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Speaker 1:
[00:00] Rank these three, MJ, Kobe, LeBron.
Speaker 2:
[00:02] Why is there even a debate?
Speaker 3:
[00:03] When you talk about mentality, though, you gotta talk about Kobe.
Speaker 4:
[00:08] Kobe was my guy. Man, you couldn't tell me nothing.
Speaker 5:
[00:10] Well, Kobe would be going to the line to shoot two. MJ was going to shoot him one.
Speaker 6:
[00:15] I believe that if you are the blueprint, you are what everyone is trying to copy. And MJ was like, all of those things.
Speaker 7:
[00:23] I love Jordan for the way he always won.
Speaker 8:
[00:28] LeBron, in my opinion, is the greatest, phenomenal specimen of an athlete.
Speaker 1:
[00:34] And, Bron, we trust.
Speaker 9:
[00:39] The one and only Craig Hodges.
Speaker 1:
[00:40] You play with M and you coach with Phil and work with Kobe. What's the difference between those two, in your opinion?
Speaker 5:
[00:48] Right hand.
Speaker 1:
[00:49] Why?
Speaker 5:
[00:50] Because Kobe would be going to the line to shoot two. MJ was going to shoot him one. So, a lot of the knocks that Kobe had to shoot with two hands, when that knock would happen, MJ put that bad boy over here.
Speaker 10:
[01:08] You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 11:
[01:09] Oh, that's the difference, huh? Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 9:
[01:13] I didn't hear that.
Speaker 1:
[01:14] That's crazy, man.
Speaker 5:
[01:17] That to me is the only difference, is that gripper. That gripper, man, I'm telling you, I done seen this brother make, like he going to do a crossover, and you... Come on, man.
Speaker 9:
[01:32] That's a mitt right there, bro.
Speaker 5:
[01:34] Come on, only man, I'm telling you, him and Dr. J, them hands, come on, bro. You know what I'm saying? It's certain, and that's the way you say, like the creator knows who should have blood.
Speaker 9:
[01:45] Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 5:
[01:46] Can't question them. You know what I'm saying? This is what you're gonna need to do what you got in your mind that you're gonna do, and there it is, go for it. And then you have Kobe, MJ, that engine, Westbrook. You feel me? You got it. When you look at people like Ja Morant, who had that, when you be like, that's a different engine. You know what I'm saying? I can work, like I'm telling you, I was with MJ four and a half seasons or whatever. Never lost a suicide. Never.
Speaker 9:
[02:22] Never lost a suicide, that's crazy.
Speaker 5:
[02:24] Never.
Speaker 11:
[02:25] Close?
Speaker 5:
[02:26] No.
Speaker 11:
[02:28] Look at JJ, that's hard to believe, because some days you walk in the aisle, don't feel like running a suicide.
Speaker 5:
[02:32] And we would ask Phil how many we got after practice, and he would ask us how many we want, because we knew, he knew we was trying to get him. So it would be like this, all right, me and BJ, we gonna go out hard on him.
Speaker 1:
[02:50] Oh, y'all would team up on him.
Speaker 5:
[02:53] As soon as the whistle blow, as soon as the whistle blow, he damn near coming back at us.
Speaker 1:
[03:01] You feel me?
Speaker 5:
[03:02] On the real, and this ain't no job, and I'm running, I feel like I could run all day. You feel me? And I quick hands some speed, but man, it wasn't even fair on the real. And honestly, check this out, Kobe rehabbing, and we in Anaheim getting ready to play a pre-season game. Right? So going through our workout before the other team comes out, and then the other team get ready to come out. He's like, watch this hodge. Like what? He's like, watch this. He get on the sideline and start running like he use same boat, up and down the sideline where the other team coming out to shoot. They can't even look. They're looking at him. Because he's running like he eating the lines. You know what I'm saying? And that's the temperament that DJ and Kes can talk about, talk about.
Speaker 1:
[03:54] It's different.
Speaker 5:
[03:55] And you're crazy. So when we got with the Lakers, we go to Hawaii for our first training camp. We on the plane. He tapped me on the shoulder. Man, when we get in, I want to have lunch with you. Okay. Get in, go downstairs, we have lunch. It was all about, man, how did MJ make people better? What was he like? And then I had never seen him practice. Sign practice, it was like watching Michael.
Speaker 7:
[04:24] Whoa.
Speaker 1:
[04:27] The first in everything.
Speaker 5:
[04:28] Gassed me, gassed me. And mannerisms.
Speaker 1:
[04:32] Everything.
Speaker 5:
[04:33] I'm like, and then understanding how much he watched him growing up, but to be able to see it, put it in practice, and then go do it.
Speaker 12:
[04:50] Welcome to the show, Michael Irvin.
Speaker 1:
[04:52] Rank these three, MJ, Kobe, LeBron.
Speaker 13:
[04:54] This is a hell of a debate. Now, y'all get into this all the time, and people get into this all the time. And I think Jordan is a phenomenal, phenomenal player, and certainly all that he has got and he deserves. But when you look at LeBron and what LeBron has done, even Kobe, Kobe was a great player for long. But you look at LeBron and what he has done. LeBron has changed things in a big way. Michael, all Michael Jordan accomplished and all he's done and all he did, he couldn't get his own owner to extend them another year. Like, dude, come on, man. What are you doing here? What is that? LeBron came in a different way and has done a different thing. And now LeBron has some control.
Speaker 9:
[05:41] He changed the business of basketball by far.
Speaker 13:
[05:43] Right. It's not just dribbling his business acrimony. Oh, incredible.
Speaker 9:
[05:48] One of a kind.
Speaker 13:
[05:49] You got to give him some trouble. I remember they were arguing that he wouldn't, with him and Kobe was in the All-Star game, right? And Kobe wanted to go one on one with him and one on one. You know, we want the Afamel to show up and take over. Afamel, show me you got the Afamel. But that wasn't his game plan. He's like, I don't have to show up and take over. I really want to take over. So instead of beating down the top players like Afamel, he was like, no, I'm trying to partner with these guys so we can do bigger and better things. We can have more control. LeBron got way more control than Michael Jordan never had over this whole thing. Absolutely. So we started talking about GOAT. Boy, I mean, on the court, you can say, on the court, you can say Michael Jordan was the GOAT. Of the court, you're going to say LeBron James is the GOAT. It's on the court and of the court. And LeBron of the court because what he has done in basketball, he's the GOAT. But playing, I'll give it to Michael, no doubt.
Speaker 1:
[06:55] Welcome Steve Nash.
Speaker 9:
[06:56] You had to go up against Mike. Give me, let's talk about that. Give me experience or two.
Speaker 10:
[07:02] For me, he's the greatest player to ever play the game. And he was my hero as a kid, got a chance to play against him. You know, 96, 97, I came in the league. You know, that was around the time. Right in the midst. Right. I think the last dance was 97, 98. So my second year in the league. So I got to, I mean, you guys remember what it was. We didn't have so much access back then to every single thing on Instagram or YouTube, let alone watching games live. So, you know, it was, MJ was must-see TV. Like anytime he was on TV, like it was must-see.
Speaker 1:
[07:41] WGN.
Speaker 10:
[07:43] Yeah, I mean, exactly. He just had this charisma on top of all the gifts and skills and mentally, you know, how great he is. I mean, playing against him, the one thing that I think that he was unlike any other player I've ever played against is that there was a real fear playing against him. I've never seen the league be kind of fearful of a player or have that much reverence for a player. No matter who has come since then, that was a different feeling when you're playing Mike because you just knew, there was such a seriousness, competitiveness and fire in him. There was a fear with how that was going to manifest itself potentially on any given night. Where do you want to start and where do you want to finish with him? He was everything.
Speaker 1:
[08:36] I think we take because of social media stuff for granted. LeBron is one of our heroes now and he gives constant access. You see guys from other sports give constant access, but like you were saying, that wasn't the case back then. There was no behind the scenes, there was no going in the bull's locker room. You didn't see the bulls shoot around. You didn't see MJ off the court. And he is our one hero that we didn't really get to see that from. We got Rest In Peace, Kobe started showing that post career. LeBron has been amazing from the jump. But for us as former players and Mike being someone we idolized, obviously Mike and Pip and the Bulls, someone we idolized, it's special for us because we kind of always wanted to know what was it like behind the scenes because we know what it's really like behind the scenes. So what was it like behind the scenes for them? You know, so I think it's it's amazing.
Speaker 11:
[09:30] Welcome to the show, Candace Parker, MJ, Kobe, Brian Rankham.
Speaker 6:
[09:33] Oh, I got to rank them?
Speaker 9:
[09:35] Yeah.
Speaker 6:
[09:36] Okay. Well, I believe that if you are the blueprint, then you are what everyone is trying to copy. And I grew up in the Chicagoland and MJ was like all of those things. And so I would say MJ won, Kobe to, Bron three. And I know I'm going to get killed being out.
Speaker 9:
[09:58] I'm with you. That's mine too.
Speaker 1:
[10:00] You said the blueprint and the blueprint too. What are we talking about?
Speaker 9:
[10:02] That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6:
[10:03] What are we talking about? And then we have somebody listening, like let's put in perspective though, Bron is Karl Malone size doing the things that he does. And I just am enamored by how he has continued to reinvent his game, continued dominance, all of those things. Hats off respect to Bron. I just idolized the little footwork and the critique and all of that. And you could just tell Kobe was the blueprint, too, of blueprint. I mean, just from working with Kobe in the gym, he's like, are you a toe spinner or are you a heel spinner? Like nobody's ever asked me that before.
Speaker 1:
[10:47] He's a toe spinner.
Speaker 6:
[10:48] Yeah. And so it's just like, he's like, and Jordan would rock. Are you a rocker? Like, what are you? I'm like, nobody's ever asked me that before. So like, I'm a student in the game and I just, I geek over that shit.
Speaker 1:
[10:58] Yeah, he was trying to teach the twins that shit at 10 years old. You've got to spin on your toe this way. I'm like, oh, these motherfuckers just started dribbling.
Speaker 6:
[11:04] Yeah, they just jab step.
Speaker 1:
[11:05] He's like, no, spin on your toe.
Speaker 6:
[11:07] You a healer?
Speaker 1:
[11:08] Huh?
Speaker 6:
[11:08] You a healer?
Speaker 1:
[11:09] I didn't have none of that shit. I was a fowler.
Speaker 6:
[11:11] You were a hacker? Did he do the line?
Speaker 9:
[11:13] He had a nice spin.
Speaker 6:
[11:14] Did he do the line with the twins though, where you had to spin on the same line?
Speaker 1:
[11:18] Yeah, up top and then step around the cone and with your fade away.
Speaker 9:
[11:22] You was the spin king for me.
Speaker 1:
[11:24] I had a nice little spin move.
Speaker 6:
[11:26] Left shoulder? Left shoulder?
Speaker 1:
[11:27] Yep.
Speaker 6:
[11:27] Left shoulder.
Speaker 1:
[11:31] Welcome to the show, Cheryl Miller. Rank these three in order. Your order, MJ, Kobe, LeBron.
Speaker 9:
[11:37] Yeah, you gonna do that one.
Speaker 1:
[11:38] Come on now.
Speaker 11:
[11:39] You've been running all day.
Speaker 1:
[11:41] We let you slide on the other ones.
Speaker 8:
[11:42] MJ, Kobe, LeBron? No one knows where I live. That's a good time.
Speaker 11:
[11:56] Your brother do, though.
Speaker 8:
[11:57] But you guys can't get ahold of them, so I'm good. I got to go with MJ, LeBron and then Kobe.
Speaker 9:
[12:11] Ain't nothing wrong with that. Not at all. How can you go wrong with that?
Speaker 8:
[12:15] You can, because when you look at LeBron, LeBron, in my opinion, too, is the greatest phenomenal specimen of an athlete.
Speaker 9:
[12:28] Yeah, we have a saying.
Speaker 8:
[12:30] A physical, I don't know if we'll ever see a physical marvel of someone of his magnitude, and it's just not, it's his, you gotta take that and then longevity.
Speaker 1:
[12:46] Everything.
Speaker 8:
[12:48] Okay. LeBron, MJ, Kobe.
Speaker 1:
[12:53] I ain't mad at that. I ain't mad at that at all.
Speaker 8:
[12:56] Since you've talked to me, I've just got from longevity, and he is still balling.
Speaker 1:
[13:03] And not to mention all the, I mean, all the talking basketball, all the great shit he does off the court as well. Yeah.
Speaker 8:
[13:08] You know what? This is why these guys are great interviewers. Don't give me all these particulars afterwards. Oh, you can include this and include that. He's a social activist and all this kind of stuff. But you know what? If you put that, then it's clearly LeBron of what he does off the court. Things that, yeah. I, and then, okay. Now, if you're going to add activism to it, then it's going to be LeBron, Kobe, and then MJ. If you're going to throw that in there. Because Kobe has done so much, not only for your game, but for women's game and what his daughter G would have been.
Speaker 1:
[13:45] Absolutely.
Speaker 9:
[13:46] A lot of stuff all those guys do don't get highlighted.
Speaker 8:
[13:48] I agree. And that's what I love about certain athletes. You never know what their left hand is doing.
Speaker 9:
[13:56] Right.
Speaker 8:
[13:58] You may see this, but you never know what their left is. And I respect that. I respect players like that. Reggie's like that.
Speaker 9:
[14:03] There are many old folks' homes and hospitals that MJ didn't build in his mom's name. A lot of people don't talk about that either. You know what I mean? So they all do great things. So salute all three.
Speaker 8:
[14:13] So it's been one, two, three.
Speaker 9:
[14:16] They all better than us.
Speaker 8:
[14:17] We can go one, A, B, and C.
Speaker 1:
[14:18] Any order goes.
Speaker 8:
[14:19] One, A, B, and C. You can't go wrong. First, and they're still, they're still.
Speaker 1:
[14:23] Building.
Speaker 8:
[14:24] Yeah, building and contributing.
Speaker 1:
[14:29] Welcome to the show, Reggie Miller.
Speaker 14:
[14:30] You hear it all the time. Who's the GOAT, who's the greatest and all that between him and LeBron. And I try to stay away from that because I went against LeBron his first year. He was a rookie, my last year. So I don't have no point of reference, but I will say LeBron has the greatest career.
Speaker 11:
[14:50] I say it all the time.
Speaker 14:
[14:51] He has the greatest career.
Speaker 11:
[14:53] Right.
Speaker 14:
[14:54] But Mike is the best.
Speaker 9:
[14:56] Basketball player ever.
Speaker 14:
[14:58] But LeBron has the greatest career. I think why a lot of old heads want to dog out LeBron is because they were never as good as he is this late in their career. And they want to get on him for that. LeBron at 22 years in, at 41, 40, whatever he is, is about ready to be first or second team all NBA.
Speaker 1:
[15:24] 25, eight and eight.
Speaker 14:
[15:25] As old guys, they were never, call them all out.
Speaker 9:
[15:29] Some of them wasn't this good in their prime.
Speaker 14:
[15:32] That's the thing.
Speaker 9:
[15:33] They wasn't.
Speaker 14:
[15:34] And for him to be this good, this long, you've got to say he has the greatest career.
Speaker 9:
[15:41] By far.
Speaker 14:
[15:42] But is he the best? Greatest and best is two different things. And I think that's why old heads are getting it mixed up. And they don't want to give LeBron his due.
Speaker 9:
[15:51] Yeah, he deserves it.
Speaker 14:
[15:52] He deserves that. I mean, we all wish we could be playing like him in year 22.
Speaker 9:
[15:59] 50,000 points?
Speaker 1:
[16:00] In any year, period.
Speaker 14:
[16:02] I mean, he's about ready to be on one of the all-NBA teams at 40.
Speaker 9:
[16:07] 40.
Speaker 1:
[16:11] Vince Carter, man, welcome to the show.
Speaker 15:
[16:13] You watch that now. When people ask these questions about who's the greatest and blah, blah, blah, I'm like, what rules are we using? Because if you put some of the players and stars of today in that era with hand checking and the physicality and what is considered a flagrant now.
Speaker 9:
[16:32] I don't care how good they is right now.
Speaker 15:
[16:33] It's a whole different ball game, bro.
Speaker 9:
[16:36] When somebody holding all your shorts the whole way to the basket. And it's legal.
Speaker 15:
[16:39] And it's legal. When you run through the paint and you can get bumped, it's different. And that's my argument with people. It's like, it ain't no disrespect to anybody because they're all great. And you're going to argue back and forth and everybody's going to have their opinion. But I'm saying, what rules are we using? Because when you say, if you say, we're using today's rules, okay, well, then take Michael Jordan, who's battered and bruised and getting fucked up every time he was running around off a screen through the paint and put them in the rules today. Then what you can't touch it.
Speaker 1:
[17:11] Average of 45.
Speaker 15:
[17:13] And that's my argument. It's no disrespect to any of these guys.
Speaker 9:
[17:16] It was average of 30 back then, though.
Speaker 15:
[17:18] That's my point. Whatever you say, you're going to ruffle feathers, and that's cool. But I got the opportunity to play against Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant and LeBron James. So I got to see all of them in their element. Not obviously I didn't play against Prime Mike, but Mike was pretty damn good at $4. He was still good then. That man scored 50 points at $4.
Speaker 1:
[17:36] Where do you put those three? You got a chance to play against all those three from your opinion. Where do you put Mike, Kobe and MJ?
Speaker 15:
[17:43] I got to go with MJ. See, it's hard for me to pick current players and put them against the past because I'm still playing one and I'm never going to give them that advantage. That's just what it is until I'm done. But two, it's just what it is. I mean, MJ, okay. All right, I'm going to break it down like this. How many times MJ went to the finals? Please, anybody.
Speaker 9:
[18:05] Six times and one every time.
Speaker 15:
[18:07] Okay, so he's undefeated, so he don't know what it's like to lose in the finals. He can say undefeated.
Speaker 9:
[18:11] Very few can say that.
Speaker 15:
[18:12] That's number one right there. But at the same time, I have to give LeBron his props. That man went to the NBA finals eight straight, nine times, correct?
Speaker 1:
[18:19] Incredible. That's crazy.
Speaker 15:
[18:21] It is what it is. So I say this, and when you go that many times, you're going to lose. That's the reality. You're going to lose. That's just how it goes. And we're in a world where numbers map. And with that being said, look at his winning record. How many times did Kobe go?
Speaker 1:
[18:41] Six or seven.
Speaker 15:
[18:42] Six or seven.
Speaker 9:
[18:43] Six or seven.
Speaker 1:
[18:44] Yeah, and he got five of the things.
Speaker 9:
[18:46] Five or two.
Speaker 15:
[18:47] Look, people always talk about their winning percentage. Well, that's the time to talk about winning percentages. And that's why I say that. But it depends on what you're talking about. One of the greatest athletes to play this game, LeBron James.
Speaker 9:
[19:02] See, I can have that conversation with you. I can have that conversation with you because you, the future Hall of Famer, you can play the game a long time. And we had a lot of battles. We've been in the game. But when it's people that really don't understand the game, I just leave it at, they're all on Goat Island and none of us is invited. I'm gonna leave it at that. The GOAT, the best rapper alive, Tunchie Lee is in the building. Welcome to All The Smoke, bro. MJ, Kobe, Braun, rank them.
Speaker 7:
[19:25] Uh-oh, MJ, Kobe, Braun, rank them.
Speaker 11:
[19:36] Yeah, come on, we're the two.
Speaker 7:
[19:39] Mm-hmm.
Speaker 11:
[19:39] One?
Speaker 7:
[19:40] Yeah. Mike and Kobe.
Speaker 1:
[19:48] What was Simba? Simba was Bron, Kobe, Mike, right? Oh, AI, that's right.
Speaker 9:
[19:54] That's right, AI.
Speaker 1:
[19:55] Yeah, that AI. Bron, talk about his greatness. I mean, you're someone who's been in this game 25 plus years, he's in it 20 years.
Speaker 9:
[20:04] Yeah, he had a relationship with Kobe and Bron.
Speaker 1:
[20:06] Right, what is, I like that. What makes Bron so special in your opinion? What makes Kobe so special in your opinion?
Speaker 7:
[20:14] Bron, I don't know Bron like personally. So, my answer for Bron would be from a far, watching from a far. Bron, and it's on the court. Bron, you got to remind yourself that, I mean, I know for a fact I love Jordan for the way he fuckin always won. As a kid, you don't know too much about the ends and outs and all the other shit that we love now in the game, that I'm old enough to care about. So, I just, who won? That's my favorite player, he better win. He always fuckin win, that's all I know. You know what I mean? So, I know I got old enough to know how hard it is to fuckin do it back to back to back to back, you know what I mean? So, that's where he gains his respect with me, you know what I mean, start getting his respect with me to where he's the greatest, you know what I mean? So, I noticed that, okay, Brian done that shit. It's very hard to do. It's like, damn, that Brian done that shit with three teams. And that's right there, that's when I was like, regardless, he ain't got six. I was like, but damn, he done it with three different teams. And on one of those teams, half he was, did he play part two, I mean, role two?
Speaker 9:
[21:32] He still can get six though, that's the scary part.
Speaker 7:
[21:34] Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 9:
[21:37] That's crazy.
Speaker 7:
[21:38] Yeah, and so that right there is what tipped him over the Jordan scale for me, because you already know I was Jordan, couldn't even have that conversation with me, it wasn't even a conversation, until I had to really think, like, you know what? Slim's still in this shit.
Speaker 1:
[21:54] 20 years strong.
Speaker 7:
[21:55] You know what I mean, I'm like, Slim is fucking amazing, he's been amazing every year, every cent, like, he ain't never like, yeah, like, when they be saying, you know, like, you need to retire on top, you know what I'm saying? That's a cliche, you need to retire on top, to be anyone, they be like, you need to retire, I love to retire on top, it's the best way to go. Like, that, Brian don't even know what the middle field like, you know what I'm talking about? I think that's all he ever been. So that right there is just amazing, you know what I mean? His longevity and whatever he did doing to his body or whatever, if that, he must be praying a million times, that, he's protected, you know what I mean? And I respect it.
Speaker 1:
[22:35] And Brian, we trust.
Speaker 7:
[22:37] Yeah, I respect it, I respect, that's why he tipped the meter from you, because he's doing, and then off the court, you can't even, come on, come on. Yeah, that right there, that's-
Speaker 1:
[22:49] We ain't seen nothing like that from a superstar.
Speaker 7:
[22:51] Like, you know, Brian named and snuck in to my rents, and just what I mean by that, like when I'm having a conversation with my bros or whatever, and my artists or whatever, and I want to talk about a with money, money, you know what I mean? It used to be J, it still is. And I'm like, J, you know J, I'm trying to get to what? And I said, shit, Brian, I never know what it is. Brian had snuck in to one of them, kind of what it caught me off guard. And I'm like, you know them, Brian? I'm like, oh shit, Brian, they made him. All right, boy. You know what I mean? That's amazing.
Speaker 1:
[23:24] And brought the team with him.
Speaker 7:
[23:25] Yeah, and then the school shit and all that shit. Come on, man. But you can really care about it to where you still, you know what I mean? Don't do nothing you ain't genuine. Because I believe when you get money like that, you don't do nothing you ain't genuine about. I'm too risk to give a fuck about some shit that y'all asking me to do. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[23:46] Welcome to the show, man. Vic Mensa. Rank these three. MJ, Kobe, LeBron. You're a little younger too, so I'm interested in hearing your opinion.
Speaker 12:
[23:58] I'm from Chicago, so I'm going to Jordan.
Speaker 1:
[24:00] Okay.
Speaker 9:
[24:01] Well, you are right. You are right.
Speaker 12:
[24:03] No, you can't. I mean, I'm honestly going to Jordan and Kobe, LeBron. You know what I mean?
Speaker 9:
[24:08] There you go. There you go. Yeah. There you go. That's no disrespect. You're nobody, dog.
Speaker 12:
[24:15] I'm not the deepest basketball fan, but I have enormous respect for LeBron's ability. I mean, as a technical player, he could fuck around and be the greatest, but I think it's something about the Kobe mindset. The mindset and I think the era of like one goddamn team, it's like, it's hard to beat that, you know?
Speaker 9:
[24:40] It's going to be hard to beat LeBron's career, but it's just going to be hard to beat a better player.
Speaker 12:
[24:43] No, LeBron's, wow, he's the illest. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 9:
[24:46] You can't beat LeBron's career, but you've never seen a better player than Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1:
[24:49] But also just thinking about the fact, to me, in any order of those three, I'm good with.
Speaker 9:
[24:54] I was better than us.
Speaker 1:
[24:55] You're talking about those, to me, those are the three greatest players.
Speaker 11:
[24:58] They all bust our ass too.
Speaker 12:
[25:01] Did y'all play all three of them?
Speaker 9:
[25:02] I played against MJ.
Speaker 1:
[25:03] I didn't play MJ, I played the last two.
Speaker 11:
[25:05] I played against all three of them.
Speaker 1:
[25:06] I didn't.
Speaker 12:
[25:06] Who then, who was the most problem?
Speaker 9:
[25:09] Who gave you the most problems? I'll say this, when I played against MJ, when you play against MJ, you in awe, is this real? Like am I, I'm really playing against this, like this, you in awe. When you play against Kobe, it's a fear. You know, it's like, man, he's really trying to embarrass you. You know what I'm saying? When you play against Braun, it's just like, there's nothing you can do. Okay? You know what I'm saying? It's like, it's like, it's like, who, is this man real? Like, you're staying next to him.
Speaker 1:
[25:39] But especially if he hitting his jumper too.
Speaker 9:
[25:41] That's what I'm saying, like, there's nothing you can do, bro. He bigger than you, he faster than you, he stronger than you, everything, bro. So that's how I explain it. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:
[25:48] You scared of Kobe. The only thing I had better than Braun was here.
Speaker 9:
[25:51] You were in awe of Jordan.
Speaker 1:
[25:52] You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 9:
[25:53] So you can dig that, right? You were in awe of Jordan, you scared of Kobe, and you just like hopeless with Braun. Yeah, you hopeless.
Speaker 12:
[25:59] That made me think about how a lot of time when people go fight Canelo, not to say Canelo is Jordan, but like I watch people like fight so scared against him. That's why like Crawford was able to come in and do his thing because he wasn't scared. But a lot of time you see when people come in there with him, man, they so caught up on who he is.
Speaker 1:
[26:21] Good call. My brother Quavo, MJ, Kobe, Braun, rank them.
Speaker 16:
[26:30] Oh shit, got to do Braun. Braun first.
Speaker 1:
[26:34] How old are you?
Speaker 16:
[26:36] 34.
Speaker 11:
[26:37] That answer totally. I like to see you.
Speaker 16:
[26:40] Braun first.
Speaker 11:
[26:43] Just a heavy second.
Speaker 16:
[26:44] I go Kobe second.
Speaker 11:
[26:46] Ain't nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 16:
[26:47] I go Kobe second. He second on my list, too. And MJ third, only because 96, I was born in 91. You know how I didn't understand. Yeah, you ain't see that. But when I watch the clips, I understand why y'all call him. It was the only skilled guy that was doing everything. But if you put him a bunch of whole, like if everybody, I don't think he'd do the same thing.
Speaker 9:
[27:07] You put Jordan in the league now, he's gonna have 45.
Speaker 16:
[27:09] I don't think so.
Speaker 9:
[27:10] Yeah, he was.
Speaker 16:
[27:11] I don't think so. Everybody do the same. They all eat. You got shade, like all of them.
Speaker 9:
[27:16] The rules.
Speaker 1:
[27:17] Yeah, but you can't touch MJ.
Speaker 16:
[27:18] Oh, you can't touch him. Nah, he was super athletic. You imagine you can't touch MJ. He fought through all his points. But I never, I'm sorry, Black, number two. I don't kill him, Black. Don't kill me, Black. Number two, I go LeBron first, Black second, and then Kobe third. Long live Kobe, man.
Speaker 17:
[27:38] Rest in peace, the homie.
Speaker 9:
[27:41] Uncle Shea Shea, Shannon Sharp, man.
Speaker 4:
[27:43] Bad, thanks for having me on. We got to get out this notion. Stax, if I say I like apples and oranges, you can't say, oh, you hate bananas and grapes.
Speaker 1:
[27:51] Right, right. No, you can't show love, you got to hate the other. You can love both.
Speaker 4:
[27:55] I said, why just care? I like apples and oranges. I didn't say anything about it. That don't mean I just like grapes, I hate grapes.
Speaker 9:
[28:01] And they do that with Kobe and Joe and them going all the time.
Speaker 4:
[28:04] Yes, yes. There's enough greatness. And just because I choose one or the other doesn't mean I like it. Okay, if I say LeBron was better than Kobe, that doesn't mean I dislike Kobe. But here's something people don't really know. I used to cape for Kobe harder than what I cape for LeBron.
Speaker 1:
[28:23] Didn't know that.
Speaker 15:
[28:24] You're finally admitting it.
Speaker 9:
[28:25] You're finally admitting it on the show.
Speaker 4:
[28:28] What?
Speaker 9:
[28:28] That you used to go harder for Kobe.
Speaker 4:
[28:30] I did.
Speaker 9:
[28:31] Thank you. Thank you.
Speaker 4:
[28:32] People that nobody knew that. My friend was telling the guy that cuts my hair, he said, here's a funny thing. And nobody was gonna ever believe this. He went harder for Kobe than he ever did for LeBron. Kobe was my guy. Kobe was my, man, you couldn't tell me nothing. So this is how it was. I had Kobe. Kobe was my guy. He liked LeBron. So I said, okay, Kobe, so we got Kobe, I got Kobe, you got LeBron. We can never change players. You gotta stay with Kobe forever, I gotta stay with Kobe forever, you gotta stay with LeBron. He from DC. He know about this kid named Kevin Durant. So he want KD.
Speaker 11:
[29:18] He want KD now.
Speaker 4:
[29:19] I said, I'll tell you what, I'll make you a deal.
Speaker 15:
[29:21] Let me get that K.
Speaker 4:
[29:21] You get me get LeBron.
Speaker 11:
[29:23] Go James.
Speaker 15:
[29:24] I'm a trade, I'm a trade.
Speaker 4:
[29:29] When KD came to the NBA, I got LeBron, he took KD. So now I got Kobe and I got LeBron.
Speaker 9:
[29:37] So y'all doing y'all own little barbershop trade.
Speaker 1:
[29:39] Can't lose. Welcome to the show Ryan Cougar, man. MJ, Kobe, Bron, what's your order?
Speaker 18:
[29:47] Me?
Speaker 1:
[29:48] Yeah, MJ, Kobe, Bron.
Speaker 18:
[29:49] Am I taking bias out of it?
Speaker 1:
[29:51] Take out or put up whatever the fuck you want to.
Speaker 18:
[29:53] I mean, look, bro, what am I ranking? Like, what am I ranking?
Speaker 1:
[29:57] The greatest, in your opinion.
Speaker 18:
[29:58] Bron, I'll tell you why. Cause he did it with social media and it's just the devil, bro. Like, it's just the devil. Like cameras everywhere and him being on the cover of Sports Illustrated when he was a teenager, bro. Like Jordan had to deal with that. Kobe had to deal with that too, but it wasn't as advanced as it is now. For him to have navigated it and none of them had to play Steph, bro. Like, you know, the closest MJ had to Steph was Reggie. You know what I'm saying? The closest Kobe had to deal with Steph was Ray. You know what I'm saying? Like, the fact that Bron got four rings in a super team era. You know what I'm saying? When Cass is clicking up, you know what I mean? And even though he participated in that, you know what I'm saying? But still, in that Steph era, that three point shot era, you know what I mean? Yeah, changed the game. Like, the fact that he was able to, and also be the star that he is with all of this, with all of the mindfuck that is the internet, you know what I'm saying? Mike, we just saw Mike when he was playing, you know what I'm saying? That was it. He could go be who he was off camera, and you know what I'm saying? So I got, you know, it pains me to say that, bro, because I love Mike, and I saw the second three people, Mike. I didn't see the first three people, Mike. I wasn't for my time. That's just crazy dominant. You know what I'm saying? But I caught him like pulse retiring me, basically. But in terms of like, who's a better player? You know what I'm saying? Like that's impossible to say. Also, it's like different body types. You know what I mean? Like, like, like, Brown is an unfair type of specimen. You guarded, you guarded two of the two of the three. So like, you could, you could tell me who was more, who's more difficult to guard.
Speaker 1:
[32:03] Difficult for me to guard was, I mean, don't get me wrong. Brown is great, but difficult for me to guard is Kobe. Cause it's more reaction to your mistakes. Brown is fast, strong. And if you're there, it don't matter. He can go through you or over you. But Kobe was more like attacking a foot, attacking a hand, attacking an angle.
Speaker 18:
[32:18] Tactician.
Speaker 1:
[32:18] And then once, if you caught up to him, he would shot fake you into you.
Speaker 18:
[32:21] What blew my mind meeting him was how big he was. How big he was.
Speaker 1:
[32:24] I think about 6'6, yeah.
Speaker 18:
[32:25] Big fucking dude. Like to be as quick as, so Kobe was more tactical.
Speaker 1:
[32:31] Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 18:
[32:32] Yeah. That's, bro, what's that feel like, bro, to have?
Speaker 1:
[32:37] Fine, it's the best. Like I said, I mean, my job every night was to guard the bed.
Speaker 18:
[32:40] Did you ever guard AI?
Speaker 1:
[32:41] No, I didn't have to guard, I didn't want them problems. I didn't have to get there, I didn't have them problems, bro.
Speaker 2:
[32:47] I think about that, I think about Kobe getting the rings in the AI era.
Speaker 1:
[32:53] Yeah, AI was a problem. Have you met him? He's little.
Speaker 18:
[32:59] Just over Zoom.
Speaker 1:
[33:00] Okay, so never in person.
Speaker 18:
[33:01] I seen him in person. I was in the nosebleed at the All-Star Game in 2002 or 2003. When it was, no, 1990, 2000. In Oakland? In Oakland, when Vince stuck his arm in there. That's when I seen him. Because what happened with AI was when Vince was going through the, he attempted, his last attempt, people don't talk about this, but his last attempt was a free throw dunk. And AI was the first one to walk to the, he walked, he went on the baseline and walked to the free throw line and laid down on his stomach to see if he could witness where his foot was when he jumped. And then when he did that, everybody did it. Everybody went and laid down next to him. So that was my only time seeing AI in person. You feel me? But that game one he had against Kobe and them, bro.
Speaker 1:
[33:51] Crazy. That was the only game the Lakers lost the whole playoffs.
Speaker 18:
[33:54] That's my top sports performance I've ever seen, bro.
Speaker 1:
[33:57] The one in there had like 42.
Speaker 18:
[33:58] With my own two eyes, bro. When he stepped over T-bone, bro.
Speaker 1:
[34:07] Welcome to the show, Ralph Sampson. Rank these three in your opinion, MJ, LeBron, Kobe.
Speaker 19:
[34:13] Because I played against MJ, College and Pro. He's the number one. But what I like about MJ was he could bounce back. He was a student of the game. He built a mindset that no one has ever done pretty much, right? And he wanted to win. And he was putting the situation in the league against the bad boys, and we're trying to kill him, against Boston when he's trying to kill him. And you see the one against Monty where he's doing his nans on bird and whatever and he's fading. Even then the album was soar 60 points. The mindset is, if you talk about mindset, he's got the best one. He's got maybe the best game, but he got the best one because if he didn't have the same mindset, the game would be shit.
Speaker 9:
[34:55] The game would be the kill he was.
Speaker 19:
[34:57] And Kobe followed that. I rank them in the order because of their career, right? And LeBron would be next. And everybody said if LeBron didn't have the same mindset, well, he didn't have to because he's stronger than anybody else. He can play for another five years. He can stay in shape. I'm shooting jumpers.
Speaker 9:
[35:14] 6'8, 260, you can't even do that.
Speaker 19:
[35:15] But I don't beat anybody up with him. He got to be physical. He got to be physical. I hope he goes back to Cleveland and win the championship there.
Speaker 2:
[35:24] I just said that earlier. You did yesterday.
Speaker 19:
[35:26] They got to squat. He can go back and walk home and win the championship.
Speaker 9:
[35:29] That's gonna help his legacy. When he keep losing, it ain't gonna help.
Speaker 1:
[35:34] Welcome to the show, Gary, Emmanuel and Pops. All right, you guys can rank these individually or together, MJ, Kobe, Braun.
Speaker 16:
[35:41] Here's how you said it, MJ, Kobe, Braun.
Speaker 12:
[35:43] I mean, and I got maybe somebody else in number three.
Speaker 1:
[35:47] Who you got three?
Speaker 8:
[35:47] I got to go Curry.
Speaker 1:
[35:49] Steph.
Speaker 5:
[35:53] And then I go Magic and then I go Braun.
Speaker 1:
[35:55] Yeah. I'm mad at that. Pops, what about you?
Speaker 11:
[35:59] I'll leave it like it is. That's right. It is.
Speaker 9:
[36:01] That's right.
Speaker 1:
[36:02] If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Speaker 11:
[36:03] It ain't broke, don't fix it.
Speaker 4:
[36:04] I could go back and get Oscar.
Speaker 11:
[36:06] Yeah.
Speaker 9:
[36:07] Yeah.
Speaker 16:
[36:07] You know, but hey.
Speaker 9:
[36:09] Triple double king.
Speaker 1:
[36:10] I don't know if Oscar wants them problems with them three, though.
Speaker 4:
[36:14] You might be right.
Speaker 1:
[36:15] You might be right.
Speaker 4:
[36:16] You're right.
Speaker 1:
[36:21] Welcome to the show.
Speaker 9:
[36:21] Danny Green, MJ, Kobe, Braun, Rankle.
Speaker 1:
[36:25] Oh, on the spot.
Speaker 17:
[36:27] My goat is MJ.
Speaker 1:
[36:28] Okay.
Speaker 9:
[36:28] Of course.
Speaker 17:
[36:29] I think Braun has the greatest career of all time.
Speaker 9:
[36:31] Yes.
Speaker 17:
[36:32] So I'm going to go one and two. MJ then Braun. And it's tough to put Kobe three because, but I think I appreciated more when he stopped playing toward the end of his career. I think, you know, as a young kid, I always liked Mike so much, I thought Cole was just an imitation of Mike. And I was like, oh, he's not Mike, you know? So I kind of, I hate it on him, but yeah. But I appreciated more once I got to the league, played against him and then years, seeing how many years he's played. And then after, of seeing how his mind worked and his footwork, unbelievable. I think he probably is the most skilled at all three. Yeah. He had the best footwork. Mike was just good. He did one move, you ain't stopping it. Keep doing it. I'm going to shoot 60% doing it. I'm going to get to the free throw line. Kobe probably is the most skilled at all those three.
Speaker 9:
[37:22] What's, what's somebody told the difference between Mike and?
Speaker 1:
[37:25] Craig Hodges, Craig Hodges. We had Craig Hodges. So he said the difference is the hands because he said, Kobe would go shoot two free throws for everything. Mike was making for and ones. So Mike's hands were so much bigger. So Kobe would have to do it with two hands. Mike would move that bitch with one hand and finish it. And it made a lot of sense. I didn't hear no one say it, but it made a lot of sense, bro. Quiet big ass.
Speaker 17:
[37:49] You don't have to jump inside to get to that rim. And also you think you're in a safe space with a dribble. You're like, oh, I'm comfortable here. He can't get this.
Speaker 1:
[37:56] If you put it in, if you get down in your real triple threat, them big ass hands will come across everything and take everything. She's like, damn ref.
Speaker 17:
[38:03] He can reach a position where you think it's comfortable, safe space.
Speaker 1:
[38:06] Gone.
Speaker 17:
[38:06] He's taking the ball, man. So yeah, Mike, I think he's probably the reason why they do the hand test.
Speaker 9:
[38:13] Probably so.
Speaker 1:
[38:16] Welcome to the show, The One and Only, Miss Cynthia Cooper.
Speaker 9:
[38:19] Rate these three names, MJ, Kobe, LeBron.
Speaker 3:
[38:23] MJ is one. I'm going to have to go with my boy, Kobe, that's two.
Speaker 9:
[38:30] That's how I do it too.
Speaker 3:
[38:33] LeBron three, but LeBron is a beast.
Speaker 9:
[38:37] Yes, no question. Absolutely.
Speaker 3:
[38:38] The longevity, the game.
Speaker 9:
[38:40] Unbelievable.
Speaker 3:
[38:41] The pressure he's been under to perform every single year and he shows up and shows out.
Speaker 9:
[38:49] Every time, 6'8, 260.
Speaker 3:
[38:52] Yeah, but when you talk about mentality, though, you gotta talk about Kobe. When you talk about just the mentality, just the assassin type of mentality, you gotta mention Kobe's name every single time. Like how he confronted a game, how he confronted practice, workouts, and I'm with him. People want to know how you become a Hall of Famer when you start playing basketball at 15 is that you put in the work, right? You put in the work when nobody else is looking. You put in the work, right? And Kobe talks about his work ethic all the time. And damn, MJ, he was way before his time. He just, just nobody can stop him. Whatever era he played in, he would have been MJ.
Speaker 1:
[39:38] I agree with him. Welcome to the show, Charlie Sheen.
Speaker 2:
[39:44] You think he should go? I mean, why, why is there even a debate?
Speaker 7:
[39:49] Right, right, right.
Speaker 2:
[39:50] You never, I mean, it just feels kind of obvious, right? Yeah. You would think. I'm sure LeBron wouldn't appreciate that.
Speaker 11:
[40:00] I mean, he would ask us everything. It's just kind of obvious, right?
Speaker 1:
[40:03] Rank these three in your order, MJ, Kobe, LeBron.
Speaker 2:
[40:06] The order you just presented them. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[40:09] Okay.
Speaker 2:
[40:09] That's right. That's how I do it.
Speaker 1:
[40:11] Simple enough.
Speaker 7:
[40:12] Would you, simple enough?
Speaker 2:
[40:13] You would co-sign that? Yes, I would.
Speaker 1:
[40:15] Simple enough.
Speaker 2:
[40:16] Yes. No disrespect.
Speaker 1:
[40:19] I'm not taking it.
Speaker 2:
[40:20] Mamba, but okay, yeah, right on.
Speaker 1:
[40:26] Welcome to the show, Ben Affleck.
Speaker 9:
[40:28] MJ, Kobe, LeBron, rank them.
Speaker 16:
[40:30] Ooh, wee.
Speaker 2:
[40:32] MJ, Kobe, LeBron.
Speaker 3:
[40:35] MJ, Bron, Kobe.