title Fire Escape: Escape EP2

description Amika is thrown in the hole for forty days. Locked in a windowless cell, she can hear the women through the walls losing their sanity. To protect herself, Amika must shut down all connections with everyone she loves: her cellies, her mom, and even her kids. The world looks dark until she sees a small light that may illuminate a path to her new life when she gets a call from the firehouse.   
This episode contains strong language and graphic imagery. Sensitive listeners please be advised. 
Thank you, Amika Mota, for sharing your story with us!
Fire Escape, the 6-part series is dropping weekly on the Snap Judgment podcast feed. You can access the bonus episodes here. 
Fire Escape is a production of Snap Studios at KQED, made in partnership with Audible (previously Wondery). This series was created, written and produced by Anna Sussman. 
Snap Senior story editors: Mark Ristich and Nancy López. Director of Production: Marisa Dodge. Original music by Renzo Gorrio and Doug Stuart. Doug Stuart also created the theme song. Sound design and engineering by Miles Lassi.  
Audible senior story editor: Phyllis Fletcher. Development producer: Eliza Mills. Senior Producers: Clare Chambers, Lauren Dee and Mandy Gorenstein. Managing Producer: Sarah Mathis. Executive producers: Glynn Washington, Mark Ristich, Marshall Lewy, Morgan Jones, George Lavender and Jen Sargent.
Special thanks to Adizah Eghan, Kathryn Styer Martínez, Pat Mesiti-Miller, Allison MacAdam, Catherine Winter and the San Francisco Fire Department.
Season 17 - Episode 18


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pubDate Thu, 23 Apr 2026 13:00:00 GMT

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Speaker 1:
[00:08] Welcome back to episode two of the Fire Escape series, the story of one woman whose world burned down before she learned to fight fire from behind bars. If you haven't yet listened to episode one, you want to go back and start there. Since the listeners are advised.

Speaker 2:
[00:37] Amika Mota had been in California State Prison for less than three months when she was forced into solitary confinement. A guard marched her across the prison yard and down the concrete corridor towards the secured housing unit. She knew that the people in the cells on either side had been there for months or even years, and they screamed a lot.

Speaker 3:
[01:02] You know, isolated housing like that makes folks mentally ill. Like what it takes to survive in that environment is to kind of disconnect yourself as this identity of a mother. It's super high, you know, maximum security. You're in your cell 23 hours a day. There's a like, you know, fold down door on your metal door where your meal is slid through three times a day. It's like stupid things like make, you know, flowers out of your tampons or like make things out of the little box lunch boxes we would get. We had mice in the shoes. Some people would make pets of mice. Um, and it's just total isolation.

Speaker 2:
[02:08] She would not speak to or have physical contact with another human for 45 days. From Wondery and Snap Studios at KQED, I'm Anna Sussman, and this is Fire Escape. The story of a woman whose world burned down, and then she learned to fight fire from behind bars. This is episode two, Escape. Up until this moment, Amika's life had been both very ordinary and terribly extraordinary. She was born in Santa Rosa, California, and when she was a week old, she was adopted by a famous 1970s feminist sex icon. What kind of mom was she?

Speaker 3:
[03:00] I don't want to do the good mom, bad mom, sweet mom. My mom was a fucking visionary, dude. My mom was, that's who my mom was. My mom was a visionary and a leader, that's who she was. Well, what can I say about my guest, except Joni Blank is a legend.

Speaker 4:
[03:21] I'm told that I'm a pioneer and I guess it's true because Good Vibrations was the first store of its kind in the country.

Speaker 3:
[03:30] So the year I was born in 77, my mom founded Good Vibrations, which is a women's run sex shop. She was determined to get sexuality out of this dark, seedy place.

Speaker 2:
[03:49] Amika's mom, Joni Blank, wrote 12 books for the publishing company she started, called Down Their Press, like A Complete Guide to Vibrators, and I Am My Lover.

Speaker 3:
[03:59] She did print a book called Famalia.

Speaker 2:
[04:03] 32 full-color photographs of women's vulvas.

Speaker 3:
[04:07] I remember during when that book was coming together, yes, there was pictures of Joni's all over my dining room. Most of my memories are of my mom obsessing on her work, and that was all my mom could relate to, right? She had a mission, and that was it. My mom was a revolutionary.

Speaker 2:
[04:31] Like, revolutionaries don't make great parents?

Speaker 3:
[04:35] Oh, fuck yeah. Oh, yes. I'm finally figuring that out. Like, maybe that's my problem.

Speaker 2:
[04:45] Amika's relationship with her mom, Joni, was tough from a young age. Joni had adopted Amika when she was a newborn. By the time she became a teenager, Amika saw Joni as a hippie Berkeley mom who she couldn't really relate to.

Speaker 3:
[05:00] I mean, I remember being like eight, six years old, eight years old when I first tried to run away, and then, you know, like 10, 11 was when I started drinking and using and getting police contact and all that. It was like very, very early.

Speaker 2:
[05:14] When she was a teenager, Amika was sent to youth diversion programs and she was placed in kind of halfway houses and she ran away from almost all those programs.

Speaker 3:
[05:24] I mean, I feel like my life has been dominated in many ways by kind of my dance with addiction throughout my whole life since as early as I can remember. It's like I always danced with drugs, always.

Speaker 2:
[05:44] When she was 16, she ran away pregnant and had a baby boy named Milo. And when Milo was a few weeks old, something happened that would shift Amika from the kind of wild lifestyle she had felt drawn to. Something that would actually keep her completely and totally sober for more than a decade. She heard a friend talking about something called a midwife.

Speaker 3:
[06:08] Because I heard about somebody that had their baby at home. I was like, oh my God, that's what I want to do. It was just that. It was a comment. I was like, that's what I'm going to be.

Speaker 2:
[06:17] Do you think there's a connection between your mom's interest and women's control over their bodies and your being drawn to midwifery?

Speaker 3:
[06:28] Oh, yeah. Like I've always said that I was raised by a mother that was doing women's work since the day I can remember.

Speaker 2:
[06:41] So, Amika, who was never one for formal education, started to seek out mentors and elders.

Speaker 3:
[06:48] You know, midwife means with woman. And I wanted to be with women as they gave birth. It was such a beautiful, sacred space. And birth work was just deep work. You know, so a lot of what I wanted to bring to that was the ability for folks to see themselves as who they were as powerful women.

Speaker 2:
[07:13] She started as an apprentice and became a full-fledged midwife when she was in her early 20s, driving out to women's houses day and night to catch babies. She was on call 24 hours a day for six years. She had two more kids while she was a midwife, Soleil and Blossom. She worked with her own babies on her lap. It was an intense lifestyle and it suited her needs.

Speaker 3:
[07:37] You know, midwifery gave me a purpose. And it was one of the reasons that I stepped all the way back from using drugs, kind of the life that I had been living before, was because I was committed to focusing on this like new love of mine, midwifery. And there was something about that feeling as a midwife and this focused intensity that it required, kind of this out-of-body experience.

Speaker 2:
[08:12] Sounds parallel to being on drugs.

Speaker 3:
[08:15] Yeah, absolutely. Actually, there's nothing for anybody that's ever, you know, injected cocaine. Your ears ring, things get silent, and there's this bubble. And that is as close to the feeling as I can describe. I actually would say that I used to get that same feeling, like it was when I injected drugs. I could feel, I could taste my breath. Something changed. And it was this like just a massive adrenaline rush that did something that was like a kind of calming, strange effect.

Speaker 2:
[08:55] Midwifing was amazing and fulfilling in so many ways for so many years. And then Amika made this huge life changing decision.

Speaker 3:
[09:05] Um, I walked away from what I loved.

Speaker 2:
[09:08] Why did you walk away from what you love?

Speaker 3:
[09:10] Um, I was working as a midwife for six or seven years and I had been on call for 24-7. I was exhausted.

Speaker 2:
[09:22] It was too demanding for a mother with three kids. So she left it. And when she quit her job and moved with her husband and three kids to this remote mountain area in California, that's when things started to unravel. The story continues right after this break. Welcome back to Snap Judgment. My name is Anna Sussman. Today, we're listening to our series, Fire Escape, Already in Progress.

Speaker 3:
[10:05] I stepped away and I moved to a different state and was like super, super isolated. I didn't have that work that gave me this type of purpose. You know, this time where I had tried to kind of restart my life as a mama and just be with my children actually got really complicated and I got really tangled up.

Speaker 2:
[10:31] She did have the three bedroom house with a wrapper and porch. She had this goal to reconnect with her kids. She was able to go to football practice and do the things her kids had asked for all those years. Those years when she was called away in the middle of the night as a midwife. But there was a lot of hardship to it. She didn't have midwifing to ground her. Her marriage was falling apart and she had moved to a place where she really didn't know anyone. She relapsed quietly, holding down a job and using when no one else was around.

Speaker 3:
[11:03] I think the reason that I ended up in a position of wanting to use again after almost 13 years of being clean, I was away from my community. I was in a really bad relationship.

Speaker 2:
[11:20] She said that when the marriage got really ugly, the father of her kids took them away and said she'd never see them again. And then a little while later, on August 18th, less than two months before the crash, he filed for divorce. Amika was caught off guard by all of it. She said she knew things were bad in their marriage, but she didn't know things would escalate so quickly.

Speaker 3:
[11:43] So I was losing my mind literally. I mean, the drugs were bad enough and then, this and so I literally just like, I was losing my mind.

Speaker 2:
[11:57] In court, both Amika and the father of her kids accused the other of drug use and ordered the other to drug test. Amika knew her test would come back positive and she could lose custody of her kids. So she decided to go someplace to get clean and get well.

Speaker 3:
[12:13] And so I packed up the family photos, the books, like journals, things that were, those were what were important to me.

Speaker 2:
[12:22] She checked herself into a rehab center, South Coast Recovery, not far from Laguna Beach. But a few days later, she checked herself out again in order to eventually make it to a custody hearing back home. She walked from the rehab facility to a rental car agency and rented a black double cab Chevy with a cap on the back. On the day that would become the day of the accident, she ended up at Huntington Beach, off Highway 1. She was running out of gas.

Speaker 3:
[12:54] And so in the Huntington Beach parking lot, I went and swam in the beach. I got tomatoes, like I'll never forget this. I got tomatoes and fruits, just whatever. And I was in this parking lot, and like surfer guy approaches me. And I was like, Oh, do you smoke? And I was like, Yeah, I thought he meant weed. And I went to walk on the beach with him, and he actually had a meth pipe. And so I was, he had a meth pipe.

Speaker 2:
[13:28] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[13:28] So I was kind of blown away because I kind of was like people, like surfer guys. I really was like kind of naive to this idea that it was like everywhere the way it is.

Speaker 2:
[13:39] Oh my, I think you got surprised at me.

Speaker 3:
[13:41] I totally shocked me because I just thought it was this like world that I lived in of like, you know, whatever. The world, the underworld of drugs, it wasn't like somebody asked you to smoke at the beach and then it's meth instead of weed, right? And so I ended up smoking with him. And then, oh, he filled up my gas tank though. So he was like trying to hit on me, all that, whatever. But he filled up my gas tank. So mission accomplished. I had gas in my car and I was ready now to go to Lancaster, where I was going to head to because there is this Buddhist monastery there. The whole time I had thought I just need to rest and eat. That's what I need. I need to be by myself, rest and eat and think and have some quiet and some space. It was now evening and I drive by this Catholic Church. I hadn't been to a Catholic Church for 17 years. I went to Mass. I pull over and I go to Mass. It's like an late evening Mass. It's at this church. It's a beautiful church and I just wanted to go, you know, be moved by the Spirit. And so I go into church and I'm having this like very powerful experience and, you know, I don't know what they're called, but the incense that they're bringing, like the whole church is full of the smoke and I'm praying and there's tears coming down my eyes and I just, you know, everything was just very intense and it was intense for like a number of reasons. I think definitely the drugs, but I'm also having this like insane moment in my life. And I was really like feeling the spirit and there's these kind of pews that pop down and you can kneel down and pray, right? So I started on my knees praying. And then when I rose up, it was like the people sitting next to me were like starting to do double takes and like look at me a little too hard. I get up to leave and the priest said we shouldn't be here. And I was so shocked that I was told that I shouldn't be here. And so I get in my truck and I kick out of church mode and I kick into just rage. I don't even know how to describe my state of mind. I was angry. It was crazy. The whole scene was so crazy. Like leaving Catholic Church. Like having like on my knees praying in the back and then to this, right? I don't remember the moment of impact. I don't remember those things. I do remember approaching the light that I ran and like seeing the light. I don't remember if I saw it red, but I just, I like was gonna burn through it.

Speaker 2:
[16:56] All of that led to this moment in prison, in isolation. It had been more than a year since she'd seen her kids. In isolation, there was a toilet and a colony of mice who ran through the ceiling. She'd be let out to an outdoor cage called the Dog Run for an hour. Every few days, she'd put her hands through a slot in the door to be cuffed to take into a shower. There were no phone calls. Her food was slid to her through the slot in the door for 45 days. She made a promise to herself to never be sent back to the shoe. So she built a wall around her, a wall between her and everyone she'd loved. When she was returned back to her cell, she opened up her locker, and there were the pictures of Milo, Soleil and Blossom.

Speaker 3:
[17:49] And so, I remember taking the pictures down, and taking them down, and putting them all into this little envelope that I had, with all the other pictures that I had. And, you know, just sticking it in the back of my locker. Like, in particular, the picture of Blossom and her freckles, you know. That picture, it just, it was just too much. And I know that sounds strange for folks that don't understand, you know, that, like, how incredibly painful it is to see your children every day, but you can't hold them, you can't touch them, you can't talk to them when you want to. And it just hurts too much sometimes. There, you know, is this idea of what, you know, what you've done to your children and, like, what, and all of those things are real, and I'm also sitting in a cell with not a damn thing I can do about any of it.

Speaker 2:
[19:00] More Fire Escape after the break. Stay tuned. Welcome back to Snap Judgment. This is Fire Escape, the story of a woman whose world burned down, and then she learned to fight fire from behind bars. Friends on the outside who she thought would support her stopped writing her back. Her mom, Joni, never wavered in her support. She sent her articles about the accident that she'd print out from the internet, but said she wouldn't send the comments because they were too hurtful.

Speaker 3:
[19:40] I was like, actually, can you please send the comments? I really need to see the comments. And it's like this, you start realizing, like, what does it really mean to be now labeled as someone that has killed someone, someone that has, like, committed this horrific, reckless crime?

Speaker 2:
[20:04] Did you at that moment not know who you were anymore, or was it just that other people didn't know who you were anymore?

Speaker 3:
[20:09] No, I didn't know who I was either. I mean, I think it was at that point, I knew I could never go back to some pieces of my life.

Speaker 2:
[20:18] Amika didn't really reach out to anyone much during this time. But there was another woman in her cell named Casper. She was pale. And Casper and Amika would sometimes watch TV together or eat together. And Casper was really young. Amika didn't quite realize the significance of that until one night in their cell.

Speaker 3:
[20:37] Casper had just had a pretty rough day. I think things were hitting her really hard. And she just climbed up the bunk and laid her head on me and cried.

Speaker 2:
[20:51] In the top bunk in the dim cell, Amika hugged her and wiped her tears.

Speaker 3:
[20:57] She needed me to rub her head. She needed me to just love her up like a mama would. Just hold her, just listen to her. And that was just a moment that really... It was strange for me and it was kind of uncomfortable because I always kept this guard up. And I didn't connect with many people like that.

Speaker 2:
[21:23] Amika started waking up at the 5 a.m. count when the flashlight hit her pillow. And one morning she dug her journal out of her locker.

Speaker 3:
[21:32] I had a dream. And it was like, I woke up with this clear, like the words ringing in my ear, that I was doing a different type of midwifing there. And so I remember that moment of like, oh, I'm not here for my kids, but I had a purpose on the yard and I was there as a mother and I was there as a sister and I was there. It just, my purpose was clear. I could be that good person and I could be a good mama. And so I took that role.

Speaker 2:
[22:14] Amika said, this is how she survived in prison for a long time. She allowed herself to be a mom, despite the fact that she felt she was no longer entitled to that role. She loved people in prison. She'd spend hours helping folks with their cases in the law library. She'd help younger ones who didn't know they were about to get into a lot of trouble. But after about five years, it was all taking a toll on her, because loving women who are living in this system is hard. Loving women in prison is hard.

Speaker 3:
[22:48] You know, like five years in, when, yeah, just seeing people you love kind of deteriorate in prison, and not just caught up in the rules and the whatever, but like their lives are, they're dying inside, you know? And I, I didn't want to be there. I didn't want to watch my friends dying.

Speaker 2:
[23:14] But there was no where she could go. You can't just take a break from prison. She had years left to live out on her sentence. There was one option.

Speaker 3:
[23:25] I remember definitely seeing the fire crews walk onto the yard. Everybody would stop and stare, because it was the fire girls, and they look different than us, you know? And colored shirts, and they're different. They look different, really like, solid. You'd be always like, kind of like badasses, you know?

Speaker 2:
[23:43] They would wear real denim, dark blue denim shirts and denim pants, boots.

Speaker 3:
[23:49] I always wondered what it was like on that side, right? Because we knew they live right outside the gate, and so it's kind of this other world that just isn't magic. It's like, what, where are they? What are they doing?

Speaker 2:
[24:00] If she became a firefighter, she wouldn't be on the yard anymore. She would live and work at Station 5, a little house on the prison grounds with no cells or bars and only a handful of people. So the next time a fire captain from the station came inside the prison to give informational interviews, Amika went and talked to him. And one of the things he explained to her was that as a firefighter there, she would respond to calls inside the prison, prison fires and fire alarms, and also respond to calls in the surrounding area, like house fires, structure fires, car accidents.

Speaker 3:
[24:36] I didn't know that they went out in the community and that they were actually responding to legit fires on the outside or car accidents. I didn't know any of that. Just gave me this picture of what, what it would look like and I wanted it.

Speaker 2:
[24:57] After she interviewed with the fire captain, she waited every day for three months to hear back from Station 5.

Speaker 3:
[25:04] It's called a Ducket, and they deliver your Ducket at mail time.

Speaker 2:
[25:09] The Ducket told her her new job assignment, institutional firefighter. She'd be moving from an eight-person prison cell to the prison firehouse just over the wall.

Speaker 3:
[25:20] It was scary and exciting, and I was kind of freaking out and kind of just like ready to go.

Speaker 2:
[25:28] They wanted to see if she had what it took. She had to meet with the fire captain again to sign her contract, and there was a lot of fine print.

Speaker 3:
[25:38] Which, can I just read it?

Speaker 2:
[25:40] Yeah, you have it.

Speaker 3:
[25:41] I've got it. Yeah, I brought this home with me. Let there be no doubt in your mind, firefighting is a dangerous business. Firefighters suffer one of the highest on the job injury and death rates in the world. The fire, explosion, electrocution, entrapment, unruly people, animals, drowning, weapons, and booby traps.

Speaker 5:
[26:05] Every inmate that I bring out here, I sit down in my office and go over the rules, and they sign a bunch of paperwork, liability stuff, and explain to them what they're getting into, the rules of the firehouse, consequences if they break the rules.

Speaker 2:
[26:23] Captain Lott was one of the captains from Station 5 that explained and enforced the rules. He explains that the prison wasn't responsible if they were injured or killed on the job. He explains the rule that firefighters couldn't be friends with women on the inside.

Speaker 5:
[26:41] They're not allowed to communicate with them and approach them because we don't want people to think that they're passing notes back and forth or food or contraband that they found out here.

Speaker 2:
[26:55] Do you remember that being part of the deal?

Speaker 3:
[26:58] Yeah, I remember that being part of the deal. I knew that we weren't supposed to wave at people or hug people or say hi to folks.

Speaker 2:
[27:06] If she broke one of the rules, she'd be locked back inside, out of options, and maybe even with more time added to her sentence.

Speaker 3:
[27:16] I didn't want to let go and I didn't feel like I should have to let go. Like, who are you to tell me to let go of my family? Don't tell me that. This is what we have, and I have love for these people.

Speaker 2:
[27:34] When her family inside found out that she was moving to the firehouse, they threw her a party.

Speaker 3:
[27:40] So I came back to the cell and there was confetti. That takes forever to make in there, too. It's like cutting up whatever. Anyway, so confetti all over my bed, a little cake with paper candles. They would roll up the magazines and make little candles, licking candles, and then wet burritos we had that night. And just so it was excitement and I was being sent off with love, and it was also really sad because I knew that there, you know, some of these folks I wouldn't see again, you know, especially the folks like serving long-term sentences or life sentences.

Speaker 2:
[28:23] Amika had helped one friend inside through chemo. She had helped others write legal briefs to challenge their cases. The women inside were each other's entire world. She didn't take kindly to the instruction that she walled them off.

Speaker 5:
[28:39] To be honest with her, I was worried about it because I knew that she helped a lot of the inmates on the inside. So I was like, oh man, I hope she doesn't come out here and is trying to, you know, stir things up.

Speaker 2:
[28:52] Amika knew she didn't have other choices. So in Captain Lott's office, wearing a polka dot mumu, she signed the contract. She was agreeing to cut all communication with anyone incarcerated in the prison. And when you agreed to that, were you like, yes, I'm doing this, this is painful, but I'm fully doing it? Or were you like, yeah, okay, sure.

Speaker 1:
[29:13] No.

Speaker 3:
[29:15] No, I never, I mean, I signed it, but I did not agree to that in my mind.

Speaker 2:
[29:20] And pretty soon after arriving at the firehouse, it became clear that it was going to be a problem.

Speaker 3:
[29:27] They kept telling me, you're not ready to be here, you're not ready and you need to let go. Do I really belong here? Should I be here or should I go back in?

Speaker 2:
[29:51] Firescape is a production of Snap Studios and Wondery. This series was created, written, and produced by me, Anna Sussman, and I want to thank Amika Mota for her help and generosity in sharing her story with us. For Snap Studios, our senior story editors are Mark Ristich and Nancy López. Marisa Dodge is our director of production. Original music by Renzo Gorrio and Doug Stuart, Doug Stuart also created our theme song, Sound Design and Engineering by Miles Lassi. For Wondery, our senior story editor is Phyllis Fletcher, our development producer is Eliza Mills, Clare Chambers, Lauren Dee and Mandy Gorenstein are our senior producers, and Sarah Mathis is our managing producer. Our executive producers for Snap Studios are Glynn Washington and Mark Ristich. Executive producers for Wondery are Marshall Lewy, Morgan Jones, George Lavender and Jen Sargent. On Team Snap, the union represented producers, artists, editors and engineers are members of the National Association of Broadcast Employees and Technicians, Communication Workers of America, AFL-CIO Local 51. Fire Escape, the full six part series is dropping weekly on the Snap Judgment feed. You can listen to wherever you get your podcasts and on our website, snapjudgment.org.