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Speaker 1:
[00:00] Track this up here, just bumping it, boy.

Speaker 2:
[00:02] No, I'm talking-

Speaker 1:
[00:03] You're running it. I ain't listening to shit.

Speaker 2:
[00:05] Listen.

Speaker 1:
[00:05] He's running it.

Speaker 2:
[00:07] First of all, I'ma be honest with you, them shoes so fucking big, I feel like I got a gun in my face. That shit look like AOSS. Caliber's shoe is fat. That shit look like you put the foot up of somebody's ass, they in trouble. Yeah, yeah, what up, y'all? It's your boy Joe Crack the Don.

Speaker 3:
[00:39] You know who it is, your boy Jada. It's the Joe and Jada Show. Every show legendary, every show iconic. My man got that lavender shit on it, ain't so real.

Speaker 2:
[00:50] No, but Saenz Sloak, you lookin like Teddy Buckskin right now. You got that shit on. Y'all been showin me a little rib, a little Gucci shit. Yo, you gettin money, man. God damn, this guy right here, he look like a Huxtable right now.

Speaker 3:
[01:07] You thinkin today's guest? You think of one of the most gifted scorers the NBA's ever seen.

Speaker 2:
[01:17] Right, right, true, true.

Speaker 3:
[01:18] You think of seven time All-Star.

Speaker 2:
[01:23] Right, right.

Speaker 3:
[01:24] Two time scoring champion.

Speaker 2:
[01:26] Off the backboard.

Speaker 3:
[01:27] You never seen him in college cause he didn't attend college.

Speaker 4:
[01:33] Great father. Hall of Famer.

Speaker 3:
[01:40] So, real good person, you know what I mean? If you know him, you know him. If you don't, you want to know him. Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for my brother, Tracy T. McGrady.

Speaker 1:
[01:56] Yes, sir.

Speaker 2:
[01:57] A one-time Knick.

Speaker 1:
[01:58] Yes, sir. Hey, yo.

Speaker 3:
[02:00] He was even on the Knick for a minute. He was even on the Knicks for a hot check.

Speaker 2:
[02:05] Oh, you don't want that one, huh? He don't want that.

Speaker 5:
[02:07] He said, yo, yo.

Speaker 1:
[02:09] Yo, nah, if I was T. Mac at the time with the Knicks, yeah, we definitely could celebrate that. But I had, you know, transformed into Tracy, so. Yeah. We're going to stop talking about, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[02:20] Why we always get the players to transform into the, they're no longer the, that we got to, oh, it. We've been doing that. he just said he wasn't T. Mac at the time. He was Tracy. That's what we be getting all the time. The government name play, we, you know, he was once the most explosive from the Phoenix Sun. Then he come over, he's Jonathan William, Penny Hardaway. He wasn't Penny. Amphorny, we got Amphorny. Why we don't get Payton?

Speaker 1:
[02:56] That sounds like an organizational problem.

Speaker 3:
[02:58] Yeah. Yeah, that sound like something, that sound like personnel. Yeah. I gotta ask you before we even get into the interview, he was on, this is your Rockets years. The amount of points you scored in a couple of seconds, with the, how did, what was going through your mind? How many points was it and how fast was it?

Speaker 1:
[03:19] It was like 13 points in like 35 seconds against San Antonio.

Speaker 2:
[03:26] How did that happen?

Speaker 1:
[03:28] So it's one of those things, man, in the league, when you get in that zone, like nobody can fuck with you when you get in that zone. I was struggling for three-quarters in that game, shoot them, and we was down in the fourth quarter. It's some just came over me, bro. I mean, like I hit a three-pointer and we foul. We get the ball back and then I'm coming off, I pump fake, Tim Duncan got him off his feet. Here's another three-pointer, and he won. So once I got the end one on the second three, I was like, oh, one style. The basket is huge now.

Speaker 2:
[04:07] Okay, this is a question I always ask. I'm not a supreme basketball player. I love basketball, but I ever wondered if in real life, we're talking about real life, right? Does the basket ever get like so big?

Speaker 1:
[04:24] That's what he just said.

Speaker 2:
[04:25] Yeah, so when you see a guy, I forget who somebody shot a three over the joker the other day. He was all the way in it. There's no way they just threw it and they just knew it.

Speaker 1:
[04:35] You know where this shit went is. 30, 50, 50.

Speaker 2:
[04:38] Does it get bigger?

Speaker 1:
[04:39] It's muscle memory. So you know where the basket at no matter who's in front of you and how long their reach is. Like I know where the basket is. So you can put your hand in my face and try to blind me. Now once I got that feeling, it's over. Like there's nothing you could do.

Speaker 2:
[04:57] Cause we got a sniper here the other day. The basket was big. The one on Instagram where you chopped that video up.

Speaker 5:
[05:03] You and Alika.

Speaker 1:
[05:04] That was at LA North.

Speaker 2:
[05:06] I ain't not even sitting in the road. Like was the basket looking big?

Speaker 3:
[05:10] Nah, that's what it is. You do this professionally.

Speaker 2:
[05:15] Oh, sorry I asked a question.

Speaker 1:
[05:18] So when you're shooting, right?

Speaker 3:
[05:19] It's like riding a bike.

Speaker 1:
[05:20] Cause when you're shooting and you make a few, you feel like you get in the zone.

Speaker 3:
[05:25] You get in the zone and you feel it.

Speaker 2:
[05:26] I ain't gonna lie, always, God's given me a lot of blessing, but he never gave me that one miracle basketball game. Like I've been to celebrity basketball games or pickup basketball games and I pray to God, let the shit just go in. Let me have one of them legendary Jeremy Lin games.

Speaker 1:
[05:46] You still prayin it ain't a basket yet.

Speaker 2:
[05:48] I ain't got it. I ain't get it. So sometimes when I see this shit going in, I wonder if the guy sees the basket bigger than it actually is because some games, some guys can't miss.

Speaker 1:
[06:01] That's how it is.

Speaker 2:
[06:03] come down, shoot three, nine threes in a row. He's seeing that shit like in the NBA. Come down, it just, so that's it.

Speaker 1:
[06:14] It's just, you know, with anything, man, when you're in that fucking booth, you know what I mean? When you're in the booth and you just got that feeling over you and you start spitting out some shit, you just, you get in that zone, you lock in, and you know it's not, you know you nice, you know you just killed it in the booth.

Speaker 2:
[06:31] Yeah, but Chief Matt, we gotta be careful with that. Right there, I love your analogy, but there's a lot of wack out there that are, they think they in the zone.

Speaker 4:
[06:40] Yeah, they still in the zone, they just in the zone of wack shit, they're still in.

Speaker 2:
[06:44] They in the zone of wack shit, this shit trash. And yo, we gon keep doing this shit. You know, I always prayed to God, you know, I've been in some celebrity basketball games, I've seen your God, man, let me see the basket big. It never happened for me.

Speaker 1:
[06:57] Did you play baseball?

Speaker 2:
[06:59] I played softball. I was some legend in the streets of the Bronx. Softball? Softball, I guess. JJ.

Speaker 3:
[07:05] Sabathie.

Speaker 2:
[07:05] Where you play softball? No, no, I was JJ. Sabathie in the Bronx. Strike your motherfuckers out fast, shit.

Speaker 1:
[07:12] Oh, you played fast, bitch.

Speaker 2:
[07:13] I would have struck you out, T-Mac, I'm not lying.

Speaker 1:
[07:15] I would have sent that shit 400. I'm a baseball player.

Speaker 2:
[07:19] You would have not hit it.

Speaker 3:
[07:21] I'm a baseball player.

Speaker 1:
[07:21] That shit would have went 400.

Speaker 3:
[07:22] JJ.

Speaker 2:
[07:23] Sabathie is a good get.

Speaker 1:
[07:24] You slaying that underarm shit. I'm sending that shit up a 20.

Speaker 2:
[07:27] Let's say I used to be in the club at six in the morning and pitch at 730 in the middle with the sun 90 degrees. I never got tired when I was young.

Speaker 1:
[07:36] On the hand, bitch.

Speaker 2:
[07:36] And those guys, I'll fuck it, but I'll strike you out, bro. I'm telling you, don't disrespect JJ. Sabathie.

Speaker 1:
[07:43] JJ. Sabathie, Jimmy John Sabathie. I just wanna know, crap. All I wanna know, how many times you winding up though, before you release the ball?

Speaker 2:
[07:50] I got the riser.

Speaker 1:
[07:51] Oh, is it one time?

Speaker 2:
[07:52] You know what the riser is? Yeah, I know what the riser is. God forbid I get two strikes on you. Say inside this that. I got some-

Speaker 1:
[07:58] Can you place it?

Speaker 2:
[07:59] You're not listening. I got some shit that go like this. Right. At last minute, last minute this shit go.

Speaker 1:
[08:06] That shit sounded like a fart.

Speaker 2:
[08:07] So you thinking you hitting this shit here, end up here and you struck out. All these guys got struck out, all of them. I'm not talking about a celebrity thing. You know how many guys are walking around Spanish, all of them and fucking the Bronx, that I fucking like disrespected them in front of their families. Firemen, all type of hustlers, they came in again with their families. Not right now, I'm washed up.

Speaker 5:
[08:36] I'm washed up.

Speaker 1:
[08:39] Right now, I'm Joseph Cartagena.

Speaker 2:
[08:41] Me punk was my biggest fan. Me punk come sit on the side, gun in the glove. Don't argue with punk about Fat Joe, he was my biggest fan.

Speaker 1:
[08:50] This is a male softball league?

Speaker 2:
[08:53] Oh, you being disrespectful. Yo, a male softball league.

Speaker 1:
[08:59] Oh, is it coed?

Speaker 2:
[09:00] These are grown men that smack shit out the park.

Speaker 1:
[09:03] You said he's pitching underhand.

Speaker 2:
[09:04] Yeah, but I'm pitching fast.

Speaker 1:
[09:07] Softball.

Speaker 2:
[09:08] Softball but fast.

Speaker 1:
[09:09] Male softball league.

Speaker 2:
[09:10] Male softball league. Grown ass man softball league.

Speaker 1:
[09:13] What you throwing, like 60?

Speaker 2:
[09:15] I don't know what I was throwing. No, I was striking everybody out. Joe, I wish I would have had it set. And I made every all-star game. You wish.

Speaker 1:
[09:23] I was at the little celebrity joint, little CC joint, he was out there pitching, trying to throw you a little curve and trying to throw a little bullshit.

Speaker 2:
[09:30] Damn, that's why I was disrespectful. He ain't seen me in my prime. He ain't seen me when I was J mad. You saw Joseph Antonio Cartagena. You didn't see, that's why he's talking shit. That's why he's talking shit.

Speaker 1:
[09:45] Tell him, player. First of all, real stories coming out, Joe.

Speaker 2:
[09:53] First of all, real stories coming out, Joe.

Speaker 1:
[09:57] The real story, Rich. Tell him, Rich.

Speaker 2:
[09:59] What's the story, hold on. What's the story that you used to work at when you was a kid? The Mayo. Let me tell you something. We played with the official softball. In Yankee Stadium, the Make It Excited, they were playing with corked softballs. That if you hit a foul ball, that shit go up a deck. They was playing with them green softballs. They wasn't playing with the white leather softball. They officially, your bandit, actually really didn't smack my shit. It was a ball that was like a golf ball. I'm trying to tell you.

Speaker 1:
[10:31] Hey Joe.

Speaker 2:
[10:32] They loaded softballs.

Speaker 1:
[10:35] I got a question though.

Speaker 2:
[10:37] Why? I'm telling you. You better go to a softball store. They got green softballs. Your little brother could smack that shit out the park.

Speaker 1:
[10:46] I'm not lying to you. I just got a question, bro.

Speaker 2:
[10:48] I was washed up too. I was washed up.

Speaker 1:
[10:50] I just got a question, Joe. He got a question.

Speaker 2:
[10:53] It's the truth.

Speaker 1:
[10:54] Hey, Joe. I just got one question.

Speaker 2:
[10:57] He smacked this shit. These hate me. Y'all didn't have Little League Baseball, Joe? Huh?

Speaker 1:
[11:02] Y'all didn't have Little League Baseball? Like y'all, or baseball?

Speaker 2:
[11:04] No, we did have Little League Baseball. Well, but I don't know if it's just Bronx, Coffa, culture, but them Puerto Ricans in the Bronx, they played softball and they got, my man, we thought.

Speaker 1:
[11:17] So y'all grew up playing softball?

Speaker 2:
[11:19] Man, we got guys that park that shit on top of the roof, like they don't play. No, no, no.

Speaker 1:
[11:25] I seen some dogs on that softball.

Speaker 2:
[11:27] Yeah, that's what we had, like that.

Speaker 1:
[11:29] I seen it.

Speaker 2:
[11:29] My team?

Speaker 1:
[11:30] That leg, they can place the ball wherever they like.

Speaker 2:
[11:33] I had guys who violated, they could be Rough Riders, D Block, the best guy in the world. He'd be like, yo, I'm sorry, Jada, I'm playing with Joe.

Speaker 1:
[11:41] Could you hit?

Speaker 2:
[11:41] The niggas, I hit every time. I can control the hitting too. So if I'm batting up and I want to hit it right on right field, right on the fucking line, right field and I'm righty, pow, right on the side. Every single time, I fucked up one time.

Speaker 1:
[11:59] One time.

Speaker 2:
[12:00] One time. One time we're in the chip, game seven, we got runners on base. Uncle Dan was supposed to bat up. Uncle Dan historically does not hit better than me. I'm on the bench, I pull him out, I bat up. I pop, never strike out, but popped out. And Uncle Dan, 40 years later, he wanted to kill me. He said, yo, I was lucky that day. I was gonna hit, I'm like, yo, chill forever. But I fucked that game up. Like I, you know, I usually get hits. That, that shit fucked me up. It fucked me up. I'm traumatized by that.

Speaker 1:
[12:41] That softball shit me up.

Speaker 4:
[12:43] Huh?

Speaker 5:
[12:46] Big Nick Anderson.

Speaker 1:
[12:47] Yo, that was crazy.

Speaker 3:
[12:49] Nick Anderson.

Speaker 1:
[12:50] That was crazy, man.

Speaker 4:
[12:51] The freak, bro.

Speaker 1:
[12:53] That was basketball psychology, yo, man.

Speaker 4:
[12:56] Huh?

Speaker 1:
[12:57] It's just crazy that your mind can, can go that way, bro. To where you feel like you can't make a shot. Are you scared to take a shot? I guess that's a psychological thing that it was just, he had that block.

Speaker 4:
[13:13] Yo, yo, we just want to let y'all know, 1800 is the fish you tequila of Joe and Jada.

Speaker 2:
[13:20] We're doing it big right now. We're keeping it 1800, the premier tequila. And let me tell you something, this 1800 is something special. When me and Jada get on that 1800, it's fire.

Speaker 4:
[13:32] You can see we got the enraged special bottles.

Speaker 2:
[13:36] The staple, known for craftsmanship and consistency.

Speaker 4:
[13:40] Yeah, me, 1800.

Speaker 2:
[13:42] 1800.

Speaker 1:
[13:46] That's what happened to Markelle Fultz. That's a real thing.

Speaker 5:
[13:51] That's a sad story, bro.

Speaker 3:
[13:53] What's the nice?

Speaker 2:
[13:54] He was nice.

Speaker 3:
[13:54] He was of that, like, we gotta get to that. There was something, man.

Speaker 2:
[13:58] CTEs?

Speaker 3:
[14:00] It's not CTE, dog.

Speaker 1:
[14:03] You know, CTE not on this.

Speaker 2:
[14:05] Yo, what's up, Markelle Fultz?

Speaker 1:
[14:07] Not on this one.

Speaker 2:
[14:08] Bob Simmons, what's the from the next?

Speaker 1:
[14:11] Ben Simmons.

Speaker 2:
[14:12] Ben Simmons.

Speaker 3:
[14:12] Bob Simmons.

Speaker 1:
[14:17] It was his back.

Speaker 2:
[14:20] Bob Simmons.

Speaker 1:
[14:21] Nice, nice. Real talk.

Speaker 2:
[14:23] But they never said it's his back.

Speaker 1:
[14:24] Nah, listen, I know a lot of people shit on Ben Simmons. Dool could have been. Could have been. Could have. No, no, no.

Speaker 2:
[14:32] Drew Ski got a sign on the bar.

Speaker 1:
[14:34] It was his back. It was his back. And then, you know, his-

Speaker 2:
[14:37] But nobody ever explained that to us as the back.

Speaker 1:
[14:40] It was his back, They said it was like mental.

Speaker 3:
[14:42] Yeah, so that led to his mental.

Speaker 1:
[14:44] It led to his mental. But before his injury, though, before it- Oh, he was good, bro.

Speaker 2:
[14:50] He could do everything.

Speaker 1:
[14:50] Everything.

Speaker 2:
[14:51] That kid, that kid was really good. Oh boy, Fultz was good, too, till he got mentally, nah, man, it ain't the shoulder, man. He just lost his mind. He was sad. You know, I was watching him. What happened, kids? You want me to talk for real? We talking, right? I was sad for him, for Markelle Fultz, because he was, he was nice. And then you could tell mentally something happened to him. And I'm watching him at the game and he's just struggling. And he just couldn't get out of that. Then they moved him Orlando. Fuck pressure.

Speaker 1:
[15:27] Number one pig. He was the number one pig. That's pressure. You got to live up to that. Number one pig crack.

Speaker 2:
[15:36] So sorry, my brothers. You got to live up to it. You got to do what you got to do.

Speaker 1:
[15:41] Right, but it's not...

Speaker 2:
[15:42] You can't be scared of pressure.

Speaker 1:
[15:44] He played the game, meaning college. He didn't know he was getting drafted, number one. You know who's pressure?

Speaker 2:
[15:50] 50 cents on your ass in the fucking hip hop. Dissing you every day on World Star and this. Your mother's a lesbian, a diss, that, this, this. That's fucking pressure. Your kids going to school, they threatening your kids. You do the same shit. That's not throwing the basketball pressure. Listen. What? Huh? No. Telling you bro, he should have showed up. Your man's a bust too. What's his name Rich? Your guy, the Russell guy. He was, he never did. He was number one too?

Speaker 1:
[16:24] Who? The football player?

Speaker 2:
[16:25] Te'Angelo Russell.

Speaker 1:
[16:26] He wasn't a bust.

Speaker 2:
[16:27] Number two?

Speaker 1:
[16:28] He's not a bust.

Speaker 2:
[16:29] He ain't nothing compared to what he thought he was. Let me tell you something. Do me cause he's a Laker. Y'all got him two times. Y'all spun the block with that. He still stunk up the place. Let me tell you something. You know what I knew? When he got drafted, he was so cocky. We could go back to the clip James. Te'Angelo. You go draft night. That boy's nephew, be careful. Be careful that we got to stay humble. That man walked up in that draft.

Speaker 5:
[17:03] He was like, shit don't stick records. Like, he was on that shit like this with the suit.

Speaker 2:
[17:13] I said, yeah, boy, he went up there and he stunk up the place.

Speaker 1:
[17:16] Joe, he lasted.

Speaker 2:
[17:17] And never became who he was supposed to become. He had a good career.

Speaker 1:
[17:20] He had a solid career.

Speaker 2:
[17:21] No, he didn't.

Speaker 1:
[17:22] He played over 10 years.

Speaker 2:
[17:24] Yeah, but whack years. 10 whack years. You don't go number two in a thing. Let me tell you something, bro.

Speaker 1:
[17:31] Nah, you can't base it off that. You can't base it off that. They ain't drafting themselves.

Speaker 2:
[17:37] Yeah, yeah, he ain't good.

Speaker 1:
[17:38] Nah, they're not drafting themselves. So if somebody looks at you like, yo, me taking you number two, you can't put that on here.

Speaker 5:
[17:44] Listen, how about the Knicks?

Speaker 2:
[17:46] The Knicks drafted that nigger was so trash, the guy from France, Mikelle, Frank McKill. I wanted to kill this. Like, I was like, if I ever see this nigger say last of something, we breaking this kneecaps, we getting them out of Starland. He didn't even have to say last of anything.

Speaker 3:
[18:05] He didn't even have to say last of anything.

Speaker 2:
[18:06] I see this sous randé boo.

Speaker 5:
[18:08] He's gonna mysteriously catch broken knees.

Speaker 1:
[18:10] Dara, protect all customers from Joe.

Speaker 2:
[18:15] That would have been his sous randé boo one night. I'd have been like, gotta go. Who was it tough? Frankie McKell? That was the biggest bullshit was your man picked him too.

Speaker 5:
[18:27] Your man picked him.

Speaker 2:
[18:29] Jordan's Coach. Phil Jackson picked that nigger.

Speaker 5:
[18:34] Frank McKell. Oh shit, I'm still having.

Speaker 3:
[18:37] I'm still having.

Speaker 2:
[18:39] That thing ain't on.

Speaker 5:
[18:40] You bugger.

Speaker 3:
[18:42] You having a whole conversation on this show.

Speaker 1:
[18:45] I'm overdosed, Frank McKell.

Speaker 2:
[18:47] What's his name?

Speaker 1:
[18:48] Frank McKell.

Speaker 2:
[18:49] I was like, look, I'm twitching because of that. Frank McKell. Any other team that called him after us? I'm like, y'all got him?

Speaker 3:
[18:57] Except his name.

Speaker 2:
[18:58] Oh my God.

Speaker 3:
[18:59] Who's the toughest defender in the country?

Speaker 2:
[19:00] Who's the wackest guy?

Speaker 1:
[19:04] The toughest man. Ron Artest was tough. 6'8, Run Run, Prince Bridge. 6'8, strong as an ox. Long wingspan, strong hands.

Speaker 2:
[19:16] His brother Danny was like that in the free basketball.

Speaker 1:
[19:21] Yeah, Run Run was one of the moves.

Speaker 2:
[19:22] Big boned it. They're gonna hurt you every time.

Speaker 1:
[19:25] It's not, and when I say tough, like...

Speaker 2:
[19:28] No, he's tough.

Speaker 1:
[19:29] It's like, I know I got a battle. Like I got to strategize on how I hoop tonight. Other, you know, it's just like, I'm going through my joints.

Speaker 2:
[19:38] He's gonna shake them.

Speaker 1:
[19:39] It ain't nothing. I know I'm gonna get my shot off easily. But Run, it's like, it's a strategy. I can't, I play against him differently than I'll play somebody else. You know what I mean, cause with him, you can't sit there and play with the ball. Cause he's so strong. You're not really going, you know, shake him out of his shoes. It's either a fast move, quick move, get your shot off. Me, I like to mix it up with him. I like to run him like Steph. So what I always wanted to do is, I just didn't have the ball in my hands. Like I could run off the screens like Steph. So I'll run him cause I know he's gonna make a mistake before I do. Like they always gonna make mistakes. He's gonna try to do a shortcut. And I'm gonna capitalize off of that every single time. So once I get a rhythm off running him off screens, and now I can get the ball, and then I got my rhythm to do wherever I want. So now it's like, I'm mixing it up and he can't really just go hung in on one thing that I'm doing. Keep him on balance.

Speaker 2:
[20:35] You know, let me tell you something, man. You're talking about Steph Curry. The original Steph Curry was Reggie Miller. I believe they invented them picks for Reggie Miller. He would turn around, three players, them big guys and catch that curl. What? Rick Smith. Before you know it, he was dead alone just hitting that shit. Reggie Miller was a motherfucker. And I got some real, real legendary players who say he wasn't.

Speaker 1:
[21:05] They don't think I got them.

Speaker 2:
[21:08] I can't tell you, I can't tell you, but what I can tell you is legendary players of all time was like, y'all made him famous. When he did the shit to y'all in New York, that's what made him in the Hall of Fame. Other than that.

Speaker 1:
[21:23] Wow, you see what he-

Speaker 2:
[21:25] I just told you he's incredible.

Speaker 1:
[21:27] No, I'm saying he went head to head with Mike. Like he had some battles with Mike. Did he not? Did he not?

Speaker 2:
[21:34] Listen-

Speaker 1:
[21:34] I'm not saying he's outside Mike. But did he hold his own against Mike?

Speaker 2:
[21:41] What I'm going to say is Reggie Miller left the league three years before he should have. He was still dropping 20 points tonight. He was still in great condition. He was still in great shape. I believe- Why did he leave? He's a Hall of Famer. I don't know. He thought his time was up.

Speaker 1:
[22:01] He's a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 2:
[22:02] Yeah, but I believe Fat Joe, his opinion on sports, I think Reggie Miller is one of the greatest of all time.

Speaker 1:
[22:08] He is. I don't know who's saying differently.

Speaker 2:
[22:11] They said the Knicks shit is the only reason why the man caught that Hall of Fame. Cause of that 13th spike still. I still, I can't look at spikes.

Speaker 1:
[22:20] That's nonsense.

Speaker 2:
[22:20] Yo, every game I look at spike in the shit and I see this. I say, oh.

Speaker 1:
[22:24] You see what he did in Indiana.

Speaker 5:
[22:25] You see your man did that shit to us.

Speaker 2:
[22:26] Pushed off a mic, game winner.

Speaker 1:
[22:28] Come on, bro.

Speaker 2:
[22:29] You see what your man was doing to us. Halliburton, he beat us and he was doing the choke shit too for Indiana. That bad. Yeah, come on.

Speaker 1:
[22:38] Indiana went crazy on you.

Speaker 2:
[22:40] We needed like a fucking Ronald Tess in the game that day to smack him or some shit and get thrown out or something. I mean, the guy was doing this.

Speaker 1:
[22:47] But you know what I love about it though last year?

Speaker 2:
[22:50] Violation.

Speaker 1:
[22:51] Your Knicks, they brought y'all back though. Like that, the fandom and the celebrity and every, the energy.

Speaker 3:
[22:58] Too much celebrate, too early.

Speaker 1:
[23:00] It was crazy. Like that. We need that back in the garden.

Speaker 2:
[23:03] They made this guy go get the sweater.

Speaker 1:
[23:05] Hey man, last year, last year for the Knicks was amazing to watch.

Speaker 2:
[23:08] Mom, why didn't you put the sweater on for that?

Speaker 1:
[23:10] To see all the old times come back, to see y'all in it.

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Speaker 2:
[25:16] Do you think Tim's are supposed to get...

Speaker 1:
[25:18] No, Tim should still be coaching. I like Mike Brown, like him. But Tibbs, Tibbs is built for New York Knicks. Culture, like leading that team. Everything about him, brother, like strong personality, holding guys accountable.

Speaker 2:
[25:37] Ms. Jalen!

Speaker 1:
[25:38] The toughness.

Speaker 3:
[25:40] His hand used to be like this.

Speaker 1:
[25:42] The toughness. Jalen!

Speaker 2:
[25:45] Hey, Mike Brown and Coach, I got respect for you. I got love for you. I know somebody going to tell you about this. Sneakers? His sneakers is fab. He got like Converse on or some shit, the thin shit like that. The other day, no, the other day I'm at the game.

Speaker 1:
[26:03] You checking Coach Sneakers out?

Speaker 2:
[26:04] Listen, Coach Sneakers pie, team pie. Coach Sneakers pie, team pie. If a nigga come up in there with the Espadrilles, Golf for Biddy with the loafers, he come up in there with them shits like, yo, stop, all right? Trust me, okay? The Sneakers got something to do with the whole shit.

Speaker 1:
[26:26] They'll be some good coaches shoes, bruh, them the loafers.

Speaker 2:
[26:29] But listen to what the man did, fuck no! Fuck no! Y'all wanna get me thrown out of Madison Square Garden, lifetime guarantee? Mike Brown come with the loafers on? They got they wish. Throw this out in the stadium. They gonna have you on TV like handcuffed, like yo, get this out in the building.

Speaker 1:
[26:52] Joe.

Speaker 2:
[26:52] Yo, listen.

Speaker 1:
[26:53] The New Balance gotta make the loafers the new coaching shoe. It's a coaching shoe.

Speaker 3:
[27:00] Looks good.

Speaker 1:
[27:01] You just look at them joints, man. Put the penny in there or put the nickel in there.

Speaker 2:
[27:04] You already got some horrible sneakers, but let me tell you a story.

Speaker 3:
[27:06] I would let my landscape, I would let my pool cleaner wear it off.

Speaker 2:
[27:14] That thing ain't got the eagle dollars on it.

Speaker 1:
[27:16] Dog, can we please show them on camera? Take one off, take one off.

Speaker 2:
[27:22] This thing ain't got the Andre eagle dollars. Put that nickel.

Speaker 4:
[27:26] All right, the quarter.

Speaker 2:
[27:27] Put the quarter right there, dog.

Speaker 1:
[27:29] The official coaching shoe of the NBA right here.

Speaker 2:
[27:32] Don't say quarter.

Speaker 1:
[27:34] Right here.

Speaker 2:
[27:34] That shit put a quarter in your ass because you played yourself. This shit here, my loving.

Speaker 4:
[27:40] Hey, dog.

Speaker 2:
[27:41] Hey, dog. Shit is in the fucking inferno, those right there. Well, anyway, coach got some shit a little less.

Speaker 4:
[27:49] A little less.

Speaker 2:
[27:50] Mike Brown got some sneakers on. Every game, it's a little less than those.

Speaker 1:
[27:54] Okay, we got it.

Speaker 2:
[27:55] And the other day, I'm going to tell you a story. We play the WAC team, Chicago Trash. I've never seen the Trash routine. But, the man came with some Air Max on. I stopped in the middle of, oh, say, coach! Yes, he heard me. He looked at me and said, yo, keep the sneakers on, coach. We won by 40 that game.

Speaker 1:
[28:19] You gave us a good advice.

Speaker 2:
[28:20] They ain't got them fucking Esper drills.

Speaker 1:
[28:22] Send him some shit, bruh. What you want him to watch? Send him some.

Speaker 2:
[28:25] You know what? He lives near me. I'm going to find out where he's at. I'm going to send him some sneakers. I got to, because I can't see him with them fucking, them thin, he look like he on a yacht. You in New York City. Skippies, man.

Speaker 3:
[28:41] He look like he's on a yacht.

Speaker 2:
[28:42] I ain't going to lie, them shit is new every time though. He got a hundred pair of skippies. Whatever them shit he got on them just don't got to scoff. He got a new pair every day.

Speaker 1:
[28:51] We got to get you on the sideline of OBL, man. You'll bring us great energy, dog. You got to get him, Kiss.

Speaker 3:
[28:57] I'm going to have a Coke company, man.

Speaker 2:
[28:59] What OBL?

Speaker 3:
[29:00] That's the OBL, talking about the OBL.

Speaker 1:
[29:01] Yeah, you got the 101 league.

Speaker 2:
[29:04] You know I can't lose. You know I coached the other day, your son was there. How much I beat him boss? I'm 99 and one. I don't think you understand that. In the Rucker, I'm 99 and one. The other game, the other day at the Nike Jordanship, was you not there nephew? You don't think I didn't coach?

Speaker 1:
[29:24] Damn, hey nephew, good job. He was the GU.

Speaker 4:
[29:29] It was Joe Kupchak.

Speaker 2:
[29:30] Okay, let me tell you something. I'm the best coach in the world. I took a team in jail that was the Bad News Bears. The was in jail. They was bouncing the ball like this. And I kept seeing them every Saturday out there. The niggas was getting blown out, paused. And I went out there one Saturday. I said, you stand here. You stand here and you here. And when he goes, you give it to him. Bounce the ball to the thing. They wind up going like eight and no. The only reason I ain't win a chip, they threw me out the jail. The next week was a chip. I took the bad news best to a chip in jail. I cannot lose. They stopped me from coaching the NBA celebrity All-Star because I kept winning by 40 or 50. I can't lose at coach. And by the way, I did coach that game. You know what happened that game? It was halftime. First of all, the kid was threatening me. Whatever the young boy, what's his name? Good guy. Read his, met his whole family. Ryan what? Why he got a white boy name like that? Puerto Rican. But listen, it's almost like for real. Listen, the man go, yo, the man go talk wild shit. Like the young boy, yo, you done, you washed up, this, that. I'm like, okay. I get Kareem Reed, Terrance Squatterfield, too official. He's coaching, he put the team together. This is what happened. We went out to half time. This is how I coached. I said, what's the score? They was like, yo, we up 12. I said, go up 30, triple the pay. Sat back down. Dumb niggas win up 40 points. They played the most professional basketball you ever seen. And you're like, give it the shot, clear it out. Give it, they start moving that shit around like, bro, this is coaching. You gotta know how to what to say at the right time. Players gotta be coachable. They were playing around throwing it just once. I told them, go up 30, triple the pay. That made the most, they played the most professional systemic basketball you've seen in your life. Here you go, clear it out. Back up.

Speaker 1:
[31:57] We got Kiss Kupchak right here, the owner. He might have to bring you in as a coach for his OBL team.

Speaker 2:
[32:03] I don't lose.

Speaker 3:
[32:04] One on one though.

Speaker 1:
[32:06] So my one on one league, I created teams with it.

Speaker 2:
[32:10] It's one on one.

Speaker 1:
[32:12] Yeah, so he's the owner of the New York team. Kiss Kupchak.

Speaker 2:
[32:18] You see, who you use one on one?

Speaker 3:
[32:22] We had a tryout.

Speaker 2:
[32:24] We had a whole tryout in New York. Man, I would get a guy like-

Speaker 1:
[32:29] May 15th, Orlando.

Speaker 2:
[32:31] One on one. May 15th, Orlando.

Speaker 1:
[32:34] I want to go.

Speaker 2:
[32:35] Can you invite me? Do you got a plane ticket for me? Nice hotel.

Speaker 5:
[32:38] What's the hotel we're taking in Orlando?

Speaker 1:
[32:40] I got you. Look.

Speaker 2:
[32:41] What's the nice hotel?

Speaker 1:
[32:42] Joe.

Speaker 2:
[32:43] Rich Carlton.

Speaker 1:
[32:44] So look, we got eight teams, Crack.

Speaker 2:
[32:48] That here. Every time I travel, we get the best hotels in there. I tell them, yo, Waldo, story of this, this, that. Let's go kiss me in the lobby. Yo, what's up, Crack? Take it good.

Speaker 4:
[33:00] You know what I'm saying? It's crazy, though.

Speaker 3:
[33:03] Tell them about the league.

Speaker 1:
[33:05] So, yeah, man, I started this 101 league, and for me, it's because I got some ownership in the Buffalo Bills. And you know, when you look around...

Speaker 3:
[33:15] Hold on.

Speaker 2:
[33:15] Hold on. Say that slow for the in the back.

Speaker 4:
[33:20] James Cook, right?

Speaker 2:
[33:22] James Cook's our guy.

Speaker 1:
[33:23] Sure, for sure.

Speaker 2:
[33:24] Rich used to coach him.

Speaker 1:
[33:25] He the man. So I got some ownership in that, and then when you look around our major sports and look at ownership, it's not a lot of people that look like us, right? So, you know, with alternative sports growing and it's the thing nowadays, and one-on-one is becoming real prominent, not just here, but even abroad. Like they're playing one-on-one in China. It's crazy over there. And I was like, yo, I want to start this league, but I want to do it differently and give ownership to folks that look like me. So I came up with the eight cities, and came up with eight guys that are influential in these eight cities. So that's why I reached out to Kiss, gave him that New York team, gave Lorenz Tate, my brother Lorenz Tate got the Chicago team. Tim Hardaway Sr got the Miami team, and I got my boy John Walls involved. Yeah, man. So I got a great bunch of guys. Yeah, man. Yeah. Yeah. And Orlando, Vince got Orlando.

Speaker 2:
[34:31] Fucking love Orlando.

Speaker 1:
[34:33] And we just gon build. And I got some good people behind me that's putting some money into this shit.

Speaker 2:
[34:38] There's a Puerto Rican gas station they cook so good.

Speaker 1:
[34:41] We gotta get you a Puerto Rico team. You got some guys in Puerto Rico that are cool? We wanna go to Puerto Rico. You got some guys there?

Speaker 2:
[34:50] I know the guy who run the Bad Bunny team.

Speaker 1:
[34:53] Well, there you go, we'll get them involved in OBL.

Speaker 2:
[34:56] I'm sure they got one guy over there to go crazy.

Speaker 1:
[34:59] All right, let's get them a team.

Speaker 2:
[35:00] It ain't Ryan Witherspoon. That got beat his ass, lost by 40. Fuck him with me. And the reason I ain't really coached is because it was light work. I'm sitting there like, really? I'm sorry to get everybody upset, because everybody was with them, that's the youth. The youth was with them, like, yo, this is the young. Them were sad by half time. Everybody went home with a pasta, leo and an L. It was just like, yo, take your patella with you and get that shit up out of here. It was Jordan through a Puerto Rican celebration, Puerto Rican vibes, and it was great. It was great. But, you know, I can't lose. I don't lose. So how does one-on-one work? Just one-on-one? Game 15? Game 30?

Speaker 1:
[35:55] Game is nine. So you got four players on your team. And it's based off of how your players do against the other cities. Right? How many wins they get and how many-

Speaker 2:
[36:07] So you got players or one player?

Speaker 1:
[36:08] No, it's four players on a team.

Speaker 2:
[36:10] Four players on a team but one-on-one?

Speaker 1:
[36:12] Yes. Oh, that's-

Speaker 2:
[36:13] Wow, that's fire.

Speaker 1:
[36:15] Yes. So, four of your guys is not going to play the same team. So one of your guys could play a team from Chicago. One of your guys could play a team from Miami, like that. It's going to be crazy, man. We're doing it May 15th in Orlando. Real crazy.

Speaker 2:
[36:30] May 15th.

Speaker 4:
[36:31] OBL, baby, get tapped in.

Speaker 1:
[36:33] We're flying all the boys in, man.

Speaker 2:
[36:36] You know what I'm going to do is I'm going to get the Puerto Rico team.

Speaker 1:
[36:40] I'm telling you. I'm telling you to start a Puerto Rico team.

Speaker 2:
[36:44] You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1:
[36:45] So I talked to Los. I was going to get Los to the Miami team. I talked to Los. That's good. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[36:51] You got a Miami team?

Speaker 3:
[36:53] Yeah, Tim Hardaway Sr, are you listening?

Speaker 2:
[36:56] You know I'm fried.

Speaker 1:
[36:56] Crack just up here, just bumping it, boy.

Speaker 2:
[36:58] No, I'm talking to you.

Speaker 1:
[36:59] He's running it. I ain't listening to shit.

Speaker 2:
[37:01] Listen.

Speaker 1:
[37:01] He's running it.

Speaker 2:
[37:03] First of all, I'm going to be honest with you. Them shoes so fucking big, I feel like I got a gun in my face. That shit look like an AOSA thing. Calibre's shoe is that. That shit look like you put the foot up in somebody's ass, they in trouble. Big top. Then came up to me the other day, you seen the guy had the spikes on the pants.

Speaker 3:
[37:27] At the show.

Speaker 2:
[37:28] Everybody got their own swag.

Speaker 1:
[37:30] No, he get chased by dogs.

Speaker 2:
[37:33] Everybody, you can't be mad. If we went right now to Manhattan, there's some white girls walking by, swagged up. You know the way I do it? I go to Miami, I go to Bell Harbor. It's a mall that's really, really rich, and our people watch. And everybody got they swag. They could be from Texas, they could be from Memphis, they could be from, they throw they shit on, that is in they hood, or whatever, they good. Now, you gotta understand, the guy came to the show, and I know he swagged out in his own way. I'm not even trying to disrespect. He had some leather pants on with the spikes all over the, who was, yo, Kate was there. Man, I said, my man, if you kick me with them fucking pants right there, start laughing, cause yo, it's like, man, he got, he had the spikes on his shit. That's how I feel when I look at them shoes. They the type of shit your moms will hit you anywhere in the house with them shit. She'll get you long distance with them shoes like that. You know?

Speaker 5:
[38:35] What is he talking? This guy's crazy.

Speaker 2:
[38:37] That got the fucking piece, but the youth size 16, huh?

Speaker 1:
[38:42] 16.

Speaker 2:
[38:43] Height 6'9, you the original 6'9. How do you feel to be the original 6'9, when this guy's out here at home? Rat king of the universe.

Speaker 1:
[38:55] Why is he a rat king, though? Don't you gotta be from that? We talk about this. We talk about this. If you're not cut from that cloth, if you ain't come from that, you ain't grow up in that, how you a rat?

Speaker 2:
[39:09] The man was sending people to do things. He was there telling them, shoot the place, go get this dude.

Speaker 1:
[39:16] Right. Young boy. That young boy, you think that young boy?

Speaker 2:
[39:20] So let me ask you something, because I heard you say it twice behind the scene. So for you, you think it's acceptable for people to snitch or rat? A normal person, if it's your sister, your mother, a hard working guy, somebody robbed them, I don't have a problem with them saying all of a sudden they robbed.

Speaker 1:
[39:37] I'm saying if you're a normal civilian.

Speaker 2:
[39:39] Supposedly gangster who built their whole empire, their whole image off of Data Realist ever. And they over here talking about this guy robbed me, this guy did, you think that's like acceptable? I answered every question you asked. I'm asking you a question.

Speaker 1:
[39:59] If he didn't come from that, if he didn't come from that, he didn't grow up in that. And he got what a group of dudes that put a battery in there. So we're going to push you this way to start them. That doesn't make him that. You got a machine behind you that's pushing you. You was never that. He was never that.

Speaker 2:
[40:24] I appreciate your opinion.

Speaker 1:
[40:30] He was never that.

Speaker 2:
[40:31] You got to hear him out. Everybody got a perspective. Everybody got their own shit. Me, I come from a town where the wrong guy walked past your building and you hear that shit. Like the cowboy movies. Your mom's closed the window. shit. They don't see nothing. I don't see nothing. You ever see that comedian? He was on the, what's this shit? The shit Russell Simmons had, Def Jam Comedy. You ever see Homeboy say, I fucked with Poppy from the fourth floor because he don't see nothing. He don't know nothing.

Speaker 1:
[41:06] He don't know nothing. Oh, he was good.

Speaker 5:
[41:08] He don't see nothing.

Speaker 2:
[41:10] That's where I'm from. He don't see nothing. He don't know nothing. My father was not a gangster or criminal in no way. I promise you my life, my father or my mother wouldn't be testifying on no. They'd be like, yo, we don't see nothing. We don't know nothing. We keep that shit moving. That's how I was brought up family.

Speaker 1:
[41:35] You, everybody's not brought up like that.

Speaker 2:
[41:38] Yeah, obviously. That up in there talking about, yo, just came out of PC, just legendary in there.

Speaker 1:
[41:44] Is that really a thing nowadays, though? You see what's going on around this mob. Everybody telling, bro. Everybody telling, like, that's not new.

Speaker 2:
[41:53] And so what we gotta do is stay legit, guys, cause this shit now, and the camera work is horrible out here. This camera is everywhere. Like I honestly, honestly, honestly believe you can't get away with a crime. In 2026, you just can't get away with a crime. Yo, man, let me tell you something, man. A little while ago, What's His Name played some shit, and I was just like, thank God, the rapping. Like rap music is just-

Speaker 1:
[42:27] Who's hot now? Who's putting out good music?

Speaker 2:
[42:31] I think, well, you can't let me because I'm old. So I'm gonna say the OGs. I'm gonna say TI. I'm gonna say French Montana and Max Speed with that joint. I'm gonna pick dumb.

Speaker 1:
[42:43] That's what I want to speak on. So why is it the old niggas, bro? Why do old niggas start rapping? Like, what is it with the old-

Speaker 2:
[42:53] Not only get wack, right? So historically, yeah. You wasn't T-Mac. You was Sir Tracy McGrady, Night Ink Soul when you played for the Knicks. So historically, historically, over the years, especially before our era-

Speaker 4:
[43:13] I'm after you.

Speaker 5:
[43:14] You older than me.

Speaker 1:
[43:16] So let me crack. You can't make a hot song right now? Yeah, sure.

Speaker 2:
[43:21] I'm in a fight.

Speaker 1:
[43:23] Right now?

Speaker 2:
[43:23] I'm in sexual fight.

Speaker 1:
[43:25] Have you put out music when you posted-

Speaker 2:
[43:27] I put out an album like last year. And then I got some missiles. Don't play with me T-Mac. I'll play some shit for you. You'll be like, yo, that's shit crazy. Play some shit for me, Des. But what I'm saying to you is historically, in time, the most legendary of legendaries of legends, the best of the best, they always got whack when they got older. Don't ask me why. They was all feet. They sound like to the hip, to the hop.

Speaker 3:
[43:53] They just got down.

Speaker 1:
[43:55] 40 years later, though, we like, nah, time has changed. Y'all niggas are still hot. See, I just put out some hot shit. Y'all old can put out hot shit, bro. That's what we want to hear, y'all. I want to hear you.

Speaker 2:
[44:10] I agree. What I'm trying to say-

Speaker 1:
[44:12] I can't relate to the new shit. It's not sustainable.

Speaker 2:
[44:16] Sad because I'm about the youth. I'm about everybody winning. I'm about- I feel like if a guy is successful, he ain't got to rob your mom's at the gas station.

Speaker 1:
[44:26] I love it. For sure.

Speaker 2:
[44:27] I feel even though they rob it, they get successful now. This shit out of control out here. But it's crazy because- nah, shit out of control.

Speaker 5:
[44:39] The whole world upside down. Shit crazy out here.

Speaker 2:
[44:43] T-Mac, what I'm saying to you is historically, the legends that used to flow like they was the greatest in the world, they tried to make music when they was older and they got whacked. I don't know how. Now with this era, you got Nas putting out good music, you got Jada and them putting out music, you got French, you got TI, you got a couple of guys just putting out great music, still consistent, great music. But that wasn't like that. Errors before our era.

Speaker 3:
[45:13] I don't think they figured it out with the age bracket yet. Hip-hop is only 51 years old, so they don't know what's old. They don't know what... All of that shit is still in the uproar from how they categorizing it.

Speaker 1:
[45:31] If you're too old to rap.

Speaker 3:
[45:32] If you're too old and this and that.

Speaker 2:
[45:34] I know the TI just put one out of the park. Five Weeks is number one. I know the French Montana and them got a number one. I think if you make right now quality music and it's a smash hit, it could go. That's it. I mean, it wasn't like that two, three years ago. I had a guy, I'm cool with a friend, because I'm one of the guys that consistently still kept putting music out, no matter how old I got. Videos, $250,000. I'm independent, I pay for my own shit. So, work my radio, work everything. And I had a radio guy that's a boss of bosses, who's my man for 30 years, sit me down and say, we are not playing old nigga music, no matter what. I don't care if radio, I don't care if Jay-Z comes out with something. I don't care if Nas comes out with something. I don't care if Mary J. Blige come out with something. We are not playing it. Even if it sounds like a hit, Joe, save your money. Don't, because you know, to get radio, you got to hire a team. That shit a couple of hundred thousand.

Speaker 1:
[46:39] What?

Speaker 2:
[46:39] My man, what? Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[46:41] Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 2:
[46:44] What you think, shit free?

Speaker 1:
[46:45] To get a song on a radio is a couple hundred thousand.

Speaker 2:
[46:47] You got to have a team.

Speaker 6:
[46:48] What you mean?

Speaker 2:
[46:49] To work out, you got the chiropractor, you got the shooter, you got the diss, you got that. This is to make music fly. You got to pay somebody who works the record. There's a million fucking records come out every week. You're not listening.

Speaker 1:
[47:05] Hold on, so if I want to put out some music and I want my shit done.

Speaker 2:
[47:09] You are definitely not getting to play, T-Mac. Maybe my nigga Stack Jack can play his shit and Matt Barnes and them.

Speaker 1:
[47:18] I'm not talking about me.

Speaker 4:
[47:19] You might get a spin on it.

Speaker 3:
[47:21] Let them do it.

Speaker 1:
[47:23] So if somebody want to put out some music and they want their shit on Hot 97.

Speaker 3:
[47:28] You got to hire a team.

Speaker 2:
[47:29] You got to hire a team. You got to hire, of course.

Speaker 4:
[47:33] What is a team?

Speaker 3:
[47:33] You can get it on Hot 97.

Speaker 1:
[47:35] What's the bill?

Speaker 3:
[47:35] Don't you know it's-

Speaker 2:
[47:36] Couple of hundred dollars.

Speaker 4:
[47:37] The whole world got Hot 97.

Speaker 1:
[47:39] So that's just one station.

Speaker 2:
[47:41] Right.

Speaker 1:
[47:41] So that's what I'm getting at. This one station, what am I putting in to get my shit played on this one station?

Speaker 3:
[47:47] No, and then they got syndicate, they got stations that's connected to 50 stations. I mean, there's a whole series of high bands.

Speaker 1:
[47:54] So you paying to get your shit distributed to all of that.

Speaker 4:
[47:57] You need to get it everywhere.

Speaker 3:
[47:59] You need to spend it on all of them stations to get to become a number one.

Speaker 1:
[48:04] What's my ticket?

Speaker 2:
[48:05] Let me explain. Couple of hundred thousand.

Speaker 3:
[48:09] Let me explain.

Speaker 2:
[48:10] Yo, T-Mac, listen to what I'm saying. There's one million hip hop records that come out every week. One million. Every day now? One million. Right. The radio got 12 to 16 songs that they play on rotation that you hear all day. You gotta hire a team to get your record, you know, to keep talking to the radio. Yo, could you play Jadakiss this week? Could you play Fat Joe? Give us a little something, see if it blow. You gotta hire a team to do that. But in any case, my band is the boss of all bosses of all radio. Look me in the face and say, listen. No old nigger music. I said, what do you mean? If Mary J. Blass come out with a hit, we're not playing it. If Jay-Z comes out with a hit, we're not playing it. If Nas come, they just let me know that Fat Joe's expendable. He don't even want to tell me, me. He's like, yo, their shit come out, we're not playing it. So be clear, Joe, you're wasting your money.

Speaker 1:
[49:16] What's, why?

Speaker 2:
[49:17] Because they got an age limit. Whoever the radio stations is, they keep trying to look at a younger audience.

Speaker 3:
[49:25] They did all that and I bite them in the ass because young people don't listen to the radio.

Speaker 2:
[49:29] I think now, they don't. Young kids stream. So that's what I was just trying to explain. It takes an old to get in the car right now in New York. You go now and you play the radio, you old. That's like smoking a cigarette in front of the building. Yo, is smoking analytic now. This shit is like got the vape. you smoking a cigarette now? You old school. They smoking with fluidity now. in it and they keep it moving. You listen to the radio, you a dinosaur. My daughter ain't listening, his son ain't listening to this fucking radio, but they want them. So they like, y'all we gotta play all the young shit, this that. Now if it's a young cat that got fluidity, who got some hot shit out. I mean, I wanna hear it on the radio too. I'm not gatekeeping. I'm not telling you that we gonna fight.

Speaker 3:
[50:24] Good music is good music. It shouldn't be whoever, whatever, whatever.

Speaker 2:
[50:29] We gonna, not just music, in life.

Speaker 3:
[50:30] Size, whatever.

Speaker 2:
[50:31] Like some people get mad that we got a podcast now. I don't look at it no different than you. I don't look at it no different than Chuck and Shaq and them. They played the game.

Speaker 4:
[50:47] Joe and Jada show.com. We got new merch, fresh off the presses. Go get it, big, out of big, bomb. Joe and Jada show.com. You can get these, little cold for a T-shirt, with a hoodie, it's a big.

Speaker 2:
[51:03] It's my favorite right there. I need an extra large. Joe and Jada show.com. Go there and get it.

Speaker 3:
[51:19] Tell us about the Cousins podcast with you and Vince.

Speaker 2:
[51:23] I want to hear from y'all.

Speaker 1:
[51:25] Yeah, so we, man, you know, Cousin and I, we talk on the phone often, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3:
[51:35] Are y'all the first Cousins? It had to be other Cousins in the NBA, but I don't know, y'all might be the nicest Cousins.

Speaker 2:
[51:41] No, not too superstars.

Speaker 3:
[51:42] Yeah, no, I don't think there's no other Cousins.

Speaker 2:
[51:44] Yo, give me a diet Pepsi, please.

Speaker 3:
[51:45] Nobody's equivalent to you and Vince, except for Cousins in it.

Speaker 1:
[51:49] Not that I could think of, but we have some Cousins that are pretty good. Shea and his Cousin.

Speaker 3:
[51:55] Oh, shit, yeah, the Alexander's, they got Shea and his Cousins.

Speaker 2:
[51:57] No, they're not Vince Carter and Tracy McGrady. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1:
[52:02] But no, so we talk on the phone, man, often, hour, two hours, about family, about life, about the game, and opportunity came up for the podcast. I mean, we watch all the podcasts and are out here.

Speaker 2:
[52:17] No, we're the biggest in the bagageture.

Speaker 1:
[52:19] And when the opportunity came, I didn't want to do it, but then we start talking about numbers. That caught my attention.

Speaker 2:
[52:31] How do you analyze numbers? How do you see your podcast turning into money?

Speaker 1:
[52:38] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[52:38] Monetize.

Speaker 1:
[52:39] Well, I mean, that's obviously sponsorships. The more sponsors you get, the more money you're going to start making. But I think for us, you see a lot of bullshit out here on the podcast. trying to create stories and narratives and poking and trying to grab your attention on some non-authentic shit. But that's not what we want to do. Everything we want to put out is just real and authentic and be relatable, and not just trying to create a firestorm on social media. That's not my thing. I'm cool on that. That shit is not sustainable. You're just creating and trying to make up some shit. Then you get caught in your bullshit that you said.

Speaker 2:
[53:20] We call it non-fluidity.

Speaker 1:
[53:23] It was just about, man, really with all the shit that I got lined up with my 101 lead, with ABCD, the camp that I got coming out with NBC. It was only right that I started it with him. No doubt.

Speaker 2:
[53:37] Perfect.

Speaker 3:
[53:38] How's the new broadcasting gig with Vince and Melo and them guys over there? How's that going?

Speaker 1:
[53:44] Dope. Dope. Hall of Fame class. Mel, Maria, Cuzzle, for them.

Speaker 2:
[53:51] Who's the girl? They got a girl here?

Speaker 1:
[53:53] Yeah, Maria Taylor. They put a good team together. You know, Mel coming. He's staying Melo, doing his thing, very articulate, funny, pro-Knicks.

Speaker 2:
[54:04] That's on what? NBC.

Speaker 1:
[54:07] Yeah, with NBC.

Speaker 2:
[54:09] Because then we got my guys over there at Prime. They're getting busy too, Dirk.

Speaker 1:
[54:14] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.

Speaker 2:
[54:17] That's cool too. I love seeing all of y'all. I like seeing D-Way's on NBC.

Speaker 1:
[54:23] They got the new analysts that are spread out with different companies that are doing a great job of pushing the game forward. Before, they was talking about how the old niggas was just shitting on the players. I think the new regime is doing a great job really uplifting these guys.

Speaker 2:
[54:43] I want to be the Knicks analyst.

Speaker 1:
[54:45] Come on, man. You come on NBC.

Speaker 2:
[54:47] We're right.

Speaker 1:
[54:47] We 40 minutes. We don't win. We're in Stanford. We're in Stanford, Connecticut.

Speaker 2:
[54:51] On Stanford, Connecticut?

Speaker 1:
[54:52] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[54:53] I want a job. And Stephen A. Smith was sitting right there. He said, you ain't never getting a job, Joe. He said, by the time you explain your story, the whole game will be over, Joe. He said, this trying to sue. I forget who told me, yo, you should have told that motherfucker, go fuck himself. You could do whatever. Somebody told me. Somebody told me, some analyst told me, you should have told him, go fuck himself. You could do whatever you want, Joe. Don't let them count your blessings.

Speaker 1:
[55:23] You gotta be quick. You gotta be quick on TV. You gotta be quick.

Speaker 2:
[55:26] Yeah, you gotta be quick.

Speaker 1:
[55:27] Yeah, man.

Speaker 2:
[55:27] That's why you say like, Joe, by the time you start to, hey, I knew him in kindergarten shit in the game.

Speaker 1:
[55:32] Yeah, no, you can't be telling. Your story's gotta be clipped.

Speaker 2:
[55:36] You won't even have enough flags on the show. You like, cause they movin. They movin, they playin the game.

Speaker 1:
[55:44] They play by play, like the end game play by? No, I ain't with that.

Speaker 3:
[55:47] Who's it like, that's what he didn't tell you. He told Stephen A he want Walt Clyde Frazier's job.

Speaker 1:
[55:52] Nah.

Speaker 3:
[55:53] Look, see?

Speaker 1:
[55:54] Nah, you don't want that. Yo, you'll still be on first story. Your don't want 10 trips up the car. You ain't said a play yet.

Speaker 2:
[56:02] Flag on the plate, you gotta give me a shot.

Speaker 1:
[56:04] Swish in addition.

Speaker 2:
[56:06] Swish in addition. Listen, I come from nothing.

Speaker 5:
[56:09] I think I could adjust.

Speaker 2:
[56:11] After one game, after one week, I'll be like, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, I had some crazy moments in my career.

Speaker 1:
[56:30] We talked about one. What is like? Like, give me one of your best verses you've said.

Speaker 2:
[56:38] I'm gonna tell you his best moment in hip hop history.

Speaker 1:
[56:42] Oh, I already know what his is. I'm talking to you.

Speaker 2:
[56:44] What was it?

Speaker 1:
[56:45] Shit, when he, the verses joint.

Speaker 5:
[56:47] Verses joint.

Speaker 1:
[56:48] Yo, the verses joint.

Speaker 2:
[56:50] He took a shot at me too. He said, y'all them guys, the fake New York guys live in Miami.

Speaker 5:
[56:56] I'm like, oh, I had the Hermes, kiddo.

Speaker 2:
[56:59] I'm looking like Miami. I had the Coach Brown sneaker on. Little ass came off the yacht.

Speaker 5:
[57:06] got hoodie zone on.

Speaker 1:
[57:07] He was talking to me.

Speaker 2:
[57:08] Who's chisties? I'm up in there looking like Hermes. I'm like, you guys, fake New Yorkers living in Miami. You said come to my block.

Speaker 1:
[57:16] When you say kiss, I'm outside. I'm outside, baby.

Speaker 2:
[57:19] I'm outside. Ain't that Colorado?

Speaker 1:
[57:23] No, that was fire, that was fire.

Speaker 2:
[57:27] 81, but you a guy that we believe you couldn't hit 81.

Speaker 5:
[57:33] I believe you couldn't hit 81.

Speaker 2:
[57:36] In the versus, I knew your scoring champion. I asked you a question, bro. Nobody thought that you was gonna have a problem. My best verse, I could give you a break. I'm gonna tell you right now. My best verse of all time was with Big L, the enemy. Enough's enough, fed a rouse, try to set me up, put me in cuffs and crush what I lust into dust. Plus, they want a nigga soul, but they know Big Joe we crack and never rat a cat. That he know for sure, that before the sauna. Now that one, Big L is my little brother, digging in the craze and he threatened me. We had D&D studio where Primo did the beat and he was like, yo, I'm going to take all your fans. He made me write this shit in front of him. He was like, yo, I'm going, and so I take the most pride in that Burkett. But I think my biggest moment ever that I ever felt like a fake versus, because he had the world in his hand, was Lean Back at Summer Jam. That shit was only out two days, right? Hot 97 fronted on me performing there. Hot 97, the actual structure, Homer Hip Hop said, nah, you can't perform. I understand it was only two days old. Little John, that's why I said it took a brother in the remix, it took a downside brother to bring your boy out. Little John said, I want you to do that new song. Two days. My lifestyle was like that in the hood too. Two days. And that's 70,000 started leaning back. And that's how we knew, that's a, I seen Kanye West. That's the time in my life. Kanye West was performing that day. I seen him in the back. Somebody must have told him, he gon do the Lean Back. He was peeking out the back like, and them niggas went crazy. Two days. The whole stadium was like, we actually did it, I think twice in a row. And it was just, that was my moment where I was like, and I needed it. You know, all my hits came at a time where, you know, I really needed that hit. You know, financially. Y'all look at my man with the weather spoons on, man. You got the Ryan Witherspoons on.

Speaker 3:
[59:53] Yeah, I don't really.

Speaker 1:
[59:55] You got too many.

Speaker 3:
[59:57] I think just different meaning.

Speaker 1:
[60:00] Different feelings, different emotions.

Speaker 3:
[60:02] It's got to be, it will probably be one with X or one with Big. You know what I mean? Because those are the days you was able to be in the studio with them and make this song.

Speaker 1:
[60:13] That's that competition.

Speaker 3:
[60:14] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[60:15] Makes you stay, set your game up.

Speaker 2:
[60:17] Back in the day.

Speaker 1:
[60:17] Set your game up. So you're actually in the studio with these dudes.

Speaker 2:
[60:21] John Blaze and all that. They was there. Nas was there, Ray Korn's there, he's there. Everybody's there. Back in the day, it wasn't no fire.

Speaker 3:
[60:32] I think that's what separates the music of today. You can be in Egypt and somebody send you the files or the stems. That could never compare to being in the same room.

Speaker 1:
[60:44] Iron stoppin iron, man.

Speaker 3:
[60:46] It's a difference.

Speaker 2:
[60:47] Just imagine you have like everybody got a little input. So everybody's there working together.

Speaker 3:
[60:56] It's gonna come out better.

Speaker 2:
[60:58] It's gonna come out better. And I believe in great minds, more than one. And so at that time, it was a great time for hip hop where everybody was working with each other. Another thing for me is that, you know, this guy, I don't know, you know, Jay Z, Big Pun, Jadakiss, Eminem, they were just gonna be rappers. There's just no way around it. He was born, you know, some people were fucking carpenters, some people are bakers, something. They just born with that shit. Me, I weaseled to my way in as a street hustler and said, this is the way out. I'm gonna talk some real shit and work on my shit to get better.

Speaker 1:
[61:45] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[61:45] Right? So when I finally put like a number one out the park, I couldn't believe it. I was on my knees praying to God, like, yo, what the fuck? Because it's like number one.

Speaker 1:
[61:58] What was the first one?

Speaker 2:
[61:59] I'm like, out of here.

Speaker 1:
[62:00] What was the first one?

Speaker 2:
[62:01] What's love? And Irv Gotti, Rest In Peace, called me. I was in Houston, Texas. I was at a Marriott marquee and he woke me up. He just was like, it's platinum. It's number one. And I was just like, what? And I went on my knees immediately and started praying to God because I couldn't believe, wow, Fat Joey from Forrest Projects got a number one. Everybody singing this shit everywhere. That shit was unreal. And every time I did it, every time I had a number one, a number two or a top 10 record, I couldn't believe it. I never could believe it. I was just like, yo, this is crazy. We put one out again. We give it there. It's just really nothing like that. It's like you were at a dunk contest or some shit. I don't know how to explain it. Here we got like, here we don't, well, here I'm from the hood. Miami, I'm bougie. Know what I'm saying? So here, we don't have malls. We got like Fordham Road. We got 125th. We get, bro, it's nothing like standing out there and you hear every single car.

Speaker 1:
[63:14] Bumping your shit.

Speaker 2:
[63:15] Bumping your shit. And they used to do it.

Speaker 1:
[63:19] No doubt.

Speaker 2:
[63:19] I'm not going to lie. It was a big moment to me when I would be like, if I dropped the album and I went to 125th and every car was driving by, bumping that shit. You ever did that?

Speaker 1:
[63:31] No. That's like me, man.

Speaker 2:
[63:32] You ever did that?

Speaker 1:
[63:34] Going around, going to other countries.

Speaker 3:
[63:35] Everybody did that.

Speaker 1:
[63:36] Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3:
[63:38] So that was the way to see, that was lit before lit.

Speaker 4:
[63:42] Yeah, you go see where your shit is at.

Speaker 3:
[63:45] You got to go outside and see they coming by for you.

Speaker 2:
[63:47] Man, that's like seeing people on the road. We got your shit. We playing this shit. Yo, this shit is hot.

Speaker 5:
[63:54] That was it.

Speaker 1:
[63:55] No, I know that feeling, man. That's like the first time I saw somebody on my shoes or on my signature shoe. That shit was dope. And I just, that's all I used to look for, man. Damn, they got the max on.

Speaker 2:
[64:08] That's another moment. Let me tell you what happened to me. We put out the Terror Squad of the Air Force, right? And I think I was in Vegas or somewhere. I had a show. Man, they sent me pictures of the lines out the stores. I was looking at every customer's face. Like, the sneakers are different. Like, so I'm looking at every, I'm like, yo, they with us. Yo, they did for the sneaker. That's different. Putting out a sneaker and it's fucking lines down the block. I still got the pictures on my phone. I looked at every single person. I was like, yo, this shit is crazy. Well, I should be at the house to send me some pictures from Dubai. Dubai ain't even into sneaker culture like that. They had a line out that shit. Ten minutes, they bought them shits out in Dubai. And I was looking at every single person's face. Because what kind of love they got to have to go spend a hundred something dollars on a pair of sneakers is different for just even the music. But yeah, I'll give you one thing and then we go. When Big Pun died, the day Big Pun died, that night Steph Marbury used to be, we was family. We was with him every day. And Steph said, watch the game. And so the stronger Steph was, he was more of a finesse player. He liked to shoot, he liked to lay it up, he liked to cross shoot. That night, he had a fast break and he did it. A windmill, 360, boom, it dunked that shit. And when he landed, he pointed up to the sky. And after the game, I talked to him, he was like, that's for puns, you seen the dunk? I was like, yo Steph, good looking, man. That shit was crazy that night, he did that shit. You know, those are moments, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1:
[65:57] You gotta create those moments, man. Those are the ones that last. It's all about those moments. That's crazy moments.

Speaker 2:
[66:04] Man, I'm tuning in to your podcast. I don't watch a lot of podcasts cause we number one. So why are we gonna watch number two and number three? Or number four? We all get money.

Speaker 1:
[66:15] I don't give a damn. Number one, number two, number three.

Speaker 2:
[66:17] Shut out the Stat. Shut out the Stat. I fuck with Stat. And Matt Barnes, I fuck with their shit. A lot of people. Shout out to my brother Norrie for inspiring me to even get in the game. Papi. Papi, we love you. And so it's a, you know, I'll just be talking my shit, threatening everybody, just get them on up, got rid of a whole section of dudes.

Speaker 1:
[66:41] That's enough money. He told me to have mercy.

Speaker 2:
[66:44] Yo, yo, your man Jada Kiss really for the streets. He really loved the streets. He said, yo, mercy. He came to me and said, mercy, Joe, mercy, Joe. You're going too crazy on these guys. Please let them eat, man. Stop. And I backed up.

Speaker 3:
[66:59] I'm from that. I'm from the dirty section.

Speaker 2:
[67:00] Oh, my God.

Speaker 3:
[67:02] I am the dirty section. Ah!

Speaker 2:
[67:06] Yo, look, what you doing there with the hustable shit on right now? Yo, you looking real rich right now.

Speaker 3:
[67:11] You got to make it to the dirty section sometimes, man.

Speaker 2:
[67:13] Look at this. Nah, you want this.

Speaker 1:
[67:16] Hey, please, feel me before I get out of here real quick. Feel me.

Speaker 2:
[67:19] Kiss. You got a record, T-Mac? Oh, Nigel Sebastian just came in with a record. Oh, you got a request?

Speaker 3:
[67:27] You want to hear a film?

Speaker 1:
[67:28] Yeah, I got to hear a film before I get out of here. I got to go do another interview.

Speaker 2:
[67:38] Wasting your time doing a podcast with somebody else. I'm telling you, there's no flow with it.

Speaker 1:
[67:42] You want me to come over here with y'all?

Speaker 2:
[67:44] I'm just saying, whenever you want to come up and do a podcast, you come to here, sports and hip hop. Everybody else trash.

Speaker 3:
[67:51] All I want you to do is feel me.

Speaker 1:
[67:54] Yeah, I'm going to walk off on this one.

Speaker 2:
[67:58] You play this in the locker room?