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Speaker 3:
[01:27] I'm doing good. Seth still has a little bit of cough. My sister-in-law has a full cough, which is surprising since Seth covered his face the most out of any of us. You barely saw his face the entire time.

Speaker 2:
[01:43] Is he a germaphobe, a hypochondriac?

Speaker 3:
[01:46] No.

Speaker 2:
[01:47] Okay. Just you.

Speaker 3:
[01:49] No. I think he just likes to keep himself.

Speaker 2:
[01:52] Sure. Okay. That's cool. We're going to get into it. Want to hear your review. We have a lot of news to cover. Hulu made a lot of announcements this week. Taylor and Dakota both posting to social. Lots to cover in the Huluverse. And obviously we must discuss Last Night Survivor. But first, a message from Colgate. This episode is presented by Colgate Optic White. Let's talk it factor. You see it on the red carpet. A smile that lights up a room. That wow. You know, there's actually some chemistry behind the charisma. Colgate Optic White Pro Series Toothpaste removes 15 years of deep set stains when you brush twice daily for two weeks. How? The clinically proven formula is powered by Colgate's hydrogen peroxide complex. It works at the molecular level to gently dissolve stains deep within the enamel where your brush can reach. It's proof that daily routine can be remarkable. That's the science of wow. Colgate Optic White. All right, Callie, you went. You're a major Bieber fan. I saw your social media. Honestly, not that much. I guess you guys were all trying to keep to yourself, not just Seth. How was it?

Speaker 3:
[03:03] There's no service.

Speaker 2:
[03:04] What was their review of Coachella?

Speaker 3:
[03:09] Bieber was unreal. So great. Weekend 2 was so much better than Weekend 1. So happy about that.

Speaker 2:
[03:16] Because he brought out Big Sean?

Speaker 3:
[03:19] I mean, yeah, Big Sean, SZA, the same.

Speaker 2:
[03:23] SZA is really cool. SZA is like, that's awesome.

Speaker 3:
[03:26] Yeah. That's the number one person I wanted. But I will say that Big Sean's songs are more nostalgic with him. Sure. I completely forgot about them.

Speaker 2:
[03:35] Me too.

Speaker 3:
[03:36] And he didn't do them at all Weekend 1. So that was really fun. And then I don't know the guy's name, but he brought out the same guy from Weekend 1, again Weekend 2. And then he had Billie Eilish on stage. She was like a very well-known, like hardcore Bieber fan. I missed that.

Speaker 2:
[03:56] I didn't realize she was there. Billie Eilish, she's like omnipresent in our world right now. The Billie Eilish boomerang idol, the Billie Eilish Justin Bieber fan.

Speaker 3:
[04:05] She went on stage to sing, he had her go on stage to sing One Less Lonely Girl.

Speaker 2:
[04:10] Oh, that's cool.

Speaker 3:
[04:12] And she was just like crying, like overwhelmed, crying. And she was supposed to sit on a chair apparently, and she tripped and like just didn't get up.

Speaker 2:
[04:24] I will say her singing One Less Lonely Girl, so it's like a cover, gives even more credence to the theory that like he's finding all these ways around having to pay for his own catalog, in my opinion.

Speaker 3:
[04:36] Yeah, I don't, I, so many people are like, that's not true, I'm just like, nobody knows. He's the only one that knows, or his team's the only one that knows. I'd be very curious to know. I'd like to know.

Speaker 2:
[04:46] Me too.

Speaker 3:
[04:48] But.

Speaker 2:
[04:49] I'm actually interested in as much Justin Bieber information as I can get. I find him very interesting as like an artifact of pop culture.

Speaker 3:
[04:58] I just feel like we've had him for so much of our lives. For him to still be going. Also, he really looked great.

Speaker 2:
[05:08] He does seem a lot happier than he has been previously.

Speaker 3:
[05:11] He looked great. His voice was like really, really good.

Speaker 2:
[05:17] Wow. Okay.

Speaker 3:
[05:18] Like I feel like better than I even knew he was capable of.

Speaker 2:
[05:21] I don't think of him as like a great singer. Like his vocals aren't the draw.

Speaker 3:
[05:26] His and his vocals sounded awesome. His face also looked really great.

Speaker 2:
[05:30] Yeah, he looks a lot better.

Speaker 3:
[05:32] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[05:32] By better, I mean healthier, just to be clear. I'm not trying to say like attractive or whatever.

Speaker 3:
[05:37] I knew what you meant, but he also looked very attractive. Like that's how good he looked. He looked very attractive.

Speaker 2:
[05:43] The shade has definitely his best look.

Speaker 3:
[05:45] I agree. Seeing him sing alongside his 14-year-old self with the hair and all that. Yeah, but also I was just like, it's crazy that I like that song so much at the time. It was like a 14-year-old just singing about love.

Speaker 2:
[06:04] 14-year-old's voice is actively changing and doesn't sound good, but it's just a good song.

Speaker 3:
[06:09] I don't know if I said this on this, I may have, but I think if I did, whatever. But Carter doesn't understand. She thinks his old songs are girls singing. I've had to show her. I'm like, look, it is Justin Bieber. She's like, yeah, but that's a girl singing. I'm like, no.

Speaker 2:
[06:30] Kids are the best.

Speaker 3:
[06:31] It's just really high because he was so young and now his voice has changed. Also, Weekend 2, it seemed there was like, I don't really know. I guess there was like less people. But for Justin and for Carol G, Carol G was wild how many people were there.

Speaker 2:
[06:54] She's really popular, really, really popular.

Speaker 3:
[06:56] I want to say there's more people than for Justin.

Speaker 2:
[07:00] I would believe that.

Speaker 3:
[07:01] The sections were packed for Carol G.

Speaker 2:
[07:06] I'm so out of touch with Carol G, but on Spotify, she has 51 million monthly listeners. That's a lot and Bieber has, let's see, how many.

Speaker 3:
[07:16] I have no idea what's normal. I would say we have 51 million listeners a month.

Speaker 2:
[07:21] We definitely do. Justin Bieber currently is 123, so I guess he's bigger, but still, I think she is very, very popular.

Speaker 3:
[07:29] I would also assume that Justin Bieber's age range is probably way wider.

Speaker 2:
[07:35] They're probably listening to Spotify more. The youth are just on TikTok with Carol G songs, right?

Speaker 3:
[07:40] Mm-hmm. I'll also say there was a good amount of kids.

Speaker 2:
[07:45] Cool.

Speaker 3:
[07:47] I don't get it.

Speaker 2:
[07:47] Like with their parents? I'm not like- It's like 12-year-olds?

Speaker 3:
[07:50] Yeah, I mean it. Like seven-year-olds, like five-year-olds.

Speaker 2:
[07:54] Out late for Carol G?

Speaker 3:
[07:56] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[07:57] Okay, here's the thing. Oh wow, this one Carol G song has 1.2 billion views. Amazing.

Speaker 3:
[08:03] People seem to know every word to every song. I did not know a single, I didn't know a single, like nothing. And I was vibing the whole time.

Speaker 2:
[08:14] It's really cool how Latin music is so popular without knowing what's being said. And also just without people like you and me. We're not part of this movement, and it doesn't need us to be really popular. And I think it's cool that it's becoming more mainstream in the US.

Speaker 3:
[08:31] Yeah, I mean I guess how many times do you love rap songs when you have no idea what's being said? It's more like just like the vibe.

Speaker 2:
[08:39] I don't know if you know this about me, but I literally know the lyrics to zero songs. Like I just like do not retain lyrics. It's all when music comes up for me, it's all melody. So I actually don't really.

Speaker 3:
[08:48] I definitely retain lyrics.

Speaker 2:
[08:49] I don't even love rap music that much because it is not as melodic as other kinds of music. And I can't listen to words. Like I don't know what it is, but my brain turns off. And so like I don't know the words to English songs. So I'm also talking in other words to songs in Spanish. Yeah, that's fine.

Speaker 3:
[09:06] I like knowing the words. So like for Bad Bunny, I literally look up the lyrics to try to sing along.

Speaker 2:
[09:13] I think a lot of people learn other languages that way. Like I have a friend who I know her dad learned English from like Frank Sinatra, which is pretty cool. Okay, this is what I wanted to say about kids at Coachella.

Speaker 3:
[09:25] Yeah, I try not to be judgmental, but having nothing to do with the environment or the content.

Speaker 2:
[09:32] Getting a seven-year-old or like anyone under 11 to do all that walking in and out, it seems awful. It's like if you're not like VIP and you're not like being-

Speaker 3:
[09:42] I would say 11 is still pretty high. Like these kids were definitely under 11.

Speaker 2:
[09:47] Yeah, like that's just like a lot as a parent. That's like a lot of work to get your kid in and out. You have to like drag them. Like are they bringing their scooters? That's not allowed.

Speaker 3:
[09:57] No.

Speaker 2:
[09:57] So unless you're VIP and you have the golf cart treatment, like that's like-

Speaker 3:
[10:01] But even with the golf cart treatment, you're walking- Okay. I would say in general, I like to come across very-

Speaker 2:
[10:11] Down to earth.

Speaker 3:
[10:13] Sure. I don't know. Whatever.

Speaker 2:
[10:15] Regular?

Speaker 3:
[10:16] I was with my family. Couldn't have been more VIP than what we had, the treatment that we had.

Speaker 2:
[10:22] I did note you were quite close to the stage for Justin Bieber.

Speaker 3:
[10:25] Yes. Every single performance, we were right there. Had nobody blocking my view. Truly could not have been closer. We walked so much. My body was very sore.

Speaker 2:
[10:39] A seven-year-old doing that? Can you imagine Carter doing that?

Speaker 3:
[10:43] No. There's no way. There's no way. Also, just because of the way that Coachella is set up, it's not easy to get a drink and any kind of drink. It doesn't have to be alcohol. It's all in the same area for VIP, not close. You have to walk out from all the stages. Even if you take a golf cart, you have to walk from where the golf carts are. It's just not an easy, breezy pull. That is with the best possible treatment. There was kids everywhere. There was kids in GA.

Speaker 2:
[11:21] Which is surprising.

Speaker 3:
[11:23] I can't even imagine the walking that that child had to do. But also at midnight, I don't know. The music is blasting. Blasting. It's so loud.

Speaker 2:
[11:35] It's so late. Also, imagine having to be on the clock parenting for that long, the whole day.

Speaker 3:
[11:42] Yeah. There's so much wind and dirt. It actively smells like weed everywhere you go. Right. And you can noticeably see other people on other things.

Speaker 2:
[11:53] Right.

Speaker 3:
[11:58] I don't get it.

Speaker 2:
[11:59] I don't get it either.

Speaker 3:
[12:00] I don't know. So for every other performance, that's how I felt. The Carol G performance, I don't know what her touring looks like or how often she's touring in the US. I think that was the only performance. It literally felt different and maybe it's like one of the first times we've had a headliner that's not singing in English, but I'm not sure. I would love to know that because it was like a very, very joyful performance.

Speaker 2:
[12:31] That's awesome. That's cool.

Speaker 3:
[12:33] And so that was the only one I was like, I guess, like, I think it's cool for a kid that is Spanish speaking to see that.

Speaker 2:
[12:41] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[12:41] You know what I mean?

Speaker 2:
[12:42] Yeah, definitely. That is cool. Also, in other cultures, like, kids are up much later. Like, bedtime is like an American obsession, which I am obviously a part of and I understand. But like a lot of other countries, like kids just are part of the festivities.

Speaker 3:
[12:59] They just go along with whatever the adults are doing.

Speaker 2:
[13:02] Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3:
[13:02] Because it's not going to slow an adult down. I get that. And it's not even like the late bedtime for me. It's all of it. It's the walking, it's the drums.

Speaker 2:
[13:11] For me, it would be the walking. That would be number one, honestly.

Speaker 3:
[13:14] It's like, God forbid my kid had to go to the bathroom. I'd be like, sorry.

Speaker 2:
[13:19] It's not like God forbid. It's like when they have to go to the bathroom, I'd be like, you're screwed.

Speaker 3:
[13:23] Yeah. So, yeah, I don't know. But there was a lot of kids and it was just kind of like, hmm, wouldn't be my first choice. But okay. Also, did you have to pay $800 to get the kid in?

Speaker 2:
[13:39] Right. That's crazy.

Speaker 3:
[13:41] Because that's like the minimum, like that's general admission.

Speaker 2:
[13:44] That's nuts.

Speaker 3:
[13:46] Also, I saw general admission going up to like $2,000.

Speaker 2:
[13:49] Because people wanted to see Bieber and Carol J so bad. Did you see Sabrina Carpenter? You missed it, right? Friday night. Right. I love her.

Speaker 3:
[13:56] We flipped a coin.

Speaker 2:
[13:57] That's cool. I think you made the right choice.

Speaker 3:
[14:01] Yeah. No, I don't regret it at all. We had a really great time. And honestly, we had too much fun at Phoenix. And I couldn't drink as much the next day because we drank way too much.

Speaker 2:
[14:11] So hard. What a hard life.

Speaker 3:
[14:14] Yeah. It was a... That was the other conclusion. How I feel. Still currently, I think I'm like almost 100%. It's Thursday now.

Speaker 2:
[14:25] I must say, yesterday on Wednesday, you texted me saying, I'm still decompressing, but...

Speaker 3:
[14:30] I felt horrible. I felt horrible yesterday. Tuesday was my worst day. Monday, I was traveling, so I feel like I was not like concentrating on how I felt. Tuesday, I was just like, I'm not sure if I can do that anymore.

Speaker 2:
[14:43] How did you get back? Did you get to go to LA to fly back to Charlotte?

Speaker 3:
[14:47] Yeah, we drove. Well, we didn't have to. There was flights from Palm Springs, but I hate connecting flights.

Speaker 2:
[14:51] Of course. Horrible. Yeah, horrible.

Speaker 3:
[14:54] So yeah, we drove back to Palm Springs and then flew to Charlotte.

Speaker 2:
[14:56] What's worse than getting off a flight and then having to get right back on another one? Or even having nothing? It's the worst. I avoided it at all costs. Terrible.

Speaker 3:
[15:05] I truly feel like I won't go.

Speaker 2:
[15:09] I agree. I agree. It's awful. There's just flying sucks.

Speaker 3:
[15:13] I can only remember connecting one time in the last year, and it's because I was going to a tiny place that I knew beforehand that I had to connect no matter what.

Speaker 2:
[15:23] Yeah, this is a no go for me. I have another parenting topic that I want to hit with you, but we can come back to it at the end. We can talk about some reality TV.

Speaker 3:
[15:34] Parenting on reality TV? No.

Speaker 2:
[15:36] Basically, last night, we can just talk about it now, and then we'll talk about the news and then Survivor. Last night, I was really fucking tired, but I was like, I just have some food that's going to go bad. Basically, I had a little bit of cottage cheese left, and I was like, what should I do with this? Somehow, in the middle of Survivor, I was like, fine, I'll just do it while I watch. I got up off the couch, and I made for this morning one of those viral recipes, like the cottage cheese pancakes that are just all over Instagram. I feel like I'm very susceptible to toddler food accounts, and I was just curious how much you feel you are susceptible to the ideas of crazy Instagram food accounts.

Speaker 3:
[16:20] For my kids?

Speaker 2:
[16:21] For yourself and for your kids?

Speaker 3:
[16:25] I think I've made two things, and they both were not hits with my kids, and I was just like, yeah, I'm not doing that anymore.

Speaker 2:
[16:32] Micah liked these pancakes. I did not. I was like, eh, but he actually really liked them.

Speaker 3:
[16:36] I like, well, he's also super young where you can kind of give him anything.

Speaker 2:
[16:40] Yeah, but he's really fickle. He actually will not eat anything. It's really, and also it's like, he's very fickle. There's no go-tos with him, except for Cheerios.

Speaker 3:
[16:50] That's annoying.

Speaker 2:
[16:51] Yes, it is. Thank you.

Speaker 3:
[16:54] I just think under one and a half maybe, they're willing to try anything. They might not like it.

Speaker 2:
[17:02] Not my guy. He picks it up, studies it.

Speaker 3:
[17:04] But they also don't eat that much because they're still getting milk, so it's different. Once they actually have to pick up food and eat it, I'm not wasting my time making something.

Speaker 2:
[17:14] If you're not going to like it.

Speaker 3:
[17:15] Then being like, yuck. I am very lucky that two of my three kids will pretty much eat whatever is on the table. Cruise. Cruise and Carter are down with whatever. Oh, interesting. They're two down. That's annoying also. Because anything I order for myself that most kids would not be into, they like all my tuna sashimi the other day.

Speaker 2:
[17:40] That sucks. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[17:40] Yeah. I'm like, tuna sashimi cruise?

Speaker 2:
[17:44] Like what?

Speaker 3:
[17:46] Also, it was sugar fish. And you know how you have to like, when you get it to go, you have to like make it yourself.

Speaker 2:
[17:51] Yeah, which I was just. They do a good job. It's too much work for me.

Speaker 3:
[17:56] They do a great job of packaging, but it's so much better in restaurant. But I was just being lazy. So I was like taking, I like just put the sauce on the side and I was dipping this sashimi in it and then eating it. And then he tried it and wanted it. And like, I was just annoyed he was eating it. So I.

Speaker 2:
[18:14] I would absolutely never share my tuna sashimi from sugar fish with literally anyone. It's probably my favorite thing on the planet to eat. It's so other than soup dumplings. It is so good.

Speaker 3:
[18:23] I like their hand grab roll. Like baked hand grab roll was my favorite there. He loved that too. And I tried to, I was annoyed that I was giving it to him and I was just like, this is my fucking lunch. Like you're eating my lunch. You've already had whatever that, you've probably had like six slices of pizza. And I like didn't dip it in the sauce one time and I like put it up for him to eat it. And he like put his lips to it and was like the sauce.

Speaker 2:
[18:54] Yeah, the sauce, he's right. The sauce is amazing.

Speaker 3:
[18:57] I was like, okay, this is.

Speaker 2:
[19:01] I love Cruz. Cruz stories are my absolute favorite. I like stories about all of your kids, but Cruz ones are my faves.

Speaker 3:
[19:08] He's a handful, but yeah, no, I don't like the TikTok because I just, no, I'm not putting that effort in for them not to like it.

Speaker 2:
[19:16] I'm not going to do it anymore. Thanks for the encouragement.

Speaker 3:
[19:19] Unless it's something that you think you would like yourself.

Speaker 2:
[19:23] The thing I was just, as you were talking, I was thinking like, is there anything I've learned about from Instagram that's made my life better? And I can't think of anything off the top of my head.

Speaker 3:
[19:30] Oh, there has to be. There has to be. Like, random tricks. Have you seen the different ways to get rid of bacon grease, stuff like that? I'm like, oh, that's really helpful. That's so much easier. There's stuff like that I definitely use.

Speaker 2:
[19:48] Put it in the garbage?

Speaker 3:
[19:51] Why do you have empty cans just laying around?

Speaker 2:
[19:53] Sometimes.

Speaker 3:
[19:55] I never do. But you can take a cup or put foil in the same ticket cup, press it down, and then pour it into the foil, ball it up, throw it away.

Speaker 2:
[20:06] Right. OK.

Speaker 3:
[20:07] There's a bunch of different things like that, that I'm like, oh, that makes things so much easier.

Speaker 2:
[20:13] All right, I'm going to think about it. I'll let you know. Let's get into some reality TV news. But first, another message from Colgate. This episode is brought to you by Colgate Optic White. You know that unexplainable it factor, that smile that lights up a room, that wow? Well, it turns out there's chemistry behind the charisma. Colgate Optic White Pro Series Toothpaste removes 15 years of deep set stains when you brush twice daily for two weeks. How? The clinically proven formula is powered by Colgate's Hydrium Peroxide Complex. It works at the molecular level to gently dissolve stains deep within the enamel where your brush can't reach. It's proof that daily routine can be remarkable. That's the science of well. Colgate Optic White.

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Speaker 3:
[21:35] One other thing before we go into reality TV.

Speaker 2:
[21:37] Okay. What is it?

Speaker 3:
[21:39] How horrible I feel. Do you think it's age or do you think it's kids? I asked Rachel Lindsay this because she also went to Coachella.

Speaker 2:
[21:51] Right.

Speaker 3:
[21:52] It was her birthday yesterday. Happy birthday, Rachel.

Speaker 2:
[21:56] I think it's age. I think it's age because there's the metabolizing of alcohol and I don't know, were you eating your healthiest? Probably not. Like all that together is.

Speaker 3:
[22:10] Yeah, it's hard to eat, so you eat a lot.

Speaker 2:
[22:13] Yeah, like that. And then just like it is a lot like being upright like that. And like just, you know, like standing. Yeah, like for that long is like hard, even if you're in great shape. And you were wearing cowboy boots. You weren't even like even like comfortable sneakers.

Speaker 3:
[22:30] I did wear comfortable sneakers one day, and then I wore cowboy boots one day, which my feet were killing me by the end of the night with the cowboy boots. But my feet were hurting with their comfortable shoes too. Like it's just so much walking and standing. But yeah, I was just thinking like it would be really nice to come home and just be able to like sleep in a little bit. It's like I landed at 11 p.m. Got home, not adjusted, so couldn't fall asleep that night. So fell asleep like 2.30 and then.

Speaker 2:
[23:01] Up at 6.30?

Speaker 3:
[23:03] Yeah, 6.30. I'm like, gotta get ready for school.

Speaker 2:
[23:05] Yeah, that sucks. Sucks to be you.

Speaker 3:
[23:08] And then your kids are like, I haven't seen you in years. And I'm like, it's been four days.

Speaker 2:
[23:14] It's nice to be loved. Just don't hate the love.

Speaker 3:
[23:16] Oh, for sure. And it's not going to be like that forever. But I was just, I was trying to ask Rachel, I was like, did you feel this bad?

Speaker 2:
[23:23] What'd she say?

Speaker 3:
[23:24] She said, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[23:25] Yeah, it's age.

Speaker 3:
[23:28] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[23:28] But also even if you're younger, you'd still feel bad. Because if you were younger, you probably would have done crazier drugs. Your hangover would have been worse.

Speaker 3:
[23:35] So you just think that?

Speaker 2:
[23:36] Coachella is like, you need a buffer of like three to four days to recover.

Speaker 3:
[23:39] A week?

Speaker 2:
[23:40] Yeah. Yeah. Basically.

Speaker 3:
[23:42] And I think it's a little bit better.

Speaker 2:
[23:44] Okay. Onward. Reality TV, here we go. Hulu had a big event this week.

Speaker 3:
[23:51] Get real.

Speaker 2:
[23:52] Get real. Also, that's the name of their new podcast, which I actually that's why I have Spotify open. I wanted to see if it launched yet.

Speaker 3:
[23:59] Oh, I didn't realize that was the name of the podcast.

Speaker 2:
[24:00] Yes, that was the name of their event as well. Here it is, the Hulu. Let's see who's hosting it.

Speaker 3:
[24:07] Amanda Hirsch.

Speaker 2:
[24:08] Oh, okay. Cool. All right. The first episode was Lisa Vanderpump and Joel Kim Booster. Interesting. I feel like this is going to hurt her actual podcast. Not skinny, but not fat. But what do I know?

Speaker 3:
[24:20] Will she be able to do both?

Speaker 2:
[24:23] I would guess so. Well, that's not the point of this segment. They announced a lot of news, a lot of news. I would like to begin with the state of the Mormon Wives universe. As our first news item, Taylor is off social media as of this morning. It's Thursday, April 23rd. Dakota also posts, she deleted her accounts. This is breaking news. I learned about it on the way in. Dakota posted that things have been hard. You had like three slides. I didn't read all of it. I'm going to be totally honest. They're both stepping away from social media. Secret Lives of Mormon Wives in Utah has resumed filming without the two of them. Though it is said they will show up at some point. Taylor commented on a post that said that this was the case, saying that wasn't the call that she got. Then she left social media. I don't even know what that means. But things are resuming. Several of the Utah gals were at this Hulu event in LA. So it's back on. Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is back on. Callie, any thoughts on the state of Taylor and Dakota?

Speaker 3:
[25:33] I just read Dakota's statement while you were talking.

Speaker 2:
[25:37] Any highlights you want to share?

Speaker 3:
[25:40] No, he's basically just saying I'm taking a step back from social media, from, he said the spotlight. So I think entertainment in general, which I think that means he's not going to be on the show.

Speaker 2:
[25:51] Not going to be on Unwell Winter Games season two.

Speaker 3:
[25:55] To focus on being the best father he can be. It's pretty much all it is.

Speaker 2:
[25:59] That's good. That's a good goal.

Speaker 3:
[26:02] Also great choice, I think.

Speaker 2:
[26:05] Especially for someone in recovery. I feel like this can't be healthy.

Speaker 3:
[26:09] Yeah, doesn't seem like Taylor feels the same way.

Speaker 2:
[26:11] No, I don't think so. I think Taylor still seems like she feels very wronged. And she's also searching for the path forward. I wish her the best.

Speaker 3:
[26:21] I wonder how much Taylor provides for people around her.

Speaker 2:
[26:25] Probably a lot. I think a lot.

Speaker 3:
[26:28] So I think it's a different pressure. For her...

Speaker 2:
[26:34] I don't know what Tate's income is like for her other two kids, but I bet for her mom and her sister, she's probably, you know, an important part of their economy.

Speaker 3:
[26:43] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I also wonder, like, does she get anything in divorce, spousal? Like, I have no idea. But I'm just wondering, like, how... how much she needs social media? Like, even if it's the best thing to take a step away?

Speaker 2:
[26:58] Yeah, we talked about that. Like, she... You know what she should do is have her sister Aspen run her accounts. Like, she should, like, maybe she can make the content, but doesn't post it herself and, like, doesn't scroll.

Speaker 3:
[27:09] Yeah, maybe something like that. Like, other than Amanda Boutella, however, I don't even know how to say her last name.

Speaker 2:
[27:18] I think it's Boutella.

Speaker 3:
[27:20] Boutella. There we go. I knew that didn't sound right. Other than Amanda, I've never heard anyone say that they need social media for their mental health. Like, most people think you do better without it. So...

Speaker 2:
[27:32] I've been enforcing when I'm on the subway, no phone time for myself, and I've just been reading. The second I get on the subway, my phone goes in my pocket. I don't check it until I get off.

Speaker 3:
[27:42] What are you on the subway for?

Speaker 2:
[27:44] Uh, my... I'm reading a great book. My commute feels too short. It's like 20 to 25 minutes. So it's not that long, which is sort of the point. It's like, I can survive 20 minutes. I can thrive for 20 minutes without my phone.

Speaker 3:
[27:57] I'd hope so, but yeah.

Speaker 2:
[27:58] You never know, Callie. I'm reading Real Americans by Rachel Kong. I really recommend it. I love it.

Speaker 3:
[28:04] I've seen that. I went to the Noble yesterday to pick up a book and I saw that book.

Speaker 2:
[28:09] It's really, I'm finding it to be a page turner. I'm really curious how things are going to go. It's really hitting the spot for me right now. Once again, Real Americans by Rachel Kong. K-H-O-N-G. Seek it out.

Speaker 3:
[28:22] I started Strangers.

Speaker 2:
[28:24] Oh, cool. I look forward to it. My other co-host Amanda is reading that too.

Speaker 3:
[28:28] I think a lot of people are reading it. That was also out on display.

Speaker 2:
[28:31] It's like the book at the moment. Yeah. My next book is going to be American Men, by Jordan Kahn, which I'm really excited about. It's like four. We talk so much about how we're out on men. And this is a book like Looking at the State of Masculinity through the Lives of Four Men in America right now. And so I'm really excited. And then I'm also planning to read the other two books that are so popular right now, Heart the Lover and The Correspondent. So that's my reading list. Okay. So other Secret Lives of Mormon Wives news as we all suspected, they have announced the Orange County spinoff. And here is the cast. I'm curious to know how many of these people you've heard of. Aspen Ovard.

Speaker 3:
[29:17] Never heard of her.

Speaker 2:
[29:18] Bobby Althoff.

Speaker 3:
[29:19] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[29:20] She had that, like, she has a podcast. She had that weird Drake thing happen a few years ago. Avery-

Speaker 3:
[29:25] Well, they made up recently, but yes.

Speaker 2:
[29:28] It was still a weird Drake thing that happened a few years ago.

Speaker 3:
[29:30] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[29:32] Avery Woods.

Speaker 3:
[29:33] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[29:34] How do you know her?

Speaker 3:
[29:36] Tick-tock.

Speaker 2:
[29:36] Oh, okay. Salome Andrea.

Speaker 3:
[29:40] Nope.

Speaker 2:
[29:42] McCall Duprone.

Speaker 3:
[29:44] Nope.

Speaker 2:
[29:45] McCall Duprone is Macy's sister.

Speaker 3:
[29:48] Oh.

Speaker 2:
[29:49] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[29:50] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[29:51] Her name honestly seems fake. Duprone is D-A-P-R-O-N, and I'm like, is this like a joke on, like, paper or something? I don't know. Chandler Higginson.

Speaker 3:
[30:02] No.

Speaker 2:
[30:03] Ashley Pease. Madison Bon Tempo.

Speaker 3:
[30:11] So two of the members, I thought one of the old OGs was going to be on it.

Speaker 2:
[30:15] Well, people thought Jen was going to be on it. She is not in this cast list. I wonder if there's like another LA show coming as well.

Speaker 3:
[30:23] Also, had no idea Bobby was Mormon.

Speaker 2:
[30:26] Me neither. It kind of doesn't surprise me, but I had no idea. Didn't she just recently get announced her divorce too?

Speaker 3:
[30:34] She is fully divorced. She's dating someone else. She's been in like a serious relationship with someone for a while.

Speaker 2:
[30:40] Well, also Aspen Ovard apparently is somewhat famous because she made waves. This I'm reading from Variety. She made waves after divorcing her husband of nearly nine years in 2024. Earlier this year, People Magazine wrote about her new relationship with her friend Brie Davis who was already married to another man. That's interesting.

Speaker 3:
[30:59] Oh, a girl?

Speaker 2:
[31:00] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[31:03] Yeah, no, I have no idea who Ashley Ovard is, but I assume most of these people, based on the people I do know, it seems like they're just going with people that are like pretty popular on social media. A lot of people don't like Avery Woods. A lot of people don't like Avery Woods. So that's an interesting choice. I think she's just said and done weird things on social media. I think, I don't know, maybe I'm giving her a little bit of the benefit of the doubt, but I feel like when you're trying to stay relevant and trying to stay popular, you might say or do things that are a little weird to try to get attention, especially if you're posting so much. I guess she's posted that she's in love with her son and not as much with her daughter. Like weird stuff like that.

Speaker 2:
[31:55] This is what Gemini says, allegations of favoritism. In separate discussions, she has faced criticism for her parenting comment with some viewers alleging she favored her son over her daughter.

Speaker 3:
[32:06] Is that the only thing?

Speaker 2:
[32:07] No.

Speaker 3:
[32:07] I feel like there's other stuff.

Speaker 2:
[32:08] Yes, there's other key aspects of controversy. Religious comments, criticized for making what we're described as obscene and disrespectful comments about Christianity, saying she had two c-sections, so her body is pristine. Sounds like she just goes for attention based on the information I have.

Speaker 3:
[32:25] Yeah. Which I think happens a lot when you're trying to stay relevant.

Speaker 2:
[32:32] So obviously Mormon Wives is Hulu's housewives and what they're building around. It seems like they'll be an LA show. I have a question for you. I was thinking about this in my commute this morning. How do you feel about Hulu building around particularly young moms, like in sort of glorifying this, like having several children when you're under 25? To me, it feels like a step back, but I'm also just like, am I being defensive because I'm an old mom?

Speaker 3:
[33:08] I don't mind the young mom thing. I feel like it is interesting to choose to focus specifically around Mormon moms because I don't think that's a normal experience.

Speaker 2:
[33:23] Yeah. It's not like relatable or even aspirational.

Speaker 3:
[33:26] I shouldn't say normal. I don't think it's an average experience.

Speaker 2:
[33:29] Not common, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[33:30] Yeah. So that I think is different because that to me is the biggest reason why there are, for this specific group of people, the reason why they're 25 and have three or four kids. It's something that's completely normal.

Speaker 2:
[33:49] Encouraged. Yeah, encouraged.

Speaker 3:
[33:54] So it's just not the same.

Speaker 2:
[33:58] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[33:58] So to that to me is more like, okay, that's interesting. Although I do find Mormonism fascinating just because it's a world that I have like no entrance point into other than reality TV.

Speaker 2:
[34:12] Sure. But we're not even seeing like, I think about Mormons, we're seeing last Mormons or former Mormons. I don't know. I think that's a good point. But the kind of like, this is already proliferating on social media, like Mormons are like, have like outsized popularity on TikTok. There's so many Mormon influencers. So I guess it's not different than what's happening there. It's just like bringing it to TV. But this kind of like, and it's not a problem necessarily with like Mormonism itself, except that a lot of what the religion seems to say, which is like, Heather Gay has talked about the emphasis on like perfectionism. And also, you know, women tend to be subjugated to like the men. Like it's just, it feels very retrograde. And so it's, I don't really, and not that like all reality TV is like, you know, so forward thinking. And a lot of it is, a lot of it is retrograde. But kind of doubling down on this and like this idea of like what a woman is in these shows, like, I don't love, am I, once again, am I part of the problem? Cause I will obviously be watching it and we'll be covering it, yes. But I was doing some introspective thinking about it this morning. So I don't know.

Speaker 3:
[35:34] Yeah, also these women are a little bit older.

Speaker 2:
[35:38] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[35:39] Than what I'm about to say, but like very similar to Teen Mom.

Speaker 2:
[35:45] Good point. I do think that Teen Mom though made them seem not like regular, but like miserable and also like life was hard. A lot of them were not rich. Many of these women are.

Speaker 3:
[35:59] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[36:00] And they made them seem like anomalous, not like this is like typical. But the reason it was a show was because it's like this is not normal.

Speaker 3:
[36:09] No, I agreed. But those women did become like super famous and like we still know some of them.

Speaker 2:
[36:15] I'm still talking about Farrah Abraham. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[36:18] So and I think that made people think like, oh, it's cool to be a Teen Mom. So yeah, I don't know. Also, I don't know what these women, I'd have to like look more into it. But from the women that we know on the Utah, Salt Lake City version of this. Actually, are they even in Salt Lake?

Speaker 2:
[36:38] No, they're like in Provo and like other parts of the US.

Speaker 3:
[36:41] In the Utah version of this. A lot of their relationships are weird.

Speaker 2:
[36:48] Like their marriages?

Speaker 3:
[36:49] Yeah, like the age gaps, the cheating, the abuse. So hopefully, they have cast it a little better in LA.

Speaker 2:
[37:04] I hope so. It's not in LA., it's Orange County.

Speaker 3:
[37:08] Southern California.

Speaker 2:
[37:10] I'm most excited about Macy's sister because I like Macy. So I'm curious about her. So, McCall.

Speaker 3:
[37:16] I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[37:18] McCall de Prone. I'll never forget this name. It's like so unique.

Speaker 3:
[37:25] So yeah, I don't know. We'll see. But I will be watching.

Speaker 2:
[37:27] Me too. I will be watching. Next show they announced, Stassi Schroeder is back July 29th. She gets her own show on Hulu. Are you excited about this?

Speaker 3:
[37:41] I personally have no interest.

Speaker 2:
[37:43] Will you watch?

Speaker 3:
[37:45] If you want me to.

Speaker 2:
[37:46] Wow. Wow. I'm surprised by this. So you have no interest in Stassi. Did you ever have an interest in Stassi?

Speaker 3:
[37:55] I mean, I liked her on Vanderpump Rules, but like outside of the show? No. I don't have a problem with her. I just don't care. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2:
[38:04] Yeah. She's still very popular. Obviously she's getting a show.

Speaker 3:
[38:06] I guess I didn't like her at one point.

Speaker 2:
[38:09] But the thing about Stassi, she's not very nice. Like she's not like a nice person. She's not.

Speaker 3:
[38:14] No, but that's fine. Like I'm fine with that. A little bit of that. You know what I mean? Like, sure, you know, oh my God, I'm blanking on her name and I really like her. From Rich Kids of Beverly Hills.

Speaker 2:
[38:28] Rich Dorothy Wang.

Speaker 3:
[38:30] No.

Speaker 2:
[38:30] Morgan Stewart.

Speaker 3:
[38:32] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[38:32] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[38:33] Morgan Stewart. She was someone who was on a reality show that I was always like, oh, she's not like nice. I wouldn't describe her as nice. Like, I don't know her in person, but like she's a pretty like blunt person, similar to Stassi. I really like her. I think she's funny. I think she dresses really well. I liked her on E. So like I kept up with her loosely after that show stopped.

Speaker 2:
[38:59] Sure.

Speaker 3:
[39:01] And I still do like I follow her on TikTok, whatever.

Speaker 2:
[39:05] She's married to Dr. Phil's son.

Speaker 3:
[39:07] Son, yeah. She would do a lot of promo, but I'm not sure for what. I'm not listening that well, obviously. She has to be promoting something.

Speaker 2:
[39:16] I think she has the Morgan Stewart show. I think she has like her own podcast. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[39:21] Okay. I was like, I don't think she's back on TV, but like if Hulu would have announced they're doing a show around her, I'd have been like, oh, I'll watch. Like I've always had a little bit of interest. Stassi? What's interesting?

Speaker 2:
[39:35] I don't know. She's popular. Like she, her podcast is very big. She has.

Speaker 3:
[39:40] Oh, I didn't even know she had a podcast.

Speaker 2:
[39:41] She's written two books. She's like, she's got a real following.

Speaker 3:
[39:45] I know her books did really well, right?

Speaker 2:
[39:46] Yeah, yeah. I think she's pivoted to like mom and fashion content and she's, she's got an audience. That is for sure.

Speaker 3:
[39:55] I think that would be something that I'd watch.

Speaker 2:
[39:59] I've never really liked Stassi that much either. I loved her on Vanderpump as like part of the group.

Speaker 3:
[40:04] Like a character.

Speaker 2:
[40:05] Yeah, exactly. But I never really cared about her individually. But I do think she's like good TV. So I plan to watch. I'm not going to. You don't have to. Like I said, I don't know exactly like that. I would like recommend her like again. She's not a nice person, but. She knows how to give a quote.

Speaker 3:
[40:27] Yeah, yeah, she's given some good quotes recently. That's what I mean. I don't dislike her. I'm just like, I don't really care about your life, but maybe I'll try it. I'll let you know if I like it. But I was just kind of like a whole show.

Speaker 2:
[40:39] Are you watching Vanderpump Villa?

Speaker 3:
[40:41] No.

Speaker 2:
[40:42] Me neither. And she's like on that. And I'm like, that's not a draw for me at all.

Speaker 3:
[40:46] No, and no interest. And I don't think she was good as a reunion host.

Speaker 2:
[40:52] No, she was terrible.

Speaker 3:
[40:54] That's like the last thing I have of her on TV in my mind. And I'm like, I don't know if I need to.

Speaker 2:
[40:59] That's what I really don't understand, which is like why Hulu has made such a big investment in Stassi. Like, what's backing that up? I guess she like, you know, her podcast is big, is that going to translate? Maybe. I don't know. Also, this show has been like a very long time in the coming, in the making. I think it was announced like well over a year ago.

Speaker 3:
[41:20] Yeah, like I remember hearing rumblings about this for the first Vanderpump Villa, right? Didn't they announce it kind of there?

Speaker 2:
[41:26] I think that at this event last year, they announced that Stassi had like stuff coming.

Speaker 3:
[41:32] Yeah, I feel like there was like a soft launch at some point.

Speaker 2:
[41:34] Yeah, it's just been like a really long time in the making. So I don't know. The other show that Hulu announced that I am excited about is called The Mob and it's hosted by Parker Posey. Do you know her?

Speaker 3:
[41:48] Yeah, of course.

Speaker 2:
[41:49] Okay. She's also on White Lotus.

Speaker 3:
[41:51] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[41:52] It's like a Trader's type show made by the same company that also Studio Lambert and they also make one of our favorite shows, Squid Game The Challenge and they also made The Circle. So I'm sure it'll be a good show and I'm really excited about it. It sounds great.

Speaker 3:
[42:10] Did you see Mike White's having, Mike White had everyone on Survivor Read Lines?

Speaker 2:
[42:15] Yeah, I did. I'm sure he won't be hiring Christian. Apparently, they still haven't spoken. So, but Christian got to be in season three, so it's fine.

Speaker 3:
[42:26] Who did? I was going to say someone did really well. Suri, of course, and someone else.

Speaker 2:
[42:30] Angelina? She was on season two.

Speaker 3:
[42:33] No, dang it. It was a guy. Oh, Q.

Speaker 2:
[42:36] Oh, obviously. He's a showman. A couple other shows they announced that I'm excited about. Million Dollar Nannies.

Speaker 3:
[42:48] Oh, I'm in.

Speaker 2:
[42:49] So in. All I need is the title.

Speaker 3:
[42:51] That's what I'm most excited about. I didn't see a picture. I didn't see anything. But someone wrote notes from the Be Real thing. And I saw that name and I was like, check, put me in there. If I'm invited to the premiere, I'm going.

Speaker 2:
[43:08] So good. Million Dollar Nannies. Yeah, send Callie to the premiere.

Speaker 3:
[43:11] I love nanny shit.

Speaker 2:
[43:14] Of course. It's great. It's like such a great window into people's lives.

Speaker 3:
[43:20] I, by the way, liked it before I had kids. Like, I will never forget. There was a show. I think I've talked about this before. And I think I talked about this with Rachel. And Rachel was like, I have no idea what you're talking about. There was a show that Justin Sylvester was on where he was.

Speaker 2:
[43:36] The ladies that are.

Speaker 3:
[43:39] Well, yeah, but that's not what he was at this point. He was in, he was a babysitter. It was like the babysitters of Beverly Hills. Beverly Hills babysitters. He was one of them randomly. And he babysat for this family. I think it was like Falks. Falks, you know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 2:
[43:55] Like David Falk, the agent?

Speaker 3:
[43:57] No, no, no, no, no. I think it seems Marshall. Marshall, is that a football player?

Speaker 2:
[44:01] Football player? Yeah, Marshall Falk. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[44:02] I'm pretty sure he'd be a babysitter for their family. And it was great. Watched it. It only lasted one season, of course. But I'm in. Million Dollar Nannies.

Speaker 2:
[44:13] I'm so excited. Check.

Speaker 3:
[44:16] Great idea. We're there.

Speaker 2:
[44:17] Why hasn't it happened already?

Speaker 3:
[44:19] Well, probably because most of them have NDAs. Most families probably won't let you do it.

Speaker 2:
[44:22] That's true. Great point. Yeah. Last show, Ring by Spring Break. Also interested.

Speaker 3:
[44:30] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[44:32] Ring, I don't know, but let's give it a shot.

Speaker 3:
[44:35] No, it is absolutely like a thing. Seth went to Liberty.

Speaker 2:
[44:39] Oh, right, for one year.

Speaker 3:
[44:42] Yeah, and it was absolutely a thing called ring. But it wasn't spring break. It was Ring by Spring. Like by in your freshman year, you were supposed to find someone and get proposed to before the year ends.

Speaker 2:
[44:55] I mean, this is hypocritical of me. I'm like, I'll give it a shot. And I'm like, I don't know about all these young mobs. But here I am like Ring by Spring. Let's do it.

Speaker 3:
[45:03] Well, it's not like, I don't know, push it out by spring.

Speaker 2:
[45:08] Yeah, but still, I mean.

Speaker 3:
[45:10] But yes, that's absolutely a thing. I wonder where it's going to be based. I would not be surprised if it was like around Liberty.

Speaker 2:
[45:16] Probably.

Speaker 3:
[45:17] Because Liberty is massive.

Speaker 2:
[45:19] That's so crazy.

Speaker 3:
[45:20] I think it's the biggest university in the United States, right?

Speaker 2:
[45:24] I'm looking it up right now. Student population. It is, oh my god, 140,000 students. More than that. It's crazy. Well, it's a for-profit university, isn't it?

Speaker 3:
[45:39] I have no idea.

Speaker 2:
[45:40] I think that was part of the Jerry Falwell expose.

Speaker 3:
[45:44] I mean, I watched the whole documentary. And every time Seth would walk in the room, I'd be like, are you okay? And he'd be like, why are you watching this? This is not what it was like. And I was like, okay.

Speaker 2:
[46:00] You did transfer. We noticed you transferred.

Speaker 3:
[46:04] Yeah, he said that, like when he was there, there was not any like political speakers. He said that he thinks that happened either the year after, like two years after he left. But he's like, one of his best friends graduated from there. And he was like, I do remember all of a sudden, he was like, there's people on our campus all the time.

Speaker 2:
[46:27] Sheesh.

Speaker 3:
[46:30] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[46:30] Okay. Well, ring by spring break, I'll give it a shot. All right, Callie, let's talk to her.

Speaker 3:
[46:38] You're not even going to announce the Kardashian show.

Speaker 2:
[46:41] Oh, what is it?

Speaker 3:
[46:44] That's how much Juliet does not like that family.

Speaker 2:
[46:46] They're off my radar. I found the pics of Kim Kardashian, Louis Hamilton in the beach and in the ocean. So weird. I'm just like, what are you guys doing? Like, I guess the two canceled races, the, you know, Formula One had to cancel two races because they were supposed to be in the Middle East and because of the war, they canceled them. I'm like, I guess Lewis is like, all right, let's monetize. We got two weeks off extra. Let's get to work.

Speaker 3:
[47:11] I have no comment. I have no idea what's happening.

Speaker 2:
[47:13] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[47:17] The show is called The Girls and it's Khloe's Inner Circle.

Speaker 2:
[47:24] Khloe's? Okay. That's cool.

Speaker 3:
[47:26] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[47:27] Of any of them, it's probably the one I'd be most interested in.

Speaker 3:
[47:30] I was going to say, don't you think Khloe's the most likable?

Speaker 2:
[47:32] For sure. I think also one of my favorite things about Khloe is how close she is with Rob and that has nothing to do with being on camera. So. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[47:40] Also she, yeah, well, this is part of the whole Rob of it all, but the amount she has dream.

Speaker 2:
[47:47] Yeah. It's like so sweet.

Speaker 3:
[47:50] Yeah. She's like a normal person. Even like the way the sisters will talk about her, they're like, well, you like to be with your kids every day.

Speaker 2:
[47:59] I know, as if that's crazy. Can you believe it?

Speaker 3:
[48:06] Yes. It seems like Chloe is like very hands on. And I would say from what we know, she seems to be the most down to earth.

Speaker 2:
[48:15] Yes, for sure.

Speaker 3:
[48:16] Yeah. I don't know if I'll watch it.

Speaker 2:
[48:18] I won't, but that's good for Chloe. Get that money. That's great.

Speaker 3:
[48:21] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[48:21] Cool. Go for it. Did you see any?

Speaker 3:
[48:23] Although Good American seems to be crushing.

Speaker 2:
[48:25] Good American is crushing and I'm happy for Chloe, I guess. I do think that the fact that she does so many things having nothing to do with the camera is great. Whereas anytime Kim has a new anything, person, product, I don't know. I don't have nice things to say about Kylie.

Speaker 3:
[48:42] Chloe dates people we don't even know about.

Speaker 2:
[48:44] Totally.

Speaker 3:
[48:47] Did you watch the Lamar Odom documentary?

Speaker 2:
[48:49] No.

Speaker 3:
[48:49] Did we talk about that on here?

Speaker 2:
[48:50] We did not. I haven't watched it. I find Lamar too sad. I can't engage and I feel bad for Chloe. The way that he does like exploit her name at this point is ridiculous. Good thing that I have a kid together.

Speaker 3:
[49:03] It was crazy.

Speaker 2:
[49:05] He's not okay. The saddest thing about Lamar Odom is that he lost a child to Sid's.

Speaker 3:
[49:12] I know. I never talked about it in the documentary.

Speaker 2:
[49:15] How do you live?

Speaker 3:
[49:17] Well, it seems like that's what, like, he kind of like that's started a lot of this.

Speaker 2:
[49:23] Yeah, I get it. I get it.

Speaker 3:
[49:27] And I don't know. You may know this. I don't know, like, scientifically if there's like an addiction gene. I just believe that there is one.

Speaker 2:
[49:36] I believe it is proven that addiction is hereditary. So I don't know if it's necessarily genetic, but it does. If there's like a history in your family, it is likely to be passed on.

Speaker 3:
[49:45] OK. Well, that's essentially what I was saying. I have some history in my family. So my dad was always psychotic about alcohol and drugs with us, like with his kids. And like, I didn't see my dad drink anything until I was like 25. And I was like, oh, that's how we're ending it? Like, there's no, and now we're doing better. But Khloe agreed to be in it, didn't get paid for it, and just like talked about what happened. And in it, Lamar basically said he married her for his career and thought that he could be relevant for a long time. And for like the lifestyle, never says thank you to her, even though she did so much for him.

Speaker 2:
[51:03] Didn't she go to Vegas when he overdosed and like save him?

Speaker 3:
[51:07] Yeah, went to Vegas, stayed in the hospital with him for months, put her life completely on hold. His dad, I guess, was there when she got there and was telling them to just like unplug the machine and that he was like next of kin, so he had like the right to do that. And she was like, we're still legally married, so I have the right to make decisions and we're not unplugging the machine. And I guess was like, what do you want to like leave us alone? And he said $100 and a pair of shoes and a hotel night stay in a hotel in Vegas. And she was like, fine. It's such a crazy thing. And she helped him through rehab, gave him like the best doctors, the best PT, everything, put him up in a house, I think, bottom house in LA, had around the clock nurses, chef, everything at his house to like help him become back normal. And he like couldn't talk, all these things. And then she said one day she like came to check on him. And she said that the smell of crack is like very distinct. And she's like, I don't know how to describe it, but like once you smell it once, you know what it is and like you will be able to smell it anywhere. So sad. And she said as she was walking up, she smelled it and was like, what the fuck? Like there's no way. Like how could he get crack? He can't talk. And he's just like with staff. And she said she like tiptoed up to his room when he was smoking crack at the end of his bed.

Speaker 2:
[52:38] Oh my God.

Speaker 3:
[52:40] And she was like, how is this possible? You can't talk. Like how could you have even gotten this? Come to find out he could fully talk. He was just pretending like he couldn't talk to her. So that she'd keep paying for the house, the chef and all the treatment. And he had a burner bone.

Speaker 2:
[52:56] And he had, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[52:58] And then it flashes to Lamar and he was like, isn't it crazy? Like what's really fucked up is that someone sold me that. Like they knew everything that was happening with me and they sold it to me. And I was like, that's not the fucked up part Lamar.

Speaker 2:
[53:09] Well, he's not wrong, but it's not the most fucked up part.

Speaker 3:
[53:12] Yeah. Like you were pretending like you couldn't talk.

Speaker 2:
[53:16] It's hard to believe he was in the NBA for as long as he was. He's a championship winner. It's hard to believe he could be that high function.

Speaker 3:
[53:23] In the NBA and successful for a pretty long time. But then she talks about how many drugs he was doing at the end of his career and in Dallas that he was just basically doing drugs all day every day.

Speaker 2:
[53:36] It's horrible. Kobe had a big part in keeping him on the straight and narrow, didn't he?

Speaker 3:
[53:41] It seems that way.

Speaker 2:
[53:42] Yeah. I don't know if I can give him all of that credit, but it is.

Speaker 3:
[53:45] I mean, it didn't last.

Speaker 2:
[53:46] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[53:47] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[53:47] Like while he was in LA. Well, good luck to Khloe. Happy she's got another show, I guess. And good for her for getting out of that relationship.

Speaker 3:
[53:58] Which, yeah, I was going to say, watching that documentary, I was just like, whoa. And then she on a podcast was like, yeah, I'd never seen that. I didn't get to see the documentary until it was over. And when I watched it back, I was like, wait, what?

Speaker 2:
[54:09] Yeah, it's crazy. I feel bad for her.

Speaker 3:
[54:13] Like you never said thank you. You're saying that you're with me just for.

Speaker 2:
[54:16] I don't believe that. I don't believe that.

Speaker 3:
[54:21] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[54:22] But to still say that's terrible. Okay, can we talk about Survivor? This is getting too dark.

Speaker 3:
[54:27] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[54:27] Let's go Happy.

Speaker 3:
[54:29] On a much, much, much lighter note, three's winning.

Speaker 2:
[54:34] Callie, I'm worried about Jonathan. I'm worried Jonathan's winning.

Speaker 3:
[54:40] No. He's getting a good at it.

Speaker 2:
[54:43] He's getting a good at it. He's making some good moves. He got them all to go with Christian.

Speaker 3:
[54:50] That was the right move, not just for him, but in general, it's the right move.

Speaker 2:
[54:54] I was really hoping it was going to be Emily. When I saw that scene of Tiff and Suri, and I was really hoping it was going to be.

Speaker 3:
[55:01] Yeah, but it just makes sense to get Christian why you can get him. Emily's not winning anything.

Speaker 2:
[55:06] My coworkers incept me with this Jonathan idea, and I was watching last night through this lens, and I was like, fuck. I hate him so much. I can't accept it, but he is playing a very good game. He's been on the right side of a lot of boats, and they have gone in the direction he's wanted. And last night when he was like, Camilla, D, and he was going through the people he wanted to get off, and then it was Christian, I was like, Is Jonathan going to win? We can't rule it out. I see your brain turning. You're thinking it through right now. I see it happening.

Speaker 3:
[55:46] No, no, no. Because last night there was a moment where I was like, there's no way, right? But I don't think any of them are scared of him, and that's the problem.

Speaker 2:
[55:54] Right. But I think he's going to have a lot of allies on the jury, because I think he's going to survive as his alliance gets dismantled. Like Joe, if Joe's given the choice to vote between Jonathan and Saree, I think he's voting for Jonathan.

Speaker 3:
[56:09] No, I don't think so. I think that that's a close one. But Chrissy, Coach, that's it.

Speaker 2:
[56:19] I don't know. We'll have to see who else gets eliminated. I mean, Dee is not voting for Jonathan.

Speaker 3:
[56:22] Well, everyone's going to get eliminated.

Speaker 2:
[56:24] Yeah, I know. But Aubrey, who do you think Aubrey's going to vote for? That's another one. Aubrey's like...

Speaker 3:
[56:30] She could vote for Saree.

Speaker 2:
[56:32] Aubrey's still around. I could see she's getting more and more screen time. I feel like as Aubrey's going to the final, she might be. She's not on anyone's radar. No one's afraid of her anymore because she doesn't have an idol. She doesn't really have an alliance.

Speaker 3:
[56:46] What is happening? How is Rizzo just floating under the radar right now?

Speaker 2:
[56:50] I don't know. It is kind of crazy. The people who are left, I'm sort of like Emily definitely not winning. Too chaotic, too messy.

Speaker 3:
[56:56] Yeah, I know. I think Emily might be out next.

Speaker 2:
[56:58] Tiff, we love, but I don't see her winning.

Speaker 3:
[57:02] No, me either.

Speaker 2:
[57:03] She's not getting that kind of edit. Joe, they're not painting as a savior. Kind of painting it was like in the middle, but really good at challenges. So he's not winning. So that leaves us with Devons, Aubrey, Suri, Rizzo, Jonathan and Ozzy. Devons, I don't think either. I think he's on too many people's radar and people are just sort of like, he's wild. He's too much like one of the middle players. So Devons is out. So again, now we have Jonathan, Aubrey, Rizzo, Ozzy and Suri is like the five that are in contention. I could really see any of those five making it to the final three.

Speaker 3:
[57:44] I could see Ozzy, Seree, Jonathan, Brazil. I guess Aubrey, I would say, is like, two. Those are all ones. She's a two to me.

Speaker 2:
[57:58] She's coming on a little strong right now, though. It's sort of like, oh, Aubrey.

Speaker 3:
[58:02] Well, her being like, I'm now ready to play.

Speaker 2:
[58:04] Yeah, she's-

Speaker 3:
[58:05] Blah, blah, whatever.

Speaker 2:
[58:06] Yeah, and her and Jon-

Speaker 3:
[58:06] The previews for next week-

Speaker 2:
[58:07] Her and Jonathan are gonna like-

Speaker 3:
[58:08] I don't know what Devon says.

Speaker 2:
[58:10] What did you say?

Speaker 3:
[58:11] I said the previews for next week is like Devon's Chaos Week. Right. So I'm like, what is he gonna say?

Speaker 2:
[58:17] Maybe I'll tell people it was a fake idol.

Speaker 3:
[58:21] I don't know because in the preview, it's like I'm voting for Riz. I think that was Jonathan. And then Riz says he's voting for Devon's, and someone else is voting for someone else. I was just like, oh God.

Speaker 2:
[58:34] And Mr. Beast arrives next week. No thanks.

Speaker 3:
[58:37] For the Mr. Beast aware advantage. How about the twist for Christian?

Speaker 2:
[58:46] Can we go back to the other twist before that, Jeff competing? It was kind of fun to see him struggle. I was like, oh God, he's so high in his own supply. I didn't ask for this. What an egomaniac. But I guess, and like, I guess he never tested out any of these challenges like ever before. Like, this is one they do all the time. And he never was like, oh, give it a shot. And then, so, A, learning that, that he doesn't-

Speaker 3:
[59:18] Well, it's hard because it's your body weight, right? So.

Speaker 2:
[59:20] Yeah, but even so, like, they test every, they have the Survivor Dream Team. They test every single challenge before the contestants do it. Like, he never was like, oh, I'll try it. So I guess not. And then seeing him, like, you know, only last seven and a half minutes when they had like the montage of all the ways that she's like giving contestants a really hard time. I was like, I'm back in. Love Jeff, love this show. Awesome stuff.

Speaker 3:
[59:47] Also, he was struggling after like two minutes.

Speaker 2:
[59:49] Yeah, he couldn't even talk. It was so, it was pretty amazing. Because it was so unflattering, I was like, okay, this is good. I like it.

Speaker 3:
[59:59] Aubrey lasting longer than him?

Speaker 2:
[60:01] That was awesome. Shout out to Aubrey.

Speaker 3:
[60:04] I was like, Jeff, come on. You are well rested, well fed. Like you gotta do better than Aubrey.

Speaker 2:
[60:15] I'm not positive it makes sense to have it be proportional to your body weight because if your arms are heavier, like that is still more that you have to hold up. You know what I mean? So it doesn't.

Speaker 3:
[60:27] Oh, no, you're not really holding them up though. I guess, but you're hanging on.

Speaker 2:
[60:34] Yeah, I understand. But like, I just doesn't totally make sense to me that that's how they do it. I understand some people are stronger and they're trying to account for that, but I don't know.

Speaker 3:
[60:47] I think it makes sense.

Speaker 2:
[60:48] Okay. I mean, they've done it a lot of times.

Speaker 3:
[60:51] Yeah. I don't know how else you could make it fair.

Speaker 2:
[60:54] Yeah, it's probably the closest you can get, but it doesn't completely track.

Speaker 3:
[60:58] Jonathan holding up 50 pounds is not the same for Stephanie to hold up 50 pounds.

Speaker 2:
[61:03] Sure. Yes. Agreed.

Speaker 3:
[61:06] It also really depends on how much weight you've dropped.

Speaker 2:
[61:09] Well, that's what they were saying. It should be based on their current weight versus when they entered the game, which I agree with.

Speaker 3:
[61:15] I like it that way though. I like it being how you entered the game.

Speaker 2:
[61:20] Yeah, because someone like Jonathan and someone like Joe, they're screwed the most by that because you lose the muscle.

Speaker 3:
[61:25] Well, clearly not, because Joe didn't sweat.

Speaker 2:
[61:28] Joe didn't seem like he was bothered at all. I was like, what kind of firefighter training does this man do so that he's able to just be there for hours?

Speaker 3:
[61:36] I was like, he probably does push-ups on his pinkies.

Speaker 2:
[61:39] I guess. It's crazy.

Speaker 3:
[61:41] I saw someone doing pull-ups. By the way, Miguel?

Speaker 2:
[61:45] Oh, my God. Crazy. The Miguel commercial is on all the time. Miguel is just around all the time.

Speaker 3:
[61:51] Really?

Speaker 2:
[61:51] What commercial?

Speaker 3:
[61:52] I've never seen it.

Speaker 2:
[61:53] Oh, my God. When did I first see it? Maybe during the Oscars? I'm going to pull it up.

Speaker 3:
[61:57] I don't watch commercials. I don't know what is happening. I think I just got bit by a mosquito.

Speaker 2:
[62:01] Oh, my God. Are you okay? What is going on over there? A mosquito? I was kind of joking. Verizon commercial. It's a Samsung and Verizon commercial.

Speaker 3:
[62:12] Yeah, I've never seen it. I don't see Miguel anywhere except for lifting weights.

Speaker 2:
[62:15] Oh, my God. Well, I'll send you this ad.

Speaker 3:
[62:18] I did, however, just see Ariana and Ciara in a commercial.

Speaker 2:
[62:26] Oh, for what?

Speaker 3:
[62:27] Sonic.

Speaker 2:
[62:29] Paige is in Devil's Reprada, I think.

Speaker 3:
[62:32] And Hannah.

Speaker 2:
[62:33] Oh, she's in it, too? Paige is, like, in the marketing materials, too. It's kind of wild. Okay, so then Christian chooses to go on the journey. People have gone on the journey the last few times, have gotten to miss being eliminated at Tribal, so everyone wanted to go.

Speaker 3:
[62:48] Thank God, because Ozzy almost went, and that would have been bad.

Speaker 2:
[62:52] I know. And so the twist was he had to do a puzzle, and then if he didn't, he had to vote for himself. I don't like this. I don't think you should, I don't think your vote should be determined like that. That sucks.

Speaker 3:
[63:04] Yeah, that sucks. And that you have to read it in front of everyone. I would have liked it if he had to do that, but didn't have to tell anyone. Right.

Speaker 2:
[63:11] So you had more of it because it really sways people out of the vote for Christian, because it's like, well, we got one.

Speaker 3:
[63:16] That's what I'm saying. Jonathan didn't have to do that much. Also, Jonathan is standing up and giving him the vote. His shot in the dark.

Speaker 2:
[63:24] What was that? Was that supposed to be like some kind of honor, valor? What the fuck was that?

Speaker 3:
[63:28] No, I feel like he was doing that to show the jury, like, look, another move of mine. It wasn't a move. He couldn't have used it. He already voted. So you just look dumb.

Speaker 2:
[63:37] Yeah, seriously.

Speaker 3:
[63:38] And and I'm hoping that that shows that Christian's gonna when he tries to say that at the final tribal, if he makes it there, that Christian can be like, yeah, I gave it to you because I had already used my vote.

Speaker 2:
[63:48] Right.

Speaker 3:
[63:49] Nothing.

Speaker 2:
[63:49] Right.

Speaker 3:
[63:50] And Jonathan can be like, oh, do you think Jonathan is smart?

Speaker 2:
[63:59] I've written him off and now I'm having to reassess. Also, like when Dee was like, well, he's not smart. I was like, yeah, she's right. But I'm like, is he smart? I don't know.

Speaker 3:
[64:07] I don't think he's dumb. Smart? No. Dumb? I think he's like, whatever. He's fine.

Speaker 2:
[64:15] If he wins, I might have a meltdown. I'm just going to let you know.

Speaker 3:
[64:18] I would be sad. I would be sad if he won.

Speaker 2:
[64:22] What's your evidence for Suri winning? I mean, obviously she is great, but.

Speaker 3:
[64:25] I just feel like the way they're editing her. Like.

Speaker 2:
[64:29] When she laid out how she literally has an alliance with everybody, it was sort of incredible.

Speaker 3:
[64:33] And she was just like laughing about it. I know. And then I feel like she played it perfectly this week. Like she wants Emily out. I thought the whole rice thing was really funny.

Speaker 2:
[64:43] Me too. That was the only time Suri has gotten bothered.

Speaker 3:
[64:46] The only time. Girl, shut the fuck up about the rice.

Speaker 2:
[64:50] I've been cooking rice since before you were glimmering in your mother's eye.

Speaker 3:
[64:55] Five cups of rice is a lot of rice.

Speaker 2:
[64:57] Yeah. Five dry cups. Five dry cups, yeah. But it was a lot of people. And they haven't eaten. Rizzo said he hadn't eaten in 18 days.

Speaker 3:
[65:06] Yeah. Yeah. And when you saw their portion sizes of the rice, I was like, they need the five cups.

Speaker 2:
[65:11] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[65:12] Also, they get a lot of rice. And I'm like, I don't know how many days are left.

Speaker 2:
[65:17] I think there are eight days left.

Speaker 3:
[65:20] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[65:21] Or 19 days. I'm only up with rice. Sorry. It's like a week.

Speaker 3:
[65:24] Left. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[65:29] 26 days is too short.

Speaker 3:
[65:30] I just think you're at it. She's getting a lot of issues.

Speaker 2:
[65:35] Yeah, she is.

Speaker 3:
[65:37] And she's like having fun. I thought she played it perfectly this week because she wants Emily out, but she let Tiffany like drive it. She's just, I just love her so much.

Speaker 2:
[65:49] I do too. One of the reasons is because she like is clearly a good person, but also has opinions. And that's like, that's the secret sauce for me. Like someone who's fundamentally has the right values, but also has a personality isn't just like, oh, they're nice.

Speaker 3:
[66:03] And yeah, also the fact that if someone describes you by one adjective, what would you want it to be?

Speaker 2:
[66:12] I feel like the right answer is kind. But, I think that I would say...

Speaker 3:
[66:22] I'm like, do you think people would say that though?

Speaker 2:
[66:24] No.

Speaker 3:
[66:24] Not that you're not. I think you are, but I don't think that would be a word.

Speaker 2:
[66:28] I don't think that's what they would lead with, no. I'm always worried that I'm not fun. I'm like, do people have fun with me? So I would like to be thought of as fun.

Speaker 3:
[66:38] So that's what you would like.

Speaker 2:
[66:40] I think people would say smart. I think that's probably what they would lead with.

Speaker 3:
[66:44] I'd say smart for you.

Speaker 2:
[66:47] What I say for you? I think you're very dynamic. I think it's hard to sum you up in one word.

Speaker 3:
[66:55] I would like. I mean, I would like.

Speaker 2:
[67:03] I would say unique. Is that a cop out? But I do think you are unique.

Speaker 3:
[67:08] No, that's fine. I would like. I would like funny. I would think people would say. I don't fucking know, actually.

Speaker 2:
[67:21] I think it's hard with you. You have like, you're very multifaceted.

Speaker 3:
[67:26] I think maybe someone would say like blunt or something.

Speaker 2:
[67:31] But like, you're not like a no filter person. Like you think about how you're coming off and like what you're saying.

Speaker 3:
[67:36] Yeah, I try my best. I think I know that I am blunt. So that is something that I consciously think about. Because there's definitely times I want to say stuff and I'm like, don't do that.

Speaker 2:
[67:50] I would say multi-talented for you.

Speaker 3:
[67:54] Thanks. I'll take that.

Speaker 2:
[67:56] You're welcome.

Speaker 3:
[67:59] Smart's a great adjective.

Speaker 2:
[68:01] I think you are smart. I just want to be clear.

Speaker 3:
[68:05] What did I say I'd like?

Speaker 2:
[68:08] Not blunt or something?

Speaker 3:
[68:09] I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[68:10] No, no, no.

Speaker 3:
[68:10] I think people would say blunt. I think I would like it funny. Funny.

Speaker 2:
[68:13] You said you wanted to be funny.

Speaker 3:
[68:14] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I think funny is great.

Speaker 2:
[68:18] Okay. Cool. What would you say this first three? How do you sum her up?

Speaker 3:
[68:23] Oh, gosh.

Speaker 2:
[68:25] It's hard.

Speaker 3:
[68:29] Three?

Speaker 2:
[68:31] I think ultimately her success is because she has a infinite amount of empathy. She is so empathic.

Speaker 3:
[68:39] So I was going to say that, but I don't know if that like really...

Speaker 2:
[68:43] It doesn't capture her essence, but that just explains her success.

Speaker 3:
[68:47] Yes, I completely I was going to say empathetic. And I was like, that makes it seem like she's really good at... Like when someone's going through something that she's able to like navigate it, which she does, I just feel like she can read people insanely well.

Speaker 2:
[69:01] Yes, and that's...

Speaker 3:
[69:02] And give them what they need.

Speaker 2:
[69:04] Yes. She's the ultimate people person. Like she just understands people in such an unique, singular way. It's unbelievable. She relates to everybody on their terms. Like she comes to where you... She meets you where you are and makes you comfortable.

Speaker 3:
[69:24] The moment with Joe, when he was like, oh my God, Rick, like when he was like trying to search for the idol and like was imitating him and so he was like cackling and she was like, do it again, Joe.

Speaker 2:
[69:35] That was so funny.

Speaker 3:
[69:37] The whole time I'm like, does she even want him to do it again? Or is she only doing that because she knows that Joe wants to do it again?

Speaker 2:
[69:42] I know.

Speaker 3:
[69:42] Like I think about everything she does, I'm like, is this her like reading it or is this her just being her? I can't tell.

Speaker 2:
[69:49] I think with Joe is more reading him, but I also think she likes most people. I think that's the other thing that you, someone like that, she doesn't need to like most people, but she does, because she has.

Speaker 3:
[70:01] She finds something in everyone, can make them, like she can find something to like, that makes her able to relate to them.

Speaker 2:
[70:12] Can you think of a better suited nurse than someone like Suri? Like that's exactly what you want in like, what your most vulnerable, scary moments.

Speaker 3:
[70:20] We're big nurse fans too over here.

Speaker 2:
[70:22] And I really believe in nurses. But still, I just, I think about her as Dana on The Pit. I'm just like, I would definitely rather have Suri than Dana from The Pit. But I like Dana a lot too.

Speaker 3:
[70:33] Dana's a little rough.

Speaker 2:
[70:33] She's coarse around, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[70:35] But I do like Dana. But Suri, man, I'm so happy that she didn't get out early.

Speaker 2:
[70:42] Me too.

Speaker 3:
[70:42] She's just an absolute pleasure to watch on the show.

Speaker 2:
[70:46] Even if she doesn't win, she's getting such an amazing edit that I feel like anyone who wasn't already aware of how special she is, it's like you will not be able to miss it. And it's like an important narrative. So I'm just happy that it's out there. And if she wins.

Speaker 3:
[71:02] Yeah, because she hasn't won. I think because she hasn't won, she's never in the conversation of like the greats. And I'm like, she's absolutely a great.

Speaker 2:
[71:11] I think that there is no way that we will walk away from season 50 without saying Suri is one of the greats. It'll either be one of the greats who finally won or the greatest who has never won. And that will be undeniable. And.

Speaker 3:
[71:25] Yeah, so she's coming out as, by the end of the season, she's coming out as either like a, I'm trying to think of like a top five player, but not number one.

Speaker 2:
[71:36] She's either gonna be Michael Jordan or Karl Malone.

Speaker 3:
[71:39] Michael Jordan's intense. I would say, oh God, those are horrible. I could not believe you just needed those two people.

Speaker 2:
[71:47] I'm sorry, because I know Karl Malone is an awful person, but he is like the greatest who never won, don't you think?

Speaker 3:
[71:54] I just can't compare Sarita to Karl Malone. I was going to say she's either like a Tim Duncan.

Speaker 2:
[72:00] OK.

Speaker 3:
[72:01] Or a Charles Barkley.

Speaker 2:
[72:04] OK, sure.

Speaker 3:
[72:05] I think Chuck is like beloved.

Speaker 2:
[72:08] Yes, personality.

Speaker 3:
[72:10] And like still doing it. Great personality. Or and still like very, very well liked and respected.

Speaker 2:
[72:20] Your examples are better. I will give you that.

Speaker 3:
[72:22] Or she's like a Tim Duncan, who's like been under the radar, but like one of the greatest of all time and has a championship.

Speaker 2:
[72:29] I believe he is three. Two?

Speaker 3:
[72:34] Three.

Speaker 2:
[72:35] I think he is three.

Speaker 3:
[72:35] I was going to say four.

Speaker 2:
[72:36] I think he is three.

Speaker 3:
[72:37] I'm going to have four.

Speaker 2:
[72:38] Does he? They won one without him, didn't he? How many championships?

Speaker 3:
[72:43] I thought he was on that team.

Speaker 2:
[72:45] Does Tim Duncan? You know what's so big? He is five. Wow.

Speaker 3:
[72:52] Five. There you go.

Speaker 2:
[72:53] I really underrated him. 99, 03, 05, 07, 14.

Speaker 3:
[72:57] Yeah. He was on the 14 team. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[73:02] Isn't it so sweet how the players love and support Pop?

Speaker 3:
[73:07] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[73:08] His San Antonio players. That's like, I would call it tragic, but it's not. He's had a great life and he's still surrounded by people he loves. So much success.

Speaker 3:
[73:16] Yeah, he's still around. He's still around the team.

Speaker 2:
[73:18] Yeah. Anyway, Sarif to Tim Duncan is a great comp if she wins. Love that.

Speaker 3:
[73:25] Thank you.

Speaker 2:
[73:26] That's much better than mine.

Speaker 3:
[73:29] Yes. Michael Jordan is the greatest of all time. So I was like, I don't know if people think she's the best ever to ever do it.

Speaker 2:
[73:37] I guess Boston Robb is probably. The conversation for greatest of all time is like, but it's a repeat winner. So, Sandra, Boston Robb. Sandra's more like Kobe to me.

Speaker 3:
[73:50] Parv.

Speaker 2:
[73:51] On their own. Parv, yeah. There aren't that many repeat winners.

Speaker 3:
[73:55] I think someone really big.

Speaker 2:
[73:59] The best survivor players of all time.

Speaker 3:
[74:02] It's a guy. I don't know why I'm blinking.

Speaker 2:
[74:05] Um, Tony.

Speaker 3:
[74:07] Oh, Tony. Yeah, that's who it was.

Speaker 2:
[74:10] His personality is just a killer for me. Not for me. I can't stand him.

Speaker 3:
[74:14] Not for me, but he's really good.

Speaker 2:
[74:16] You know who else I really love who I feel like? I just love Jeremy. I feel like I need Jeremy to win another one.

Speaker 3:
[74:23] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[74:23] Jeremy is such a spur.

Speaker 3:
[74:25] He should be on this.

Speaker 2:
[74:26] Jeremy is such a spurs player.

Speaker 3:
[74:29] For sure. He's David Robinson.

Speaker 2:
[74:31] Totally. Yeah. Okay, everybody. We'll be back on Monday. We are going to watch Million Dollar Secret on Netflix. So watch it with us and who knows what else? Oh, there's a show. It's a Calabasas show coming on Netflix in May that we're going to get into.

Speaker 3:
[74:52] Oh, interesting.

Speaker 2:
[74:53] Yeah. Thank you to our producer, Michael Szokoli, and we'll be back on Monday.