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Speaker 1:
[00:09] You are listening to the Reality Steve Podcast with your host Reality Steve. He's got all the latest info and behind the scenes juice on Taylor Frankie Paul's season of The Bachelorette and interviewing some of your favorite reality stars. Now here's Reality Steve.

Speaker 2:
[00:34] What's up, everybody, welcome to podcast number 492. I'm your host, Reality Steve. Thank you all for tuning in. Big day today on this podcast, on the Daily Roundup, a lot of stuff to cover. But 492 is going to be Temptation Island talk. It's two interviews that I did separately, combined them together for one interview. I first talked to Scarlett Bentley from Temptation Island, and then I talked to the couple that is Summit and Kaylee, Summit Wallace and Kaylee Needham. And we will get to that momentarily.

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Speaker 2:
[01:38] So this week, I've conducted six Temptation Island interviews. Two of them you'll hear today. Combine them together. They interviewed them within a day of each other. And just because Scarlett is not in the interview with Cole, if you listen to part one of the Vial Files Temptation Island reunion show yesterday, you know that Scarlett and Cole, shortly after filming ended last summer in Temptation Island, got back together and they are still together to this day. But I just talked to Scarlett for this interview. And then after that, you're going to hear the interview I conducted with Summit and Kaylee, which is really one of my favorites. I thought they were great. Scarlett was great too. Hell, everybody I talked to, you're going to hear coming up in the next few days. So I also, outside of these two interviews that you're going to hear today for episode 492, you're going to hear me talk to four singles from Temptation Island this season. We're going to talk to Xavier, who was involved with Sydney, and we're going to talk to Chris, who was involved with Kaylee. I combined those two interviews. The other interviews I conducted were with Carter, the one that was hooking up with Jack, and the other one was Bradley, who was hooking up, excuse me. Definitely strike that from the record, and you'll hear that in Scarlett's interview and the Bradley interview. But Bradley, who was involved, and the one that Scarlett spoke to a lot. I'm going to combine Xavier and Chris, and I combined Carter and Bradley's interview. Those will be coming, maybe one will be coming later today, and then I'll do another one tomorrow, or maybe I'll both drop them both tomorrow. I don't know just yet how I'm going to do it. But very good interviews. A lot of people are posting their interviews with Temptation Island couples. So part one was on the Vial files yesterday, and in case you didn't hear it, Summit and Kaylee are still together. Scarlett and Cole are together. Sydney and Mikey got together right after filming ended and dated for three months. But Sydney said she didn't feel that Mikey changed at all, so they broke up and she has since reached out to Xavier, which you will hear in the Xavier podcast that I did. He said basically, we're seeing where it goes right now. Then, as for Cheyenne and Jack, that is the mystery right now because when you listen to my Carter interview, she specifically says, I know what's going on between those two, and she flat out says it, you'll hear it in one of the clips that I release. But according to Cheyenne and Jack, part one of the Vial Files reunion show that aired yesterday, they say they are not together anymore. Carter disputes that. So who knows where it's going to go from here, and who knows who's telling the truth. Maybe it lies somewhere in the middle. But Carter basically says, I don't want to spoil it for you. You can listen to that when I post it either later today or tomorrow. As for the Daily Roundup that I posted earlier today, my gosh, a lot of information there. We finally got some news of what the hell is going on in Bachelor Nation. We're going to have a Bachelor season. It's not going to air till 2027, but we're going to get one and Bachelor in Paradise is coming back next summer as well. So I think we're back on track. As for Taylor Frankie Paul season, Robert Mills who works at ABC basically said, we're taking things day by day. He said, I have no idea if it's ever going to see the light of day and air. I don't know if it's going to air on ABC, I don't know if it's going to air on a streaming service. My opinion that I expressed numerous times on the Daily Roundup today was, there's no way Taylor Frankie Paul season will ever air on network television. Because network television, you have up fronts where networks present their schedule for the fall season, for the spring season, all that stuff. Taylor Frankie Paul season is 12 episodes long. Like you have to plan out for something like that. If you just drop it on a streamer, you don't have to worry about timing because it's just there, and people can watch it whenever they feel like watching it. To say, oh yeah, we're going to air Taylor Frankie Paul season on ABC, starting in January 2027. Well, it's not going to be January 2027, because we know that's when The Bachelor is going to air. We don't know January, but we know 2027, and it looks like, my opinion is, they will go back to their normal filming schedule. The Bachelor will film September to November of this year, and then start airing in January of next year. That's my opinion. But ABC is going to have to literally set aside 12 Mondays to air Taylor Frankie Paul season if they were to ever do it, and I just don't think that's ever going to happen. So then the question becomes, do they dump it onto a streamer? Well, we know that Bachelor is going to air in 2027, probably January to March like it normally does. We know that Bachelor in Paradise is going to air next summer, probably in June or July. So if they decide to just dump Taylor Frankie Paul season onto a streamer, are they really going to do it two years after they filmed it? It filmed from October to December of 2025. It's not looking like it's going to air this year. At any point in 2026, you're not going to air it when Bachelor and Bachelor in Paradise are airing in 2027. So you'd wait till after. I just don't see it happening. I could be wrong. Maybe they will dump it at some point onto a streamer at the end of 2026 or sometime this year. I don't know. But put it this way. If it does not get dumped onto a streamer in 2026, it's never airing. I just don't see the point of airing Taylor Frankie Paul season a year and a half after it airs, when I think a lot of these guys on her season are probably going to be on Bachelor in Paradise next year. So if you don't air it before that airs, it wouldn't make any sense whatsoever. Why would you air Bachelor in Paradise next summer and then show Taylor Frankie Paul season after that? It's just like, OK, the timelines are all screwed up. So anyway, we talk about that on the Daily Roundup. We'll also talk a little bit about Survivor. We talk about what else happened at the Hulu Get Real event yesterday. Shows that were announced, one show that I told you about two and a half months ago, was officially confirmed. 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Speaker 4:
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Speaker 5:
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Speaker 5:
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Speaker 2:
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Speaker 2:
[11:55] All right, let's get going. Podcast number 492. Okay, let's bring her in. You saw her on this season of Temptation Island, season two. She came in with her boyfriend, Cole, at the time. It is Scarlett Bentley. Scarlett, thanks for coming on.

Speaker 6:
[12:12] Hello, thank you for having me.

Speaker 2:
[12:15] So I didn't even know this, I guess, until things started airing. When you start going on the internet and start Googling people from the show. I did not know you were on Below Deck. Although it seems like, based on what I saw, that looked like a long time ago. I believe you're 29 now. When did you use Below Deck? How old were you?

Speaker 6:
[12:35] I think it was like four years ago, maybe five. It was a while ago.

Speaker 2:
[12:40] Were you on the whole season? I don't watch Below Deck. I have no idea.

Speaker 6:
[12:43] No. I was supposed to go on the next season, but then someone got kicked off midseason and they called me and said, can we fly to Spain tomorrow? I was like, okay, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[12:54] Okay. All right. Going into Temptation Island, you and Cole had been dating how long?

Speaker 6:
[13:00] About two years with a break in there.

Speaker 2:
[13:03] When did you and how did you meet Cole?

Speaker 6:
[13:06] We met through a mutual friend here in San Diego. He was needing help marketing his company and our friend knew that that's what I did. So she connected us and so we just started working together and then we both went through breakups and the next thing we were hanging out, and that's what kicked it off.

Speaker 2:
[13:25] All right. You always have to sit down and talk to Mark at the beginning of the show and tell him kind of what your deal is, why you're there and whatnot. I think for you guys, based on everything that we saw this season, and I know you've seen the reaction online, people are really confused on what it is your issues were. I mean, we know that the issue, like the general answer is, he had the tendency to tell lies. So I want to dive into that a little bit later, but going into the show, what did you think your issues were? Whose idea was it to come on? And what made you accept this and say like this is, we need to do this?

Speaker 6:
[14:05] So it was absolutely for the trust. That's what the biggest issue in our relationship had been, which we can dive into that later, but I think it was really downplayed on the show of what those lies were. But so that's what we were going on the show for. They reached out to me via Instagram and I just ghosted at first. I was like, no, I don't think that's a good idea. Then I brought it up to Cole and I told him, hey, Temptation Island reached out, we could go on there and basically test our relationship. We started talking about it and then I decided, no, I do not think this is a good idea. Let's not do it. Cole said, let's just try. I was like, you know what? Okay. Then it was a mutual decision. We both agreed and here we are.

Speaker 2:
[14:50] Okay. When you decided to do it, obviously any couple that comes on this show says, all right, here are the boundaries. Some abide by them, some don't. First off, actually go back a little bit. Had you ever seen Temptation Island before? Had both of you seen it? Did you watch the previous seasons?

Speaker 6:
[15:05] We hadn't seen it until they reached out, but then once they reached out, we watched it.

Speaker 2:
[15:10] We watched it. Okay. You go in, obviously every couple goes in with boundaries. What were the boundaries that you set for each other going in? Was it absolutely no physical contact whatsoever outside of the basics of hanging out at the pool or whatever? But what were your boundaries that you guys set?

Speaker 6:
[15:30] That's what it was. We were just said absolutely nothing physical, no cheating. I think a big thing going into it, I just kept saying this is a huge opportunity for growth. I think that was really the rules. It was like go in there, let's grow and don't cheat on one another.

Speaker 2:
[15:47] Okay. When this happens and you guys get there and then you're in it, and obviously it's probably a weird experience. I believe you and Cole before the show, you guys were living together, right?

Speaker 6:
[15:58] We were. Yes. He had moved in just maybe a month before the show.

Speaker 2:
[16:03] Really? You get there and you had been dating for two years. I'm guessing you had never gone three weeks in a row with zero contact from each other.

Speaker 6:
[16:14] We had when we took the break. Oh, no. Going into the show, I mean, we were in inseparable. We were doing everything together, but we were also in a really rocky spot right before we left, to the point where we almost said like, we can't even do this. That's where we were leading in.

Speaker 2:
[16:38] What was the rocky spot heading in?

Speaker 6:
[16:41] Lies. So it had been a common theme from the beginning. I mean, from as soon as we started hanging out, there were some red flags that I maybe should have paid closer attention to, but it just continued. And then it was literally, I mean, weeks before the show, you know, things were still coming out and surfacing or something would come up and I would blatantly just like catch him in a lie. And so for me, I mean, the biggest thing was trust, but then getting there, it's like, okay, he's not going to cheat on me, you know? So it got way deeper than that because that's just like not who we are.

Speaker 2:
[17:19] When you say lies, lies wasn't cheating. Your pre-show relationship problems had nothing to do with him straying from the relationship, correct?

Speaker 6:
[17:29] No. While we were together, he was never with anyone else. It was more so when we first started talking and hanging out from the very jump. There was an instance where he went on a trip. He told me that nothing happened. And then I came to come to find out he had slept with a girl on the trip and everything. And that was leading into our relationship. But then it was more so when we were on that break and we were still hanging out and I'd be with him one day. And then the next day I would wake up with a pit in my stomach and I would say, what happened last night? And he would say nothing and then the truth would come out. And so it was just, it broke my heart time and time again. And then he said, well, if we can just actually be together, I will never lie to you again. And so I said, you know what, let's do it. We got back together and other lies continued. And so it was just like, I just felt really unsafe and was just hurt a lot.

Speaker 2:
[18:32] What caused the break? Was it that particular story that you just mentioned or was it something else that caused the break in the relationship?

Speaker 6:
[18:38] That was a big piece of it. It was also that he and I had both been in really long relationships right before we got together. So I don't think that those relationships were fully healed. I know I still needed time for that and I just needed time for me. And so that the lies and then just not being able to like really see eye to eye on things and just like have that connection. I just thought that it was best for both of us to take some space.

Speaker 2:
[19:04] How long was that break?

Speaker 6:
[19:09] Maybe four months.

Speaker 2:
[19:11] And it was, was it a no contact break or you guys kind of checked in with each other or whatnot?

Speaker 6:
[19:16] There was like a month, maybe a little bit longer where we didn't talk. But other than that, I mean, we, right after that long break of no talking, we started hanging out, we started going to the gym together again, going to dinners, doing all the things. And then that's when all the other stuff started.

Speaker 2:
[19:34] So if you were to like characterize his lies, would you say like, were they huge or was it a bunch of little ones that added up?

Speaker 6:
[19:43] I would say some of them were pretty huge. Some of them are little, some things I'm just like, what's the point? But then others, I mean, it were really big things that were left out, or that I would ask 10 times. And it was lied straight to my face. And then finally on the 10th time, like he would tell me the truth. And so it was just no foundation.

Speaker 2:
[20:07] Okay. So I guess, I mean, you can answer for him on this, but when you finally get around to, you said takes 10 times sometimes to get him, and then he finally admits it. What is his reasoning for why he lied the previous nine times about it? What is his explanation for why he did what he did?

Speaker 6:
[20:28] His explanation is, well, for the times where it was like him sleeping with other people, he would say, well, we aren't actually together, so I don't feel the need to tell you the truth. And I'm like, regardless if we're together or not, we're trying to build this back to a relationship. So why would I want to get back in a relationship with someone if they can't even be honest with me? So I don't care if you're lying when we're together, if you're lying when we're not together. A lie is a lie and that shatters all trust.

Speaker 2:
[21:01] Yeah, it's tough to build trust back, obviously, when you get that lie, because then everything he tells you, I'm assuming he's going through your head is like, wait, is this true because he lied about these other things, so I have no idea, and then you're just running it through your head. So at this point, on the island, you're starting to see him on the bonfires, and you're seeing clips of him. Obviously, as we know, he never cheated on the island, never got physical with anybody on the island, but you're seeing the videos of him on the island. What are you seeing that when you're processing in your head, you're like, I'm not seeing what I need to see. What were you seeing versus what you wanted to see?

Speaker 6:
[21:40] I don't even know if I'm supposed to say this, but a lot of the clips that you see on those bonfires, that's not what I actually saw. I'm seeing the bare minimum. I'm seeing that he doesn't even want to be there, that he doesn't want to participate. I'm also hearing him say a lot of the things that I've heard him say a million times. It was just nothing new and I felt like he was just going through the motions, just trying to get to the end and proving, hey, I made it through without cheating when that's not it.

Speaker 2:
[22:13] So you're looking at these clips and basically, the clips that we saw you were looking at were not necessarily the clip at all or it was a little more extended and we only saw part of it?

Speaker 6:
[22:28] Some were not the clip at all.

Speaker 2:
[22:30] Okay. So that leads to a lot of confusion, I think, when we get to the end with you guys, obviously, because you had a journey yourself, but I kind of want to get to the end with you and Cole here. And you get to the final bonfire and you're talking to Mark and you're talking to Cole and I mean, you know which word I'm going to bring up. The word is depth, it brought up numerous times. And the biggest complaint we heard from you was that there was a lack of depth. Now, I want you to dive a little bit deeper into what you meant by that, a little more depth, so to speak. What did you mean when you kept saying that about the depth of Cole?

Speaker 6:
[23:09] I also want to say that was played so much on the show, but that was not what my main issues with the relationship were. So I think that was just played up a lot, but by lack of depth, I mean, we really weren't able to communicate back home. I felt like, you know, during conversations, it was always so vague or I would get one word answers, or I felt like it was really surface level. A lot of our relationship was, it just felt like the connecting pieces were missing. And for me, I just want to be able to feel that with my boyfriend. And so there are a lot of different ways in the relationship where I just felt like it never went deeper than just like a typical conversation.

Speaker 2:
[23:56] So you guys never, I mean, I don't say never, but you just had very few deep conversations about, I don't know, future goals, family planning, stuff like that. Like to me, that's depth and emotions, talking about his feelings. That seems like depth to me. Are you saying you just never got a lot of those?

Speaker 6:
[24:15] I think Cole really, especially in the beginning of our relationship, like he didn't talk about his feelings. I think, and he even has told me, Scar, I've never had conversations with anyone like I have with you. So I think maybe that's just not something that he was used to or he had never expressed his feelings before. And it was just almost like having to show him that side and bring that out of him. And so I think that that was just a big missing piece.

Speaker 2:
[24:50] You had brought up, I can't remember if it was at the final bonfire or one of the other bonfires. You had brought up the fact that your friends had had questions to you about Cole. So, you know, just kind of specify what those were. I'm assuming these friends said these things to you when Cole wasn't around. Like, what would be the type of things that your friends would say to you about Cole?

Speaker 6:
[25:14] I think, you know, a lot of comments that I've gotten is just like, he's really hard to get to know. And so I feel like my friends knowing me and then seeing him, they just, you know, questioned if it was a match just based off of who we are as people.

Speaker 2:
[25:33] I was going to say, it seems like, you know, basically I only have nine episodes of a television show to go off of, but it seems like you're more of an extrovert and he's more of an introvert. Is that accurate?

Speaker 6:
[25:45] Yes and no, because I feel like he is extroverted as well. Like, you know, he wants to go out and do things and do that. But I think it's just when it comes to meeting people for the first time or I think I'm just more open and whereas he can seem like a lot more closed off, which to people could come off that he just like doesn't care, you know, but I think maybe it's just maybe he's a little more shy or I don't know what it is.

Speaker 2:
[26:11] So when you are going through this process, the one guy that you had a connection with to go and the guy that you I guess confided in a lot was Bradley. Talk about your friendship and your relationship with Bradley and how he helped you through this. Was there ever any thought process of leaving the island with Bradley or was it, I mean, they're going to leave with Cole or I'm leaving solo?

Speaker 6:
[26:34] Yeah, no, that never crossed my mind with Bradley. He from the get-go was just, I think too, you know, we were the two oldest in the house. I think that we had really mature conversations. I think that his outlook and insight was just really valuable to me. And it was like, I could just, you know, openly talk about all of the things that had happened in my relationship and where we're at now and which, you know, none of that's shown, but that's what our conversations were. And, you know, he was just such a good friend and just really supported me through something that was really hard. And so, yeah, I mean, my only option was, you know, either leave with Cole or leave with myself.

Speaker 2:
[27:17] So when you were there, you know, just kind of looking at the ages, obviously you were older than the other three. They were all 23 or 24, right? Cheyenne and Kaylee and Sydney were all 24 or younger. They might be 25 now, but at the time of filming, I think the 23 and 24 and 24. Did you have a sense of a motherly role with them or did you learn from them as well?

Speaker 6:
[27:42] I think we all supported each other in such great ways. I definitely felt like the big sister in a lot of situations, but I was happy to do that. I think that there were a lot of times where I was able to step in and just be a voice of reason looking at different situations with different perspectives and things that I've been through, because I feel like all of their relationships I've experienced at one point or another. They supported me just as much.

Speaker 2:
[28:09] When you go into the final bonfire, and was it in your mind at the final bonfire, all right, I'm going to sit across from Cole and I'll make my decision based on his answers or did you know going into that final bonfire? I'm leaving solo. I don't care what he says.

Speaker 6:
[28:29] I know the journal thing maybe from the outside just seems like, so what? He went through a journal. Some people are also like to not be pissed. That's not what it's about. It's the principle that this is something we had talked about at home so much, like just like respect, you know, my privacy, like don't read my journal when he moved into my house because I journal a lot and it's like, that's my safe space. And so he knew that. He knew that that was a huge thing for me. And so when I got back to the villa that night and saw that my journal was not where I left it, I was like, there's no way it was Cole because he would not do that. Like he knows that we're on here for trust. Like, you know, we're really trying to grow. And like, I just don't think he would do that. So I was convinced that it was not Cole. And then when we got to the final, also there were other bonfire clips that had already shown me that we just weren't really going anywhere, that there, you know, I could not trust him. And then when I, then the journal thing, but then at the final bonfire, when he tells me that he did go through my journal, I just like, my soul was crushed in that moment because I had so much faith that it wasn't him. And I really was like, hopeful that we had made strides while being apart and that we were like upholding, you know, all of these things. And so when he said that, I just, in that moment, I was like, I know that if I leave here with him, I'm going back to San Diego in the same relationship that I arrived here in. And for my mental health, like, that wasn't the best decision for me. And so also a piece of the final bonfire that's left out is I say, I respect you and I respect this relationship enough to not make a final decision here. I just want to leave alone and we can figure it all out in San Diego. Of course, that part is not shown and it looks like it's a hard cut. But really like that experience was such a whirlwind. And I just needed time to breathe without diving right back into a relationship that wasn't working.

Speaker 2:
[30:38] So that makes sense. And now though, I'm thinking, if I'm putting myself in your shoes of, gosh, now I'm sure he told you that's the only time he's ever looked through your journal. But now do you question if he's ever looked at it before?

Speaker 6:
[30:55] Of course, I still believe it. He said he never has, he swears he's never looked through it any other times.

Speaker 2:
[31:02] But I mean, he just can't really know unless he, he says he doesn't and it's like you want to take him at his word, but he's already broken that once with this. And like you said, he's lied about other things. Just out of curiosity, the journal that he looked through, was this a journal that you only kept on the island or is a journal that you brought to the island and has other stuff before you left for the island?

Speaker 6:
[31:28] This was just a notebook that I had gotten, I think maybe a few days prior to the island, specifically for the island. I left like my good journal here in San Diego.

Speaker 2:
[31:38] Okay. So it wasn't like your home journal. That's what I was, that's the question I wanted to answer. Okay. So it was everything you had written down basically on the island maybe a couple of days before leaving. Was there anything in there? Did you guys talk about something that he read? Did he ever bring up to you, hey, I read this, I had no idea you felt this way about this or whatever. Did you ever talk about the contents of what he read? Or you were just like, I don't want to talk about the fact that you read my journal. Or what did you see?

Speaker 6:
[32:09] No. Yeah, we've talked about it. And I think basically what he read was, at the end of every day, I recapped every single thing, every single emotion I was feeling. And so I think, you know, he was probably just trying to get any answers he could. And, you know, then of course, he sees me just like questioning everything. And yeah, so that's pretty much where that was.

Speaker 2:
[32:40] So you mentioned that the part that was cut out of the final bonfire was you saying, hey, this is all hit me pretty quickly. I need to get back to San Diego and clear my head. I got to leave solo. So once you once you left the island, you get back to San Diego. Obviously, you guys are living together and you had just told him, I'm leaving solo. I don't, you know, what happens when you get back to San Diego?

Speaker 6:
[33:05] So we got back to San Diego and we were so disconnected. I mean, we just had to take some time apart and he stayed elsewhere for a bit. You know, I was here and after some time we just decided, you know, let's, you know, I think this relationship is worth so much more than just letting it go over things that we're both willing to work towards. And so, you know, there's things on both sides that needed to be worked through. And so we both, you know, started going to therapy and just really started putting our relationship first. And that's kind of like where we're at right now.

Speaker 2:
[33:47] So how long was it that when you got back to San Diego, that he was living, you know, at a friend's house or whatever before you were like, okay, let's let's try this again. And, you know, he moves back in. How long was it?

Speaker 6:
[34:01] I would say it was a month before, you know, we decided to like really put the effort back in.

Speaker 2:
[34:11] And since like, are you doing couples therapy or are you doing private, individual therapy?

Speaker 6:
[34:16] We've been doing individual therapy. I think we want to do couples therapy. I think it'd be a great idea. But I think also like for starters, we need to figure out our own things and then we can do couples therapy and figure out everything together.

Speaker 2:
[34:30] What was like the biggest thing out of this? Obviously, everyone that watches this show, we get an edited television show for nine episodes. Everyone's going to have opinions about everybody's relationship. Everybody's taking heat. I don't think there's one person this season between Summit and Kaylee and Mikey and Sydney and you and Cole and Jack and Cheyenne that haven't gotten some heat from the audience and questions about, well, what about this and you did this and you? What is the biggest misconception you think that the audience has about you and Cole's relationship either pre-show, on the island, post-show now? What do you think the biggest misconception is and what do you want people to know that maybe they didn't understand based on the edited version that came across to us?

Speaker 6:
[35:21] I mean, I think the biggest thing is how much had happened in our relationship and how hurt I had truly been. Like I had given chance after chance after chance after chance. Like I honestly can't tell you how many times. And I just feel like at the very beginning of the season, it's mentioned that there's lies. But then I went in to depth. I told the entire timeline on the show of everything that had happened. And I think if people saw that, they would probably be like, why are you together in the first place? But, you know, it was just I think that was left out. I also think, you know, the last few episodes, you don't see how hard it was for me and how broken I was to like, that's not what I wanted either. But I was just like having to choose like my mental health over, you know, something that wasn't working. And I think that that's like really not portrayed in the season.

Speaker 2:
[36:27] Okay, I'm gonna play devil's advocate here real quick before we wrap this up. You said it was bad for you. The lies weren't accentuated on the show as much as you would have liked them to be. Like how much time and time again you kept giving him opportunities. Well, now seemingly you're giving him another opportunity. So what makes this any different?

Speaker 6:
[36:48] I think this is the first time that I've actually seen work be put in and like day in and day out, you know, like starting to go to therapy and like really dive into like, why is your first instinct to lie or like, why am I want to, you know, I think that that's a huge step. Like a lot of people don't ever want to go to therapy. And so that, you know, I think he started being really intentional around like day to day conversations and just really practicing like that communication that, you know, allows me to feel safe and hopefully one day fully trust him again. And so I think, you know, both of us just being like, hey, we are 100% here. And I think it's really making a difference.

Speaker 2:
[37:30] Where are you at where you trust with him right now?

Speaker 6:
[37:35] We're still working through it. I think it's getting better, like I said, with, you know, the way that we're communicating. But, you know, there have been things since the show too. So we're, oh, no, we're working through it.

Speaker 2:
[37:50] There's been lies since the show.

Speaker 6:
[37:55] There haven't been lies in a few months.

Speaker 2:
[37:58] Okay. So so it was almost like. When when did when did the therapy start? How long after?

Speaker 6:
[38:14] I would say maybe I've been going to therapy since before and after, but he started, I would say, maybe two and a half, three months ago.

Speaker 2:
[38:24] Okay. So basically, I'm just trying to do the math here. He filmed last summer. You get back. He doesn't do therapy. Maybe that's when the lies happened a little bit. But basically, I think what you're saying is ever since he has started therapy, you've really seen a change and the lies have just been like non-existent, essentially.

Speaker 6:
[38:41] Therapy and also just like really practicing that communication. Yeah. I think it's made such a difference. And I think too, like he, you know, we both see like we can't keep doing this. And so I think we're both just very aware of the way that we approach things or how we communicate or things that, you know, the other person might need to know, you know, or thinking before you speak. So the first thing that you say isn't something that's not the truth.

Speaker 2:
[39:09] So you've definitely felt like, okay, things have gotten better and you're in a better place. Would you say this is the best place you've been in your relationship with Cole since?

Speaker 6:
[39:18] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[39:18] In the two years you've been together?

Speaker 6:
[39:20] Yeah, definitely. I think we're on the same page. I think we're both just fully committed and we have the same long-term goals. So I think that that's just what we're working towards and I feel like we're on a good path.

Speaker 2:
[39:35] Well, it's good to hear. I mean, maybe it will surprise people, but it's good to hear because it gets a little bit more of the full story right now of what happened and what wasn't shown to the audience that give us the outcome that we got with you two. So Scarlett, I appreciate you coming on. Thank you for clearing everything up. I'm glad that you and Cole are in a better place right now. You've actually seen the growth from him and it makes a little more sense as to why you guys are trying this out and trying to make it work.

Speaker 6:
[40:06] Yeah, I appreciate you for letting me come on and clear it up. So thanks.

Speaker 2:
[40:10] Thanks, Scarlett. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 6:
[40:12] Bye.

Speaker 2:
[40:13] Bye.

Speaker 4:
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Speaker 2:
[40:36] To leave the show together, it is Summit Wallace and Kaylee Needham. Summit and Kaylee, how are you doing?

Speaker 7:
[40:43] Hi. We're doing really good. How are you?

Speaker 2:
[40:47] Good. I want to start out with this. This is something that ever since I started watching last Friday and I finished it all in one day, and I'm watching Kaylee on screen for nine episodes, and I'm like, I know exactly who she looks like. So I have a notepad in front of me. I've already written down who I think you look like, and I've got to believe that somebody at some point in your life has told you who you look like. Who has it been that you have gotten the most of you look like this actress?

Speaker 7:
[41:16] I've been getting a lot of Lauren Conrad, who I think is in Reality TV.

Speaker 2:
[41:22] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[41:22] But I don't know what actress you're talking about. Maybe Jennifer Aniston. I got that a lot from production during filming.

Speaker 2:
[41:27] You have somebody?

Speaker 5:
[41:28] One that I always say. What's that one?

Speaker 2:
[41:30] I don't know.

Speaker 5:
[41:31] She was in the show. Come on. The one I always say.

Speaker 7:
[41:35] Who?

Speaker 5:
[41:36] You know who I'm talking about. I guarantee he's going to say it.

Speaker 2:
[41:38] I don't know.

Speaker 7:
[41:39] I'm so curious. I don't know a lot of actresses, so I'm always just like, okay, I'll take it.

Speaker 2:
[41:44] I don't even know if you'll even know who my guess is. Do you know who Captain Marvel is? My answer is Brie Larson.

Speaker 7:
[41:53] I've been seeing that.

Speaker 4:
[41:54] I've been getting that a lot.

Speaker 7:
[41:55] I think I need to look up what she looks like.

Speaker 2:
[41:58] It's just spitting image. Every time I saw her, I was like, that's Brie Larson. Anyway.

Speaker 7:
[42:02] Really?

Speaker 3:
[42:03] You have to compliment.

Speaker 2:
[42:04] Yes. No, it is. She's Captain Marvel in the MCU world. She's good. There you go. All right. Let's get to you two from the beginning. Let's start with Kaylee. I want to direct questions at both of you so you don't speak over each other or whatnot. But when you guys were, I guess my first question would be, how were you guys approached? Was one of you contacted first on Instagram? Kaylee, how did it go for you guys getting in touch of, hey, I got this email or got contacted on LinkedIn. Somebody wants us to go on Temptation Island. Explain what happened there.

Speaker 7:
[42:44] Yeah, so I had gotten, I think I got a DM as well as an email from two different casting people, and they had just been like, we're casting for Temptation Island. I think initially they were looking for singles, and Summit and I actually, when I saw the message had been broken up, and I was on a trip with my girlfriends, and we were all joking around being like, oh my God, imagine if you did this. I was like, there's no way I would ever go on Temptation Island as a single. That would just be a bad look. And then Summit and I had gotten back together about a week later, and I think I jokingly brought it up to him, and I was just like, yeah, Temptation Island have reached out, and he was like, no way, that sounds really cool. Maybe we should consider it. And then we sort of took the first few interviews as a joke, and the further along we got into casting calls, we were like, oh my God, is this really happening? Is this real? And then over time, it was just like, all right, we made it this far, and then we just kind of went for it.

Speaker 2:
[43:53] So Summit, would you say that you were the one that was more interested in going on? Were you the one pushing for it?

Speaker 5:
[44:01] Yeah, so she initially came to it with me, came to me with the idea, and I was like, this sounds crazy, I'm just, as you could probably tell from the show, just kind of this person who always says yes in my life. I just thought it was like an amazing opportunity that you wouldn't normally otherwise do. Kaylee and I were in a rocky kind of area, so I thought this was a perfect opportunity for our relationship as well. We have broken up and gone back together. Yeah, I think I was the one who ultimately was like, I think we should do this. I think it'd be good for our relationship, and just an amazing experience. And she was definitely tentative, but I think she could say now that she's glad that I pushed her to do that, just because since the show, we've been in the best place we've ever been in. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[44:53] So what was the biggest thing? Like when you're talking to production, and I'm sure they're asking you questions before you get cast of, what is it you want to get out of this? What are the issues you're having in your relationship? What was the biggest thing that you were telling production? Like, this is our sticking point. This is what we recently had broken up over. What was it, the biggest thing that you said going into the show?

Speaker 5:
[45:14] For me personally, I'll let Kaylee speak on herself. But for me, it was just, I had... Kaylee was only my second serious girlfriend ever. And I was just always scared in my life of like this idea of like just being with one person forever. And that idea just was terrifying to me. And I think that's why this opportunity in particular was really enticing to me, because it was this opportunity where you get to like really test yourself to the most extreme level. And if I could get through that, then I finally would know like, okay, I do actually want to be with this person forever. And I honestly sincerely think that like without this show or something like this, it would have taken me a really, really long time to like get over those commitment issues of just being like, okay, it's okay to like not be single.

Speaker 7:
[46:02] Yeah. And I think those commitment issues were manifesting into our relationship to a point where like, I just wasn't happy with like what he was bringing forward in the relationship. Like, it didn't feel like there was a lot of effort there and he didn't really want to go out of his way to like, do special things with me and like just make me feel like that love. Like he kind of was slacking off as a boyfriend and it came from his fear of commitment. But I think during the casting process, like they all sort of saw that story as like, okay, this is like a recipe for either disaster or like greatness. If they come on the show, they're either going to fall apart and it's going to be really messy or they're going to come out stronger.

Speaker 2:
[46:44] How long were you guys together roughly? Before that breakup, before the show, what was your dating? Is it a year? Was it 18 months? What was it?

Speaker 7:
[46:54] Before the breakup, we had been together for probably like nine months. Then we only broke up for a month and then we were back together for about four months before we started filming. We had only really been together for a year when we went into that experience.

Speaker 2:
[47:10] Had you guys done any, it was even brought up or you did it, any sort of counseling, any sort of couples counseling or therapy pre-show? No.

Speaker 5:
[47:20] No. The island was our therapy.

Speaker 7:
[47:23] Mark Wahlberg calls our therapy.

Speaker 5:
[47:25] Yeah. That's literally how I would treat those bonfires was just with like, I've never been in therapy, but I assume it's something like that. That's just how I would treat it, just being super vulnerable, super open, and not necessarily admitting fault every step of the way, but just being open and accepting to the idea that, okay, everything, I'm not perfect at whatsoever, and just trying to be better every step of the way.

Speaker 2:
[47:56] What was the boundaries that you guys laid out going in to this show? What were the absolute, no way we're doing this, both of us cannot do this or else there's going to be some issues here.

Speaker 5:
[48:09] I feel like we preach this, even on the mountain the very first day, we preach this idea of we didn't have any boundaries. But with that said, we know what boundaries would have been crossed. I don't think we would have recovered from.

Speaker 7:
[48:22] Yeah, we both knew deep down, if he were to do something more physical with a girl, even if that was him touching a girl in a sexual location, I would have not been okay with that. But we didn't explicitly discuss that. But I think we did have a lot of conversations of like, well, how close are we going to get with the girls and the guys in the house? What makes each other comfortable? There was a lot of back and forth where I thought we could just go there and not talk to the guys at all and just like breeze through. And Summit would tell me like, no, we're going to have to like become friends with them, like if we do this experience right. And so that was something where I was like grappling with like even the first few days when we were on the islands, like I didn't want to talk to the guys whatsoever. Like, and it was clear that Summit was like making some really good girlfriends over there. And I was like, oh my God, like this feels like we're crossing boundaries already. But now looking back, once you go through that whole experience, you realize like that is part of it, is becoming close with those people and learning from them and learning through that whole experience.

Speaker 5:
[49:28] So and I think it's there's something to be said with the idea that we did really want to go in just kind of following our hearts. And if we really either one of us really did make a connection that that was that impactful to us, like we would have followed our heart. But I think saying that going in, it almost like made it more real for us. And I think some of the other couples maybe drew too rigid of lines. And because they drew too rigid of lines, then it was like, oh no, we stepped over that tiny bit. It's all over and it just exploded. Whereas we, I don't know, maybe had more grace with one another because we're more realistic and just more like trusting in our love.

Speaker 2:
[50:14] Well, I've spoken to a few of the singles on both sides and it kind of lined up with what you said. I mean, there, the guy's impression of you, Kaylee, was you were a tough one to crack and it didn't seem like anyone was going to get anywhere with you on a physical side. Summit, they didn't say that you were going to crack, but they did say, hey, Summit was super fun. And there was, like, I don't think they ever said they thought you were ever going to cross the line. But if there was somebody outside of Jack, they said you would have been next in line. But it didn't happen, obviously. And obviously, that's a good thing. You guys set the boundaries that you did. And I didn't think anything, the boundaries were crossed there. But when the bonfire started for you, Kaylee, and you started seeing anything in regards to Summit, were you extremely bothered by what you saw? Were you super, you were like, oh, no, this is good. I am seeing some growth here. How were the bonfires for you?

Speaker 7:
[51:22] I think the bonfires were really frustrating, because all I would say every day was, I just want to see that Summit's reflecting, and he's realizing things and doing that self-work. Then every bonfire I would see, of course, production would show me the exact opposite. Even though he was doing a lot of that, they just wouldn't show it to me, and I would get more and more frustrated every single time, because I'd be like, can you guys just give me a sign that me and him might have a chance of getting out of here together? Because honestly, towards the end, I felt hopeless. I was like, I don't even know what's going to happen. I have no idea who I'm going to see at this final bonfire when I see Summit. They really keep you in the dark, and you really start to question everything. My bonfires, I never sat there and was like, oh my God, he's going to cheat on me. I know what my man looks like when he's in love, and I could tell he was not in love with any of those girls, and even falling for them, he was just being nice, like he does, like he's just overly friendly, and he doesn't always tell people like, hey, back off, like he's just a little too nice, and that was like all I saw. I was like, oh, it's just Summit, like literally being Summit, like of course I crashed out a few times, like the first bonfire was him like twirling a girl around and going on the slip and slide, and meanwhile in my house, like I wasn't even letting guys like put their arms around me behind the couch. We were just on different wavelengths at the beginning, and I think over time, I got more comfortable with the guys and it balanced out to the point where it was just like, okay, I guess this is just what this experience is, and we just have to be okay with that.

Speaker 2:
[53:07] Summit, when you were seeing clips, were you seeing the stuff that you wanted to see, the stuff that you wanted to see from Kaylee going into this? Knowing that you're only going to see certain clips that production wanted to show you, but when you were first seeing her clips, what was going through your head?

Speaker 5:
[53:27] You know, it's weird because when you watch the show back, you see both sides of everything, and so you have a totally different perspective and outlook on her experience in the show in its entirety. But when you're in that moment and you're only living one side, one truth, it's just really easy to get wrapped up in everything. So yeah, when I would see Kaylee's bonfires, I think production, to a certain extent, basically shows the things that are going to be the most triggering to you. Obviously, they showed the bonfire clip of her being like, I don't know if this will be the father of my children. And anyone who watched the show knows I grew up with a single mom. Obviously, that was going to be triggering. Yeah, everything I saw, none of it made me happy. I think it was just a lot of like, I felt like I was getting talked down on a lot of the time, and it just manifested into this thing of like, I just want someone to appreciate me for me. So yeah, none of the bonfires made me feel happy, but I would say one of the very final bonfires was where it clicked for me, and they gave me some hope because one of the final bonfires, I don't even think it made the show. But there's a clip of Kaylee and she said, I just want Summit to hang out with me and love me, and just emphasize hanging out with me. And that was one of the clicking moments for me, I was like, I do want to hang out with Kaylee, I do want to do everything with me. It sounds so silly, but like...

Speaker 7:
[54:52] They strip you of everything, that's the thing. It's like you really start to lose all of your hope because you just don't even know what that person feels anymore.

Speaker 2:
[55:02] Yeah. Well, Kaylee, I was going to ask you, as both of you, but I'll start with you, Kaylee. What was the most difficult aspect of this? Was it not knowing if Summit was possibly connecting with one of the singles? Was it just being away from each other? What was the hardest part about the process in regards to your relationship with Summit?

Speaker 7:
[55:25] That's a good question. I don't think there was ever a day where I sat there being like, oh, he's totally falling for this girl. My mind never went there. I think the hardest part was being apart and just not being able to communicate and not knowing where his head was at. Because as much as I never thought he was going to connect with someone else, I still was like, well, what if he has just realized that he doesn't want to be with me anymore? And that was like my biggest fear, you know, was getting to that final bonfire. And he's just like, you know what? Like, I may not have found a connection here, but I also don't want to continue pursuing things with you. Like, that was my biggest fear because, like, I throughout that process, all that I realized was how much more I loved him. And it was like a weird thing where I would be sitting there and I'd be, you know, talking about, like, a lot of the biggest hurdles that we've had in our relationship. But my takeaway still, at the end of every conversation, was like, I just love Summit and I just, I realized, like, I love him more and more every single day I'm here. Like, the longer I'm apart from him, my love for him grew, which felt like a weird thing to experience, like, in an island where literally every other relationship around me felt like it was, like, crashing and burning. And these people were, like, moving on and, like, finding new love. I was still sitting there, like, yearning for the love that was in that other villa. Like, it was a unique experience, and it was also just, it felt very, like, lonely because a lot of the other girls were exploring new connections, whereas, like, I was just kind of like, okay, I have, like, my couple of guy friends here, but, like, I just want my man and he's not here. And it just felt very, like, I was kind of just alone. And that was hard. I mean, production's not always the nicest to you when you're just sitting there being like, I just want my boyfriend. They're like, we want you to go hook up with someone. Sorry, we don't really care.

Speaker 2:
[57:22] And Summit, for you, like, what was, what was the most difficult part for you?

Speaker 5:
[57:28] Gosh, yeah, I think I've just, like, gone through, you know, I've done a lot of, like, physically strenuous things in my life, but I don't know if I've ever, like, challenged myself mentally that much. And I do like to just challenge myself, whether it's even, like, getting a cold plunge, like, whatever it is, I like to push myself and challenge myself. But that was maybe the most, like, emotionally draining thing I've ever done in my life. Like I said, I've never been in therapy. It felt like I was in, like, boot camp therapy slash relationship therapy for a month straight and it was like, wow, you're trying to be tempted and people are pushing you to do things and there's no friends, no family. I'm really close with my family, really close with my friends. Just having no, like, no one to lean on, no support, no one to, like, really talk to. And obviously it got really tight with the other guys in the villa and the girls and that's part of the experience. But it was just different, the emotional and physical drain. And, you know, a big outlet for me is, like, being able to go, like, hike a mountain or go swim in the ocean. And there just wasn't a lot of that. Like, I felt very trapped. I felt like an animal in a cage basically for a month.

Speaker 2:
[58:41] You know, Kaylee, you had mentioned in the beginning about, you know, the commitment issues. And you were just like, I just wasn't getting what I wanted from Summit. And, you know, Summit, you said you only had one serious relationship before Kaylee. Like, was there a part of you, I guess, Kaylee, that was, he kind of said it. And it was, hey, what if he at the end of this, not necessarily he's going to fall and go hook up with somebody and fall madly in love with one of the single women, but maybe he just realizes, I, this was kind of fun. I enjoyed being single for three weeks, and I think I want to carry this out in the real world. Was that a real concern of yours?

Speaker 7:
[59:17] Definitely. That was a huge concern. And I said in like, my final bonfire, like, if you're not ready to put in that work and give me all the love that I know I deserve, I'm willing to walk away. And I was fully prepared to walk away and leave alone if I didn't see that change. Because I think through this process, I realized like you don't need to be with someone where you feel like you have to like beg for the bare minimum. Like you don't deserve that. You deserve to be with someone that wants to give you everything. And then I heard him speak and he was ready to give me all of that.

Speaker 2:
[59:56] And Summit, as for you, as a guy who hasn't had a lot of relationships, when you were out there on the island and experiencing quote unquote single life, even though you weren't hooking up with anybody, were you like, man, maybe this is what I want? Did it cross your mind to be like, maybe when I get back, I just want to try being single for a little bit again?

Speaker 5:
[60:20] Yeah. I mean, those were a lot of the serious conversations I had with Mark and even production behind the scene is just, there's this one moment in the show where I go, I want to do this on my own or do this on my own, and Mark goes, well, then maybe you're just not ready to be in a relationship, and I go, oh, shit, audibly go, oh, shit. In the middle, there was those times where I'm like, maybe I'm just not ready to be in a committed relationship, and the island shows you the best things being single has to offer. So there were moments where you're like, shit, I'm just not ready for this, and I went through this total metamorphosis and evolution, whereby the end, all I wanted to do was be with Kaylee, and like she said, my love for her just grew so much, and that's all I ended up wanting. But yeah, there were moments where I was like, I'm not ready to be in a relationship.

Speaker 2:
[61:21] I want to fast forward a little bit to the final bonfire. I think one of the funniest things was, Kaylee, I think within a few minutes of that final bonfire starting, you sit there and you look at Summit, you look at Mark, and you're like, something in effect, I'm paraphrasing here, what did you do to Summit? What was it that you saw sitting there next to him at that final bonfire that made you, I guess, see some sort of change? What did you see in that moment that made you say that?

Speaker 7:
[61:48] Yeah, I don't know if they really showed in-depth how much he grew from this experience in that final bonfire, because he had given me this beautiful speech of redefining what it means to be a man in his own thoughts and redefining his version of commitment. He sat there and basically said, like, I want to do everything with you. I want to be committed to you for life. Like, it's me and you against the world. And he also just redefines what it means to be a man and that he can lean on me when he needs me and I can lean on him. And we can have just this healthy, beautiful relationship. And he basically said everything I always wanted to hear him say, but never thought I would. And they cut a lot of that out. And I don't really know why. I think maybe they wanted people to be confused why I was able to just take him back so quickly. So they cut out a lot of really beautiful things that he said. But with that said, all those things he said were exactly what I needed to hear. And I had never heard a lot of that before. So I was like, who is this man? And since leaving the islands, our relationship really has completely changed for the better. Like we don't have issues where I'm like, can we hang out? And he's like, I don't want to. Everything now is so good and so amazing. And what I said there is like, who is this man? I still am like, who is this man? He really changed. And I can thank Temptation Island for that somehow.

Speaker 2:
[63:26] Yeah, I mean, us as a viewer, even though we only got nine hours of this show, I saw it. There were times at Bonfire where I thought you, Summit, were engaging with Mark more so than the other three guys in terms of like wanting to be better and trying to understand what Mark was, the message he was trying to get to you. Because sometimes I think, you know, I've watched every season, all five on USA, both on Netflix. I've studied this show and I love watching and I love having Mark on every year. And then just like, I felt like you really engaged with him more so than almost any contestant that I honestly can remember. I felt like you were asking questions versus just getting defensive if Mark gives you a suggestion, which I think a lot of guys do in that situation. They get defensive and he even said it on my podcast. He's like, no, no, no, I'm not going to. Most guys would come at me for saying this. And Summit was like, no, I won't understand. And I felt like, and obviously a lot was cut out like you said of the final bonfire. But I felt Summit that I saw the most growth from you of the four men this season.

Speaker 5:
[64:32] Thank you. I'm glad that I was able to be expressed to the audience because like I said, I just felt like what is the point of doing this whole process, putting your entire life on pause and jeopardizing your relationship with someone you love unless you're going to get the absolute most out of it. Like I don't really do anything in my life unless it's not to the fullest extent. And so I just took every single one of those moments as like a learning experience and being very vulnerable. And as a man, something I really learned, sorry. And something, and as a man, something I really learned is just the ability to like drop the ego. And that can be really hard for a guy. And I was just able to do those in those moments and I'm really glad I was because that's why I was able to grow as much as I did. And yeah, Mark, I mean, would literally mess with me a lot. I would ask him so many questions that a lot of that got cut out. But I'm able, I'm glad that we were able to see at least a little bit of that because everything he would say, I'd be like, okay, well, what about this situation? And I mean, I just used him to his absolute full of sustent because I do think Mark is awesome. And he obviously knows what he's been doing. He's been doing it for a long time. And what was the point of going there if I wasn't gonna learn from him?

Speaker 2:
[65:53] You know, you, Kaylee, you had said your relationship is in the best place it's ever been, you know, since the island. And, you know, we saw, actually, I want to back up real quick. Going into Final Bonfire, it sounds like you were undecided and it was going to be, Summit's going to have to show me something here at this Final Bonfire or I'm leaving solo. We knew you weren't going to ever leave with anybody else. But is that correct in assuming that if you didn't hear what you needed to hear from Summit, that you were going to leave solo?

Speaker 7:
[66:26] Yeah, and I felt like the second I saw him, I would know. And then when I saw him, I was like, oh my God, like, I can't even tell, like, what he's about to say. Like, I hugged him and I was like, I missed you, like, to see what he would say back. And then I didn't hear it back. He says he said it back. Did you?

Speaker 5:
[66:43] I did, yeah.

Speaker 7:
[66:44] But I was like, oh shit, like, this man might actually be leaving me. So you can see me sitting there, like, when I was speaking, I was like shaking. And I'm like, I'm like about, are we about to break up, like, on national television? Like, it was freaking me out. And you can see, like, the anxiety in my face and my mannerisms. Like, I'm just sitting there like, oh my God, like, what's happening? Like, fidgeting with my hair, like, not knowing what to do. And then the second he started actually speaking, I was like, oh my God, I felt like so at ease because I just knew, like, right when I heard him talk.

Speaker 2:
[67:20] And Summit, you are, you know, at that point, I knew you weren't going to be leaving with anybody. You know, Julianne was the one you had the most connection with, but nobody ever thought that you were going to be saying, I want to leave with her. It was going to be probably either I'm leaving solo or I'm leaving with Kaylee. Obviously, you had everything pre-planned that you definitely going into that final bonfire where I'm going to tell her I want to leave with her. It's just, you know, you don't know from her side what she's going to be saying. But that was your thought process going in. You were definitely leaving with her.

Speaker 5:
[67:52] Yeah, you know, right before the bonfire, not even right before, a few days before that final bonfire, I had decided like, this is my person. Like, if there's anything this island has taught me, it's like I want to be the best version of myself for Kaylee and that we can grow together and have an amazing future together. So going into the final bonfire, yeah, like I knew I wanted to just pour my heart out, tell her how much I've grown, because I had assumed she hadn't seen how much I've grown. They're not going to show her that. So I just needed to show her like how much I've grown. With that said, you know, there was moments in the middle of the process where I wasn't sure, you know, I wasn't sure if I want to still be single. I didn't like the way she was talking about me. I just wasn't sure if we were going to mesh. And then it all clicked before that final bonfire. I was like, I'm leaving with this girl whether she wants to or not.

Speaker 2:
[68:41] So at the final bonfire, one of the things was obviously you left together.

Speaker 7:
[68:46] I just realized you said that.

Speaker 2:
[68:49] The final bonfire, you obviously leave together. But the one thing that you also said and you gave her the dog tag, right? What was that dog?

Speaker 5:
[68:58] Dog collar.

Speaker 2:
[69:01] And a house key. So update us now on where you're at with that. I'm assuming you guys moved in together. Did you guys get a dog?

Speaker 5:
[69:09] Okay. Are you ready? No, I wish. No, we haven't gotten the dog moved in together. But I mean, I'll let you say this, but that is not for a lack of my commitment or anything like that. Like I would move in with this girl tomorrow. We want to get the dog tomorrow. It's just the realities of life and everything's been insane with the show. Yeah. We want all of that.

Speaker 7:
[69:32] No, it's definitely coming soon. It was hard because we both got back from the island. I had to find a new job. He had to get back into work and there was just not a time and place where we were going to be ready to move into an apartment. We want to move to a whole other state. We didn't want to just up and leave our careers until we figured out everything post show and then maybe we'll up and move the state now.

Speaker 5:
[69:59] Yeah, and I think what matters about the dog and moving in together is we are synchronized and parallel in our beliefs in that and we both want that. It's just a matter of the correct time, which is hopefully as soon as possible.

Speaker 2:
[70:15] You guys are based in New York right now, right?

Speaker 5:
[70:17] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[70:18] Where do you guys want to move to?

Speaker 5:
[70:20] California. Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[70:21] So we're exploring, we're actually out in California right now for three weeks, and we're looking at some spots, we're exploring like different areas to figure out where we want to live. And then we'll probably move by the end of the summer.

Speaker 5:
[70:36] End of the summer at the latest. Yeah. And then we already have, it's funny from the show, we have like dog breeders and stuff reaching out to us. So we're very excited for it all. It's just, we don't want to do anything just to do it. We want to, you know, do it with purpose and intent.

Speaker 7:
[70:54] I know some people are going to be disappointed, but I hope they can realize like we didn't want to rush into this just to make it look like this fantasy. Like this is our real lives. And like, we need to take it one step at a time and like make sure we're doing everything at our own speed.

Speaker 5:
[71:09] And we want to give Nugget, who's going to the name of the dog. This also didn't make the show, but we have like these chicken nugget parties where it's, I mean, it's just her and I, then we hang out and eat chicken nuggets and watch shows and stuff. But we, anyway, so we want to get like a tan dog, I think a tan wiener dog and his name will be Nugget. And we want to give Nugget the best life ever. And, you know, it's, we need to be living together to do that.

Speaker 2:
[71:35] Yeah. And I think it's a lot tougher. I mean, look, people in New York City have dogs. But if you move to Southern California, I don't know, it's just, look, I grew up in Southern California. So my question now is, are you looking at LA, San Diego, Orange County?

Speaker 5:
[71:49] I love San Diego. I'm a big surfer, skier. And the fact that I could literally do both of those in a day is like absolute dream for me.

Speaker 7:
[72:00] I like San Diego. I vote San Diego.

Speaker 5:
[72:03] No, she just is also more open to like LA or other areas, whereas I'm like San Diego all the way.

Speaker 7:
[72:09] But yeah, I mean, I've been preaching San Diego, Dan, since the day we met, because my brothers lived out here. But I do see like there's other towns that I think we need to explore and make sure that we are both like set on San Diego before we commit.

Speaker 2:
[72:24] Then with San Diego, you also have Scarlett and Cole that you guys can double date with. That's got to play a role, right?

Speaker 7:
[72:30] Exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[72:31] Well, are they together? I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[72:36] This is coming out after the reunion.

Speaker 5:
[72:37] Where do you think we're staying? Yeah, we're staying with them.

Speaker 2:
[72:40] Yeah. Okay. Well, there you go. No, but yeah, I mean, that's, look, I've been down to San Diego numerous times when I grew up in Orange County, so I'm very familiar with San Diego. Sister went to college in San Diego. Plus, if you're a surfer guy, LA wouldn't be the place for you because you would have to drive down to, I mean, yeah, you can go to Santa Monica or whatever, but.

Speaker 5:
[73:07] Yeah. Selfishly, I want San Diego, but as I've learned from the show and everything, life and relationships are about compromise, so we're working it out.

Speaker 2:
[73:15] Then what about work wise for you two? I know you said you guys, obviously, if you move place, you find new jobs or whatever. What line of work are you guys both in?

Speaker 5:
[73:24] I actually work in production, ironically enough. I was a town coordinator, so I'd book me and greet town at certain events throughout New York City, and then you.

Speaker 7:
[73:35] I've worked in fashion in New York City for the past three years, but I did just leave my job.

Speaker 5:
[73:41] I left my job as well. We're floating right now. It's very exciting. We're in this time in our lives. We're just open to new experiences and what life has to offer. Hopefully, a lot of cool opportunities come from being on this show. We're seeing what life has to offer right now, almost like this in-between transition stage of our lives.

Speaker 7:
[74:04] We just want to be able to travel and live our lives for the next few months, because I think we'll look back on this time in our life, and I don't want to be like, oh, wow, I wish I wasn't tied down in New York to my nine to five when I could have been exploring the world and doing all the opportunities that were presented to me.

Speaker 2:
[74:23] Yeah, and just living rent-free with Scarlett and Cole. Say there's not some money for the next three weeks.

Speaker 5:
[74:28] We're actually...

Speaker 7:
[74:29] Let me just show you.

Speaker 2:
[74:29] Are they charging you? Are they charging you?

Speaker 5:
[74:31] We're living in their shed. This is their shed, and we're living in the shed. Oh, wow.

Speaker 7:
[74:39] No, we're not actually living in here. But yeah, we're going to have to find our own place at some point.

Speaker 2:
[74:46] Yeah. I mean, I'm assuming, Kaylee, was Scarlett the closest... I know you're close, I'm assuming, with all three, with Sydney and Cheyenne and Scarlett. But was Scarlett the one you're, I would say, closest to?

Speaker 7:
[74:58] I think during our time on the island, everyone brought something forward in the relationships that I built there. I didn't feel like I was closer with one girl or another, honestly, because there was days where I needed Sydney to come into my room when I was crying and hype me the fuck up. Then there was days where I needed Scarlett to lean on because I felt like both of us, we weren't exploring anything physically, so that's how we could relate on the level of we were just there making friendships with the guys. But then there was also moments where Cheyenne was my rock. So I can't say that I have one girl that was my favorite over the other. They were all amazing to me in their own ways.

Speaker 2:
[75:39] Summit, for you, who are you closest to of the guys?

Speaker 5:
[75:42] I think something that's really cool about a show like this is you meet a lot of people that you probably wouldn't have otherwise met in your normal life. Someone like Cole who's super into fitness and lives in San Diego and surfs, that's probably someone I would have naturally gravitated towards in the real world. But the show gave me the opportunity to get so close with Mikey and Jack, and even all those girls from all walks of life, that I probably wouldn't have otherwise gotten to know really well. It just opened my eyes and expanded my horizons, and I've always been super open accepting person, but this show even more so, and that was really cool. So maybe Cole is just someone I would have gravitated in the real world more so, but with that said, I'm just as tight with the other two because of the show.

Speaker 7:
[76:34] What's really cool about us is that we've been able to become friends with each other's tempters and temptresses, and we're just chill about it.

Speaker 5:
[76:43] Well, yeah. There was obviously watching back the show, there's moments where I was like, oh, what the fuck, and she would feel the same way. But ultimately, we didn't build those super deep emotional or physical connections with the opposite sex. And so we are in a cool position where I'm cool with her guys, she's cool with my girls, and we just want to love everyone.

Speaker 2:
[77:07] I was going to say, for you, Summit, it was Julie Ann, that was the one you spent the most time with.

Speaker 5:
[77:12] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[77:12] Kaylee, did you really have one guy, really?

Speaker 7:
[77:19] I had three guys that were actually like my best friends. What?

Speaker 5:
[77:22] No, I was just making a joke because you said I had three guys.

Speaker 7:
[77:26] I had like similar to how Mikey had his trace amigas, I had my own. They just didn't show our friendship, but I was really close with Pete, Chris, and Zach. And like every time I would come back from a bonfire, it'd be the four of us sitting there, me debriefing to them, like every morning we'd be hanging out by the pool, like they were my rocks throughout that entire experience. I hardly talked to any of the other guys once I got close with them.

Speaker 2:
[77:51] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[77:51] But they really didn't showcase that. I don't know if they wanted me to look like this sad girl that had no friends and was just alone the whole time. But I was with my friends and I had a lot of moments where I was actually enjoying myself, and they just didn't really show that.

Speaker 2:
[78:07] Well, I can't believe I blanked on this. I interviewed Chris two days ago. Yeah. We talked about you, and yeah, he had nothing but positive things to say about you, and how much time you guys did spend together, and he goes, she was great, and obviously I'm happy for her and happy for Summit. I think as fans and watching this show, it gets a bad rap because it's just like, what fucking couple of the crossroads of their relationship is going to use this as a reason to determine whether or not they need to stay together or break up. It's just like, why not just talk things out, go to therapy, communicate better versus putting yourself in a situation where you're going to be tempted. Yet, like I said, it gets a bad rap, but ultimately shit, it worked out for you guys. So it does work out sometimes. There aren't over seven seasons, there aren't a ton of success stories coming from this show. So I think people are rooting you on, you guys got out of it, what you put into it. And I know that a lot of people are behind you because of what I've read on social media, because I just feel like you guys were, while people do want to tune in for the drama and they want to see the hookups, and we love the messiness of Jack and Cheyenne, it is stories like yours that are just like, okay, this is actually the root of the show and what people ultimately do like. They want to see their messiness, they want to see their drama, they want to see the black light in the room and two people going at it. But ultimately, what you guys came out of it with is positive and what I think people want to see and they like.

Speaker 5:
[79:49] Yeah, I feel like it would kind of defeat the purpose of the show if like every single couple didn't make it out. That would just be sad and feel hopeless. So I'm glad we're like a little shining light in all of this.

Speaker 2:
[80:04] And I think with those seven seasons, like I said, I haven't done the math and I don't remember every season. But of the four couples, the eight of you involved in the four couples, only three quote unquote cheated, Jack, Cheyenne and Sydney. And I think off the top of my head, I think that was the fewest that we've ever seen in the history of this show. I don't think there's ever been less than three. I could be wrong. Like I said, there's seven seasons. I watched them all, but then you forget them once the next season starts. But three seems very, very low. And I don't even think anybody looks at Sydney as like, oh my God, she did Mikey wrong. Everybody thinks Sydney and Xavier are a couple that almost was like, this is the couple that came onto the show. They really do seem-

Speaker 7:
[80:52] Yeah, I think they get more love than us sometimes. And I'm like, hello, give us some credit.

Speaker 2:
[80:57] Yeah, I mean, you guys-

Speaker 7:
[80:58] The Temptation.

Speaker 2:
[80:59] Exactly. You guys didn't give in to Temptation. You got the answers that you went to the island for. I'm cheering for you guys. I thought it was a great story. I love the fact that you guys came out of that better. And like you said, you're at the best part of your relationship it's ever been since you guys have been together. So that's great to hear. So you guys, thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate it. Congratulations to you two. Keep us updated on your socials of when you get Nugget, what type of dog it is. Obviously probably not to like you said, to the end of summer, you got to move in first before you get a dog. I'm assuming you're going to do that first.

Speaker 5:
[81:34] Yeah. Right.

Speaker 2:
[81:34] But yeah, definitely keep us updated on your socials because I know a lot of us will be following along and rooting for you guys and hoping for the best of success.

Speaker 7:
[81:43] Yeah, we will be keeping everything updated on the socials for everyone.

Speaker 2:
[81:47] Perfect.

Speaker 7:
[81:48] All along.

Speaker 2:
[81:49] Thank you guys so much. I really appreciate it and good luck to you too.

Speaker 5:
[81:52] Thank you so much.

Speaker 2:
[81:53] You got it man. Thank you so much to Scarlett for coming on and then Summit and Kaylee. Really enjoyed talking to them and Summit and Kaylee, I just think so much growth, especially Summit this season. I mean, Kaylee as well. I'm rooting for them as a couple. I usually don't have rooting interests. I don't really care. I'm indifferent. I mean, if Summit and Kaylee break up, I'll be disappointed. I'm not going to be brought to tears, but my gosh, it's like a couple you really want to root for. Just listening to them, they seem to have their shit together and they seem to know what they want. They're moving to Southern California. Obviously, it sounds like the San Diego area. Plan on getting a dog. I really hope that they can work through things and stick this out, and things go well for them. Obviously, Scarlett and Cole are together. They seem happy back together. I never want to promote Nick Vial's podcast, but if you want to go listen to the Reunion Show, part one will air tomorrow. Part one only focused... He asked for a couple's update on all four couples, and they told you... Two of them are together, Scarlett and Cole, and Summit and Kaylee. Mikey and Sydney are not together, and Jack and Cheyenne say they're not together. And then when Nick started talking to everybody, they only got through two couples in part one, and that was Summit and Kaylee, and Sydney and Mikey. So Friday, you'll hear more from Scarlett and Cole, and you'll hear more from Jack and Cheyenne. But I'm telling you right now, that Carter interview is going to drop before you hear Jack and Cheyenne on part two of the Temptation Island podcast on the Vial Files. So you're going to have conflicting stories. Let's just say that. Thanks again to the women and men Scarlett, Summit, Kaylee for coming on today. Really appreciate it. I'll keep you updated on my socials on when you're going to get the Xavier Chris interview and also the Carter Bradley interview. So those are coming. One of them is probably coming before the other one, unless I just drop both of them tomorrow. I'll let you know. Anyway, thank you all for listening. Really appreciate it. Follow me on Apple Podcasts. Also rate and review, but you got to hit play. As I said, daily roundup was posted a couple of hours ago, sports daily an hour ago. Anyway, thanks again for listening. Appreciate it. And I'll talk to you tomorrow.