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Speaker 1:
[00:00] You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2:
[00:06] We did it. We made it to Thursday. Beautiful day in Pittsburgh. Great crowd here at the Distillery Complex in Pittsburgh. Our home away from home all week long. Stat of the day brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the program. All of our guests this week receive a gift bag provided by Rectech, Panini, Penske, Dude Wipes as well. First hour brought to you by Miller Lite. We indulge, what's with the sunglasses back row? Todd?
Speaker 3:
[00:36] It's exceptionally bright and I know there must be a reason for that from a visual standpoint on Peacock, but I'm just feeling like a slow burn of my cornea and he's complaining of retina issues.
Speaker 4:
[00:45] We're elevated back here.
Speaker 3:
[00:46] We're not trying to be like cool or anything like that, like we have our motorcycle parked outside. It's just very bright at the angle that we're sitting at.
Speaker 4:
[00:52] We share a Vespa actually.
Speaker 2:
[00:54] What, Paul?
Speaker 5:
[00:55] Dan, I checked with control and this is the same lights we use on every remote, the same settings of every lights on every remote. Back to you.
Speaker 3:
[01:02] I find that difficult to believe. I think like if the knob is supposed to go up to 80, it feels like it's on about 67.
Speaker 2:
[01:07] 67?
Speaker 3:
[01:07] Yeah. It's just super bright, but that's fine. I'm going to squint my way through the laptop vision and we'll be all right.
Speaker 2:
[01:11] Would you like to leave?
Speaker 3:
[01:12] I would like to stay.
Speaker 2:
[01:13] Okay.
Speaker 3:
[01:14] I'm just saying, you asked me why I'm wearing sunglasses.
Speaker 2:
[01:16] No, I'm just saying. Let's not jump the gun here. Since I'm human resources, I want to make sure that I'm providing a safe environment.
Speaker 3:
[01:22] If I have an optimologist appointment May 11, then that could be the difference between me going, you know, TOZ, CELDF or whatever letters I have to guess. Back to you in the studio.
Speaker 2:
[01:30] It's going to be a long day. It's going to be a long day, isn't it? Friday Fritzy on Thursday. Yes. Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 6:
[01:36] But if Fritzy leaves, we won't hear, I'm talking Pittsburgh, kill me now.
Speaker 2:
[01:43] That song has stayed in my head.
Speaker 3:
[01:45] It's a bit of an earworm.
Speaker 2:
[01:46] It's terrible. But you provided, you want to give a little bit.
Speaker 3:
[01:50] Clemente, Cobra and Pops. That was the kind of a thing there.
Speaker 2:
[01:56] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[01:56] Black and yellow song.
Speaker 2:
[01:57] That's great. First hour brought to you by Miller Lite. There's a moment for everybody. Grab life by the beer by Miller Lite. Legendary moments. Start with a Miller Lite. Play of the Day poll question. Stat of the day, all of that forthcoming. Fritzy's here, Dylan's here, Paulie, and we also have Marvin Daniel Jeremiah, the former front office scout for a couple of teams in the NFL. He'll join us with his final mock draft. He'll join us coming up. Bill Cower will stop by. Kirk Herbstreet. Let me hear it, Steelers fans. Here we go, Steelers. Thank you, man, thank you.
Speaker 4:
[02:49] It's a nightmare, Dan.
Speaker 2:
[02:51] Yeah, Dylan is a Ravens fan. Is that a Ravens cap that you have on?
Speaker 4:
[02:58] It's an unofficial one, but I got it from our boy, Kimono Dave in San Francisco. He knew I was a Ravens fan. Okay. So it's a custom piece.
Speaker 2:
[03:04] Oh, okay. One of one.
Speaker 4:
[03:06] One of one.
Speaker 2:
[03:07] Yes, Paul.
Speaker 5:
[03:08] Some woman just flipped off Dylan.
Speaker 4:
[03:09] Wow.
Speaker 2:
[03:10] Rude.
Speaker 5:
[03:12] True Steelers fan.
Speaker 4:
[03:13] I stand by the fact that at least we're not in Philadelphia, so I have not gotten up yet.
Speaker 2:
[03:17] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[03:18] Yeah, we can agree on that.
Speaker 2:
[03:19] You're lucky. Yeah. You wouldn't have lasted this long in Philadelphia.
Speaker 4:
[03:23] Now with the Eagles fans.
Speaker 2:
[03:25] So Kirk Herbstreet and his dog are going to stop by a little later on, and Hall of Famer Kurt Orner will join us as well. 877-3DP show, email address, dp.danpatrick.com, Twitter handle at dp show. Good morning if you're watching on Peacock and the NBC Sports Network, also listening on our great radio affiliate. It's over 400 cities that carry this program. Draft night tonight. Now, Jay Glazer was on Barstool yesterday, and he teased that something big could be happening. Now, he didn't say much more than that. He said something might be in the works. So, being a journalist that I am, I reached out to Jay Glazer this morning, and I said, Jay, what kind of big thing could be happening? He said, blown out of proportion, it's not a Travis Hunter kind of deal. But that was all he said. He said, what's happening is a lot of these teams are kind of in a holding pattern, that if this happens, they're going to do this. If this happens, they're going to do this. If none of those things happen, they're going to do this. So you have a lot of what if scenarios. The teams are filling out their draft board where it's almost like A, B and C could be happening here. Can Arizona move out of three? Which I'm told that they want to. Can the Titans move out of four? Which is what I was told. Who's moving up? What do you have to give up? And there's only one guy it feels like you're moving up for, that's Jeremiyah Love. But the question is, do the Giants at five, if Jeremiyah Love is all of a sudden there, the commanders. I'm told the Saints really like Jeremiyah Love. Now, once again, you get told a lot of things. And if you have a platform, then you start to talk about this. Now other teams are like, oh, are the Saints moving up? So all of a sudden, you know, you don't trust anybody, but you do listen if somebody says they're moving up or moving down. I do think the Saints will be active. I think they like Jeremiyah Love. The question is, the value of going up to get a running back, and how much sense that makes in today's NFL. Now, I would go after Jeremiyah Love. I think he's the best player in the draft. But at that position, can I get five years out of him? And I always go back to Ezekiel Elliott. I knew he'd be a good football player in the NFL. I just didn't want him for more than five years. And the Cowboys re-signed him. By the way, did you see Jerry Jones was holding a press conference, and he saw Bill Clinton, and he about, you know, did it. He went right down, stumbling off the podium to go say hello to Bill Clinton there.
Speaker 5:
[06:01] Secret Service was scrambling.
Speaker 2:
[06:02] Yeah, I'm like, what's going on here, Jerry? And now, the Cowboys have, Jerry's put it out there. He's great at doing this. He's a showman. Hey, the Cowboys could be active in moving up. Now, I was told this morning that if they're moving up, it would probably be a defensive player. That they want to maybe try to get another great defensive player. It feels like they're trying to replace Micah Parsons after trading away Micah Parsons, but that's what I was told with the Cowboys. It's not a sexy draft. I don't know if we're going to have anything crazy here, but I do think in 10 years from now, we'll look back on the draft and you'll go, boy, they stockpiled their team by getting these players. You're not going to have big ticket items here, but you're going to have players that might be playing 7 to 10 years. But that's how you win. If you look at Seattle, you can't name anybody on their defensive front, but that defensive front helped win a Super Bowl there, how they handled the Patriots. By the way, Mike Grable is not going to be with the Patriots for day three of the draft. It was announced this morning that he is going to seek counseling for the third day of the draft. So, it's Saturday, going into counseling. Now, I know we tend to be cynical on this show, and we take great pride in being cynical on this show, but why not go into counseling today? I mean, that's just me. Or maybe Monday, if you want to. So, this is what I found out. I said, well, why are we waiting for counseling after day three? And I'm sure PR said, hey, this will look good. You know, you're going to counseling. I was told that if he goes in day three, he doesn't have to meet with the media after the draft, because after day three, then you get everybody, coaches, they meet with the media and you have a draft review. Well, if you're not there on day three, you don't have to have a draft review. But, he's going to be, Mike Brable is going into counseling on Saturday. Yes, Martin.
Speaker 6:
[08:17] What kind of counseling?
Speaker 2:
[08:18] I don't know that. It might be hand holding counseling, like how to hold hands with somebody and not give the feeling that maybe there's something else going on. Yes, Paul.
Speaker 5:
[08:32] You kind of alluded to this, but it feels like a PR crisis team advised Mike Brable and his camp that if you do this, it'll look like you're focusing on family, not on football, and it'll change the perception of you. How do they not realize that everyone's going to look at us and go, this is so faux?
Speaker 2:
[08:46] I know. I know. Yes, Todd.
Speaker 3:
[08:48] That's like saying coach will not be around for preseason or game three, but he will be back for week one from the start of the season. It's like kind of nothing gets the latter rounds of the draft, but come on, you can miss the third day, and I'm sure there's other executives that can figure it out.
Speaker 2:
[09:01] Don't you think you need him on the third day because you spent all the time on the first two days? The third day is when you try to find those sleepers there, like a sixth round pick out of Michigan who's going to be a hall of fame quarterback or something? Yes, yes, Marvin?
Speaker 6:
[09:14] No, counseling was really important. We had to wait until the third day. It was really, really important that he goes on Saturday. Is it open? Is counseling open on Saturdays? Thursday, Friday, Monday, Tuesday, the week. That's a good question. Days of the week?
Speaker 2:
[09:29] You make it seem like I've been in counseling for holding hands with somebody.
Speaker 5:
[09:33] You may have to pay time and a half for a Saturday session.
Speaker 2:
[09:35] By the way, it is a meat Thursday. I walked in, I saw the Rectek Grills fired up, which means we are too. Smashed bratwurst with hot capicola primanti style on the smoke stone, herb crusted pork loin, grilled steakhouse burgers, wood-fired pesto with hot capicola pizza. Who has it better than we do?
Speaker 7:
[10:00] No, I do.
Speaker 2:
[10:01] All righty. Dylan, do the honors poll question today.
Speaker 4:
[10:04] All right, Dan, well, we got a couple. I actually have some from Todd that are fun. I'll read them exactly as he sent them. Pittsburgh is, I love this city, born and raised baby. I would probably only go there for work purposes. A lovely place. I will most certainly be back for another visit. No thank you. I'm going to fly now with Rocky in Philly.
Speaker 2:
[10:26] What's your answer, Todd?
Speaker 3:
[10:28] My answer is, I will come back again to visit. I actually called my wife when I got here after I walked around and saw PNC Park and everything, and I will totally come back. I saw some nice restaurants. I didn't do that little thing that goes up the mountain there, that little tram ride. I heard that's a fun thing.
Speaker 4:
[10:42] Todd asked me how fast it goes. I was like, a mile an hour.
Speaker 3:
[10:44] It's not like amusement parks. It's like a ride.
Speaker 2:
[10:47] No, there is no way. You get claustrophobic. There is no way you're going to.
Speaker 3:
[10:51] It looks pretty steep. But I was told there's all kinds of shops and restaurants. You got to see the other side of the mountain, the Appalachian Trail, whatever is going on up there.
Speaker 2:
[10:58] So I don't know.
Speaker 3:
[10:59] My geography is not great. But yeah, you go up there to shops and restaurants and then they don't take, I guess, a credit card. So you got to go to an ATM once you get to the top and you got to get the cash and then give it back to them.
Speaker 2:
[11:09] Are you pandering right now? No.
Speaker 3:
[11:11] As far as what my answer was, I would come back.
Speaker 2:
[11:13] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[11:14] I will totally come back. I may get in the prime of those glass houses or whatever it's called.
Speaker 2:
[11:19] Yes, Paul.
Speaker 5:
[11:19] I do love the setup with the football stadium. Baseball right there, right over the river, easily accessible.
Speaker 2:
[11:25] They did it right. I love the atmosphere.
Speaker 5:
[11:28] That was pandering, by the way.
Speaker 2:
[11:30] Bill Cower, once again, is going to be joining us coming up, second hour of the program. He's given TV advice to Mike Tomlin, I believe. I think Coach Cower's giving... Yeah, he's probably saying, you know what? Stay in TV. It's a great gig because Cower left at 49 and never came back. But we'll see. I think Tomlin's either two years TV and back out, or he's a lifer. All right, Paul, you got a poll question you want to add to the mix here.
Speaker 5:
[12:00] I have a question I've been sitting on for a while. I was going to do this last draft, and this is an all day question for the show, for you, for us.
Speaker 2:
[12:07] So this is a year in the making.
Speaker 5:
[12:09] Year in the making. Wow. It's a big build up.
Speaker 2:
[12:11] We don't prepare a huge, dead bar in advance.
Speaker 5:
[12:13] I'd like to ask you to ask all the guests today. OK. If you had the number one pick in an all time NFL draft, every single player who's ever played is on the board. And this player you will start your franchise with, knowing what you know about his playing career. Who would you pick number one? And we'll all save our answers for the next segment. But it's, if you draft blank, you get whatever years he played, whatever health he had. But you don't get Bill Walsh with Joe Montana. You're just taking Joe Montana if it's Joe Montana.
Speaker 2:
[12:41] OK.
Speaker 5:
[12:42] If it's Tom Brady, you don't get Bella Check in the defense.
Speaker 2:
[12:46] I'm taking Shadour Sanders.
Speaker 3:
[12:50] Pro Bowler.
Speaker 2:
[12:52] Mel Kuyper might take Shadour Sanders before I do. But, well, everybody will have an answer and an opinion on this after the break, Todd?
Speaker 3:
[13:02] After the break.
Speaker 2:
[13:03] OK.
Speaker 3:
[13:03] You guys probably know my pick, but we'll keep that safe.
Speaker 2:
[13:06] Yeah. Yeah. Number seven. Yeah. All right. Let me see. Anything else? Caitlin DeBoer got his contract extended, but so did Nate Oates, the basketball coach. I was told this was in the work since December. They promised Caitlin DeBoer in December, and they felt that they should do the basketball coach as well, Nate Oates. This just feels like it's another college football buyout. It's like Jimbo Fisher, 77 million, Brian Kelly, 53, James Franklin, 48. Feels like that's the new wave here of extending these coaches. It's just like, yeah, we're going to show a commitment here until we buy you out and get somebody else. Because I thought Caitlin DeBoer in Michigan was real. I thought that was real this past year. Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 6:
[13:51] Who's got it better than fired college football head coaches?
Speaker 2:
[13:54] No, nobody.
Speaker 6:
[13:56] Nobody.
Speaker 2:
[13:57] All right. We'll come back with Daniel Jeremiah's final mock draft, and we'll get to phone calls as well, 877-3DP show. We're back after this in The Dan Patrick Show.
Speaker 1:
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Speaker 2:
[14:56] We've got our poll question today. It's phone calls coming up. Daniel Jeremiah, NFL Network Analyst. He'll join us here momentarily. Nobody's hotter than the quarterbacks who aren't available for this year's draft, because I got the Heisman odds here, just got them from Draft Kings. Arch Manning and CJ Carr of Notre Dame, best odds to win the Heisman. Then it's Dante Moore, Julian Sayen, Trinidad Shambles, back for his sixth year in college.
Speaker 5:
[15:25] Dr. Shambles.
Speaker 2:
[15:25] Yes, Josh Hoover and Darian Mensah, but CJ Carr, I remember Brady Quinn was with it. Now granted, Brady Quinn, Notre Dame guy, but he said during the year that he thought CJ Carr was the best quarterback in college football. Dan Orlovsky's all in on CJ. It doesn't take long for these guys to fall in love with quarterbacks, because it wasn't long ago when Orlovsky was in love with Ty Simpson, because he already moved on to another quarterback here. But CJ Carr and Arch Manning are the favorites for the Heisman Trophy coming up next year. Andrew in Washington leads us off this morning. Good morning, Andrew. What's on your mind?
Speaker 8:
[16:08] Good morning, Dan Danettes. Thanks for taking my call. Great set in Pittsburgh, as you guys have mentioned, with a nice view behind you. Just real quick, it's been a tradition since the Kenny Pickett draft, but Paul and I have always had a first-day draft bet, and I was wondering if he is willing to fancy another bet this year for today, and I would go off of what Albert Brewer said on Monday, the over-under of quarterbacks taken in the first round of one and a half. He can choose if he wants over or under if he wants to take the bet.
Speaker 2:
[16:39] All right, Paul, do you want over or under quarterbacks taken first round?
Speaker 5:
[16:43] I will take over. I think someone will trade up into the end of the first round to get Ty Simpson, so I will take two in round one.
Speaker 2:
[16:50] All right. Okay. Thank you, Andrew. Todd, you're going to start your franchise all time. Who are you taking?
Speaker 3:
[16:57] I'm going to go with seven, John Elway.
Speaker 2:
[17:00] All right. What about you, Dylan?
Speaker 4:
[17:02] I'm inclined to say Ed Reed, but I'll probably go with Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 2:
[17:06] All right.
Speaker 3:
[17:07] Paul?
Speaker 5:
[17:08] Now, you get their whole career, but all the injuries and whatever happens, I'm going to go with Reggie White. I will get a first team all-pro defensive lineman for 15 years. No drop-off, no injuries.
Speaker 2:
[17:20] All right. Marvin?
Speaker 6:
[17:22] Is it okay if I do a repeat?
Speaker 5:
[17:24] He's off the board.
Speaker 2:
[17:25] Oh, I didn't know we're taking him off the board. Okay. Who would you take?
Speaker 6:
[17:30] Ray Lewis.
Speaker 2:
[17:31] Okay.
Speaker 4:
[17:34] Great answer, Marvin. Fantastic answer.
Speaker 6:
[17:37] I'm sorry, Greg Lloyd.
Speaker 2:
[17:40] Yes, Paul.
Speaker 5:
[17:41] Some people online said obviously it's Tom Brady, but Tom Brady is reliant on the team around him and the coach he had. You don't get all that stuff. Or even with Joe Montana. Would Joe Montana be Joe Montana if he didn't have everything around him with the Niners?
Speaker 2:
[17:57] Would Jerry Rice be Jerry Rice without Steve Young and Joe Montana?
Speaker 5:
[18:00] Right. I think Fritzy's pick is really great because John Elway was fantastic anywhere with his abilities and probably would have been regardless of the team. Same with Dan Marino. Dan Marino, if he went to the Niners, probably would have four Super Bowl rings.
Speaker 2:
[18:14] Yes, Todd.
Speaker 3:
[18:15] They did have those three amigos that helped to rise John Elway to greatness.
Speaker 2:
[18:19] Okay. All right. I would probably lean towards Reggie White. If I want sustainability and greatness, I think he was an all-pro at 26 and 36, something crazy like that. Having seen Lawrence Taylor up close in games from the sidelines, I've never seen somebody so fast and strike fear in the opposition like LT did. He changed game plans. More than probably anybody that I've ever witnessed in the history of football, defensively. But I would say Reggie White because I don't think there's... Mean Joe Green would be similar to him, but I think Reggie White might be the best defensive player of all time. Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 5:
[19:01] I'm looking at Reggie White's stats. He was defensive player of the year at age 25 and again at age 36, which is nuts. You know how many times he was not all-pro? None. His worst season, he was all-pro.
Speaker 2:
[19:14] Yes, Mark.
Speaker 6:
[19:15] Left tackles need to thank Lawrence Taylor for getting paid the way they do because they don't get it without Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 2:
[19:21] But I can also look at a defensive player. He doesn't need other players. Like Reggie White didn't need other teammates to be great. Your quarterback needs other players, your offensive line, wide receivers, etc. Your running back needs offensive line. So you're always dependent on somebody. I think that's where Reggie was different. Yes, Mark.
Speaker 6:
[19:40] LT won the league MVP award. You know how ridiculous that sounds? Somebody's got to have 48,000 sacks in a season.
Speaker 2:
[19:48] Not that many.
Speaker 6:
[19:49] 47,000. Sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 2:
[19:51] Yes, Dylan.
Speaker 4:
[19:52] Well, LT also invented the position. So on top of getting tackles paid, he's also gotten edge rushers paid, too.
Speaker 2:
[19:58] Daniel Jeremiah, NFL Network analyst, co-host of Move the Sticks podcast. You can see him throughout NFL Network's coverage of the draft tonight starting at 8 Eastern. Here's Daniel Jeremiyah back on the program. Good to see you.
Speaker 9:
[20:23] Tradition continues.
Speaker 2:
[20:24] Yes, it does. We always love having you. Let's start with the question. You can take one player, start your franchise all time.
Speaker 9:
[20:33] I'll take John Elway.
Speaker 2:
[20:34] Okay.
Speaker 9:
[20:35] Yeah. I just think that the talent was ridiculous, and the people that I respect, that I got into scouting with, that had been around forever and said that he was the best.
Speaker 2:
[20:45] If you look at what he did, he didn't have many all pros at the skill position. It became, John, it's a close game, we're going to rely on you, go win the game. It felt like he was able to win those games. Now, Brady's standing alone, knowing what we know about him. If I, and Brady said this to me years ago, if I was taken in the first round, I never would have survived. Because I would have been thrown in early, I wasn't ready to play, et cetera. But where would Brady be in a, take him number one overall, you don't even know what your team or your coach is?
Speaker 9:
[21:21] Yeah, that's a great question. Obviously the accomplishments are unrivaled, but to me, if you told me I could just get Tom Brady like starting year three, and for the next 20 plus years, whatever he played, I would sign up for that, he'd be pretty high up there. But in terms of just the raw talent jumping right into the mix, like you said, I don't think he would even put himself there.
Speaker 2:
[21:39] Okay, let's take away quarterbacks. Who would you take?
Speaker 9:
[21:43] Well, I mean, Reggie White would be right there. What did you just say, 25 and 36, he's a defensive player of the year?
Speaker 2:
[21:51] Defensive player of the year.
Speaker 9:
[21:52] I don't know, how do you go against that? I mean, they don't want to hear it, but I was in Baltimore with Ray Lewis, and that was an incredible run, an incredible ride. But even as much as he impacted the game, Reggie White changed everything. I mean, he freed up everybody else in that whole front. Everybody's going to him.
Speaker 2:
[22:07] More important, Ray Lewis or Ed Reed?
Speaker 9:
[22:10] Oh my gosh. Wow. I would say Ray, just because the run game he could have, he could just shut down a run game by himself. But there were oftentimes with those Ravens teams who are our best chance to scores with Ed Reed on defense. I mean, our offense is not good. It was my wife, we've been watching the games at home and be like, our offense is on the field, you want to get something to eat? We'll be back to get the defense back out there.
Speaker 2:
[22:33] But when you look back on that defense, steel curtain defense, doomsday defense, purple people eaters, you've had so many great, the Ravens defense, can you say unequivocally, that's the greatest defense of all time? If I look at one year or I look at a span of five years, does that change your opinion? Because the Bears in 85, they should have won more. And the Giants should have won more with their defenses, as great as they were. But Steel Curtain, you got to keep everybody. There wasn't free agency. But the Ravens with what they did, and of course the great scouting department that the Ravens...
Speaker 9:
[23:12] All those guys were there before I got there. Oh, they were.
Speaker 2:
[23:15] You don't get credit for any of those.
Speaker 9:
[23:16] I know. I get to co-sponsor Hello, Dinata. That's about where that ends.
Speaker 2:
[23:20] So greatest defense of all time is?
Speaker 9:
[23:23] I would still say 85 Bears.
Speaker 2:
[23:25] Okay.
Speaker 9:
[23:25] Yeah. I mean, and that's... Mike Singletary worked with the Ravens for a little bit and got to know him some. So that was hearing some of those stories about that group and just how dominant they were. It's hard to go against them.
Speaker 2:
[23:36] You came out with your final mock draft. The biggest surprise is going to be where. Where does the draft change?
Speaker 9:
[23:43] I think it's interesting at three. I think Arizona has got such a fascinating decision and it's a mixture of an on-field decision and an off-field decision. This organization doesn't have any buzz or juice. You know, Kyler, for whatever his faults were, it was entertaining as a reason for people to watch that team and now he's gone and you're kind of looking at him like, I always go back to if you looked up in the stands, like what jerseys are you going to see up there? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:
[24:08] Kurt Warner.
Speaker 9:
[24:09] Yeah, it's Kurt Warner, Anquan Bold, Larry Fitzgerald. I mean, obviously McBride's a great player, but you can talk yourself into Jeremiyah Love knowing, hey, are we ready right now to feature all that he does really well? Probably not, but he does make him interesting and exciting. I had him trading it because logically that made more sense to me of your pieces away, you could trade it and potentially get another first round pick in 27, get your right tackle. I was talking to Kellen Moore the other day and he was talking about how one of the keys to their team going forward is that they got those tackles in place before they drafted Shuck and that gave him a chance to be successful with a good offensive line. So I kind of believe in the order of how you build this thing, but I also get the business side of it too, of like, man, we got to have something to sell here.
Speaker 2:
[24:56] I could see the Saints going after Jeremiyah Love. I know they got the Camara situation, but Jeremiyah Love is a home run. He's a home run hitter.
Speaker 9:
[25:05] He's a great player. I mean, I have him as the number two player in the draft.
Speaker 2:
[25:08] Who's better than him?
Speaker 9:
[25:09] I have Mendoza. Yeah. I think Mendoza is worthy of being the first overall pick. I know some people are saying, oh, he's a quarterback, so he's getting elevated up there. I think he's better than that.
Speaker 2:
[25:20] OK, but how much of this is his talent? How much of this is his story?
Speaker 9:
[25:24] I still think it's his talent. He's going to go to bed tonight at 6 foot 5, 240 pounds. I mean, that's not a story. That's a fact. He is a big, strong dude who, if you just look at the stuff that you can't really debate, he's got the size. He's got the physical and mental toughness. I think we all agree on that. He's been great late in games. He's been great inside the red zone. The bigger the game, the bigger the moment, the better he played. All that stuff is all true. Now, we can say there's some things he can improve on. And like anybody else, he needs some development. That's a pretty good place to start from.
Speaker 2:
[25:55] I was impressed with him when we talked to him on Monday. He's a CEO. And when he says to you, I went back and looked at every single Kurt Cousins throw in Minnesota. Because he's been compared, I compared him to Kurt Cousins, and people were like, why would you do that? I go, I would sign up for Kurt Cousins career. If I'm the Raiders and with Mendoza, I also said Joe Flacco. If I could have that career, longevity at that pick, quality, face of the franchise, I think we want him to be Mahomes or Josh Allen, and he's not.
Speaker 9:
[26:31] No, no, there's only a couple of those guys that come around. So to me, he's a winning quarterback. And you think about Cousins, there was a stretch, I don't know, Dan, probably six years where everybody would agree Kurt Cousins is anywhere from like seven to 12. He's like the seventh or 12th best quarterback in the league, and they're winning games and going to the playoffs. I think the Raiders would sign up for that in a heartbeat.
Speaker 2:
[26:53] Jerry Jones always throws out something cryptic that they could be moving up and if they do, it's probably defense here. But is there anybody else that you see where you go? They're going to be a mover, they're coming up. Because every draft, it feels like there's five to seven trades in average in the last 10 years in the first round.
Speaker 9:
[27:12] Well, I think in the back, you're going to see a ton of movement. You know, like Tampa is at 15, for example. They're looking at edge rushers, potentially there, a guy like Akeem Mezador. Well, there's a tackle run coming, starting with Detroit. So I always feel bad for some of those teams that have that obvious glaring need because it's like a bullseye on your chest. So if you know Detroit is a tackle team, you want to get ahead of them. So that's the Jets at 16, that's Tampa at 15. So if Tampa wants a pass rusher, they can go back into the early 20s and still get a guy like Mezador. So it makes a lot of sense for them to be a target. Come up, get in front of the Lions, get your tackle there. So that's a spot, I think we'll see a lot of movement around those tackles at that point in time. But up at the top, you think about three teams. The Saints, Mickey Lewis is just aggressive. 25 trades, he's gone north 25 times, south zero times. He's traded future first round picks three times since 2008. So they're aggressive. So they would be one I always keep an eye on. And then the other two, Kansas City and the Rams don't belong picking up there. They're in a better roster position and where they are, you know, in Super Bowl contenders. So I could see them saying, you know, how often are we going to be this close? Like let's go be aggressive and try and go get a big time blue chip player.
Speaker 2:
[28:24] What does Ty Simpson do better than Fernando Mendoza?
Speaker 9:
[28:28] He is more, he's more fluid. I would say just more, a little bit more mechanically sound. Mendoza is a little bit more robotic, but Mendoza has got more horsepower. He's bigger, you know, sturdier. He's, you know, more durable, you know, in that way. So look, Ty is, Ty, you can, you watch him, you can tell his dad's a coach. Like his footwork is excellent. He's got a perfect release. He throws a really nice ball. All that stuff is great, but he just got some of the physical limitations that Fernando doesn't have.
Speaker 2:
[29:00] Daniel Jeremiah, NFL Network Analyst, and he'll be on the coverage tonight at 8 Eastern on NFL Network here in Pittsburgh. If Arch Manning was coming out.
Speaker 9:
[29:13] I mean, I haven't done the full work up on him, so I wouldn't stand on the table and say this is gospel, but just off of the tools that we all can see, and then you add into the pedigree of that, he would be in the conversation up there at the top.
Speaker 2:
[29:25] Would you still take Mendoza?
Speaker 9:
[29:27] That, I would want to do a deeper dive before I would say that, but I would say that that would be the discussion we'd be having, would be those two guys, one versus one of what that looked like.
Speaker 2:
[29:37] But I got CJ Carr at Notre Dame.
Speaker 9:
[29:40] Dan's already in on CJ, huh?
Speaker 2:
[29:43] Orlovsky's already fallen in love with him.
Speaker 9:
[29:44] True story, true story. I went to the podiatrist, foot doctor. The doctor walks into the room and he goes, oh, he goes, hey Daniel, you excited for the draft? I go, yeah, good to see you doc. He goes, man, Orlovsky really likes Ty Simpson, huh? I'm like, can we fix my foot before we get into Orlovsky and Ty?
Speaker 2:
[30:02] What's the craziest in the war room moment that you experienced?
Speaker 9:
[30:07] Oh man, gosh, are there arguments? Yo, I can tell you that we've called the player. I've been in there and we've had to call the player and tell him we're picking him. It was Clarence Moore was a wide receiver and this is like the fifth or sixth round. And then while we were on the phone telling him, he was talking to Bishadi, the owner, why that happened, and we got a trade offer. And then like you see over there, go, no, no, hang up, hang up the phone, hang up the phone. So like literally, I don't even remember what Mr. Bishadi said, like, hey, we'll call you back. I don't know. But then they hung up the phone. Thankfully, we got this trade and then we still ended up picking the same guy. But it was a tense, uncomfortable moment for sure. His head must have been spinning.
Speaker 2:
[30:50] When you have a new coach coming in with Baltimore, given what Harbaugh did there, how much, I'm looking at the odds, the Ravens have the best odds to make the playoffs, according to drafters. Yes. And that's where the new coach coming in. So what does that do to the Ravens as far as offensive philosophy? Or I know Munkin is an offensive guy. How do you change? Do you do anything different with Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 9:
[31:17] I'm curious to see. I think that there's some work to be done on this roster. That's surprising me to have them viewed in that light at this point in the process. We need to have a good draft offensively. You're bringing Declan Doyle. I think they want to kind of open it up a little bit, and they'll be a little, I don't want to say exotic, but they'll just be a little more.
Speaker 2:
[31:36] But he's not running as much as he did, Lamar.
Speaker 9:
[31:39] I know, and I think that's a mistake. I like that thread of him doing that. I think that's what makes him special. I'm curious to see the pieces that they had this week.
Speaker 2:
[31:47] They all stopped running after a while, Daniel. Cam did.
Speaker 9:
[31:51] I know, I know.
Speaker 2:
[31:53] I mean, Josh Allen is the rarity.
Speaker 9:
[31:55] He's built like Goliath, I mean, so is Cam. But Lamar, I don't know, it's going to be fascinating to see how they put it together with him. You look at Caleb and what they did with him in Chicago. Lamar is going to go under center more. We're going to see some of that. I'm curious to see how they kind of meld this thing together. Look, they need to get an interior offensive lineman. Ronnie Stanley is not getting any younger on the edge. They could add another wide out. They've got some pieces they need to add there.
Speaker 2:
[32:20] I'm going to make you the GM of the Steelers.
Speaker 9:
[32:23] Okay.
Speaker 2:
[32:24] What are you doing?
Speaker 9:
[32:25] Well I mean when they talk about your left tackle not being fully healthy, that scares me. So that's a direction that I'm looking at. I know people are kind of familiar with that.
Speaker 2:
[32:34] So you assume Aaron Rodgers is going to be your quarterback?
Speaker 9:
[32:36] I do. Surely they know. I mean I'm assuming it's such.
Speaker 2:
[32:39] Do you want that if you're the GM?
Speaker 9:
[32:41] We can ride it another year. I think the Steelers quarterback of the future is in the 27 draft. And I know everybody doesn't want to hear that. Everybody always says next year is going to be better. I truly believe that. I think that the way that they're going to try and make one little run here, this last ride with Rodgers, I thought before Cousins signed, maybe that would be a fallback. Once he signed, I figured they have to have assurances.
Speaker 2:
[33:02] Why not trade for Malik Willis?
Speaker 9:
[33:06] I don't know. I don't think they had the belief last year that Malik goes as a free agent and signs with Miami. Yeah, it sounds like Mac Jones is not going anywhere. That surprised me.
Speaker 2:
[33:15] Well, if I'm San Francisco, I don't let him go. No, I wait until somebody may get hurt and maybe get a little bit more. But Seattle got Sam Darnold and people went, what are you doing? And I don't know. They took a swing and it worked out for them. I just, Pittsburgh's kicking the can down the road here with Aaron.
Speaker 9:
[33:35] Yeah, I just don't think that there's one to their satisfaction in this group. I still wouldn't sleep on as we get a little bit further on in the draft. If you look at a guy like Carson Beck, that could be an option here for the Steelers.
Speaker 2:
[33:48] You get nervous when you go on the draft?
Speaker 9:
[33:51] No, because I got a buddy that's been in broadcasting for a long time that always texts me during the draft. He always does.
Speaker 2:
[33:56] It's very unprofessional of me to do that. I love it. But I always...
Speaker 9:
[33:59] It's our tradition.
Speaker 7:
[34:00] He always sends me a nice text.
Speaker 2:
[34:02] I know, I know. I think I basically say, don't screw up. That's my motivation.
Speaker 9:
[34:08] It's funny. It's just so encouraging. It just says, shut up, all caps, exclamation point, exclamation point.
Speaker 2:
[34:12] Does your father, who is a minister, has he helped you in your presentation of how you can... He's talking to a congregation. You're talking to a bigger audience.
Speaker 9:
[34:24] Yeah, he's helped me. I remember the first time I went on television, I was in a studio in Orange County and I was doing something with ESPN. The first time you're looking into a camera and not a person, Dan, and it was on, and my eyes were going, and my dad was nice as can be. It was like, hey, you know, we have some cameras at the church. Maybe you could come down. We could practice a little bit looking into a camera.
Speaker 2:
[34:50] Who's the better broadcaster?
Speaker 9:
[34:51] Oh, he is. He's been doing it for 50 years.
Speaker 2:
[34:53] Yeah, he's pretty charismatic.
Speaker 9:
[34:55] Yeah, so he's got me there.
Speaker 2:
[34:57] Great to see you again.
Speaker 9:
[34:58] Good to see you.
Speaker 2:
[34:59] Have fun tonight. And he's Daniel Jeremiah, co-host of Move the Sticks Podcast, our Play of the Day, up next from Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1:
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Speaker 6:
[35:24] This is crazy. I can't believe it.
Speaker 1:
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Speaker 6:
[35:48] It's all for me.
Speaker 1:
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Speaker 6:
[36:01] Check this out.
Speaker 1:
[36:02] Backhands it. Return for Jason Robertson. Haskinen straight away.
Speaker 8:
[36:09] Shot, deflected, scored!
Speaker 9:
[36:12] Dallas wins it!
Speaker 1:
[36:14] Wyatt Johnston! The deflection in front! A power play goal! And the Stars have the lead in the series!
Speaker 2:
[36:25] Courtesy of the Stars Radio Network, Johnston, who led the NHL during the regular season with 27 power play goals, has two more in the postseason. Play of the day brought to you by tire rack.com for over 40 years, helping you find the right tires for, well, where and how you drive. Tire rack.com, the way tire buying should be. All right. A couple of phone calls. Would you update the poll results there, Dilly?
Speaker 4:
[36:51] Yes, I will, Dan. Pittsburgh, love it, born and raised, would only go for work, worth another visit or more of a Philly fan. Fifty-two percent of people think it's worth another visit. They agree with Todd.
Speaker 2:
[37:04] Yeah, I don't even know why you came up with this poll question.
Speaker 3:
[37:06] I wanted to do something with local flavor, and that's why we have a Pittsburgh rhyme time, I did the Pittsburgh song. Whenever we go on the road, I like to do something local. That wasn't meant to be mean. There was two nice choices and two snarky negative choices. There was two of each.
Speaker 2:
[37:19] Anything else, Dylan?
Speaker 4:
[37:21] We can add another one, Dan. Paul and I were talking about this. Just as a general life policy, trade up or trade down?
Speaker 2:
[37:30] Wait, does that apply to your home life?
Speaker 4:
[37:33] It can apply to whatever you choose to apply to.
Speaker 2:
[37:35] Damn. Okay. Just got serious. Yes, Paul.
Speaker 5:
[37:38] So, Dylan and I were discussing this as a theoretical thing in life. So, let's say you're 22 years old and a really great girlfriend, and things are going well. Do you say, you know what, maybe I could trade up and keep an eye on what's out there, or stick, trade down, whatever you may be.
Speaker 4:
[37:54] The safe option.
Speaker 2:
[37:55] Well, how do you trade down in life?
Speaker 5:
[37:57] Fair point.
Speaker 4:
[37:58] I can tell you.
Speaker 5:
[38:01] Well, you could end up unintentionally trading down by giving up a good thing and going backwards.
Speaker 2:
[38:07] Yes, Todd.
Speaker 3:
[38:08] Maybe it's like the ginger Mary Ann thing. You can get that really hot one, but there's just no personality there and you got to deal with this person every day, or someone that's cute and you're not quite as attracted to, but that's the marrying kind. Is that the kind of one you want?
Speaker 2:
[38:19] Okay, but who was hotter on Gilligan's Island? And I'm taking Gilligan out of the mix. I'm just talking about Ginger and Mary Ann.
Speaker 3:
[38:27] I always thought everyone like Ginger is like your one night stand, for lack of a better word, and Mary Ann is the one that you would actually marry.
Speaker 2:
[38:33] Yeah, Ginger was for a weekend in Vegas. Mary Ann was for life.
Speaker 3:
[38:37] That's well said.
Speaker 2:
[38:38] Thank you, Todd. Nathan in Texas. Hi, Nate. What's on your mind today?
Speaker 10:
[38:46] Hey, Dan, how are you doing, man? This is my third or fourth time calling. I'm sorry. Let's see. I'm 510 and a hopeful dad, Bob 230. So about two weeks ago on the day that Seton left, I got fired about 30 minutes before the show ended. And I was trying to call in to say that it's Nathan O'Connor. Instead of Seton O'Connor, you know, I wanted to make that joke that day, but I couldn't. And then on Monday, I spent the whole last week, you know, without a job, I just got a new job. But the whole week without the Dan Patrick Show, and Monday morning, I'm calling and no answer. I'm calling, I'm calling. I'm like, why isn't the show on? I'm seeing it on Peacock. And then I see the corner and it says previously recorded. And I'm like, oh, wow. Well, that sucks. But I wanted to call in because today is my daughter's birthday and her grandparents are a huge fan of the show. And I was hoping to have you guys, maybe the audience, do that really dismissive birthday, you know, song.
Speaker 2:
[39:52] Okay. What's her name?
Speaker 10:
[39:54] Her name is Jordan.
Speaker 2:
[39:56] Jordan. Okay. Happy birthday.
Speaker 4:
[39:59] Happy birthday.
Speaker 6:
[40:01] Michael Jordan, happy birthday.
Speaker 2:
[40:02] It's November 23rd. And the last dance. Happy birthday. Yes, Paul.
Speaker 5:
[40:07] We worked Jordan to the show.
Speaker 2:
[40:08] Yes, yeah. We always got to work Michael Jordan in. Thank you, Nathan. Mike in Wisconsin. Hi Mike, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 7:
[40:15] Hey, good morning, Dan. Thanks for taking my call. Now that Dylan is officially a Danette, I wanted to give him a proper welcome, but I don't think he's gotten one of these yet, so suck it, Dylan. And then I've got a little draftee trivia. Three NFL teams have never had the overall number one pick.
Speaker 2:
[40:35] Okay. Three teams have never had the number one overall pick. One is Baltimore.
Speaker 7:
[40:46] Yep, that's one.
Speaker 2:
[40:47] Okay. The other one is Seattle.
Speaker 7:
[40:53] Yep, one more.
Speaker 2:
[41:01] I think, I think it's a trick question, because people think that Elway went number one to Denver, so Denver would be the other team.
Speaker 7:
[41:16] Yep, Fritzy's Broncos, you got it.
Speaker 2:
[41:18] Alright. Nice.
Speaker 3:
[41:20] Let's walk off.
Speaker 2:
[41:23] Yeah. Because Elway wasn't drafted number one by Denver.
Speaker 3:
[41:26] He did not want to play for the Colts, he threatened to play for the Yankees before he was going to play.
Speaker 2:
[41:30] I got it. Now we know the story. I know, but we know the story.
Speaker 3:
[41:33] I'm a John Elway fan, so anytime I couldn't get a word in, I know Mark Jackson, Ben Johnson, the three amigos I referred to earlier.
Speaker 2:
[41:41] I got it. You lead a sad life, you know that.
Speaker 3:
[41:46] I do. I don't have a lot of interest. I have a very narrow interest level.
Speaker 2:
[41:50] I know. Chinese food, porn.
Speaker 5:
[41:54] Dude wipes.
Speaker 2:
[41:55] That sounds great. Broncos. You know what? Come to think of it, there's probably a lot of guys that have those things in common.
Speaker 3:
[42:02] You pretty much nailed it. I can't think of another thing.
Speaker 2:
[42:04] All right. Let's clean up our act. Bill Cower is coming in here. We'll talk to Kirk Herbstreet. He's bringing his dog again. Saw him and his dog. Better looking. Herbstreet's dog or Herbstreet. Discuss. Kurt Warner will join us as well. Two hours still to come.