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[01:00] Welcome back to the Cover 3 Podcast with your hosts, Chip Patterson, Tom Fornelli, Danny Kanell, and Bud Elliott. It's your call for the best college football coverage from National Signing Day to the National Championship and everything in between. CBS Sports presents the Cover 3 Podcast.

Speaker 2:
[01:22] And welcome back to the Cover 3 Podcast here on CBS Sports. That's Tom Fornelli. I'm Chip Patterson coming to you live at youtube.com/cover3 and everywhere I get your podcasts on demand. Thanks for hanging out. Smash that subscribe. Smash that like and come and join us in the chat, aka the Cover 3 tailgate rocking and rolling here on a Thursday because this is the time of year. This is the time of week when we get interactive. That's right. We've got questions coming from the big old bag of mail where listeners have left us a five-star review and put a mailbag question in there. We are also going to be getting to those Spotify comments, which no mailbag questions that I saw per se, Tom, but some reaction so we can offer reaction to the reaction, which I'm always willing to do, at least take a few minutes to do that here on a Thursday. And also, as you see in the headline, you're going to be looking ahead to the spring game action, which includes Indiana having its spring game at the exact same time as arguably its biggest NFL draft moment in school history. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought about this, you know? So can we sync up Josh Hoover throwing a touchdown pass as Fernando Mendoza is getting drafted? I don't think, I know Kurt's a big fan of the Cover 3 Podcast. I don't know if he's into those kinds of things, but that at least would be a fun moment. Maybe even pause the spring game and let everybody celebrate Fernando, the past and Josh Hoover, the future. There's a lot of possibilities in Bloomington here on a Thursday night.

Speaker 4:
[03:08] So they're actually doing it tonight?

Speaker 2:
[03:10] Yep.

Speaker 4:
[03:13] All right, cool.

Speaker 2:
[03:14] Watch it on Big Ten Network. If you don't want to watch the nine different ways to watch the NFL Draft here on this Thursday night, and you are all about Nick Marsh, and you're like, I want to see Nick Marsh catch touchdown passes from Josh Hoover. If you're into that, that is your option. Listen, you can watch on ESPN, ABC, NFL Network, CBS Sports HQ is going to have awesome coverage. Ryan Wilson, who joined us last week, has been doing the full CBS Sports HQ tour. He was in Fort Lauderdale. Then he'll be up in Stanford for all of the draft coverage in prime time. So lots of different ways to track and follow the draft. But also, at the exact same time, the reigning national champions have in their spring game over on the Big Ten Network.

Speaker 4:
[04:01] I mean, I get the thought behind it. I, you know, like millions of people, I'm going to pretend that I'm suddenly an Indiana football fan. Like if I am an Indiana football fan, that feels kind of unfair to me.

Speaker 2:
[04:16] That wants to celebrate Fernando?

Speaker 4:
[04:17] Yeah, like I want to watch the NFL draft so I could see Fernando Mendoza, the greatest quarterback in my school history, the guy who led us to a national title, get drafted. But in order to do that, if I care enough where I want to watch the spring game, I'm going to miss the start of the spring game because the NFL draft starts at 7 or 7, 8 Eastern on ESPN, NFL Network, all the other networks that it's on. But it won't really get going until 7.15, 7.20. So I don't know. I don't know if I like that decision. I think that's unfair to me and my fellow sudden Indiana fans.

Speaker 2:
[04:52] Yeah, I listen, but this has also avoided the criticism of a closed practice because as it was pointed out in the tailgate, if you're having your spring game at the same time as the NFL Draft, it might as well be a closed practice.

Speaker 4:
[05:04] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[05:06] So we'll see.

Speaker 4:
[05:07] In the chat, they're showing the draft on the video boards in the stadium. Who cares? If I'm not at home, like unless I'm at the stadium, what good does that do me?

Speaker 2:
[05:18] I just noticed on youtube.com/cover3, you got a little shout out to, was it 3-0? 3-0 win last night?

Speaker 4:
[05:24] Oh, yeah. The Dodgers suck. Yeah, they're dead.

Speaker 2:
[05:26] Yeah, let's go. Two wins?

Speaker 4:
[05:28] Everybody's been looking for a way for MLB to fix the sport, to keep the Dodgers from dominating. Apparently, the only thing you had to do, have them do, was play the Giants. They can't beat the Giants. Shohei Otani got rocked.

Speaker 2:
[05:39] No, he didn't. It was 0-0 when he left.

Speaker 4:
[05:42] Yeah, but you know, his 53 game on base streak, it's dead because he went 0 for 4. But yeah, he did not give up a run. His ERA on the season is literally down to 0.38. He should be in prison. He just, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[05:59] Danny and Bud really messed up letting us lose here on a Mailbag. We're going to end up talking about baseball and hockey, but we ultimately are serving you in the Cover 3 tailgate. So unfortunately, Garrett, what's the beard bet for this year's draft? Maybe that's why Danny's not here today.

Speaker 4:
[06:17] Probably, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[06:18] Coward all the way through. This one's actually college football. Maybe you'll get us back on track before we do our spring game. Look ahead. An interesting question that dropped in 9:28 a.m. Eastern time. Are there any coaches who don't have playing backgrounds? The answer is yes. If so, what is the path to do so? And are there any noticeable differences between them and coaches with playing backgrounds? Now, I think that there's lots of different ways to attack this. I'm interested in spending a couple of minutes here in sort of what your first reaction is to different ways that coaches end up reaching one of the best football jobs in America, which is being a head coach of a big time college football team.

Speaker 4:
[07:06] I mean, yeah, I think it's more common now than it probably used to be. I feel like to be a coach in the past, not even like distant past, but in the near distant past, you had to have some connection to the sport. Like you played, you did not have a professional career afterwards, so you got into coaching, and there are still a lot of coaches who do that. But I think now with the way that analytics and all that kind of stuff has been brought into, not just football, but every sport, like you're suddenly kind of, they're starting to realize there are people that know what they're doing with good ideas, who maybe just because they never put on pads and like, you know, blocked somebody, they understand how a blocking scheme is supposed to work or what you want to do. You know, so I can't think like off the top of my head, who does, who doesn't, what kind of success they have, if there's any correlation. My guess is no, there's no correlation. I'm guessing there, if you have not played football and you somehow earn your way to being like the head coach somewhere, you're just as successful because you wouldn't have gotten that job if you did.

Speaker 2:
[08:04] I'm glad that you started with sort of the way it used to be, the way it is now. I think that when the pay was less, you had to love it so much, probably because you played it. You know, like ultimately, the motivations to invest that much of your time into the activity of coaching college football or coaching football in general, some of that more than likely, in most cases, came from the fact that you played. And some of it, you know, you just can't... There is a former, he played FCS in college, he played in the NFL for a pretty long time, offensive lineman who lives in the neighborhood. And he just wants to be an assistant coach at a local high school just to stay in the game. You know, and he talks about staying connected to the game as being a big part of his post-playing career. I would imagine that when making a lot of money, when making the money was less, you had to love the game almost to a point where you needed it. Examples that are coming through in the tailgate that I do think are good, Kenny Dillingham, not a, you know, like he loved football. I think he played football growing up. But when we talk about him as an Arizona State alumnus, do you know what we don't talk about him as? Former Arizona State player. I think he got an injury. Like there was a hope that maybe he could have walked on at one time. There's some story about what happened early in his career. But that's another example of somebody who just loves the game and is able to translate that. You've got a lot more motivations if you're more analytically minded now that the salaries are up into the multiples of millions of dollars. Yeah, Eddie in the tailgate. Dillingham blew out his knee in high school. So that's another one. Lincoln Riley played at Texas Tech. Was a very good quarterback at Texas Tech. Very, very good sphere, right? For Lincoln Riley?

Speaker 4:
[10:00] Yes, he was the greatest quarterback I ever saw. Lincoln Riley was the only person Lincoln Riley couldn't win a Heisman for.

Speaker 2:
[10:08] Oh, and oh, sorry to bring family business out on the air. I might crib or not crib. I will point to the passer, I will always give you credit, but I really like your Jaden Maiva Heisman take.

Speaker 4:
[10:22] Thank you.

Speaker 2:
[10:23] Yeah. You know, you had asked for bold predictions. I might be rocking with the Jaden Maiva Heisman at least here for just a little bit. Is that okay? As long as I give credit?

Speaker 4:
[10:36] You don't even have to give credit. I don't care. It's just a bold prediction. Credit. We're the media. We don't have to give each other credit anymore. You don't have to be first. You just have to be loudest.

Speaker 2:
[10:48] Well, the journalistic integrity that we maintain here on the Cover 3 Podcast. Yeah, that's good. All right. Let's keep it rolling with another Mailbag question from the tailgate. 9:37 a.m. Love the early birds who get in here. Kyle says, after the spring game, Julian Sayin, Ohio State quarterback, said he would have lowered his shoulder and gotten in the end zone on a touchdown if it were a real game. Is the effort to make him mobile going to get him killed?

Speaker 4:
[11:21] No. I mean, there have been plenty of small mobile quarterbacks who succeeded in college just fine. Kyler Murray did okay. He's not exactly a large man. I think I would like to see Julian put on some weight, but I think that's going to be natural the older he gets and the longer he's in that strength program. But I mean, it's not like you see these guys taking tons of huge hits.

Speaker 2:
[11:44] Off the top of my head, in the Ryan Day era, even players who can move for most of the season, we don't always see. Okay.

Speaker 4:
[11:57] We don't need to be fighting for that first down against Akron, or whoever the hell we're playing in September, or even like Rutgers. We'll save that for the games of it.

Speaker 2:
[12:06] Was it the semifinal against Georgia when CJ Stroud started scooting all over the place, and everyone's like, what? I thought that guy was a statue back there. No, he's got athletic ability. It was just a conscious decision to limit the amount of blows. So to Kyle's question, when you say that, Kyle, I'm like, yeah, Ryan Day's not gonna let him get killed.

Speaker 4:
[12:29] I mean, they have their 100% games and they have their 80% games. Ryan Day's pretty much said as much to us on his show.

Speaker 2:
[12:36] He said, yeah, I was about to say, he said, on the Cover 3 podcast, Ryan Day said, yeah, we kept in mind the idea that this could be a 16-game season. And if you paid attention to our tempo and you paid attention to our huddle, like that's kind of what we were dealing with. One more from the tailgate, then we'll hit a break and start to get into our spring game lookaheads. Our good friend Ryan, who I'm sure is fired up about Notre Dame, says, which is the next power for school to actually build a new stadium? And how long will it be till this happens?

Speaker 4:
[13:14] Well, Northwestern is the most recent, even though they haven't played. So I mean, technically I could say Northwestern because they haven't played in it yet and it's not even going to be ready for the start of the new season. So technically they're not finished building it yet. But if we don't include Northwestern, I don't know who needs a new stadium. Like there are teams that are renovating stadiums, but I don't know if anybody has like a situation where they need to completely tear down and start over.

Speaker 2:
[13:43] I, man, I do not know. Because all, a ton of stadiums were all built within 20 years of each other. You know, we don't have, we are in a stadium building drought, right? Right now, we are in one of the worst droughts that we've had in a while here in Wake County. We got water restrictions in place. Yeah, it's a capital D drought. But, but I think our stadium building drought might be, might be coming along. There's, there could be a time where we hit a cycle where they start to get built again. And if so, I don't, I, they might be built differently. Snapdragon Stadium is a recent new build out in San Diego State. That's not a power conference school. I think they're fixing up Memorial Stadium in Bloomington more than they're ever considering building a new one. It's just so expensive.

Speaker 4:
[14:44] It's not cheap to build a new stadium. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[14:47] I tell you, how long will it be till this happens? I don't know, 15 years.

Speaker 4:
[14:52] And like, if you look at the new stadiums that have been built, like Snapdragon Stadium, very nice from what I'm told, haven't been. The new Northwestern Stadium is supposed to be pretty nice, but they're also smaller. They're not building the giant like 100,000 seat coliseums anymore. They're building smaller stadiums that are more about amenities than they are about capacity.

Speaker 2:
[15:12] Yeah, great call from the tailgate. Like, you've got college teams that are moving into NFL stadiums, you know, UCLA potentially eyeing a move into SoFi. Oh, South Florida, USF. They're trying to build an actual on-campus stadium, or maybe they are.

Speaker 4:
[15:30] But they're not Power 4.

Speaker 2:
[15:31] But they're not Power 4.

Speaker 4:
[15:34] Yet.

Speaker 2:
[15:36] ACC.

Speaker 4:
[15:38] That's right. They're going to have some holes to fill.

Speaker 2:
[15:40] Come on down. Pitt, Miami. Again, NFL, you know, it's...

Speaker 4:
[15:46] But like, if you're Miami or Pitt, why build a stadium if you're able to play in one? Like, Miami's able to play at Hard Rock. I feel like if there was such a disadvantage for them, they would be looking into building a stadium, but they're not. So clearly, they're okay with the situation.

Speaker 2:
[16:06] The Pitt case for... If Corey's in the tailgate, I'm sure he'll chime in on this one, but the Pitt case too runs a little bit deeper because they share the same facility, they share the same practice field. Like, there's a whole University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, you know, scratch each other's back situation with the Steelers, where the Steelers are benefiting a little bit, but the Pitt Panthers are as well. Does it strip away, potentially create a different kind of home field environment on a Saturday? Yeah, absolutely. But I think that there are still benefits. Otherwise, you might see a little bit more movement to try and create something different.

Speaker 4:
[16:42] But like, honestly, if Miami or Pitt built stadiums on campus, OK, do you think that they would have that many more people showing up to games than they currently do? Like, Miami is a small private school. It's not like there are 40,000 people on campus all the time.

Speaker 2:
[16:59] I think both being in metropolitan areas, the people within the Athletic Department would argue that we are constantly pitching ourselves to people who are not alumni to become fans.

Speaker 4:
[17:09] And there's an NFL stadium that you're pitching to them that they're not really showing up to you.

Speaker 2:
[17:13] Maybe they're going to start, like, that's going to be their intro.

Speaker 4:
[17:19] Most of their fans probably live far closer to that pro stadium than they do to the campus.

Speaker 5:
[17:24] Yep, good point.

Speaker 2:
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Speaker 2:
[18:56] Back here on the Cover 3 Podcast. Yes, some commentary, including the point that Miami Gardens is not Coral Gables. The stadium is not necessarily near the university. And if you go to where the university is, we don't really have the space to be able to all of a sudden let a massive college football stadium spring up out of nowhere. And to my, I haven't been to Pittsburgh in nine years, ten years or so, but to my mind, around campus, I didn't really see a lot of empty space either, where all of a sudden you'd be able to dig everything out and spring up a new football stadium out of nowhere.

Speaker 4:
[19:33] Pittsburgh on its own, one of our country's most underrated cities.

Speaker 2:
[19:37] I like Pittsburgh a lot.

Speaker 4:
[19:38] I agree.

Speaker 2:
[19:39] There we go. Pro-Pittsburgh, print the city.

Speaker 4:
[19:42] Pro-Pittsburgh podcast. Pro-Pittsburgh, print the city.

Speaker 2:
[19:46] Oh yeah, Danny.

Speaker 4:
[19:47] Danny's got the Pittsburgh connections. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[19:49] There you go.

Speaker 4:
[19:50] Bud's the only one here who hates the city, thinks it's a hell hole.

Speaker 2:
[19:53] But he likes Pat. But he likes Pat.

Speaker 4:
[19:56] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[19:57] He's a big Pat Narduzzi guy, very much against the Steel City as a municipality. Let's look ahead at the spring game action. We mentioned Indiana on Thursday night. Besides the NFL draft conflict, what is going to be standing out to you? Because again, this one is on Big Ten Network, so no matter what your Thursday night plans are, whether you're watching the Carolina Hurricanes or doing whatever you're doing on this Thursday night, you can record it, come back, check it out later. What are you going to be looking for from the Crimson and Cream?

Speaker 4:
[20:29] I mean, a lot of new people taking on big roles. A lot of the key players that came with Kurt Signetti from James Madison, who were culture setters in that program, have now moved on, especially on the defensive side of the ball. So you've got new guys that are coming in, and you've got guys like Mario Landino, who is going to be looked at. He was like the young kid who was kind of a supplemental role, who was very good in that role last year. Now he's going to be like the guy. So you want to see how he looks, you want to see how the offensive line looks, because they lose a few guys up there. They also have transfer coming in at right guard. So the lines of scrimmage are what I want to look at, see with Indiana how they're looking. I'm sure they're going to be okay, but will they be as good as they were last year? That's what you start to figure out. Obviously, Josh Hoover, you're not going to see anything from Josh Hoover in this game that's going to be like, oh, no. If he throws five interceptions, okay, maybe you get a little worried. Nick Marsh, I think that's the most exciting one, because I do think that that is a name that last year playing at Michigan State with a bad quarterback for most of the season was a guy who played very well considering what he was dealing with on a team that nobody was paying attention to. And now that I think that he's on a team and where people will be paying attention to him, that's a name that people might not know that is going to have a huge season and will be a big player in college football this year. So it'll be interesting to see Marsh in an Indiana uniform. He might be better than anybody that they had on the team last year. Not saying he is, but he might be. So he might be better than Omar Cooper. He might be better than Elijah Surratt. We'll see.

Speaker 2:
[22:00] EJ. Williams also gone too. When Becker ascended, Williams probably fell down to like that fourth or fifth kind of option. But we do have Becker back. So you've got Marsh on the opposite side of Becker. Who do you have? As we're piecing together this offense, we remember, not Pat Narduzzi, Kurt Signetti said, he showed up here, found his two best friends were a defense and a run game. Last year, we kind of had that one-two punch. What do you think the running back room is going to end up looking like for the Hoosiers this year?

Speaker 4:
[22:32] Well, they got Turbo Richard in the transfer portal, so I expect he's going to be playing a role. But I think Indiana, like what you saw what they did last year with Henby and Black, they mix it up. They like to keep guys fresh throughout the game because Indiana's entire, the basis, the foundation of what they do is they're physical and they want to wear down on you over four quarters. So like BB., Richard, Kobe Martin, those guys you're going to probably see, they're all going to get snaps throughout this game, throughout the season, and it's going to be a committee. But it'll be interesting to see if one of those guys does kind of step forward to be the man.

Speaker 2:
[23:02] And while Ty Simpson may or may not be busy getting selected or not on Thursday night, I'm sure he'll be looking to check out that defense, right? What did he call it? The basic vanilla defense of the...

Speaker 4:
[23:15] The basic B's.

Speaker 2:
[23:16] Yeah. That'll be something. Again, Thursday night, tonight, as we're sitting here live with you on youtube.com/cover3. Then more traditional Saturday kickoff time for the Notre Dame Fighting Irish, a year with immense expectations. Talk of 12-0, 11-1, gonna be a top five team going into the season. CJ. Carr gonna be one of the biggest stars in all of college football. We've got a more traditional blue gold game as well. What's gonna be, you know, kind of on the radar for looking for answers or nuggets coming out of this one?

Speaker 4:
[23:54] I mean, first of all, did Notre Dame schedule its spring game on Saturday so they could dodge the Hoosiers on Thursday because they're scared that nobody would care if the Hoosiers were playing theirs at the same time?

Speaker 2:
[24:05] I'm telling you, this is a sneaky, fun wrinkle to have both of these Indiana-based schools, the long-time power which seems to be finally rising back where they existed for decades against the true upstart of upstart. So it's, and then getting the spring games together, yeah, I'm in. I'm all the way in. I want Notre Dame and Indiana to play as many times as possible, as long as Signetti and Freeman are there.

Speaker 4:
[24:33] As far as the actual game, I mean, obviously, the only, they lose players from their offense, like Eli Raritan is gone, we know Price and Love are gone, Pauling is gone, Fields is gone, but like pretty much, they're projected starting 11 are guys that were there last year. Like they brought in transfers, they have freshmen, but they're more guys that are supposed to expect to be in the rotation, maybe on the two deep, they're not really projected to be starters. If I'm a Notre Dame fan, we've gotten this far in spring without a major injury on our offensive line, which is something I feel like we've failed to avoid these last few years. Let's get through this spring game without Charles Jagasaw getting hurt or somebody getting hurt. Let's just get healthy and get to the season. That's really all I'm interested in, but you do want to see CJ Carr, how he's looking going into year two. You want to see Bryce Young, Bubacar Traore, those guys on the defensive line. You'd like to see them flash a little bit. There is some in the secondary. You lose Devontae Smith, you lost Stroman, you've got the McKinney transfer in. You were Sanders from, I can't remember what school he came from, but there are more questions, I feel like, in their secondary, although they're not like questions I'm overly concerned about. But you do wonder, you want to see who's going to step up and who's going to fill those roles.

Speaker 2:
[25:56] Jameson Williams left Ohio State, became an absolute superstar. Noah Rogers left Ohio State, good season at NC State, he's now at Alabama. Mylon Graham? What do you think? I mean, is he part of the answer for past catching option, top pass catching options? What's your read on how the former Buckeye might be settling into that room right now?

Speaker 4:
[26:24] I, he could end up being the star. I mean, if they were, they've got Great House, who was their slot guy last year. Like if you were that confident in Great House being the guy, do you go into the portal to get Graham? So it wouldn't shock me if Graham ends up taking that starting job and wrestling it away, but I think he's going to have to earn it. He's got the pedigree. He doesn't really have production to this point, but it's something to keep an eye on. Like the thing about Notre Dame right now is they're a very, very talented team. Like their second string has a lot of talent, just like the first string does, and it's going to be hard to crack rotations at a lot of these spots. They're a deep team. It's one of the reasons why they're one of the favorites to win the whole damn thing this year.

Speaker 2:
[27:07] Two years ago, you'll remember me beating the drum about how impressive it was that they suffered six or seven season-ending injuries or seemingly season-ending injuries to starters and just continued to keep pace, found themselves all the way in the National Championship game. There is real program depth there, competitive program depth. So it is fun to see more put on the plate of very highly recruited young players because the profile of the Notre Dame recruit has changed under Marcus Freeman, it seems. I don't have the data behind that. I'm not your recruiting expert.

Speaker 4:
[27:48] No, it has. But that's, okay. Yeah, I mean, Brian Kelly had good recruiting classes. He had good rosters. These rosters are better than I think Brian Kelly's were for the most part. Okay, so- No Michael Juniors on any of these teams. These are real players.

Speaker 2:
[28:04] Tailgate, we love Junior.

Speaker 4:
[28:09] Hi Mike.

Speaker 2:
[28:10] Hi Mike. I know you're a big fan of the Cover 3 Podcast. Hope you're doing well. Didn't mean to mess up your Thursday.

Speaker 4:
[28:17] Mike's just walking, like, what the?

Speaker 2:
[28:19] Mike's on a walk right now, like, what?

Speaker 3:
[28:22] Why'd you do that? Come on, Tom.

Speaker 2:
[28:24] All right, let's see. So Ryan, I mentioned he says, Mylon Graham, backup quarterback battle.

Speaker 9:
[28:29] Ooh, okay.

Speaker 2:
[28:32] And new offensive tackles.

Speaker 4:
[28:33] I will say, like, if you're going into your spring game and you're like, I'm really excited to see the backup quarterback battle.

Speaker 2:
[28:40] It's a great sign.

Speaker 4:
[28:41] It's a good sign, but it also a sign that maybe you care a little too much.

Speaker 2:
[28:45] No, no, no, no, no. All right. Raymond's excited. Came off a great scrimmage. This one's from Indiana. Heath said, hot take. Indiana will have a better defense than last.

Speaker 4:
[29:00] I don't know. I mean, you might have like four or five guys drafted in the next few days. It's going to be, maybe you will. Like, I don't know. Like you could keep stacking talent on talent. Like I really love Landino and not just because he's Italian. I think he's really good. But I do have, you know, we're going to have to see elsewhere.

Speaker 2:
[29:20] Yep. All right. Let's see. We'll get a couple more mailbag questions from the tailgate in a little bit. I want to make sure the big old bag of mail and Spotify comments get some action. But before we do there, other spring games that you might be able to get your eyes on. The Oregon Ducks will also be on Big Ten Network for their spring game this weekend. What's got your eye here?

Speaker 4:
[29:48] Gatlin Bayer. I mean, it is funny. We talk about Ohio State and how they're always bringing in these stud receivers. Well, it's like last year, Oregon brings in the Cory Moore who doesn't play the entire season, gets banged up. But now then they're also, so they have more. They still have Evan Stewart. They have McClellan. But they've also brought in another five-star stud in Gatlin Bayer. Is he able to crack that rotation quickly? I don't know if he will. He's probably going to be behind Evan Stewart, because Evan Stewart, to his credit, did play pretty well down the stretch last year. But Bayer is just so talented that you do wonder if he's going to take over. Then pretty much their entire defensive line is back, and not just like the starters. I feel like most of their Too Deep came back this year. They're very experienced there. They're linebackers. They lose Betcher, so that's something you have to keep an eye on. They lose Thien, a minute's safety, but then they brought in Koi Parrish to replace him. I like Koi. I thought statistically, last year he dropped off a little bit, but I also think Minnesota was putting him in. I think Minnesota was putting far too much on his plate. He was like the save us kind of guy, and I think it took him away from what really he excels at. I think maybe at Oregon, he'll be much better suited for what they're going to have him do, so I expect he'll have a good season. So I mean, this team is going to be good. Like, there's not really anything I'm going to take away from this game. I mean, the offensive line has some new bodies, so that'll be something to keep an eye on. But I wouldn't get too concerned because, again, the entire 2D for their defensive line is back. So if this offensive line struggles in the spring game, it probably should.

Speaker 2:
[31:25] This two things. Number one, for those who are not aware, but might be trying to jump in to see this, you're not going to see Dylan Riola. Did Dylan Riola join the program? Yes, but he broke his leg on November 1st. He ain't going to be back. And Tom, my understanding, he's probably going to redshirt the 2026 season.

Speaker 4:
[31:46] Okay. That's the plan.

Speaker 2:
[31:48] Yeah. Okay. So Dylan Riola to Oregon, big flashy, whoa, off-season headline. Now that we are getting to the vegetables of the college football season, which is very much like spring game and trying to figure out what these teams are going to be, he's going to have a headset and a clipboard. He'll be doing the Macarena. But that's- In a boot. In a boot. Yeah. But this is an important year for him as he continues to get comfortable there because not every high-profile transfer has landed at Oregon and found themselves cut out for the way that life is as an Oregon duck. I mean, we've seen that in the last couple of years as well. This is the second piece. This is a great example, I think, of picking up on something that- Do you remember Bud Elliott?

Speaker 4:
[32:41] No.

Speaker 2:
[32:41] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[32:42] Tell me about him.

Speaker 2:
[32:42] We had a friend named Bud Elliott. He was a great co-host here on the Cover 3 Podcast. No, I kid. I kid. He's working on summer school right now. Bud pointed out rightly that sometimes in a spring game, you can learn as much from listening to the announcers as you can from watching the field. Because the listeners have come to one of the last spring practices, and they have had sit downs with definitely the head coach and possibly both coordinators as well. Dan Lanning does a great job of explaining his football team to knowledgeable listeners. I think that this is one where you go in and you understand that whoever is commentating for the Oregon Spring Game has a good read on strengths, weaknesses, pivot points, because I would imagine that Dan's done a good job of helping fill them in. He's not going to give away state secrets, but he wants to make sure that a proper presentation of his football team is being delivered. And so this is going to be one where I'm probably listening as much as I am watching, trying to figure out what it's going to look like for the Ducks in 2026.

Speaker 4:
[33:56] Yeah, if I would think of like two words that describe Dan Lanning, Chip, it would be gets it. God gets it.

Speaker 2:
[34:04] He does get it. Add him to the Gitsit Hall of Fame. The Gitsit Mount Rushmore, currently being held down by Bob Chesney. I guess we can add Dan Lanning to it and fill out the rest of the Gitsit.

Speaker 4:
[34:14] Salute your janitors, kids.

Speaker 2:
[34:16] Absolutely. Iowa's got more or less a spring practice. Penn State, Matt Campbell, a little bit more of a final practice is my understanding than a traditional spring game. Minnesota does have a traditional spring game. Any others from that collection that stand out to you?

Speaker 4:
[34:35] Penn State's, obviously, if it was a spring game, would be far more interesting because of all the changes, but they're not having one, so it's just practice, so there's really nothing there. Minnesota, I don't know. I think they're going to be good.

Speaker 2:
[34:51] I thought Drake Lindsay was okay last year.

Speaker 4:
[34:53] Yeah. I think we know what Minnesota is. It's going to look just like Minnesota. The question is, how many games do they win playing that way this year? I feel like if you're a Minnesota fan right now, you're far more excited about what's going on in your recruiting class and you are your spring game, because they are doing pretty well on the 2027 trail right now.

Speaker 2:
[35:13] Damn.

Speaker 4:
[35:14] All right.

Speaker 2:
[35:15] Good job, PJ. Getting it.

Speaker 3:
[35:17] Rowing that boat.

Speaker 2:
[35:19] Let's go. A couple other new additions for Penn State. Penn State's got a roster that's going to have a lot of names that you go, oh yeah. I mean, I admitted there was a little bit of the copy and paste all the Iowa State players, but I think that there's going to be some good transfer portal additions that are going to be able to help both sides of the ball. I'm not going to get anything, obviously, without it being a spring game, more than a spring practice, but as Penn State wraps up spring, I wanted to give them that opportunity here. Because among other places where things are going to be interesting to go from 2024 all the way into 2025, they had an absolute luxury with what they got at running back, having both Nick Singleton and Katron Allen playing at a very high level for multiple years. So now when you lose them both, what does that end up meaning? James Peoples from Ohio State. That was, as I was going through, I was like, oh yeah. That could be something where, you know, he ended up getting beat out by Bo Jackson. That's my read, is that fair?

Speaker 4:
[36:33] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[36:33] Okay. Is he gonna be able to step in? Is he gonna be able to be a nice piece of that rushing attack, helping out Rocco Beck, have some balance in the backfield?

Speaker 4:
[36:43] I mean, I think Carson Hansen will still be the top guy there, but yeah, he's gonna be a part of what they're doing, for sure, but yeah, we'll see. I mean, as you mentioned, it's like, I do wonder, like completely, you know, the draft is tonight. Do you think Nick Singleton made a mistake coming back?

Speaker 2:
[37:01] You think so?

Speaker 4:
[37:02] I kind of do, like he was not very good last year. I think his stock got, like, I think if he comes out last year, he's an earlier pick than he will be this year.

Speaker 2:
[37:11] And to be clear, he's saying Nick Singleton made a mistake coming back for 2025.

Speaker 4:
[37:16] Yeah, sorry.

Speaker 2:
[37:18] Yeah, if Nick Singleton had left after 2024, he would have gotten drafted higher.

Speaker 4:
[37:23] Now, financially, maybe it was a great decision. He might have gotten a lot more. I don't know how much he got to come back, but I do wonder. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[37:31] Very interesting. All right. Coming up on the other side, Alabama, new deal for Kalen DeBoer. Someone in the tailgates got questions about that. And we go into the big old bag of mail and more next.

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Speaker 2:
[38:50] Back here on the Cover 3 Podcast. And, yes, we've got one in the tailgate. It was going to be a news item, but you brought it. It was a news item that we could have hit, could not hit. But when you say we want to talk about it, then let's talk about it. Trey, about 25 minutes before the show got started, jumped in the tailgate, pulled up, cracked up in a cold one, said after Kalen DeBoer goes 28, highlighted by a 38-3 College Football playoff loss to Indiana, Alabama rewards him with a seven year, $87.5 million contract. Trey continues, We clearly need guardrails on payments to players to protect college football from excessive spending.

Speaker 4:
[39:37] Listen, I get where he's coming from with that last part. It is silly to see these coaches still getting as much as they are. Overall, talking about how the way things are going right now, it's just not financially sustainable. But I think that as a college football collective mind, we have to reassess how we view win-loss records because you know what? Twenty and eight might have been a quote-unquote bad record for an Alabama coach during the Nick Saban era. In the NIL Portal era, twenty and eight is probably going to be one of the better records over that span of time. Over to you know, then you're going to see from most coaches across the country, especially now that the SEC has added a ninth conference game.

Speaker 2:
[40:22] And it's gotten better. So, SEC and Big Ten are harder conferences than they were ten years ago.

Speaker 4:
[40:27] Yeah, like you're going, you're just going to lose more games now than you had in the past, which is part of the reason why they're going to 24. Like the losses are becoming, you know, they're becoming less impactful to your season or they're becoming harder to avoid. So, I don't hold that part, but I do think that the bigger takeaway is like the buyout is still what, 90% of whatever's left.

Speaker 2:
[40:51] The new agreement includes a buyout of $10 million through January 31st of 27. Then the buyout-

Speaker 4:
[40:58] That's if DeBoer leaves, right?

Speaker 2:
[41:00] Then the buyout decreases by 2 million after each of the next two years.

Speaker 4:
[41:04] I thought that was if DeBoer leaves. I think if Alabama fires him, they still owe him 90% of whatever's remaining. Okay, I got you. I could be wrong, but that's what I thought I read.

Speaker 2:
[41:17] So would this be a deal that is good for Alabama if they wanted to get rid of him?

Speaker 4:
[41:24] No.

Speaker 2:
[41:24] Or is it- Okay.

Speaker 3:
[41:26] If he leaves.

Speaker 2:
[41:30] If he leaves, then somebody else is paying Alabama $10 million.

Speaker 4:
[41:39] I don't know. But I mean, I don't think Alabama plans to fire him anytime soon, because he did just get him to the playoff. Yeah, they got the ever-living piss beat out of them by Indiana, but Indiana won the national title. They were beating the piss out of a lot of teams.

Speaker 2:
[41:55] Grant, I appreciate you. You know the game within the game. Kalen DeBoer, Buyout, Robbie Cowan, CBS Sports. Kalen DeBoer, Buyout, Robbie Cowan, CBS Sports. We gotta update the post. Yeah, Robbie told both of us. Somebody came up to him in the, somebody came up to him at the Masters, said, wait, you're the guy who does the buyout posts we always hear about on CBS Sports.

Speaker 4:
[42:21] I call him Buyout Bob.

Speaker 2:
[42:25] That's right. But do you think that this, if you are Kalen DeBoer, you want, I mean, sure, sign this up. What about if you're an Alabama season ticket holder? Do you like this?

Speaker 4:
[42:40] I mean, I think most are probably fine with it. I think the ones that you'll hear from are the ones who aren't. I do think, like, it's just how it works. Like, a large portion of the Alabama fan base is sane and understands the situation. Then there's also the portion of the fan base that is going to be like, wait, why aren't we winning the national title every other year anymore? But it's just this is something that I think a lot of fan bases are going to have to come to grips with. But it's just going to be far more difficult for Alabama to do it because they're fresh off of being like the dominant force in the sport for so long.

Speaker 2:
[43:14] 51 years old, he absolutely could be the head coach of Alabama for the next 10 years.

Speaker 4:
[43:23] Yeah. Probably win a lot of games. Now, will he win a bunch of national titles? I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[43:33] Difficult to say on that one. All right. On Thursdays, we do like to jump into the big old bag of mails. Mikey, let's go down to the mail room. All right, do jumping into the big old bag of mail. This one comes from, oh, he told us what he did, but he didn't say his name. He says, a username remaining in the comments.

Speaker 4:
[44:05] Oh, wow, must have been something. What did he do?

Speaker 2:
[44:08] Well, best podcast there is, Soapbox Time. I am an athletic trainer at a low tier group of six program. I have also spent time at an upper tier FCS program, an upper tier group of six program, and a mid tier power four program. This is a well traveled athletic trainer from college football multiple levels. Now I understand why he's anonymous. College football will continue to be a mess until a league is formed where there is an actual real governing body that is respected, a CBA in place, and there are consequences for violating such bylaws just as in the NFL. The issues now don't fall at the NCAA level. They fall with coaches, athletic directors, and university presidents viewing college football as a way for them to make as much money as possible and cheat as needed to win. College football and athletic departments are also so widely fiscally irresponsible. Now that I'm off my soapbox, mailbag question. What is your go-to tailgate set up? Give me a cooler full of beer, a smoker with some pulled pork on it, and a nice brisk fall day. I kid you not. I mean, look, it's all right there. That's incredible. Fantastic.

Speaker 4:
[45:35] I was like, the question just came out of nowhere. I thought this guy just wanted to rant. We were giving him some space and we were going to react to it. Then he hits me with the tailgate question.

Speaker 2:
[45:43] Perfect. Perfect tailgate question. Ten out of ten. No notes.

Speaker 4:
[45:50] All right. So we'll just ignore the rant and we'll talk.

Speaker 2:
[45:52] No, no. So what do you think about the rant? Interesting perspective from somebody in the belly of the beast.

Speaker 4:
[45:59] I mean, there are two, the two loudest voices I hear about this sport are from people who work in it. Trainers who listen to podcasts and write mailbag rants, coaches and all that kind of stuff who will tell you that everything's a mess. Everything is unsustainable. We have to fix it. We have, we need Congress to fix it. We need rules. Then there are media types will tell you the ratings are great. What's wrong? So, I think that there's probably truth in between somewhere. Like, it annoys me to no end when people point to television ratings as a sign that things are working fine. Like, there's a reason that a lot of people watch The Bachelor and other reality shows of that ilk. It's not because things are going great. It's because they want the drama, the mess. I do think that this sport is in a time of upheaval and that there will be changes coming in the future that will probably bring some of what our anonymous friend here mentioned. There will be a new governing body. Whether anybody will ever respect it, I doubt it. But maybe it'll actually have authority. It doesn't mean it'll be respected. But it is going to be on the schools to come up with something that they then adhere to. But the problem that you're always going to face is when you have as many schools and you have as many parties that are interested in their own desires and interests, somebody's always gonna try to cheat. Somebody's not really gonna want to follow the rules. It's just you have to come up with a way that if somebody breaks them, there are tangible punishments that will have an impact on those people and that program that could deter them from doing so. As far as the CBA, that feels like something that would take a lot more time to get accomplished, and a whole lot of things that would have to change as far as laws and all that kind of consideration. So for me, I don't know if that's really truly possible. I think that a lot of this will depend on whether College Football is able to form this new governing body, and then that new governing body is able to get an antitrust exemption. And I feel like the powers that be that would be more interested in giving them what they want, College Football needs to hurry if they still want those powers that be to have the power to give them what they want. Because just trends on stuff that are going on like elections around the country right now, I feel like there's going to be different people in charge by the time this stuff comes in comes into play and they tend not to be as forgiving of these things.

Speaker 2:
[48:30] The players have no motivation for a CBA.

Speaker 4:
[48:38] No, I mean, that's the thing. Like if you, how many freaking players are there in the country? Like they're all going to come together to form a union?

Speaker 2:
[48:48] Like, it's just even even still the they are going to make more money with an unregulated system. So who are we bargaining with?

Speaker 4:
[49:00] I don't know. That's it's everyone.

Speaker 2:
[49:02] Yeah. Collective bargaining, CBA. Like these words get thrown around a lot as a fix. And I think I'm over identifying that as a fix because I don't think it answers the question or I don't know how we can move through that. It's like a key that will go halfway in but won't turn because it doesn't unlock all of this wonderful future because I'm not sure if players have any motivation whatsoever. You talked about the schools, you talked about the coaches, the staffers, the player part of this. They are absolutely motivated for things to continue as unregulated and as Wild West as possible and they're handlers who aren't having to get certified to become agents and are able to take bigger cuts because of marketing deals as opposed to actual employment contracts. There are a lot of people and throw them on the same pile as conference commissioners that would be giving up power in any kind of future.

Speaker 4:
[50:05] Think about people and power.

Speaker 2:
[50:07] They don't like giving it up?

Speaker 4:
[50:08] When they have it, it feels like they change the systems to make sure that they get to keep it more than they're ever willing to give it away. So I don't know, fingers crossed. Anyway.

Speaker 2:
[50:19] Oh, real quick, one last thing and then we can transition to actually answering our wonderful trainer's question. TV ratings, this crap, this doesn't work as well as I was hoping. It's like TV ratings are like calories, just because you got a lot of them doesn't mean it's good or healthy for you. Yeah. When you said The Bachelor, that's when it started to click. I might need to work on that, workshop that a little to fine tune it so it can travel. But you can have a lot of something. Doesn't mean that it's got real stickiness or value to it. And I think I'm at that point with TV ratings when we're talking about the future of the sport.

Speaker 4:
[50:58] Like a lot of people watch Love Island. Do you want anybody on that show to be in charge of anything? No.

Speaker 2:
[51:04] Okay, so what's your tailgate set up?

Speaker 4:
[51:07] Just a cooler full of beer and a grill. That's all I need. And it's somewhere to sit. Yeah, I mean, it could be just like a patio chair, a lawn chair, whatever, just somewhere to sit. Even though I like to stand and move around, I don't sit too often, but yeah.

Speaker 2:
[51:21] The number one thing that is most important to me with a tailgate situation is to be inviting. Okay? This is where the card table can really come in handy. You know? You don't, it's not going to be a table we're sitting at, because like you, there's going to be more like standing and grazing, but that's, the table is inviting to the spot next to you, to friends that might be coming from another parking lot. Like that, the tailgate is a communal environment and I want to be able to feed that. So, the spread, I guess, I would say, doesn't even have to be super fancy. You have a bag of chips, you know, some cookies, just a few other things. Yes, the grill, you know, obviously, the cooler, those things, but to be able to have some kind of presentation that is going to be inviting, is going to be sitting there.

Speaker 4:
[52:15] Like a cornhole game somewhere, so that way you can chill with the beer in hand and just toss a sack around.

Speaker 2:
[52:20] Dog, if you think I didn't run into so many cars in the Bulls lot as a kid, throwing a football before a Carolina football game, just smack into the side of a Subaru.

Speaker 4:
[52:36] And they can take it, they're built tough.

Speaker 2:
[52:38] They're built tough. I was not. Yeah, I would say that go-to tailgate set up for the most part to me, obviously the foods, the drinks, but games and an inviting atmosphere because the tailgating inevitably will not just be whoever's you in your car. It's about building that, building the good vibes before you go and take it on into the stadium. I did see a lot of comments about televisions as well. I've never been the, if I'm tailgating at the stadium, I would rather get into the stadium than try to create something outside the stadium as complex as the television set up. But I appreciate when other people have their televisions to watch, you know, games before heading in.

Speaker 4:
[53:25] And there are people who just go to tailgate and don't actually go to the game. So those people do exist. But like when I was in my prime tailgating era, it was far more difficult to have a television set up and working than it is with the current modern technology. So television was never a major part of my tailgating time. It was, you could listen on the radio stuff, but yeah. So I don't know. I mean, I'm, it's probably far easier to do it now. So maybe that's just part of it. You know what, man? When I'm out tailgating, I don't, I don't need to be staring at my screen. You know, I'm just, I'm, I'm, I'm experiencing the moment of being there with people.

Speaker 2:
[53:59] But the gather around, I mean, having another car that has some television, so you can go over, let's see, where was it? I will have very, very strong memories of, I think it was Lamar lighting up Florida State. Was that like 63 to something like it?

Speaker 4:
[54:22] It was a blowout, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[54:23] It was a blowout game in a season where Florida State was ranked as an early season game.

Speaker 4:
[54:30] So it was a real long time ago.

Speaker 2:
[54:32] It was a real long time ago. I watched it at a tailgate at an Auburn game. Everybody's hooting and hollering over FSU getting pantsed by Lamar Jackson. That was a good communal atmosphere for sure. Let's keep it going from the big old bag of mail. Again, if you go and leave us a five-star review, and in that review, put your mailbag question, we can go ahead and get to it. This one is about the Arkansas Razorbacks. Cole left us a five-star review and said, in the new NIL era, why is Arkansas not a powerhouse? Walmart, Tyson Foods, Jerry Jones, and JB Hunt all have connections to the school. Seems like they have no reason to not pay the big money to get the best players. The basketball buy-in has improved, but not football. Not sure too many other schools have this kind of potential donors that seem to not want to buy a championship. Could they be the next Indiana with the right head coach?

Speaker 4:
[55:42] Just because Walmart is tied to your school doesn't mean Walmart wants to give a bunch of money to your school in which they're not going to get the return on their investment. So like you've got the Tyson Foods guy who clearly loves Arkansas basketball, was able to blur Calipari away and is willing to spend money on it. So it's like you can't just have rich people that went to your school. You have to have rich people who care about your athletics. Or you just have to have a really rich person who didn't go to your school, but is currently married to a woman who did and really cares about your athletics. So yeah, sure, Arkansas has the potential if they really wanted to. But the fact of the matter is most power for schools have the potential if they really wanted to. Billionaires went to every school. Like it's, you know, Stanford probably has more money than anybody out there compared to who they have as far as alumni. But do they really care? Apparently not that much.

Speaker 2:
[56:35] They might also give it to the school.

Speaker 4:
[56:37] Yeah, and they donate. They do. They do donate to the school. They're just not donating to their left tackle. And there's a huge difference there because not everybody cares. But as Bud has gone over time and time again. I know.

Speaker 2:
[56:51] I thought about saving this for a show when Bud was here. But looking at the calendar, I don't know. We just need to get it out of the mailbag. It's like two weeks old. But so he would tell you they care about baseball.

Speaker 4:
[57:01] Yeah. And Jerry Jones, he brings them up. Jerry Jones has his own football team he has to pay for. He's like, hold on, hold on. I'm going to have to let CD Lam go because I need to buy a quarterback for the Arkansas Razorbacks. That's not going to work. But yeah, Arkansas is trying to compete in a bunch of sports. So you do have your donors. But if you're spreading that money around, instead of just all putting it into one sport, it's really hard, especially football, because football is the most expensive sport. If you want to win, you have to spend far more there than you do in basketball.

Speaker 2:
[57:38] Just because Michael Jordan went to North Carolina doesn't mean that he's bankrolling athletics.

Speaker 4:
[57:44] Correct.

Speaker 2:
[57:44] And in fact, my understanding is that he's, my understanding is that he's a lot more of the school giver than he is somebody who's just cutting checks for the football team. Yeah. Now his racing team, he'll cut whatever. That Wilmington boy is winning NASCAR races.

Speaker 4:
[58:01] He loves racing.

Speaker 5:
[58:02] He loves it.

Speaker 4:
[58:04] Are you kidding me?

Speaker 2:
[58:04] Yeah. He'll spend money on the Big Rock Fishing Tournament down in Morehead City. He'll spend money on his racing team. He's living out all of the childhood dreams of somebody that grew up in Wilmington, North Carolina. He'll cut checks for those, but he ain't cutting checks for Luka Bogavac.

Speaker 4:
[58:22] Because you think of like, if you grew up when Michael Jordan was playing, and you think of like what his public image was as an NBA player, where it was just like, you know, the sophisticated businessman, blah, blah, blah, the cold, the cold stone cold killer on the court. And now that he's retired, he's just a good old country boy.

Speaker 3:
[58:38] Yeah, he's so good. I love it.

Speaker 2:
[58:41] He looks so happy.

Speaker 4:
[58:43] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[58:43] You know?

Speaker 4:
[58:45] He's like, I'm fishing and racing and damn it, that's all I need to do.

Speaker 2:
[58:48] That's all I need to do.

Speaker 4:
[58:49] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[58:50] It's perfect. That's all I wanted. All right. Good stuff. Hey, listen, reminder. This is not the last Cover 3 podcast of the week. We are going to be back at 11 a.m. Eastern time. Same time, but on Friday, and that will be much more NFL Draft Talk. We'll be reacting to the first round on Thursday night, and then previewing day two and day three. A lot of the, what do we think about the decisions that were made, and who are some of the prospects that might have slipped through the cracks that we'd be excited to see go a little bit early on. Lots and lots of good stuff. A lot more NFL Draft coming up tomorrow. Oh, I did promise a little bit of Spotify reaction, didn't I?

Speaker 5:
[59:34] Should I say it furthermore?

Speaker 2:
[59:36] Okay, no, let's do it. So there was a little bit of a disappointment in our commentary about the Zach Branch arrest. I'm kind of off-handed. I don't think we made too much of an issue about it, but I did want to clarify that my, I don't want to speak for you, Tom. I remain, it continues to blow my mind, the antagonistic relationship between Athens Police and Georgia Football players. Because when we said dumb, we were not saying that Zach Branch is a dumb person. We were saying that the fact that that happened, and the series of events leading to that was dumb. That should not, we should not have reached multiple misdemeanors based on everything that was in the reporting of the incident. Everybody could have done better. Again, add it to the chapter of just wild, wildly antagonistic relationship between Athens Police Department and Georgia football players.

Speaker 4:
[60:37] Yeah, everybody involved is dumb, but only one of them is getting drafted this week. So one of them had far more to lose by just not doing it.

Speaker 2:
[60:47] When we were talking about fictional college football coaches, a little love for Coach Cline played by Henry Winkler. Him and Bobby Boucher turned the mud dogs around in the Waterboy.

Speaker 4:
[60:58] Sorry. Sorry, coach.

Speaker 2:
[61:01] Sorry. Sorry that we let you know. No, no.

Speaker 4:
[61:03] You know what? I'm not sorry. He's not a good coach. Bobby Boucher was the only reason that team turned around. It wasn't coaching. It was Bobby Boucher getting pissed off because, you know, whatever. So it was like Bobby shows up. He wasn't even on the team. He wasn't recruited there. He was the Waterboy. He was there the entire time. And the coach didn't realize he had this transcendent force that could turn around a football program until Bobby Boucher forced the issue. No, that's a terrible coach. Born on third base ass.

Speaker 2:
[61:32] No, speaking of ass, it's all about what mama don't know won't hurt her. Because mama told me not to get a tattoo of Roy Orbison. Well, mama don't know won't hurt her. And then Marty Daniels, whoops. What was Marty Daniels as a college? Oh, Blue Mountain State.

Speaker 4:
[61:53] I didn't watch it. I never saw it.

Speaker 2:
[61:55] I have to check.

Speaker 4:
[61:56] Reacher was on it.

Speaker 2:
[61:58] Well, I have to go back and give that one. I think I might have had Blue Mountain State on my radar like 15 years ago or so, but it's been a minute. We appreciate everybody who continues to chime in. We got that Spotify mailbag question about Ward Manual last week. The person who asked it jumped back in and wanted to point it out. Lots more coming from our collection of tailgate attendees over on Spotify. Again, the big old bag of mail, five-star mailbag. You leave us a five-star review. You can also reach out to us individually. Good questions, whether email, Twitter, or the like, they have gotten included in mailbag episodes and we'll continue to in the future.

Speaker 4:
[62:41] It's Roy Orbison's birthday today.

Speaker 2:
[62:43] No way.

Speaker 4:
[62:44] Yeah. I mean, he's dead. So it's not celebrating it. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[62:57] Mercy. All right.

Speaker 4:
[62:59] We will be back.

Speaker 2:
[63:02] I was thinking, I had the guitar tab in my head of like 042202, you know.

Speaker 4:
[63:09] I appreciate that you're a number guy and not a note guy.

Speaker 2:
[63:12] Yeah. Absolutely. Because I'm an auditor. I taught myself.

Speaker 4:
[63:15] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[63:15] So that's how I had to learn.

Speaker 4:
[63:17] People would tell me the notes. I'd be like, what number on that is? What fret is that?

Speaker 2:
[63:20] What fret is that? Yeah. All right. We will be back Friday, 11 a.m. Eastern time with a little NFL Draft live chat. You come bring your questions. We'll have our analysis. And you can follow him on Twitter at Tom Fornelli. You can follow me at Chip underscore Patterson. Gentlemen, thank you very much.

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