

Speaker 6:
[79:59] Yeah. Well, I mean, people say that. I don't remember our games being quite like that. I just think that...

Speaker 2:
[80:08] Are you out of your fucking mind?

Speaker 3:
[80:10] Guys, this guy is a complete sicko.

Speaker 2:
[80:12] You're a diabetic.

Speaker 6:
[80:15] I'm going to have to go watch the game tape.

Speaker 4:
[80:16] Benny's going to win the Lady Bing next year.

Speaker 2:
[80:19] You're the reason that Tampa Bay got Scotty Sabarin in their lineup. You basically made that GM move.

Speaker 6:
[80:28] Even look at like, I mean, Montreal, I've only watched a little bit of that series because I've been more glued to Buffalo and Boston because what I'm seeing from Buffalo is like the greatest thing in sports right now. But I've barely been watching Tampa and Montreal, but you got to give both those teams credit. They're playing hard and Montreal is staying right there, and they almost are instigating some of it. Josh Anderson, I was saying it on our pod the other day, he might be Con Smythe right now, best playoff player right now. He's dominating, he's killing guys. I would not want to play against him right now. I'd have my head on a swivel out there against him, he's a-

Speaker 4:
[81:12] He's vintage Tom Wilson.

Speaker 6:
[81:14] Yeah, he's like kinda like playing like Benny and Wilson, like these guys that can go through you, could put it in, like you just gotta watch. And he's like hitting the hurt too, which is those guys are scary to play against. Like they're not just hitting to add another hit on the statue, like they're trying to do some damage. So yeah, playoffs are crazy. And all these series, especially in the East, are pretty fun to watch. I mean, it sucks so much, like from my perspective too, because we know what these games feel like. And here we are watching these teams, like going absolutely insane and knowing they have a chance to win. And it just makes you wish that you were in it so bad. It doesn't matter what we've done the last few years. It's what have you done for me lately, league?

Speaker 3:
[81:55] I will go back. I want to go back quickly, Biz, to the no goal, the Janikowski no goal. All right, so I have a couple friends that don't really watch hockey till the playoffs. And talk about confusion for people. They're like, all right, hold on. So it's bullshit. The goal was called back because it's offsides, but then you can get a penalty in a play that basically didn't exist considering the play before that was offsides. I get it too. I'm like, as a former player and a guy who covers the NHL, like that just makes no sense to me. I don't.

Speaker 2:
[82:33] Well, they do it to protect the fact that like, okay, like let's say two minutes goes by. Well, one minute into it, the guy suckers a guy in the jaw. What are you knocking? He doesn't get the penalty for sucker him in the jaw because that time didn't exist. They should then, if to clean that up, make it so like anything like a rough or something physical would be a penalized where maybe like a hook or a trip wouldn't.

Speaker 6:
[82:58] Maybe just like a major penalty call it a penalty. Anything else that never happened because that is crazy. How you can call a penalty shot after like a little stick lift that I don't even know if it should have been a penalty shot and then everybody's jacked up on everybody's pissed off in the stands that it's no goal. But then they get a penalty shot. So then it's jacked up again. Half the people are gone. It was bizarre. That was weird.

Speaker 2:
[83:20] It was a bizarre scene. I just hate the rule where they're like he had possession, but they're saying he didn't have control.

Speaker 3:
[83:26] That's the problem.

Speaker 2:
[83:27] It's so stupid.

Speaker 4:
[83:28] He made a play.

Speaker 3:
[83:30] And the thing is now, Matthew, you know it better than anyone. All right, you know how many good players have possession of the puck without the puck on their stick? I think of Kucherov, how he's carrying it, but his stick isn't always on the puck. It doesn't... If you have possession, you have control. Like in the NHL, you got possession, you got control. You can't tell me, oh, he had possession, he didn't have control. That is where I think fans are like, what...

Speaker 2:
[83:54] It was dumb. Rewrite the rule.

Speaker 6:
[83:56] Like even, well, you can put it in Kucherov's feet, he still got possession. But even if you stab at a puck or poke check a puck, like that's possession, you're intentionally doing that. It hits your stick. You're not just... You're not blocking a shot. You know? I mean, but even if you block a shot, it hits your stick. You don't have possession, you still get an assist if it goes to somebody for a goal. So it is weird. I feel like if it just touches your stick, it should pick... Ah, I don't know. That's a tricky one because... Yeah, I mean, they got to figure that out because that can't happen again. What happened there can't happen again. They got to figure out the whistle after and everything. It's just... It's confusing and I don't really understand it.

Speaker 2:
[84:40] I want to go back to... You talked about it earlier about how crazy Carolina that building is and the fans and like surviving the first 10 minutes. When me and Yans played with Arizona, it felt like every time we went to San Jose during the Joe Thornton Marlowe, and like the first 10 minutes, it was like, oh, fuck, boys, just hang on.

Speaker 4:
[85:00] Too many men.

Speaker 2:
[85:01] Oh, I'm about to bust. But you were also talking about it on your podcast, how fans and like they can dictate momentum and how you played in the series against Colorado, where you say early in your career, where you felt that for really the first time early. Just kind of maybe describe and go through like the emotions and what can be done on the road with fans getting crazy and how can it affect you as a road team?

Speaker 6:
[85:29] Well, I give credit to our fans here in Florida as well because we could have, we could have Barkie winding up the puck in the D-zone and they're getting to their feet. They know something potentially is going to happen. So they're allowed like same thing with Carolina. And I go back to Colorado earlier in my career. Any time there was change of possession and they were transitioning like they were coming in waves like just wave after line after line and they were going so insane like you couldn't even think you couldn't hear the coach calling the name for the next line. You couldn't like hear a guy coming off. You couldn't make a little play because you couldn't hear your guy. They're calling for so fan noise and energy whether they know it or not plays an enormous part in playoff hockey. Absolutely huge for even and I know this sounds a little bit crazy but like even in a scrum, it always works in momentum of the home team. So you look at that like scrum yesterday in the Pittsburgh Philly game. I'm sure you guys have like talked about all right, that was nuts. But like that only works towards the home team's momentum. That's the only thing it does. Like it really does nothing nothing to in a way to in a sense. So like a way team could be now boys, it's us against the world but you got to have dogs. They have that mindset. So it's tough. I mean, you got to be careful to get sucked in the certain things. Then again, that's going against like what I was talking about with Brady against all because I think for both teams there, like you're just showing both your teams like let's fucking go. This is a war like boys strap up. This is going to be the toughest atmosphere we're ever going to play in. Like we're ready to fight our way out of it. So I look at it both ways like you know, can work in that situation. But then in that last night, I mean Pittsburgh or sorry Philly dominated the rest of the night and because their fans just saw something that they needed to rally behind. They got behind it so much. They were so loud, so passionate. Then they take over the game. So they have a huge part. They definitely play an enormous part. I mean I think about when we played in playoffs, man, what was it? Two years ago or last year, when we were playing against the Rangers, I felt like we were a better team than the Rangers. And when we were playing in New York, like those were some hard, hard games. Like they were loud and it was hard to think out there. So I remember that was definitely one atmosphere that was really good and I can remember here being in Florida.

Speaker 3:
[87:59] That's just a nice reminder to Rangers fans listening how they were conference finals two years ago and they have a stiff playoff since.

Speaker 6:
[88:06] But not what I meant, but hey, talk about, I know.

Speaker 3:
[88:10] Talk about, we're talking about dogs and you know, as well as anyone, Brandon Hagel, buddy, you go back to February, 2025 in Montreal, the fight you guys had, what he's kind of done since being in Tampa. I mean, 90 point guy, he fights and what he did against Slavkovsky and the reaction from the crowd, the Gordie Howe hat trick, like that kid's a player, huh?

Speaker 6:
[88:34] Yeah, him and Slavkovsky are probably the two best players along with Anderson in that series, right? And when you look at like production and just like being hard to play against and physical, like, you know, the playoff hockey, we're being both being able to produce and being physical. So I love seeing like fights like that when two guys that like don't care, somebody said it during the broadcast last night. Maybe Biz, were you, were you in? Yeah, you were on it last night. Maybe it was you.

Speaker 2:
[89:02] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[89:03] Where it's like, at the end of the day, like these scrums are bullshit. Like, why don't you just fight like enough with this stuff?

Speaker 2:
[89:09] I said, yeah, I said like after the first, yeah, I got everybody going. But like, I would be happy if I never saw one the rest of the game, like, let's play good, high flying pace action. And I was happy when Hagel and Slath went because it's like that goal.

Speaker 6:
[89:23] Yeah, that's my point right there. It's like at the end of the day, like these two guys, I mean, Hagel fights more than Slavkowski, but like Slavkowski is a big guy, like can, you know, handle. I mean, he's a huge man, like that's strong. And like, obviously, he's going to have to do that once in a while. So I thought it was awesome that that fight. I actually wasn't even watching the game at the time because I was watching the boys in Buffalo and the rollerblade guys. But it's awesome. I think playoff hockey is the best. Think about a couple of years ago, Stamcoast and Matthews fighting, they both had like 60 goals or 50 goals. Like, it's the best. I remember one of the highlights of my playoff experience so far here in Florida is just the atmosphere when I fought Pasternak that game. Like that was one of like the coolest moments, like from just from my end being at home and having the home crowd rally behind that and playing against Boston. So those stuff, those stuff add up in series. I thought it was great from both of them to really answer your question. And two great players that are definitely dragging their teams in the fight. And the series is pretty legit right now. So maybe I'll have to start tuning a little bit more.

Speaker 4:
[90:34] And Hagel, Hagel, like it's just a, it's a good hockey IQ thing to fight him because Slav has the hat trick in the first game, wins it for them in overtime. And then after he, I mean, he kind of knocked them out and Slav was not very good after that fight.

Speaker 2:
[90:48] He fucking turned it over to him on that tying goal.

Speaker 4:
[90:51] Yeah, so it was a very heads up play by Hagel. And Hagel too knows I'm not like this crazy tough guy. I'm one of our best players. He can't not say yes to me in this fight. I thought it was a really smart play by Hagel.

Speaker 6:
[91:05] I mean, at the end of the day, like those two guys and those two teams, like I don't think, like I said, people give Montreal the credit for, maybe because they're a little bit younger and maybe just not as much playoff experience, but there's some dogs over there. Like they've given us a little bit of a hard time the last couple of years. Like they're legit. Don't sleep on those guys for just for being skilled guys. Like they got, I mean, look at Anderson, him leading the way. They've got some boys that can play hard. Their defense is really, really underrated, I think. So yeah, it's awesome. It's great for hockey. That shit's the best.

Speaker 2:
[91:42] Since you brought it up, the Blade Gang, how many times did you watch that original video?

Speaker 4:
[91:47] He's in it. He's in it.

Speaker 2:
[91:49] I've watched it.

Speaker 4:
[91:49] He's in the Blade Gang.

Speaker 6:
[91:51] I've watched it 1,000 times to the point where I was like daydreaming about getting roller blades and hopefully winning another Stanley Cup and taking the cup with the blades from my house down to Elbow Room. Like that's how sick my brain is. But the best video I saw was the guys rollerblading last game from the house. Which isn't, there's not many houses close to downtown. I was trying to think about where could they be that's close enough.

Speaker 3:
[92:20] And then somebody said imagine them just rollerblading on the highway. Somebody said imagine them rollerblading home in the dark after the loss, dude.

Speaker 6:
[92:31] I didn't even think about it. But I will say this playoff series is starting to become like a battle of the fans. I think more than what's going on on ice. The Bruins fans got to recognize that what's going on in Buffalo is like all time right now. Like we're talking an all time legendary fan base and the stuff they've been pulling. So I got to see what the Bruins fans have in store. I'll be glued to Twitter tonight.

Speaker 2:
[92:54] What would if you if you had creative control on how to rebuttal that, what would you do? I mean, they put fucking a Cam Neely jersey on a UFC dummy, and they've been abusing this thing for four days now.

Speaker 6:
[93:07] Yeah, I think that this is me being like a new blade gang or whatever you're calling them. I'm a super fan. But I think what I think what they got to do in Boston is either all show up, like have hundreds of people show up on rollerblades. Skateboards? Wow.

Speaker 4:
[93:25] I think you skateboard.

Speaker 6:
[93:27] Or you do one of those dummies that they're doing with the kneeliers. You put that thing on rollerblades and just beat the shit out of it and send the message like, we're doing this here.

Speaker 2:
[93:36] Blow it up with dynamite?

Speaker 6:
[93:37] Yeah, maybe. But they got they got to. It's a battle between the fan base right now. And I'm all for it. I think it's hilarious.

Speaker 2:
[93:46] Yeah. What are Bruins fans going to do to step it up here?

Speaker 6:
[93:50] I think that's what I'm waiting to see.

Speaker 2:
[93:52] I think they should get Cam Neely out there, fucking dummy, and a couple of Sabres dummies.

Speaker 4:
[93:57] He's tying his rollerblades right now.

Speaker 6:
[94:00] I was just about to say, they should hire a, just like put one of their buddies in a Sabres jersey on rollerblades.

Speaker 3:
[94:08] But when RA does enough drugs, he's basically on rollerblades, so they might as well. They could just do that.

Speaker 2:
[94:15] I was going to say if RA had a spine, he would kidnap the blade gang, and they'd fucking.

Speaker 4:
[94:20] Celtic Pride style.

Speaker 2:
[94:22] Celtic Pride style. Bring them to outside of what is it? The garden and just beat the fucking wheels off them.

Speaker 4:
[94:28] Cam Neely should Cam Neely should wait outside of the arena and be like, who wants a fucking piece?

Speaker 7:
[94:34] I'll tell you what we're not going to do. And we're not going to have our quarterback go up there and chug a half full beer and then spike it.

Speaker 4:
[94:41] Oh, you.

Speaker 7:
[94:42] It's completely ruined the momentum of the game. What Josh Allen?

Speaker 3:
[94:46] Biz was all over this. Biz, I was surprised you were giving it to Josh Allen online.

Speaker 2:
[94:51] Buddy, he went to a homecoming game to get his jersey retired at his old university. And they got worked, worked by a team that had one win. And then all of a sudden, no Mahomes, no Kansas City Chiefs. It's his chance to win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 4:
[95:09] Don't put this smut on Josh, dude.

Speaker 2:
[95:11] Buddy, he fucking, you set the tone by, Yance, what happened when you banged the drum with Biz Idiot on there? What happened?

Speaker 4:
[95:19] Turned the series around.

Speaker 2:
[95:20] No shit. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 6:
[95:22] Yance, how about, what was the one year that when we had guys banging the drum here and we were like 0 for 7 when like people affiliated with the Dolphins.

Speaker 4:
[95:32] The Dolphins, yeah.

Speaker 6:
[95:33] But anybody else, we were undefeated.

Speaker 4:
[95:35] That's when I had to come in there too. And then the next game, I was like, give me the drumstick.

Speaker 6:
[95:40] Yeah. And then I think somebody came in for, I don't know who we had for game 5.

Speaker 2:
[95:44] I think it was the long-

Speaker 4:
[95:46] Bobby Liu. Bobby Liu.

Speaker 6:
[95:47] Bobby Liu came in for 7 and it was just the best thing ever. And then we like we normally they kind of we kind of know in the morning like who's coming if it's somebody big. And it was before game 6 last year and somebody saw Liu and like gave like the old like, are you doing it again? Like kind of joking around. I don't know if this is true or not. I don't like necessarily quote me, but he just gave like the like the like the little head nod wink or whatever. And I'm the closer. That's when we knew we were going to win.

Speaker 4:
[96:18] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[96:18] Mariano.

Speaker 4:
[96:19] He's warming up in the back.

Speaker 2:
[96:21] I should have kidnapped Liu.

Speaker 3:
[96:23] Breaking break. Not I shouldn't say breaking news, but on Twitter right now, and I can ask you about this, Matthew, is Alex Lyon in the Starters net in the garden.

Speaker 4:
[96:33] Leo the lion.

Speaker 3:
[96:34] So Lindy Ruff had made a couple of comments where it was, you know, it was open to interpretation that he could be starting. This guy carried you into the playoffs one year. It seems like he does that and doesn't play in the playoffs. I know when Bob came and everything switched a few years ago, but what do you know about him and how good of a guy is he to take over the net for Buffalo?

Speaker 6:
[96:56] He is an absolute gamer, 100% gamer, unreal guy. The only thing that I don't necessarily love about some teams in playoff hockey though, is you kind of have like a 1A, 1B. Like, I don't know if that works in playoffs. Like, you got to have a dog that kind of runs. So hopefully, like, Ryan can be that guy that like just runs and takes it over from now. But, like, he is, we are not two time, I know you guys might think this is crazy, but we do not win the last two Stanley Cups. We do not go to the finals of the year before without him. He was kind of the guy that, like, got it going and then Bob came back in that first round against Boston. But his numbers, like, you guys will have to look this up after I'm done, but his numbers in the last 8 or 10 games to get us into playoffs were so fucking unreal that it, like, earned him this contract with Detroit and then Buffalo. Like, he was so good in, like, the smallest sample size, but it was everything about him, too. It was his, like, we're playing Lion King. He's having us play Lion King music for our win song after, like, little shit that he was just rallying. We were rallying behind him. He's, like, chirping players on the other team in front of him. Like, a pretty animated goalie, but I'm sure, I don't know if you guys remember, like, him walking into the rink for that games one and two against the Bruins that year and he's staring at the camera all the way, you know, like, yeah, my locker, like, he's ironing it down. He's our fucking starting goalie that night. So nothing rattles him. I think he's actually like the lights are not too bright for him at all. Like, he loves it.

Speaker 4:
[98:31] He lives for these types of games and his numbers are 6-1-1 with a 9-4-4 GAA.

Speaker 2:
[98:39] Who called him the X factor in the preseason previews?

Speaker 4:
[98:45] Did you?

Speaker 2:
[98:46] Yep.

Speaker 4:
[98:46] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[98:47] I fucking did. Gans laughed at me. He's like, yeah, dude, nothing.

Speaker 3:
[98:50] I could tell the way you worded that one. But you know what? In that series, Boston, what a response. Swamen is so dialed in right now. What I'm getting a kick out of is Lindy Ruff, who brought up Marco Sturm's comments again after losing. He goes, yeah, well, you heard Sturm say they're bigger and more physical. So yeah, for sure, I'm a little worried. Like he, they just lost the game. He's still talking about it. But I think Boston did, man. They kind of took control physically in that game too. I can't wait to hear R.A.'s thoughts, but it was like, wow, Buffalo with the magical comeback and Boston, they were ready to go game too. And they know right now, Swamen is as dialed as he's ever been. Swamen calling the time open was amazing.

Speaker 2:
[99:32] He said, hey, motherfucker. Motherfucker. We've been through this. Grab a sniffer.

Speaker 6:
[99:38] Yeah. And I don't necessarily think like play against Buffalo this year. Like there's some big boys on that team. Like they're not they're not necessarily like the most physical team, but either as Boston, like they're not like killers back there. Like that's a big D as well. But like Buffalo, they're they're they're big. Do you have long sticks? It's hard to get to the net on them. I remember a couple of power plays against them this year. I'm like, holy shit. I can't even get the puck down. Logan, these guys, everything's deflected. It's cleared. That's Samuelson's hell of a player.

Speaker 4:
[100:10] Yeah. He's really, really good.

Speaker 6:
[100:12] But I guess Boston's got some guys like there's a door of that'll hit you. I mean, their fourth line will run around a little bit. McVoy will catch you. But it's not I don't know if you ever really want to give bulletin board material like like that at the beginning of a series. I think just be killers and be silent killers.

Speaker 2:
[100:30] If it went to seven and you have the opportunity for Josh Allen to bang the drum, Matthew, are you letting them bang the drum?

Speaker 6:
[100:38] Yeah, for sure. Like those guys, they get the crowd going like if more than anybody. And it's all about momentum. Like I said earlier, like you get the guy and you get the biggest dog in the city to get that place shaken. I don't believe in like puppy. I don't believe in what's like superstition like that. He's on like, yeah, yeah, you lose.

Speaker 3:
[100:57] The problem is there's no one in Buffalo who's ever won a thing to come back and bang the friggin drum.

Speaker 4:
[101:02] Yeah, unless the guy who invented the buffalo wing comes out like everyone else is just taking it out.

Speaker 3:
[101:08] Yeah, they should have a real buffalo.

Speaker 2:
[101:10] No, they should get that rapper who's from there. They have a really good driver. No, no, no. They got a rapper who's pretty good from there. Like he's like, don't fucking look at me like that, Yance. You should know this.

Speaker 4:
[101:23] There's no rapper from Buffalo.

Speaker 2:
[101:25] Benny the Butcher. He's fucking nasty. Watch your mouth.

Speaker 4:
[101:29] He's more of a producer, no?

Speaker 6:
[101:31] I think you get, what about like a former former saber? Like could have like Rob Ray.

Speaker 2:
[101:36] Get a Buffalo Bandit.

Speaker 3:
[101:38] Brad May would be good. Brad May would be good.

Speaker 2:
[101:40] What about Taveras, the old school Buffalo Bandit? They've won a bunch of championships.

Speaker 3:
[101:45] All right, Matthew, let me ask you this. Buffalo's power play going back to the regular season over their last 31. I'm sure you've been a part of teams that you just go through these slumps. Like how hard is it to not kind of get snappy at each other on the bench? And like, you know, every if they get one tonight and they don't score on that one, it's like it just keeps growing and growing. Like you ever remember a time where it's been a tough slump and you're trying to just figure it out as a group?

Speaker 6:
[102:14] Yeah, for sure. There's always there's always stuff throughout the year where that happens or if like, you know, sometimes you feel like you take a penalty, it's going to go in your net. Like you always go through golf, go through those. But I mean, if I'm if I'm in their situation, I'd stack the first unit, I'd play them for two minutes the whole time, because when you're when you have like these split units and your both units are struggling, all it takes is one clear and you're like, oh, fuck, I got to get off. That's another way to stack one unit, put your best players on one and let them ride the whole time. That's how you're going to get out of it. And that's how the top players, when you get out of it and you start scoring on the power play, you get confidence in 5 on 5 and then they can put up 7 or 8 on the Bruins. That's what I would do, but that's why I'm not a coach.

Speaker 4:
[102:59] How important is it to have a good power play going in playoffs? Because right now, watching Colorado, they don't scare me as much as other teams because they can't score on the power play.

Speaker 6:
[103:10] Yeah, power play is huge, but the number one thing that's most important in playoffs is penalty kill. If you have a good penalty kill, it goes back to defense wins championships, I look back at our team in the last two years, and nobody talks about our series against Tampa, the last two years because it was one of his first round and they were both in five, but that's biggest reason was because of our penalty kill. Obviously, they've got one of the best power plays in the league for the last however many years. But our PK was dynamite and very, very solid throughout the rest of the playoffs, but especially in that round. So that's number one thing I think that needs to get hot if you want to have a chance. And then physicality. And one thing I was actually talking about too with, I don't forget I was talking about it the other day, but one big thing that nobody talked about that I think fans would really enjoy to hear, and they might think I'm fucked up for this, but when guys are injured or banged up, look at some of these guys around the league that are just coming back or might come back missing a game or two, players target them not to hurt them, but you are so physical and you know what injury these guys have had, and you know if they're playing 100 percent, you know if they're not, and I know guys like when I played against Vegas, I learned this from Vegas because when I hurt my sternum against them, the next two games or whatever I played, I was getting punched in the chest, hit on the shoulder, cross-check every single face-off in the middle of the shift, end of the shift, scrum, everything. So I'm like, damn, these guys are motherfuckers. They know I'm banged up and they keep coming. They want me left in a body bag. So I think you're starting to see some of these teams, like some of these guys come back. I know some guys in Tampa are probably coming back soon. I know a couple of guys in Ottawa are coming back soon. For fans out there, I wouldn't be surprised if you're starting to see this because that's how players think. And that to me is a huge, huge part in having success in playoffs and knowing how healthy the other team is, staying healthy, your team, and going after these guys.

Speaker 4:
[105:20] I tell this story all the time. Tom Wilson, when we played them in playoffs, there was a scrum in front of the net and he skated out to the blue line to come grab me and just kept punching. I had a separated shoulder. He just kept punching me in the shoulder. He's like, is it this one? Is it this one? I'm gonna grab my other shoulder. He's like, is it that one? And I'm like, yeah.

Speaker 6:
[105:38] Yeah, like last year, we were playing Tampa and Verheggie hit Surnak first period. I think Cirelli got tangled up in a face off in the first period. And, you know, we're in there after the period, like trying to talk amongst each other. It's like, which way did they fall? Like, you know, this, this and that. And we know that they're doing it to me because after every single whistle or every face off, they're pushing my leg or grabbing my leg because of my adductor stuff. So it's all a game within the game ship. That's what makes playoffs like the best. And that's what makes the Cup the hardest to win in sports because it is sometimes could be the longest, most gruesome two months ever.

Speaker 4:
[106:16] Every guy's a doctor, Biz. They got looking at x-rays and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[106:20] Oper plane operation.

Speaker 3:
[106:22] Oh, I was using ChatGPT when McDavid left the game yesterday. I'm like falling inside. What tendon is that?

Speaker 2:
[106:30] Yeah. What's that? Web MD., but what's crazy is you saying that, Matthew, and the fact that there's cameras around now. Remember back in the day when there was no cameras? Oh, guys were just gauntless. Just like trying to step on each other.

Speaker 6:
[106:47] It's not that crazy, but it's definitely like as players, or I'll have, I'll have, and then I'll have players text me last year if we're playing, I guess Brady. Brady would be the first one. And then who did Carolina play second? I'll maybe Washington. But we'd have players text us on the teams that these teams would just beat and be like, hey, so and so like his, he can't skate. His left knee is so banged up. This guy can't take the hit on his right shoulder. So I think that's the biggest part I've learned with playoffs is like it goes so deep with research and pre-scouts and a lot of it's injury related.

Speaker 3:
[107:26] But Florida didn't play nasty guys. They didn't do anything. They were just like the 97 wings. They were just snapping it around.

Speaker 6:
[107:32] That's every team though. I mean, we learned that from Vegas the year before. Like they were so ruthless and bigger and nastier. And it was, you learn lessons in playoffs throughout. And that was, that was me. I remember playing the Ducks my rookie year. Holy shit. I wasn't even injured. I felt like I had every part of my body injured the way they were staying. They were coming after me and everything. I'm like, this is the man's game. Okay, this is different.

Speaker 2:
[107:55] You know, a final scene of Braveheart when the guy takes all the tools out. He's about to fucking cut his gut open and stuff like that. That's pretty much what it's like. We were just talking about all these injuries. I think a pretty cool component though is I met a bunch of the Panthers with you, Yans, at that. It was a J-Bar. What's the bar you guys always go to by your house? The one that you could play, they either let you play the music whenever you want.

Speaker 6:
[108:22] Every bar?

Speaker 2:
[108:24] No. We went there with Whip.

Speaker 4:
[108:28] F.L.s.

Speaker 2:
[108:29] F.L.s.

Speaker 6:
[108:29] Great spot.

Speaker 2:
[108:32] Your guys, like ART., massage therapist guy was there. How important it is to have a really good one who can help fix you up quick. Because you guys are all dealing with these nagging things.

Speaker 4:
[108:43] He was doing every team in the Olympics, I heard.

Speaker 2:
[108:47] Yeah. I guess he's just a wizard. How important is to have a guy like that around? I heard that the one that you guys have is like the best guy in the league.

Speaker 6:
[108:55] Yeah. He's unreal. Our whole staff is unreal here. They really, really are. I think you don't play this many games the last few years and go on that many deep runs. This year was such a weird year with injuries. Not like any injuries like that related. It was all like broken bones and shit and weird. But for those guys to keep us healthy through 100 plus games every year, they deserve all the credit in the world. They're working way harder than we are, just to keep us on the ice. So I think teams got to really, really... That's probably the way the league's gonna go. I think the next step is like really, really taking that up a notch with having, whether it's more people around or more shit on the road. We travel with like blow up cold tubs that they just put in the pool area. It's like little stuff like that. Like we stay over a lot. Like we do all this stuff that's really changed from like my first couple of years in the league to like I don't know if it's sports science related or just recovery. I think just put under the recovery umbrella. But that has become the biggest part. This game is so fast and physical. Like you can't just tip toe your way through the year and expect to be playing at your best come June. So those guys like Timmy and the whole staff, like you gotta give them a shout out because they're truly the glue to our organization and allowing us to do what we've done and hopefully continue what we want to do.

Speaker 4:
[110:19] Biz, I think Vinny Viola found Timmy. He was getting like PT. I guess his back was all messed up. He was getting PT in like Virginia or something like that. And it was Timmy's place and he was like, this guy saved me. And then when he bought the team, he brought him with him. So just like smart move by bringing them.

Speaker 2:
[110:38] Yeah, they were raving about him when I was, I met him at that bar and I was, I just, it just came to my mind when you talked about all these injuries and how important it is to have a huge, like a big staff that can basically treat you guys like the Ferraris that you are.

Speaker 3:
[110:51] Well, and injuries makes me, I forgot, Dickinson couldn't play game two for Edmonton. Two goals in the first game, he'd been coming back from injury and then he was like kind of wounded in that game yet too. Need that guy back, kind of an enormous third line center for us.

Speaker 6:
[111:05] But I stayed up for that game last night too, like that team's never out of it.

Speaker 3:
[111:10] Never.

Speaker 4:
[111:11] That's crazy.

Speaker 6:
[111:12] That series is probably the one, I look at like all the playoffs as a whole right now. That one is a little bit different and the Philly Pittsburgh one, just like a little bit different. All the rest of them are pretty much nuts.

Speaker 3:
[111:27] Yeah, it's Edmonton Oilers' playoff hockey. It's just straight up crack. It's bizarre. They're never out of it. When you think they're going to win, they lose. You think they're going to lose, they win and it's just what we've become accustomed to. But Matthew, we appreciate it, buddy. And once again, congrats, man. New dad, you sleeping at all?

Speaker 6:
[111:46] Very, very, actually, who am I kidding? I'm sleeping great still, but it's been fun. Best thing ever. Yeah, gotta try to win it next year so that you can sit in the Stanley Cup, like all these kids get to do after they win. So that'll be the goal. We actually just did our first, I mean, we're talking like a week old here right now, but we just did like our baby pictures or, you know, I don't even know what they're called. Everybody does it, I guess. I've never heard of it, but I guess everybody does it. And she has got a gift from one of somebody in her family, like the pole USA Olympic gear, but for kids. Nice. So she brought it today to wear and I sneakily brought the gold medal too. So I got a little one-on-one picture.

Speaker 4:
[112:35] That's nice.

Speaker 6:
[112:36] That's what it's all about. She was Millie was in Milan, but just in the womb. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[112:43] Make sure you get some rest tonight because we got a big match tomorrow.

Speaker 6:
[112:46] Hey, bring it.

Speaker 4:
[112:47] You better bring it.

Speaker 2:
[112:48] What's happening? What do you mean?

Speaker 4:
[112:49] Pros versus Joes.

Speaker 6:
[112:50] Yeah. Little we're doing the pros slash podcasters versus a couple of our buddies down here in Florida. So it'll be fun. We're playing it for golf. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[113:01] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[113:01] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[113:02] Of course.

Speaker 6:
[113:03] We're playing audios tomorrow. Tomorrow morning.

Speaker 4:
[113:05] So we'll get a break down on that one. I think I got a sandbagger with these guys to biz at some point. When at some point we got to get it. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 6:
[113:15] Yeah, we got we got to get it.

Speaker 4:
[113:17] Fuck.

Speaker 2:
[113:17] Would it be your dad being the third?

Speaker 6:
[113:19] Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2:
[113:21] OK. I mean, I'm worried about these guys drinking, trying to keep up to your old man. Oh, the last question I was asked, will you go to Ottawa for any games?

Speaker 6:
[113:30] I told them that I would go up if they make it past the series, but I'm still I might be might be doing. I got to figure out the rest of my month of May. Michael represent the boys in red, white and blue.

Speaker 3:
[113:43] OK.

Speaker 6:
[113:44] At the end of the month, might still still not officially, like still undecided with everything. But my body feels amazing. I only played 30 games this year and I just want to win something.

Speaker 3:
[113:53] So I saw Parky's going over there. Yeah, he didn't get he didn't get to play one. So it makes sense.

Speaker 2:
[113:59] But that tournament hasn't even started yet.

Speaker 6:
[114:01] No, no, it's like late May or something.

Speaker 4:
[114:03] But doing that triple gold crowd or crowd, what?

Speaker 6:
[114:07] That's that's one of the goals right there.

Speaker 4:
[114:09] I got the two amazing.

Speaker 6:
[114:10] Oh, it'd be cool to get that one. But I just got to see how everything is with with the body and new dad and all the shit you guys know.

Speaker 2:
[114:19] Do you do you live in Vail for part of your summer?

Speaker 6:
[114:23] I bought a place out in Colorado near there in Avon. So I'm spending close to a month there later in the summer.

Speaker 2:
[114:30] That's your go get away, like restore and become one with the earth again type place.

Speaker 6:
[114:35] Yeah, I bought it three years ago. I've been to it zero times.

Speaker 2:
[114:39] So I like my place in Jackson.

Speaker 6:
[114:41] Yeah, but I'm actually going there this year with being healthy and everything. So I don't know if I'm going to skate that much out there, because I don't like skating at all. I'm like, not at all. I like skating very little in the summer and just ramping it up, like right when I come to Florida, like a few weeks or a month before max, before the season starts. So yeah, it'll be good to spend some time there, good to be a new dad, just spend time at home. But it sucks not being played, especially with these games, like I said, they're so fun. So we'll have to do this again, maybe next round or round after.

Speaker 4:
[115:16] Hell yeah.

Speaker 3:
[115:16] We appreciate it, bud.

Speaker 4:
[115:17] We'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 6:
[115:19] See you, boys.

Speaker 4:
[115:19] Thanks, Matthew.

Speaker 3:
[115:20] See you.

Speaker 2:
[115:21] See you, boy.

Speaker 3:
[115:22] We did forget to bring up that just kind of the doc play biz quickly in that Tampa. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[115:28] First of all, we got to talk about that game, like unreal, man. Hegel is one of the best contract values in the NHL.

Speaker 4:
[115:37] What's he make?

Speaker 2:
[115:39] Seven million, maybe, just under.

Speaker 3:
[115:40] I don't even think it's that.

Speaker 2:
[115:42] I think he makes like six and change, maybe five, eight then.

Speaker 7:
[115:46] He makes 6.5 AAV.

Speaker 4:
[115:48] Oh, my God.

Speaker 3:
[115:49] That's like crazy.

Speaker 7:
[115:50] Until 2032, boys.

Speaker 4:
[115:51] Oh, no.

Speaker 3:
[115:53] But the biggest thing for me, Tampa had lost four straight home playoff games. They'd lost 10 of 11. Kucherov hadn't scored forever. He ties it up. They end up getting the winner in overtime. Awesome play by JJ Moser. It was just so crazy that Doc, just a couple more steps, he's got the red line. He throws it in early, icing. And then not only does he ice the puck, but Moser walks around him. And St. Louis just looked furious. He brought up the play after. You gotta think Brendan Gallagher and kind of what he's been able to do in the playoffs. I don't know. That game isn't until tomorrow, so I'm guessing there's no lineup decisions made. But I don't know if he stays in the lineup after. It wasn't just one play. It was two plays that kind of lose the game for Montreal and just a tough loss for them. They had that game of control.

Speaker 4:
[116:45] I was sitting here watching it with a buddy, and after he iced it, I'm like, they're gonna score. They panned to St. Louis on the bench, and he was like this, chewing his gum. Just like looking up, I'm like, oh shit, he knows they're gonna score. And then to go out and give the sweep check, like, if you do ice that, you gotta do whatever. It's not like it's Kale McCartch, JJ. Moser out there. Like, you gotta go out, get in the body lane.

Speaker 3:
[117:09] Just a better angle almost.

Speaker 2:
[117:12] So I saw another angle of Cooch and Cooch interfered with him a little bit in a good way. Oh, yeah. He fucking Cooch is 10 miles ahead being like, oh, yeah. And he put the body and then kind of took his stick away. And then it's like a panic situation for Doc to get out. But he wasn't in a bad spot. He put himself in a bad spot. You don't need to like attack out like that. And I felt terrible for him. That's the thing, man, the lack of oxygen going to your brain, the panic, the crowds on top of you. And all of a sudden you're that you're there turning the lines over and you're playing against the top line when you're Kirby Doc. I mean, I would have shut down my social media too.

Speaker 3:
[117:55] Yeah, he deleted the Instagram.

Speaker 4:
[117:57] That's so yeah, it's fucking brutal.

Speaker 3:
[117:59] And once, you know, and St. Louis mentioned him as well. So then it's even more kind of like, oh, coach is talking about him. I can tell him to jump off a bridge. Like, sounds insane, but that's literally what people do. The fucking messages they'll send. So that's-

Speaker 4:
[118:14] But listen, like these guys want to win more than the fans want to win. Trust me. And he feels worse than anybody on planet earth. Maybe as an organization or as a human being, give the guys some fucking praise. Maybe pump his tires a little bit. So if he does get back in the lineup, he plays. But like, when people go after people, I just-

Speaker 2:
[118:36] When you DM guys, you're a fucking idiot.

Speaker 3:
[118:37] You got problems.

Speaker 2:
[118:39] You got problems. You got problems.

Speaker 3:
[118:40] Serious problems.

Speaker 2:
[118:41] You got problems.

Speaker 3:
[118:42] I'm interested to see Friday night, like, Caulfield, Bowie.

Speaker 2:
[118:47] And they were DMing his fucking girlfriend or fiance or wife, I don't know. She had to fucking take her social media down.

Speaker 4:
[118:53] Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2:
[118:54] Hey, if you're listening to this and you're DMing players, Roll on. Because your favorite team got scored on and it's that guy's fault, you're a fucking clown.

Speaker 3:
[119:03] You touched some grass there, Biz.

Speaker 2:
[119:05] Yeah, you could. Hey, you could bitch about it and fuck to talk about your with your sports buddies and talk about the game. Like, but to go after them like directly, like like the sad message. It's fucking brutal.

Speaker 3:
[119:17] So see if Caulfield can get a little bit more. I think Hudson's been phenomenal. Dolby's has been good. That series is great so far. Like that. I'm actually happy there's two days in between the game. Friday night, Bell Center will be unreal, be rocking. And I did get a coup after the game. He's like, somebody's got to be the villain, I guess. We're OK with it. Like, I don't know. Do you think he means that, like, he thinks more people are rooting for Montreal?

Speaker 2:
[119:43] I think people are sick of when teams have long reigns and Tampa is one of those teams.

Speaker 1:
[119:49] I don't think it helps the case that Hagel's going too small to the bench, too small, too small, and then doing the Aaron Asham sleeper and the penalty. I mean, fucking rights, man. Entertainment. Hagel's bringing it, buddy. Yes, I think that more people would rather see Montreal win than Tampa. I personally, I don't care. I don't care who advances from that series, but Hagel is definitely making me want to root for Tampa, because I want to see more Hagel if that's what he's bringing. But then again, you have a serial killer and Josh Anderson on the other side, too.

Speaker 2:
[120:28] Well, according to Wild fans, you and the rest of the guys at TNT, you just want Dallas to win. This tweet made me laugh out loud. I think Jamie Ben could pull out a gun at Center Ice and the TNT panel would start talking about stand your ground laws in order to defend them. We're in Dallas.

Speaker 1:
[120:47] Yeah, I just I've really, really like I've done a 180 on Wild fans in the fact that they wanted to lay a game penalty when the guy was over Center and Ice and he put it over the glass.

Speaker 2:
[120:59] I know.

Speaker 1:
[121:00] I just I'm in shock.

Speaker 2:
[121:03] We've been going a while. Let's get to our way. Let's bring in our way.

Speaker 1:
[121:07] You know where we need to send them? The leader.

Speaker 4:
[121:24] Oh, everybody, welcome to R.A.'s World, here on the Spittin Chiclets Podcast. Boys, we got a big one across the dam tonight. Game three, the Bronz. I have all fired up. Best home record. No one had more home wins than in this year. 29, 11 and one. Place is gonna be rocking. Can not forget. Wait, huge win the other night. Team responded like I hoped and thought they would. Tied 1-1, coming home. Love it. What's up, Bissonnette?

Speaker 1:
[121:43] Are you gonna be there?

Speaker 4:
[121:45] As of now, no, not as of right now. I didn't even bother with the request after, you know, the blast e-mail and I talked about it in the pod. And if someone were to hit me up and say, hey, I already got a ticket, absolutely. But right now, I'm probably gonna lock in by myself here on my pad, because I find I pay the most attention and lock in, even watching my family. People are chatting, you get distracted. But as of now, I'll be here. If something changes, I'll be across the street. But I'm fired up, man.

Speaker 1:
[122:10] Let's go, Rear.

Speaker 4:
[122:11] Let's fucking go, is right, buddy. I think Swain.

Speaker 1:
[122:13] What's your prediction?

Speaker 4:
[122:15] I mean, dude, I think the B's are gonna win. Swain locked in, like I said, nobody had more home wins than them this year. Carolina had the same amount. I can't- In the East? In the whole league. Really? Yeah, they had won 29 games at home. Carolina had the same amount. Nobody had more than them. So yeah, I'm jacked up. The team we saw game two was more like the team we saw all season. A hell of a bounce back. Armitage in two goals. Zach got one goal. Middles that had two assists, that line bounced back. Swayman, what can we say about him? 931 save percentage. I don't know if we listened to the plot or read the blog, but that timeout call you guys mentioned earlier, I guess Sturm was gonna do the same on the bench, but a good awareness for him to recognize, Buffalo was starting to get that momentum there. I mean, if they ever had a disastrous collapse again, man, this town would have been burned down by them.

Speaker 2:
[122:59] That's so funny. Did Sturm say after, yeah, I was gonna do it. I had that. Don't worry, I had that one. I had a cover.

Speaker 5:
[123:04] I was gonna change the laundry, babe.

Speaker 2:
[123:08] Hey, all right, all right. We haven't talked Colorado LA, which is yes, I mean, and we haven't talked Utah Vegas. One thing I want to bring up for Utah Vegas, two unreal moves by Ryan Smith. First being, did you notice he tweeted out and said, for anyone that was a Vegas Golden Knights fan before we came and has a jersey, come on in, exchange it, we'll give you a free mammoth jersey. Unreal move, maybe some people in Utah just hopped on Vegas being somewhat close by. And then the other one was, I think he's looking to give eight sweet tickets out. I think the Delta Center is going to be insane tonight. And Utah gets an enormous game to win. What do you got on that series so far?

Speaker 4:
[123:53] There's an unreal game the other night, 19 saves, 21 shots. Dude, this team, I think people are sleeping on them like other teams, just because second year in Utah, they were the former coyotes, former jets didn't have a lot of success. But I mean, it was Cooley, Gunther, and what's his name, Keller. Those guys are just whirling dervishes out there. Surga Chessman playing unreal, like both sides of the ice. I would be surprised, like I did pick, what's his name, Vegas and seven based on the way Cotter Hart's been playing. But I don't know, Utah has been impressive thus far. They've stolen home ice advantage. So a great series. Again, I think people might be sleeping on. There's a kind of a little, well, statistical anomaly. Hart had 27 saves on 29 shots the other night, but he gave up three goals because it's not a shot. What's his name? Anderson kicked it in the puck by accident, kicked it in the net by accident. So it was an own goal. Because I was double checking stats. I was like, wait a minute, how do you have 27 saves on 29 shots? But it's not a shot against when your own guy kicks in the net. So just a little nerd stat that jumped out at me. That's all. But yeah, boys, I'm jacked up. What do you got for me, Biz?

Speaker 1:
[124:55] I was just going to say Dylan Gunther, his release.

Speaker 5:
[124:59] Holy shit.

Speaker 1:
[125:00] That fucking goal that Yamamoto slid over to him, that is easy money sniper right there.

Speaker 2:
[125:07] Biz, was it you saying that when you did the gross grind with Bedard, he was talking about Gunther's shot then?

Speaker 1:
[125:13] He was pumping his tires. Yans brought our, I think it was Army or Merle's reminded me that Yans when we had Donner on, Donner was raving about this kid saying like, wait till you see his shot. And he, I don't know, man, like I would say he's top five as far as his release and how effortless it is and how the velocity he gets on it. So that's one thing that stuck out. I thought that him and Logan Cooley, Cooley specifically has easily been their best player. Like he is, he's a dog and he got a death threat towards him and then got the winner in the next game. Like he's fucking what? 20 years old? How old is he? 20, 21 years old? I thought that Kels and Schmaltzy looked better in game two than they did in game one, but still need more from them, you know, as they get acclimated to like what it's like being in playoffs and they're getting a lot of attention from guys who have already done it and dogs in the NHL, especially when it comes to playoff hockey. I think that they skate well. I think that they move. It's a very, it's a unique series, right? Like you could tell Vegas is not as fast, but they're more physical and they're trying to wear them down and they have the guys that could do that and play, right? Like Stone, he's fucking big, strong.

Speaker 2:
[126:35] Barbachev's goal was...

Speaker 1:
[126:37] Barbachev is being Barbachev from when they won it the last time and when he was with St. Louis. So, it's... I would say, it would be cool to see Utah win this series. If it got into my head, I still have a hard time believing that Vegas isn't going to find a way to win this series. That's how I feel about it. But one of those ones where maybe from an entertainment perspective, I didn't have as much expectations.

Speaker 5:
[127:03] Same.

Speaker 1:
[127:04] But it's over delivered.

Speaker 2:
[127:06] It was immediately too, because I'm with you. I didn't know what to expect. It was good from the hop. Now, it's turned into a little nastiness. Yeah, Vamilka, he is very good. You mentioned him last year, I believe.

Speaker 1:
[127:20] He had an off year last year. I think it was a year before he was very good. Then last year, he regressed a little bit. But very athletic. He was good in Arizona, good contract, well-liked. Yeah, he is fucking nasty. He is a nasty goalie. I would prefer to watch this series in Colorado, LA.

Speaker 5:
[127:40] Oh, yeah, 100 percent.

Speaker 2:
[127:42] That series, I mean, LA has not scored five on five. I think the numbers five on five are maybe as tilted as you've ever seen in a playoff series. Give LA credit, right? I mean, they go up one-noth in game two. It's like, holy shit, they might pull this out. Nicholas Wah, Roy, however you want to say it. Big overtime goal. It just seems like LA is so overmatched. Ari, I don't know if you have any thoughts on that series, but five on five, it's not even close.

Speaker 5:
[128:12] No.

Speaker 4:
[128:13] Tough luck for Antoine Forsberg. 0-2, but he's got a 1-9-0 goals against 9-4-1, safe percentage, and here's an interesting note. You know, going back to Edmonton briefly, they could have signed him in the offseason, Dan Valdau or Cotterhot, three goalies that are playing exceptionally well in the playoffs right now. Just and, you know, they didn't take a flyer on any of those guys. I mean, the lowest safe percentage of any of those three is Cotterhot right now.

Speaker 1:
[128:34] Wedgwood, Blockwood, like, yeah, buddy, they could have fucking went out and got 10 goalies in the last 18 months. It's fucking insane, bro. It's fucking insane.

Speaker 2:
[128:48] I go back to the draft when they traded the pick that Minnesota took Walsh that with. That's probably the one that really, really hurts the most considering how young he is and that right now, as he's ready to go, the Oilers are in their most win now moment they've ever been in. So, yeah, I think people were like, he won't be ready. He's ready. But I don't know how this just turned into Edmonton goaltending segment. I was looking for R.A.'s thoughts on the Utah...

Speaker 1:
[129:14] Because people say it's the most important position to win the Stanley Cup. And every other team has seemed to be able to figure out and solve that problem, other than management and Edmonton.

Speaker 2:
[129:27] I believe in England.

Speaker 4:
[129:29] While we're on the arc, the Kings, congratulations. Trevor Lewis officially announced his retirement after a 17-year NHL career to Stanley Cup. So shout out to him. Biz, I want to talk TNT. What a brilliant night for play-by-play, guys, last night. We went from Kenny Albert to John Fawson to Randy Hahn, who's normally the Sharks' announcer. He came on. Hold on.

Speaker 2:
[129:49] Randy Hahn, great announcer.

Speaker 1:
[129:51] Unreal.

Speaker 2:
[129:51] And I think it's Drew Ramenda, his guy. They were together. Very, very excited when Anaheim scored goals, boys.

Speaker 5:
[130:01] Oh, California.

Speaker 1:
[130:02] Who gives a, California?

Speaker 2:
[130:04] Go watch the clips. Edmonton would score. Anaheim would score. It's like Anaheim, San Jose's going to arrive. It was, to me, it was very, it's the US watching the candidate. They were seeming to be rooting for the Anaheim Ducks.

Speaker 1:
[130:17] Buddy, if it was Jack McMichael's calling it, he'd be fucking cream in his fucking jeans.

Speaker 2:
[130:24] He's the Oilers' announcer. These guys are the Sharks' announcers. What are you talking about? That was the worst analogy I've ever heard.

Speaker 4:
[130:30] And I believe Randy Simeon-Edminton, if I'm not mistaken, too, so...

Speaker 1:
[130:34] They probably are down with SoCal winning some hockey games.

Speaker 5:
[130:38] Yeah, but you can't have... It's gotta be...

Speaker 4:
[130:41] A producer's telling them when American team scores, like, call it louder.

Speaker 1:
[130:45] Is that something a producer would do?

Speaker 2:
[130:46] I don't know, but RA., did you notice that or no?

Speaker 4:
[130:48] I didn't. I didn't.

Speaker 1:
[130:50] I didn't notice it either.

Speaker 2:
[130:51] So I noticed it, and then I started seeing tweets about it. I'm like, all right, I'm not crazy. It was like...

Speaker 1:
[130:56] Oh, fucking Oilers.

Speaker 4:
[130:58] I love it when...

Speaker 1:
[130:59] Oilers, fucking... That's the worst analogy I've ever heard.

Speaker 2:
[131:02] Well, you just compared the Oilers announcer rooting for the Oilers compared to the Sharks announcer rooting for the Ducks.

Speaker 1:
[131:08] What are you talking about? Maybe they're sick and tired of fucking seeing the fucking Oilers and all the... everything they got going on in playoffs and all their drama. They want to see new blood. Maybe that's what's going on.

Speaker 5:
[131:19] No one's sick of seeing McDavid.

Speaker 4:
[131:23] Also, too, obviously, the color guys do a great job. I got a nice DM from Kenny Albatso. I tweeted about the play-by-play guys, so thanks, Kenny.

Speaker 5:
[131:30] Okay, Tripp Tracy.

Speaker 4:
[131:34] Joe, actually, there's a great read about Jody Shelley, one of the color guys, on the hockeywriters.com. I saw that. Really good stuff. His first game was great. He had a minute and 33. Yeah, one 33 time of ice, two fights, 10 penalty minutes, which sort of set the tone for his career. And Biz, I don't know if you talked to any of the production people at TNT, but give them a shout out for the terrific camera work.

Speaker 1:
[131:54] Oh, they're the best. The play-by-play, like you said, everyone they have is just like first class.

Speaker 4:
[131:59] Like catching the Vlada losing his blade, but also before the game. This is probably camera nerd stuff, but the drone shot of the Billy Penn statue at the top of Philadelphia City Hall. Just absolutely beautiful stop man. So kudos to those guys. So yeah, fire away.

Speaker 1:
[132:14] Any other complaints, Whit?

Speaker 2:
[132:16] Coach Lindy Ruff said Josh Norris is not available for tonight. Oh, That is a big loss. You've seen the record with him playing and him not playing. That is a kick in the dick. And I feel Buffalo Sabres fans, I feel second. First is Josh Norris, man. This guy's been so good and he's finally been able to be healthy for a while this year. I don't know. That's not good. He's considered day to day, but still not having him game three is a big loss.

Speaker 4:
[132:47] Yeah. And Biz, I think Zdorov must hate carnivals because he keeps on going after Zach Benson. I mean, he's got about a foot and a half on him. He keeps pummeling him every time he sees him on the ice out there. Not sure if he's a kind of guy, but here's a crazy staff lawyer. Philly defenseman, Noah Juleson, he's got two points, which is the same as McDavid, McKinnon, McCar and Crosby combined in the playoff so far. That's an absolutely wild stat.

Speaker 1:
[133:09] Boys, they just, yeah, Norris out. They just announced his replacement.

Speaker 5:
[133:14] Josh Allen.

Speaker 4:
[133:17] Blade Gang.

Speaker 5:
[133:18] Blade Gang. Give him a chance.

Speaker 4:
[133:21] I know Biz, you tried. Did you guys see the clip of Sid in the box after he got called for the embellishment? Yeah, that was hilarious. Who looked at a game like the em, and you could see kind of Sid sort of smirked back at him. I don't think we could show it here anyways, but that was pretty funny stuff.

Speaker 1:
[133:36] Yeah, that was good.

Speaker 4:
[133:39] Connor Murphy and Arista Lennon, first playoff goals in each of the 13th seasons, man. Pretty, pretty wild stuff. That's a long freaking way to get your first playoff goal. Hagel got the first Gordie Howe hat trick in Tampa Bay playoff history. Thought that was pretty good stuff. Yeah, interesting stuff. Oh, did you see this video just come out? I see that this morning. Someone threw, well, they called it a rotisserie chick. And that's what got thrown on the ice late at the Edmonton Ducks game last night. I forget it. Probably a duck. I mean, why would you, you know, if you're going to throw.

Speaker 1:
[134:06] Well, because they go to cross courts right there. And it's like, I think you just kind of get the point, right? Kind of like I said, my earlier analogy, I think.

Speaker 2:
[134:13] Randy Hahn was calling PETA.

Speaker 4:
[134:18] I thought it was duck, duck, orange or whatever the hell that stuff's called. But there's other no biz. The ratings drew the roof. I don't know if you follow this. Yeah, Braylon Breeze, Braylon underscore Breeze. He does a terrific job. Everyone. The NHL might be a little turning a bit of a quarter here with the ratings. I mean, there's too many records that they've set the list right now. But like, kind of like sort of start with the dick measuring contest with NBA ratings. Like it's just, it's not a contest to catch up to them. I mean, I don't, you know, the numbers are never going to catch up. I know NBA ratings are down, but there's still, you know, there's always probably going to be more people actually watching the NBA that will be watching the NHL. I don't know, I just feel like people...

Speaker 1:
[134:57] I think the reason for the compare... I think the reason for the comparison is like, you have these like players who seem to kind of not give a. They want to rest. They don't want to... I think that like the overall emotional investment that they're providing that their sport is a correlation to the drop in viewership and how much hockey players care and they put in to their craft. And the respect that people who want to watch live entertainment are now giving it. Hockey is a very niche sport. And to see that it's gaining so much ground on something like the NBA, I think that that's why they're kind of just comparing the two.

Speaker 5:
[135:38] But no, they compare it because you play the same amount of games in the same season.

Speaker 1:
[135:43] Okay. Well, yeah, okay, I don't know if like you think that's why.

Speaker 5:
[135:51] Yeah, like they don't do it with baseball because it's in the different seasons and they play way more games.

Speaker 2:
[135:57] Well, I think they say it's the same amount of games, way more physical, and they're still able to like up their level in the playoffs.

Speaker 1:
[136:05] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[136:05] But I get what you're saying, RA.

Speaker 1:
[136:07] I think it's the easiest to compare in a sense of gameplay. It's just like a continuous thing. You know? Okay.

Speaker 4:
[136:14] Yeah. Two vastly different sports. But a couple of notes here. Porto Marton, he's playing like he's been with the Flyers for 10 years. He's just doing things you don't usually see a rookie this early in his career. I forget which penguin he had. Kind of mushing his face in the ice, like avoiding the penalty, like a little skirmish toward the end. This kid is playing way beyond his experience level right now. Obviously, I think he's got two game winning goals. He's been a treat to watch so far. Also, we got to give a shout out to Freddie Anderson, who went over so far. 0.78 goals against 967% with a shout out. He's been playing great. I know he's, you know, I don't know what he's had injuries over his career, but for a veteran who's been around for a long time, it's been great to see what he's doing.

Speaker 2:
[136:56] All right. You give out gambling picks. I think Ottawa Game 3 is a nice bet. I like it a lot.

Speaker 4:
[137:04] I haven't seen the odds on it yet, but I agree. O'Mock's been playing terrific. He's another guy who's getting some tough luck, 0-2, but his numbers are fantastic. Yeah. I'm cool. I guess I'm kind of on the wagon right now, but yeah, I agree. That would be a good play. I'm not even sure what the Bruins line is tonight, but I love what Chuckie Mack and Hampus Lindholm, the other night, they both played over 27 minutes. The next two DUO, under 16 minutes. I mean, Sturm rode them, but whatever. You got to lead. You got to sit on it. I'm glad they did that. Past the five points in two games. I don't know, man. I'm feeling like a lot more confident than I was a couple of days ago with this team. I'd be surprised if they lose tonight, but I'm fired up, jacked up.

Speaker 2:
[137:42] Straight pick them tonight, RA.

Speaker 4:
[137:43] Straight pick them. Is it really?

Speaker 2:
[137:45] Yeah. Well, mine is 110 each.

Speaker 4:
[137:47] That's going to tempt me to fall off the wagon. But what else? Oh, great play. I know you guys mentioned Dachie, the back check on Boldy. Because a lot of people are like, oh, Boldy, he's going to see that in his sleep. It's like, bro, he didn't have a clean swipe at it. I mean, Duchenne Cabana made an incredible play to break things up. And then the penalties, man, like Jamie Bennett, that's a bad penalty to take there. Then people, Quinn Hughes went out ranting. And he's like, oh, he went down. I think once you get hands up high in a guy's face like that, plus it was just not a smart penalty whether ranting went down easy or not. It was probably going to be a nice in there, too. And once you get your hands up like that, even in overtime, that's when they make a call.

Speaker 2:
[138:24] I was with Wilde fans on that one.

Speaker 1:
[138:26] But then they got one back where Quinn Hughes got the tripping call.

Speaker 2:
[138:30] Yeah. That was why I think that it made a little bit more sense. They'd already kind of given the wild one. But yeah, I thought it was a little bit of a dive by ranting. But they didn't score on that one anyways. It was the year of delay of games.

Speaker 4:
[138:44] Is that not the worst way to lose a game? It's like the number one. The worst. Because I mean, other penalties, it's a physical action where sometimes you're doing it deliberately or maybe accidental. But that's just such like almost an innocuous penalty. But I don't know, that's a kick on the balls to lose.

Speaker 1:
[138:59] But the minute it leaves your stick, oh no, no, no.

Speaker 4:
[139:03] Shotting all over your fucking.

Speaker 1:
[139:06] Do you guys agree though, NHL, like you got no one on you, you got to make a play? Like that's. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[139:11] 100%.

Speaker 1:
[139:12] Yeah. 100%.

Speaker 4:
[139:14] Let me ask you, the geeky goal the other night, you know, fucking center-rights like Pop Fly, that you PL missed. How much does that deflate a team on the bench, especially when you're down 2-0? And like, how much does that just kill a team mentally? Or does it?

Speaker 5:
[139:27] Yeah. It definitely is a buzz kill, you know, especially if you're starting to get momentum and then something like that happens. But yeah, it's brutal. But it's a heads up play by geeky. I used to do it. I mean, everyone does it where you just, you know, if you can't get to the red line sometimes, you'll shoot it at the net, try to have it bounce. Remember, Lidstrom did it against Vancouver. Yeah. So it's like that's a copycat, like we said. It's like, but it's one of those things where it could hit them. That could be a rebound that comes out. But I thought it was a great play by geeky to have the awareness to do it. But it definitely, definitely is a buzzkill on the bench.

Speaker 2:
[140:03] It looked like he was in no man's land. Like he didn't come out far enough or like stay back, I guess, a little bit deeper. He was like just right in the middle. I mean, that was, yeah, that's deflating. All right. And the crowd, too. The crowd was just like, oh my god, like we kind of have some momentum going here. We just need one to tie it up. And all of a sudden you let in that it, it makes sense. I think that that goal is why Lyon starting.

Speaker 5:
[140:29] And could Chuck mention the, you know, how much you can feed off of the energy of the crowd and stuff like that. And when something like that deflates a crowd, then you feel it even more on the bench.

Speaker 1:
[140:39] Like when Alan bangs a drum.

Speaker 4:
[140:42] Not to speak of what it does to a goalie's confidence as well, but gee, I know y'all heading the game tonight. I know what you're going to be pre-gaming, but you must be all jacked and pumped as Pete Carroll would say, huh?

Speaker 7:
[140:52] I'm fired up. I'm so fired up, but I'm actually so distracted right now. I did just see a video. Did you guys see that an Edmonton Oilers fan got bitten off in a fight after the game? His ear was bitten off. What is going on right now?

Speaker 1:
[141:06] Yeah, there's some weird shit.

Speaker 2:
[141:08] They were fighting after the game. It's a tense time, buddy. There's a lot of pressure on the Oilers, and the fans feel it.

Speaker 1:
[141:14] Well, that's not what you fucking said in your tweet towards me, that...

Speaker 2:
[141:17] What did you say? Well, I understand. I'm somebody who's able to not be a crazy fan and know, hey, it's one-one. It's never easy with the Oilers. There's fans who are like you, and they panic, and they think it's pathetic, and they want to address them losing a home game. Game two, the Oilers have never gone up to nothing in a series with Connor McDavid. On the team, so it's like this is what they do. I'm not panicking, some fans are. They're fighting each other at the rink, they're biting each other's ears.

Speaker 1:
[141:44] You're blaming the fucking commentators for celebrating too hard.

Speaker 2:
[141:47] Yeah, fuck yeah, I was.

Speaker 5:
[141:49] Wait, it was Edmonton on Edmonton crime?

Speaker 2:
[141:51] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[141:52] Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

Speaker 2:
[141:53] I'll tell you one thing else I should bring up is Speck better fucking unblock me. If they lose game three, Speck doesn't unblock me. He's gotta take some ownership at this point.

Speaker 5:
[142:04] They need Gino in the mix.

Speaker 2:
[142:05] We're pulling on the rope the same direction.

Speaker 4:
[142:09] There have been a ton of fights at Edmonton too, not just last night. I mean, you think Canada, these beer-drinking friendly people. But is it just specific to Albert Bissonnette?

Speaker 5:
[142:18] Long winter, long winter.

Speaker 7:
[142:21] They just get so fucked up though too. Think about it every time we go there. They start drinking so early.

Speaker 2:
[142:27] They're mangled.

Speaker 4:
[142:28] Playoffs at Edmonton, nah. People don't get fucked up in Edmonton. That's an absolute rumble.

Speaker 2:
[142:35] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[142:36] All right.

Speaker 2:
[142:37] All good.

Speaker 4:
[142:38] So I would say I'm the biggest shock thus far the first round, no brainer. I mean, the fly is up 3-0. I mean, that's the only series that's basically a runaway right now. Definitely a shock there, so.

Speaker 5:
[142:47] Oh, no.

Speaker 1:
[142:48] Oh, no, Whit. No.

Speaker 5:
[142:50] No.

Speaker 2:
[142:50] Why are you doing this?

Speaker 5:
[142:52] Hey, this is bullshit, man.

Speaker 1:
[142:54] I'm fucking helping you is what I'm doing.

Speaker 4:
[142:57] What? What? What? What's up, Yance?

Speaker 2:
[143:00] He has an Oilers jersey on.

Speaker 4:
[143:02] All right.

Speaker 2:
[143:02] He's got it. It's number 12, too.

Speaker 1:
[143:04] It's it was given to me by the team.

Speaker 4:
[143:07] I can see it's a little blue.

Speaker 1:
[143:08] They won't lose another game.

Speaker 2:
[143:09] That works out well when teams give you things.

Speaker 4:
[143:12] I know. Just this. Do you have like a hat, a shirt, or like something for every team in the league? Because y'all like Carrot Top.

Speaker 2:
[143:18] AHL and Coast.

Speaker 5:
[143:19] He's got the King of Ontario hat on with the Oilers Jersey.

Speaker 1:
[143:25] Should should we talk about the Wuhan Lob post? We kind of glanced over that with with with Matthew.

Speaker 2:
[143:32] Ty and Ivan. Yeah. All right. You know, the guy in the in the band that just completely mushes the senators every year.

Speaker 4:
[143:38] Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[143:39] They sent it to Wuhan. The teams all expenses paid.

Speaker 4:
[143:45] I like I wonder is that I can't imagine that they sent like sent them there. They have to have to be a story behind this. I can't imagine they just like, oh, we're going to send you to Taiwan. First of all, you think you'd want to be like, you know, in Ottawa going to the game.

Speaker 2:
[143:57] But he loves the sense that much. He knows I've I've fucked up. I think he even said in the video, like after last year, I shouldn't have come back. And he came back and he doubled down. It's almost like, you know, it's Taiwan, Taiwan. I'm taking I'm taking part of the blame for this, right? Like, I understand what I did wrong. And I'm going to go over to the Far East.

Speaker 1:
[144:19] Are we able to play that? Could we play the video that he made, like the second one out of the barn?

Speaker 2:
[144:25] Like he sends tweeted it. Can we play that one?

Speaker 5:
[144:29] Sends tweeted it.

Speaker 2:
[144:31] Yeah, that's the funniest part. It wasn't even him. It was Ottawa. Like we sent this guy. And here, just make a video for us.

Speaker 1:
[144:38] Unpopular Opinion, it's actually a pretty banger track.

Speaker 2:
[144:41] All right, play it.

Speaker 4:
[144:50] Oh, that's it. I think they might have already taken it down.

Speaker 1:
[144:54] Oh, I was hoping they played the song.

Speaker 4:
[144:56] All right. I think G said they just removed it. I'm not sure if that meant the sense took it.

Speaker 2:
[145:00] The sense took it down?

Speaker 4:
[145:03] Gee, so did they take the Taiwan video down? Just need a little clarification.

Speaker 1:
[145:06] Can we just ask who's responsible for posting?

Speaker 7:
[145:08] I was saying our production team just removed it. Nick, play the video with sound right now, please.

Speaker 1:
[145:13] Nick, grab a fucking sniffer, buddy. We're not driving the rental car in LA right now.

Speaker 2:
[145:18] Oh, look, we're into his folder on the behind the screens of his computer.

Speaker 5:
[145:21] Oh, yeah, we're going to see it.

Speaker 1:
[145:24] This is great.

Speaker 2:
[145:24] This is bad for Ottawa. Nick is going to kill them.

Speaker 3:
[145:27] As you can see, I am in Asia. This is not AI. I am actually here. I have been sent here by the Ottawa Senators Organization because they wanted me as far away from the Canadian Tire Center as possible before Game 3 tonight. As most of you know by now, I've become a bit of an Internet celebrity over the past week and not in a good way. The video that was intended to share my joy and passion for our team has instead backfired and unleashed a firestorm of negativity turning me into the biggest Sen's villain since Chris Kunitz. Many of you have blamed me for the goalposts, the crease clears and the overall bad luck we have faced in the first two games.

Speaker 1:
[146:05] Crease clears? What the?

Speaker 3:
[146:07] Upon further reflection, Big Fam, I think you're right. I realize now what I've done is wrong. It was wrong of me to put out another music video. It was wrong to film in front of the CTC without the team's blessing. And it was wrong of me to unleash this string of bad luck on our favorite team. Because of this, I will be watching the rest of the series from Taiwan. A punishment that is harsh but fair. I'm hoping this will help change the outcome of the rest of the series for the Sens. So from the other side of the world, the Sens go.

Speaker 2:
[146:46] I really thought at the end a motorcycle was just going to run them over.

Speaker 1:
[146:49] I thought they were going to behead them.

Speaker 5:
[146:52] We're never hearing from him again because he wore the jersey. Why is he bringing the jersey?

Speaker 2:
[146:56] That's okay.

Speaker 1:
[146:57] Hot take, I think that he was going there anyway and they're spinning this and that's why they're going to get swept.

Speaker 2:
[147:03] I think the Sens wanted that bad that they... He got fired too. He left his job and they sent him. It wasn't a first class ticket. It was last row middle seat on a 20-hour flight to China.

Speaker 4:
[147:17] Jesus is probably a good point too. He's like, oh, it's not AI, but it's like, well, what if it's a green screen? Because a green screen is not AI.

Speaker 2:
[147:24] If it turns out it's a green screen, they're getting swept and they're not making the playoffs next year.

Speaker 5:
[147:30] If that's the same motorcycle coming by on like a loop, we need to do some digging here.

Speaker 2:
[147:36] And that may make Senator's fans even more furious.

Speaker 1:
[147:40] If they should have to play all their home games in Belleville next year, that's a fucking green screen.

Speaker 5:
[147:44] They basically do, hey, he's just in Chinatown in Ottawa.

Speaker 1:
[147:48] This is Witt's least favorite thing that I'm talking about these playoffs is the fact that the Leafs still get to remain the Kings of Ontario if Ottawa loses the series. If they get swept with, well, you fucking crown the Leafs the Kings of Ontario. No.

Speaker 2:
[148:05] No.

Speaker 1:
[148:05] You're a fucking coward.

Speaker 2:
[148:07] I'm going to go towards the team from Ontario most recently in the Stanley Cup Finals.

Speaker 1:
[148:13] Like that. You're a coward, bro. You're a coward.

Speaker 4:
[148:16] You want to crown their ass? Crown their ass. That would be hilarious.

Speaker 2:
[148:20] You want to crown them.

Speaker 1:
[148:20] You won't do spaces after bad home losses where McDavid hasn't had a point in two games.

Speaker 2:
[148:27] Spaces is when it's time to worry. There's no worry. There's no panic. I'm fine. Wear fine. Your team stinks. You can't find a GM. You beat the Senators in the playoffs. That's awesome. You don't do anything else. You can wear your crown. You can wear your elephant tusk over your fucking nose as you're rooting on the mammoth, but you will not get inside my head.

Speaker 4:
[148:52] OK.

Speaker 1:
[148:54] I boys did you wake up to the tusk, the tusk video? Did you wake up to it?

Speaker 2:
[149:01] Yes.

Speaker 4:
[149:03] Is that like a sexy undergarment biz or like a real like elephant thing? I couldn't tell. It looked like something, you know.

Speaker 2:
[149:08] Yeah, it's a real elephant tusk.

Speaker 1:
[149:11] As Jordan Martinick texted me, he's like, did you have a thong shlong on your face last night?

Speaker 5:
[149:17] Oh, shlong?

Speaker 1:
[149:19] Thong shlong.

Speaker 5:
[149:20] That's a good one.

Speaker 1:
[149:21] Shlong thong.

Speaker 4:
[149:22] All right, boys.

Speaker 2:
[149:25] We're in the middle of it already. You get something else?

Speaker 4:
[149:27] Yeah, I love it. Brohens just do what they did the other night. They should be in good shape. And yeah, I'm going to relax for the afternoon, probably finish that Hulk Hogan docu-series that just got hit Netflix a couple of days ago. I don't know if you checked it out. It looks pretty good. They were actually filming it when he passed away, but it looks like it's not just going to be one of those sugar coat documentaries or documentary series. So give that a whirl. Give it a whirl right here on Netflix. But boys can't wait. Big game three tonight. Loving the playoffs. I know you guys are too. So here we go, bro.

Speaker 2:
[149:55] We'll be back Monday, 11 a.m. Eastern. Thank you so much, everyone.

Speaker 4:
[149:58] Love you all.

Speaker 5:
[149:59] Love you, boys.