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Speaker 1:
[00:00] Thrivent believes money is more than numbers. It's a way to care for the people, causes, and community love. That's why Thrivent brings together a unique combination of financial services and generosity programs, offering advice, investments, and insurance to help you plan your finances while creating opportunities to give back along the way. Through generosity programs that offer resources to fund service projects or direct charitable funds, Thrivent makes it easier to turn your values into action and support what matters most to you. With more than 120 years of experience and as a Fortune 500 company, Thrivent continues to serve individuals, family, and communities across the country. To learn more, visit thrivent.com. Thrivent, where money means more. Welcome to The Mina Kimes Show featuring Lenny, featuring Domonique Foxworth, featuring Kevin Clark.
Speaker 2:
[00:49] Don't forget about Jack.
Speaker 1:
[00:53] Only NFL podcast. One of the hosts thinks best player available is anyone who's willing to play fetch with him. That's Lenny. He's not here. I'm so sorry. I know. I guess Kevin.
Speaker 3:
[01:04] Did you think about bringing Lenny?
Speaker 1:
[01:06] No, not for a second. But now I am. We're doing something super fun today in advance, of course, of the NFL draft. It's, I guess, a little bit obvious judging by what we've got on stage. But we are doing a draft. This is going to be our final mock draft of the season. Real quick now, we're doing it all here live. We're on YouTube, but the audio audience, we're going to do the first 10 picks at The Mina Kimes Show. For the next 10 picks or so, go to Domonique Foxworth Podcast. Then for the final 10 picks, go to Kevin Clark. I realize there's 32 picks, so I don't know how it's going to add up right now.
Speaker 3:
[01:42] I like this deal.
Speaker 2:
[01:43] We'll give Kevin a couple bonus picks. This is great.
Speaker 3:
[01:45] Amen.
Speaker 1:
[01:47] So we have not discussed this beforehand, so we have no idea. Somebody could go completely rogue here and throw off everyone's boards.
Speaker 2:
[01:56] We have the first pick. You have the first pick, so you could really turn this.
Speaker 1:
[02:01] The first pick of the NFL draft, the Pittsburgh Steelers trade up. No, I'm just kidding. I'm not doing that. You all want them to. We will get there. So this is going to be also what we would do as opposed to what we think is going to happen. So this is not us predicting the draft. It is a mock draft of Desire. So I will-
Speaker 3:
[02:23] What?
Speaker 2:
[02:24] This is a lot sexier than I think it was.
Speaker 3:
[02:27] I don't think Foxworth and I got that note.
Speaker 2:
[02:30] A mock draft of Desire. That sounds like a really low selling romance novel.
Speaker 1:
[02:34] I was going to say, it sounds like a Hallmark movie. Dear my love in the mock draft of Desire. So I have the first pick. Domonique has the second pick, Kevin has the third, and then we're just going to repeat that. It's not going to be a snake. I am the Las Vegas Raiders, and with the first pick of The Mina Kimes Show featuring Domonique Foxworth, featuring Kevin Clark, mock draft. I'm just going to take Fernando Mendoza.
Speaker 3:
[03:08] I forgot we have the chime. I paid a lot of money for that noise.
Speaker 1:
[03:13] Don't sue us. So is there anyone here who's been watching? I do these war room mock drafts and thank you very much. I see you. I've been trying to get, I guess, a choice, right? Because you all know for every draft, I do a choice between two things. It's been hard with Mendoza because as we all know, this is a one quarterback. We'll see if another one comes up in our first round draft. The Raiders have made it very clear. They're going to take Fernando Mendoza. There's no mystery. The choice I have been giving them guys, and I want to hear your thoughts on this because I do think this is the only way to make it interesting is, start with you, Domonique, if you were John Spytek, the GM of the Raiders in Arizona, picking at three, called you and said, we're going to give you pick three so you're barely falling and you're going to get a boatload of picks, our first next year, first after that. Would you do it knowing all of the buzz around next year's draft when it comes to quarterbacks?
Speaker 2:
[04:14] I wouldn't do it. I think that it's a thing called getting too cute. You have the number one pick right now. It's not a fun experience where you have to be really bad to get that pick. You have it now. I'm not sure that you want to get in a situation where you're rolling a dice to try to get it later. I think one of the few things that could make a team look really bad in this situation is if you trade out of one of these special quarterbacks. It's hard to tell who those quarterbacks are. We get it wrong all the time. For whatever reason, you're at the top of the draft right now in a one quarterback draft. Of course, I would entertain whatever trades they offered, but I think more than likely, you stick with Fernando Mendoza.
Speaker 3:
[04:55] I would do it. I would trade.
Speaker 2:
[04:57] You would take the trade?
Speaker 3:
[04:58] Yeah, I would take the trade.
Speaker 1:
[04:59] Wow. Really? Nobody's taking it. Daniel Jeremiah said no, Todd McShay said no, but Kevin Clark is taking it.
Speaker 3:
[05:05] Well, a couple of things about it. If you were to stack up the last five years of quarterback prospects, Mendoza wouldn't be that high. Daniel Jeremiah has talked about this a lot, where he'd definitely be behind the Drake, May, Jaden, Daniels, Caleb Williams block there. He'd probably be behind Cam Ward. He's more in line according to this guys who watched the Tate more with the bonuses of the world. I just think because of the supply and demand, he goes first overall, that's just how the league works. But I would roll it over a year. You signed guys, you have Kirk Cousins, or you can get 22-year-old Kirk Cousins with the first overall pick. It's fine. But I think that there's a better team-building avenue towards getting the Cardinals' place. Let the Cardinals be the geniuses here.
Speaker 1:
[05:52] I'm so excited for Fernando Mendoza and Kirk Cousins to be in a room together in Vegas. Do you think they've already connected on LinkedIn or they're going to wait till they meet?
Speaker 3:
[06:03] What are they going to go to the buffet at the Excalibur? Or what themed Vegas restaurant are they going to be all into?
Speaker 2:
[06:11] I feel like they're giving me Paris.
Speaker 3:
[06:16] I feel like I could see the sky at the roof.
Speaker 2:
[06:19] I got Mendoza in a beret with a baguette walking around the inside of Paris having a little wine.
Speaker 1:
[06:28] I would take Mendoza. I took Mendoza. I am higher on him than I think sounds like you, but I understand that's a lot to give up. We don't think the Cardinals are going to be very good, so it's going to be good draft pick next year, but I would stick and pick. Just the next year scares me at this point. Next year is going to be better. How many times have you heard that? All right. That's enough on pick one. It's not that interesting. Domonique, you have picked two, the Jets.
Speaker 2:
[06:55] Now the draft really starts. I think there's a lot of options for the Jets right now. They're also in a rebuild mode. Obviously, there's not a quarterback available right now because that would be the obvious decision that they would make. You would want to get a left tackle premier position, but all of you guys are here, so I know that you know all the stories about how this is not a draft for players from high value positions. Now, we're looking at how are we going to change our team. I think the obvious choice is down to Bailey and Reese. Bailey obviously is a much more polished edge rusher, not great against the run from Texas Tech. And then you got Arvel Reese, who seems... The comparison has been made when you're comparing them. It's one, Bailey feels like he's being sold as a more finished product, and Reese feels like more of a project. And I think we drop these players into these like familiar kind of archetypes, but don't actually feel all that true to me in this situation. When you watch Bailey play, of course, you see the speed off the line, the spin move, the great pass versus move. You see some inefficiencies, I guess I'd say, in the run game. Then you watch Reese play, and you see him throwing people around, no matter how big he is. You see him out running people. You see him moving like a top tier off ball linebacker and moving 320 pound offensive linemen as if they were his size or smaller. So I think you can tell that I'm really close to making a decision that goes against what everyone is saying for the Jets. But my pick is in.
Speaker 3:
[08:27] There we go.
Speaker 2:
[08:29] That's not going to get old. I don't care. 32 times. I'm still going to love it every time. I'm going Arvel Reese to the Jets. You hate it, Kevin? I don't like the way you think.
Speaker 3:
[08:41] No, I like it a lot. I'm with you. I don't think he's a project. If he was a project, he wouldn't be going second overall. There's too many good defenders in this draft. I do want to say very quickly, so Jack here is, someone said beforehand he was in the Vanna White role, and Domonique coined the phrase Vanna Red, and so we're going to call him Vanna Red.
Speaker 2:
[09:00] Jack is doing a great job, but Charlie, my man Charlie is supposed to be there, but he's sick. We miss you, Charlie, we love you. Jack stepped up, you did an awesome job. You didn't even seem nervous when you were up here.
Speaker 1:
[09:09] It's a great intro.
Speaker 3:
[09:11] We asked if he wanted to rehearse, he didn't want to. He's good, man. He's all good. Round of applause. All right. I have picked three with Arizona. Looking at the study and the big board, making sure all my guys are still there.
Speaker 1:
[09:32] There's some surprising names.
Speaker 3:
[09:34] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[09:35] Yeah, y'all threw up some.
Speaker 3:
[09:38] They took the top 60 of the most recent mock draft.
Speaker 1:
[09:40] No, I see there's more on the other side too.
Speaker 3:
[09:42] If you'd come to the pre-show meeting, you'd have found out everything.
Speaker 1:
[09:46] I don't need to see the names. They're all up here.
Speaker 3:
[09:50] So I'm going to go off the board here a little bit. Not off the board, but not a consensus pick here. I think this guy is going to end up being the best player in the draft, regardless of the position. In five years, we're going to be saying, this was the Sonny Styles draft. So I can't in good conscience go on all these shows and say, he's going to be the best player in the draft and say, actually, I'm going to take eight guys in front of him. Give me Sonny Styles of three.
Speaker 1:
[10:15] You know, it is interesting that he is not mentioned at all.
Speaker 2:
[10:21] Hold on. I'm sorry, Mina.
Speaker 3:
[10:23] Oh, come on, Kevin. I was the most-
Speaker 2:
[10:26] One damn job. You say the pick is in, you look at the-
Speaker 3:
[10:29] I should have rehearsed. They make the sound. I was worse about Jack rehearsing, and I should have rehearsed saying the pick is in. Give it to me again. The pick is in.
Speaker 1:
[10:36] You don't have to play the sound effect again. You don't have to do it. Somebody in the crowd should start saying it, and then they'll just set the sound off.
Speaker 3:
[10:46] Okay.
Speaker 1:
[10:46] No, no. It's interesting, right? Because a lot of people think that Sonny Stiles is one of the two or three best players in the drafts, pretty common opinion. And yet, you don't really see him mentioned a lot with the Arizona Cardinals. There's a lot of Jeremiah Love smoke right now. There's talk of the pass rushers. There's talk of Mau and Noah. But they do need a linebacker.
Speaker 3:
[11:09] I think the lack of smoke is A. Obviously, there haven't been any leaks from Arizona. But also, I don't think that teams that need a ton of, like they basically need every position. I don't think those teams get associated with a player like Sonny Stiles, even though it should. You should just take the best player available.
Speaker 2:
[11:25] And it's also, I think Arizona has a history with these type of players. That isn't very good. I think that could scare off-
Speaker 1:
[11:30] With Reese, yeah, as a tweener.
Speaker 2:
[11:33] Well, I mean, I think Sonny Stiles falls into that category. It's like a hyperathlete. So Sonny Stiles started as a safety, and I know he's demonstrated as linebacker is perfect. But I think, I don't know, I think that is Yeah. Plays into it a little bit. And they also feel like a team that's not particularly ready, and they want to trade back more than anything.
Speaker 3:
[11:51] They had that with Isaiah Simmons. They also had that with Damon Buchanan. They invented the money backer phrase for him. A lot of times, like you'll hear on the podcast, the scouts will say, well, you always have to have a plan for him. And when they go to the Cardinals, there's not a plan ever. And so I think that ends up hurting that type of plan. I should qualify that. There should be, I'm packaging a plan with Sonny Styles.
Speaker 1:
[12:12] It is kind of funny that the Cardinals, you keep hearing all week, well, they're not, he's only, you know, Arville Reese only had six and a half sacks and they're not so sure and he might be, so they're going to take a running back. Because you know what he's going to do. Okay, but all right, so I'm the Tennessee Titans at Pick 4, team that has been associated with the running back. I am very tempted, however, to take Arville Reese that is a-
Speaker 3:
[12:40] Wait, can I try to trade?
Speaker 2:
[12:41] Hold on, you're going to take Arville Reese? He's already been drafted. You think of David Bailey?
Speaker 3:
[12:46] Can I try to do a trade here?
Speaker 1:
[12:49] That's my phone ringing.
Speaker 3:
[12:50] Would that be the Tennessee Titans?
Speaker 1:
[12:53] Oh, yeah, hold on, hey.
Speaker 3:
[12:54] Hi.
Speaker 1:
[12:54] Quiet, it's not you.
Speaker 3:
[12:56] What? I had a package ready.
Speaker 1:
[12:58] Hold on. Are you serious? Really? That was actually, it was Kevin. He is trading up from pick 12. Oh. I'm also getting pick 20. I'm sending him back, however, I'm gonna stop pretending like I'm on phone. I'm also sending you back my third round pick. So you're getting some value back. But you're moving up to four to take Arval Reese for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3:
[13:32] Hold on, you took Arval Reese from me at the Jets?
Speaker 2:
[13:34] You mean David Bailey?
Speaker 3:
[13:36] How did this happen? How did this happen?
Speaker 4:
[13:39] I had to say David Bailey.
Speaker 1:
[13:42] It's a great fit. I love it. This entire time, I meant to say David Bailey. I'm so sorry. Give me David Bailey for the Cowboys.
Speaker 3:
[13:48] We got through three picks without a repeat.
Speaker 1:
[13:53] Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:
[13:54] No, we didn't get through three picks. At pick number three, you forgot the chime.
Speaker 3:
[13:58] Oh yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1:
[13:59] Everything's been thrown off ever since he forgot the chime. All right. So I have the Cowboys who desperately need a pass rusher, in my opinion. They love David Bailey and they're trading up to get him at pick four.
Speaker 3:
[14:14] Domonique, how do you feel about losing a pick?
Speaker 2:
[14:16] I don't know. I was doing the math. I'm the 20th pick. I wasn't even involved in this trade. I didn't get anything back. I lost the 20th pick.
Speaker 1:
[14:23] We had a separate pre-show meeting.
Speaker 3:
[14:24] Jerry Jones doesn't ask questions. He's the land man. We'll just go.
Speaker 1:
[14:29] Yeah. I love it. All right. That's what's happening. All right. We're back to you for pick five. All right.
Speaker 2:
[14:37] I'm the New York Giants. So they're in an interesting situation. I believe there's a couple of players that they need to look at. The defenses, of course, their defensive line has gotten slightly weaker by trading away Dexter Lawrence. So that's a place they could look. I think generally their secondary could use quite a bit of help. I'm a cornerback, so I'm not afraid to draft a cornerback really high. I think Mancer DeLane would be a good choice for them at this point. Wow. Help bolster their secondary. However, I'm not going that way. Kevin, the pick is in. I am going to go with.
Speaker 1:
[15:15] The pick is in.
Speaker 3:
[15:18] The pick is not in.
Speaker 2:
[15:20] Yeah, I'm going to upset all of the analytics community and go with the running back right here. Jeremiah Love in the top five, baby. Running backs are back.
Speaker 3:
[15:35] Is the analytics community in the audience tonight?
Speaker 2:
[15:37] Tote that pill.
Speaker 1:
[15:39] All right.
Speaker 2:
[15:39] Tote it. Wow.
Speaker 1:
[15:42] You're getting booed. Would you really do this, or are you just doing this to annoy me?
Speaker 2:
[15:47] No, I would really. Annoying you is just a nice benefit to come along with it. I personally understand the logic behind it, but I think that you can have decisions informed by data, but also I think you have to take some risks sometimes. And I think obviously it's a risk, given all the information around running backs, it's a risk to take running back this high. I think it's a special running back, and he's fallen in a draft that doesn't have, if there's a tackle out there that has these type of numbers, I would think about it. You guys took all the guys, all the guys that I'm like, hey, I would not pass them up for Jeremiah Love, Sonny Styles, David Bailey, Arvel Reese are the guys. And at this point, I think Jeremiah Love is a reasonable choice for a team.
Speaker 1:
[16:33] I agree that it's reasonable because of the way this is shaken out, but do you feel good about the Giants offensive line? Do you feel good about the Giants receiver group?
Speaker 2:
[16:42] Yeah, I don't feel good about the Giants offensive line or receiver group. No, I don't. But I honestly think that one of the challenges, I believe, with bringing a running back in is the coaching around it and the system that involves it. So I think, Mina, you've pointed out that Christian McCaffrey is a great running back. They didn't run the ball particularly well, but he still has an impact on the offense. I think the hope is that Jeremiah Love, through scheme and through quarterback play, they can find a way to lighten the load on the quarterback and lighten the load on the offensive line because of the result of Jeremiah Love. Of course, it's a very dependent position, but I believe that they can coach around it. And we got other picks, baby. We got other picks.
Speaker 1:
[17:21] You do have other picks, which I think weirdly does make it more defensible.
Speaker 3:
[17:26] When you take a guy fifth overall and say, we also have other picks.
Speaker 1:
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Speaker 3:
[19:24] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[19:24] You've got the Cleveland Browns at six.
Speaker 3:
[19:27] So, Domonique has taken this. All right.
Speaker 1:
[19:33] We don't like, get out of here.
Speaker 2:
[19:35] Diego Pavia. I like that.
Speaker 3:
[19:37] That's a good suggestion. Domonique has taken this very seriously and was running game theory simulations based on me taking University of Miami players at certain positions. Yeah. So, I tried to zag and take none. I do want to give a receiver here, but I'm not going to do it because the need is just too screaming. I'm just going to go with Francis Mawinowa.
Speaker 1:
[20:03] I think they would be thrilled if he was there.
Speaker 3:
[20:12] We'll find the worst linemen available to play to the crowd.
Speaker 1:
[20:16] Yeah. I feel like the assumption is that with their two first-round picks, the Browns are going to go offensive tackle and wide receiver, but the order, I feel like is completely up in the air. If Mawinowa were to drop to them, I wonder, Monroe Freeling vs. Mawinowa, in terms of who you feel can be truly a left tackle at the next level.
Speaker 3:
[20:37] Yeah. Foxworth is even asking if Mawinowa plays guard at the next level, which he could. He moves people. Then the herniated disc is a problem. But I just think if you just watch the tape, if you watch the Ole Miss, Carson Beck touchdown, Mawinowa throws a block. It's like a movie block. He throws one block in the front and then just comes around and hits another guy who was about to get a strip sack. He can move, he can move people. I just think he's a phenomenon. And the back is a risk obviously, but I just think he's a much, much better player than any other tackle on this draft.
Speaker 2:
[21:05] Yeah. If you need a receiver and a tackle, I think it's smart to go with the tackle early. Receivers tradition, this draft feels like it has a glut, like there's no receiver that just is out of this world, stand out, but there's a glut of really good receivers. I would wait for the receivers. I think the tackles-
Speaker 3:
[21:21] I totally agree.
Speaker 2:
[21:22] Yeah, though the tackles I think are a little bit top heavy, I still don't think there's a standout incredible tackle. I think taking Mao and Noh, I think he separates himself as far as production is concerned. The size is a bit of an issue, but I think he separates himself and I think that's a good choice.
Speaker 3:
[21:39] Did I forget to do the pickaxe in again?
Speaker 2:
[21:41] What's that?
Speaker 3:
[21:41] I just forgot.
Speaker 2:
[21:43] I thought it was mean and no longer funny if I brought it up again.
Speaker 3:
[21:45] No, it is. It's actually really funny. It's actually-
Speaker 2:
[21:48] I would do it if I thought they would laugh, but I was like then they would feel bad and I would look bad, so I'm going to just be quiet.
Speaker 3:
[21:53] We paid $400,000 for that time.
Speaker 1:
[21:58] I mean, I got the force overall pick wrong.
Speaker 2:
[22:02] Sorry, we're having fun.
Speaker 1:
[22:04] I was just so wrapped up in finding the dial tone on my phone to simulate a phone call that I said the name wrong. All right.
Speaker 3:
[22:12] I'm up.
Speaker 1:
[22:13] I've got the Washington Commanders. I want to make this clear because I get branded as a hater of love. I love love. I would have taken love for the Commanders if you were there. I want to say that. Right now though, I think you've got a lot of interesting choices. Ruben Bain Jr. is a possibility. Mansur Delain, I think should be under consideration here. Caleb Downs is someone I would consider at this point. But I'm going to just go against what you guys just said because my pick is in. There we go. I'm taking Carnell Tay, baby. Do we have Ohio State fans in the crowd? Is that? No. Okay. Boo. Never mind. All right. I just think right now, Terry McLaurin behind him on the death chart in Washington, it's like Traylon Burks, Luke McCaffrey, Van Jefferson. It's not pretty. And it's full of guys that you stream in Week 16 when you're desperate. And who's been there? What?
Speaker 2:
[23:27] It's the truth.
Speaker 1:
[23:28] That is literally-
Speaker 2:
[23:29] My surprise is like, Carnell Tate has been celebrated as the number one receiver in this draft for a while. And that wasn't the read that I got when I'm watching tapes. He wouldn't be the first receiver that I would have taken. And I'm surprised that- I guess I want to hear you talk about what-
Speaker 1:
[23:47] I think his floor is really high. And I think there's reasonable questions about the ceiling. And when you take a receiver this high, you do want someone with a high ceiling. But I look at him and I've talked about this, he kind of reminds me of a bigger DeVontae Smith, where he's like a 1B to a 1A. I think with McLaurin, he's a natural fit as a Z. I think he can win downfield. Makes the offense more explosive, but I do think he's a polished route runner at all three levels. Great hands. And I just feel like that receiver group, suddenly everybody falls into a nice place if you add him to the mix. Lot of pressure in Washington to get this offense back on track. Just put him, these Ohio State receivers, let them have reunion with McLaurin. I love it. I love my pick. I would, 10 times out of 10, I would make this.
Speaker 2:
[24:37] Charlie, our sick brother who is not here right now, is a big Commanders fan. He texted me, said he wanted down, so it just made his illness even worse.
Speaker 1:
[24:45] I know. Not what I would. All right. You're up for the Saints. All right. I find this to be one of the most interesting picks in the entire draft. Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[24:53] I think this pick is interesting. I think there's a couple, the Saints need a lot. I think Mansour Delain is perfect for their defense. I also, the LSU cornerback, also would look at Reuben Bain, which would break Kevin's heart because he wants to collect all the Miami players because that's where he went. I think it's obviously to me, and people have talked about Jordan Tyson to the Saints. I think that the Saints should make a decision for their defense, and I'm a defensive guy, so you don't need to sell me on that. So the pick is in for the Saints. Ruben Bain. Yeah, we got the Miami defensive end, or actually edge player outside linebacker Ruben Bain going there. Obviously, you guys know that Ruben Bain, the conversation around him is his arm length. I think if you watch him play, honestly, he looks better than, in my opinion, than David Bailey. If you watch game to game throughout the course of the season, he came down the draft board because I think about his body type is a bit of a low-end outlier which scares people off, but man plays well and is effective. I still think this is a great pick up to add to their defense.
Speaker 1:
[26:04] It's interesting. The Saints defense quietly did get better last season as the year went along and they were actually basically average in the second half of the year which is quite a jump from the year before. So I feel like they're trending in the right direction. They've got a couple of nice players sprinkled throughout. Chase Young has been pretty good for them as well, but could absolutely benefit from adding another Edge Brandon Saylor defensive coordinator likes to play with light boxes. Bain's excellent against the runs. So it does make a lot of sense, but it also means you no longer get to pick Ruben Bain. So we're up next.
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Speaker 1:
[28:21] Would you have not taken him for the Chiefs?
Speaker 3:
[28:23] I probably would have taken him for the Chiefs, yes. And I probably would have accidentally ended up with three Miami players despite a week's worth of...
Speaker 1:
[28:33] I'm not going to take Miami Poles.
Speaker 3:
[28:35] Yeah, I know, I tried.
Speaker 1:
[28:36] That's how he sounds in our chat.
Speaker 2:
[28:38] You guys traded away the 20th pick without even discussing it with me, so revenge.
Speaker 3:
[28:43] Mina did it a week ago.
Speaker 2:
[28:44] Don't blame Mina.
Speaker 3:
[28:45] Pick your pick.
Speaker 1:
[28:46] You literally were like, we should have a trade to make it interesting. Sorry, I've got to open the kimono a little bit here. That's the reason why.
Speaker 3:
[28:52] A week ago, Mina was texting us trades and all of us were just doing other stuff. And then she was like, sounds good. And she agreed to a trade with herself basically.
Speaker 1:
[29:00] That's not what happened. Tell them the Chiefs pick. I'm going to revisit this conversation.
Speaker 3:
[29:06] You know, I kind of want to give them Caleb Downs just as a...
Speaker 1:
[29:12] That would be sick.
Speaker 2:
[29:13] Do you not?
Speaker 3:
[29:14] A girl?
Speaker 2:
[29:15] Like, I don't know. I assume when I think about what the Chiefs need, I think about this offseason and the biggest things that happened to the Chiefs defense this offseason was the corners leaving is like one, they signed away and created to see the Rams and the other one, they traded to the Rams.
Speaker 3:
[29:31] And then Brian Cook, the safety movie. Yeah. So, they need something on that back end.
Speaker 2:
[29:35] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[29:36] And I think that Downs is a lot better than Mansour Delain.
Speaker 1:
[29:40] Oh, really?
Speaker 3:
[29:41] Wow.
Speaker 1:
[29:42] I like Delain.
Speaker 3:
[29:43] Like as a value? Okay.
Speaker 1:
[29:44] I'm pouring it back over safety.
Speaker 3:
[29:49] I think as a value, I bet you can't talk about who's better at their job. I think Downs is a lot better.
Speaker 1:
[29:54] Corn bags make a little bit more in safety, my friend.
Speaker 3:
[29:56] Downs for the second half of the season last year was like the best player in the country.
Speaker 2:
[29:58] You know Mansour Delain is here, right?
Speaker 3:
[30:04] Give me Downs here.
Speaker 2:
[30:06] The pick is in.
Speaker 1:
[30:07] Oh, brother. Okay. So while you were saying that, I scrolled up, we had an entire conversation about how much is too cheap for a bottle of wine, and we all agreed $20 is the right amount to spend at our age.
Speaker 3:
[30:24] What?
Speaker 1:
[30:24] Domonique.
Speaker 3:
[30:25] $20?
Speaker 1:
[30:26] At a minimum. Well, okay. The conversation was, can you tell the difference between cheap wine and good wine? And I said, at the $20 mark, that's it. All right. Domonique said, I think we should do a trade. I said, okay, I'm going to do this. Kevin said, yes, I will do that trade. I wrote, I can do a stupid bit like pretending to get a phone call. Kevin Clark responded, LMAO. So I just wanted to full consent on all parties with that trade. I'm back up. Number 10, the Giants. In a tough spot because earlier my GM took the running back. No, I'm just kidding. I'm also in a tough spot because a lot of the premium players are gone. Right now, you're considering a lot of names. I'm considering Delaine, who we've been talking about. I'm considering Jordan Tyson, who's the name that's being associated with the Giants right now. But I want Jeremiah Love to succeed. So I'm going to take an offensive.
Speaker 2:
[31:28] The pick is in.
Speaker 1:
[31:29] The pick.
Speaker 2:
[31:32] I thought it was Kevin. I apologize. You're better than Kevin. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:
[31:35] When you said I want Jeremiah Love, I thought you were picking a duplicate again.
Speaker 1:
[31:40] No, I'm not taking Jeremiah Love. I am taking Spencer Fano.
Speaker 2:
[31:46] There we go.
Speaker 1:
[31:50] So much enthusiasm.
Speaker 2:
[31:51] Love for tackles. Kevin and I talked about this in the green room earlier. We were like, there's a lot of tackles in this draft.
Speaker 1:
[31:56] But can we talk about the fact, well, this may not be the sexiest pick as evidenced by, we got a one, here we go from the crowd. It actually makes a lot of sense when you look at the Giants offensive line, the interior, he could play guard for them. He could succeed Jermaine Illuminore on the outside. I think offensive line is a sneaky need for New York. If you improve your line and then get the back, you're feeling pretty good about the run game moving forward.
Speaker 2:
[32:22] Right. I think we all recognize that so much stuff in football is in service of the quarterback. Even improving your defense is in service of your quarterback. Improving your run game, I think, is probably the single thing you can do that will help your quarterback the best, which doesn't always mean get a running back. It normally means improve your offensive line. But if you can combine a dynamic running back with an improved offensive line, and the way that Jeremiah Love is special, I think matters too, because you can have a running back that can get you four or five yards of carry, that's incredible. But if you have a running back that can score, anytime you give them the ball, that changes the dynamic. You think back to the Eagles Championship run when no one could mess with them. It was because, in large part, they were getting it.
Speaker 1:
[33:05] That's how I feel about Love is like, the reason why people are so excited about him is the explosive play potential. But I also think he's not, and this is maybe why I've been a little bit more hesitant, he's not a super creative back and he's not a power back in terms of running between the tackles. But if he has any space, he's gone. So I do think improving the offensive line, it should be a priority regardless for New York. So what do you think? Looking at the Giants Hall, we came out of this draft with Jeremiah Love and Spencer Fano, the offensive tackle out of Utah, how are you feeling?
Speaker 3:
[33:38] Did we change the direction of the franchise today? Because I don't think we did. Which I think you have to do if you come out with two top 10 picks.
Speaker 1:
[33:45] Well.
Speaker 2:
[33:46] Hold on, we don't need to change the direction of the franchise.
Speaker 3:
[33:48] Yes, you do. If you watch the Giants.
Speaker 2:
[33:50] No, they had a promising young quarterback, they got a new coach, the direction of the franchise is headed in the right direction. Like they changed the direction of the franchise with this, the decision they made this off-season. Now, they are furthering that direction with these choices that Mina and I so perfectly made.
Speaker 3:
[34:09] There's a number of players who could change one side of the ball in this draft. I don't think the Giants got either of them.
Speaker 2:
[34:16] Who are those players?
Speaker 1:
[34:17] You don't think Love is that?
Speaker 3:
[34:19] No. I think that Downs, Bain, I think Maui Noah changes it. I don't think Tate does. I don't know if Fano does. I think Maui Noah is a lot better than Bain. I also spaced out a little bit because I noticed how ridiculous my headshot is over there. Rusilo used to have a bit about how someone was circulating a headshot that's clearly designed to harm his career, and I feel like I've got the same thing going on right now. That's from The Ringer by the way.
Speaker 1:
[34:50] I just noticed Lenny was in the advertisement for the show. I hope you guys don't feel like that was false advertising. Sorry. All right.
Speaker 2:
[34:58] This is the point where we...
Speaker 1:
[34:59] Yeah, so that's the first top 10. So if you're listening to the audio version of this and you want to hear our next 10 picks, head over to the Domonique Foxworth Show.
Speaker 4:
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