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Speaker 1:
[01:30] This is The Dan LeBatard Show with Stugotz Podcast.
Speaker 9:
[01:37] Just for the record, Kalen DeBoer's new contract 12 and a half mil a year with a whole lot of perks. One of the top five college football coaches in terms of salary. It's Cignetti, it's Kirby Smart, it's Lane Kiffin, it's Ryan Day and you explain why?
Speaker 6:
[01:54] Why?
Speaker 1:
[01:55] Who else?
Speaker 9:
[01:56] Why? I will keep asking why? Someone explain it to me. It's a simple question. Somebody give me an answer.
Speaker 11:
[02:04] Because there's nobody better and they're afraid of losing him and somebody worse coming in.
Speaker 12:
[02:09] Agents rule the world.
Speaker 13:
[02:10] How many perks a day does he get?
Speaker 8:
[02:11] Yeah, but like the agents rule the world part would have made more sense if this happened two months ago.
Speaker 9:
[02:17] $16,800 annual automobile allowance. A skybox, parking passes, 15 general admission tickets, road game tickets, free travel for spouse and dependents, country club membership, cell phone stipend.
Speaker 12:
[02:32] That's why it took two months.
Speaker 8:
[02:33] Cell phone stipend?
Speaker 12:
[02:35] Yeah, that's the stuff that they usually get. It's ugly when you have parts through the contract, but it's par for the course.
Speaker 13:
[02:41] What thing doesn't fit there, though? How much could the cell phone be compared to the others?
Speaker 8:
[02:46] Which package do you think he's allowed? It's whatever package he chooses.
Speaker 12:
[02:50] I don't know, these public institutions have to release all this stuff. There was something that was filed, Bowling Green's athletic department used private jets in the top 10. You're like, what? Why?
Speaker 9:
[03:04] He's the state's highest paid employee by miles, correct?
Speaker 12:
[03:09] Why?
Speaker 9:
[03:09] We got a draft party tonight.
Speaker 14:
[03:11] Draft watch.
Speaker 9:
[03:12] Love for you to be a part of it. We don't know when it's going to end, but we are going to enjoy ourselves the entirety of what we're doing. Mike is very excited about just a couple of things that I have seen in entertainment that are coming. And it's the Tom Cruise level of excitement, which is the highest level of excitement. Okay? He cannot stop talking about whatever is going to happen with the remake of Heat and the Miami Vice, this Miami Vice project that is going to, I don't know why this has you so excited.
Speaker 12:
[03:43] Well, can you tell him a Michael Mann guy? Because Miami Vice, Michael Mann's thing, and Heat, obviously, Michael Mann's thing. Miami Vice, we saw Michael Mann try to tackle it, and he actually said, the only way I can get this cop movie that I always wanted made was to call it Miami Vice. He kind of wanted to get away from that. But this is a franchise that if done right has legs, and we've seen the casting news. First off, the director that's attached to it is a hugely successful one. Brought back the Top Gun franchise with Top Gun Maverick alongside Tom Cruise.
Speaker 8:
[04:15] What a movie.
Speaker 12:
[04:16] Saved Cinema. And so he's doing this Miami Vice picture. Michael B. Jordan and Austin Butler are attached.
Speaker 8:
[04:24] Are they Crockett and Tubbs?
Speaker 12:
[04:25] They are Crockett and Tubbs. Yesterday we got a title for this movie, and it made me so excited. The title for Miami Vice is not just Miami Vice. It's Miami Vice 85. Folks, this is going to be a period piece. We are going to get this incredible team of creatives to recreate 1980s Miami. This is how we want to see Miami Vice. We don't want to see modern haircuts and modern fashion, and although it was a banger, non-point doing In the Air Tonight. We want In the Air Tonight by Phil Collins. We want the music, the style. Max Club Deuce, we want it all. The Viceroy, we want you to recreate Miami as it was in the 80s because that's the only way that Miami Vice is cool. And by the way, rewatch it. Miami Vice somehow is still cool.
Speaker 9:
[05:18] I will, if I only have, you know, I want to watch four minutes, go back to my childhood, for 22 minutes of chewing, it's not a great show, but stylistically, it's a great show.
Speaker 12:
[05:30] Super stylistic, yes, hugely influential, and there are certain shots in that film when Crockett and Tubbs are in the car getting ready for like, perhaps their last job together.
Speaker 8:
[05:40] Hell yeah.
Speaker 12:
[05:41] When Sonny goes and tries to get some arms deal and he blows up, his car gets blown up, the dude dying at a highlight match, iconic moments, Liam Neeson being one of the great villains in that show.
Speaker 8:
[05:54] Ed O'Neill was a cocaine dealer.
Speaker 12:
[05:55] That's right. Yes, it was super 80s, it was super influential, and the soundtrack adjacent to it, I mean, we still talk about it to this day. I am so pumped that it gets to be Miami Vice in 1985.
Speaker 9:
[06:08] Yeah, but Zas, you can be into it, and what's been happening here, Zas, I don't know if this is happening to the rest of you. He was into that Michael movie, the Michael Jackson movie, and then Public Opinion ends up making it, so he'll never see that movie, and I wonder how much that's happening. Is that happening to everybody now? Like, you talk about your enthusiasm for this, and I don't believe the audience at large has got the enthusiasm that we in Miami would have for 1985 Miami being brought back to life, but Michael, I saw here locally a Broadway, an off-Broadway type of show of celebrating Michael Jackson.
Speaker 8:
[06:46] I went too.
Speaker 9:
[06:47] And it was great.
Speaker 8:
[06:48] Great.
Speaker 9:
[06:49] And it was great because the people, well, because the character playing Michael Jackson was believable is why it was great, but also the story of Michael Jackson is an interesting one. But what happened? It's getting panned. It's getting, because I would imagine everybody would want to see a Michael Jackson movie.
Speaker 8:
[07:06] So this movie, Michael, is coming to theaters this week. Yeah, this weekend it's coming out and it's getting panned. It's getting destroyed. Right now on Rotten Tomatoes, there's no audience score yet, which means there have been no early showings. That's never really a good sign. The media score is 38%. So that's obviously very low, but I've seen, like I read Roger Ebert's review. It's really, really bad. Yeah.
Speaker 12:
[07:33] How do you find time to do that?
Speaker 8:
[07:35] You know what? That's my mistake. I know what you're gonna say.
Speaker 12:
[07:39] Yeah, he's been dead for quite some time. He has a website though, so posthumously.
Speaker 8:
[07:43] That's where I saw it then.
Speaker 12:
[07:44] Yeah, but it wasn't his. That'd be something.
Speaker 8:
[07:47] All right, but that's not a find then. If I saw it on rogerebert.com, which is his site, like that's okay, right?
Speaker 12:
[07:52] He died in 2013.
Speaker 8:
[07:54] All right, but he's still pumping out reviews.
Speaker 12:
[07:56] I think this is a find.
Speaker 13:
[07:58] Long enough ago where he could forget.
Speaker 9:
[07:59] Is it a $50 find? He's not killing somebody.
Speaker 12:
[08:02] We've never brought somebody back.
Speaker 9:
[08:03] Should he get $50?
Speaker 8:
[08:04] Dan, he's still pumping out reviews.
Speaker 9:
[08:06] I know rogerebert.com is still a thing. You're, I don't.
Speaker 8:
[08:10] I didn't say Roger Ebert's alive.
Speaker 9:
[08:12] Well, no, but you did say, you said Roger Ebert panned it.
Speaker 8:
[08:16] I saw Roger Ebert's review, and it was panned.
Speaker 13:
[08:20] If he's got a website, this is a play on. He saw it on the website.
Speaker 9:
[08:24] But he was claiming that Roger Ebert from the beyond was raising hell on the Michael documentary 10 years late because everybody knows he's dead.
Speaker 12:
[08:32] Right, we're getting bogged down. Just take $25 out of your wallet.
Speaker 8:
[08:35] Man, all right, fine. So here's the thing. I, like, I'm a fan.
Speaker 9:
[08:39] All right, fine. It's a fine. You gotta take the money out.
Speaker 8:
[08:41] Okay, I don't have my, do you want me to leave the room and get my wallet into my bag? I don't have it right now.
Speaker 6:
[08:46] I think we actually owe my boy Zas $20 for resuscitating my boy back to life.
Speaker 8:
[08:52] That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 12:
[08:53] It, we don't have a template for this. I guess you're right there, JuJu.
Speaker 8:
[08:57] I mean, did everyone know, even though he passed away, that there's a rogerebert.com doing movie reviews? Sounds like I just did the guy a solid. Yep. Right. Little plug ski.
Speaker 12:
[09:05] So, a lot like documentaries, Dan, you can't really get the rights to the music if the family doesn't approve. We saw this with the Prince documentary. We saw this with the Queen film that, you know, didn't really get into the stuff that you wanted them to get into. Even Elvis' estate had to approve this script. And how do you tell Michael Jackson's story without the King of Pop's music? And, you know, I don't know if you know this about Michael Jackson, but there's some off-field concerns here that should be addressed.
Speaker 13:
[09:36] Wait a minute. They don't have the music?
Speaker 12:
[09:38] You can't, no, no, no. The estate controls the music.
Speaker 9:
[09:41] But like, the movie exists? No, Chris, they have the music. In exchange for that, they're not talking about any of the pedophilia stuff.
Speaker 8:
[09:47] Yeah, apparently most of the movie is the music. But they don't address a lot of the scandal. Janet Jackson apparently doesn't even exist in this world.
Speaker 12:
[09:58] If you start hearing the musicians' music in the trailer, already apply some scrutiny that this is probably not going to be a super honest look at this individual because to clear the music, you have to run it through the estate, and the estate is going to want something favorable.
Speaker 11:
[10:15] What about the Pepsi commercial where he burns his hair? You think that's in there?
Speaker 6:
[10:19] I'm pretty sure it's in there. I think the most disappointing part of this, it's not the movie that's getting the reviews. It's not the actual facts in the movie that's getting the bad reviews. It's the surface level stuff that people are complaining about. The makeup, the lighting, the extras, and that's what's embarrassing about Michael being bad.
Speaker 12:
[10:39] I like that song. That was a good one. Wesley Snipes.
Speaker 9:
[10:42] Good dismount.
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Speaker 1:
[13:15] Dan LeBatard.
Speaker 6:
[13:17] You got to know, I'm a big Colombo guy. Salute to that boy.
Speaker 9:
[13:20] Okay, I don't think that's proof. I don't think that's proof. I think that could be a lie.
Speaker 6:
[13:26] I don't think that's-
Speaker 9:
[13:27] He said salute. I don't think that is evidence. Salute to that boy. It suggests camouflage. It suggests that Juju has no idea what we're talking about. And now he's just Googling it.
Speaker 6:
[13:39] Stugotz. I'm not Googling it. My grandmama stayed in the country. I watched The Braves. I watched Columbo. I watched Matlock. I watched Andy Griffin. Salute to you, sir. But you go to the pill in the box. Back to you Stu.
Speaker 1:
[13:56] This is the Dan Lebatar Show, with the Stu Guards.
Speaker 9:
[14:06] The idea though that Mike just is glossing over, I'm curious whether anybody cares about what I'm about to say. So Ezra Edelman does the OJ. Simpson documentary. It is, you know, one of the best things in the history of documentaries. It wins an Oscar. His next work, chosen very carefully, was to do the same sort of deep dive on print. There's no way that the estate was gonna end up approving that documentary, which was gonna have just honest facts that were going to probably ruin the reputation of prints in some way.
Speaker 12:
[14:39] Well, you say no way. There was one way. Capitulate and tell a dishonest version of the print story or one that goes against the story you wanted to tell.
Speaker 9:
[14:47] So, but you guys get bogged down. You guys tell me that I stirred too much in the muck of, you got to trade access for truth. That's the trade. We're headed everywhere in media and content into that.
Speaker 11:
[15:00] That's what I was saying earlier.
Speaker 9:
[15:03] That is correct. You were correct back then, and you are correct again. But as it relates to what I'm saying, as I'm saying this to the audience, and I say the prince is the subject matter, can I get a broad appeal here on would anybody be interested in a 10-part prince documentary told by the documentarian who did the whatever, seven-part OJ documentary? Everyone listening to this is going to say, I will watch that, that it's not going to get made.
Speaker 12:
[15:33] No, I would say depends, is Little Red Corvette included?
Speaker 9:
[15:37] The point is, the movie has been made and will never see the light of day because you need the music, and that's the trade. You good with that?
Speaker 12:
[15:45] No, no, but it's the way that things go. And look, that's, you can still make a movie that is good and interesting and has great performances in it. We saw for the Queen film, best actor award was handed out. For Elvis, best actor award was handed out. You can still tell compelling stories, and you gotta kinda treat these like jukebox musicals, like all right, look, I just like Queen. Just play Queen songs and I'm good and have some kind of story, but it's not totally honest. And with Michael Jackson, where his exploits are so well known, when you dance around that topic, you're already fighting a losing battle, no matter how great the music is, no matter how cool of a big, long music video it looks like.
Speaker 9:
[16:31] But when you guys say though that you're excited about, we have different tastes, everyone has different tastes, but you were excited about Michael or he is excited about Miami Vice 85, there's not a lot you can put in front of me in terms of entertainment that you will say, this director, Ezra Edelman, on this subject, Prince, is something I would want to see more. And it's made and I'm never going to get to see it. You're never going to get to see it. How do you feel about that in general when I tell you this thing that would be really exciting is made but it needs an approval of the estate that it's never going to get and the estate is too powerful. I don't know how much I can put in front of you guys. I don't know the Lost Wu Tang album that was bought by a Pharma bro that no one gets to hear. Like what can I put in front of you guys that I'm like look at this thing over here. It's made but it's forbidden.
Speaker 8:
[17:31] Like are you asking would I rather them take some of the truth out of it so that I could watch the movie?
Speaker 9:
[17:37] I don't know what that trade is. I'm just telling you this director on this subject matter the movie's made and I really would want to see it and so would you. Like everyone listening to this all of you would want to see this.
Speaker 8:
[17:49] What if, what if he gives you the movie, what if he releases the movie but he gives you the time codes when you should play certain songs of Prince and you can like play it on your phone while you're watching the movie.
Speaker 6:
[18:01] Zas, you are on fire today my boy.
Speaker 8:
[18:05] Right?
Speaker 6:
[18:05] Yes sir.
Speaker 9:
[18:06] That's a good idea, make it an interactive movie experience. That would probably be something the estate would also have problems with.
Speaker 12:
[18:14] You can tell a Michael Jackson story that's completely unauthorized that focuses on the crisis management of all the allegations. And that's a different film, and I think there would be an audience for that film, but you would need certain likeness approvals. It's a complicated thing. And unfortunately, these movies do huge numbers. I understand that it's getting critically panned. He's a king of pop. He's a global sensation, especially worldwide. These things do numbers, and you don't actually, if you're the estate, you don't actually have to tell the truth. You're plenty rewarded for not.
Speaker 9:
[18:49] Is this the most interesting thing the Suns are going to do in the playoffs this season?
Speaker 8:
[18:53] James was terrible tonight, through and through.
Speaker 9:
[18:57] Will there be anything more interesting than that in this series from the Phoenix Suns?
Speaker 12:
[19:03] No.
Speaker 9:
[19:05] Dylan Brooks and Devin Booker were going to be a thing. That was a one, like that, not Dylan Brooks, but Devin Booker was on the ascent in the league. Everything that happened there happened pretty quickly, where you are looking at the difference between those teams and also OKC has all the future draft picks. That kind of stinks, right? Like, I mean, Ishbiah Gott in the game, one of these fancy billionaires, I'm gonna buy my way in, I'm gonna win everything, I got Devin Booker, get me Kevin Durant, and he's, what, a million miles away?
Speaker 8:
[19:35] How are we all gonna feel if on May 10th, while the Oklahoma City Thunder are still active in the playoffs, they draw the number one overall pick in the draft?
Speaker 12:
[19:43] I think it should start being asked, is Sam Presti the greatest general manager in the history of that sport?
Speaker 9:
[19:51] 100%.
Speaker 12:
[19:51] He nails the draft picks, and keep in mind how he rebuilt. When everyone said you should tank right then, no, I'll get Paul George. Like, he found ways to be aggressive. Oh, why has this kind of side deal with Paul George? Okay, let me turn that into picks. Well, there were some lean years over there. He had competitive teams and you knew he could build a championship contender, and now not only are they running the sport, but they are built for future success. I don't know who's better at it than him.
Speaker 6:
[20:19] Multiple MVPs in KD and Westbrook. Now he's got Jared McCain over here feeling free and looks like he found his people.
Speaker 12:
[20:27] Dude, I know it sounds hyperbolic and there have been all-time great GMs. You need to have that conversation right now that he might be the greatest.
Speaker 11:
[20:34] I think there's an argument, but I think it's still, in terms of talent evaluation and greatest of all time at that, gotta be Jerry West.
Speaker 9:
[20:43] That is bold. How dare you?
Speaker 13:
[20:46] Hey, Mike just came for Jerry West's titles.
Speaker 12:
[20:49] This is the company that he keeps and you need to talk to him about it like that.
Speaker 9:
[20:53] Should Presti be the logo? That is the future of basketball. Let's have him with whatever it is signifies an accountant or like, let's change the logo. Put it on the poll at Lebatard Show. Should Sam Presti replace the logo Jerry West through and through? James was terrible. Jeremy is still lurking around the proceedings after being banished. Do your baseball things, baseball boy, alone or with others. Pitch Clock is next. Play the Cowherd's House.
Speaker 7:
[21:31] I saw Michael Jordan play at 40 years old. LeBron is 34 years old. He will never be as good as Michael Jordan was at 40. LeBron James at 40 will not be in an NBA game six years from now. And we're all going, wow, LeBron against Milwaukee. He's easily the best player on the floor. But I'll tell you one thing, LeBron will never be as good as Jordan at 40.
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[23:26] Sometimes I feel like we're all really good at handling everything around us and just ignoring what's going on in our own head. Like your phone breaks, you fix it immediately. Your car makes a weird noise. You're like, all right, let's figure this one out. But then your brain's off. Stress, burnout, not sleeping right. We just kind of go, yeah, I'll deal with it later. And later just keeps moving and moving and moving. And that's why therapy matters. Not because something's wrong, because it gives you a way to sort things out before it all stacks up. The problem is that actually getting started has always felt like a process. Finding someone figuring out insurance, waiting weeks just to talk to somebody. And that's usually where people tap out. And that's where RULA comes in. RULA is a health care provider group that makes therapy easier to actually access. They connect you with licensed therapists who take your insurance, and sessions can be as low as 15 bucks. You answer a few questions, find someone who fits what you need, and you can be talking to someone as soon as the next day. Thousands of guys have already used RULA to finally get the care that they need. Don't keep putting it off. Go to rula.com/dan and get started today. That's RULA R U L a.com/dan. Take the first step, get connected, and take control of your mental health.
Speaker 12:
[24:30] Hey Roy buddy, you know that energy shift when the game gets good and everybody altogether in unison knows to stand up on their feet?
Speaker 7:
[24:38] Oh absolutely Mike.
Speaker 12:
[24:39] Yeah you've been at many big time sporting events. You know that moment quite well. That's what it's like when you take your first sip of Cuervo.
Speaker 7:
[24:47] Oh delicious.
Speaker 12:
[24:48] It's the signal that says, we're not checking the time anymore pal. It's when small talk turns into stories. Cuervo man, it's that high five random stranger effect. That's right. The game is popping. You're hugging people you never met before. That's the kind of energy that Cuervo brings. It's so smooth, so delicious. That's the Cuervo effect. Keep it Cuervo.
Speaker 1:
[25:12] Dan Lebatard.
Speaker 8:
[25:13] Can I tell you something? I don't know, maybe like a month ago. And I decided to watch Pitch Clock. And I told Jeremy, Stugotz. This is a good show you're doing.
Speaker 1:
[25:24] This is the Dan Lebatard Show with Stugotz.
Speaker 14:
[25:27] I'm not losing today.
Speaker 8:
[25:28] Yeah, you are.
Speaker 14:
[25:29] I'm not.
Speaker 13:
[25:30] You're going to be a loser.
Speaker 14:
[25:32] No, I feel like last week was the aberration. My goal this season is every four game series, so every month. I'm taking three or four. I'm not splitting.
Speaker 13:
[25:43] I know what aberration means.
Speaker 14:
[25:45] But Ethan doesn't, so explain it for him. Welcome to the Pitch Clock. Here's the Pitch, a two-part baseball segment combining a nostalgic baseball trivia game and an interview with an expert. This is the Pitch Clock. It's a brand new episode of the Pitch Clock. Hi, everybody. I'm here. Chris Cody is here. Ethan Badowski is here. We're going to have Bobby Wagner with us, not the former Seahawks linebacker, but the host of the Tipping Pitches podcast and a gigantic Mets fan. We're just going to let him crash out a little bit.
Speaker 13:
[26:22] I don't hate the idea of you just interviewing random NFL linebackers about baseball.
Speaker 14:
[26:26] Brian Cushing, Clay Matthews, Bobby Wagner. Anyway, we're going to go ahead and get to our game right here with Ethan because, Ethan, I feel like we're heading back to something special that the fans really enjoy.
Speaker 10:
[26:41] Yeah, this is a favorite of the horn sections as I go to my Blues Brothers reference.
Speaker 14:
[26:45] Yeah, we all really want Blues Brothers references.
Speaker 7:
[26:48] That's a great movie.
Speaker 14:
[26:49] You know what, anyone who really likes baseball, probably the Venn diagram there, probably pretty good.
Speaker 10:
[26:54] All right, so we're going to go back in the way back machine. We're going to go back to 501 trivia. So for a refresher for those at home, what we're going to do is I'm going to give Jeremy and Chris a category. Okay, and we are going to, they're going to name players off. They're going to try and get down to zero, pass zero from 501 and the closest person to zero once they get on the other side of it is going to win. We're going to play two out of three here. I'm not sure that was the greatest description, but follow along.
Speaker 14:
[27:23] No, it's good. Start at 501. We go off a stat. We have to get past zero. Whoever's closest to zero wins. We're playing best two out of three.
Speaker 10:
[27:31] You guys won't be surprised. What's our favorite baseball year on this podcast?
Speaker 14:
[27:34] 2005.
Speaker 10:
[27:35] 2005. We're going to do 2005.
Speaker 14:
[27:37] Awesome.
Speaker 10:
[27:37] And we're going to do walks in 2005.
Speaker 14:
[27:40] Okay.
Speaker 13:
[27:42] As a hitter.
Speaker 10:
[27:43] As a hitter.
Speaker 14:
[27:44] And Chris Cody won, so he gets to go first. Yeah.
Speaker 13:
[27:47] You know what that means. Are we ready? Barry Bonds. Damn it.
Speaker 10:
[27:55] Chris Cody.
Speaker 14:
[27:56] Damn it.
Speaker 10:
[27:56] You're going to really hate this.
Speaker 14:
[27:58] Uh-oh.
Speaker 10:
[27:58] Barry Bonds was injured in 2005.
Speaker 13:
[28:02] You're a piece of s**t for picking.
Speaker 10:
[28:04] You did.
Speaker 13:
[28:05] You know what you did. Picking that stat.
Speaker 10:
[28:07] I actually didn't know what I did because when I looked up the walks leaders in 2005, I was like, where the hell is Barry Bonds? Barry Bonds played 14 games in 2005.
Speaker 13:
[28:18] So he probably walked 78 times.
Speaker 10:
[28:20] Barry Bonds had nine.
Speaker 14:
[28:22] So Barry Bonds had nine walks.
Speaker 13:
[28:23] Yeah.
Speaker 14:
[28:24] Albert Poulos.
Speaker 10:
[28:25] He had 97 walks.
Speaker 13:
[28:26] Kevin Euclis.
Speaker 14:
[28:28] Fun.
Speaker 13:
[28:32] I love it.
Speaker 8:
[28:32] It's like fun.
Speaker 14:
[28:34] I like that. I do. I like that. That's a fun name to pull.
Speaker 10:
[28:38] That was his second year in the league. He played 44 games. He had 14 walks.
Speaker 3:
[28:42] All right. Not a great start for me.
Speaker 14:
[28:43] Oh my.
Speaker 3:
[28:44] Okay.
Speaker 14:
[28:46] My next pick is going to be in 2005. Alex Rodriguez.
Speaker 10:
[28:53] Alex Rodriguez was 12th in the league with 91 walks.
Speaker 14:
[28:57] All right. Inch in my way there.
Speaker 13:
[29:01] All right. So I get what you're doing here. Good players. Yeah.
Speaker 14:
[29:04] Good players normally walk more.
Speaker 13:
[29:06] I was just thinking of good eyes, like guys that I think of from that era that were like Nick.
Speaker 14:
[29:09] I've got one in my head to go next. You were about to say Nick.
Speaker 13:
[29:13] I'm going to say Nick Johnson.
Speaker 14:
[29:14] I like that.
Speaker 13:
[29:14] I'm just going to stick with my strategy here and I'll go to better players in a second.
Speaker 14:
[29:18] You're doing a more fun thing, which is naming awesome names. Guys who have fun names also could walk.
Speaker 13:
[29:24] Yeah. Guys who are thought of of having a good eye.
Speaker 14:
[29:26] No, I like it.
Speaker 13:
[29:27] Yeah. Nick Johnson was in the 03 World Series, so he should have been playing full time at this point. He's probably with the Nationals at this point. Maybe still with the Yankees.
Speaker 10:
[29:37] Nick Johnson drew 80 walks. Okay.
Speaker 13:
[29:40] You're in the game.
Speaker 14:
[29:42] Our latest 2026 MLB expert is here. It's Bobby Wagner of Patreon and of the Baseball Podcast, Tipping Pitches. Very happy to have him here with me for a variety of reasons. One, good guy, good opinions, good baseball knowledge. Two, he's a Mets fan who's not wearing a Mets shirt right now because he is crashing out over what's happening with the Mets. At the time of this recording, the Mets have lost 11 straight games. Maybe that's different by today, Thursday, but Bobby, the Mets go.
Speaker 15:
[30:16] I'm going to go back to 2022. So 2022, the Mets have an incredible year. Nobody really saw it coming. Buck Showalter pressing all the right buttons, Francisco Lindor feeling like the prince who was promised my whole life. Things were going well. They obviously, the wheels fell off at the end of the year. After that season, after that historic collapse where all they had to do was win one of three in Atlanta to win the division and avoid the wild card game and playing the Padres who had bounced them in a game that Max Scherzer just was terrible in game one that I was at freezing my butt off. After this, I had a long hard look in the mirror myself. I was like, okay, I'm 26 years old, I'm going to be 27, I'm going to be 30 in a few years. I need to not invest so much emotion into this team. I need to not let them dictate my mood year over year. 2023, they were terrible. 2024 was very fun, obviously, but I made that call for myself. So this year, first couple of weeks we're all around. They look bad. They look really bad. I'm trying to be Mr. Patient who remembers when I looked at myself in the mirror for an hour after the 2022 season ended, and I said, you got to stop doing this. So I'm responding to them and I'm saying, it's going to be fine, still early. Here's this reason why it's going to be okay. Here's these things that look okay. Starting pitching was pretty good. Bullpen looks okay so far. Guys, bats are slow. They'll wake up, shake off the rust. Now I'm like full on, this is the worst team in baseball. They've lost 11 straight. They might as well lose 20. They might as well lose 30. It doesn't even matter. This is just going to free up more time for me to be a normal human being who doesn't lose his mind every night about a baseball team that doesn't know I exist.
Speaker 14:
[31:52] It's perfect. And I will just say, and I, and I apologize for cashing in on your misery first of all, but also as do I love to play the clown.
Speaker 15:
[32:00] I love to play the circus clown.
Speaker 14:
[32:02] And that's what we like around here. Let's move past the Mets. Let's get to some of the other topics we have around baseball because there is a really kind of fascinating thing that happened over the last weekend, which is two franchises that in many ways couldn't be in more opposite places headed into this year, which is the Dodgers, the back-to-back World Series champion, and the Rockies, who have been dreadful for many, many years. And they play over the weekend. And after a game in which the Rockies score a bunch of runs and beat the Dodgers, Dalton Rushing, the catcher of the Dodgers, essentially accuses the Rockies of cheating. He says that it's fishy that they swing and make good contact off the first pitch as often as they do. I found it very strange and that of course the really fun part is that then the next day the Rockies score even more and they're doing like a real in celebration every time they get to the bases. They're tweeting out things about the first pitch. It's awesome. What did you make of this entire situation as it was going on?
Speaker 15:
[33:04] You know, like a couple of weeks ago, I think Garrett Crochet got blown up for like 10 runs or something. And when a guy that good gets hit around like that, yeah, maybe he was tipping his pitches. And were the Dodgers tipping against the Rockies? Potentially. It doesn't mean it was cheating, as you know, because you've been playing baseball for a long time. You've been around the baseball world your whole life. This happened before we were stealing signs illegally. It will happen. It happened during when we were stealing signs illegally. Not all of that was illegal. And it will continue to happen after, hopefully, we are in the after phase. You never really know.
Speaker 14:
[33:36] That is right.
Speaker 15:
[33:37] Like the Rockies can have a good night. They're a bumbling franchise, but they can have a good night at the plate, certainly in Cores, you know?
Speaker 14:
[33:44] Absolutely. Look, their offense has not been so terrible. Now, did they get swept in the first series of the year here in Miami and look slightly incompetent at times? Yes, they're going to have those moments throughout the year. But I do love that it's like the Dodgers lose one game to a team that they're not supposed to. And it's like, oh, they must be cheating. They must be cheating for us to be able to give up that many runs to the Rockies. I'm going to go Jason Giambi.
Speaker 10:
[34:12] Giambi was fourth in the league with 108 walks.
Speaker 14:
[34:15] Of course he was.
Speaker 10:
[34:16] So that'll get us down to 205, I believe. Yep. If I do the math correctly. Yep.
Speaker 13:
[34:23] Cody, Manny Ramirez.
Speaker 14:
[34:25] There we are.
Speaker 10:
[34:26] We're going to good players now. Manny Ramirez, 80 walks as well. So two.
Speaker 14:
[34:32] Wow, Nick Johnson and Manny Ramirez had the same amount of walks.
Speaker 13:
[34:37] That should be a point for me.
Speaker 10:
[34:38] Cody, you're at 318.
Speaker 6:
[34:39] OK.
Speaker 14:
[34:40] All right. Well, I'm going to go Poppy.
Speaker 6:
[34:43] Damn. That's a good one.
Speaker 10:
[34:45] Poppy, sixth with 102.
Speaker 13:
[34:48] That was good when I take the guy.
Speaker 14:
[34:49] I am down to 103. 103. But see, so he was sixth. You just said. Yes, correct. OK.
Speaker 13:
[34:58] Whatever. I'll just keep going. I'll just guess his name. I'll keep thinking. Jeter. He had a good eye.
Speaker 10:
[35:05] Jeter, 26th with 77.
Speaker 14:
[35:08] You know what? Better than I thought that was going to be.
Speaker 10:
[35:10] Cody, you're at 241 after Jeter.
Speaker 14:
[35:14] All right, so I'm at 103 and you said Giambi. Oh, Olivia just walked in. We said at the end of last episode that Olivia was going to be here every time. Let's see if Chris's luck changes after this. Olivia just walked in here. All right. So you said Giambi was sixth at 102. So I'm going for the best I can get. I'm going to go, I think this was the year, like his career year, Derek Lee. But I don't know if he walked a lot.
Speaker 10:
[35:38] This was Derek Lee's career year, I'm pretty sure in 05. It was either 04 or 05. He had 85 walks this year. So you're really close now, Jerbeare.
Speaker 14:
[35:46] Yeah, but see, I'm not so sure I want that. All right, I'm at 18.
Speaker 10:
[35:52] You're at 18.
Speaker 13:
[35:54] The board is yours, Carlos Delgado.
Speaker 14:
[35:57] That was one of the two other names I was thinking of.
Speaker 13:
[35:59] It just kind of popped in my head.
Speaker 14:
[36:00] That's a great one. Has to be really good.
Speaker 10:
[36:03] 72 walks.
Speaker 14:
[36:04] Ooh, I'm gonna start playing a game here. I'm nervous to go with the strategy that I'm thinking of.
Speaker 10:
[36:11] Chris Cody, after Carlos Delgado, you're at 169 and Jeremy is at 18.
Speaker 14:
[36:16] All right.
Speaker 10:
[36:18] You have a lot of leeway here, dude.
Speaker 14:
[36:21] Ah, Dantrell Willis, probably had like three. So that was the year he should have won the Cy Young over Chris Carpenter.
Speaker 10:
[36:33] Did somebody say three walks? He drew three.
Speaker 13:
[36:35] All right, down to 15.
Speaker 14:
[36:38] Wasn't my best idea.
Speaker 13:
[36:42] Come on, Chris.
Speaker 14:
[36:43] Ooh, I've got a name that might work here.
Speaker 13:
[36:46] I got one. I just thought of a random name. This guy had to be good. He was one of the best hitters on his team, Ryan Zimmerman.
Speaker 14:
[36:54] That's the first year of the Washington Nationals.
Speaker 13:
[36:56] Is he like a rookie?
Speaker 14:
[36:57] This makes me nervous.
Speaker 10:
[36:58] 2005, this is his rookie year.
Speaker 13:
[37:00] Damn.
Speaker 10:
[37:01] Ooh.
Speaker 13:
[37:02] He had three walks.
Speaker 14:
[37:04] Tantro, Willis and Ryan Zimmerman had the same amount of walks.
Speaker 10:
[37:08] He only played 20 games to be fair.
Speaker 8:
[37:09] That's gross.
Speaker 13:
[37:11] So did Tantro.
Speaker 14:
[37:13] I want to go now with you over to the other side of town when it comes to LA. Because the Angels have a starter in José Soriano, who started this season with a 5-0 record, a.28 ERA. And every single metric shows the level of dominance. Like if you go look at his baseball savant page, and again, we are recording this on Tuesday. He starts on Tuesday night against the Blue Jays. Maybe some of these things have changed in terms of the numbers. It won't change the fact that this guy has been by far the best pitcher in baseball to start this year. Is this real? Like where did José Soriano become this person in the off season?
Speaker 15:
[37:54] It certainly is hard to make the case that it's not real through 30 innings. It's not like he's dinking and dunking his way to this now. He suddenly is striking guys out, which up until this point, so the Angels have gotten to this, like they've somewhat leaned into this archetype of like, we just draft guys who throw hard. Like we don't really know that much about pitching or hitting or how to build a cool stadium.
Speaker 14:
[38:15] Or about how, generally, baseball.
Speaker 15:
[38:17] How to keep the greatest baseball player of all time on our team or healthy when he is on our team. In the case of Mike Trout, like we don't really know that much about these sorts of things, but we do know, we look at college pitchers and when that radar gun says close to 100, we like that guy, we draft that guy and then we see what happens. And that was the case with José Soriano. He was just not striking anyone out. I mean, guys who throw sinkers, there's a reason that for a long time, the Pirates were the only franchise that was still telling people to just throw their sinker primarily. But now we've kind of like shifted back because the combination of like the sinker-splitter guy, being able to sort of trick guys into swinging over the top of that splitter, you're now seeing a little bit more, you're seeing more guys miss bats with that kind of profile, rather than just needing to throw the turbo sinker and have people mash it into the ground all the time, such as José Soriano was doing before, and then giving up sort of like hits that way. All of the numbers are like, yes, this guy is good. Xfip, Fip, Xera, ERA, you know, K per nine, whiff rate, like it is all good. For 30 innings, which is a small sample, but like not that small.
Speaker 14:
[39:24] It's enough innings that we can all look at those numbers and say, okay, this guy is a certified, very, very, very good pitcher, and will it be an undefeated season with an ERA under one? Absolutely not. Let's go ahead and, Soriano needed his own moment, but I want to get to our, what we refer to as our golden era star of the week because there are constantly stars all around Major League Baseball thriving. And right now, I just want to touch on a few of the guys who were right at the top of the league that we haven't mentioned yet thus far this season on the Pitch Clock. And that includes three guys who were near the top of the league and OPS in particular. You have Andy Pages, you have Jordán Álvarez who also is, I believe, leading Major League Baseball in home runs with 10 at the time of this recording. And if Sal Stewart, who's helping to lead the Reds, by the way, who were in first place, and he's been red hot all season long, I'll give you your choice here. Let's highlight one of those three players.
Speaker 15:
[40:26] Páez is a really interesting character to me because he's the exact kind of archetype of a player where like you see the raw tools, you see the pop, the power, you watch him swing and you're like, he has the makeup of a guy who could have that power, but he also struggled a little bit in those first couple of years at the plate, and his defense and his ability to play that fourth outfielder for a team that struggles with injuries, that has maybe their resources allocated into a different place, kept him in the organization, and then now over time, he's really just putting it all together and you're seeing all of those tools all at once. Like his arm is crazy. Like his arm in the outfield is just magic to watch. His average throw this year is at 94 miles per hour from the outfield. On a close play, like 94 for an outfielder. He's not throwing off of a mound. He's not a pitcher. And now suddenly, he's just the best hitter in the league. This will not hold most likely, but he's the best hitter in the league hitting seventh for the Dodgers.
Speaker 14:
[41:25] It's almost like that catch he made in the World Series just unlocked everything for him. He was having just a dreadful postseason, a dreadful World Series makes one catch, and now his entire career is different. Thank you for being with us. He's the host of the Tipping Pitches podcast. You can also find his work on Patreon.
Speaker 15:
[41:43] Thanks for having me, Jeremy. Appreciate it.
Speaker 14:
[41:45] Thank you. Let's get back to the trivia game. I just thought of a name. Lenny Harris.
Speaker 15:
[41:53] Oh, the pinch hit.
Speaker 13:
[41:54] God, dude. Oh, cause you only need 15.
Speaker 14:
[41:56] I need 15. I'm trying to stay close to zero. So I'm thinking a guy who's a pinch hitter.
Speaker 13:
[42:00] That's actually really good. Thank you.
Speaker 14:
[42:02] I hope so. It's the strategy of it.
Speaker 13:
[42:05] A pinch hitter type would have around 15 walks in a season.
Speaker 14:
[42:07] I hope so.
Speaker 10:
[42:08] He had seven.
Speaker 13:
[42:10] Okay. This is good. A couple of guys just popped into my head.
Speaker 14:
[42:14] And you're down to what? I'm sorry.
Speaker 10:
[42:17] 166.
Speaker 13:
[42:19] Right. Now I know this guy that just popped into my head, I know he struck out a lot, but it seems like he was also like a power hitter on a team. So I could see him being pitched around at times. Adam Dunn.
Speaker 10:
[42:30] Oh, he walked Adam Dunn walked a ton.
Speaker 14:
[42:32] He might have been.
Speaker 10:
[42:33] He was the first three true come true outcomes guy.
Speaker 14:
[42:36] He might have been at the top of this list.
Speaker 10:
[42:38] He is not at the top. He is third. 114.
Speaker 14:
[42:42] Oh, all right. For now, for now, I'm going not for now, but for oh, no, I know. I think I'm just going to stick with with with National League pitchers.
Speaker 13:
[42:56] Don't go with American League.
Speaker 10:
[42:57] Give me an name. Chris Carpenter. Chris Carpenter had five walks. Oh, he did? Five. How do you walk a pitcher five times?
Speaker 14:
[43:07] Oh, good Lord.
Speaker 10:
[43:08] So you're at three, Jeremy. So you need to get on the other side of zero. Okay.
Speaker 13:
[43:13] Boston Red Sox. Jason Veritek.
Speaker 10:
[43:16] Veritek had 62 walks. So Cody is over at negative 10. So Jeremy.
Speaker 14:
[43:22] All right.
Speaker 10:
[43:23] You need.
Speaker 14:
[43:23] No, I'm just going to.
Speaker 13:
[43:24] Less than 13.
Speaker 14:
[43:25] I get to keep going. Okay. Roy Oswalt.
Speaker 10:
[43:30] It'll be hilarious.
Speaker 13:
[43:31] But if he doesn't get to zero.
Speaker 14:
[43:33] Right. But then I go again.
Speaker 10:
[43:35] Roy Oswalt in 2005. Had two walks.
Speaker 14:
[43:40] You've got to be s***.
Speaker 13:
[43:44] Don't try to be cool with it now. Like, all right, I'll just say.
Speaker 14:
[43:46] No, I'm just trying to think of National League teams.
Speaker 13:
[43:48] And Matt Cain. That's probably too early for him.
Speaker 14:
[43:53] 2005. Matt Clement. Wow.
Speaker 10:
[43:58] Jeremy Tachay.
Speaker 14:
[43:59] I lose.
Speaker 10:
[44:00] You have gotten down to exactly zero. Matt Clement drew one walk in 2005 for the Boston Red Sox. That is an all time grinded out chip away. Like that was like Panthers winning 2-1 dirty right there, dude. That was impressive. That was 2-1 dirty for the Florida Panthers.
Speaker 14:
[44:21] Remember how I said at the beginning of the game, I'm not going to lose and then I did it perfectly. Yeah.
Speaker 13:
[44:26] I blame Olivia for not coming in the rooms sooner.
Speaker 14:
[44:28] Yeah, that's true. You would have won.
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