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Speaker 1:
[00:00] You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2:
[00:04] Hour two on this Thursday, Dan and the Danettes, Dan Patrick Show. Beautiful day here in Pittsburgh. Sun is out, temperatures probably in the upper 70s, probably in the upper 60s, maybe when first pick is announced tonight. It is a meat Thursday, as it was a meat Wednesday, and there'll be a meat Friday as well. The menu today, the herb crusted pork loin, the grilled steakhouse burgers, wood-fired pesto and hot capicola pizza. All the meat provided by Heartland Steak CEO. Who has it better than we do?
Speaker 3:
[00:41] Nobody.
Speaker 2:
[00:43] Alrighty, we're broadcasting live from the distillery complex in Pittsburgh all week long. Rooftop views, great food cocktails, great cigar lounge. I've been here the last three nights, enjoying the company here with the members. Big German sitting there with me with his cream bourbon. It looks like a white Russian. He finished the bottle last night. I'm like, damn! Now, I got my tequila, but he was pouring. He had a heavy pour. Yes, Marvin?
Speaker 3:
[01:12] Yeah, we saw the ashes in the morning. Like, oh, you guys got after it.
Speaker 2:
[01:15] The ashes?
Speaker 3:
[01:16] From the cigar?
Speaker 2:
[01:17] Oh, yeah. We were actually smoking right by your desk there. Oh, awesome. We had the ashtray right there on your computer. What could go wrong? All of our guests this week will receive a gift bag provided by REC Tech, Panini, Penske, Dude Wife. Stat of the Day, as always, brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards of The Dan Patrick Show. All right. We got a poll question. We have a couple of stats of the day. Bill Cowher stops by. Todd is here. Dylan, Paulie, Marvin, myself, the backroom guys as well. Update the poll results from hour one, Dylan.
Speaker 4:
[01:49] All righty, Dan. Well, we've been over our Pittsburgh thing. I guess people would come back or whatever. General life policy, trade up or trade down, 60% of people are going to trade down.
Speaker 2:
[02:00] Oh.
Speaker 4:
[02:01] Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[02:01] Okay. Do you get more picks?
Speaker 4:
[02:04] You get more? I think you do. That's kind of what comes with the trading down.
Speaker 2:
[02:07] Okay. Yes, Todd.
Speaker 5:
[02:09] I'm trying to think of what the analogy would be to that because as far as relationships, you could have one beautiful woman or man as opposed to two good ones, is that would be trading down? Davey, if you could get multiple dating partners, would that be a fair analogy to make?
Speaker 2:
[02:24] I didn't come up with the whole question.
Speaker 5:
[02:26] I'm just saying if you're trading down and you get multiple picks, that sounds like that would be like you could date two or three average looking girls or just the one hottie. I don't know. I'm trying to figure it out.
Speaker 4:
[02:35] Todd's gears are turning.
Speaker 5:
[02:36] Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[02:37] Yeah. Yeah. This is-
Speaker 5:
[02:38] A little worked up. Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[02:39] A little bit. I was just looking at the football wise. I wasn't looking at anything else.
Speaker 5:
[02:44] But the question is about like life.
Speaker 2:
[02:45] I know. I know. But this doesn't- there's no good answer here in life. Just let you know.
Speaker 4:
[02:51] We can shift it to football if we want, Dan.
Speaker 2:
[02:53] Yeah, that'd be nice.
Speaker 4:
[02:54] Okay. Would you ever trade up for a running back?
Speaker 2:
[02:58] Depends on how much I'm giving up for the running back.
Speaker 4:
[03:01] This year would be a good test for that with Jeremiyah Love too.
Speaker 2:
[03:05] I don't want to go into the top five because that's going to cost me probably a couple of first round picks. So I would say no. I'd be more apt to trade up for Ty Simpson than I would for Jeremiyah Love because I'm probably just going to have to trade back into the end of the first round for Ty Simpson. Yes, Pauline.
Speaker 6:
[03:24] If you're trading up to the top five, let's say you had the seventh pick, that means you're not a good team. You shouldn't really be taking a running back anyway. Now you're trading up for that pick and you're losing draft capitals to surround that running back. You're compounding the problem of taking someone that high. The Arizona Cardinals, I think it's all bait. A team like that, they have no business taking a running back in the second or third pick.
Speaker 2:
[03:44] Yeah, I don't think that they will. But I do like him. I just I got to look at the totality of my team. I got to look at the position. Look, I was all in on Saquon Barkley for the Giants because I thought he might be the missing piece that would give them maybe another Super Bowl run. And he's going to be a Hall of Fame running back. It's just he's not going to wear a Giants uniform when he goes in. Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 3:
[04:10] Do you think the Jeremiyah Love pick might be like a media guy pick for the Cardinals? Like, you know, we need a star. We need somebody to sell tickets in Arizona.
Speaker 2:
[04:18] Yeah, but you could have a great talent there, but then nobody's going to see the great talent because you don't have the talent around him to make him better. I mean, Barry Sanders is one of the few running backs who there wasn't a hole there, and then 60 yards later, he scores a touchdown. I go back to what I said about Mendoza. If you don't have an offensive line, I don't want him out there playing. Yes, Dylan.
Speaker 4:
[04:42] We're kind of seeing that playout right now with Ashwin Gentey. He vanished into thin air with the Raiders last season.
Speaker 2:
[04:48] 3.6 yards per carry. And he was a guy who in college was great with that first contact. He was great after contact. But in the NFL, that contact is a whole lot different. And if you get a good offensive line there, then and you have a legitimate quarterback there, then we might see Ashwin Gentey live up to be in a top 10 pick. 877 3DP show. We'll get to more phone calls coming up. NBA playoffs, Pistons over the Magic, Thunder handle the Suns. You know, I still look at the Phoenix Suns and I go, you guys are in a playoff team. Like, they don't feel like that. And watching, now granted, they're going against OKC. And OKC is steamrolling them. But I did have Pistons fans on social media saying, when are you going to talk about the Pistons? Well, did you want me to talk about the Pistons after Orlando beat you in game one of the series? Because now you win and you want me to talk about the Pistons because you beat Orlando?
Speaker 3:
[05:47] We're tied 1-1 in the first round.
Speaker 2:
[05:49] Yay! Oh my God. Get the parade route started there in Denver. Yes, Martin.
Speaker 3:
[05:55] The funny thing about the Sons is they were in the finals in 2021 and they were up 2-0 in the finals also. And Devin Booker, after they lost, he just goes, damn, because he knows how hard it was to get there and he's not getting back anytime soon. They barely made the playoffs.
Speaker 2:
[06:10] Todd?
Speaker 5:
[06:10] You and Marvin may know because you're bigger NBA fans in general, but who is the Sons' head coach would be my quick quiz?
Speaker 3:
[06:17] Paul Westfall.
Speaker 2:
[06:21] John McLeod.
Speaker 5:
[06:23] The gentleman's name is Jordan Ott. Not to be confused with Mel Ott. Jordan Ott.
Speaker 2:
[06:28] Cotton Fitzsimmons.
Speaker 3:
[06:30] We're such geeks.
Speaker 2:
[06:31] Yeah. Alvin Adams. But thank you, Todd.
Speaker 5:
[06:34] Yeah. Just thought I'd put it out there.
Speaker 2:
[06:36] Yeah. Thank you.
Speaker 5:
[06:37] Jordan Ott.
Speaker 2:
[06:37] Yes, Paul.
Speaker 6:
[06:38] I do want to go back to that running back thing. We just got this stat in. Ashton Gentry last year, he was the sixth pick overall, 900 yards, five touchdowns. In the second round, Trevion Henderson, 900 yards, nine touchdowns. And you got him for one third the price. You can go down, that Krosky Merritt guy that was taking in Washington, he had a really nice season, he had 800 yards and eight touchdowns. He was a seventh round pick. Kyle Menungai, seventh round pick of the Bears, 800 yards, five touchdowns.
Speaker 2:
[07:06] It sounds like a condition.
Speaker 6:
[07:07] Kyle Menungai?
Speaker 2:
[07:08] Yeah. How is your Kyle Menungai? It's good. It's clear enough.
Speaker 6:
[07:13] I've got moderate severe Kyle Menungai. Moderate severe.
Speaker 2:
[07:16] Todd's doing this last night. We're just sit around having beers and then you bring up, what was the condition that Sky Rizzi or something?
Speaker 5:
[07:26] Yeah. There's a new thing now with all the commercial where you go, don't take Sky Rizzi if you're allergic to Sky Rizzi. I just find that very silly. It's very insulting to me. Are we that stupid? It's like obviously, if I take something and I start bleeding profusely or I pass out, I'm going to have to check. I'm probably not going to take it again. I'll consult my local physician.
Speaker 2:
[07:42] How do I know I'm allergic to it unless I take it?
Speaker 5:
[07:45] You won't know unless you get some lab work done and it shows that you're better. Take Merge Triumphance from Fire. It's in one of those tubs overlooking the river over there.
Speaker 2:
[07:54] I know. I had to explain that to my kids when they were younger, the couple in the bathtubs overlooking the water.
Speaker 6:
[08:00] At Seattle's.
Speaker 2:
[08:01] Yes. They're like, why are they in the bathtubs and what is that? Ask your mom. Yes, Dylan.
Speaker 4:
[08:10] Why are the bathtubs outside?
Speaker 2:
[08:14] There's no water in them.
Speaker 4:
[08:15] There's no water. They're empty and they're outside. The side effects of those medicines are always way worse than whatever affliction it's treating to. It'll be like, this is for eggs and one. It's like, if you're bleeding out of both your ears after you take it, maybe call your doctor.
Speaker 2:
[08:27] Yes, Paul.
Speaker 6:
[08:27] And every guy in the Seattle ad looks like a movie star. He's like 61 years old with great hair, chiseled. He's driving like a, he's flying a Cessna in and taking his glasses off like Tom Cruise.
Speaker 4:
[08:38] That's not your average Seattle's taker, I don't think.
Speaker 2:
[08:41] I don't think so. You're sitting right next to him, Dylan. Yes, Todd.
Speaker 5:
[08:46] I work out all the time and I only have kale smoothies. Jingles doesn't care.
Speaker 2:
[08:52] Or no, what about the group that is dancing and singing and they've got some kind of condition?
Speaker 6:
[08:56] That's the Hu-Mara Band.
Speaker 2:
[08:58] No, no, that's-
Speaker 5:
[08:59] I got a touch of diabetes but I'm doing well. I got a little pill with a great big starry tail. It's a Broadway show. She's wearing a big yellow flowery outfit. She's waving to everybody on the set. There's cameras. It's a big deal about this little purple pill, whatever they got going on. Yeah, they are.
Speaker 3:
[09:14] My blood sugar is low. Let's go.
Speaker 4:
[09:17] You should hear the stories this pill tells.
Speaker 5:
[09:20] Great big story.
Speaker 2:
[09:21] Sky Rizzi. Nobody is happier to have herpes than this group of people's herpes.
Speaker 6:
[09:27] I actually didn't know it was herpes.
Speaker 5:
[09:28] Don't take Sky Rizzi if you're allergic.
Speaker 4:
[09:30] Jardience is the dancing diabetes.
Speaker 2:
[09:32] Oh, that one is? Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[09:34] Like they're in a gazebo all happy.
Speaker 2:
[09:37] All righty. Couple of phone calls in here. We did ask this question. Paulie waited a year to bring this up. You can start your franchise with any player in history, but you only get that player. You don't get Bill Walsh with Joe Montana. You don't get Bill Belichick with Tom Brady. How is social media treating this question, Paulie?
Speaker 6:
[09:57] We're getting a lot of write-in votes for Deion Sanders, for Lawrence Taylor, obviously, even Randy Moss, peak Randy Moss, you get 12 years of Randy Moss.
Speaker 2:
[10:06] But if I said you could have Terrell Owens or Randy Moss.
Speaker 6:
[10:08] Moss quickly.
Speaker 2:
[10:09] Is it that close? Okay.
Speaker 6:
[10:11] More for demeanor than performance.
Speaker 2:
[10:15] Both.
Speaker 6:
[10:16] I think Randy was just tired of being in Oakland.
Speaker 2:
[10:19] Yeah, maybe.
Speaker 6:
[10:20] A lot of, we're getting a lot of blowback that Tom Brady should be the number one pick overall, clearly. That's based on accomplishments, not necessarily his abilities.
Speaker 2:
[10:30] Yeah. Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 3:
[10:32] I heard a cornerback say on a podcast somewhere, what's the scariest thing you ever saw? He goes, Randy Moss putting his hand up. He said, this is the scariest thing he's ever seen. I love TO. I'm a 49ers guy, but Randy Moss, he's the most talented receiver that's ever walked on an NFL field.
Speaker 2:
[10:48] So you can have Jerry Rice or Randy Moss?
Speaker 3:
[10:52] Well, I'm going Jerry Rice.
Speaker 2:
[10:53] Okay. But you just said.
Speaker 3:
[10:56] No, I said TO. I said TO and Randy Moss.
Speaker 2:
[11:00] But you said they were the best receivers on the planet.
Speaker 3:
[11:03] I said Randy Moss.
Speaker 2:
[11:04] Okay. But then I said, who would you take? And you said Jerry Rice.
Speaker 3:
[11:08] Well, Jerry Rice won Super Bowls for the 49ers. So I'm going to take Jerry Rice.
Speaker 2:
[11:11] No, you don't get the Niners.
Speaker 3:
[11:14] Oh, then I'll take a Randy Moss.
Speaker 5:
[11:15] Okay.
Speaker 3:
[11:16] Take a Randy Moss.
Speaker 5:
[11:16] That clears that up.
Speaker 3:
[11:17] Take a Randy Moss.
Speaker 2:
[11:18] All right. Dan in Ohio. Good morning, Dan. What's on your mind today?
Speaker 7:
[11:23] Hey, good morning, Dan. A second time, long time. You're going to have Bill Cowher in. He played and coached in Cleveland. And I think he might agree with me. If you want to start a football team in the NFL, there's only one person and that's Jim Brown in any era.
Speaker 2:
[11:42] Okay. You got nine years of Jim Brown.
Speaker 7:
[11:46] Nine of the best leading the NFL and rushing. You put him in any era. He's just great out of the backfield. He was a beast. You know he's one of the top two, maybe players of all time. Why wouldn't you want to start your team with a guy like Jim Brown?
Speaker 2:
[12:07] Yeah. Yeah. You can make that argument. Jim Brown was wonderful. You know, when you retire because you're bored, that says a lot about how good you are because he got bored. He's like, I'm going to go make movies. Yes, Dylan.
Speaker 4:
[12:21] You can get nine years of Jim Brown or about 30 years of Frank Gore for thinking longevity wise. I think I'm taking Frank Gore.
Speaker 2:
[12:30] He might be still playing.
Speaker 4:
[12:33] No one knows, but he's on a team somewhere.
Speaker 2:
[12:35] Isn't his son now in the NFL? No, that's really him.
Speaker 4:
[12:38] Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[12:38] Oh, yeah. Cody in Texas. Hi, Cody. Welcome back.
Speaker 8:
[12:45] Hey, Dan. Man, I think a lot of people are sleeping on Miles Garrett. You look at Miles Garrett, what he's doing right now, what he's doing in India. He's on the ground. Look at Miles Garrett. Hopefully, I'm hoping my boy Jerry today pulls it off. Put him on the Cowboys. Let's give Miles go and Miles Garrett is the most dominant player in the NFL today and in any era.
Speaker 2:
[13:10] Okay.
Speaker 8:
[13:11] I realize.
Speaker 2:
[13:12] I mean, he's a great player. I have no problem with that. Let me see the totality of his career. But what we've seen so far, you know, he's going to be a first foul of the Hall of Famer. Yes, Paul.
Speaker 6:
[13:24] At the age of 30, Miles Garrett is first team all-pro six times.
Speaker 2:
[13:28] Okay.
Speaker 6:
[13:28] That's nutty.
Speaker 2:
[13:29] Yeah.
Speaker 6:
[13:30] But Lawrence Taylor was eight times by the age of 30.
Speaker 2:
[13:34] Okay.
Speaker 6:
[13:35] Just to compare.
Speaker 2:
[13:36] All right. I still keep waiting for Miles Garrett to go. Let's reset the market because Will Anderson is getting 50 million and I'm only getting whatever 40 million. But isn't that crazy how that happened overnight? We're like wide receivers. It felt like when Brandon Iuke is getting 29 million, I go, there's something wrong, something wrong. But now we're seeing these guys blow by that, and now you're getting a $50 million a year player, who's not a quarterback. Yeah, Pauli.
Speaker 6:
[14:08] Miles Garrett, he's more charismatic, but he may get the Mike Trout treatment. Unbelievable career, first Ballot Hall of Fame, three playoff games in ten seasons.
Speaker 2:
[14:17] Okay.
Speaker 6:
[14:18] A little bit.
Speaker 2:
[14:22] Then you see Mike Trout at Yankee Stadium, and he hits like five home runs.
Speaker 3:
[14:25] Reminder.
Speaker 2:
[14:26] Yes. Then you go, God, when he's healthy, but nobody ever sees him play anymore, and you only saw him playing three playoff games. Yes, Mark.
Speaker 3:
[14:33] The worst thing ever is going to be one day in 25 years, somebody is going to say, you know, Mike Trout and Shohei Otani were on the same team at the same time. No playoffs, no nothing.
Speaker 2:
[14:43] Let's see, Jesse in Kansas. Hi, Jess, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 9:
[14:48] Hey, Dan. I got a best and worst of the weekend and a T-shirt idea for a seat, and if someone could pass it along for me, I'd appreciate it. I just want to say really quickly, last year I called in at the draft to say best and worst of the weekend, that my son came home from the NICU. So even though he's going to retire, you're going to retire before he's old enough to call your show, we at least have a tradition of calling your show together. So thanks for everything, Dan.
Speaker 2:
[15:10] Thank you.
Speaker 9:
[15:10] Best and worst of the weekend. There is no, best of the weekend, there's no way the Raiders can make the same mistake they did the last time they had the number one overall pick in 2007. Worst of the weekend, my son has had to hear me tell him how lucky he is that he didn't have to go through what I went through, probably about 30 times just this morning, not alone, you know, this past couple of months. And a t-shirt idea, if you could tell him he might need to make it a little better. One Z, that's like the Combine, you know, the Underwear Olympics, so maybe like a DP show, One Z, something like that, but I appreciate it.
Speaker 2:
[15:47] I think we used to have one. Why not a One Z that looks like Tom Brady when he was at the Combine? You know, where it's kind of dumpy. Like I've woken up in college after a long night and look like Tom Brady showing up at the Combine. And I know, like Tom Cruise wanted to get all of the pictures of his ex-wife, Katie Holmes, naked off the internet. Reportedly, he was trying to buy everything. Like this feels like if you're Tom Brady, you want to buy that picture and take it off the internet. Yes, Paul.
Speaker 6:
[16:17] I think over the past couple of years, it's been the opposite. Tom tweets that out every year around the combine.
Speaker 2:
[16:23] Oh, he does?
Speaker 6:
[16:23] Because he's in such better shape now at 68 years old or whatever he is. And he trumpets the fact that he's in better shape now than he's 21.
Speaker 2:
[16:32] There are pictures we have in the man cave. There's one I don't, it's Tom Brady, but I don't realize it's Tom Brady because his face is bloated. And that's back when he was pounding beers.
Speaker 4:
[16:45] Yes, yes, still as a fellow sweat shorts enthusiast, they might be the least flattering piece of clothing you can wear, which I'm pretty sure you had on in those picture.
Speaker 2:
[16:54] Well, he had shorts on.
Speaker 4:
[16:55] Yeah, but made out of sweatpants.
Speaker 8:
[16:57] Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2:
[16:59] Well, Todd's the king of sweatpants.
Speaker 5:
[17:01] I used to wear sweatpants from elementary school through high school, and it was great.
Speaker 2:
[17:06] Used to.
Speaker 5:
[17:07] I'll still do that. Sometimes underwear, sometimes not. I once had a junior high school Spanish teacher that said, you have really nice sweatpants. I'd wear different colors. That sounds like inappropriate. Looking back, she shouldn't have been saying that to a 14-year-old kid.
Speaker 4:
[17:19] She said, you have really nice sweatpants.
Speaker 5:
[17:21] I don't know if that was her being a wisest, like you maybe shouldn't wear sweatpants to school. But I took that as some comment.
Speaker 4:
[17:25] Thanks.
Speaker 5:
[17:26] I have red ones, turquoise ones, purple ones.
Speaker 2:
[17:28] Wait, you think the teacher was hitting on you?
Speaker 5:
[17:29] She may have been a little bit. You hear these stories about the teachers and the inappropriate relationship, which I never had, which I always wanted.
Speaker 2:
[17:36] How did we get all the way over there to a teacher hitting on you?
Speaker 5:
[17:40] I love scrolling these things and they have these kind of stories. I was supposed to feel bad for the 14-year-old boy that had an opportunity with a hot 40-year-old teacher. Like, oh my God, what did she do to him? I'll sign up for that in 100 out of 100 times.
Speaker 2:
[17:53] Wait, how would you feel if a teacher did that to your son when he was 14?
Speaker 5:
[17:56] I would be upset. I feel sorry for him.
Speaker 2:
[17:58] Oh my God.
Speaker 5:
[17:59] After the initial shock and if I saw what she looked like at the parent-teacher conference, I might give him a high five.
Speaker 4:
[18:04] What if she's really hot, Todd?
Speaker 5:
[18:05] There may be a high five in order. How'd you score that?
Speaker 2:
[18:08] Parent-teacher conference just got a whole lot more interesting there for me.
Speaker 5:
[18:11] How did you get all A's?
Speaker 2:
[18:12] You can't even spell words. How about we take a break? PTA. Bill Cowher, see, we always do this. We have a classy guest on and then we got to, you know, now we got to clean it up.
Speaker 5:
[18:23] It's inappropriate.
Speaker 2:
[18:24] Yeah, spill an aisle sticks. Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 3:
[18:26] Don't anger coach also.
Speaker 2:
[18:28] I know every time I have him, he gets mad. Is he going to get mad in person?
Speaker 3:
[18:34] I think so.
Speaker 2:
[18:35] All right, I might get mad right back at him. Yeah, we'll take a break. Coach Cowher joins us next year. Dan Patrick Show.
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Speaker 2:
[19:22] I don't know if he enjoys coming on the show, but I enjoy having him on the show. Bill Cowher, the Hall of Famer and NFL Today CBS studio analyst who joins us now in the program.
Speaker 10:
[20:09] We're gonna get off to a good start, aren't we?
Speaker 2:
[20:11] I know, I know, we're not gonna argue, we're not gonna yell today, are we? Now, I didn't bring your bobble head, because that's what you looked for, right?
Speaker 10:
[20:18] I was kind of wondering.
Speaker 2:
[20:19] Yeah, I brought a Jerome Bettis bobble head. So, can you pull that mic up to you, coach?
Speaker 10:
[20:25] Yes, you can.
Speaker 2:
[20:26] I didn't want anything to happen to the bobble head you sent me.
Speaker 10:
[20:28] So, that is very thoughtful on your part. Yes. Because you don't want to get lost in the course of the travel.
Speaker 2:
[20:35] I don't want anything damaged other than what's damaged with our relationship here.
Speaker 10:
[20:39] No, no. We're not going down that road.
Speaker 2:
[20:42] No, no. I will not make you mad.
Speaker 3:
[20:44] No.
Speaker 10:
[20:45] We never get mad. We just discuss things sometimes. You take me down dark corridors of my life, but other than that, we're fine.
Speaker 2:
[20:54] Did you ever change your route to get to the stadium, going to the stadium and coming back from the stadium after a game?
Speaker 3:
[21:02] No.
Speaker 10:
[21:03] So on game day, on home games, I would stay in a hotel the night before the game. I would drive up to Fox Chapel and pick up my family, my daughters, my three daughters and my wife, and we would come in together. And so we drive through, and I try to get there obviously two hours before, I try to get in there by 11 o'clock for one o'clock games. And so we would drive through the parking lot. And it was really kind of a neat drive there. And then on the way home, usually we had to wait for the doctors to give us a report. And so we would be sitting there, and certainly it was a lot better atmosphere after a win than it was after a loss. But we would kind of let the crowd go, and then we would drive back up 28 to go back to Fox Chapel. It was about a 20-minute drive from the stadium.
Speaker 2:
[21:49] What happens though if after a loss and you're pulling over for gas?
Speaker 10:
[21:53] Well, I wouldn't get gas on game day. So I mean, my gas came like during the course of the week. If I go in on a Tuesday, drop the kids off. If we win, I just drop the kids off, go by the gas station. But if we lost, honestly, as I got around here more often, I'd wait till Tuesday night. So on my way back, self-serve, around 11.45, 12 o'clock at night. Because if you go in there during the day, everyone just tells you, you're throwing the ball way too much. You're not playing very good defense. Why don't you try this? I got a lot of suggestions along the way. And I just very respectful of the people here. This is a very knowledgeable fan base and very passionate fan base. And they kind of take things personal. As you know about Pittsburgh, as you get around here, it's very territorial. I grew up on the other side of that hill right there, about four miles from the stadium, place called Crafton, Pennsylvania. And you learn very quickly, as you look around here, that it's a city with a lot of communities connected by bridges. But there's a proud element of your community that you represent. And so you understand that it does become a little territorial, it becomes personal. And I kind of took that philosophy in my way of talking about games each week and trying to make every game personal because I grew up that way here.
Speaker 2:
[23:13] But was there any part of you that said, I don't want to screw up this franchise? Like I'm a local, I'm honored, but I might be the guy who doesn't do well here and let everybody down.
Speaker 10:
[23:26] Oh, yeah. Like, yeah, that happens a lot. You know, I got the job, I was 34 years old. And I'll never forget, I remember I was in Kansas City, I came in with my wife and we went back. I remember laying in bed that night, I said, wow, if I don't screw this up in three years, I'm gonna go back to my 20th high school class reunion at Carlington High School, being the head coach of my hometown team. So my first thing was, don't screw this up.
Speaker 2:
[23:50] Wait, you went back to your high school reunion?
Speaker 10:
[23:53] In my 20th year, yeah. I mean, for my 20th high school class, and that was three years in. And I do have a story about that. So it was, we lost the San Diego Charger Championship game that year. And so we had it that spring. And so I said to my wife, I said, listen, you know, I gotta go to the 20th class reunion. And then she goes, all we're gonna do is go there. I'm gonna tell you how great you are as a coach, blah, blah, blah. I go, no, no, I go, promise, I'm just gonna go. It's gonna be just a drive by. We're gonna go in. I got a nice place for us to have dinner up on Mount Washington. I said, we're just gonna say hi. And so we get on right here. It's like there's the gateway clipper. So it's on here. I said, oh, they look pretty cool. They have a dinner on the water. It's just really cool. So I get on there and all of a sudden I'm talking to a bunch of guys. All of a sudden I feel the thing moving. We just, it's a dinner cruise. I go, oh, shit. So I look over, I look over and my wife is looking at me like, wow. I go, no, no, honestly, I didn't. Well, now on a dinner cruise from three hours, the first hour, everyone's very cordial. The second hour after all my buddies had a few drinks, they're telling me, like, why you screwed up that San Diego charger game, okay? Like you made some bad calls. You know, you're too good to get us tickets now. So now by the end of the three hour cruise, I have about two people I'm talking to. I'm mad at all my friends, my wife's not talking to me. We drive home, I go, wow, that was a nice night. So that was my 20th high school class reunion.
Speaker 2:
[25:20] When's the last time you bought a beer in Pittsburgh?
Speaker 10:
[25:24] It's been a while. I, you know, I don't come back that often, to be quite honest with you. My brothers do live here. I come back during the season a lot, sometimes in the off season. And, you know, I love this city. It takes me back down memory lane so many times. Going back into Crafton and just where you were raised and going by Carlington High School, going into Carnegie at Honest Wagner Field. It was right off the street.
Speaker 2:
[25:49] Did your parents get to enjoy all this?
Speaker 10:
[25:51] Yeah, they did. They did. My dad, you know, he didn't come to the Superbowl that we won in 2005, but he sat at home and watched it. And they did. They, you know, my dad's great story is my first year was 1992. And Neil O'Donnell was a starter. Bubby, I made him the starter. Neil O'Donnell got hurt like week 10 or 11. I put Bubby Brister in, finished out the season like the last three or four games. We were like two and two, but Bubby was getting better each game. He hadn't played all year. And we get into a playoff game against the Buffalo Bills. I put Neil O'Donnell back in thinking that no starter should lose, no starter should lose his job to injury. At the time, I thought, okay, that's the way it should be. I was thinking that's the proper way of doing it. We get into the game and Neil hadn't played in over a month, didn't play well. I don't think I made the right decision at the time. I sat back and said, wow, I put a guy in and hadn't played in five weeks for the biggest playoff game of the career. Anyway, so I'm thinking that myself. I go over to the house afterwards, on a Sunday or like it was after all the playoffs were over. And we're sitting there and we got all the kids were there and my brothers are there. My dad is sitting in the same seat, pops an Iron City beer. He goes, I bet that was damn Steelers. How dumb was that? Was it start Neil O'Donnell hadn't played over a month over Bobby Bresher? I go, dad, I go, that was me. Your son didn't make that decision. You know, he said he goes, well, I'm sure you had a good reason, but it's still a stupid decision. Like, okay, do you want to hear it? So, you know, my dad was a, my dad was that guy. He was a Pittsburgher through and through. I mean, he's sitting in the kitchen and listen to my coat on the games. Listen to him at night on the talk radio. He was a true sports lover. Didn't play it. He loved baseball more than anything. And yeah, it was, we had a special family.
Speaker 2:
[27:48] He's Bill Cowher, the Hall of Famer. We've asked this question first 90 minutes of the program. You could draft anybody. Number one, start a franchise. But you don't get, like, if you get Jerry Rice, you don't get Joe Montana. If you get Tom Brady, you don't get Bill Belichick, et cetera. So number one overall pick, no matter what era.
Speaker 10:
[28:12] Well, I was in here earlier and listening to your show, and a gentleman from Cleveland made a statement about Jim Brown. He was a pretty special player, pretty special individual. But I think you have to start with the quarterback position, I mean, to be quite frankly, and honestly, I think Tom Brady to me, I've been going against him for all the years. I'm not saying that Joe Montana wasn't a product of the system, but he had a lot of good people around him. I watched Tom Brady grow as a player, and his ability to try to defend him, him and Peyton Manning were very similar, but I thought Tom was just, he had a more accurate arm, I thought at times, but I think him and Peyton Manning to me, were two guys that were the face of your franchise, no one would work harder, they knew what preparation was all about, they didn't get flustered in the highest of stress situations. They were, they led by example. And I think those two guys to me, Brady and to Peyton Manning, I think to me, are the two guys.
Speaker 2:
[29:16] Yeah, I would probably say John Elway. I think he did more individually than those two did. The other ones were probably, Tom was a better quarterback. If I take away quarterback and I say any other position.
Speaker 10:
[29:30] I'm going to say Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 2:
[29:32] Okay.
Speaker 10:
[29:32] I mean, he was, he was my, I had the opportunity to coach Derek Thomas as Ron the same time frame and Lawrence Taylor to me, he could wreck havoc in a game. He could just, he was a disruptive, this was one of the most disruptive players at his time in the game today.
Speaker 2:
[29:51] I would say Reggie White, although I did get to see Lawrence Taylor when I was in New York covering the Giants. And I always tell people there's speed when you're watching on TV, and then there's in the moment speed when you're standing on the sidelines. And it's completely different. Like I can't imagine, you know, we can see everything unfold and everybody's an expert. But when you see it on the sidelines and you're going, I don't know how it's so quick. Lawrence Taylor got around the end, I mean, he created a position. He was the first edge rusher that we labeled.
Speaker 10:
[30:27] You know, I just, you think about the draft as we're coming up, and you think about, to me, hybrid players. A guy like Caleb Downs, to me, is a guy that I think is one of those types of guys that you could put him anywhere in the field. Reminds me a lot of Troy Palamale, you know, and Troy Palamale was a very disruptive player.
Speaker 2:
[30:45] Was he allowed to do whatever he wanted to?
Speaker 10:
[30:47] He wasn't. He earned the right to do that. So, you know, he made a lot of mistakes his first year. And I remember a couple of times, like, you know, I would go into the facility over here, and he was always in there. He was the first one in there and the last one to leave watching tape. And the only other person that was much of a name was Rod Woodson. These guys watched more tape. They were looking for any competitive edge they could get, whether it be a stance, whether it be a split, whether it be a formational thing that they saw on the road, at home, certain ways that people did it. So it got to a point where, you know, I just remember telling Chris Open, I actually told Ryan Clark, I met saw him last night. I said, you know, when the first thing I told Ryan Clark, I said, listen, you're coming in here. I said, I just got to tell you one thing. You know, Troy Palmalu is going to do some things that aren't unorthodox. And at times he will not play the defense. And I need you to be able to cover up for him. He goes, what do you mean cover up for him? I says, because he's not going to follow the defense. He goes, you don't have to follow the defense around here? I go, no, no, no, no. He doesn't have to follow the defense. But you need to be able to cover up for him. He goes, what do you mean cover up for him? I said, well, if it's too deep and he sees something, he may blitz. I go, I said, well, how do I cover up for him? I said, well, you start talking to the two corners and tell them to back up. Now we're playing a three deep defense suddenly and we'll just go from there. He goes, can anybody do it? I go, no, no, no. He goes, how often is he wrong? I go, not often. I said, the one thing I don't want to do is harness him. Because when he had a feel for something, he could play very free and do things that were disruptive. You don't harness greatness. I think the biggest thing you do and I learned that a little bit with Ben, is let him do his thing. Yes, there's structure. Yes, there's guidelines. Yes, there's an approach we have to it. But these are players that in the heat of the moment, they can acclimate to the situation. They get a feel for the game. I have a feel from the sideline, but you're on that field. If you have that feel for the game, well, I can allow you to play free, play fast, and be aggressive. I like that and I'll live with the periodic mistakes.
Speaker 2:
[33:05] Give me the player you wanted to draft and you weren't allowed to.
Speaker 10:
[33:09] Jevon Kirst, 1999, we took Troy Edwards.
Speaker 2:
[33:13] You were overruled?
Speaker 10:
[33:15] I don't want to go into it. No, you know, I knew it, I see. I knew you were doing this. I knew it. You did this.
Speaker 2:
[33:24] I didn't know the answer.
Speaker 10:
[33:24] I was just thinking about this this morning. I go like, I think of all the drafts I had. Who was like your worst pick? And you had to go last.
Speaker 2:
[33:31] I didn't.
Speaker 10:
[33:31] You did. You said like, was I overruled? Do you want me to go into that discussion?
Speaker 2:
[33:36] Do you want to open the bottle of wine and start drinking now?
Speaker 10:
[33:39] No, but that was a very quick answer to that question because Javon Kurs at the time would have been a perfect outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense. And Troy was a receiver, run after the catch guy. Yeah, it was not, it was, but we had, I wish I could say that there was an overrule. There was just no communication. And so it led to some change.
Speaker 2:
[34:09] Okay, I'll leave you with this. If you were coaching the Steelers, yes. How would you feel about your quarterbacking situation?
Speaker 10:
[34:18] We've got to give Will Howard a chance. I think Aaron will come back at some point. I really do. You know, I go back to the same thing, Dan. I think the Steelers can't chase the quarterback. The quarterback is going to come, build it around them. You know, kind of like what we did. You know, we had Tommy Maddox. We want to game with him, Tom Zach, Cordell, Neil O'Donnell. You know, when Ben came along, that team was built. Okay. And I think this right now from the Pittsburgh Steelers, build this thing. I think an offensive alignment tonight is going to be the pick they have to make. I said, you know, put that offensive line there. You got a couple of receivers. Whether it's Will Howard or Aaron Rodgers, maybe the next guy is not here yet, I don't know. But when that next guy comes, it's plug, insert and win. And that's why I say to me, it's like build everything else around him. You know, don't keep chasing something that you're trying to manufacture. It will happen.
Speaker 2:
[35:12] The one piece of advice you gave to Mike Tomlin for TV was what?
Speaker 10:
[35:17] Just be yourself. Honestly, I think that's the biggest thing for Mike. And I think a lot of guys who have left have come back. I did not go back. My situation is a little bit differently than those guys.
Speaker 2:
[35:29] You think Mike's going to do this as a career?
Speaker 10:
[35:32] I don't think so. I think he loves the sideline. I think he loves the competition. I think he loves that arena. He's an arena guy. And I think when I left, I left for my wife's reasons. It didn't work out and I got remarried. And I didn't want to take someone back into that world again. I said, you know, it's just, it's a, I would, I didn't want to do that again. And quite frankly, I left on my own and I could never envision myself being in another uniform except black and gold.
Speaker 2:
[36:12] Thanks for taking time. I know you got a busy schedule. I know you're gonna be on Pat McAfee, his draft show. Would you like to hit somebody before you leave?
Speaker 10:
[36:21] Well, the fact that you don't have my bobble head up there, and you blame it on the fact that transportation was an issue, because I can see how much that really takes up a lot of space right there, because you know when that even happens. See how big that is? And then the fact you had to go down and ask me about my worst draft pick. So I appreciate the fact that we're back to normal.
Speaker 2:
[36:38] Would you like to tackle me?
Speaker 10:
[36:39] Um, no, no, no, I mean, no, no, I would just like to let you keep thinking I'm going to tackle you.
Speaker 2:
[36:46] I like that.
Speaker 10:
[36:46] You can walk around, you can walk on eggshells the rest of your life, and I will always be following you. I told you, if I came to Pittsburgh, I'm coming to be on your show. I know, I know. And I'm a man of my word.
Speaker 2:
[36:57] My head is always on a swivel, Coach.
Speaker 10:
[36:58] Yes, no, you're good. You're good. I enjoy our talks through the course of the season, because the one thing I do get to talk about with you is more the philosophical approach to some of the things that are taking place. I love the National Football League. I feel like on my platform at CBS, being kind of a guardian of the game, I like to call bullshit if I have to do it periodically. And sometimes I think that we get caught up in the, what we perceive, what we want it to look like, as opposed to just doing the right thing. And Mr. Rooney used to always say this, I'll leave you one last story. Dan Rooney, at times I would talk to him on a Friday afternoon, everybody's out of the building. I'm in there just preparing my last little bit for my meeting that next day, that next night. And I'd say, Danny, listen, I just want you to know, I may pull the quarterback this week. I don't like the way he's practiced, I don't like the way he's been playing, I'm not sure he's into this. And I said, well, I want you to know beforehand so that you're not blindsided by this. He would just say, okay, were you going to dinner? And I said, well, we're going to dinner at the club. He goes, well, have the girls got anything this week? I go, the girls are fine. I just want to make sure you know about this quarterback thing. He'd turn and he'd walk away. I'm like, can I say something to offend him? He would stop at the door, he would look back, he said, coach, just do the right thing. And he would walk away. I go, well, that didn't help. But you know what, though? You know what it was? Understand the consequences of the choices you make. Are you doing it for one person or are you doing it for the team? Are you worried about hurting someone's feelings or do you think sometimes that has to happen in the course of having personal growth or which will give us substantially team growth? So just doing the right thing sometimes is not the easiest thing to do. And sometimes the easiest thing to do isn't always the right thing to do.
Speaker 2:
[38:45] I'm ready to run through a wall for you. Oh, yeah. Bill Cowher, everybody. We'll be back after this.
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Speaker 2:
[39:38] Todd, I'll start with you. Who shakes things up tonight?
Speaker 5:
[39:42] I'm going to go back and double down from what I said the other day. And Jeremiyah Love to the Cowboys to block the Giants from getting them. That's going to be my big prediction.
Speaker 2:
[39:51] Dylan?
Speaker 4:
[39:52] Well, Dan, I think my Ravens are going to take a tight end in the Kenyan Siddiq either at 14 or trade down and take my guy Eli Stowers to pair him up with Mark Andrews after losing.
Speaker 2:
[40:02] Look at you.
Speaker 4:
[40:03] Isaiah Likely.
Speaker 2:
[40:04] Going deep on the board there, Paul.
Speaker 6:
[40:06] I hope this doesn't happen, but I think from the hot move tonight with the draft, the Arizona Cardinals at three will take Jeremiyah Love, which I don't think they should do. It's not great for him. And then they'll come back at the end of the first round, trade into the first round and get Ty Simpson of Alabama and revamp their franchise.
Speaker 2:
[40:22] That's pretty hot. Marvin?
Speaker 3:
[40:24] The New York Giants select Sonny Styles first with the fifth pick in the draft.
Speaker 2:
[40:29] Okay. And then what do they do at 10?
Speaker 3:
[40:34] That's a great question. I didn't get that far.
Speaker 2:
[40:37] Oh, sorry. Yeah. I only told you to give me one draft pick, so my bad. I think the Titans are going to take Jeremiyah Love. And I'd like to see him go to the Commanders, because with Jane Daniels, Jeremiyah Love, I think that would be a lot of fun. I don't know if you're the Giants at five and Jeremiyah Love is there. Do you go, you know what, we did this running back before with Saquon Barkley. Let's not do it again. I think they'll go defense probably with both of those picks. Get a quote at libertymutual.com or your local independent agent. Final hour on this Thursday coming up, we'll be busy. Kirk Curb Street is going to stop by and his dog, and we didn't decide who's better looking, Herbie or his dog. I'm going to go with his dog. And Kurt Warner will join us. I'm sure he'll have a Super Bowl ring on his hand. Final hour on this Thursday here in Pittsburgh.