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Speaker 1:
[00:02] Iran seized two ships in the Strait of Hormuz. The White House says it's not a ceasefire violation because neither of them was American or Israeli. Meanwhile, a journalist was killed by an Israeli airstrike on Lebanon even as ambassadors meet today to extend their ceasefire. I'm Michelle Martin, and this is Up First from NPR News. The Secretary of the Navy is out. It's the latest in more than 30 high level dismissals at the Pentagon under Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth. And this one comes as the war in Iran is at its 8th week. Is this level of turnover a problem? And the president's economic approval rating is on a downward turn. The Iran war is two weeks past his own deadline. His tariffs were struck down by the Supreme Court and the Republican redistricting push could backfire too. We'll examine President Trump's political position ahead of fall's midterm elections. Stay with us. We'll give you news you need to start your day. Iran has tightened control on the Strait of Hormuz while the US continues to claim success in its blockade of Iranian ports in the strategic waterway. Iran is still not officially acknowledging a unilateral US ceasefire declared by President Trump. For more, we go to NPR's Jane Araf in Amman, Jordan. Jane, hello.

Speaker 2:
[01:15] Hi, Michelle.

Speaker 1:
[01:16] So there's been a flurry of competing messages over what's happening in the Strait since US warships in the Indian Ocean began efforts to intercept the traffic there. So what do we know about what's going on?

Speaker 2:
[01:27] Well, Iran yesterday fired on three ships, seizing two of them in the Strait of Hormuz, that narrow waterway between Iran and Amman. It released video with dramatic music swelling, an Iranian gunboat and troops boarding one of the container ships that were taken to Iranian port. It's the first time in this war that they have seized vessels. The US military put out a release noting that it had 10,000 personnel and 17 warships. As part of its blockade of the Strait of Hormuz, it said it directed 31 vessels to change course since beginning it this month. And it said the majority complied. It wasn't clear what happened to the others.

Speaker 1:
[02:11] So well, it seems like that release is an effort to show that the US really still is in charge. But having said that, there do seem to be attempts by the president to de-escalate. Can you tell us about those?

Speaker 2:
[02:22] Absolutely. Earlier this week, President Trump had threatened to bomb all Iranian bridges and power plants. Yesterday, he wrote that he had been informed that eight female protesters who were to be executed in Iran last night would no longer be killed. He said four were going to be released immediately and four sentenced to short prison terms. And he also said, quote, I very much appreciate that Iran and its leaders respected my request as president of the United States. Very different tone there. Iran's judiciary, though, disputed that. It said some of those arrested had already been released, some of those women, the others had not been sentenced, and if convicted, they would receive prison sentences rather than death sentences.

Speaker 1:
[03:12] So there's a parallel war going on in Lebanon between Israel and the militant group Hezbollah. So what's happening with that ceasefire?

Speaker 2:
[03:19] Yeah. Israeli airstrikes in the south killed at least five people yesterday, including a Lebanese newspaper journalist. Her name was Amal Khalil. She and another journalist were in a vehicle when an Israeli airstrike hit a nearby vehicle. They took refuge in a house. Then that house was hit by Israeli airstrikes. A Lebanese medic said they rescued the wounded journalist with her, but then came under Israeli fire and had to retreat. She died under the rubble. Israel said it was responding to an imminent threat, and the incident was under review. Hezbollah responded to those Israeli attacks with drone and rocket strikes. But this afternoon in Washington, Israeli and Lebanese diplomats are meeting for a second round of talks. Those talks are aimed at extending a truce and paving the way for future talks.

Speaker 1:
[04:14] That is NPR's Jane Arraff and Amman Jordan. Jane, thank you.

Speaker 2:
[04:17] Thank you.

Speaker 1:
[04:18] As the naval blockade of Iran continues, the US. Secretary of the Navy, John Phelan, has been forced out of his job. This is the latest in a series of high-level dismissals at the Pentagon under Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, and it comes at a time when the Navy is playing a key role in the war in Iran. For more on this, we're joined now by NPR National Security correspondent, Greg Meier. Greg, good morning to you.

Speaker 3:
[04:38] Hi, Michelle.

Speaker 1:
[04:39] So what does John Phelan's dismissal as Navy secretary mean at a moment when the US is at war?

Speaker 3:
[04:45] Yeah, John Phelan was the Navy's top civilian leader. It's a very important position, but we should stress he was not part of the military chain of command. He wasn't responsible for any day-to-day operations taking place in the Middle East. His role was the big picture to oversee the Navy's budget, its personnel, its effort to build more ships, which President Trump considers a top priority. Just the day before his ouster on Tuesday, Phelan spoke at a conference about the Navy's upcoming budget, which calls for building more than 30 new ships, part of what's being called the Golden Fleet. And there's even this talk about a Trump battleship. Part of Phelan's speech was posted on social media, saying, quote, to be a superpower, a nation must be a sea power. And this is the opening move to strengthen American maritime dominance.

Speaker 1:
[05:37] So tell us more about Phelan and why Trump appointed him to this position in the first place.

Speaker 3:
[05:43] So Phelan has no naval experience, but he did have a relationship with Trump. Phelan was a major donor to Trump during the 2024 presidential campaign. He's a billionaire businessman. He ran an investment firm in Palm Beach. So he was very much part of Trump's orbit in Florida. Trump appointed Phelan to the position last year at the start of Trump's second term. And it's unusual, though not unprecedented, to appoint someone as a service secretary who doesn't have relevant military experience. Most often it's someone who has served in the military at some point in his or her life.

Speaker 1:
[06:21] Did the Pentagon give a reason for his dismissal? No.

Speaker 3:
[06:24] His abrupt departure was announced in a brief statement on Axe by the Pentagon. That said, Phelan was, quote, departing the administration effective immediately. We wish him well in his future endeavors. The Navy's undersecretary, Hung Kao, becomes the acting Navy secretary for the moment. Now at the official level, that's all we have. But there were signs of tension between Phelan and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth. We've seen people around Phelan being dismissed. The issues seem to include personal friction, as well as the way the shipbuilding effort was being handled. Now Senator Jack Reed of Rhode Island, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Armed Services Committee, called Phelan's dismissal, quote, another example of the instability and dysfunction that have come to define the Department of Defense under President Trump and Secretary Hegseth.

Speaker 1:
[07:17] So what's the bigger picture of turnover at the Pentagon?

Speaker 3:
[07:20] Yeah, Hegseth has been dismissing senior officials immediately when he arrived at the Pentagon, usually without offering a reason. By one recent count, that number now tops 30, many of them generals and admirals. This has now continued nonstop for well over a year. Earlier this month, the Army Chief of Staff, General Randy George, was forced to retire after a 40-year military career. This reflects Hegseth's stated desire to overhaul the Pentagon leadership. It's certainly not a great optic in a moment when the US is in the middle of this war with Iran, though it seems likely to continue. Hegseth appears to have Trump's full support for now.

Speaker 1:
[08:00] That's NPR's Greg Meyer. Greg, thank you.

Speaker 3:
[08:03] Sure thing, Michelle.

Speaker 1:
[08:05] President Trump is facing an uphill battle in convincing American voters that he has a handle on the war with Iran, and he's having a bad week with his other policies too. Businesses can now request their money back after his tariff program was rejected by the Supreme Court. Virginians voted in favor of Democrats' push to remake the midterms map there. That's in response to the president's moves elsewhere. And polling shows the president's approval rating on the economy is tanking even further. It's putting the GOP in a tough spot ahead of the midterms in the fall. NPR White House correspondent, Deepa Shivram, is with us now to talk this through. Good morning, Deepa.

Speaker 4:
[08:37] Good morning, Michelle.

Speaker 1:
[08:38] All right, so let's start with Iran. The war is now eight weeks in after the president said it would only last, what, six weeks. So how is the White House trying to explain this?

Speaker 4:
[08:48] Yeah, I mean, the timeline hasn't exactly been lining up with what the president has said, and he just keeps saying that the war will end soon. Trump extended the ceasefire again this week, and White House Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt spoke with reporters yesterday. She insisted that the cards are in the president's hands and that Trump will decide when the ceasefire is over, although no details there on when that actually will happen. In the meantime, Leavitt emphasized that the administration sees the blockade in this trade of horror moves as successful and is basically hammering Iran's economy. Trump has spent a lot of time focusing on this conflict in the last two months. He keeps trying to argue why it was necessary, but at this point, he doesn't have much to show for it. Voters are consistently unhappy with the war and how Trump has handled it.

Speaker 1:
[09:33] And voters are unhappy with his handling of the economy too. And some of that is related to the war because of all that we've been reporting about the Strait of Hormuz, how much oil and commerce goes through there. But on top of that, his tariff policy hasn't gone as planned and neither has redistricting efforts to remake the election map. I mean, it seems almost like the president's priorities are almost working against him.

Speaker 4:
[09:56] Yeah, I mean, there was new polling that came out from the Associated Press and NORC at the University of Chicago this week that shows some bad numbers for Trump. His approval rating on the economy has dropped from 38 percent last month down to 30 percent this month. And his approval on specifically the cost of living, Michel has lowered even among his own Republican supporters. On tariffs, like you mentioned, Trump spent a lot of time talking up how beneficial tariffs would be. So now that companies are able to request these refunds, it's another loss for him there. And in Virginia, voters narrowly chose to remake the election map in a way that could favor Democrats in this year's midterms. Though a Virginia state judge blocked the certification of those results on Wednesday, the state has promised to appeal. But on Trump's end, Trump has advocated for red states to try and remake their maps in favor of Republicans. So yeah, another example here of Trump's plans kind of blowing back against him. I talked to Brennan Steinhauser, who's a Republican strategist and has worked on campaigns in Texas. He said when it comes to Trump's second term, the president may have bitten off more than he can chew.

Speaker 5:
[10:58] I do think he's probably picked too many fights and he's probably stretched himself very thin. But it's still relatively early in his second term and I think he can right the ship. But obviously he has a lot of headwinds against him.

Speaker 4:
[11:12] And he says Trump has to find a way to better explain the higher costs that have come from the war right now, Steinhauser says Trump isn't really doing that.

Speaker 1:
[11:20] And where does this all leave Republicans who are facing a tight midterm election and who need Trump to help them win?

Speaker 4:
[11:27] Yeah, typically a midterm's race after a presidential election does not favor the incumbent party in the White House. And right now Republicans in competitive seats are in an even tougher spot with how voters are feeling about the economy and Trump. Steinhauser says GOP candidates are going to have to tackle that topic of costs and portability head on because it's going to be the number one issue in November. And he says when it comes to Trump, some Republicans may even try to avoid talking about him at all.

Speaker 1:
[11:52] That is, and here's Deepa Shivaram. Deepa, thank you.

Speaker 4:
[11:55] Thank you.

Speaker 1:
[12:00] And that's Up First for Thursday, April 23rd. I'm Michel Martin. Today's episode of Up First was edited by Ruth Sherlock, Andrew Sussman, Rebecca Metzler, Mohammed El-Bardisi and Lindsay Tadi. It was produced by Zia Butch and Nia Dumas. Our director is Christopher Thomas. We get engineering support from Nisha Hines. Our technical director is Carly Strange, and our deputy executive producer is Kelly Dickens. We hope you'll join us again tomorrow.