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Speaker 1:
[00:08] Hey everybody, this is not Tim. Once again, where is he? He's in DC, or Virginia. Where is he?

Speaker 2:
[00:16] He's schmoozing, he's schmoozing.

Speaker 3:
[00:18] He's schmoozing in DC, yes. He's not having a colonoscopy again.

Speaker 2:
[00:23] Not this time.

Speaker 1:
[00:23] Well, so, I know that we beat that to death last time.

Speaker 3:
[00:28] Let's do some more.

Speaker 2:
[00:30] Let's beat him up again.

Speaker 1:
[00:31] Is there a possibility there was like a follow-up scan or a biopsy?

Speaker 2:
[00:35] I mean, I would come up with an excuse to rather than say I've had two colonoscopies in six months.

Speaker 3:
[00:40] Yeah, that would be a little alarming.

Speaker 1:
[00:42] That's true. We're going to start asking questions.

Speaker 2:
[00:43] All right, check the logs for, it checks the logs at Walter Reed.

Speaker 1:
[00:47] Do they have the flight tracker for regular people too, like they do with the military planes? We can see where Tim is at.

Speaker 3:
[00:53] Yeah, I think Tim is actually working with our favorite Dark Money people down there.

Speaker 2:
[00:57] Let's go.

Speaker 3:
[00:58] All right.

Speaker 1:
[00:59] Yeah, I take back everything. I love that firehose of Dark Money.

Speaker 3:
[01:04] That's great. Who doesn't love Dark Money?

Speaker 1:
[01:07] So yeah, welcome to Find Out Podcast. I don't even know what I'm doing here.

Speaker 2:
[01:13] You gotta work on this, man. You're a fallback and you are, this is quite a step down.

Speaker 1:
[01:18] It's true. I am about an inch shorter than Tim, so it's a slight step down. What do people say? We have a great show for you today. We don't have a guest. You've got Rich, Zach, and Luke, and we are going to do our best to keep this show on track, even though Dad is not here to yell at us when we go over and give me weird looks when I'm going on too long. All of that stuff is up the window.

Speaker 3:
[01:46] I mean, Tim's job is hard. Let's be honest, I don't want to go on.

Speaker 2:
[01:49] Tim's job is hard.

Speaker 3:
[01:51] It's not easy.

Speaker 1:
[01:51] You just got to keep going, right? You're like, all right, and then always have the next thing locked up.

Speaker 3:
[01:56] Oh my god. I don't have any. Luckily, we have editors. So even if there's a five minute, like, well, what the fuck next, somebody will fix it in the back end.

Speaker 1:
[02:04] So we're just like on Twitter looking for Rage Bait for seven minutes. So it doesn't take seven minutes.

Speaker 2:
[02:11] Virginia.

Speaker 3:
[02:12] Redistricting.

Speaker 2:
[02:13] It passed.

Speaker 3:
[02:15] By how much? I want to see the numbers here because it's very close, very close.

Speaker 2:
[02:19] It's like 49 to 51 or something.

Speaker 3:
[02:22] Yeah, I think terrible.

Speaker 1:
[02:23] I think the expectation was that, yeah, 51, 49, 1.574 to 1.485.

Speaker 3:
[02:31] Oh my God. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[02:32] So I'll be totally honest. I was never quite sure how I felt about, about this referendum. Obviously, I would have voted for it. Because it's the same thing that's happening in Texas with Republicans. Virginia was not like, Kamala Harris won it by like six points or five points.

Speaker 3:
[02:56] Yeah, it wasn't a heavily Democratic.

Speaker 1:
[02:57] It was not a landslide. This is not a place where Democrats have 20 and 30 point margins everywhere to just like cut down. And so when you, when you spread your, your votes a little thinner, I mean, this is going to give them what, what is it, a 12 to one potentially or 11 to one or something like that.

Speaker 3:
[03:12] I think it's 10, 10 to one, I think.

Speaker 1:
[03:14] Right.

Speaker 3:
[03:14] It's like six to five or something now.

Speaker 1:
[03:16] Right, so, right. So right now it somewhat reflects, but it used to be gerrymandered worse for Republicans. So like, we all, we all know who started this, but this is a state that did kind of reflect the population. Of course, you know, fight fire with fire. And so we're doing what we have to do to get the biggest margin possible in 2026 and 2028. But there is a, this map is through the 2030 election and that is, that is the midterm after hopefully a Democrat is sworn in and the first midterm after the White House changes power is usually bad for the party in power. Unless you're killing it, unless you're doing everything right.

Speaker 3:
[03:58] Which we won't.

Speaker 1:
[04:01] You know, we have a pretty good track record of, like, Charlie Browning ourselves with this ball.

Speaker 3:
[04:09] Painful. Absolutely painful. Yeah, I don't know. But I mean, I do like from a fighting fire with fire perspective, I think it's great. You know, fuck these guys. Like the other thing that bothers me so much about it, I mean, it's not unexpected. But like the fact that Trump is just like pissed off about this, like you started it.

Speaker 2:
[04:26] You started this. Every every every fucking Republican that's up here like Democrats or fascists, they're doing gerrymandering. Motherfucker, you started this.

Speaker 3:
[04:34] Right.

Speaker 2:
[04:35] This is all on you.

Speaker 3:
[04:36] Like nobody and he did it like out of turn. Like it was like, no, just pass it now. Like nobody's ever done that before. Like he did it in the most unprecedented way. So it's like, what do you want that? Like I think they expected Democrats just like take it. And it's like, no, you know, no, I got to thank Gavin Newsom for that. I know he's not a fan of most people here, but I like him. I think he did a good job.

Speaker 1:
[04:54] I like I still like Gavin. Well, in California and Virginia still did it the right way, which is they put it to voters. You know, right. They allow the Democratic process. And that's why this was so close. I mean, Spanberger won by I think 15 points, you know, a whole like seven months ago, six months ago. And now this won by it looks like it's going to land at maybe three points. It's actually fifty one and a half to forty eight and a half. So yeah, still not great.

Speaker 3:
[05:18] That's that's what I don't like. Why, though? Like if she won by such a huge margin, who are these people who were like, yeah, but let's defend the Republican seats? Like, it makes no sense to me.

Speaker 1:
[05:29] What I saw was that turnout in some of the deep red districts was higher than it was for Trump in the twenty twenty four election.

Speaker 3:
[05:38] Wow.

Speaker 1:
[05:38] So Republicans were more angry about losing their their representative. Rightfully so. It's the people's house, right? Then they were excited to vote for Donald Trump, which like that's defensible. I don't know how anyone was excited to vote for Trump, but places where he was running up, you know, 20 and 30 and 40 point margins know one by like 50 points in some of those.

Speaker 3:
[06:00] Yeah, I'm looking at these different places here. Like, yeah, if you go way out to the west, all those counties are crazy numbers.

Speaker 4:
[06:06] literally maroon.

Speaker 1:
[06:08] 89 to 11 in Scott County, you know, 6,000 to 800.

Speaker 3:
[06:12] But still, yeah, versus the thing that's interesting, though, is you go to like Fairfax County and shit where there's a huge liberal population. Numbers aren't like awesome, like 70, 30. It's like, you know, a lot of people came out to vote against it. That's kind of weird.

Speaker 2:
[06:26] Right. And I think the I mean, I haven't seen numbers, but I have the vibe that turnout among us was not the same as it was to vote for Spamber.

Speaker 3:
[06:35] I guess it makes sense. I mean, I think a lot of people, it's like, they're only so engaged, you know, like at a certain point, they're like, I'm done. I don't care. She's in. Well, I did my part.

Speaker 1:
[06:44] Right, right. And yeah, right, because this is for the midterms. This is not for the actual leadership of your state. You know, local.

Speaker 2:
[06:50] Wow. Did you guys see the headline comparison between Washington Post about Texas and Washington Post about Virginia?

Speaker 1:
[06:58] Oh, God, no.

Speaker 2:
[06:59] The Texas gerrymander freak out. What's happening in the Lone Star state is not a threat to democracy. Virginia plunges America deeper into the gerrymandering abyss. The redistricting scheme was always a power grab by Democrats and voters went along with it.

Speaker 3:
[07:12] This is the Washington Post. That sounds like Fox News.

Speaker 1:
[07:16] Well, so that was the editorial board. Oh, so that was that's their editorial board, though.

Speaker 2:
[07:22] That's their editorial board.

Speaker 1:
[07:23] It's not an opinion written for their board. It is no, no, no, half the board.

Speaker 3:
[07:27] That's crazy. You what? That's I mean, that sounds like fucking Newsmax or some shit.

Speaker 2:
[07:33] That sounds like fucking fascism right there is what that sounds like.

Speaker 3:
[07:38] That's crazy. Holy shit.

Speaker 1:
[07:39] I mean, it is Jeff Bezos' editorial board.

Speaker 2:
[07:41] Exactly. That's oligarchy shit right there.

Speaker 1:
[07:44] Was the other one their own editorial board?

Speaker 4:
[07:47] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[07:48] Jesus Christ. OK.

Speaker 3:
[07:50] So fucked up. Holy shit. That's not what I.

Speaker 2:
[07:54] That is majorly fucked.

Speaker 1:
[07:56] Luke, that feels like a you video. We have a me video in the last episode, but that feels like a you video.

Speaker 4:
[08:02] That might be me.

Speaker 1:
[08:03] Jeff Bezos' handpicked editorial board. I don't know if they're handpicked.

Speaker 3:
[08:08] I like that. Just a fucking line, fuck the Washington Post over your head. You know, it's boom.

Speaker 2:
[08:13] Ooh, we're brainstorming here. We're cooking now, but that's fucking ridiculous.

Speaker 3:
[08:18] I love that.

Speaker 2:
[08:19] I knew it was coming and yet still.

Speaker 1:
[08:22] Like, yeah, it's still shocking when it's real. It still pisses you off. Well, their their tagline is democracy dies in darkness. And I'm like, wait, say democracy again, but really slowly. Because Texas Texans didn't vote on their maps. No, Virginia did.

Speaker 3:
[08:39] That's insane. Like, yeah, it was just like fucking Abbott scribbling his signature on some shit. There you go. It's all fixed.

Speaker 2:
[08:44] Yeah, fuck you if you're a blue guy here.

Speaker 4:
[08:47] You should die.

Speaker 1:
[08:48] The tag, the subhead on the Washington Post one about Virginia, the redistricting scheme, as you said, was always a power grab by Democrats. Voters went along with it. The Supreme Court said that partisan redistricting is illegal because the federal government has not ruled against it. That's what they said. They said, if you don't want this, you have to make a law that bans it, not the Supreme Court. I mean, the Supreme Court could have, but case law is always a little wobblier than statutory law. So if Congress, and that's what I like about this one and why I would have voted for it if I lived in Virginia, is Congress just needs to say, oh wait, maybe all of us should hate gerrymandering. Cause yeah, it's fucking stupid. It is a fucking stupid abuse of power and it should absolutely be illegal under the clause that we all deserve equal protection. Equal representation.

Speaker 3:
[09:41] Yeah, it's really dumb.

Speaker 1:
[09:41] Equal representation.

Speaker 3:
[09:44] My hot take on this whole thing is I think that Congress is just, like more and more I look at this and go, this is just a terrible system. Like I really don't like just the general American Congress system. It's pretty. It's really bad. Like I feel like we don't think about it at all. We're just like, well of course it's the House and it's the Senate and it's these reps and this is dumb. Like we're over complicating so much shit. Like, you know, obviously the electoral vote versus popular vote is that shit as well. It's like, can we just simplify this and make it be like, all right, each state gets X. Like, it's just like it's a Senate with X amount of people, popular vote done. Like, why do we have to have all this complicated shit with the districts? It's like it seems really inefficient. And I don't understand why we're doing it. I mean, our politics, I understand why we're doing it, but it's dumb.

Speaker 1:
[10:26] We understand how we got here, but we don't. Yeah, the logic no longer holds up because.

Speaker 2:
[10:30] Yeah, why are we staying with it?

Speaker 3:
[10:31] Yes, it's dumb as shit. Well, I saw some video the other day about at least about the electoral vote versus popular vote, where like there are a number of states that are adopting wanting that to be the case. And if enough get there, it actually will become the way that the law is written, which is interesting federally. Like, but it's like certain tipping point states have to switch it. But that'd be cool.

Speaker 1:
[10:51] You need some some Michigan's and some Pennsylvania's to adopt those those things. Because the math doesn't seem like it would make sense, but it actually does make sense. You need it. You just need enough. As far as gerrymandering, though, I mean, yeah, we just never revisited the problem. People used to vote by your geography, because if you were if you lived in a farming state, 100 percent of people were farmers. Well, like they or they worked directly with farmers providing them with food or fixing their machines or whatever. Now, you've got people coding AI software for, you know, anthropic or open AI in the middle of Kansas. And you've got like urban farmers with chickens in their backyard in San Francisco. Like it's it's a there's there are almost no rules when it comes to geography besides things like water and, you know, climate change, things like that. And so we have we have a national political environment, we have a national economy, and to a large degree, we should have some sort of national reflection or some sort of change in how we draw districts to reflect that. Yeah, there have been I mean, Harvard's Harvard, Brown, Georgetown. There are very smart people who have gotten together to come up with algorithms that would draw fair districts every 10 years because the population does change. People do move right now. If we wanted to have an algorithm that's optimized, I think, for socioeconomic diversity, you know, you have a certain number of you're trying to reach a quota of people of different races, ethnicities, gender and economic class in each district so that every district is fair. They can do that. They can do that with purely with data and no political person has to be at the table.

Speaker 3:
[12:39] That's not going to go over well.

Speaker 2:
[12:41] That's where you get like a, you know, a standalone unbiased election board to handle all of that shit for us.

Speaker 3:
[12:48] Right. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[12:49] Maybe people from like Denmark.

Speaker 2:
[12:49] But that'll never fucking happen.

Speaker 3:
[12:51] No, of course not.

Speaker 1:
[12:52] Get Canadian or people from, yeah, like Sweden to do it. They're just like, I don't give a fuck really what, you know. They're not going to tip the scale for like district 12 in Virginia.

Speaker 2:
[13:04] People are so fucking dumb that they would rather, they would look at a state like North Carolina, which is like a light blue state, and gerrymandered into a fucking ruby red state, and say, nah, that's fine, fuck them all. We can't let another country or somebody else control our elections to way that's actually fair.

Speaker 3:
[13:19] Yeah, it's really dumb.

Speaker 1:
[13:21] It would immediately become a kill the messenger situation where whoever was in charge of the algorithms, it would be just another like pizza gate deep state.

Speaker 2:
[13:31] Oh my God, can you imagine? Can you imagine?

Speaker 3:
[13:36] Yes, I can, unfortunately.

Speaker 1:
[13:37] Big tech is drawing our algorithms. Like look at the house though.

Speaker 2:
[13:41] Look at the numbers, you fucking idiot.

Speaker 1:
[13:44] You can independently verify that this is better.

Speaker 2:
[13:47] Well, you can if you're capable of math.

Speaker 1:
[13:49] That's true.

Speaker 3:
[13:50] Well, they're not, you know, that's the hard part. I mean, this is like-

Speaker 2:
[13:53] The only math they know how to do is spelled with an E.

Speaker 4:
[13:55] That's it.

Speaker 1:
[13:59] I've never heard that before.

Speaker 3:
[14:00] I have either. These are some of the fucking magic lines you throw out there. I'm just like, how the fuck did you come up with this?

Speaker 2:
[14:05] Nah, man, I worked on a construction site for two summers in high school. That's all you need.

Speaker 3:
[14:11] That's true.

Speaker 4:
[14:12] I was bullied so mercilessly.

Speaker 2:
[14:14] All of these things were logged deep into my skull.

Speaker 3:
[14:19] That's great. I mean, I'm going to turn to a real bummer statement here that people are going to hate, but like this is exactly why I like every time there's like a progressive ideology brought forward. I'm like, yeah, but it'll never work. Like like all this, all these institutional challenges that are ahead of us, like, I don't know, I have such a hard time looking past that and getting to the point where it's like, yeah, let me embrace universal health care, whatever the fuck it is, you know, or I'm just looking at this going, this is so institutionally fucked, like how is anybody able to think we could actually do this? You know, like I just I don't I don't ever believe it, which is a super bummer thing, but I just I can't see past it.

Speaker 1:
[14:56] When you look at like the what is it, the seven mountain mandate, like there are these seven pillars of society, and it's like education and the media and the government and religion, all the things that that MAGAs have said, they need to control. They're all in a pretty bad place right now. It used to be that government and religion like kind of played nice together and people understood the separation of the church and state and they wanted someone. Well, right. And we believe in democracy. And the people who didn't were like 20% or 15%. But now it's like 40%. And so they've chiseled away so much of all of those individual institutions that now it's like, where do you start? You have to pick somewhere. Do we do we do we start undoing media monopolies? Like, that's a good argument.

Speaker 3:
[15:43] Money. I mean, you start with fucking money.

Speaker 2:
[15:44] Like, that's you start with the fucking Citizens United. That's where you start.

Speaker 3:
[15:48] 100%. It's that it's got to be like everything that curves money going to the pockets of politicians is the only way you can have, like, downstream systemic change.

Speaker 2:
[15:56] No more.

Speaker 3:
[15:57] Yeah, 100%. But that'll never fucking happen because the people who benefit from it are the fucking people who vote on it. It's like that's the most frustrating part.

Speaker 1:
[16:04] Right. So so so if because a lot of Democrats, it's like it's just like the Electoral College with states looking at each other, like everyone's looking at everyone else thinking as long as you do it, too, then I can agree to do it. But like we have to do this at the same time because it's never gonna happen. Because if one side gets out ahead of the other, it's gonna go poorly.

Speaker 2:
[16:27] This might be a little bit of a hot take, but I blame people of Rich and Tim's generation. Oh, yeah. Because people in my generation are starting to look at that shit, and maybe even yours too, Zach, are starting to look at that shit and go, fuck this, I'm not doing that.

Speaker 3:
[16:43] Oh, for sure.

Speaker 2:
[16:44] I am not supporting you. I'm not supporting you if you do that shit.

Speaker 3:
[16:48] 100%.

Speaker 2:
[16:49] And I won't vote for people who do. But people in Tim and Rich's generation look at they see, oh, there's a big D next to his name. Yeah. All right.

Speaker 3:
[16:58] I agree with that.

Speaker 2:
[16:59] And they don't value the difference in candidate.

Speaker 3:
[17:03] Correct.

Speaker 2:
[17:03] They don't care if a character takes PAC money or not PAC money or corporate money or not corporate money. They care about red or blue. That's as far as their discernment goes.

Speaker 3:
[17:12] I agree with that.

Speaker 2:
[17:13] Because for them, their whole lives, that's been the most important factor. Which up until 15 years ago, probably still would have gotten you across the finish line. But it doesn't now.

Speaker 3:
[17:25] No, I agree. I think the critical difference between... And Rich, I know you're a millennial, not Gen X, but...

Speaker 2:
[17:32] I'm just gonna... I'm age blind. I can't make the distinction.

Speaker 1:
[17:36] Age blind?

Speaker 3:
[17:38] I don't see... You see gray hairs. That's what you see. Two guys with gray hair. Correct.

Speaker 2:
[17:42] This fucker's almost bald.

Speaker 3:
[17:44] But I do think that, like, I think, like... I mean, there is... I do think that, like, I kind of fall in the middle there where, like... Where I think my generation and Luke's generation really succeed is niche. Whereas, you know, like, Gen X and Boomers are very broad black and white thinkers, whereas, like, Millennials and Gen Z are very, very capable of going, yeah, but what about this specific thing and that specific thing, and able to, like, segment their thinking much more niche? So, like, I think that's a huge piece of it where we kind of go, like, well, what's the context? And the context didn't really matter all. Like, it was very simple context. Like, early elections, like, even in 2000 and shit, if you had somebody come out and say, like, one negative thing about you, you'd be like, oh, the campaign is ruined. And it's like 8,000 negative things a day, and it doesn't matter. And that's the difference of, like, the ability of Millennials and Gen Z to really segment and inflate and deflate their value systems to decide where they're going to land. And, like, I agree, over time, that'll probably be the case. But then again, Millennials might shift and pull a fucking Gen X and a boomer and be like, yeah, we're getting old. We don't want to deal with the niche, so we'll just fucking vote for the D or the R, you know?

Speaker 1:
[18:53] I think that was the trajectory we were on, Millennials specifically, because, I mean, after Obama was elected, there was this great, like, sigh of relief, as if the whole country had just moved on from racism.

Speaker 3:
[19:07] Yeah, that didn't happen.

Speaker 1:
[19:08] Nothing was bad, nothing bad was ever gonna happen, and then we got gay marriage, and, you know, stuff started moving on the climate, and I feel like everybody let their guard down, and they felt like, well, as long as we just aren't stupid, and we continue electing smart, thoughtful people like President Obama and those people are 95 to 5, 99 to 1 on the left, you're good. But there's another thing, Luke, where just on behalf of the harm reduction argument, especially, I think, with marginalized populations, they look at like, I won't get six months if I don't.

Speaker 2:
[19:46] No, no, no, I see that.

Speaker 1:
[19:48] If I don't vote for the safest regardless, and so, you know, it's the lesser of two evils thing. And so, like, if you have, if you're in immediate pain, you don't have the privilege of saying like, well, I'm going to take a principled stance on who I vote for. You're going to, you're going to say like, this person might give me a thousand dollar rebate next year. And so I'm going to vote for them, or they might, they might give me free health care. Like I got to, like I got to shoot my shot on this.

Speaker 2:
[20:13] But I do find that occasionally those harm reduction people, which I totally see the value in, like if you're in a spot or you know people, or even if you just care about the general well-being of everyone, you are going to take the harm reduction approach. But like I find that those people aren't all that active in primaries, which is the exact time that you can do the non-principle take. That's when you get to do your real opinion.

Speaker 3:
[20:38] Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2:
[20:40] You motherfuckers can do more than come out for the presidential election, god damn it.

Speaker 3:
[20:43] Yeah, that's the hard part. I mean, I think a lot of the people who end up voting in those situations are like, they're coming out in the last two weeks and making a decision, but in the end, those are the people who have the most on the fucking line when it comes down to these elections, which is really frustrating. By the way, I have to hop and go into-

Speaker 2:
[21:02] Oh shit, all right, now it's going to be a Rich and Luke show.

Speaker 3:
[21:04] It's a Rich and Luke show. Everybody enjoy. This should be interesting. I'll see you guys later.

Speaker 2:
[21:10] Let's ride. Oh, and Ellie's here too. She's in the background now.

Speaker 1:
[21:14] I am so glad he's gone. I fucking hate that dude.

Speaker 2:
[21:17] I fucking hate that guy. God, Tim's gone too. It's great.

Speaker 1:
[21:21] Yeah. I mean, what do we talk about now? We're just kidding.

Speaker 2:
[21:23] We're just kidding.

Speaker 1:
[21:24] Let's talk about Lord of the Rings.

Speaker 2:
[21:27] We could talk about that.

Speaker 4:
[21:28] We could also talk about Tucker Carlson.

Speaker 2:
[21:33] Because did you see his interview the other day?

Speaker 1:
[21:36] I saw all of the clips that came across my feed.

Speaker 2:
[21:38] That's what I saw too. The big, I'm sorry, we misled people and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then, like, I saw a bunch of Democratic influencers that shared that clip without watching the whole thing and missed the part in the background where the guy that's interviewing or that's talking to Carlson calls Kamala, quote, Cackling Camel Toe. And then Tucker laughs and they go on with the show. But these people are sharing this video like it's some kind of a fucking, you know, revelation. Tucker's done with MAGA. Tucker's going to be on our side now. And I got to tell you, if you believe that for a split fucking second, you are so slow, you could time you with a calendar. I mean, Jesus Christ, that dude is never going to be on our team, ever.

Speaker 1:
[22:22] I don't know. I'm going to hold out hope.

Speaker 2:
[22:25] No, anybody holding hope there is fucking stupid.

Speaker 1:
[22:28] No, obviously, 1000% agree. I mean, yeah, Tucker Carlson is an entertainer and he has been his entire life. And I think the thing that that I take away from this that's inspiring is not that he did issue like he apologized. He said all of the words that implies that he owns his mistake. And he said, like, this is on us, that, you know, we we had a hand in this. And like we are the reason he got elected and we need to own that. Correct. Those are all the right words. I think what it reflects, though, is the absolute terror across the hard right that they are going to be held accountable.

Speaker 2:
[23:12] Well, they know. They know.

Speaker 1:
[23:13] They've done over the last couple of years and really the last, I mean, 25 years, but it's just gotten really bad, really fast. And they are looking at their ratings, their future viewers, their future audiences, their future brand deals, like all of all of the ways that they make money. They know that this is drying up probably even faster now than they expected, especially with the war in Iran. And so they are looking for how do I keep my paycheck and how do I stay out of prison after this is all done.

Speaker 2:
[23:43] And in my opinion, neither should be true. I don't care if they die penalists on the fucking side of the street. I don't care if they spend the rest of their lives in the fucking clink, because there are thousands of people whose lives have been ruined or are just fucking over because they misled and lied and fucking got on their knees for a fucking orange con man for years. They have done irreparable damage.

Speaker 1:
[24:11] And it's going to take us 10, 20, 30 years if we do everything right.

Speaker 2:
[24:16] If we can fix it.

Speaker 1:
[24:17] Yeah. What if they spent like, we could make a deal, like what if they could survive like one year in the Dilley Detention Center on their own with measles and and maggoty food, then if they can make that.

Speaker 2:
[24:32] How about you, those, I'll cut you a deal, Carlson. We'll put you in Alligator Alcatraz that you giggled and joked about. And we'll, you know, the gators around, we'll just make sure they don't have any food for a while. And if you can get out of that fucking hell swamp, you get to go on with it. But that's the shit that they fucking cheered about. And that's the thing. I feel like these these very same influencers that are like, oh, Carlson's on our side, are forgetting the fact that six, a year ago now, he was cheering for that.

Speaker 1:
[25:03] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[25:04] Personally, I am never ever going to be cool with somebody who cheered for that.

Speaker 1:
[25:08] Yeah, they were very excited when it was desperate, starving immigrants who were trying to get away from cartels, potentially getting eaten by alligators as they tried to escape this prison. But when it's, what, a MAGA creator losing a thousand followers a day because everybody realized how shit they are.

Speaker 2:
[25:31] Nobody cares anymore and because what you're supporting is unconscionable.

Speaker 1:
[25:36] We gotta protect those people though, because they're good little boys.

Speaker 2:
[25:39] Okay, Tucker, you go do the same stint in CICOT that Kilmar Abrego-Garcia did. Go kneel on rice and eat with your fucking hands tied behind your back. Have fun with that.

Speaker 1:
[25:52] I think they would do pretty well. I'm sure that they all, you know, they're all alphas, so they're...

Speaker 2:
[25:58] Oh, yeah, Tucker's a big... Do they let you have bow ties in CICOT? I'm not sure.

Speaker 1:
[26:04] You know, there is probably a risk to yourself if they let you have a bow tie. I mean, that would be an end. You can leave it at that.

Speaker 2:
[26:13] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[26:15] How long is a bow tie? I used to wear bow ties at a job like 20 years ago.

Speaker 2:
[26:18] I never won a bow tie in my life.

Speaker 1:
[26:20] You know what I would love is, because I'm pretty sure they wanted to make, they joked about making it a reality TV show, right? Of like the immigrants trying to get away from it.

Speaker 2:
[26:29] Oh, they did, they did.

Speaker 4:
[26:30] They joked about all that shit.

Speaker 1:
[26:32] So let's do what you said, like hungry alligators, all the alpha influencers and the MAGAs who said and did horrific things over the past couple of years, they get to go to Alligator Alcatraz and then we set up like webcams and have like drone cameras following them around. It's like the running man. Like we just have alligators.

Speaker 2:
[26:52] I'm for it. You know how much money we could raise to help fix this shit if we just marketed that?

Speaker 1:
[26:57] We could probably cover universal health care for everybody.

Speaker 2:
[26:59] Most likely.

Speaker 1:
[27:00] We should get less expensive because of all the MAG influencers getting eaten by alligators.

Speaker 2:
[27:05] It would be like, it's like crowdfunding universal health care. It's an alternative form of paying your taxes.

Speaker 1:
[27:12] I kind of love it. Let's roll with this. I'm going to write up a business card.

Speaker 2:
[27:14] I'm for it. I am for it.

Speaker 1:
[27:18] Man, what else we got today? We haven't talked about Iran, but it's like I don't even know what to talk about with Iran.

Speaker 4:
[27:24] They seized two ships today I saw that tried to go through the strait.

Speaker 1:
[27:28] Which is that tracks because Trump just announced yesterday the indefinite ceasefire.

Speaker 2:
[27:33] Ceasefire.

Speaker 1:
[27:35] You know, I got to give us credit because I think it was just in our was it just in our Tuesday episode, I lose track. We predicted that that Trump was going to Taco Tuesday on Tuesday because that was one of the two weeks was up. And then we got to Tuesday and or I think it was even on Monday. He already had announced like, oh, well, it's it's actually Wednesday. And then on Taco Tuesday, he still announced the indefinite ceasefire. So, oh, yeah, he like pre-tacqued like when you when you have like one or two street tacos and you're like, I need seven more street tacos immediately.

Speaker 2:
[28:10] Right. He had like one of the little tacos and now he's got the full one.

Speaker 1:
[28:14] Right. The amuse-bouche taco and then the full plate of tacos on Taco Tuesday. So now we have an indefinite ceasefire as Iran seized two ships. I think I saw somewhere three, maybe, but at least two. And now Trump is looking at trying to get to the same agreement that Barack Obama got to with Iran seven years ago as a possible break even.

Speaker 2:
[28:44] If only we had had that deal. If only somebody else that's infinitely better at everything about being a president had established this deal.

Speaker 1:
[28:53] If only.

Speaker 2:
[28:54] And then some ignorant jackass that despises the fact that everything that a lot of the good in this country can be traced directly back to his predecessor, a black man that is better than him at everything has done as and he has done as much damage to get rid of anything that Barack Obama ever did. And it has been infinitely terrible for this fucking country.

Speaker 1:
[29:16] Yeah, if we could go back in time, because this is the thing, like everybody says, like, well, you know, Joe Biden didn't do this and Barack Obama didn't do that. They were still operating in the political environment in the world that existed then, which was that there were like bright lines that never, that were never crossed by any president.

Speaker 2:
[29:36] Like, yeah, you didn't defund Medicaid. You didn't defund USAID. You didn't kill 600,000 people.

Speaker 4:
[29:43] You didn't bomb countries for the hell of it.

Speaker 1:
[29:46] Just for fun.

Speaker 2:
[29:46] You didn't send fucking SEAL Team Six to go kidnap the fucking leader of another country. That's not really how they operated.

Speaker 1:
[29:54] Based on manufactured excuses. So, you know, I give them a pass. Nobody could have possibly predicted how far Trump would go. But now that we do know, if I could go back in time, it would be amazing if Obama had just signed all the deals like John Barron. Just, he was that selfless. If we went back in time right now and we were like, Obama, we need you.

Speaker 2:
[30:21] You have to do this. Otherwise, the future is terrible.

Speaker 1:
[30:25] The Future Affordable Care Act will be funded indefinitely. And the Iran nuclear deal.

Speaker 2:
[30:29] By effort of John Barron.

Speaker 1:
[30:31] By effort of John Barron. We're going to need you to take one for the team. We know that's too much to ask. I think it would have worked out. You know, I want to make fun of Iowa. I wish I could say is making fun of Iowa.

Speaker 2:
[30:47] Iowa sucks. Iowa sucks.

Speaker 1:
[30:50] Do you know anyone who lives in Iowa?

Speaker 2:
[30:52] Me. It's fucking terrible here.

Speaker 1:
[30:55] Condolences.

Speaker 2:
[30:57] I need all the condolences I can get. It's been like a really bad month for Iowa.

Speaker 1:
[31:03] What in the past month has happened in Iowa?

Speaker 2:
[31:05] We had that shit with the schools in Cedar Rapids where funding went from public schools to Christian schools that turn away kids of gay parents. The University of Iowa had what they're calling, it's technically a mass shooting. There was a big fight at bar close, and a guy pulled a gun and shot at the people fighting him, and then hit people in the crowd. The photos of people of interest at the police department and the university have released are all of African American people. The white hoods have come out because all of the comments everywhere, Instagram, Facebook, public news comments, all of them are fucking people talking about the usual suspects and bullshit like that. And it makes me hate living here even more.

Speaker 1:
[31:57] Yeah, I don't think there's anything like between maybe next door comment sections and Facebook local news station comment sections.

Speaker 2:
[32:05] Oh, my God.

Speaker 1:
[32:06] That's like a royal rumble of the of the bottom feeders. It's like Paul and Julia Smith. Like they share a profile and they're both, you know, they both have like the MAGA hats on and they're just saying it.

Speaker 2:
[32:19] And they only have a Facebook. They only have a joint Facebook account because one of them cheated.

Speaker 1:
[32:24] I'll give you one guess who it was. Fucking Paul.

Speaker 2:
[32:27] Fucking Paul.

Speaker 1:
[32:28] And literally just with their faces and usually like pictures their grandkids with like eagles and American flags superimposed.

Speaker 2:
[32:35] Yeah. And then you go through like the comment history and it's just all racist.

Speaker 1:
[32:39] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[32:39] A whore and shit.

Speaker 1:
[32:40] Right. It's like, oh, what race was the suspect? Or, yeah, even the more the more obtuse. Usual suspects. Iowa, Iowa, Iowa used to actually be an OK state. What?

Speaker 2:
[32:56] Yeah, it's almost like the Republicans took over and it went to absolute fucking shit.

Speaker 4:
[33:01] Oh, wait, that's exactly what happened.

Speaker 1:
[33:02] Not for super wealthy people, though, let's be fair.

Speaker 2:
[33:06] This is fair. You know, do you know in Iowa, you can look up your cancer rates by county? You're really because the water is that fucked by contaminants and runoff and fertilizer and all of that shit. They can trace your likelihood of getting cancer down to the fucking county. And Kim Reynolds looks at that and goes, fuck it, you know, it doesn't really matter.

Speaker 1:
[33:32] Because is it the wrong counties that are not getting sick?

Speaker 4:
[33:35] Well, a lot of the blue counties, you know.

Speaker 1:
[33:39] The thing that I saw that, like I probably fact check this four times on the vouchers program there. What do you guys call that? Educational school credits or something like that. The vouchers are going to these private religious schools. And that's one thing. So obviously taxpayer money that is funded by everybody is getting diverted away from public schools to these religious schools. There's a major Catholic school.

Speaker 2:
[34:08] Hey, don't worry, though. In Texas, now they can mandate that schools put the Ten Commandments on the wall, by the way. I don't know if you saw that. That happened today.

Speaker 1:
[34:17] As long as we all follow it.

Speaker 2:
[34:19] It's spreading.

Speaker 1:
[34:21] They so the taxpayer dollars are going to the religious schools. And and that's one thing. But then at the same time, those religious schools are giving at least the one that I the one that I checked. And this one is a pretty big network of Catholic churches across the Midwest. They actually give high school students a three thousand dollar a year, like $2,500 a year discount if you are a member of a local parish. So a poor atheist or a poor non-Catholic Christian who wants to attend that school with taxpayer funded vouchers pays full price. And it's like $12,000 a year to attend this to which like everybody has that laying around. Eight thousand dollars from the voucher. So if you are a $40,000 or $50,000 a year household and you've got, you know, two or three kids, maybe one or two of them are in high school, it's $4,000 out of pocket per year per kid after the voucher. Whereas if you're not a Catholic, if you're not an attending Catholic, if you are, then you break even. And so wealthy religious white families are the overwhelming majority of the people who attend this very fancy school. And now they're closing six schools in Cedar Rapids in the public school system there because they had the funding diverted toward the private religious schools. So it's state-sponsored religious education. Indoctrination. And you have to drive, like one person profile had to drive 15 miles, I think it was round trip, to drop their kids off at another school because their local school closed. And of course those are never the families who have maybe reliable transportation, who can afford the extra on top of the voucher.

Speaker 2:
[36:11] Whose parents go to work at nine o'clock in the morning and can drop their kids off every day.

Speaker 1:
[36:14] Yeah, exactly. Right, they're an ER nurse working like the graveyard shift. And so, right, it's, you know, I knew that things were bad. I knew that vouchers were bullshit. But this new layer that allows voucher money to go to religious schools, that, yes, kick kids out or just bar kids from entry entirely, even if they are Catholic for being gay, is also giving discounts, is also giving discounts to the religious families. I didn't know you could even do that, but it's legal.

Speaker 2:
[36:46] Yeah, I thought that was kind of, you know, not allowed. But I guess the Christofascists are doing whatever in the wide world of they want these days.

Speaker 1:
[36:54] I think it's been controversial my whole life to say we should start taxing churches.

Speaker 4:
[37:00] I don't think it should be controversial at all.

Speaker 1:
[37:03] I don't think it is as much anymore. I was just talking to a Republican and they said, like, no, actually, I would be totally on board with that because there's like the whole libertarian side of the Republican Party, which is shrinking, but they're, they tend to be a little bit more of the, like, everybody should be equal, even if it's my people, my, like, my people should be equal to every other, every other group. We should, we should bring that back up. But that's like a third rail, right? Yeah, I'm for it. We'll cut Medicaid, but not tax churches.

Speaker 2:
[37:34] Yeah, I mean, because, like, and they don't really do anything either. I saw that if every church in America took in, like, two homeless people, there wouldn't be homeless people anymore. And they don't really do that. And, like, I don't know if you saw that TikTok series ever about the lady calling churches and asking for formula and got turned away at, like, almost every one of them. They were like, are you a member here? And she was like, well, no. And they're like, well, go fuck yourself then. We hope your baby starves.

Speaker 1:
[38:00] And then, like in so many words, and then like, but she would call mosques.

Speaker 2:
[38:04] And I don't think she ever got turned away to mosque.

Speaker 1:
[38:06] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[38:08] And it was like, huh? I think maybe we should tax these motherfuckers.

Speaker 1:
[38:14] Maybe. I'm starting to think that I would be on board with that. No, I've been on board with that my entire life. Because what is it the Catholic Church, I think, is the largest landowning organization in the United States?

Speaker 2:
[38:24] Yeah, with like, you know, the Mormon Church is trying to catch up.

Speaker 1:
[38:28] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[38:29] Because they're buying up all the land in Missouri because they think, what's his fucking name is coming back?

Speaker 1:
[38:33] Oh, like Adam Smith or Brigham Young?

Speaker 2:
[38:35] No, the OG.

Speaker 4:
[38:36] What's his fucking name?

Speaker 2:
[38:38] Brigham Young.

Speaker 1:
[38:39] Yeah, Brigham Young. OK.

Speaker 2:
[38:40] Yeah, because he started his journey in Missouri.

Speaker 1:
[38:44] Oh, well, that's obviously where he would go then. That's always been my problem with because that's the first thing they throw out. If you say like, hey, we should tax churches or or like if you if you go so far as to say that Christianity has had a maybe a net negative impact some places in the in the world or just like over the entire world, religion in general. People immediately go to well, they feed, you know, they feed people, they build houses, but it's always conditional.

Speaker 2:
[39:09] And it's like, it's not charity if you go there and you're like, you have to believe in my guy with us in the sky or else I'm not building you this house.

Speaker 1:
[39:17] Yeah, exactly. Proselytation. Is that the word proselytization? It's like religious imperialism. You go to Africa, you go to the the Middle East, you go to the Philippines. I don't know if they go to the Middle East. I don't know if they try that. But they do go to Southeast Asia and Africa a lot. And they build schools and they build churches and they provide health care and everything. But at the same time, it's like, there's this implication that now you need to attend the church, because the first thing they do is build a church. And so then they start holding services and that's how they spread their religion. It's really no more than marketing, but it's like, with good will.

Speaker 2:
[39:55] The Catholic Church is the original multi-level marketing scheme.

Speaker 1:
[39:58] Is that where everybody got their ideas?

Speaker 2:
[40:00] I guess so.

Speaker 1:
[40:02] Believe in my God and also, would you like to buy some Tupperware?

Speaker 2:
[40:05] And also, you can be like a deacon and you can bring some more people in and we can all make money.

Speaker 1:
[40:11] Don't forget your kids.

Speaker 2:
[40:13] Yep, gotta dunk them in some water.

Speaker 1:
[40:17] Oh, well, there's more stuff to make fun of. Are you doing anything cool? Is there any good news besides Virginia? That was pretty good news. Is there any good news in the world? I feel like we're spiraling, we're doom spiraling, which is a good scroll if I wanted to do that.

Speaker 2:
[40:31] No, I'm pretty just angry this week. I don't really have anything that I'm talking about that's good this week. I have my general rough ideas for the rest of the weekend. All of them are angry.

Speaker 1:
[40:40] Yeah. I saw something that was better. I'm looking up some Senate polls right now because I saw a thing, I feel like it was this morning. There's actually a pretty good chance of Democrats taking the Senate and it's based on, of all of the places, Alaska. The vote in Alaska, I'm digging up the poll right now, so I'll just like, where's the music? I need some like, there's not a lot of polling in Alaska. And so that's why it's not getting nearly enough attention. But it's Mary Peltola, I think, right?

Speaker 4:
[41:22] Yeah, she's in Alaska.

Speaker 1:
[41:24] Right. She's running against Dan Sullivan. And she's leading right now. As like there were polls in January that had her up two, three, four, five, six points. She has an overwhelmingly favorable rating among Alaskan voters. Like, everybody assumes that Alaska is just a slam dunk deep red state. But Alaska is actually... It's not. It's not. And it's... The voters there are pretty weird as far as like who and what and why they vote for. They voted for Mark Baggage years ago, and he was in Congress for a term. And when you look at Lisa Murkowski, she's not super hard right. She's actually probably one of the most frustrating voters in the Senate for Donald Trump. She's constantly shutting stuff down. She didn't want the SAVE Act. She wouldn't even vote to end the filibuster so that they could vote on the SAVE Act. She's been pretty reliable, and I think she's pretty popular. But now it's the other guy, the Trump-appointed guy, or the Trump loyalist, Dan Sullivan, who's running against Paltola. And as of the Alaska Survey Research did a poll, March 19th to 22nd, so sort of mid-Iran dumpster fire, Paltola was up by five points, 49 to 44. It's not like 20% of the people are undecided. She's like, pretty much everyone is saying who they want to vote for, and she's up. In January, she was up by two, in two different polls. These are the kinds of things where, when you look at the Democratic Campaign Committee, and when you look at the media, they just treat everything like it's locked in, but we've seen so much shit get blown up, like literally and figuratively, since 2024.

Speaker 2:
[43:11] I don't know if you got it or if that joke's that funny.

Speaker 1:
[43:13] It's not funny. Iran, among other things, but in Venezuela, but also like the things we've been talking about. They blew up Medicaid. Like nobody thought that they were going to touch Medicaid because you don't touch entitlement programs. Like that's the oldest rule in politics, the original third rail. But they've started doing all these things that are truly unprecedented and that obviously results in an unprecedented find out period. So I won't be surprised if, if Talarico wins in Texas. I won't be surprised if Peltola wins in Alaska. Places that are still currently-

Speaker 2:
[43:48] There's a Senate race in Iowa that I've got my finger on.

Speaker 1:
[43:52] Right. Joni Ernst seat, right? How's that looking? How's that showing up?

Speaker 4:
[43:57] I mean, it's close, but I think it's, I think there's a chance.

Speaker 2:
[44:02] I mean, that whole, some of you are going to die, we're all going to die, comment really kind of fucked her. Really not a great idea to say that.

Speaker 1:
[44:11] Yeah, she went really hard. Yeah, so Echelon Insights polled April 3rd through the 9th and found that Walls, that's how you say it, right?

Speaker 4:
[44:21] Walls?

Speaker 2:
[44:22] Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 1:
[44:23] Is leading by two points. We should get them on, because Joni Ernst is a monster. She's the one who said everybody's going to die. It's just a fact of life. Meanwhile, she's worth like millions of dollars and retiring in her, what, 40s, 50s, because she's just kind of done with it. 60s, I don't know how old she is, but she's not 80. And she's just stepping out because she makes enough money. Don't you wish you could just check out of the economy when the economy gets shitty? When things get tough, you're just like, I'm just going to retire. It'd be kind of nice. Anyway, we should get him on because yes, we need to sort of break how we think about the Senate map. We need to break how we think about Texas or Iowa.

Speaker 2:
[45:04] You can't think about these things as like guaranteed because they're not.

Speaker 1:
[45:07] Right. Especially now. They never are. And I always hate when they say states are safe red or safe blue or whatever, because they're still humans that live in those states and they can still vote for whoever they want.

Speaker 2:
[45:18] Okay, actually, I do have one little bit of good news before we leave. Well, it's not so much good news, but it's funny. According to an article by Wired, a man in India says that he made thousands of dollars scamming MAGA fans with a fake AI influencer that he named Emily Hart. It helped pay for his medical school. He has millions and millions and millions of views on Instagram and Facebook with it. It's obviously like a blonde MAGA bikini girl and has thousands and thousands of followers. And the funny thing is, he says that he tried a liberal version but it didn't work. Quote, Democrats know that it's AI slop, the MAGA crowd is made of dumb people, super dumb people, they all fall for it.

Speaker 1:
[46:04] I mean, I wish I could say I was surprised, but when you see the ones of that woman who's like the shape and appearance that MAGA people respond favorably to, like sitting in the Oval Office with her bare feet up on the desk with Donald Trump, I'm like, you guys, and they're like, thank you for your service, God bless.

Speaker 2:
[46:26] How fucking stupid do you have to be?

Speaker 1:
[46:29] So if the feet are in the picture, it's a pretty fucking big tell. I'm just gonna tell everybody that right now.

Speaker 2:
[46:34] Yeah, when they got six toes in there fucking crooked.

Speaker 1:
[46:38] There's no bare feet in usually pictures of the military unless it's like a body. Yeah, this is amazing, the Wired article on it. This scammer used an AI-generated MAGA girl to grift, quote, super dumb men.

Speaker 2:
[46:53] It's fucking amazing.

Speaker 1:
[46:55] It is kind of amazing. We need to do this and then funnel the money into like democratic campaigns.

Speaker 2:
[46:59] Again, we're funding universal health care.

Speaker 1:
[47:01] All right. Like take one for the team, guys.

Speaker 2:
[47:05] I'm for it.

Speaker 1:
[47:05] You don't know, but you're funding good things. I think that's a good place to end before something bad happens.

Speaker 2:
[47:12] I think so, too.

Speaker 1:
[47:12] We get breaking news alerts. This was...

Speaker 2:
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Speaker 4:
[47:35] Well, bam!

Speaker 1:
[47:36] What about American Power? Is American Power still growing?

Speaker 2:
[47:37] American Power is on Wednesdays.

Speaker 1:
[47:39] But they're still growing fast.

Speaker 4:
[47:40] And it is still going crazy.

Speaker 2:
[47:42] American Power and Get Angry, both going crazy.

Speaker 1:
[47:45] All right. Well, I'm not angry about that.

Speaker 2:
[47:48] No.

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Speaker 4:
[48:03] We do memberships there, too.

Speaker 1:
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Speaker 2:
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Speaker 1:
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Speaker 2:
[48:15] Don't do that. Don't do that.

Speaker 1:
[48:17] Tim always says that part. I'm just trying to be honest.

Speaker 2:
[48:21] All right.

Speaker 1:
[48:22] Zach's not going to watch all of this, do you think?

Speaker 2:
[48:24] No, I don't think he's paying attention.

Speaker 1:
[48:25] He's still on, but they're going to have to cut him off. So he's going to... Anyway, it's going to be like a seven hour long recording by the time he gets back from wherever he is.

Speaker 2:
[48:32] Thank you all for listening. You're the best fans in the world.

Speaker 1:
[48:36] We do have the best fans.

Speaker 2:
[48:38] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[48:38] All right. Bye, everybody.

Speaker 2:
[48:40] Bye, everybody.

Speaker 1:
[48:42] I sold my car in Carvana last night. Well, that's cool. No, you don't understand. It went perfectly. Real offer, down to the penny.

Speaker 2:
[48:48] They're picking it up tomorrow. Nothing went wrong.

Speaker 4:
[48:51] So what's the problem?

Speaker 2:
[48:52] That is the problem.

Speaker 1:
[48:53] Nothing in my life goes smoothly.

Speaker 4:
[48:55] I'm waiting for the catch.

Speaker 3:
[48:56] Maybe there's no catch.

Speaker 1:
[48:57] That's exactly what a catch would want me to think.

Speaker 3:
[49:00] Wow.

Speaker 4:
[49:00] You need to relax. I need a knock on wood.

Speaker 1:
[49:02] Do we have wood? Is this table wood?

Speaker 3:
[49:03] I think it's laminate. Okay. Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 1:
[49:05] That's close enough.

Speaker 2:
[49:06] Car selling without a catch.

Speaker 3:
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