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Speaker 3:
[00:56] Harry Jowsey is like a personal villain of mine and it's only-

Speaker 4:
[01:02] Who is he? Help me, Justine, understand who this man is and why I know him.

Speaker 5:
[01:11] Where would he come from?

Speaker 4:
[01:12] People always talk about industry plans. Like this week, this week, this thrown around. I don't get it. I don't want to. I am trying to understand why this man is all-

Speaker 3:
[01:22] Who is he? Welcome to 2 Black Girls, 1 Rose, where together we'll uncover what we can learn about modern dating, love and relationships from popular television. I'm Justine, and today we have the wonderful, the exceptional, the reality TV savant, podcaster extraordinaire, former bachelorette and birthday queen, Rachel Lindsay in the house today.

Speaker 4:
[01:48] The best introduction. Thank you so much.

Speaker 6:
[01:50] I'm always happy to be here with you. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1:
[01:53] Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3:
[01:54] So excited to have you and so excited to your birthday yesterday.

Speaker 7:
[01:59] That's so fabulous.

Speaker 1:
[02:00] Thank you.

Speaker 4:
[02:01] It's so funny you get older and you're like, first off, I worked on my birthday, which used to be a hard no for me.

Speaker 3:
[02:07] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[02:08] No, but it was fun stuff. It was like, oh, for the plot, like I've never done these things before. But I used to say, no, I'm taking the day off, all of that. But you know what? The older you get, you're just so grateful, you feel loved. It's just a time to reflect. I feel like when I woke up, I just sat in the bed and I just thought about things.

Speaker 3:
[02:29] So it was a great time. Good. I believe you were the one who said, the evens treat you well, right?

Speaker 4:
[02:38] Yeah, I had to let that go. No, no, the evens treat me bad.

Speaker 3:
[02:41] The evens were bad, okay.

Speaker 4:
[02:42] Which my separation was in an even year. But 2023, which is an odd year, was a very hard year for me. However, in 2025, year of the snake, hard for everybody.

Speaker 3:
[02:55] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[02:57] But I guess as I try to change my outlook and be more positive, it was a learning experience. They were hard years, but they were learning years. You don't always hear where everything goes well, but this year is the year of the fire horse. That's an even year. So I'm accepting all the positive energy for all of us.

Speaker 3:
[03:14] Oh, amazing. Wow. That was a lot of astrology that I was not expecting. Wow. LA of you. I love it.

Speaker 4:
[03:24] It's so LA. Everyone here is like, girl, what's your sun moon rising? Give it to me so I can understand you right now.

Speaker 3:
[03:30] Yeah. I used to work at a yoga studio, so I know all the things.

Speaker 4:
[03:33] It's no more what do you do? It's sun moon rising.

Speaker 3:
[03:37] Big three.

Speaker 4:
[03:38] I am one of those people, but I've always been curious about it.

Speaker 3:
[03:42] Yeah. I think it's so fun. Even I think it was season two of Indian matchmaking. They had a real for real scientist astrology on there. I was like, when you take it serious, this is real.

Speaker 4:
[03:55] Yeah. I think so. There's Western astrology versus Eastern astrology, which is the whole sign. Because my Eastern, I'm in Aries, which does make a lot of sense.

Speaker 3:
[04:05] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[04:06] But I was about to get into some other stuff. I was like, well, technically my Aries is in Venus, which is-

Speaker 3:
[04:10] See, I don't know the V. Once you get into Venus and where things are, and the longitude and latitude, I just-

Speaker 4:
[04:16] Venus is for love. Okay. That is an important one to know.

Speaker 3:
[04:20] Yeah. Dang. I did that all. I just got married. I didn't know what my Venus was.

Speaker 4:
[04:27] Now, I have to ask. Wait, just tell me, Elise, what's your sign?

Speaker 3:
[04:30] Yeah. So my big three, my son is Sagittarius, my moon is Scorpio, and my rising is Aquarius.

Speaker 4:
[04:38] Okay. What is his son?

Speaker 3:
[04:40] His son is Gemini.

Speaker 4:
[04:44] Like, Gemini and Sag go very well together.

Speaker 3:
[04:47] It's ideal. It's nice. Yeah. I have a lot of Gemini friends. It's nice. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[04:51] You're great.

Speaker 8:
[04:52] You guys go so well together.

Speaker 4:
[04:54] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[04:54] Good. Oh, my God. What an intro. That was great. We are here to talk about Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, a show that us, the 2 Black Girls, 1 Rose refused to ever do until the Bachelorette announcement came out. We had no idea who she was until it came out. We didn't know she was.

Speaker 4:
[05:14] So wait, wait, wait. I'm sorry. I'm not the backup. So then you didn't know who she was, which I just love this perspective. So she's announced, you start Googling. So what's the first impression of when you Google and you see her? Because I did watch. So I knew what I was coming into.

Speaker 3:
[05:37] So everybody said like, oh, you guys should watch it. It's kind of boring, but it's fine. And we knew that there wasn't any swinging. So we were like, yeah, we're not going to watch this. Like we're big Real Housewives of Salt Lake City fans. We're like, that's enough Mormon, like it's fine. And then we were going to do our research about, you know, the upcoming season. And when we watched that first episode and I saw the body cam footage, I said, oh, I get it. I get it now. I get it.

Speaker 4:
[06:03] The first episode felt like a whole season.

Speaker 3:
[06:05] Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[06:07] And that's what drew you in.

Speaker 3:
[06:09] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[06:09] You know what though, I grew up in such a religious household that I'm fascinated by people who grow up in religious cultures and in a bubble. I knew something starts poking at that bubble and there is desire. Because at the end of the day, we're human beings and we have these certain desires within us. And a strict household, religion, laws, whatever, it cannot suppress what you feel so deeply, which is why you have in the Mormon culture swinging. It's why people go get married on a Friday so they can have sex all weekend and get an adult on a Monday. And it's very fascinating to me because I grew up in purity culture. So that's one. Two, and I'll give Justin Sylvester credit for this, he's like, these girls never had their teenage years. They never had, so they're having it now. And their thirst for fame.

Speaker 3:
[07:04] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[07:07] It's so obvious. They will literally, like, you know they're, you know, they're in confessional saying, okay, so tell me what you want me to say and how should I say it?

Speaker 3:
[07:15] Yep.

Speaker 4:
[07:16] Okay, like what do I need to do? And it's like we have no self-awareness of how the industry works, how reality TV works. It's like they've been grown into all of this and are giving us, they're getting, they're right at the line. Okay. Did you want, you went all the way back and watched, like right now, I'm at the point.

Speaker 3:
[07:36] All three seasons, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[07:37] With the off season behavior, I'm like, we're both a little tired, you're losing the point. Yeah. We can get into it.

Speaker 3:
[07:45] Yeah, which is not surprising when you do overlap of seasons like this, like the aftermath of the reunion is the center plot for season four. That's like, you're getting into like some weird territory here and how hard they work is something that I find so disturbing as a, I think, as a new mom, honestly, when I watch them breastfeed and they're like, oh yeah, I'm eight weeks out and I just finished my first dancing with the star. I'm like, no. And your man not working.

Speaker 4:
[08:13] He's out all the time.

Speaker 3:
[08:15] All the time and they're young too. That makes a difference that they're younger. But still, that is a lot very disturbing to me. But also, I think that they've never worked anywhere. So they never really know when someone's trying to get off on them or when someone's taking advantage of them. Because the first thing I did, looking at this, I was like, who owns the phrase mom talk? You guys keep saying the leader of, the leader of, the leader of, but who owns the trademark?

Speaker 4:
[08:47] Do they have a trademark?

Speaker 3:
[08:48] Surely they have a trademark. No, they don't.

Speaker 4:
[08:50] And nobody's even got it?

Speaker 3:
[08:52] It's like their agency or something has the owner of it. Yeah, but I was like...

Speaker 4:
[08:58] It's very interesting though, because you're right, they all have this community of women who marry as soon as they can, so they can satisfy their sexual, amen, so they can satisfy their sexual desires. They're growing up in these relationships. Obviously, they're not the same people they were before. And what motivated them to jump in is not where they are at this point. So they're going through this whole thing of, all right, I did exactly what I'm supposed to. I followed the religion, I got married, I am faithful to my husband, I have kids, I'm building this beautiful family, and I still don't feel fulfilled. I want more. This comes mom talk, they have this community of women, and then they start, you know, well, like, what do you think about this? And what do you think about this? And, you know, they get curious, they start acting on the curiosity, and here we are. But man, they are so naive. I mean, they are a producer's dream.

Speaker 3:
[09:56] I know. I know. And you can see it with all of the entities that they're working for. It is very obvious that they're working for Hulu, Warner Brothers, Disney, all three conglomerates, they are working together. My husband just asked me, he was like, aren't they concerned about camera time? I was like, no, they're concerned about how many shows they're on at one time.

Speaker 8:
[10:17] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[10:17] They want to be on multiple places, places in once.

Speaker 8:
[10:20] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[10:21] And they think if one makes it, they get like, okay, great. Taylor's about to do it, then that means I can, and that means I can get on Dancing with the Stars because Whitney and Jinda, I can be on Broadway because Whitney was like, it's all good for you because then I'm next.

Speaker 3:
[10:34] Yep. Yep. Exactly. That's what Demi is doing. That's what we see Demi doing, obviously.

Speaker 6:
[10:38] We see Demi doing.

Speaker 4:
[10:39] Which is why Jess's behavior is so interesting, but we can talk about.

Speaker 3:
[10:42] Now, her behavior now?

Speaker 4:
[10:44] Yeah. You saw what happened to Demi when she started filling herself too much.

Speaker 3:
[10:48] I know.

Speaker 4:
[10:50] What are you doing? Man, I always say this. People say money is the root of all evil. No, it is insecurity.

Speaker 3:
[11:00] I was going to say fame.

Speaker 4:
[11:01] Insecurity is the root of all evil. Insecurity, you don't even realize why you're acting in that way. Because you've been operating in a mindset of being insecure for such a long time, it just becomes natural to you. Jesse is one of the most insecure people. I have ever seen on TV, whether it's the way she is with friends and how they take advantage of her, the way that she stays in a relationship too long, the way she makes excuses, the way that she seeks attention from men in all places, the way that she's competitive with some of her friends, and what she's doing now with Marciano. And this is where the the naivety comes because it's like, you think that's good. Yeah. Nobody wants to see that. Nobody cares about him or what the two of you have. We got what we needed. You cheated on your husband. We got it. We're good.

Speaker 3:
[11:58] Let's move on. Yep.

Speaker 4:
[12:00] That is not making you a star. It doesn't look good. You would chase like, and it's a bit, she can't see it because she's so insecure.

Speaker 3:
[12:07] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[12:07] It's like satisfying something quick. It's like a dopamine hit.

Speaker 3:
[12:11] Yes.

Speaker 4:
[12:11] It makes you feel good for a quick second. But then behind closed doors, she's insecure and it's really sad. I think she's, and I'm not knocking her personally. I think she seems like a very sweet person, a person who wants to be feel okay, feel whole, feel loved. She's looking forward in all the wrong places.

Speaker 3:
[12:31] Wrong places, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[12:32] It's turning bad for her.

Speaker 3:
[12:34] Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I agree. I think once you, it's one of those things once you think you're bigger than the program, they exit you out like Demi thought that she was bigger than the program. So we'll see what happens with the other ones. But speaking of insecurity, Rachel, I got to have some quick fire questions for you. This will be only on Patreon. So if you guys are listening right now, you want to see the full ad free video. If you want to hear all of the quick fire questions with Rachel and later on, I'm doing a whole Bravo breakdown with Natasha's sister-in-law on the pre-show. Then check us out on Patreon.

Speaker 4:
[13:13] Wait, that was such a great tease. That makes me want to be more malicious because y'all got to pay to get this.

Speaker 3:
[13:19] Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. No, we had to find the Patreon. All the nastiness and the mess. Oh, my God, we have so much back there. Anyway. OK, everybody, I'm here to do what we usually call the pre-show. I think we're going to do a little exposure. I think we're going to expose the people to what we really think about Summerhouse this week because my episode with Rachel was a little bit short. So I'm going to give you guys a little treat today. We have Natasha's beautiful and wonderful sister-in-law, former podcaster, one of my twin, twin souls, twin friends. We are Geneva. Geneva Scott is here. Hi, friends. I'm excited to be here.

Speaker 9:
[13:56] These are passion. This is a passion project for me, discussing these shows with you.

Speaker 3:
[14:00] I love it so much. Yeah, I send Geneva high voice notes whenever I can. So we podcast.

Speaker 9:
[14:06] My favorite was the one where you're whispering, when there was like, the viewers are like, hello, is that you?

Speaker 3:
[14:14] I was like, I'm hiding from my family. Yes.

Speaker 9:
[14:16] She was literally like, I'm in the bathroom.

Speaker 3:
[14:22] Oh, my God. So we are here today to talk some bravo talk. We got Summer House. They just came out yesterday. Okay.

Speaker 9:
[14:30] I'm sorry. The way you just said talk, your accent.

Speaker 3:
[14:32] I know.

Speaker 5:
[14:33] Related talk.

Speaker 3:
[14:35] That was great. I love it. It's so bad. It's good.

Speaker 10:
[14:38] It's so bad.

Speaker 3:
[14:39] Oh, my God. So we got Summer House and we're going to do a little Rehouse Reservoir Island. So Summer House came on last night and Andy teased it, right? He said he was like, this is going to be you guys. This is like a rough one to watch. Guys, they're still editing it. You guys, you guys. And did you, I saw a bunch of people who had the screeners were like the screeners aren't in. And usually by now they're in. What are they doing? They're re-editing. I think that's why that little Lexi is not in there anymore. I don't know where she went.

Speaker 9:
[15:08] Summer House is always good for that where they just disappear, somebody off the cast. That happens every year. We're like, where the fuck did this person go?

Speaker 3:
[15:14] Yeah. It's wild. Yeah. The poor girls is not in it anymore. Which, you know, we didn't even give her a chance. I don't know.

Speaker 11:
[15:21] No.

Speaker 9:
[15:22] I thought they were fun together. Like the-

Speaker 11:
[15:24] So did I.

Speaker 9:
[15:24] The Bailey, like they were fun. I like girls like that. Those are the type of girls I like right there.

Speaker 3:
[15:29] Same.

Speaker 9:
[15:29] Self-deprecating, fun. They were a good time.

Speaker 3:
[15:32] Yeah. But she's a casualty of Scamanda. So we have West and Amanda. I believe this was- Okay. Well, first we have Sierra, Mia, and Amanda talking on the bed.

Speaker 9:
[15:48] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[15:49] That was rough. That was a rough watch because Amanda, I really want to know what she's going to say tomorrow when they film the reunion.

Speaker 9:
[15:57] That's a reunion. Oh my God.

Speaker 2:
[15:59] Oh, I can't wait.

Speaker 3:
[16:01] So I really wonder what she's going to say because were she lying? When she was sitting there saying that, Sierra?

Speaker 9:
[16:08] I am looking at her like, are you a psychopath? Seriously, that's how I'm studying her because it's like, I don't understand how you position yourself like this diehard friend and like, I am here for you and not only am I here for you, I'm going to confront West and I'm going to like the elaborateness of how she's presenting as a good friend to then do what she did. It's like, are you out of your mind? What is happening here? I really, it's insane.

Speaker 3:
[16:40] Yeah. It was really scary to watch somebody do that.

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Speaker 5:
[17:15] So you're saying with Hilton Honors, I can use points for a free night stay anywhere?

Speaker 11:
[17:20] Anywhere.

Speaker 5:
[17:21] What about fancy places like the Canopy in Paris?

Speaker 8:
[17:24] Yeah.

Speaker 11:
[17:24] Hilton Honors, baby.

Speaker 5:
[17:25] Or relaxing sanctuaries like the Conrad and Tulum?

Speaker 11:
[17:29] Hilton Honors, baby.

Speaker 5:
[17:31] What about the five-star Waldorf Astoria in the Maldives?

Speaker 11:
[17:34] Are you going to do this for all 9,000 properties?

Speaker 6:
[17:37] When you want points that can take you anywhere, anytime, it matters where you stay. Hilton, for the stay. Book your spring break now.

Speaker 3:
[17:47] Then we have Ciara, Mia, and Mia's brother Nick go to the psychic. That was a cute moment too. That was nice. That lady is cleaning up because she had exposed brick wall in her house.

Speaker 9:
[18:00] Well, it seemed like maybe a studio, like a single room vibe or was that like an office?

Speaker 3:
[18:05] It probably was her office where she does all of it out of.

Speaker 9:
[18:08] How do you feel about these type of like, are you into this?

Speaker 3:
[18:13] Never. I never have been into it.

Speaker 9:
[18:16] Me neither.

Speaker 3:
[18:17] But I will say when I was pregnant, I had a dream that my aunt who passed away a couple of years ago, vivid dream, and I told you about my pregnancy dreams, they were nuts. I was on my baby moon, and I had a dream that we were in the room just like talking regular. And then she told me, she said, I sent your daughter down as soon as I could. And I was like, yeah, it was fast. Like it was so quick.

Speaker 9:
[18:45] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[18:46] And we had like a whole just sitting there chatting, like everything was normal. And then I woke up. Yeah, it was like, so it's fascinating to have a dream like that sober.

Speaker 9:
[18:56] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[18:57] Right.

Speaker 9:
[18:57] You're like, this is real.

Speaker 3:
[19:02] It wasn't, you know, it's some kind of psychiatric stupor. Yes. So that's the only thing I've had like close to touching something like this.

Speaker 9:
[19:12] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[19:12] Right. So it's not like I don't believe it's like not possible.

Speaker 9:
[19:17] Exactly. I think it's possible. And like the way she was, I keep, I look right when I'm watching these things, I'm like, okay, does anybody have a necklace on? When she was like, there was a pendant, you know, I'm like, I'm trying to spot because I do think sometimes and like, I'm not, I'm not going to shit all over this entire industry, people doing their thing, but I think sometimes they can read, they're reading, you know, they're really good at reading social science. Like I've seen a mentalist before in Vegas and fucking blew my mind. But there's no way that's actually like they can't pick people out of the crowd and know what's in their head. I think they're right. They're really good at reading people. I think it's a combination of maybe a bit of skill and a bit of being able to read people. But I think she got what she needed in that session, which was beautiful, right?

Speaker 3:
[19:56] Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[19:57] And Sierra, they're a good ass friend again, crying in the corner, taking notes, I think.

Speaker 5:
[20:01] Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[20:02] She was taking notes for her.

Speaker 5:
[20:03] Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[20:04] So sweet.

Speaker 3:
[20:05] So nice. Yeah. Oh my gosh. So it's just nice to see Sierra through this, have a real friend.

Speaker 9:
[20:12] 100 percent.

Speaker 3:
[20:13] Two, I would say, KJ too.

Speaker 9:
[20:15] Yes. And I love how later in the episode, the three of them go have a little convo about Dara. Like just they are real friends and they've built like a real like community within that group, which I think is really nice, especially for them.

Speaker 3:
[20:27] Yeah. So we get to KJ and Dara. KJ asked Dara to be his girlfriend.

Speaker 9:
[20:32] They're still together, right?

Speaker 3:
[20:33] They're still together. I didn't know that he's 29. She's like 33, 34.

Speaker 9:
[20:39] Oh yeah. When they said there was an age difference, I wanted to know what it was. Okay, that's significant. That's like 34 as a woman, you're ready to get the show on the road.

Speaker 3:
[20:46] Yes, you're ready to do things.

Speaker 9:
[20:48] And 29 as a man, you're a fucking fuck boy still.

Speaker 3:
[20:50] I mean, you're still wearing grills on Watch What Happens Alive.

Speaker 9:
[20:53] Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 3:
[20:57] But I think he's such a lover boy, I think he'd be ready to lock it down. And I think he's the type to really want to try really hard at being a great husband and a great dad. You know what I mean?

Speaker 9:
[21:09] Yeah, that's going to be important to him. I mean, raised by women, you know?

Speaker 3:
[21:12] Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[21:13] They always, like, he just seems, while he seems pretty insecure still, and like, he's working through, I mean, he does, right? Like, he's still kind of working through that shit. I think she seems to really, like, be obsessed with him in a way that I think will build that confidence in him, you know? And it's nice to see, like, a normal relationship in this house. It does not exist anywhere, anywhere you look, so that's nice.

Speaker 3:
[21:37] Anywhere else, I know. And the, um, and they're two, like, influencer-y types. She's an influencer fully.

Speaker 9:
[21:44] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[21:44] Who used to work at Sephora. And he's like a skater, skater boy. Yeah, something like that. You know, something. I don't know, I don't know what he does, but he's making money somehow. Okay, good. And yeah, to see, like, two people in that industry be normal is really nice. Do you think his insecurity, I think part of his insecurity about especially coming in is like the first Black man in Summer House. And luckily, he has me and Ciara this season. I think that's part of the reason why he's so mad at West. Yeah, I think we're going to find out tomorrow or, you know, one of the reunion airs. But I'm like, there's something real deep happening with why he's so mad at West.

Speaker 9:
[22:23] I think so. And like you saw, he's still tweeting about it or tweeting. Do we still say that? Whatever?

Speaker 3:
[22:27] Yeah, I think he's on threads.

Speaker 9:
[22:30] Yeah, he's like, he's upset. And in a way that like seems like very personal for somebody. And no offense, but like he would just we just found him. We just like, he's new to this.

Speaker 1:
[22:42] So it's interesting.

Speaker 3:
[22:44] He didn't fuck Dara. I mean, he did before, but he didn't, you know, he didn't like do this to you.

Speaker 9:
[22:52] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[22:53] But there's something going on between the two of them and like something happened. I'm very excited to see what that's going to be.

Speaker 9:
[23:00] Yeah, I can't wait to see. I saw Jesse on Watch Rapids Live, the clip.

Speaker 3:
[23:06] Goop gagged and geeked on Watch Rapids Live.

Speaker 9:
[23:09] My God. When he said, though, that like he thinks West is going to come in defensive, I'm like, fuck, this idiot is not like he's not getting it at all. And if he comes in again, like I think I said this before, like if he comes in like Craig on Southern Charm, like sweaty and hot and ready to fucking battle, it's going to be terrible for him.

Speaker 3:
[23:30] I know. But what do you think about, and me and Rachel Lindsay talked about this as well. What do you think about both Mia and Ciara now have both said in their post-Skamanda first speaking engagements, a version of Boys Will Be Boys to excuse West? I think that's such the wrong move. I think it's the worst move.

Speaker 9:
[24:00] I don't, the bulk of the fault, yes, is on Amanda as her friend and confidant, etc. As I always say, it takes two to tango, and like West, even when you watch last night's episode, she is still crying over this man at two years after they hooked up. So there is no world where he can say, Sierra didn't give a fuck about, you know what I mean? There's so much evidence about how deeply she cared about that relationship. So it's just, and it's the shadiness of it all. The fact that even while he's saying him and Amanda were getting serious, there's all these reports of him hooking up with other chicks. So it's like, he's a complete fuck boy, and he has to be called out. You cannot, and I just feel like now I'm looking at him, like I'm just looking at him and disgust. Every time he pops up anywhere, I'm just, look at this fucking schmuck. Like, he's terrible, terrible.

Speaker 3:
[24:52] I know, and he is back now. Whenever he's in Ciara's Good Graces, I see it. I'm like, all right, I see it. Maybe he's charming, he's cool, whatever. Where's the handkerchief? Then when she hates him, I'm like, no, he's disgusting. He's big and red like a tomato.

Speaker 9:
[25:09] Oh, totally. Even last night's episode, she came out looking like a fucking supermodel going to their coffee, head to toe, flawless makeup done. When she wake up, like 6 a.m., I was like, when did she get up and get ready? She looked incredible and he took a shower, but he just looked disgusting to me. I was just like, ugh.

Speaker 3:
[25:27] And her? Going to get him, Geneva, I just wanted to die.

Speaker 9:
[25:32] I know.

Speaker 3:
[25:33] I just wanted to lay down and die. Why are you going to get him? You asked him for the coffee, then you went to go get him. I just hate this.

Speaker 9:
[25:44] I think that's a big part of it, to be honest, which is like when you make yourself too available to a man, and it's sick, but everybody wants to play that fucking game of like, ah, you got, like, and it works. It does. And there's a reason why this is as tale as old as time that people go back to that move, but it's like she was demonstrating her readiness to like whatever with him in a way that was really obvious. And he was like, oh, I'm off the hook. Here we go. We're going to coffee. We're going to blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like, I just hate that that whole thing, just that whole, that was so hard to watch for me. Like, I just, so painful.

Speaker 3:
[26:22] First off, shout out to whoever edits the show and the music that was in the background.

Speaker 9:
[26:28] 100%.

Speaker 3:
[26:29] That Ludwig-level orchestra that they put in the...

Speaker 9:
[26:33] It was almost like the jazz music.

Speaker 3:
[26:37] It was so intense.

Speaker 9:
[26:39] So intense.

Speaker 3:
[26:40] I was like, oh my God. And then when Wes was sitting there, like attempting to apologize and not looking at her, like, I'm no better than a man either, right? I, too, was looking at the underboob on Sia.

Speaker 9:
[26:54] Oh my God, I was fixated. I could not look away.

Speaker 3:
[26:59] Like, she's sitting there, she looks amazing.

Speaker 9:
[27:02] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[27:02] But you have to look at it when you talk. This, looking off to the side is so crazy.

Speaker 9:
[27:08] Yeah, you gotta look, again, the genuineness. And like, you could see even when she was like, let's be best friends again or whatever. He's like, okay. And you could just see it in his face. Like, he was like, fuck, what did I get myself into? You know, and I just wish, like with all my heart, we could go back and she could have just been like, you're a, you're a fuckboy. Like, off. I don't want anything to do with you. She set herself up for more bullshit.

Speaker 3:
[27:32] I know. And you know, me and Natasha, we go to the Hamptons every summer with our friend. And I was texting her last night. And I just wish we ran into them. I just feel like none of this would have happened if the four of us had met in a bathroom. We had met Sierra. And you know, I had a fainting spill.

Speaker 9:
[27:51] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[27:51] And I feel like if they were at that restaurant, this wouldn't have happened. I feel like, oh my god.

Speaker 9:
[27:57] What's that movie, Sliding Doors? Like, it could have been something completely different.

Speaker 3:
[28:00] It could have been a whole different future for us. We could have stopped her from Westling's crutches. Clutches. Oh my god.

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Speaker 3:
[29:22] I thought it was interesting how they were talking about the fans and the cameras. I went and had to re-watch it today because Peacock Trey was glitching, or Bravo was glitching yesterday.

Speaker 9:
[29:33] Oh, I heard this.

Speaker 3:
[29:34] Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[29:37] It's like we're Beyoncé level analyzing. I want to speak of this is not related. I watched like a three-minute video of one of the latest theories about May 4th and Beyoncé. It's like the research that Hive is putting into when her next album. It's like what people are doing with Summer House, which it doesn't usually hold up to that level of scrutiny, but it somehow is.

Speaker 3:
[29:55] It is.

Speaker 11:
[29:55] It is.

Speaker 3:
[29:57] I know. Because I think people are really foggy on this timeline.

Speaker 9:
[30:01] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[30:01] This time, I don't make no sense.

Speaker 9:
[30:03] I saw it today. The Miami thing that Jesse said, they went to dinner by themselves, that's looking like a month earlier, that's looking like January according to the receipts people are pulling. This is a problem when your entire life is on social media. The detectives will get you and they're going to fucking blow this shit up as soon as they try to act like it was anything but what it was, which I think is happening way longer than people thought.

Speaker 3:
[30:25] Same. Because that was also the first thing that he said on his little whack ass podcast. It was like these were two single people and whatever, whatever. I was like, okay, if that's the first thing out your mouth, that means a lie.

Speaker 9:
[30:39] Well, it's also, so let's write, you're two single people, cool. You as a whatever, if we're going to go with that theory, part of that would have been being a man, going to Kyle and being like, hey Kyle, this is where we're at. This came out of nowhere. I want to make you guys aware. Similarly, she should have gone to Sierra and said, x, y, and z, whatever that explanation is. But the fact that they did nothing and they knew nothing until they released a statement, that feels so much shadier than two friends. Yes. They fucked themselves by how they approached it. If you had just been cool, I mean, it still would have been terrible, but it wouldn't have played out this way in public in such a horrific manner for them.

Speaker 3:
[31:20] Yes. Yes, if somebody was clued in, if at least Kyle was clued in. Which then we wouldn't have the Carls and Mess merch, which I'm on the wait list for. I can't believe I'm on the wait list for something Loverboy LLC incorporated. Good for them. No.

Speaker 9:
[31:37] It's going to single-handedly save the business. Isn't that crazy?

Speaker 3:
[31:44] Oh my God. But back to Sierra and Wes. Apology. I do want to get into a little bit more how he openly said he resented her. From when they were together and they broke up. And I think he just resented her because it didn't work out how he thought it was going to. Because he broke up with her thinking that every woman at these Bravo watch parties at City Winery was going to drop them. And they looked exactly like Sierra, I guess. Right.

Speaker 9:
[32:13] One of the most beautiful women in the world. You're just going to find at a Bravo fan event.

Speaker 3:
[32:20] And they're not going to be on Sierra's side. They're going to be on yours.

Speaker 9:
[32:22] Right. Right.

Speaker 3:
[32:23] And they're going to just give it up to you like that day. I don't, I'm not really sure.

Speaker 9:
[32:29] Just bad judgment all around. And then to say that to her too is like, it's so demonstrative of how he views her. And even when he said to her, like, I see you or whatever.

Speaker 3:
[32:40] Oh my God.

Speaker 8:
[32:41] Like, no you fucking don't.

Speaker 3:
[32:42] And Amanda told you to say that.

Speaker 9:
[32:44] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[32:45] Yes.

Speaker 9:
[32:45] Yeah, you're right. She did.

Speaker 3:
[32:48] The worst. And I think he resents her. Him and Amanda resent her because they are the only two who don't have anything out of Summer House currently.

Speaker 9:
[32:56] I think you're right.

Speaker 3:
[32:57] Wes does have a job at Complex.

Speaker 9:
[33:00] Right.

Speaker 3:
[33:00] But he is talking a lot about how he can't communicate with anything. And he can't say his feelings and he can't communicate. But journalist is in your lower third. And I think that's very interesting and probably not too good for your reputation at this point. And I think he resents her for buying that house in North Carolina and doing what she said she was going to do.

Speaker 9:
[33:22] Yeah. Naming it and doing it.

Speaker 3:
[33:24] And doing it. I think as you said earlier, I think as a man, I think he has trouble with that.

Speaker 9:
[33:29] Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[33:31] And I feel like that's an insecurity of his.

Speaker 9:
[33:34] And I think there's a little bit of the former athlete stuff happening here of like, he went to college in, I don't know, Wisconsin or some shit somewhere over there. Kansas was probably one of those guys on campus, one of those people.

Speaker 3:
[33:51] BMOC.

Speaker 9:
[33:52] Yeah. And just like we saw on Love is Blind and fucking Alex, the soccer prodigy that never was, there's something about that type, that profile of a person who can't let go of that. He thinks they're worthier of more and more and more. And he has some of those qualities of like, he thinks people should be fucking bowing down to him. And because of that, he makes decisions like he did passing on Sierra and fucking that whole thing up.

Speaker 3:
[34:22] Yeah. And now look, I think there is something to that former athlete thing because when you're a former athlete and you don't complete the journey, so either you get injured or you don't go into draft to a team or you like, you just don't complete it, especially on your own volition. It's like you just get stunted and you're still there.

Speaker 9:
[34:41] I am seeing that now in like My Son 6 in the youth sports room. Those freaking parents, man, who never achieved anything and are just waiting to coach and fucking flip out on their kids. It's like the cycle of drama is gonna continue in the next generation. I'll tell you that right now.

Speaker 8:
[34:57] Oh my God.

Speaker 9:
[34:58] So yeah, there's definitely something to that. I think about like Wes, just like he thinks, it feels like he thinks when he walks into a space, everybody's just like, yes, you know, and it's like, what have you done to wear that type of reaction?

Speaker 3:
[35:10] I don't know.

Speaker 9:
[35:12] Couldn't tell you.

Speaker 3:
[35:13] Couldn't it just wore a tie with no jacket? I don't know. He just thinks he's so cool. It's weird. He thinks he's so cool. He thinks he's so cool.

Speaker 9:
[35:24] It's incredible.

Speaker 3:
[35:27] I think that's why KJ's mad at him too.

Speaker 9:
[35:29] Yeah. Right. Right. Because KJ is cool just by his vibe.

Speaker 3:
[35:32] KJ is cool. Cool.

Speaker 9:
[35:34] Naturally cool. That's the vibe. And there are people that have that, and there are people that don't, and you can tell.

Speaker 3:
[35:40] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he just aligns himself with those people, because I think Dara is cool too.

Speaker 9:
[35:45] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[35:46] Dara has great energy, confident.

Speaker 9:
[35:49] You're right.

Speaker 3:
[35:52] Oh, my God. What a leech, Westling. What a leech. But yeah, we'll see. Oh, wait. Really quick. Mia and Scott, we're watching The Downfall. This is a really sad one for me.

Speaker 9:
[36:04] This is sad as well. I think you don't date people in restaurants. So it's like, that's the lesson I'm learning. I think it's. But seriously, it's such a rough life. I know. I watch all those cooking shows. I know you obviously cook too. But I remember one of the people, it was some show where they were investing in restaurants. They're like, I'll tell you what it's like to own a restaurant. They're like, take all the money you have in your life, put it on a table and light it on fire. He was dead serious. There's a pace to that lifestyle that's really hard to maintain and he's grinding. He obviously sounds like a good chef and shit's going right, but that's not a person that's going to be a great partner. I thought it was so sad when they were in bed and she was like, I needed to hear that from my mom and I think where I'm stagnant is my relationship. It's like, I hate that.

Speaker 3:
[36:53] I hate that too, but she is though, and he has every right to put his career first.

Speaker 9:
[36:58] Totally.

Speaker 3:
[36:58] Because they're not married, he's opening these fancy places, Miami, New York, all these places and they can just, as you said, it's a 24-hour job. I'll never forget working at my uncle's restaurant. I was going to call them the food police. Who are them people who come and do the writing?

Speaker 9:
[37:17] Fuck, what are those people called? The food, whatever. I know who you're talking about.

Speaker 3:
[37:20] Not Food and Drug Administration, because that's exactly what I was going to say, the FDA.

Speaker 9:
[37:23] What the fuck are those people called? You guys know who we're talking about.

Speaker 8:
[37:26] Yeah, we're talking about.

Speaker 3:
[37:27] The inspection.

Speaker 9:
[37:29] Food inspection.

Speaker 3:
[37:29] The people who do the restaurant inspection. They came on his birthday and I remember the waitress telling me, she was like, you know how much the government got to hate you to inspect your restaurant on your birthday?

Speaker 11:
[37:41] Damn, that's dirty.

Speaker 3:
[37:43] He had to leave his birthday dinner with my aunt to come and make sure there was hand soap.

Speaker 9:
[37:49] Your life is your restaurant. I mean, another example of Real Housewives of Rhode Island, that husband with the coffee shop.

Speaker 3:
[37:55] And that's barely even a restaurant.

Speaker 9:
[37:56] Exactly. So imagine a full blown restaurant. He's just got a coffee and ice machine to deal with. A restaurant is like way more.

Speaker 3:
[38:04] So let's go to Real Housewives of Rhode Island because it's the best. Best on Bravo right now, would you say?

Speaker 9:
[38:10] Best on Bravo. And like I said before we start recording, the best start to a franchise that I've ever seen. I've watched every one of these fucking shows. Everyone and to see, like this was the fourth episode. And I was just like, every episode is an absolute banger. The cast is incredible. I mean, obviously I'm from California. So like, I have always had a fascination with the East Coast. Rhode Island seems like a great little pocket of like the East Coast. Like, there's just you got the mob, you got the accents, you got like, it's just I love it so much. I think it's top notch and they cast they cast it honestly perfectly.

Speaker 3:
[38:48] Gold. I didn't know about these accents. It's literally right between Boston and New York accents.

Speaker 9:
[38:53] It's a crazy accent. What was she was saying when what's her name? When she was talking about the Spanish teacher having an affair with the Spanish teacher, teacher. And she kept like in the way she was saying it, like repeatedly, I loved her. She was my Spanish teacher. It's like, wow, this is like, and this is an educated person.

Speaker 3:
[39:11] It's incredible.

Speaker 9:
[39:12] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[39:12] It's great. Oh my gosh. So the last episode of Rhode Island, hold on, let me see if I have notes on it. They went on a little like, you know, in Rhode Island kind of like beachy trip, right? They did the, what were they doing with the railroad? They were doing like some activity with the railroad.

Speaker 9:
[39:34] Yeah, like paddling along. I would have been the person in the back pretending like I was paddling, but really making drinks like, fuck this.

Speaker 3:
[39:42] I was all with Rula who was pouring the drinks. I was in love with it. What do you think about Rula looking the way she does?

Speaker 9:
[39:50] Or what do you mean? Like her, her aesthetic?

Speaker 3:
[39:52] Like, yeah, she looks like she's in crisis to me.

Speaker 9:
[39:55] I mean, obviously I, I cannot believe they made the decision to come on this show. Like I actually, I know it either was him trying to force her hand into a divorce. Like it's, you know, like there's something happening because a lot of we've seen this time and time again on Housewives when a couple in crisis comes on and it feels like an intentional decision to like blow up their lives. Just such a small town, obviously a small region, everybody knows about this affair and then they're like, let's go on this show. It's a wild decision to me.

Speaker 3:
[40:26] Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[40:26] For somebody who sounds like she's going to be married to him no matter what. And then I love when they were like, she was like, we don't believe in divorce. And they're like, haven't you been divorced? She's like, I want to talk about that.

Speaker 3:
[40:35] I think all of them have that moment in the confessionals where they're blatantly lying about something. I'm not a polygamist, I'm not a polygamist. And then she has a boyfriend.

Speaker 9:
[40:43] Yes. I want to see, like I want to kind of shake her. Like I want to be like, wake the fuck up. Yes. I just would like some like authenticity or like, what the fuck do you really think about this?

Speaker 3:
[40:55] You know? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9:
[40:57] It does seem like she's kind of, I don't know, like a little subdued and like, it's fine. It's like, is it fine?

Speaker 3:
[41:03] Definitely not.

Speaker 9:
[41:05] And the whole shit about like, they're calling their work and like, I mean, just that whole scene with them last week was wild.

Speaker 5:
[41:12] It's crazy.

Speaker 9:
[41:14] Crazy.

Speaker 3:
[41:15] And Jo Ellen don't play about wherever she works, which is interesting, because girl, you're going to have to quit in another year and a half. Easily. Like, that's done.

Speaker 9:
[41:22] So yeah, but I agree that's crossing a line and like, they never apologized, even though like, and I thought they handled that well. Like that was a real and see, same thing. Third episode in, you're getting a conversation like that. That would usually be at the finale, you know, and they're just rolling through it.

Speaker 3:
[41:37] Oh, my God. Yeah. Like high school, like people with long standing relationships like they do. Yes, they roll through. They just roll through the punches.

Speaker 9:
[41:45] OK, so Ashley, this is my take on Ashley. She reminds me of Gina from Real Housewives of OC. She is like Gina in another. You don't know Gina. OK, Gina. People who listen will know she's like, there's like a low budget vibe to her that doesn't fit the rest of the cast. And I feel that way about her, too, where it's like, you know, even when she showed up the beach, she's like, I'm just like a normal mom. You know, it's kind of like she's on a different show. I know she's an influencer, but she just feels like a level below in terms of like, she's not really from there. And like, yeah, she's really like, if anybody listens, Gina and Ocie, it's like her, the mirror image, same kind of vibe where it's just like, she feels a little bit like, she's out of place. Yeah, compared to the rest of the cast.

Speaker 3:
[42:34] I really don't like how she's pushing Rosie to have kids.

Speaker 9:
[42:38] Oh yeah, that's weird too.

Speaker 3:
[42:40] I really don't appreciate that. As my friend Vanessa said, who is the mother to twin girls, if it's not a hell yes, it's a hell no.

Speaker 9:
[42:49] I couldn't agree more. You cannot, you're not going to convince, especially nowadays when everybody has access to what motherhood entails, what it really is, and it's just, if you feel really strongly, that's not the right vibe for you, it is not. Do not have a child if you don't think you want to have a child. Then you're just setting both yourself and that kid up in a lifetime of misery. It makes no sense.

Speaker 3:
[43:11] Do not have a child if you maybe think you could. Have a child if you want to have a child. You know what I mean? Like you have to really want it, you gotta be a little delusional. It's like a whole mix of feelings that you have to have. I think it's a really special thing, calling to be a parent.

Speaker 9:
[43:26] It absolutely is. And there's nothing that will change your life more. So you gotta be in. Exactly, you know what I mean? Like, you're sending me voice notes whispering in the bathroom. I got ready for a wedding like in the dark one time when Sterling was napping, like, you know what I mean? Like, your life will forever be altered and it's great and beautiful and messy and terrible all at the same time. But like, you have to be ready.

Speaker 3:
[43:48] Yeah, and you shouldn't have to want it.

Speaker 9:
[43:51] Yeah, and you can't put a cute kid in front of them and be like, don't you want this? It's like, take the kid when you have to tell them to put their shoes on 15 times and tell them if you want it. Like, come on. Yeah, I didn't like that.

Speaker 3:
[44:03] I didn't hate it. I was triggered. And my kid was right next to me and was like, I hate this. Why is she saying this?

Speaker 9:
[44:08] How do you feel about Liz?

Speaker 3:
[44:11] I like Liz. She's getting to this, like, iconic status with the fandom. Don't like that. I feel like she's going to show up to the reunion. Big britches, big, big boots. And I don't like that. I don't like that at all.

Speaker 9:
[44:22] She does a lot of, like, interviews where she's, like, looking. Like, there's something, like, I don't know. Like, the way she talks and, like, how she's looking off. And sometimes she's looking at the camera. Sometimes she's looking down.

Speaker 3:
[44:34] Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[44:35] Like, a little medicated or something.

Speaker 3:
[44:37] A little bit, yeah. Almost like she's slumped over like this, right? Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[44:41] And, like, sometimes, like, it's a direct question. She's, like, looking down and over. It's like, what is happening? I like her, though. And I like her.

Speaker 3:
[44:49] I like her, too.

Speaker 9:
[44:49] I have opulence. I like that house. I like the wealth. You know?

Speaker 3:
[44:54] It looks like a...

Speaker 9:
[44:55] I don't even know what that house looks like. It looks like it belongs, like, Switzerland or something.

Speaker 3:
[44:59] But it looks like, um, the inside of it, at least, it looks like the house of the witch from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Remember that witch?

Speaker 9:
[45:06] Yes!

Speaker 3:
[45:07] Carmen, whatever her name was.

Speaker 9:
[45:08] I forget her name. Same vibe! Oh my God, if it's Carmen, your memory is incredible. You still got it.

Speaker 3:
[45:14] I know, I know.

Speaker 1:
[45:15] Bravo.

Speaker 9:
[45:16] Isn't that sick? All of the Bravo facts that just, like, circulate in your head. Yeah, I think Liz is great. I can't believe how much her and Dolores look like. Like, that... I've never seen anything like that. It's incredible. Like, they look the same.

Speaker 3:
[45:31] The obviousness of them going to the same surgeon is, like, really just jarring, almost. It would be something to study, I think, if I was in some sort of class where we're talking about sociology. I think that'd be an interesting one.

Speaker 9:
[45:47] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[45:47] The housewives are now morphing into one another.

Speaker 9:
[45:49] Yes, I would love to see a group of women from the same surgeon and, like, see if they all look similar, you know? It's like you're creating your own little, like, bot army of people that have the same vibe.

Speaker 3:
[45:59] I know, I know. And people, I've seen a lot of papers about that related to AI and about how, like, we're used to looking at faces that are altered. Yes. And how, like, yeah, wow, it's scary.

Speaker 9:
[46:11] So sad, yeah. My last, last on Real Housewives of Rhode Island, I think Alicia is top tier television.

Speaker 4:
[46:18] Top, top, top, top.

Speaker 3:
[46:19] You saw her on One Tribe in Five?

Speaker 9:
[46:21] Yeah. So I saw the explanation for her running somebody over, which was, like, incredible, that story. She ran into my car. She flew on the windshield. I had to chase her down. It's like, what is happening?

Speaker 3:
[46:31] That's not what happened, Alicia.

Speaker 9:
[46:34] No, definitely not. I think she's top tier. And I love that there's, like, a mess with her, too. She's not married. Like, what's the deal? That nine years engaged.

Speaker 3:
[46:44] Nine. I feel like over four, you're probably not getting married. And she's very clearly on here because she cannot be bothered to look at Excel, Google Sheets, nothing. She is another one. She does not want to have a job. She is a job. And she needs the way out. Her and Kelsey.

Speaker 9:
[47:05] Yes. Kelsey. My God, I love her family, though. Alicia's family. I love the job, but the bounty of ridiculous women. I think that's great. I'm into it, but I agree with you. Like I think the problem with some of this is like when you set you've seen it time and time again on Housewives. If you are succumbing to a man being in charge of your finances, that shit will bite you in the ass every time. Other than like Heather DeBrow, I guess. Like you need like surgeon money.

Speaker 3:
[47:31] Right. Right. Yeah. Or a brawn one.

Speaker 9:
[47:34] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[47:35] Well, we'll see.

Speaker 9:
[47:36] We'll see how she fares in that divorce.

Speaker 12:
[47:38] I know. I know.

Speaker 3:
[47:39] Might not be good.

Speaker 9:
[47:40] But yeah, I think if Real Housewives of Rhode Island is like, this is what I want in Housewives, a group of women that know each other, who have history, who are ridiculous personalities, not anybody you want to hang out in real life, great television. Like that's the recipe. That's it.

Speaker 3:
[47:56] Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[47:57] You don't need to get a random group together. Like that's why I'm concerned about New York.

Speaker 3:
[48:01] New York, Geneva. I'm very concerned about New York.

Speaker 9:
[48:04] I am as well. Oh my God.

Speaker 3:
[48:07] Because none of the women who I want to be on there want to be on there.

Speaker 9:
[48:10] Right.

Speaker 3:
[48:10] Hannah Bronfman don't want to be on there. Yeah. For I don't even know what reason.

Speaker 9:
[48:14] Yeah. I don't know either.

Speaker 3:
[48:16] The lady from the cutter room floor, she don't want to be on there. There's just so many girls who could be on there. They're like, no, I'm not going to be a housewife.

Speaker 9:
[48:25] Yeah. And you gotta, I think the other thing about this group is they wanna elevate, it's almost like they wanna elevate Rhode Island.

Speaker 1:
[48:33] Yes, the state.

Speaker 9:
[48:34] It's not even about them. It's like, we're reppin the state. That's why you need that level of commitment, you know?

Speaker 3:
[48:41] Yes.

Speaker 9:
[48:42] They want people to know about Rhode Island. That's what we need. Find us another one of those. You don't need to just put people into a cast in New York just because we're in New York. I don't want that.

Speaker 3:
[48:53] You're morphing into Westchester. Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[48:56] There we go.

Speaker 3:
[48:58] Give me the upper.

Speaker 9:
[48:59] Give me Connecticut.

Speaker 3:
[49:00] Let's go. Give me Connecticut. Give me Louisiana.

Speaker 9:
[49:04] Or give me, the real one I want is give me bougie Boston. I don't know what that area is called, but give me that because you know there's going to be some fun. You're going to have some Irish alcoholics. You're going to have great accents. That's the vibe and that's the direction I think they have to take housewives. Some of these franchises, they really should just like let's cut it and let's be H.

Speaker 3:
[49:27] Yeah, we got to cut it.

Speaker 9:
[49:29] Yeah, and I like Rachel's. Oh, just give her her own show.

Speaker 3:
[49:32] I love Rachel's and Amanda. Amanda's man, wild, but it's good television. Delusional, very delusional lying scamming, but it's exhausting for the rest of the cast to be around her because she's a lying scammer. Right, so just give her her own platform.

Speaker 9:
[49:47] Yeah, platformer. But I feel like, yeah, I just, I can't watch these old ass like OC for years. It's just been, let's keep throwing people around, seeing if it works and guess what? It does not. We need this. So I just, I want to sing it from the mountaintops, that this is what I want and they need more of it.

Speaker 3:
[50:08] I know. Oh my God. Thank you, Geneva, so much for joining us today. That was so fun, as always. This is incredible. I'm really hoping to have you back for Secret Lives because everybody has a different take on their favorite.

Speaker 9:
[50:21] Oh man, I was rewatching because I thought we were going to talk that. I was rewatching one of the episodes and I was like, God, my God, this show, it's just like, it is a mess with a capital M and I'm here for it. I can't believe they were filming, I mean, think of next season. What are we going to get?

Speaker 3:
[50:38] It's going to be incredible. She talks today about picking up the cameras today.

Speaker 9:
[50:43] I saw.

Speaker 3:
[50:43] And TFP is back.

Speaker 9:
[50:45] She's there, she's there.

Speaker 3:
[50:47] She just posts on Instagram, my healing journey, I'm healing, I'm healing. Nope, I'm working.

Speaker 9:
[50:53] I think the good thing about her is she is amplifying the fuck out of her entire message. You know what I mean? She goes hard in the paint on social in a way that some people will hide and she's like, fuck you guys. I almost applaud that. It's like, you know, be you all the way through. So I'll be tuning in for sure.

Speaker 3:
[51:12] Yeah, definitely. And knowing them will premiere in a month.

Speaker 9:
[51:15] Yeah. They crank that shit out.

Speaker 3:
[51:16] That's the other thing.

Speaker 9:
[51:17] Do that. Give us something every three months. Just keep it going. Keep the cameras rolling always.

Speaker 3:
[51:23] That's what I want.

Speaker 9:
[51:25] That is what I want.

Speaker 1:
[51:26] Oh my God.

Speaker 9:
[51:27] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[51:28] Let's get into the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives S4E4. So they're at Whitney's event and they're talking about the aftermath of Demi coming just guns blazing with lies, fistful of lies at this reunion. This reunion, I thought, was a real pivotal one for the cast and how they looked. And Hulu, NBC, or Hulu, Disney and Warner Brothers, because they let Dakota talk by himself. And they let Dakota make the rules. I could not imagine one housewife allowing someone's husband to make the rules. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[52:15] Do you think it made Dakota look better or worse?

Speaker 3:
[52:18] Way worse.

Speaker 4:
[52:20] That's why they did it.

Speaker 3:
[52:21] Yeah. Yeah. Because I agree.

Speaker 4:
[52:24] I think that it was like, you think you're so smart. You think you're so manipulative. And you've gotten away with it for so long. And I wish that we would talk more about this. Like, I know people think I can't stand Taylor Frankie Paul, and that's not true. I said she shouldn't do that. What? Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[52:39] That's crazy.

Speaker 4:
[52:40] But I mean, like, I'm indifferent. I don't care. I don't like her and I don't dislike her. I don't know her. And that's the truth. Like, oh, my God, you went to the special? Yeah, I did. I actually genuinely like the other bachelorettes. I actually like I'm not the person who goes, the bachelorette who goes on another show, like Watch What Happens Live and is like takes joy in ignoring text messages and conversations with other bachelorettes. I know that's who people think I am. I'm actually not that person. I genuinely have relationships with some of these bachelorettes, not all of them. Yeah. And when we all get together, it's fun. I was in a sorority. I love that life. I'm not going to say I'm a girl's girl because I actually don't like that term. I don't like people have to profess that. I just am who I am and I like energy and I have real relationships with some of these women.

Speaker 3:
[53:30] Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[53:31] So I enjoy that. And so I was eager to get with those women and I thought I was going to have to leave early and I ended up going to dinner and we had drinks. We had the best time. It's just fun and we're catching up with each other and life is lifeing and all of these people who supported each other through breakups, divorces, babies, all of that. Becca and Jojo were pregnant there.

Speaker 6:
[53:57] It was great.

Speaker 4:
[53:59] It doesn't have anything to do with me being a super fan of Taylor. She's the reason we got together and for that I'm thankful. But I don't like her. I don't know her. But I say all that to say, I think people think that I come down on her. I just, I don't. But Dakota, I wish people would talk more about the fact that this man is an addict and Taylor is his new addiction. And that is how he acts. And Taylor, as we see in this season, has abandonment issues, real issues that her mother's still working through on her own personal side. And these two things coming together. You know how people say twin flames are not supposed to be together? Because it's too much. That's almost what they are.

Speaker 3:
[54:45] Yes, for sure.

Speaker 4:
[54:47] Perfect storm of chaos. And it's like they're magnets and now they can't separate it because the force is too much. It's too strong for trauma. That's what we're seeing play out. And going back to people being naive, that's what the producers are able to capitalize on with this show. Yes, she's......Dakota because Dakota thinks he's like so smart.

Speaker 3:
[55:10] So smart. Yeah, that's why I think they also get into almost like they make a kink out of it. We see Taylor talk about it when she talks about how she was getting off on him, saying that he couldn't think of anybody but her when he was having sex with somebody else. Like she is getting off on this in a very addictive kind of manner. So yeah, that's interesting. Very interesting. So she, they're at Taylor's house, they're eating bagels, talking about how this man, who she plucked off of TikTok live. She is all over TikTok with this man right after she announces she's going to be the bachelorette. I didn't pay attention to these moves that she was making. These are very interesting moves, Taylor, that you're making.

Speaker 4:
[55:54] With the guy that she brought in?

Speaker 3:
[55:56] Yeah, with Ben. His name is Ben, apparently.

Speaker 4:
[55:59] That did not get back to me. She brought his name in.

Speaker 3:
[56:01] Oh, yeah. Flew him out.

Speaker 4:
[56:03] The other thing that stood out to me is when she was like, I was shocked that he wanted to be on camera. Girl.

Speaker 3:
[56:10] That's the only reason. It's not even.

Speaker 4:
[56:11] I was shocked that he wanted to meet all those people.

Speaker 6:
[56:13] Girl, there's a camera here.

Speaker 3:
[56:15] Yeah. Yeah. Stop. Yeah, please. Then she has the nerve, audacity, and gall to slide into Harry Jouzzy's, or Harry Jouzzy slides into her DMs, and Jessie kind of does this whole thing. Harry Jouzzy is like a personal villain of mine, and it's only me.

Speaker 4:
[56:39] Who is he? Help me, Justine, understand who this man is and why I know him. What would he come from? People always talk about industry plans, like this week is thrown around. I don't get it. I don't want to. I am trying to understand why this man is all.

Speaker 3:
[56:59] Who is he? So he, I was introduced for him from Perfect Match, but I think he was on like a Too Hot to Handle. It might have been Too Hot to Handle UK. So like Netflix shows, I want to say. Then he moved on. He did OnlyFans.

Speaker 4:
[57:17] Oh, okay. Does he actually like really OnlyFans?

Speaker 3:
[57:21] Oh, yeah, he was. He was OnlyFan-ing. Okay, so he's from the same. Then there was some, I want to say, some really strong, strong claims of bisexuality as well.

Speaker 4:
[57:32] Does he admit that?

Speaker 3:
[57:34] No, I think for PR. I think for PR, he was like messing around with a gay man on Instagram for a little while. Then now he has a podcast with Unwell, obviously. Because if you are a white villain on TV, where do you go first? Ms. Cooper, Cooper's House.

Speaker 4:
[57:52] The irony and the name of that with the exposition stuff that's coming out this week.

Speaker 3:
[57:57] I know. Shout out to Ashley at Bloomberg, wrote that expose. They call up Harry Jowsey while they're in California, watching Jen and Whitney fulfill their dreams of being on Dancing with the Stars. I really thought we were going to meet Jen's mom this episode. I'm very curious about Jen's mom.

Speaker 4:
[58:20] We've seen her though.

Speaker 3:
[58:22] Jen's mom? We have seen her.

Speaker 4:
[58:23] Yeah. In the first season, I feel like there's a scene.

Speaker 3:
[58:28] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[58:29] Maybe not an actual scene, but a fate of her with her mom. But maybe it was a picture. I feel like we saw her mom. I feel like her mom either she doesn't speak English, or she doesn't speak English well. Yeah. Jen doesn't speak Spanish, but she understands it.

Speaker 3:
[58:47] Right.

Speaker 4:
[58:48] So that must have played out on the show.

Speaker 3:
[58:50] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[58:51] It was very quick.

Speaker 3:
[58:52] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[58:53] Or I dreamed it, but I'm pretty sure that we saw that. But yes, because her mom is such a fan of the show. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[59:00] Her mom seems to be like, this is my mom's dream for me to do Dancing with the Stars. I was like, I want to see more about this stage mom that apparently you have, especially because you're 26-year-old mom of four. I'd like to see more about that. Also, I have affinity for Jen because she's the only one who popped up on my TikTok organically.

Speaker 4:
[59:22] Oh, I like Jen.

Speaker 3:
[59:24] I'm a Jen apologist.

Speaker 4:
[59:28] I mean, Justin and I said this one time, it's like, just admit you're jealous of Whitney and what she's doing on the show because that's what that is. That's the only negative thing I would say about her right now. I mean, it's asking for itself, but yeah, like I like Jen.

Speaker 3:
[59:44] Yeah, I like her too. And they also call Dakota over to the house for the Dancing with the Stars watch party. I guess they're calling this. I really hate how this guy Jordan is advocating for this abuser, an addict and everything to like, just be a part of the group, guys. When you guys know that this is a man who's abusive to his baby's mother. You know this and you still call him up, but then the girls have to like give up filming in the name of motherhood. When Taylor has this video come out, it really, Rachel, it just bakes my biscuits that they have to do this.

Speaker 4:
[60:29] It is, you guys should definitely check out the Patreon version of the show where we get into the patriarchy of it all and how white men are centered in this social system that exists within our society. But that is what, I mean, like you can't tell me, these men might be religious, but how attractive is it to become a part of a religion that centers the man and the woman is there purposefully to build a family for you and to uplift and support whatever it is that you want to do. And that is what they signed up for in these marriages. Now these women create a mom talk. Now these women are stars. I mean, Jen is carrying the whole family on her back. Les has built Jay-Z styles. Yeah. It's in Utah, but they seem to be able, they're working outside of it.

Speaker 3:
[61:28] They ship worldwide, I'm sure.

Speaker 4:
[61:30] Yeah, these women are the stars and these men are in the background. And that is not what they signed up for at the beginning of these marriages. So quite naturally, they create a dad talk. And somehow, we subscribe to the Mormon culture. And would Jordan uplift this? And instead, as I know some people, they refer to it as dud talk. Nobody asked for this. Nobody wanted this. And so when I see Jordan and how he's acting with Dakota, Jordan is a horcrux. And I don't even watch Harry Potter and I know what that is. Like Jordan attaches himself to people.

Speaker 3:
[62:11] Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[62:11] Sucks the life out of them. He's doing it with Jesse and now with Dakota.

Speaker 3:
[62:16] He's a scholar.

Speaker 4:
[62:17] So he you know, there's allegations of emotional abuse with that Jordan, you know, exhibits towards Jesse. So I'm not surprised that he is willing to go over it with Dakota because it's man above everything. Except for Connor. Now Connor had his moment. He won't go through it. Okay. Connor put himself in his knees first. Connor has to deem to himself.

Speaker 3:
[62:47] He just stands in the background. He is literally the background vocal, the background dancer.

Speaker 4:
[62:51] And he seems to be okay with it.

Speaker 9:
[62:53] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[62:53] He's great with it.

Speaker 4:
[62:53] He does his magic tricks and takes care of the kids, finds his outlet, gives great advice. He really seems to be stepping into it. Now, we could be wrong. We don't know what's going on behind closed doors. But at least that's what he's giving. So, yeah, like I'm not surprised at Jordan's behavior and calling Dakota. Jordan is chaotic. It's like he's going to tell on this. He's going to throw Dakota under the bus, but that's probably how he made it up to him. We see him throw him under the bus at the beginning of the episode. But I'm going to invite you to this to redeem myself.

Speaker 3:
[63:23] Yep. Yep. But unfortunately for them, the real star of the show, Harry Jowsey, comes waltzing in because he's 6 foot 5. He's still got hair. He seemingly did not go to Turkey. He's into moms. He had a mom fetish thing on Perfect Match. Oh, did? Yes, he did. Yes, he did. So they love him. It's like a white woman thing. And that's, I think, why I'm like, so because I'm like, guys, he's not cute. What? I know.

Speaker 4:
[63:54] But also, the way they were acting with him coming just also shows to what we were talking about at the top of this episode about just like how naïve and unaware.

Speaker 3:
[64:04] Exactly. They were so giddy. Yeah, to see him.

Speaker 4:
[64:07] Oh my gosh, Harry just DM me. Oh my gosh, we call him, put him on speaker. Oh my gosh, Harry's here.

Speaker 10:
[64:11] Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god.

Speaker 4:
[64:13] And they were just like, Harry, Harry, Harry, Harry, Harry. And I'll be honest, a part of me finds it just a little endearing because they're not, they don't act too cool for school.

Speaker 3:
[64:25] Because they don't do any better.

Speaker 4:
[64:28] I didn't, I'm not saying I liked it, but I was like, oh, you don't really get to see this on TV because he went on, if he went on another show, they'd be like, I have no idea who he is. I don't know if that was true or not, or, oh, that's hilarious. They genuinely were excited for this guy and were fans, and you see that come out. Didn't love it, but it was interesting.

Speaker 3:
[64:51] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[64:51] The guys are like, aw, they're actually excited.

Speaker 3:
[64:55] Yeah. So we'll see because it looks like nobody messes with him. Maybe Miranda does. I'm team Miranda for Bachelorette. I think during this whole episode, she was vying for herself to be Bachelorette, that was very interesting in her confessionals. She was doing a lot of, I want to have love. He's not here. He's not in Utah. I want to find love. I thought it was very fascinating.

Speaker 4:
[65:17] Yeah. I don't want to see Miranda's Bachelorette.

Speaker 3:
[65:19] Why?

Speaker 4:
[65:20] I like her. I like her. I like her friendship with Layla. She seems to be very normal and honest. She's like, yeah, I joined MomTalk for the money. Yeah, I came back. I want to take over the money. We love that. I think I'm over anybody from this franchise becoming the Bachelorette.

Speaker 3:
[65:42] I understand that.

Speaker 4:
[65:44] Yeah. She might be great. It's not personal. It's just like this point.

Speaker 7:
[65:50] No.

Speaker 4:
[65:52] I don't know if I want anybody. I definitely don't want one of the Nader sisters to do it.

Speaker 3:
[65:58] Where is that show on? Is that on? It's Hulu. Okay.

Speaker 4:
[66:03] Hulu. Yeah. I think I just would go with somebody else.

Speaker 3:
[66:10] Somebody who's not so overexposed. Yeah. These are the real.

Speaker 4:
[66:13] You don't have to know them. I mean, I got it for this season. It was a business decision to save it. It was desperate and it felt that way and I understood it. I was like, yeah, it's a business decision. It makes sense. I thought that you had vetted everything out. We knew about 2023. I would have thought if there was a video, we would have already seen it. I would have thought...

Speaker 3:
[66:34] I think they did...

Speaker 4:
[66:35] .watching Mormon Wives, that when you saw what you had in the can for season 4, you would have been like, maybe this isn't what we needed. Right.

Speaker 3:
[66:46] Maybe we should put the... push this back. Just a couple weeks.

Speaker 4:
[66:50] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[66:50] Just a couple weeks. If you could do Claretasia as fast as they did Claretasia, they could do it. They could replace it real quick.

Speaker 4:
[66:56] Who would you have asked for?

Speaker 3:
[66:58] I would have asked for number one, Miranda. Because she, to me, is the only one who seems like she really wants a man. I think a bunch of the other ones need to try women. Yeah, I do. I do feel that way. So Miranda, number one. Then number two, I would definitely start hunting in the California, Texas, Florida trio and to start hunting for these people. Because someone found Alandria and DM'ed her for three years straight. I have a friend, yep, she was asked to be on the show three times and she went on the third time. I have a friend in New York right now who just broke up with her boyfriend. She would be perfect. She just got to have a 10-year relationship and he's a loser. I would have loved to have her be the best. She's 31. She's a boss bitch. She's just a 10. I would love to see her do it. She's Staten Island. She's got a real thick accent. She's got a real fun personality. I would love to see her do it. But there's people like her, like my friend who are just out in the world. Then you just DM them on TikTok and you can see how dynamic they are. It's so much easier now, I think, than it was before even.

Speaker 4:
[68:14] I think so too.

Speaker 3:
[68:16] We've said before on the show, you would have to have a resume of your last three exes have to submit a good word or a word in about you and who you were.

Speaker 4:
[68:30] I like this a lot.

Speaker 3:
[68:32] That would be our rules for Bachelorette.

Speaker 4:
[68:34] Well, I hope somebody is taking note because I think good suggestions were made.

Speaker 3:
[68:39] Yes, I think so too. If you want to hear all of Rachel's, like such good hot takes, please join us on Patreon for this episode. Rachel, thank you so, so much for joining me today. Oh my gosh. This is so much fun. Please leave us a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, join the Rose Garden on Patreon. Find us on Instagram, TikTok. Follow Rachel, listen to Higher Learning, listen to Morally Corrupt. You can start every day with Rachel if you want to. And we will see you guys next time. Bye. Bye.