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Speaker 1:
[00:14] Welcome to Theories of the Third Kind.

Speaker 2:
[00:32] Welcome to Theories of the Third Kind. My name is Aaron. The other host joining me today is Daniel Son.

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Speaker 2:
[01:44] No AI was used at all, okay? All right, so that right there is the end of the announcements. Now, over the past week or two, we have been getting a ton of messages on Instagram. We did get access to Instagram back, by the way. We got a ton of messages on Instagram, a ton of emails, a ton of messages just all over the place. Letters wrote in, people knock it on our front door, we open it and they tell us, hey, do this episode. And almost all of these emails, messages, everything have been requesting one thing, for us to cover the missing US scientists. So, if you're not familiar with what I'm talking about, over the past two weeks, there have been videos circulating on TikTok and YouTube, all of them making similar claims. In these videos, individuals claim that over the past few years, from 2022 or 2023, all the way until 2026, around 10 to 11 scientists have gone either missing or have turned up dead. Many of these scientists were connected to high-level classified work, things like aerospace, NASA's jet lab, advanced physics, or top-secret government research. Due to this, a lot of people wonder if these scientists are being killed off or forced to disappear due to some secret technology or classified program or a certain discovery they made that wasn't supposed to get out to the public.

Speaker 1:
[03:22] The videos also claim that the more you look into these scientists and their deaths and disappearances, the more it starts to feel less like a coincidence and more like someone or something is in the background quietly pulling the strings. That all of these mysterious occurrences happening with these scientists recently might be all connected in a way that we don't fully understand yet.

Speaker 2:
[03:41] And it's this mystery, paranoia and unanswered questions that is making this topic spread like wildfire online and everyone is talking about it. So that is why we are covering this topic for our episode this week. And plus like a ton of people asked for it and you get what you want, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 1:
[04:00] Sometimes.

Speaker 2:
[04:01] So how this episode will go today is that we are first going to get into the scientists themselves and we're going to talk about each one in full detail. And then we're going to get into what is currently happening and the investigation into it. Then into strange facts and findings that we discovered while researching this topic, theories, and of course, wrap it up with our own personal thoughts and theories. So with that being said, let's get into today's episode. Now, before we get into that, we are going to take a quick break and we'll be right back. This episode is sponsored by Shopify. I remember right before we launched this podcast, I was thinking, can I do this? Is this for me? Do I want to get off by the CIA?

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Speaker 2:
[06:29] All right, welcome back.

Speaker 1:
[06:30] So before we get into discussing the scientists themselves, we do want to state something, that a lot of the videos, almost actually every single video that we came across online, whenever they talked about this and mentioned the 10 to 11 individuals, they would all make the same claim that they were scientists. They would briefly say the person's name and then say something like, they worked for NASA or they worked for UFOs.

Speaker 2:
[06:54] Now for us to fully understand this topic and get down to the truth, we dug up all of the information we could find on these 11 individuals. We got all of their names from the videos, which all of the videos say the same 11 names. We then used public databases, obituaries, and other databases and data sets to pull the most accurate information about these individuals that we could, so that we could get an accurate picture of who they were and what happened to them.

Speaker 1:
[07:26] All right, so what we're going to go into next is each individual, what we found out about them and how they died or disappeared. And after we cover all 11, then we're going to use that information to each person to see if there's a clear connection between all of them. So with that being said, let's hop into our first individual.

Speaker 2:
[07:44] All right, so the very first person that is on this list is an individual named Michael David Hicks. And here's a photograph of him right here for you to take a look at. Now, Michael was born on February 7th, 1964 in Dayton, Ohio. He earned multiple degrees from Boston University. And then in 1997, he earned his PhD in Lunar and Planetary Science from the University of Arizona.

Speaker 1:
[08:09] Then in 1998, he began working as a research scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, also known as JPL. And JPL is one of NASA's main research centers focused on robotic space missions and deep space exploration.

Speaker 2:
[08:23] Michael would go on to work there for the next 24 years. His work specialized in studying the physical properties of comets and asteroids. And in simple terms, he studied what these objects are made of, as in the comets and asteroids, how they behaved and how they moved through space.

Speaker 1:
[08:41] Throughout his career, Michael contributed to several major NASA missions, including DART, which is the Double Asteroid Redirection Test. This was a mission designed to test whether NASA could change the path of an asteroid by crashing a spacecraft into it.

Speaker 2:
[08:56] The other missions that he took part in was NEAT, which is Near Earth Asteroid Tracking. And this program focused on detecting and tracking asteroids that come close to Earth.

Speaker 1:
[09:06] Then there was DAWN. This was a mission that studied two large objects in the asteroid belt to better understand how planets form. And then there was Deep Space One, which was an early NASA mission that tested new space technologies while flying past asteroids and a comet.

Speaker 2:
[09:22] In addition to his mission work, Michael also authored more than 80 peer-reviewed scientific papers. So needless to say, he was very active in research and contributed heavily to the scientific community.

Speaker 1:
[09:37] Then on July 30th, 2023 in Sunland, California, Michael David Hicks passed away at the age of 59. His cause of death was not publicly listed.

Speaker 2:
[09:46] And that right there is the first individual. The next individual that we're going to get into is Frank Vonner Maywald. And he was born on June 24th, 1964 in Germany. And here are two photographs of him. One kneeling down next to some lunar module and then another photograph of him with a big-ass fucking telescope. Look at that. God dang. All right, so like we said, Frank was born in Germany, ended up going to college there, and that college would then build his technical background that would later lead him into advanced scientific work.

Speaker 1:
[10:26] Now, Frank worked in precision engineering at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, JPL. And JPL is also one of the primary research centers for developing instruments used in space missions, where equipment has to operate under extreme conditions like intense radiation, massive temperature swings, and the vacuum of space.

Speaker 2:
[10:46] Frank's work focused on developing instruments designed to function in those environments. He managed development of the SBG-VSWIR instrument.

Speaker 1:
[10:58] Now, this SBG-VSWIR is an acronym for Surface Biology and Geology Visible to Shortwave Infrared. In simple terms, it's an advanced imaging instrument that looks at Earth from space and analyzes light that we can't normally see. It helps scientists study plant and vegetation, monitor ecosystems, detect minerals and changes in the land, think of it like a super-powered camera that can see beyond human vision, and tell scientists what's happening on the surface of the planet.

Speaker 2:
[11:27] It's pretty cool.

Speaker 1:
[11:28] That is actually pretty cool.

Speaker 2:
[11:30] Now, Frank also oversaw the delivery of instruments for the AMR-TAC-C program. And this is a sensor that measures microwave energy coming off of the Earth's surface.

Speaker 1:
[11:42] So, in simple terms, it helps track things like ocean temperatures, water vapor in the atmosphere, weather patterns. It's especially useful for understanding climate and weather systems.

Speaker 2:
[11:52] Frank's work was also connected to several other major programs, including SWOT, which is Surface Water and Ocean Topography. It's a space instrument that maps and measures water on Earth, both oceans and inland water like rivers and lakes.

Speaker 1:
[12:11] Then he also worked on the COWVR, which is Compact Ocean Wind Vector Radiometer. It's another space instrument that measures wind speed and direction over the ocean. And HIFI, H-I-F-I, which is a heterodyne instrument for the far infrared. It's a space instrument used to study molecules in space like gases and stars, planets and galaxies.

Speaker 2:
[12:33] Now, Frank was actively involved in working on these high profile space instruments all the way until 2024. However, Frank Mayvold ended up dying on July 4th, 2024 in Los Angeles, California, and his cause of death was not publicly listed. And that right there is our second individual.

Speaker 1:
[12:55] Daymond, 4th of July.

Speaker 2:
[12:57] Yeah. All right, so tell us about this next one.

Speaker 1:
[13:00] All right, so this next individual we have, his name is Anthony Chavez. And here's a picture of him. Now, what we know about Anthony is very limited. There are no public records showing any publications, patents, or a detailed education history that is tied to him.

Speaker 2:
[13:15] However, what we do know about Anthony is that he was born on January 7th, 1947, and he worked as a staff member at the Los Alamos National Laboratory. Now, the Los Alamos Lab is a US research facility known for its work in areas like nuclear science, national security, and advanced technology. And that is where Anthony worked. Which by the way, in 2011 or 2012, I got a job offer at Los Alamos, and I said, no thank you.

Speaker 1:
[13:47] So now we fast forward to May 4th, 2025. 78-year-old Anthony Chavez was seen leaving his home on foot, and he never comes back. A few days later, on May 8th, 2025, Anthony's family followed a formal missing person report stating that his disappearance is very out of character.

Speaker 2:
[14:04] Shortly after that, authorities began searching for him, and police began to review surveillance footage, they searched nearby trails, and they began coordinating with other agencies. However, he was never found and is still considered missing. So that's our third individual.

Speaker 1:
[14:23] So it took his family four days to...

Speaker 2:
[14:25] Well, he was living alone, and they went to go check on him because he wouldn't answer his phone. And they were like, oh, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[14:33] All right, so next up, we have an individual named Monica Jacinto-Riza. And here's a picture of her. She was born and raised in Los Angeles, California. And it was there in California that Monica would attend college.

Speaker 2:
[14:46] She earned both a BA and BS in metallurgical engineering from Columbia University and later went on to receive a master's degree in material science from UCLA. Monica worked as an aerospace engineer at Aerojet Rocketdyne.

Speaker 1:
[15:02] Now Aerojet Rocketdyne is a major defense and aerospace company that develops rocket engines and propulsion systems used in military and space programs, including work tied to NASA and other government agencies.

Speaker 2:
[15:14] Now Monica also held the position of a technical fellow for materials and processes engineering, which is a high level role focused on developing and improving the materials used in aerospace systems. She was also an associate fellow of the AIAA, which is the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, a professional organization for engineers in the aerospace field.

Speaker 1:
[15:39] They really love their acronyms.

Speaker 2:
[15:41] Yeah, they do.

Speaker 1:
[15:42] Now Monica is also listed as a co-inventor of something called mandaloy. Mandaloy is a burn resistant high strength alloy. In simple terms, it's a specially designed metal that can handle extremely high temperatures and stress without failing. This type of material is critical for things like rocket engines, where parts are exposed to intense heat and pressure.

Speaker 2:
[16:03] Some sources also state that Monica worked at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, aka JPL. However, there is no confirmed staff bio or official records publicly available that verifies her employment there.

Speaker 1:
[16:18] So now we fast forward to June 22nd of 2025. 60 year old Monica Jacinto-Riza went on a hike in Angeles National Forest in California near Mount Waterman. She was last seen around 9-10 a.m. near the 6,000 foot gate on Angeles Crest Highway.

Speaker 2:
[16:35] At some point during that hike, she disappeared. Some of her personal belongings were later recovered. However, Monica was never found and is still considered missing. And that right there is our fourth individual.

Speaker 1:
[16:51] So far, two dead, two disappeared.

Speaker 2:
[16:53] Yep. Two dead, unknown causes and two missing.

Speaker 1:
[16:58] Got it. Now, next up, we have an individual named Melissa Shirley Cassius.

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Speaker 1:
[19:01] She was born on November 1st, 1971. Melissa worked as an administrative assistant at Los Alamos National Laboratory, and over time, she eventually became a lab staff member.

Speaker 2:
[19:11] Now Los Alamos, like we stated, is a US research facility known for its work in areas like nuclear science, national security, and advanced technology. And that's where Melissa worked. Now there are no public records showing any patents or published research tied to her.

Speaker 1:
[19:28] So we fast forward to June 26, 2025. That morning, Melissa attempted to go to work but she forgot her badge and had to turn back. After that, she dropped lunch off to her daughter.

Speaker 2:
[19:38] Shortly after that, she was seen walking alone near State Road 518 in Taos, New Mexico. At some point after that, she disappeared.

Speaker 1:
[19:48] Family members were interviewed and stated that she left behind important personal items, including her phone, purse, keys and wallet. And Melissa was never found and is still considered missing.

Speaker 2:
[19:59] So we have three missing and two died from unknown causes. So let's get on to our sixth individual, which is Stephen Abel Garcia. And he was born on August 30th, 1977. Now what we know about Stephen is somewhat limited. However, what we uncovered is that Stephen Garcia served as a property custodian for the Kansas City National Security Campus, a major facility with a behind the scenes role in America's national defense.

Speaker 1:
[20:32] This job allowed Stephen a top security clearance in the building, which manufactures more than 80% of all the non-nuclear components that go into the building, the military's nuclear weapons.

Speaker 2:
[20:42] So let's fast forward to August 28th, 2025. Stephen Garcia went missing in Albuquerque, New Mexico. The 48-year-old was last seen leaving his home on foot, carrying only a handgun.

Speaker 1:
[20:57] He was officially reported as a missing person. Beyond that, there's very limited publicly confirmed information regarding the circumstances of his disappearance.

Speaker 2:
[21:07] So there you go. We got four missing and two died from unknown causes. And now we're going to talk about this next individual, Jason R. Thomas. And he was born on January 10, 1980, in Savannah, Georgia. Jason ended up earning an undergraduate degree in physics and biology from Temple University, and went on to get his Ph.D. in biophysics at the University of Illinois.

Speaker 1:
[21:33] After that, he continued his research with postdoctoral work at the Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla. So needless to say, Jason had a very strong background in science, specifically in areas that combine biology and physics.

Speaker 2:
[21:45] In 2010, Jason joined the Novartis Institute of Biomedical Research, which is a major pharmaceutical research organization focused on developing new drugs and medical treatments. Over time, he worked his way up and eventually became an associate director of chemical biology.

Speaker 1:
[22:03] In simple terms, his work involved studying how chemicals interact with biological systems, often in the context of developing new medicines.

Speaker 2:
[22:11] Some suggest that Jason's work may have had connections to private sectors and defense-related research, although specific details about that are not publicly confirmed.

Speaker 1:
[22:22] So let's fast forward to December 2025. Jason's wife reported him missing around December 12th or 13th, 2025. Local authorities began searching for him but found nothing.

Speaker 2:
[22:33] Then several months later, on March 17th, 2026, the Wakefield, Massachusetts Police Department announced that Jason's body had been recovered from Lake Kwana Powett. Authorities stated that no foul play was suspected. So there we go. Number seven person went missing and then found dead.

Speaker 1:
[22:54] When was the last place he worked? It was the Novartis Institute?

Speaker 2:
[22:58] Yeah, Biomedical Research Institute, which is a major pharmaceutical research organization.

Speaker 1:
[23:03] Where was that located?

Speaker 2:
[23:04] It was located near Boston.

Speaker 1:
[23:06] Got it. All right, so our next individual that we have is a Dr. Nuno Larrero. Here's a picture of him. Dr. Nuno studied physics at Instituto Superior Tecnico in Portugal, and then went on to earn his PhD in physics at Imperial College London in 2005.

Speaker 2:
[23:24] After that, he worked as a postdoctoral researcher at the Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory. Then he moved to the UKAEA Column Center for Fusion Energy, later returning to Portugal, and eventually moving to Boston, Massachusetts in 2016.

Speaker 1:
[23:43] There in Boston, Dr. Nuno got a job at MIT as a professor of nuclear science and engineering and of physics. And he also served as the director of the Plasma Science and Fusion Center.

Speaker 2:
[23:54] Dr. Nuno had a very strong and international background in advanced physics research, his work focused on areas like plasma behavior, magnetic reconnection, turbulence, fusion confinement and astrophysical plasma physics.

Speaker 1:
[24:10] So in day and simple terms, he studied how superheated electrically charged gas, known as plasma, behaves especially in extreme environments like stars or fusion reactors. This type of research is important for things like future energy systems, including nuclear fusion and also for understanding space and astrophysical phenomena. So he was a high-level figure in the field of plasma physics. Smolt.

Speaker 2:
[24:34] Yes. All right. So let's fast forward to December 15th, 2025. On that day, Dr. Nuno was shot and killed in his home in Boston, Massachusetts. Authorities identified the suspect as Claudio Nevez-Velente.

Speaker 1:
[24:50] Now, Claudio was a 48-year-old Portuguese national and a former physics graduate student at Brown University. He had previously studied physics in Portugal at the same university as Dr. Nuno in the 1990s.

Speaker 2:
[25:02] Just two days before shooting Dr. Nuno, Claudio had carried out a mass shooting at Brown University, killing two students and injuring nine others. Then, on December 15th, of course, he went to Dr. Nuno's home, knocked on the door, Dr. Nuno answered the door, and was shot and killed. Authorities later found Claudio dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

Speaker 1:
[25:26] And as of now, authorities have stated that no confirmed motive has been established. What is known is that the two were former classmates in Portugal, and that's it.

Speaker 2:
[25:35] So there we go. Number eight was killed. He was murdered. All right. So let's get on to our next individual, Carl Grillmeyer. Now, Carl was an astronomer at Caltech's IPAC Science and Data Center. And IPAC is a research center that works with large amounts of space data, often supporting NASA's missions and helping scientists study the universe.

Speaker 1:
[25:58] So Grillmeyer's work was tied to astrophysics and space research, including projects connected to Caltech and NASA, which he studied things like the stars, galaxies and the structure of the universe, often using large data sets collected from space telescopes.

Speaker 2:
[26:13] All right. So we fast forward to February 16th, 2026. Carl was shot and killed at his home in Llano, California. Authorities identified the suspect as Freddy Snyder.

Speaker 1:
[26:26] Freddy was a 29-year-old man who lived just a few miles away from Grillmeyer. Months before the incident, Freddy had reportedly been seen on Carl's property carrying a loaded rifle. Despite that earlier situation, charges were dropped and he was released. Then later, he allegedly returned and carried out the fatal shooting.

Speaker 2:
[26:43] As of now, the motive is unknown. Authorities have not established a clear personal relationship between the two, a robbery motive, or any ideological motive. So they just don't know why Freddy did it. But he did it. So number nine died, murdered.

Speaker 1:
[27:01] So what's the count now?

Speaker 2:
[27:03] The count is nine.

Speaker 1:
[27:04] I mean like, murdered.

Speaker 2:
[27:06] So we have one, two, three, four, five that have gone missing with one that was found dead, four that have died, two of them murdered, two of them unknown.

Speaker 1:
[27:18] All right. The next individual that we have is Major General William N. McCausland. He was a retired US. Air Force Major General. During his career, he served as the commander of the Air Force Research Laboratory, also known as AFRL, which AFRL is responsible for managing the Air Force's multi-billion dollar science and technology programs, including advanced research and development.

Speaker 2:
[27:43] In simple terms, he oversaw high level research projects, including work tied to advanced technology and classified programs. Now, he also served as Director of Space Vehicles from 2001 to 2004, and later as AFRL's commander from 2011 to 2013. So, needless to say, he held very senior roles within Air Force research and development.

Speaker 1:
[28:10] All right, now we fast forward to February 27th of 2026.

Speaker 2:
[28:15] On that morning, 68-year-old William was in his home in Albuquerque, New Mexico along with his wife, when a repairman reported seeing him around 10 a.m. His wife left their home at around 1110 a.m. And when she returned at approximately 1204 p.m., he was gone. A few hours later, she reported him missing.

Speaker 1:
[28:36] Shortly after that, local law enforcement and county officials began an investigation into his disappearance. And not long after the investigation began, the FBI joined in, assisting local authorities. And as of now, investigators have stated that they have found no evidence of foul play.

Speaker 2:
[28:51] That he just disappeared.

Speaker 1:
[28:53] Just disappeared.

Speaker 2:
[28:53] And he's still missing.

Speaker 1:
[28:55] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[28:56] All right. So that makes it one, two, three, four, five, six missing, with one of them found dead. And four died, two unknown, two murdered. And now we're going to talk about this next individual, Amy. Now, Amy is a wild card in all of this, okay? Not much information was known about her, and a lot of people assume things. However, we dug deep and we found her true background in a lot of other things. And individuals initially didn't include her in this scientist lineup until here recently. And she ended up passing away in 2022. So if you're going by a true timeline, she would have been the very first individual that we talked about. However, we put her at the end because it wasn't until here recently that individuals started saying that, hey, Amy needs to be included in this list. And all of the videos here in the past few days have included Amy in it.

Speaker 1:
[29:55] Got it.

Speaker 2:
[29:56] So that's why we put her at the end. And this last individual, like I said, is Amy Catherine Eskridge. Now Amy was born in 1987 and ended up graduating from the University of Alabama with a double major in chemistry and biology with a reputation for multi-dimensional expertise in electrical engineering, chemistry, physics, genetic engineering, and nanotechnology.

Speaker 1:
[30:22] Then we fast forward to June 11, 2022. At 34 years old, Amy Catherine Eskridge died in Huntsville, Alabama. Her cause of death was listed as a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

Speaker 2:
[30:33] According to her obituary, she was highly regarded for her ideas and thinking, especially in areas connected to space and the cosmos. And I was really like kind of iffy, is like, was she connected with individuals with high up clearances or any type of like science or space work? Well, if you look at her obituary online, an individual named Sam Reed, who's the CEO of Geometric Energy Corporation, stated that his company planned to name a future Earth orbit satellite and the DOGE-1 lunar payload after her whenever she passed away. And I was like, whoa, I got to dig into her more. So during Strange Facts and Findings, we go into Amy's background, and it gets very, very weird.

Speaker 1:
[31:21] Interesting.

Speaker 2:
[31:21] Yeah. So that is death number 11, which died self-inflicted supposedly.

Speaker 1:
[31:30] So six missing with one found dead, and then five dead with two unknown deaths and three pretty much gunshot wounds.

Speaker 2:
[31:39] Yeah. So when you look at all of this, all of these 11 individuals either missing or had died from weird circumstances, what makes it feel connected is that many of them worked in aerospace, nuclear, or defense, or classified departments. Several had high level clearances, and some of these cases, actually, a lot of them are unsolved or unexplained. They just go missing. And the timing seems to be clustered. You take Amy out of the equation. There's like one or two in 2023 and the rest 2024 to 2026. And it's due to that clustering that a lot of people say, hey, this can't be random. This has to have a connection. And we have a photograph right here that shows all of these individuals and who they were connected to. Well, most of them. It shows Frank, Carl, Monica, and Michael, all connected to NASA's JPL. Frank, of course, top scientist detecting signs of alien life, which we didn't mention that, but he was. Carl was a scientist working on infrared telescopes. And then you have Michael, who his work was on deflecting asteroids from Earth, all of them with NASA JPL. Then you have Monica, who was the Director of Materials Processing Group, who received funding from Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. You have William Neal McCaslin, who oversaw funding for Monica's project. And then he also oversaw research at the Kirkland Air Force Base. Then you go back up, and you have Melissa and Anthony, both of them missing. They worked for Los Alamos National Laboratory, which is a base that cooperates with LANL on nuclear research, which then goes back to Kirkland Air Force Base, which then goes back to William, which goes to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, which goes to Monica, which goes to NASA JPL, goes to Michael, Carl and Frank.

Speaker 1:
[33:35] So they are connected in some way with who they worked with?

Speaker 2:
[33:39] Yeah, so all of them are connected.

Speaker 1:
[33:41] Okay, except for, what's her name, Amy.

Speaker 2:
[33:44] Amy, well, she...

Speaker 1:
[33:45] We'll get into her later.

Speaker 2:
[33:46] Yeah, she becomes connected later on.

Speaker 1:
[33:48] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[33:49] Yeah, it's very odd.

Speaker 1:
[33:51] So, as of April 20th, 2026, there is no coordinated investigation into these individuals. Also, the government has stayed quiet on this and had not made a statement regarding it.

Speaker 2:
[34:03] However, today, April 21st of 2026, House Oversight Committee announced that it will investigate reports of the deaths and disappearances of scientists who it said had access to sensitive scientific information.

Speaker 1:
[34:18] Also, the FBI came out and stated, and we quote, We are spearheading the effort to look for connections into the missing and deceased scientists. We are working with the Department of Energy, Department of War, and with our state and local law enforcement partners to find answers.

Speaker 2:
[34:34] So yeah, as of today, the House Oversight Committee, aka the government and the FBI, are investigating this.

Speaker 1:
[34:42] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[34:43] Yep. Now let's talk about the mainstream media. So the news stations have been cautious when covering this topic. Some news outlets have reported on a few of these cases individually.

Speaker 1:
[34:55] However, the general tone with the mainstream media has been pretty consistent. The media is framing these deaths and disappearances as a collection of separate, unrelated events that have been grouped together by conspiracy theorists online. Fuck you.

Speaker 2:
[35:08] Now, on the other hand, a few formal officials have been questioned about these odd deaths and disappearances. And these officials have stated that some of these cases are unusual. And yes, some of these individuals were working in sensitive or high level fields. But according to those officials, that doesn't mean that they are connected. Well, you're wrong because we just proved that they were all connected.

Speaker 1:
[35:31] Now online, the story hasn't slowed down at all. So it seems like everyone is talking about this. A lot of people seem to believe that these individuals who passed away or went missing, were all working on classified technology involving gravity. Others think that these individuals found something out, like maybe there is something that is about to hit the earth, like an asteroid or comet, which that's always happening.

Speaker 2:
[35:53] Yeah, there's a ton of different theories as to why these scientists had gone missing or died. So needless to say, whenever you see a video about this, you'll likely hear all of those types of theories about it, like advanced propulsion systems, experimental energy research, gravity technology, and a fuck ton more. However, before we get into those theories as to what it could be, let's first jump into our Strange Facts and Findings section and discuss all of the weird stuff that we came across while researching this topic.

Speaker 1:
[36:23] Alright, so the first Strange Fact and Finding that we are going to go over is called Additional Information Regarding Amy. Now before we get into that, we are going to take a quick break. This is our last one, so don't go nowhere.

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Speaker 1:
[38:04] All right, welcome back.

Speaker 2:
[38:06] So you all remember the last person that we talked about, the woman named Amy, who committed suicide supposedly in 2022. Well, as we were digging into her background, we found some very interesting things.

Speaker 1:
[38:20] Amy's father is Richard H. Eskridge. He was a propulsion researcher at NASA's George C. Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama.

Speaker 2:
[38:29] Amy and her father, Richard, they co-founded Holocrone Engineering, which is a company specializing in gravity modification research and development.

Speaker 1:
[38:39] Another interesting thing that we discovered is in 2018, Amy co-founded the Institute for Exotic Science in Huntsville, Alabama, where she served as its president and chairwoman.

Speaker 2:
[38:49] Now, when looking into this Institute for Exotic Science, we learned that it was a corporation that created a collaborative environment for scientists and engineers to explore revolutionary concepts. So basically, they wanted scientists and engineers to get together and try to create something really cool with some fringe concepts. And the concepts that they primarily focused on were cutting-edge technologies, including propulsion, quantum gravity, and material science.

Speaker 1:
[39:19] You changed the subject to the matter, and it sounds like Zora Ranch.

Speaker 2:
[39:22] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[39:23] Also, we found a very interesting presentation involving her. So on December 6, 2018, Amy delivered a presentation titled A Historical Perspective on Antigravity Technology in Huntsville, Alabama.

Speaker 2:
[39:36] In this presentation, Amy reviewed the timeline of antigravity research, discussing devices from Brown's Gravitator in the 1920s to the modern EM drive. She also discussed the challenges and controversies associated with antigravity research, emphasizing the need for independently funded studies to advance this field. And we came across a few of the slides from her presentation. Here's three of them. The first one. This is the, I guess, the introduction. And then it shows the team, which shows her right there. Amy. And then you scroll down, and then that's her PowerPoint project. She's talking about the Brown's Gravitator and Nikola Tesla's Space Drive, a bunch of other things. Very odd. So she was involved in all that.

Speaker 1:
[40:26] Now, as we look deeper and deeper into Amy, we came across an interview that took place on August 25th of 2024. The interview involved a former UK counterintelligence officer named Frank Milburn.

Speaker 2:
[40:38] Now, Frank was discussing his investigation into Amy's death. He mentioned that her passing had been labeled as a suicide, but he expressed skepticism about this conclusion. Frank stated that the investigation into her death was poorly done, and the cremation of her body was done very, very fast.

Speaker 1:
[40:59] Frank also mentioned that prior to her death, Amy had been a victim of surveillance and harassment, which he believed was connected to her work in anti-gravity research.

Speaker 2:
[41:08] He was quoted saying, She actually started carrying around an atropine combo in autogen, which is what in the military you would use to counter nerve agent poisoning, because she was worried that somebody was going to try and jab her. She actually had an experience where someone patted her on the back, and she ended up having like a pinprick on her body. And then things got worse.

Speaker 1:
[41:38] She'd be followed around and have her vehicle tampered with. She once went to have a gynecological examination, and she got back in her vehicle, and the footwell of the driver's side, she found a box that had exactly the same make and type of speculum that had been used on her in the exam. So that really freaked her out.

Speaker 2:
[41:57] Kind of gross.

Speaker 1:
[41:58] That's kind of gross.

Speaker 2:
[41:59] Yeah. Also, her friends and family members began to get targeted and harassed as well. An ex-partner of hers, a boyfriend, went out on the town one night, and he ended up getting drugged and roofied. And that same exact night, Amy was sent pictures of her boyfriend drugged and passed out. Along with those pictures, there was a text message that said, Oh, I was talking to your friend. He was very chatty about you. So yeah, very, very strange. If I had that shit going on with me, I'd be locking down. I'd be getting my guns out and locking down.

Speaker 1:
[42:36] Now, that last part of it, who made the claim that he was drugged and roofied?

Speaker 2:
[42:45] He did.

Speaker 1:
[42:46] That right there, I'm a little suspicious on that part. He went out of town or whatever, hooked up with another chick, pictures were taken and sent to, and he was just like, I was roofied. I didn't know what I was doing. I'm sorry. That's what I see right there. Maybe. Oh, I was talking to your friend. He seemed very chatty about you. That seems like another girl going after him. And he's saying, oh, I was roofied. I didn't know what I was doing. I slipped and fell right into it. That's what I see on that one.

Speaker 2:
[43:18] All right. So let's get on to our next strange fact and finding.

Speaker 1:
[43:21] All right. So the next strange fact and finding is called pattern of missing information. So when you look at all those 11 cases, there is a recurring theme, gaps. Missing causes of death, limited public details, incomplete timelines. Some individuals have full biographies, but unclear endings, while others have almost no background information publicly available at all.

Speaker 2:
[43:42] This creates a situation where each case fills partially complete but never fully explained. So yeah, very weird. Lots of gaps of information and stuff.

Speaker 1:
[43:53] And when there's lots of gaps like that, that's where people start to question what was going on. And that's what makes it even more suspicious. Alright, so our next strange fact and finding is called Historic Parallel. So back in the 1980s, there was a similar situation in the UK involving scientists working on defense projects connected to Mark Coney.

Speaker 2:
[44:12] Over time, multiple engineers and researchers died under unusual or unclear circumstances. Just like now, these cases varied. Some were ruled suicides, others accidents, which this led to widespread speculation that all of these cases were connected.

Speaker 1:
[44:30] Now, if you want to hear more about this topic, we actually covered it today on our premium episode. We dive super deep into it. And so if you want to, head to our website, Theories of the Third kind.com, click on that Supercast button in the middle of the website. Or if you're listening on Spotify, then you should be able to click the episode on Spotify and it'll sign you up. And you'll get access to not only that episode, but over 300 bonus episodes that are all ad free. Deal with it.

Speaker 2:
[44:53] Yeah, it's a very weird episode.

Speaker 1:
[44:56] Let's just say you think that the cases of these 11 people were weird. This incident ranges from 1982 to 1988, and it involved about 25 people.

Speaker 2:
[45:09] Jesus.

Speaker 1:
[45:10] Now, a lot of them confirmed, a lot of them weren't, but there's supposedly connections everywhere. And the deaths were kind of weird. And yeah, they just had no explanation for it.

Speaker 2:
[45:21] Spoiler alert. All right. So if you want to go listen to that, check out our premium episode today, which is over that. All right. So let's talk about our last strange fact and finding, which is called method of targeting. So as we started looking into real world cases of scientists being targeted, we ended up coming across the nuclear scientists in Iran.

Speaker 1:
[45:43] So over the past decade, multiple nuclear scientists in Iran have been assassinated in unusual ways. Now, one of the most common methods that these scientists were killed was with something called a magnetic bomb.

Speaker 2:
[45:55] In multiple cases between 2010 and 2012, attackers on motorcycles would pull up next to a scientist's car in traffic, and within seconds, they would attach a small explosive device directly to the side of the vehicle using a magnet. The attackers would speed away on their motorcycles, and moments later, the bomb would detonate, often killing the scientist instantly. These attacks were fast, highly targeted, and done in broad daylight.

Speaker 1:
[46:25] As the years passed, the method being used against the scientist became even more advanced. For example, one of the most shocking cases involved a scientist named Mohsen Fakarikades, who was widely considered one of the key figures in Iran's nuclear program.

Speaker 2:
[46:40] In 2020, he was assassinated using what officials described as a remote-controlled weapon system. Reports indicated that a vehicle was positioned along his route that he was traveling. Inside of this vehicle was an automated weapon system. The attack was carried out remotely without an on-site shooter. Some accounts even suggested that the weapon used AI-assisted targeting to track and fire on him with extreme precision. That's crazy, that's like something off of Breaking Bad. You know, when Walter White presses the button and it goes up.

Speaker 1:
[47:18] I haven't seen that.

Speaker 2:
[47:19] Oh, okay, never mind.

Speaker 1:
[47:20] I thought he just made meth.

Speaker 2:
[47:22] Yeah, well, and weapons.

Speaker 1:
[47:25] Now, in other cases, the methods of attack were more direct. Some scientists were shot at close range, either outside their homes or during travel. But even these weren't random. They were timed routines, carried out quickly and focused on specific individuals.

Speaker 2:
[47:40] Now, these weren't isolated incidences. From around 2010 through 2020, there were multiple scientists targeted over time, not all at once, which created a pattern. One event happens, time passes, then another. And over time, people began connecting them.

Speaker 1:
[47:59] So to sum this strange fact and finding up, over the past decade, multiple Iranian nuclear scientists were assassinated in confirmed operations tied to geopolitical conflict. These killings weren't random, they were strategic, coordinated, and publicly acknowledged. This shows that this isn't purely theoretical, that scientists, especially those connected to advanced or sensitive research, become targets.

Speaker 2:
[48:22] Which makes you wonder if the scientists that we talked about today were actually being targeted, or was it all just blown out of proportion by people on TikTok? Which I guess that leads us to our theory section, where we discuss the multiple different theories as to what this could be.

Speaker 1:
[48:40] So our first theory that we have is called viral views. This theory states that the 11 scientists that had died or disappeared were not connected at all. Instead, someone made the connection as a far out theory, made a video about it on TikTok, individuals saw how viral it went, and they made their own videos in order to ride the wave of what's popular.

Speaker 2:
[48:59] Initially, that's what I believe.

Speaker 1:
[49:01] I mean, it happens. People do that. They do it on everything. Which, I mean, I'll be honest, I have yet to actually see a video on it.

Speaker 2:
[49:09] Really?

Speaker 1:
[49:10] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[49:10] It's all over my TikTok. It's like every other video is a video about that. Maybe because I've been researching it. I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[49:17] It's possible.

Speaker 2:
[49:19] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[49:19] All my TikTok for you pages, mountain biking and plants in Crimson Desert.

Speaker 2:
[49:25] Nice.

Speaker 1:
[49:25] I like that.

Speaker 2:
[49:27] All right. So let's talk about our next theory, which is called Discovery Cover-Up. This theory states that all the scientists that have been killed or had gone missing that we talked about today, all of them either came across or discovered some information that wasn't supposed to be made public or they weren't supposed to know about. And they were about to blow the whistle and tell the public about what they had found. However, they were killed off or kidnapped beforehand. Now, what could that information have been? Well, some speculate that they discovered the Earth was about to encounter a pole shift that would pretty much reset humanity. And that is the reason why all these billionaires are building underground bunkers. Because once the poles shift, the only people that are going to survive are the ones underground. Which by the way, Jeff Bezos has a giant ship in the middle of a desert. Giant yacht ship sitting in the middle of the desert. And when the poles shift, that desert is gonna turn into a fucking ocean. Weird coincidence? Don't know. But other people claim that the scientists have discovered that gravity was fake. I didn't read more about that, but they said gravity was fake. I don't know what they mean by that. If you know what they mean, send us an email. We would love to understand that theory better.

Speaker 1:
[50:55] Yeah, because Amy Eskridge, she was studying or she was researching antigravity.

Speaker 2:
[51:02] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[51:03] So, are you going to study antigravity if gravity is fake?

Speaker 2:
[51:06] Yeah, I don't know. One popular belief is that the scientists discovered an asteroid or and or a UFO heading towards Earth.

Speaker 1:
[51:17] There's always something heading towards Earth.

Speaker 2:
[51:19] Yeah, you had Atlas, that three-eye Atlas. Now it's like some comet, which, by the way, some comet is supposed to fly in between Earth and the sun and the tail end of it is supposed to be perfectly in a line whenever the sun blasts something. Cosmic rays that's going to push these particles from this comet into our atmosphere and destroy our ozone layer and then leave it vulnerable for the sun to pretty much scorch the Earth and kill off all of humanity. And that's supposed to hit Sunday, the 26th of April, by the way.

Speaker 1:
[51:57] Please hurry. I mean, they also said that Atlas, the three-eye, or whatever, was sending radio signals and that it was actually a spaceship, but that's now...

Speaker 2:
[52:07] What happened to that? They just disappeared?

Speaker 1:
[52:08] That is, like, it was popular on TikTok for a while, and then it just went away.

Speaker 2:
[52:14] If it was a UFO ship, they must have been like, fuck, they caught us, and took the exit ramp.

Speaker 1:
[52:19] Yeah. It was like that theory way back that aliens see us as, like, the prison world. You just, like, drive by and you just, like, look at it like, oh yeah, you don't ever want to go there.

Speaker 2:
[52:29] Screw that. I ain't going to go mess with those people. They're crazy.

Speaker 1:
[52:31] All right. Moving on to our next theory, which is called foreign interference. This theory states that the deaths and disappearances could be tied to outside actors, such as foreign governments or intelligence agencies. Given the type of work many of these individuals were involved in, their knowledge could be extremely valuable on a global scale. Supporters of this theory believe that the other countries may have an interest in disrupting or gaining access to advanced research being conducted in the United States. They point to historical examples where scientists in other countries were targeted as a part of a larger geopolitical conflict. The idea is that these events may not be isolated, but part of a much broader global competition. I mean, Cold War era. That's all you have to really say, Russia. Like, everyone was pretty much trying to take out each other, like, researchers and stuff wise.

Speaker 2:
[53:22] Perfect example is what is happening with the Iranian nuclear scientists. They're all getting killed off because nobody wants them to have a nuclear program. So what do they do? They kill their scientists. So yeah, something's going on here. Anyway, so let's talk about our next theory, which is called Hidden Program, aka the Chosen Ones. This theory suggests that some of the scientists who were reported as dead or missing may not actually be gone at all. Instead, they could have been quietly moved into classified programs or relocated under new identities to continue their work in secret. The idea here is that if a discovery is important enough, removing someone from public life might be easier than trying to control what they reveal. Some people believe this would explain why certain cases seem to go cold so quickly with very little follow-up information. It raises the possibility that what looks like a disappearance could actually be something else entirely. That's a pretty good theory, right? Makes you think, makes you wonder. Are they just taking the people and hiding them saying, hey, you found this, good job. Now come with us. You're part of this program.

Speaker 1:
[54:38] You're part of the chosen ones now. This is your new life. Forget everybody that you ever loved. We got new ones for you to love. Now our last theory that we have is called psychological pressure. This theory suggests that individuals working in high-level scientific or government-related fields may experience extreme levels of stress, pressure, and isolation. Many of these roles involve long hours, high expectations, and in some cases, limited ability to discuss their work with others. Supporters of this theory believe that this environment can take a toll over time, potentially contributing to unusual or tragic outcomes. They point to the intensity of the work and the responsibility placed on these individuals as possible factors. The idea here is that the connection isn't external, it's internal, rooted in the demands of the work itself.

Speaker 2:
[55:26] Mental health, you know what I mean? Some people just snap, they lose it after so many years.

Speaker 1:
[55:31] Yeah, because I mean, a couple of the people that went missing, the two older guys I know, what, one was 60 and one was 78?

Speaker 2:
[55:38] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[55:38] I mean, older, but I point more towards the 78 year old, that was the what, general, or the major general?

Speaker 2:
[55:44] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[55:45] McCausland. But the 60 year old, I mean, it's getting up there, but still. I don't know, I mean, I could see that. I mean, working in nuke stuff, like, you couldn't, like you signed a bunch of paperwork, like you're not supposed to talk about certain things. You can't take pictures, you can't tell anyone about the security of the place and all that shit. I mean, there wasn't really, only you and your brother, I was able to talk to really about nuke stuff. No one else really understood. So, I mean, I guess it makes sense.

Speaker 2:
[56:12] Yeah. So I guess we're going to our own personal thoughts and theories now. What are you going with, Dan? Do you think these scientists were all killed together? Do you think that they have no connection whatsoever? Do you think that it's all just blown out of proportion due to TikTok claims? Or do you think that something's really going on behind the scenes that we don't understand?

Speaker 1:
[56:35] I mean, honestly, it's very tough to decide. It is a very weird coincidence that they are connected in some way. But just looking at like the little map that we had of the connection, you gotta think those places, those companies are huge companies. So many people work there. And it's like you're like comparing Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, and you got Kirtland Air Force Base, Los Alamos National Lab, and NASA's JPL. So many people work in there. You could probably grab a couple of people randomly, and there would be a connection there. But you gotta think, this, it's 11 people out of so many thousands and thousands of people. I mean, it does look suspicious to me, but I'm starting to think just, I think people are just grabbing at things right now. And I could be wrong. I might be wrong. But it's just what I see right now. Because, I mean, it's viral. It's catching on. I mean, currently the government is now looking into it. So, I mean, it's caught enough eyes to where the government is just like, okay, maybe we should look into it. Maybe there is something, but then it could just find that there's nothing.

Speaker 2:
[57:51] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[57:51] Just because the government is looking into it doesn't mean that it's actually happening. So, I don't know. I find it to be right now just, I guess, a coincidence that all those places are connected. I mean, I don't know, we can grab probably a, probably looking like these other big major companies and stuff, and you'll find probably somebody's died, passed away or something like that. And then look at another company that could be connected and see another death. You're like, oh shit, is that connected?

Speaker 2:
[58:22] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[58:23] It's just that these people are scientists and their names have been put out there. So many people die a day and pass away or go missing. It's just these ones, I guess, because they're connected to Air Force bases, NASA and stuff like that, they get noticed easier.

Speaker 2:
[58:40] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[58:41] So maybe there's a pattern just because of that. So I don't think right now with the information we have that there's some hidden agenda.

Speaker 2:
[58:51] You know, I have to agree with you. Okay. I'm going to say a few things, and this is my own personal opinions, so don't flame me for it. I'm going to say, after looking into all of these individuals, the first two deaths, the Michael David Hicks and the Frank Mavold, they were both individuals who worked in NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory for a very long time, and they ended up dying, but their death was not listed publicly. I think they just died from natural causes, both of them. Now, Anthony Chavez, the guy who ended up going missing, who worked at Los Alamos, he was just an older guy who I think just got dementia or something, and just walked away and went missing or whatever. Monica, who was like the Aerojet Rocketdyne Aerospace Engineer, she ended up going on a hike and went missing. Now, it is incredibly common for people who go on hikes to go missing, so I'm going to kind of snap, kind of put that off to the side, but...

Speaker 1:
[59:55] Was it Angeles National Park?

Speaker 2:
[59:57] Yes, you know, she's the one that I'm kind of like, eh, about, you know, that is weird. And then Melissa Cassius, she was a staff member at Los Alamos, so she didn't really hold a big clearance or whatever, and she ended up going missing, but she did a lot of hunting and things like that. But it is weird that she was seen walking alone near the state road, but I'm going to put that one as not very suspicious that much because she didn't have a clearance. Same with Steven, the individual who worked at Kansas City National Security Campus as the custodian, he just went missing and people are reaching for things. After that, that one guy went missing, Jason Thomas, and he was found dead in the lake, and no foul play was suspected. And then you had the doctor who was shot in his home, and then you had Carl who was shot in his home. And then the 10th one is William McCausland, the Air Force Major General. That is the weird one. He went missing, and the FBI joined in assisting local authorities to figure out where the hell he is at. Major General William McCausland and the woman Monica Reza. Them two are the weird ones that I think when the government says that they're looking into it, I think it's those two individuals. The rest of them, I just think it's, you know, they died and it's normal. Nothing, they weren't connected with these. Now, Amy, I watched a couple videos that Amy put out right before she died. It's my personal opinion that she was in a manic state. You watch the videos and you'll know what I'm talking about if you come across them. Amy was in a very manic looking state, in my personal opinion. And I think it went downhill very fast and that is why she took her own life. So I think people just pulled that in. But yeah, for the most part, it's weird that the Major General went missing and it's weird that the other girl went missing. Besides that, all of these are just tragedies. And yeah, I hope the families can find peace because it must suck hearing about your loved one who went missing and then people pulling conspiracies about them, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1:
[62:06] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[62:07] But I don't think they're really connected. And I might be wrong though, but that's just my own personal opinion after looking into this. I think it's just people seeing viral videos and making connections and making you go, oh, well, maybe, you know, but there's no solid evidence.

Speaker 1:
[62:23] Don't take this the wrong way. It is fun making connections with stuff and all that, but when it comes to death and like people's lives and all that stuff, it starts to get a little, I don't know, I guess, what's the word I'm looking for? Disrespectful, I guess, maybe rude. Because I mean, these people, they lived their lives, then something happened to them. I mean, you got the, what, two people got shot and killed? Honestly, it sounded like the people that shot them had mental issues. Because one did like a mass shooting at Brown University, and then...

Speaker 2:
[62:56] The other one was seen weeks prior or whatever on Carl's front lawn with a rifle.

Speaker 1:
[63:02] And that right there, I feel like, should be on the law enforcement of the area, considering that was a threat. Charges, I don't know why he didn't press charges. I would have.

Speaker 2:
[63:11] He dropped the charges.

Speaker 1:
[63:13] I mean, that's just like when I was back in Virginia for a bit, the neighbor across the street, his son, I believe, has a mental disorder. And he was outside with his crossbow, pointing it at my other neighbor, saying, yelling, saying, I'm gonna shoot you, come out the door. I'm gonna shoot you, I'm gonna shoot you. Obviously, I don't want to be the one to walk out the door and then get shot, or my mom. So I called the authorities. And they were just like, well, he's on his property, so he can like, you know, brandish his weapon on the property as long as he doesn't step off of it. And then all that was just like, I mean, it's a crossbow with a scope. I mean, if he's pretty good aim, he can still hit someone across the street. I mean, especially when he's yelling that he's going to kill somebody.

Speaker 2:
[63:58] Fighting like it's the freaking 1500s.

Speaker 1:
[64:01] Yeah. Making connections is fun, but then it gets to a point to where kind of just kind of take a step back. But hey, if you want those viral views, just become a bandwagoner, just jump on it and make it go even more.

Speaker 2:
[64:16] Yeah. And look at us. We're calling the kettle black because we're covering it today.

Speaker 1:
[64:19] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[64:19] But anyway, we have to because everybody requested it. So here you go. I hope this answers the questions that you have. If you are a loved one, have been a part of this, and you are being targeted by government officials or anyone, please send us an email. We would love to hear from you.

Speaker 1:
[64:36] That's right. Do it.

Speaker 2:
[64:38] But with that being said, that is the end of today's episode. I hope you enjoyed it.

Speaker 1:
[64:44] I did. I didn't really know much about this. I knew that there were scientists dying, but I didn't know it was up to 11. I think the last I heard it was like 7 or 8. So I was just like, oh, that's something you got to pay attention to. I haven't heard anything else other than from you. So I was just like, oh, it's interesting.

Speaker 2:
[65:03] All right. Well, I want to thank you for joining us today. And again, thank you for your love and support. Without you, we could not do this.

Speaker 1:
[65:09] That's right. Thank you for the support. Much love.

Speaker 2:
[65:12] We love you and we are proud of you.

Speaker 7:
[65:14] Proud of you. All right.

Speaker 2:
[65:15] So with that being said, Dan, you want to roll us out?

Speaker 1:
[65:17] Sure will. It's okay to be out of this world with your thoughts.

Speaker 2:
[65:20] Because you are not alone.