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Speaker 1:
[00:08] It's 1994, and you're standing on Park Avenue, shooting what will become your most acclaimed role. Your name is Linda Fiorentino, and the film is The Last Seduction. You do not know yet that it will air on cable before it hits theaters, and that technicality will keep you from Oscar consideration. Right now, the light is good, the director is happy, and a cab driver missed his light because he was looking at you. After a decade in the business, you are thinking that this is the beginning of something. Years later, you're sitting across from the notorious Hollywood private eye. A producer has ripped you off. Money, a credit, the specifics will blur. And Anthony Pelicano says that he can help, so you hire him. Many will wonder if your relationship was more than just business. Because years after that, you meet an FBI agent at a liens on Second Avenue. He's from Washington. He does counterterrorism. And within weeks, he will transfer to New York to be closer to you. He'd do anything for you. Oh, really? Because now that he mentions it, your old friend Anthony is in a bit of trouble. He's on trial for racketeering, identity theft, illegal wiretaps. He's the kind of operator who has left a dead fish on a nosy reporter's windshield, with a rose in its mouth and a sign that said, stop. So the FBI agent sits at his desk at the bureau and types a name into a computer, Anthony Pelicano. He does this 40 times. Then he prints a confidential document and hands it to you over dinner. And you give it right to the privatized lawyers. Anthony is convicted and sentenced to 15 years. The agent loses his career, but powerful men take care of those who take care of them. And later, when the agent is wrapped up in a scheme to bribe the governor of Puerto Rico, the reality star-turned president makes it go away. And you, you discover that what you thought was the beginning was actually the end, and you quietly retire. This week on Wait a Second, we're talking about James Dolan in arena surveillance, gambling busts, and the weirdest year in the NBA. Welcome to Wait a Second, I'm Jason Concepcion, that's Tyler Parker.

Speaker 2:
[02:33] What's up?

Speaker 1:
[02:34] Today we're joined by the co-host, co-host?

Speaker 2:
[02:36] Co-host, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[02:37] Co-host of No Fouls Given, Wosny Lambre. Great to have you in studio. I wish we had-

Speaker 2:
[02:43] I'm happy to be here.

Speaker 1:
[02:44] I wish we had overlapped more significantly.

Speaker 2:
[02:47] That would have been sick.

Speaker 1:
[02:48] And today we're gonna talk about, we're gonna talk about the Knicks, we're gonna talk about Madison Square Garden, we're gonna talk about James Dolan in the wake of this wired piece that came out in collaboration with Publatory Finds Out, titled The Shocking Secrets of Madison Square Garden, Surveillance Machine, written by Noah Schachman and Robert Silverman. Full disclosure, I wrote a book with Robert Silverman, so that's my guy. Some key takeaways from the piece. The Knicks gave up an absolutely atrocious loss to the Hawks last night. That's the first takeaway.

Speaker 2:
[03:25] That's the takeaway from the Surveillance.

Speaker 1:
[03:27] The first things first. Despicable loss. It can't be where Jalen Brunson and whoever passes Jalen Brunson the ball are the only guys that touch the ball for multiple possessions at a time. That can't be the case. Carl Indian Towns is popping out and you just know he's not going to get the ball. He's got it. Whatever. Other takeaways. MSG Security intensely tracked the movements of a transgender Knicks fan who is going so far as to log the amounts of time she spent in the bathroom. Dolan's security operation extended beyond the confines of MSG to his other related properties, Radio City, the Sphere. Pablo on this pod talks about an anecdote in which MSG calls the cops on a Colorado teen who was apparently taking shots at Dolan online. MSG bans, the band list includes employees of law firms involved in lawsuits against Dolan properties and fans who wore Sell the Team shirts or said or yelled at Dolan to sell the team. And we should say that MSG has issued a response saying that the story was false, misleading and unverified allegations. What is it like to report from MSG?

Speaker 2:
[04:44] Man, you know, so funny. I've only ever been there under our current jobs once. And I did not go, I just didn't want to deal with MSG PR because I've heard-

Speaker 1:
[05:04] They're infamous.

Speaker 2:
[05:05] I've heard things. So what ended up happening is I was friends with somebody who was an employee and I just ended up getting taken to the media section and I saw my guy, Bond Temps. I saw, who else did I see? I saw a few people, Ian Begley.

Speaker 1:
[05:22] Great Ian Begley, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[05:24] I saw a few, Fred Katz.

Speaker 3:
[05:26] Fred, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[05:27] So I saw all my New York guys in the media section, but I didn't go through MSG. And when I had went, this was after, because Ethan had put out something about the kid who was talking shit about Dolan online getting harassed at the game.

Speaker 3:
[05:47] Right, right, right.

Speaker 2:
[05:48] And so I was very conscious of this as I'm walking. I mean, I'm sure I've said shit about James Dolan in my life. I might even set it on Bill, which is an easy way to get noticed for saying something. But I've only ever been once and I didn't go through the media channels, the PR channels.

Speaker 1:
[06:09] Yeah, my main thought reading this very lengthy piece was that my name's gotta be, like they have to have me on something. I did go to a game, like I went to a Christmas Day game two years ago. Didn't seem to be a problem.

Speaker 2:
[06:24] Did you go as media? Did you get a regular ticket?

Speaker 1:
[06:26] No, I just got a regular ticket.

Speaker 3:
[06:27] Yeah, but surely they can, I guess that activates too, right? Like that's gotta be, that's gotta trip. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[06:35] Maybe the facial recognition wasn't like on point. Maybe I look terrible now, like I look different.

Speaker 2:
[06:42] I thought you were going to take that somewhere else.

Speaker 1:
[06:45] Wait a second. I look significantly different or something. But on stuff that I used to do here at the Ring or NBA Desktop, we had a Sell the Team episode of NBA Desktop. We had an episode where we set the Knicks tragedies to the tune of Les Mis. This episode is brought to you by Brooks Running. Max softness, max energy, max run. Go on a run that never runs out in the new Brooks Glycerin Max 2. Dual cell DNA-tuned cushion is optimized for soft landings and powerful toe-offs, while a glide roll rocker helps provide a more fluid step-through to help you truly tune out and max your run. Shop the Glycerin Max 2 at brooksrunning.com.

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Speaker 1:
[08:12] But I'll say this, I'll defend Dolan in this way. While it certainly seems like Dolan is an outlier in terms of the way he is willing to use these technologies and his own private security force, as like tools against people he does not like, like people who yell, sell the team at him, et cetera. Any arena that you walk into has this stuff. And it may just be that these other owners are wiser in the way that they broadcast how they use it. Because like Intuit Dome is one that I think of.

Speaker 2:
[08:58] Have you been to a Clippers game?

Speaker 1:
[09:01] So first of all, you can't get in without downloading the app. The app is harvesting all kinds of data from your phone. They do take your biometrics. You can opt out of it, but it's like one line is, you just go straight through. The other line is like goes around the arena.

Speaker 3:
[09:18] Which one are you going to pick?

Speaker 2:
[09:19] Set instruction.

Speaker 3:
[09:21] Well, it's also like if you're, it extends to the concession stands areas, right? So if you're going to try to go get something to eat fast and get back to your seat like they want you to, it almost only makes sense for you to do the facial recognition or else you're having to stand there and deal with one of the people who's working it, who is only sometimes there, and then you got to hand them a credit card and there's a whole process. Everything is incentivized like, hey, just show us your face.

Speaker 2:
[09:50] I went very early on into the first Clipper season at Intuit, did the whole thing, the app, the download, the facial recognition. For a fact, I never uploaded my payment information, so I got a dog, a burger, and a pizza for free.

Speaker 1:
[10:10] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[10:10] Yeah, it never, because they encourage you to just take the shit.

Speaker 3:
[10:14] Yeah, they want you to keep it pushing.

Speaker 1:
[10:16] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[10:16] Right. Never got charged for it.

Speaker 3:
[10:17] But you didn't have to, you didn't.

Speaker 1:
[10:19] Allegedly. Allegedly, Steve.

Speaker 2:
[10:21] Come get me, bummer. You want your 50 bucks? Come find me.

Speaker 3:
[10:24] It feels like he's doing well.

Speaker 2:
[10:26] He can spare it.

Speaker 3:
[10:29] Could you get through the gate, though? Or are you at a different area where you can't just...

Speaker 2:
[10:33] So it was in the Grey Goose Lounge. I don't know what the sponsor is talking about. But you go in and it's like, almost like a cafeteria. You grab... Oh, no!

Speaker 3:
[10:43] Tyler! I'm so sorry.

Speaker 1:
[10:47] We're all good.

Speaker 3:
[10:50] I grabbed because you said grass.

Speaker 2:
[10:51] And you said the head.

Speaker 3:
[10:52] Jesus.

Speaker 1:
[10:54] What were we talking about?

Speaker 2:
[10:55] We were talking about Intuit.

Speaker 1:
[10:56] Intuit. Intuit is not necessarily special in this way. But they take your data and they do lots of stuff with it. Intuit, I think, is kind of like on the forefront in the way that it collects data about you. They have a system called the Behavioral Reinforcement System. You know about this? No. So they have Bluetooth and ultra-wideband sensors in the seats. So they know how loud you are cheering, and if you're standing up a lot, like if you're engaged. And they take that and they make it a score. And that, they say, can be used if you have a good score to get promotions on tickets, breaks on food. Et cetera, et cetera, but...

Speaker 3:
[11:42] I think they often announce like, this was the loudest fan of the game.

Speaker 1:
[11:46] Yeah, they will do that.

Speaker 3:
[11:48] Because they were the la... Their seat was, whatever that is.

Speaker 1:
[11:51] And, you know, not to single them out, MSG does this too, but they take your... All the data that they get from you go somewhere else. So for instance, if you connect to arena Wi-Fi, which don't connect to arena Wi-Fi, but if you do, use a VPN. But even if you don't, your phone is, like, looking for signals all the time, right? So when it's looking, like, hey, is there Wi-Fi here? Is there a cell tower here? It's telling the sensors that are looking for that, like, here's the names of my, like, the Wi-Fis that I connect to a lot. So it knows your home Wi-Fi address and name. It knows your work Wi-Fi address and name probably. And from that, they know where you work now, they know where you live, and they can triangulate all sorts of stuff. If you do connect to the Wi-Fi, you're probably giving it your email address, your phone number, your contact list, your social media profiles. And all that stuff gets, like, chopped up. The arena sells it, passes it on to a data broker vendor, and then that stuff goes everywhere. Like, one of the ways that the government right now, like, avoids having to get warrants for people, especially with, like, the immigration enforcement that's going on, is, rather than have to go to a judge and be like, I want to search this person's computer, et cetera, they just go on the open market and be like, has this person been to an arena? Like, has their phone connected to any public Wi-Fis? What can I get? What can I just buy? And that's how they will get information that goes to DHS, the FBI. And that's every arena. So while Dolan is, he comes away looking like a madman on this.

Speaker 3:
[13:41] These are like the behaviors of a-

Speaker 2:
[13:42] Because he is a madman.

Speaker 3:
[13:44] And a loser. I think that's another thing that needs to be established. This is a loser. Who's doing losership?

Speaker 1:
[13:50] Let me get the profile and then the full face like this. Oh, yeah, sorry.

Speaker 3:
[13:56] I'm not going to go to a Nick game anytime soon. It'll be fine.

Speaker 2:
[13:59] It's just so petty, it feels like, with Dolan, where he's score settling with internet dudes. Like, okay, an internet dude said you should sell the team, then came the MSG and paid to sit there. Like, he put money in your pocket at the end of the day. But he's so, I guess, insecure. He's such an insecure guy that this kind of stuff drives him up a wall. And I just find it to be kind of funny, to be honest. And it's just so funny that this drops literally in the most competent, consistently competent era of Knicks basketball in 30 years.

Speaker 1:
[14:42] 20 plus, 20 plus for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[14:44] Yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess you could say the Spreewell years was like three, four years just like this has been.

Speaker 1:
[14:51] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[14:52] But like since the Pat Riley years, which he, you know, he wasn't involved in because his daddy hadn't given him the team yet.

Speaker 1:
[14:59] Not fully, had not fully given him control.

Speaker 2:
[15:01] And yo, by the way, from reading Ethan and watching Pablo, like, and I guess this might have been before he sold the towel group, which is like towel restaurant, Lavo, all this other shit. I'm just like, man, am I going to be able to go to these fucking places? You know what I mean? Like, it's so weird. Like, I was just like, man, I would be mortified if I showed up to the fucking towel in Hollywood.

Speaker 1:
[15:30] And they're like, no.

Speaker 2:
[15:30] Somebody invited me for drinks and they're like, you can't come in. Nah, kid. You're on a certain list.

Speaker 3:
[15:37] You'll be handed some like, you're trespassing summons from them. That's like what happens to the nuts. Those people that go to MSG that try to get in or whatever, they get handed, they're literally handed like you are trespassing.

Speaker 1:
[15:50] Some of the biggest things that MSG and associated properties have done is, one, there's the lawyer ban. This one's famous. It dates back to 2018. Any law firm that is involved in any litigation against a Dolan-associated business. Dolan used the, and his head of security, used the photos of the people that are on the website for the law firm, fed that into the phage of recognition, and now every employee of that company cannot enter an MSG-related property. So there's a story in there about a lady who's an administrative assistant at a law firm, and she was trying to go to a radio station.

Speaker 3:
[16:36] Her daughter.

Speaker 2:
[16:37] That's so freaky.

Speaker 3:
[16:38] To see the Rockettes at Christmas time.

Speaker 2:
[16:41] That's nuts.

Speaker 3:
[16:42] And they turn her away.

Speaker 1:
[16:43] There is the targeted surveillance, as he said, about the transgender fan and also the teenage fan in Colorado, and the fact that the surveillance now extends out into the street. They'll see you coming on the block. Once you step on the block, they'll be like, that one.

Speaker 3:
[16:59] They'll follow people well beyond the bounds of MSG proper. They'll also, he'll send people hundreds of miles away to just go try to spy on Charles Oakley so he can dig up some shit on him.

Speaker 2:
[17:13] So, you know what's another... I hate to do this again, because Adam Silver has kind of become my whipping boy.

Speaker 3:
[17:20] Sure.

Speaker 2:
[17:21] It's just very hard for me to imagine this would happen under David Stern, that this shit could come out and we'd be like, yo bro, you have to cut this out.

Speaker 1:
[17:31] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[17:32] We're not telling you how to run your team, but this is unnecessary and it's bad for our product, to be having this kind of public relations out there to the fans. And it's making it hot for everybody else. Where it's like, wait a minute, everybody else's facial recognition and selling people's data and all of that stuff. It's like, Adam couldn't be bothered to be like, yo, Dolan, come on, bro.

Speaker 1:
[17:58] I mean, recall that the Donnie Walsh, Isaiah Thomas years had gotten had become so toxic at a certain point that David Stern was like, you got to hire Donnie Walsh. Sorry, you got to do it.

Speaker 2:
[18:13] You have to.

Speaker 1:
[18:14] I'm making you hire former Pacers GM Donnie Walsh. Yeah. You must hire him.

Speaker 2:
[18:20] Who was really good in his job.

Speaker 1:
[18:21] He was great. He was great in his job.

Speaker 2:
[18:23] He got fired because he was like, maybe we shouldn't trade 80 picks and all of our young players for Carmelo Anthony. We could sign the guy out right in the summer. Maybe we could just chill out.

Speaker 3:
[18:34] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[18:35] Then he got fired. Shit can't. One of the best GMs in recent memory.

Speaker 1:
[18:38] He was a very solid GM and established-

Speaker 2:
[18:42] Best Nick GMs.

Speaker 1:
[18:43] He had established a proto culture that was not really allowed to take root before they flipped the script. But it's actually a model for what they're doing now in the sense of- The Knicks aren't doing anything different than they used to do, which is hunt stars. They're just doing it in a smarter, more systematic way, which is what Donnie Walsh was trying to do. And I will say that Dolan, part of Dolan's argument, he went on Fox Five and he talked about, oh, with the facial recognition and the lawyers, you know, if you don't want somebody in your house, they're trespassing in your house, why should you let them in your house, right? And now the thing that makes that not work.

Speaker 3:
[19:26] The least charismatic dude in the world trying to talk you into this.

Speaker 1:
[19:29] The reason that that doesn't work as like a metaphor is that, I mean, for one, MSG gets like $400 million in tax breaks a year. They pay no property taxes because they're a public utility, a public good, a public space.

Speaker 2:
[19:43] It's a public trust.

Speaker 1:
[19:44] And so it's like, you're talking about like a billion plus in money that stays in Dolan's pocket because of the position of the place. It sits on a major transit infrastructure. There's the fact that-

Speaker 2:
[20:00] Unbelievable where the Knicks are located in Manhattan.

Speaker 3:
[20:04] It's crazy.

Speaker 2:
[20:04] We really sit and think about it. It's literally in the middle of the city with all of these great transit options to get there. You know, you could walk to various places. Like it's just in an unbelievable part of the city.

Speaker 1:
[20:21] One of my favorite things that he did is now because of, there's been various lawsuits related to the lawyer thing.

Speaker 2:
[20:29] Dolan talking to Lisa Evers, by the way, that was just one of the funniest things that could possibly, it probably wasn't Lisa Evers, but that's who's in my head. Like this guy went on Fox 5. Like this guy is nuts, dude.

Speaker 1:
[20:44] What's your favorite local news, New York news?

Speaker 2:
[20:48] My guy was Ernie Anastos.

Speaker 1:
[20:50] Ernie Anastos, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[20:51] Yeah, that was my guy. Didn't he pass away recently?

Speaker 1:
[20:53] He did pass away, I believe. Connie Chung and Ernie Anastos.

Speaker 2:
[20:55] Connie Chung is a legend, clearly.

Speaker 1:
[20:57] Yeah, those are my two.

Speaker 2:
[20:58] Definitely the two.

Speaker 1:
[20:59] So because of a suit related to the lawyer thing, the state liquor license board got involved.

Speaker 2:
[21:07] Whoa.

Speaker 1:
[21:07] Because MSG is legally a place of public accommodation and any place that is legally presented is that they have to get their liquor license updated all the time and if you service more than 2,500 people, you have to do that constantly well. Because of this lawsuit and the ban, the liquor board was like, we're going to review your license. Dolan goes on Fox 5, holds up a photo of the head of the liquor board, announces the guy's address on the air.

Speaker 2:
[21:42] Wow.

Speaker 1:
[21:43] It says, hey, something to the effect of, if you want to let this guy know how unhappy you are, that the government is reaching its tentacles. Shit to the pocket of a beloved institution like Madison Square Garden. Send him a letter or call him up or whatever. I mean.

Speaker 2:
[22:07] This guy is a maniac.

Speaker 1:
[22:08] I mean, I have a theory because you always hear like money doesn't buy happiness and that's true. But we always have this perception like, man, if I had a billion dollars, you couldn't tell me nothing. I'd buy a mansion somewhere and whatever anybody said, I wouldn't care. But in reality, what happens, I think, is all your anxieties stay there, they're the same, but now you have all this money to throw at it. And you're like, you know, and where like some guy comes at me, whatever in the comments of YouTube video or on the BS subreddit. I know. I saw the people who were like, you know, oh, I see the ringers doing Pablo Finds Out. They got their own, and it's not because he's another Filipino. It's not because it's like both hosts are Filipinos. Yes, it was. Yes, it was. Yes, it was. Yes, it was. But if I had several billion dollars, I could imagine being like, hey, find out who that guy is. Let's find out about it. What can we find out about that guy?

Speaker 2:
[23:13] I've had those feelings before on the Internet.

Speaker 1:
[23:16] And I think that's what's going on here. And I think if anything, I think you said something smart, which is like, he's making the block hot for all these other arenas who have this technology and who knows what they're doing with it. But now it's like people are, because of him, people are being like, wait, what are you doing with my face? Like, how long do you keep it for? Where does it go?

Speaker 2:
[23:37] These are excellent questions. And then, you know, you just see the palantirification of every single space. And look, I don't want to get crazy.

Speaker 3:
[23:48] Get crazy?

Speaker 2:
[23:49] I don't want to.

Speaker 1:
[23:50] That's what this place is for.

Speaker 2:
[23:51] But like, there's certain, like, I got certain conspiracy theories.

Speaker 1:
[23:53] Yes, let's hear it.

Speaker 2:
[23:54] Where like, motherfuckers is like, oh, some old lady at the McDonald's in Altoona recognized Luigi Mangione.

Speaker 1:
[24:04] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[24:05] Yeah. Fuck out of here, bro.

Speaker 2:
[24:07] That's not what happened. That McDonald's kiosk took his fucking picture and put that motherfucker in a database. You know, I see all this Waymo shit and like, man, we were in San Francisco for All-Star Weekend and the last night is Sunday night and I went to one thing and I went to this other thing and they were like selling tacos and I'm drunk and I'm having tacos and it's the end of the night. And so it's like a fleet of these fucking Waymos coming down. One, I'm just like, this is just surveillance.

Speaker 3:
[24:42] San Francisco, there are, if you have not been in San Francisco. Now, there are so many Waymos. It's impossible to overstate how many Waymos are there now.

Speaker 2:
[24:51] So a fleet comes driving down the block orderly. It's almost like a Nazi march, but robotic. Yeah. And because I'm drunk and I'm just in my whatever and I'm like, they're going to put guns on those things one day and shoot us.

Speaker 3:
[25:08] They're already swiveling.

Speaker 2:
[25:10] That's what they're going to do.

Speaker 1:
[25:12] Recently in Ukraine, in occupied Ukraine, the Ukrainians won a battle. They took a position. I don't know if you could call it a battle technically, but they took a Russian position using only robots.

Speaker 2:
[25:25] Wow.

Speaker 1:
[25:26] They just rolled little ATVs with guns and shit on them and had drones overhead and took the foxhole.

Speaker 2:
[25:34] I love it. And to me, this is all related. You know what I mean? Like this idea, and I think people are waking up to it, because I think when we were growing up, this idea that technology was going to be used to open up the world.

Speaker 1:
[25:48] We're going to cure cancer, man.

Speaker 2:
[25:49] We're going to be connected. You're going to be able to talk to somebody in Beijing from Bayside Queens. You know what I mean? It's like all of this utopian shit and everybody's woken up to like, no, it's not. It's only used for money and oppression. They're never going to use this shit to help us.

Speaker 3:
[26:10] Whatever good thing that exists that they could do with this stuff, even if that stuff gets done.

Speaker 1:
[26:17] You're going to get a break on concessions and do it to them. You might get that. Come on now.

Speaker 2:
[26:23] I didn't say 40 bucks there.

Speaker 3:
[26:26] Even if it's possible for there to be these little incremental goods along the way, these people that are in charge of these tech companies that are doing this stuff, they seem too depraved to stop at just the good stuff. They just go beyond.

Speaker 2:
[26:44] Because here's my thing too. I get it. I'm getting really crazy, but I've lost all trust in all of these tech institutions. It's like, you get in a Waymo and you're like, I'm going to the mall. But you got a police warrant, and they lock you in the car and then they just take you to the police.

Speaker 1:
[27:02] Oh yeah, that will happen. I'm sure that will happen.

Speaker 2:
[27:04] 100% that's where they're gonna take that.

Speaker 1:
[27:07] That will happen.

Speaker 2:
[27:08] Period.

Speaker 1:
[27:09] 100% that will happen.

Speaker 2:
[27:10] And it won't be because you actually, it's just like, no, we wanna talk to you. You got in that Waymo, facial recognition, whole his ass all.

Speaker 1:
[27:20] And by the way, I mean, this will surprise no one, but like, testing on facial recognition algorithms have proven that it's less accurate on darker skin faces. So of course, that's where they're gonna be making, they're gonna be making the mistakes on that.

Speaker 3:
[27:39] Sorry buddy, I'm gonna be fine.

Speaker 1:
[27:41] Sorry about it. Sorry about that. And it's hard for me. I'm watching the game the other night and I'm thinking, I wonder if David Zaslav is worried about it, sitting courtside or any of these other folks. How much do you think Timothy Chalamet is like, man, they got me.

Speaker 3:
[27:58] I mean, one of the things, Chalamet, he's gonna be real careful when he goes on Seventh of Brooklyn next time so he doesn't say anything wrong. The, like, is that what it's called? Seventh of Brooklyn? 7 p.m. 7 p.m., my bad.

Speaker 2:
[28:09] Sorry.

Speaker 3:
[28:11] Sorry, Melo. Sorry, Tunde. They talked, one of the points in the piece that I thought was so interesting is that whenever Dolan did do what he did to Oakley initially and, you know, have him carried out of MSG by, like, 7 security and police officers or whatever else, that that was kind of a shot across the bow of, like, we'll do this to Oak.

Speaker 1:
[28:36] Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3:
[28:37] We'll do this to a fan favorite.

Speaker 2:
[28:39] We'll do this to anybody.

Speaker 3:
[28:40] If you think I won't do this to somebody, I will do this to anyone.

Speaker 1:
[28:43] Now, Oak is a wild guy. But, yeah, come on, you wouldn't see this at any other team, especially one that really has tried in the last 15 years or so to invest itself in the legacy and history of the teams that have been good in that building.

Speaker 2:
[29:01] The Nets would never do this to Jason Williams.

Speaker 3:
[29:05] No, never. No, never. Mirza Toledović, he's not getting treated like that.

Speaker 1:
[29:10] Mirza Toledović. So other places that do this, that use facial recognition. NFL, all 32 stadiums use a facial authentication for staff, while the Cleveland Browns and Atlanta Falcons have fan-facing versions. Gillette Stadium is implementing it for the 2026 World Cup. So within a few weeks, that will be active there. MLB has seven stadiums using go-ahead facial recognition entry, the Phillies, the Astros, the Giants, Nationals, Royals, Reds, and Rays. City Field and Coors Field use different kind of facial capture hardware. The NBA and the NHL is into it, which uses game face ID. Capital One Arena, the Wizards and the Capitals, which by the way, if you're going into the Wizards game, they should put your face like on a poster. What are you doing?

Speaker 3:
[30:06] It's the behavior of a deviant.

Speaker 2:
[30:08] The Wizards.

Speaker 1:
[30:09] Come on. Prudential Center, the Devils have a similar system. UBS Arena for the Islanders. Amarant Bank Arena, which is the Carolina Panthers. And then special venues, SoFi and the Sphere and Dolan property. Use persistent facial enrollment to automatically archive and search every face that enters. And of course, read your terms of service. Here's a good usage for if you've got a free account to ChatGPT or quad. Just take your terms of service, drop it in there and be like, you don't even need a paid account to do this. And just be like, what does this mean? And it'll tell you how long they used your face for, how long they might save it for, and where it goes, what they might sell it for. I mean, we actually, it'd be interesting to know what the actual economy, like what-

Speaker 3:
[31:01] I really hope my face catches a really high price. I hope they're paying top dollar for my face. I'm sure they're not.

Speaker 2:
[31:07] By the way, and there's tech people who I follow and I follow their work and they're more What's the word? They're more trusting of where this is all going. What they'll say is, nobody's sending your individual name, address, blah, blah, blah, blah. You fit into a profile of a person and they send it off so that Facebook can sell you jeans with seven zippers on them.

Speaker 3:
[31:39] Sure.

Speaker 2:
[31:40] Right. That is not this hyper-focused on you type of thing. But I just like, it's sitting there.

Speaker 3:
[31:49] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[31:49] I would have believed that before AI.

Speaker 3:
[31:53] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[31:53] Because now the thing is they don't need a guy. They don't need a guy reading your file. They just feed it into the thing and it'll be like, boop, boop, boop, this guy.

Speaker 2:
[32:02] This is probably who it is.

Speaker 1:
[32:03] Yeah. This guy fits the profile of this. I searched, I don't know why. I searched cowboy hats the other day, and now I'm getting all these ads on the playoff game for like Tekovas for Western gear.

Speaker 3:
[32:20] Tekovas really, you're going to be getting a lot of ads from Tekovas. I've, as someone who has purchased cowboy boots before and checked Tekovas site and not bought Tekovas, I'm getting a lot of activity from Tekovas at all times, truly.

Speaker 1:
[32:33] What do you think Adam Silver could do? We mentioned that David Stern basically forced Donnie Walsh on the Knicks. But what could he actually say? What do you think Stern would do if this was going on right now?

Speaker 2:
[32:49] I think you just play dirty. For instance, the Utah Jazz doing their egregious fucking tanking. Frozen envelope, yo ass. You getting the worst pick possible. Watch. And I dare you to prove it. Right? It's just like, all right, we're going to strategically air some of this guy's dirty laundry through somebody else some other way. Like, you just play dirty. That's it. It's not like this, oh, sensuous, sternly worded letter and I tried to rally some other owners on behalf. It's like, no, you got to play dirty. I know where the bodies are buried, motherfucker.

Speaker 1:
[33:26] David famously said that.

Speaker 2:
[33:28] You know what I mean? I think that's the only way to wrangle some of these guys. I get it. Adam Silver works for James Dolan to a certain extent, but I don't believe that he's just this powerless actor who just has to do whatever the owners say. At a certain point, you did triple the fucking TV contract. That's got to come with some kind of professional cache.

Speaker 1:
[33:54] Some kind of juice. Well, Dolan hates it. Whatever happened with the new TV deal, Dolan is the loudest voice hating all of that.

Speaker 2:
[34:04] I think the RSN of it all is where he's kind of chapped because he's one of the few people that still was making a lot of money off the RSN.

Speaker 1:
[34:13] He's also demanded that the league audit its finances and say, who are all these people? Who are all these executive vice presidents? What do they do on a daily basis?

Speaker 2:
[34:22] I don't want to snitch on myself, but hey, man. The league is a very generous league.

Speaker 3:
[34:28] I'll say that.

Speaker 1:
[34:30] All right. Well, it's been, I mean, this is one chapter in what I think has been one of the weirdest seasons in the game. Like we don't, let's talk about Operation Royal Flush.

Speaker 3:
[34:41] Before we go to that.

Speaker 1:
[34:42] Sure, yes.

Speaker 3:
[34:44] There was an anecdote in the piece that one of the two writers, while reporting a story in 2013, witnessed a Nick really going to work on a huge bucket of popcorn in the locker room. And apparently was, quote, hustled off to the side by an MSG communications staffer who promised that if this detail found its way into the piece, our relationship is over. My question.

Speaker 2:
[35:13] 2013.

Speaker 3:
[35:14] So, I've got the roster here.

Speaker 1:
[35:15] Ray Felton.

Speaker 5:
[35:16] That was exactly who I had.

Speaker 3:
[35:21] That was exactly who I had.

Speaker 2:
[35:24] Ray Felton is probably the culprit.

Speaker 3:
[35:27] It's almost got it. JR Smith is an option.

Speaker 2:
[35:31] No.

Speaker 3:
[35:31] But it's not. JR, as we know, like soup when he's in the locker room.

Speaker 1:
[35:36] I love this team.

Speaker 2:
[35:38] Bro, I know somebody personally, personally with Ray Felton. There was this cookie shop in Orlando.

Speaker 1:
[35:45] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[35:46] He had like somebody specifically go to the cookie shop. Almost like you were getting drugs for this dude, but it had to be clandestine like, yo, don't be telling nobody that it's for Ray Felton, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Cookies.

Speaker 3:
[36:02] That's incredible.

Speaker 2:
[36:03] When he has a cookie spot when he flies into Orlando. I swear to God, bro, this is like, for real, I know the person that had to get the cookies.

Speaker 3:
[36:15] No, I mean, I will say.

Speaker 2:
[36:16] So it's definitely Ray Felton.

Speaker 1:
[36:18] It's gotta be Ray.

Speaker 3:
[36:19] I would say passes the eye test. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[36:22] There is that part.

Speaker 3:
[36:27] I love that you know it was Felton.

Speaker 2:
[36:29] I didn't want to bring it up, but I've seen the guy recently. Yeah.

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Speaker 1:
[38:02] All right, let's talk about the fact that a NBA Hall of Famer in Chauncey Billups is currently up on charges related to fixed poker games that employed high-tech cheating techniques, including invisible ink, including miniature cameras, including like hacked dealing machines. And this scheme involved like several members of Lacosa Nostra. And-

Speaker 2:
[38:33] I have an antidote to share on that.

Speaker 1:
[38:36] And then also, and Damon Jones, one of the notable role players in recent NBA history, I guess you could say, is already caught up in this and will plead guilty apparently, according to reports like Anytime Now.

Speaker 3:
[38:48] He's pleading guilty on two separate things. One of them is Operation Royal Flush. Another one is selling insider information about LeBron James playing status. Yeah, he's got double the pleasure, double the fun.

Speaker 1:
[39:02] Yeah, so let's hear the anecdote.

Speaker 2:
[39:04] So this story comes out and is blowing up my phone, right? Obviously, like all my normie friends who know what I do for work, blowing me up. So I'm reading this shit and I'm reading the indictment, the players, and one of the names of the Mafia guys is Nick something. I forget his name. And I'm like, wait a second, where do I know this fucking name from? It's this kid named Fat Nick. That was his name. I've met this kid, partied with this guy a bunch of times in high school. So I went to this school called St. Francis Prep and Queens, predominantly white school. Some of your classmates live in places like Bayside or Whitestone.

Speaker 3:
[39:49] Some of them are these fancy New York places? No.

Speaker 2:
[39:52] Like suburban Queens. And then some of them live in Howard Beach and Ozone Park, which is famously where Sean Gotti and a bunch of other mobs actually lived in these neighborhoods. And I've actually been to house parties there. And while at house parties in Ozone Park and Howard Beach.

Speaker 1:
[40:11] Fat Nick Minucci.

Speaker 2:
[40:12] Yep, Fat Nick. So rewind, okay, almost a decade, yeah, definitely a decade plus earlier, two black kids got damn near lynched in Howard Beach.

Speaker 1:
[40:27] Is this the famous Yusef Hawkins case?

Speaker 2:
[40:29] No, this is after I graduated high school.

Speaker 1:
[40:33] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[40:33] And some goombas beat them up with baseball bats and all kinds of shit, claim they were stealing cars.

Speaker 1:
[40:41] Not an uncommon occurrence in that part of-

Speaker 2:
[40:44] In Howard Beach. Fat Nick was one of the guys that committed the fucking lynching, bro. No cap.

Speaker 1:
[40:52] So Fat Nick-

Speaker 2:
[40:53] And he's involved in this NBA shit. I've met this kid before.

Speaker 1:
[40:56] Fat Nick, a Gambino crime family associate, member of one of these cheating teams that defrauded the victims, he, according to the charging documents, at one point, there was a rival cheating team. Sure. Not associated with this group. They were using a, also using one of these modified shuffling decks. Fat Nick recruited gunmen to heist back the hacked dealing machine from this other crew.

Speaker 2:
[41:29] Oh my God.

Speaker 1:
[41:30] And he, as you mentioned, he was previously convicted of a high-profile hate crime in 2006. But he used a baseball bat to attack a black man in Howard Beach.

Speaker 2:
[41:38] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[41:39] So he's currently detained without bail. And these are the fellas that Chauncey Billups was involved in. Now, Chauncey, it seems, it's unclear how he came to the attention of the folks, but his primary role was to make it look legit.

Speaker 3:
[41:55] He was, they call him a face card.

Speaker 1:
[41:57] Right. It's like Chauncey Billups is here. This can't be fake.

Speaker 3:
[42:00] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[42:01] It's got to be real. And in fact, there's, in the charging documents, there's stories of one Mark who was so stoked to be there with NBA champion Chauncey Billups that they kept hitting cards on the river that made this guy lose. And if you're playing Hold'em, it's the last card that comes out, right? So it's like to do that three times in a row, which is what the charging documents say, is statistically, I can't happen. So the other mobsters were like, we gotta lose, you gotta try and live. But the guy was so happy, he was like, I'm here with Jonathan, this is great. And he was just like, okay, keep going. What did you think when this happened? I'm still in shock. And the fact that we don't even talk about it too, is crazy to me.

Speaker 2:
[42:46] I mean, the gambling part is something that I've become more aware of. Like, before and especially after, just like, how much, how many guys are really have gambling issues?

Speaker 1:
[43:07] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[43:08] Like, literally are degenerate gamblers who are, you know, ex-professional athletes. Like, and it made me just think like, because it's like, why would you do this shit?

Speaker 1:
[43:20] Damon Jones, from everything that is out there, reported and in these documents seems like he's got a reel. He's been thrown a lifeline. Like, the Lakers job was clearly, let's help Damon Jones out.

Speaker 3:
[43:30] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[43:31] LeBron probably was like, this is my guy.

Speaker 1:
[43:33] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[43:33] Get him situated, you know.

Speaker 3:
[43:35] I think that even-

Speaker 2:
[43:36] He was one of my vets when I was a young player.

Speaker 3:
[43:38] I think even when he was in Cleveland, because him and T. Lure boys, that was, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[43:43] And I'm just like, how do you get involved in something like this? It just makes me think, it's just like, these motherfuckers probably cheated you out of a bunch of money. You get in with them and it's just like, bro, like, yo, can I do something else besides cash to help you guys out?

Speaker 1:
[44:00] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[44:01] I have an idea. Yeah. You become a face card for these cheating ass games. That's what it feels like these guys just got taken advantage of. Which is no excuse. You're an adult, you're responsible for your behavior, especially if you're a player and you're roping in other players into this. That's crazy to get robbed by these dudes, which happened. God damn, bro. That is messed up. I've heard a lot of players have been hustled out of so much money. Not just the like, because this is different. There's the one level where players are just hyped to play against Phil Ivey.

Speaker 1:
[44:41] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[44:41] Right. And a bunch of other guys they never heard of, but are just way better than you at poker. You have no fucking chance of winning, and they just split the fucking earnings amongst themselves. But then this is just like tech involved. They're using robots and machines to cheat your ass.

Speaker 3:
[45:00] It's really like you don't have a shot. You don't have a chance.

Speaker 1:
[45:05] You have zero shot. Apparently, Billups was recruited into the scheme by Robert Black Rob Stroud.

Speaker 3:
[45:10] Black Rob Stroud, yeah. Gambino Associated.

Speaker 1:
[45:12] Gambino Associated. And Stroud's strategy was to always have these face cards, like Damon Jones was one when I guess they couldn't get Chauncey. These specific whales to make everybody feel at ease, like we're in this weird illegal poker game, high stakes poker game in someone's house. Chauncey's here. It's got to be legit.

Speaker 3:
[45:33] He's not going to put himself at risk. He's the coach of the Blazers.

Speaker 1:
[45:36] I guess what surprised me was like how little money it was. Stroud at one point, in the charging documents, they mentioned that Stroud wired billups through a third party $50,000, which is like...

Speaker 2:
[45:49] That's what he was paid to be the face card?

Speaker 1:
[45:51] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[45:52] But again, to me, that just means Chauncey might have just been into these guys.

Speaker 1:
[45:56] Right, might have been into these guys or something.

Speaker 2:
[45:58] So much money. And if you're like, because you got to think about it, if you're super rich, you know how they say like, oh, the house always wins, but even if you're rich, like you can't beat that. And again, especially if these guys just cheated you.

Speaker 1:
[46:15] I mean, here's what the cheating is incredible. So it used a modified Deckmate electronic card shuffler that read the deck. So in other words, it's scanning the deck as it's shuffling and knows the order of every single card. Plus x-ray poker tables so it could see through the top of the table. Hidden cameras in the chip tray.

Speaker 3:
[46:39] Right. I remember that. That detail is incredible.

Speaker 1:
[46:41] So when you have your chip tray by your cards, it's looking right at it. Marked cards readable through special contact lenses. This is the Invisible Link. Total losses alleged, $7.15 million over x amount of games. Again, backed by the Gambino crime family. And I think a lot of people like myself were kind of... It seemed like the LaCosta Nostra thing and kind of like they'd gone away.

Speaker 2:
[47:09] No, they're not in the heyday where they got their tentacles and the Teamsters and can give loans to people to buy casinos, entire casinos in Las Vegas. It's not that, but they're just... Schemes are pettier like this. It's not the same as opening the sands.

Speaker 1:
[47:30] Sure, sure.

Speaker 2:
[47:31] You know what I mean? It's not fucking casino.

Speaker 1:
[47:33] Now, what's...

Speaker 2:
[47:34] Like, you could compare this to... It's like kind of penny-anny when you think about it.

Speaker 1:
[47:40] What's interesting about this is four of the five major families were involved. So it was clearly like a negotiated, like, we're all gonna share a piece of this. Like, it was all of their guys involved in it. The Bananos was... Had several people. It was the Bananos, the Gambinos, which is your guy, Nick Manucci, fat Nick.

Speaker 3:
[48:00] My God! Fat Nick!

Speaker 1:
[48:03] The Genevies and the Lucases. It was kind of like a classic tribute model where it's like, what, hold on, you got a legal game going? I want in on the illegal game. So where it stands now is, Billups has been charged, he's pleaded not guilty. Jones will plead guilty, it seems like, soon.

Speaker 3:
[48:26] Billups and Terry Rogier is another guy who's wrapped up in this. Rogier has also pled not guilty.

Speaker 1:
[48:33] They're all out on bond. And Jones is apparently set a date for a change of plea hearing, which I think suggests to everybody that he's going to cooperate. You got to do what you got to do.

Speaker 2:
[48:49] You got to do what you got to do.

Speaker 1:
[48:50] I'm not going to.

Speaker 2:
[48:51] Another part of this that struck me when it happened in the very beginning was again the fall of the mob in the sense that Kash Patel, first of all, we're going to talk about him a little bit. OK, so I knew who J. Edgar Hoover was.

Speaker 1:
[49:14] He is.

Speaker 2:
[49:15] Comey was the FBI head.

Speaker 1:
[49:17] He was a comey. He's comey for a little while.

Speaker 2:
[49:20] He was the Kash Patel of his time.

Speaker 1:
[49:21] Yeah, Comey is the one that put Martha Stewart away.

Speaker 2:
[49:24] So I knew J. Edgar Hoover. Right. I knew Comey because of Russia, Russia, Russia.

Speaker 1:
[49:29] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[49:30] And I've never known an FBI head outside of that. Like, I've never, I don't know any of these people. Yeah. So it's like, I just recognize Kash Patel's like thirst for publicity.

Speaker 1:
[49:42] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[49:43] And when he's announcing this shit, he's like, what they emphasized was, we took down some professional athletes, this big gambling ring. And then when you realize, like, it's just kind of ridiculous. It sucks that the league and people involved in it. But I'm like, this ain't what they made it out to be.

Speaker 3:
[50:02] They were just pumped up to-

Speaker 1:
[50:03] I will say this. I'll say this because the same thing struck me as well. You got a dozen plus mobsters involved in it. A dozen plus.

Speaker 2:
[50:12] Like, and they just- they crossed over.

Speaker 3:
[50:16] No, just to harp on the NBA shit.

Speaker 1:
[50:18] Why is it the only black guys involved in it? Or the faces of this? That's all. I did notice that as well.

Speaker 2:
[50:26] The guys who actually orchestrated and organized and benefited the most from the crime, I'm like, bro, this is the five families.

Speaker 3:
[50:36] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[50:36] Okay? Like, fucking Rudy Giuliani, literally, we would have never heard of this guy if he didn't lock up a bunch of mobsters in the 80s.

Speaker 3:
[50:45] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[50:46] Like, this guy made a whole life career off of this shit. Kash Patel was like, Damon Jones! Like, what?

Speaker 3:
[50:55] They were so pumped up to deliver their, like, puns about the investigation, like, where it's like, you know, and on this court, odds are, if you cheat the game, you know, they're so pumped up to be like, you know, like, and trust me, the house always wins. Like, just that sort of stuff.

Speaker 2:
[51:23] You know, and a part of it, look, a part of it is like, the Damon Jones is just so pathetic.

Speaker 1:
[51:30] He's got a problem, like, doing Damon Jones.

Speaker 2:
[51:32] He's calling people the minute he hears LeBron isn't playing to, like, make plays.

Speaker 3:
[51:38] When it was, like, happening, he's, like, he's been doing this.

Speaker 1:
[51:42] He's got a, that's a gentleman who needs to call the number, you know, on the gambling ads. Like, for real, like, not a joke. Like, he's got an issue.

Speaker 2:
[51:52] And then the other part of it that matters to me, anyway, in terms of the quote unquote integrity of the game and all these guys that have gotten caught, it's a couple of things. It's like, one, you can't do it. Like, the idea that you're gonna cheat DraftKings or Fandual or any of these guys, it's not gonna happen. And if you try to go, try to do this via unofficial channels, you're gonna cheat Fat Nick and them?

Speaker 3:
[52:23] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[52:24] They will kill you.

Speaker 3:
[52:25] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[52:26] So it's like, it's kind of a nice thing that this stuff gets publicized. It's like, guys, you're never gonna be smart enough to win at this. Like, the games are designed for you to lose, my brother.

Speaker 3:
[52:40] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[52:41] Not for you to win.

Speaker 1:
[52:42] Well, that's where I, you know, with the John T. Porter of it all, which is how apparently the feds got wind of, there's a bunch of intersecting characters and that's how they got on this particular scheme. I don't know. I look at John T and I'm like, this is the dumbest way. I can't believe it took a year for them to catch this guy. Which makes me think, there's gotta be smart money in the cheating, right? There's gotta be people who know how to stay below whatever the algorithmic triggers on DraftKings or FanDuel are that have to know how to spread the bets are.

Speaker 2:
[53:16] But you'd have to be playing a really long game at that.

Speaker 1:
[53:19] Right.

Speaker 2:
[53:20] Most people, nine out of ten people just don't have that. I know exactly what you're saying. It's almost like the office space scheme where you're taking pennies at a time. You'd have to be doing it a really long way. I was explaining this to my lady. She was like, well, how do they catch people? I'm like, most people are betting on LeBron, Steph, KD, the Knicks, the Packers, not John T Porter.

Speaker 1:
[53:50] John T Porter to get injured in the second quarter.

Speaker 2:
[53:53] Why is there 500,000 of action on John T Porter?

Speaker 3:
[53:57] If I talk to anyone, stranger or not, and they told me that they had been putting money on John T Porter over runners, that would be the most memorable interaction I had all year.

Speaker 1:
[54:10] Absolutely.

Speaker 3:
[54:12] It would be like that Valsaperson top 10 strangest fuckers I've ever come across, right? Like, no, yes, I'm with you.

Speaker 2:
[54:19] And I have friends who will bet Korean softball.

Speaker 1:
[54:24] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[54:24] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[54:24] Because it's three in the morning here.

Speaker 1:
[54:26] Yeah, yeah, sure, sure.

Speaker 3:
[54:27] It's something to bet on.

Speaker 2:
[54:28] I have those friends. They do this shit.

Speaker 3:
[54:30] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[54:31] But it's $20.

Speaker 1:
[54:32] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[54:33] It's $50. It's not going to be hundreds of thousands, tens of thousands. And then that shit hits.

Speaker 1:
[54:41] I know.

Speaker 2:
[54:41] Excuse me, sir.

Speaker 1:
[54:42] That's... Come on now.

Speaker 3:
[54:43] Well, that...

Speaker 2:
[54:46] Excuse me, sir.

Speaker 1:
[54:48] Come on now.

Speaker 2:
[54:49] This is not leaving your fucking account.

Speaker 3:
[54:51] Sorry. There's the... You know, on February 9th, 2023, Game Against the Bucks, that's whenever Damon Jones first does the Hey, LeBron's not going to play. The second time that they're the second little thing in this piece that Ramona Shelburne wrote back in March, prosecutors claimed Jones also sold health information on another Lakers player ahead of a January 15th, 2024 game. I guess he obtained from the players trainer. He shared that with other bettors and himself placed a $100,000 bet on the Lakers to lose that night. And that's what you're talking about is like, you can't help yourself.

Speaker 1:
[55:33] And he borrowed that money, too. There's no way that he had.

Speaker 2:
[55:36] You don't got $100,000 just sitting. You're not doing this risky shit.

Speaker 3:
[55:40] Daymond Jones doesn't.

Speaker 1:
[55:41] Yeah, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2:
[55:42] No, you don't got $100,000 just sitting around.

Speaker 3:
[55:44] A shooting coach for LeBron James does not have $100,000 just hanging out.

Speaker 1:
[55:49] No, he does not have it.

Speaker 2:
[55:50] No shot. You know, he played in the early 2000s. It's not like he made a crazy.

Speaker 1:
[55:55] He probably made $12 million or so. Yeah, at best.

Speaker 2:
[55:58] Yeah. And if you're, you know, spending all that money on gambling, like that shit is poof gone. It's over.

Speaker 1:
[56:04] Well, let's go to our Lucid score. Lucid is a scoring system that we've created to figure out, like, you know, how long are we going to be talking about these particular stories? How funny are they or not funny? How sinister? How intriguing? How dangerous? The score goes from one to four. So from one to four, legs. Do these stories have legs? Are we going to continue to be talking about them?

Speaker 2:
[56:32] The Dolan situation?

Speaker 1:
[56:34] Yeah. Let's do the Dolan.

Speaker 2:
[56:36] Yeah, let's just do the Dolan. One to four on legs. I'm going to give it a two and a half.

Speaker 1:
[56:39] I think that's probably right. I think we will forget about this after a little while, because it's been out there. Unintentional comedy, is it funny in any kind of way?

Speaker 2:
[56:47] Everything involved in James Dolan is pretty funny, because he's such a loser. Like, just loser vibes all over him. Paying Jewel to go on tour with her?

Speaker 1:
[56:58] I mean, that's crazy.

Speaker 3:
[56:59] If you don't know, he has an Americana band called JD and the Straight Shot. This is a real thing that he has. He's like up there, he fancies himself like a jazz man, kind of, and is like wearing fedoras and shit. The song, it's really terrible, terrible music. He's released three albums. Honestly, wait, because I wrote this down. Can I pause this for a second? I wrote, so he's written three albums. I'm gonna read you four albums, and you gotta tell me which one is the fake one.

Speaker 1:
[57:31] Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2:
[57:32] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[57:32] Good Luck and Good Night.

Speaker 1:
[57:34] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[57:36] Ballyhoo, with an exclamation point at the end. The Vagabond's Notebook, The Great Divide.

Speaker 1:
[57:46] I'm gonna do Ballyhoo.

Speaker 3:
[57:48] You think Ballyhoo is the fake one?

Speaker 2:
[57:49] Good Luck and Good Night is the fake one.

Speaker 3:
[57:51] The Vagabond's Notebook is the fake one.

Speaker 2:
[57:54] The Vagabond's Notebook.

Speaker 1:
[57:56] Now, I mean, I feel like I talk about this every time. You know, he wrote a song about Harvey Weinstein, titled I Should Have Known. This is after Harvey Weinstein, you know, his fall from grace on multiple sexual assault charges. James Dolan wrote a song basically saying like how, let me read some of the lyrics.

Speaker 2:
[58:14] Harvey Weinstein was his boy.

Speaker 1:
[58:15] That was his boy. And so his whole thing was that, here's the first verse, we were friends. We were friends, talked for hours without end. About his latest story, how to deal with fame and glory, all the girls who adored him, catered to his every whim. Nothing he could lose, all he could do was choose. I should have known. I should have known. I should have thrown myself across his tracks, stopped him from these vile acts. I should have known. We believed and didn't see through the lies he told us all. They led him to his endless fall. I should have known. I should have known. Which is-

Speaker 2:
[58:51] You know what I will say about the power of Me Too? Even a brute like James Dolan had a libtard moment.

Speaker 1:
[58:59] Yeah, he had to be like, man, I gotta look in the mirror.

Speaker 2:
[59:01] Even Dolan caught the fucking Holy Ghost of Me Too.

Speaker 1:
[59:05] He had to look in the mirror and be like, who am I?

Speaker 2:
[59:07] And he's a right wing psychopath. So like, that's crazy.

Speaker 1:
[59:11] He did, he did.

Speaker 2:
[59:13] Even he was like, all right, I'm kind of libed out right now.

Speaker 5:
[59:16] I was kind of up, Harvey.

Speaker 1:
[59:18] So, okay, unintentional comedy, one to four.

Speaker 2:
[59:21] Ooh, definitely a four for that one.

Speaker 1:
[59:25] Sinisterness, is it a sinister story?

Speaker 2:
[59:27] It's pretty sinister, too.

Speaker 1:
[59:28] I agree, what do you think?

Speaker 2:
[59:30] Four.

Speaker 1:
[59:30] Okay, gives that a four. Intrigue, is it an intriguing?

Speaker 2:
[59:34] Not really. I mean, it's in line with so much shit that we deal with. It's like a 1.5 on intrigue for me.

Speaker 1:
[59:40] Give it a 1, we'll round down the 1. And danger, is it a dangerous story?

Speaker 2:
[59:44] Dangerous in terms of what?

Speaker 1:
[59:46] Dangerous in terms of-

Speaker 2:
[59:48] The people reporting on it could get hurt?

Speaker 1:
[59:50] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[59:50] No.

Speaker 1:
[59:51] Okay. So it's a 1 or a 0?

Speaker 2:
[59:54] It's a 0 because there's nothing anybody can do. You're done. These motherfuckers are in the White House. These motherfuckers are down with the most powerful people on planet Earth. You could put your little story on Wired and us and Pablo could have a field day. There's nothing we could do.

Speaker 1:
[60:12] I think ultimately, with regards to surveillance, in particular surveillance in public places and entertainment spaces, what's going to happen is there's going to be no real legislation or government action to reign in this stuff. It's just going to be like, don't be loud about it. Don't be crazy and chasing teenagers down in Colorado. Just be quiet and compile your dossiers and sell it to ICE, and that's all.

Speaker 2:
[60:41] A guy shoots a CEO in the middle of midtown for being a CEO, that's when we deploy this shit.

Speaker 1:
[60:51] That's when it goes never-ending.

Speaker 2:
[60:51] Because that can't stand it. talking shit on Reddit and Twitter? It's Twitter. Why are you deploying this for that?

Speaker 1:
[61:01] So that's an 11 out of 20. James is going to be upset if he's going to ban us for anything. It's going to be that we didn't give him a higher lucid score. Okay, let's do the Doom Scroll.

Speaker 3:
[61:10] All right, Wos, welcome to Doom Scroll. We just some stories that have been making us raise our eyebrows a little bit. We're like, hey, we're going to keep some tabs on that one.

Speaker 2:
[61:20] Let's keep them.

Speaker 3:
[61:21] First one, let's just jump right into Russini. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[61:24] Oh, Russini.

Speaker 3:
[61:25] Okay. So Russini and Vrabel. Diana Russini, formerly of The Athletic, NFL insider, got-

Speaker 1:
[61:36] Photographed.

Speaker 3:
[61:37] Aired out when she was at a resort with Vrabel, among others, maybe, who knows? But the only person that was in the pictures was Vrabel. They were seen hugging, they were seen poolside, blah, blah, blah. She resigns from The Athletic recently. A day after she resigns from The Athletic, she reportedly rescues an elderly man and his dog from a car crash in New Jersey. She was driving behind this 73-year-old dude who got into a crash and the jeep flipped on its side. According to the report, she stops, someone lifts her on top of the jeep and she reaches in and helps the old guy and the dog out.

Speaker 1:
[62:25] Not to besmirch Dinah's bravery and courageousness in this situation, my immediate thought when I saw this and the timing was like, man, she's got a good PR team.

Speaker 3:
[62:34] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[62:35] Hey.

Speaker 3:
[62:36] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[62:36] They'd be like, don't forget, she's saving lives.

Speaker 3:
[62:40] I thought, man, they got right to it.

Speaker 1:
[62:42] I have a take.

Speaker 3:
[62:43] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[62:45] Listen, I'm not the most plugged in NFL person, but this is what I think. If you get caught like this, I question your game day preparation, I question your attention to detail.

Speaker 3:
[62:56] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[62:57] They were just like at some regular nice resort in Arizona. There are places where rich people go, where nobody can see you and nobody can take a picture of you and people can't get into the sauna or whatever. Go to Cancun, go to Tulum. Why are you just at some golf course? Like, this is dumb.

Speaker 2:
[63:15] One, I think she's one of the best people at her job. This, I did it every, like, because this is, this I did it, she's not credible now. That she somehow, I don't know, like, slap her way to the top. Like, that's not how this game works, bro. Like, people have to like you and trust you. It's not that, oh, you gave them some freaking trim and now you're fucking in with you. Because that shit don't work like that. And I don't think that's like crazy to acknowledge that, yo, these people shouldn't have been committing adultery and all of that shit. And, journalistically, it's unethical. But I was talking to my guy Ethan Strauss about this, and I was like, bro, this just ain't the same as Maggie Haberman fucking Trump.

Speaker 1:
[64:01] No, there's no nukes involved. You know what I mean? Like, there's no- We do sports, guys. Nobody's getting killed out here.

Speaker 2:
[64:07] You should have integrity, but like, we do sports, y'all. I'm sorry. I can't fucking lose sleep, because this lady might have been intimate with Mike Vrabel on the low. And what I was going to say about the Vrabel thing, it's like, it's not unexpected that an NFL head coach is a dog.

Speaker 1:
[64:27] No. Yeah, but you got to think ahead. You got to think a bit. And I'll just say, this is my final thing on it. I think the ultimate PR move, if you're Vrabel Russini, you'd be like, this is my person, I'm in love. Like, what are you, everybody hating on this. Like Sanford. Yeah, everybody hating on this, I guess you hate love? Like, there was just something, energy, like I felt like I had met my soulmate, and we're gonna, that's it, we're together.

Speaker 3:
[64:55] You thought I should ignore destiny, in face?

Speaker 1:
[64:58] So I guess you've never been in love.

Speaker 3:
[64:59] My fault. No, you're right, I should ignore fate, you're right.

Speaker 2:
[65:04] I just, I can't, like, because I've seen it a bunch of places where they're like, so she has to resign and he gets to get, I'm like, guys, in the Coach Integrity Handbook, adultery is not one of the forbidden rules.

Speaker 1:
[65:20] So, I will now paraphrase Producer C's conspiracy theory. This is not mine, but I like this one. She was up for a new contract in two months, and the conspiracy theory is-

Speaker 2:
[65:34] The Times got her?

Speaker 1:
[65:36] The conspiracy is that the Times were like, we know about this, we don't want to pay her. Let's get out from under this.

Speaker 2:
[65:42] Sheesh, that would be pretty ruthless. My theory on this is that they just got unlucky.

Speaker 1:
[65:49] They got a lot, I think- They were around- You're like, is that Mike Vrabel?

Speaker 2:
[65:54] And Diana Rossini, right? They're like, I didn't you recognize this lady?

Speaker 1:
[65:59] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[65:59] You're a fucking dork, bro. You're just a sports dork, and you're way too into this shit, cause like, bro, I've seen Rossini on Levitard, a shit ton, all of that. I cannot say for sure, bro, and I know who this chick is, that if I saw her at a pool in Arizona, I would immediately recognize her. I don't recognize Vrabel, for sure, but I don't think it would have fucking clocked to me. And I'm somebody in this fucking industry, that it was her.

Speaker 1:
[66:27] But that's what I'm saying, man. On an Arizona resort, that's where you're gonna get recognized. Somebody zoomed in with that Android phone, 12x zoom, they got you, they don't even need a special lens, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3:
[66:43] If there is something going on there.

Speaker 1:
[66:47] I wish them well.

Speaker 3:
[66:48] I wish them, you know, best of luck. It's funny that the only real picture they, one of the only real pictures they got of them was from a football field away of them kind of hugging on a roof. Because if it's me and I'm like, like, give me some kissing. Like, there's gotta be some kissing up there, right? You think they're holding it back? You think they've got more info, they've got more in the chamber?

Speaker 1:
[67:12] I think they're ready to escalate.

Speaker 3:
[67:13] They've got another ball in the chamber and that's the kissing picks?

Speaker 2:
[67:15] A buddy of mine presented something that seems a little bit more plausible to me is that they're not currently fucking, but they used to.

Speaker 1:
[67:25] Oh, I like that, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[67:25] And that's why there's a familiarity there. A physical, yeah, a comfort with that.

Speaker 3:
[67:31] Interesting.

Speaker 2:
[67:32] And it's like, we don't do this shit no more, I let you cut a couple times a few years ago.

Speaker 1:
[67:39] What's next?

Speaker 3:
[67:42] Okay, so The Onion is officially buying InfoWars now. This is happening. They reached an agreement to take over. It's Alex Jones InfoWars company. Alex Jones, terrible person. Where'd it even begin? The Sandy Hook family should get to wake up every morning and kick him in the nuts. He's a terrible person. It's subject to court approval, but this takeover of InfoWars is backed by the Sandy Hook families, which is cool. The new version of InfoWars is supposed to operate as a digital platform and a comedy network that Tim Heidecker from... Tim and Eric. Tim and Eric from On Cinema at the Cinema, from Office Hours, any number of great things. He's going to be the creative director of this, and he's going to parody Jones himself. If you have never seen Tim Heidecker's Alex Jones, please go seek it out. It's an unbelievable impression. But yeah, Jones had a shirtless meltdown at the news, if we can put this up at some point.

Speaker 1:
[68:48] He still owes the family.

Speaker 3:
[68:49] Here we go.

Speaker 1:
[68:49] Oh yeah, let's watch this.

Speaker 3:
[68:51] You can't take something over and then act like you're somebody, even if you say it's a parody.

Speaker 5:
[68:54] You can do a parody of somebody, but none of you took something from them.

Speaker 3:
[68:58] You've already checked with lawyers. So they're in deep shit. I'm already suing the Democrat Party law firms. Look, just because you're wearing my shirt, don't mean you're me. So let's be 100% clear about that. So you guys just keep laughing. It's like a year and a half ago, or it was November 2024.

Speaker 1:
[69:16] Was that about a year and a half? Is that about a year and a half? Was that 12 months? 15 months? So wait, did he barge into the now-Onion-owned InfoWars set?

Speaker 3:
[69:30] I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[69:31] He started haranguing the anchor? What is happening?

Speaker 3:
[69:34] No, I think that's one of his InfoWars minions.

Speaker 2:
[69:38] What, his offshoots?

Speaker 3:
[69:39] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[69:40] I see. OK. But he still owes the families, I think, like a billion dollars.

Speaker 3:
[69:47] I mean, it's more than a billion.

Speaker 1:
[69:48] OK, get on the payment plan. Yeah. What's next?

Speaker 3:
[69:52] Kash Patel referenced earlier. He's suing The Atlantic. The Atlantic last week published a piece that was basically he was titled the FBI director as MIA, deeply reported it painted a picture of just a paranoid drunk who's in over his head basically.

Speaker 2:
[70:11] And probably doing more than alcohol.

Speaker 3:
[70:13] Probably doing more than alcohol.

Speaker 1:
[70:14] He's got the entire evidence room of the FBI at his disposal.

Speaker 3:
[70:18] I think he's.

Speaker 1:
[70:19] Yeah, I think I need them to weigh those packages at the end of this term.

Speaker 3:
[70:23] I think I think he's been snow skiing several times in that in that office there. Yeah, he apparently couldn't log in to his own computer at one point. And when that happened, he assumed he had gotten fired.

Speaker 1:
[70:37] That's an amazing story.

Speaker 2:
[70:40] That he called people to say, guys, it's been a good one.

Speaker 3:
[70:45] I got the axe.

Speaker 2:
[70:46] I'm out.

Speaker 5:
[70:47] I'm out, guys.

Speaker 1:
[70:49] Put out the press release.

Speaker 3:
[70:50] I'm out. To be thinking that a job that, like, a job that is as important as FBI director, you're going to find out you got fired just because you can't log in.

Speaker 1:
[71:01] I think my favorite detail in the story was that there were multiple occasions where they had to get an FBI breaching team. You know, the guy with like the door ram. Because he was so drunk.

Speaker 2:
[71:13] So cooked.

Speaker 1:
[71:13] That he was not waking up.

Speaker 3:
[71:15] They had to request special, like, equipment that's usually used by SWAT. Because dude has passed out in the head and locked in a room. He also, another little fun fact of that is he expressed some frustration with how some of the FBI merch looks. Because he wants it to be a little more intimidating.

Speaker 1:
[71:41] He wants it to look like UFC stuff. I think my favorite, another great part of this is, so he is suing The Atlantic for $250 million, which I think is, my galaxy brain theory is that he wants a way out now.

Speaker 3:
[71:58] Oh yeah.

Speaker 1:
[71:59] Like he's looking for a way out and he's hoping that this will be the way, like he just like released me from the Fed job, I hate it. That said, this is his second defamation suit that he has filed for someone claiming that he's a drunk. So he's got two of these out there now. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[72:18] I thought what it is to a pattern, I guess it's got to be free to be a pattern.

Speaker 2:
[72:22] The whole administration is drunks, they got Pete Keg's breath.

Speaker 3:
[72:27] Yes, Keg's breath.

Speaker 2:
[72:28] Which is like he's just so obviously like an annoying, aggressive drunk, like he's that person at the bar who's like, starting shit with people. Kash is just dancing and Keg stands.

Speaker 3:
[72:47] I mean, I think he's making some of the women feel uncomfortable and it's like, I think there's some of that stuff. I think he's-

Speaker 2:
[72:53] Too aggro.

Speaker 3:
[72:53] Yeah. My wife's a fucking bitch.

Speaker 2:
[72:57] He's that guy.

Speaker 3:
[72:58] Yeah. There's an 11th missing scientist.

Speaker 1:
[73:03] Okay, let's hear about it. So this has been a story, I don't even follow the story.

Speaker 2:
[73:06] Are these scientists related to UFOs?

Speaker 1:
[73:09] One of them is.

Speaker 3:
[73:11] One of the guys worked at this, at Wright-Patterson, this...

Speaker 2:
[73:15] Do you guys have UFO thoughts?

Speaker 1:
[73:17] Yeah, I'll tell you right now. I hope that... Well, first of all, I'll say this. I believe that there are things in the sky that nobody knows what they are. The government has come out and said as much, like, we don't know what that is. We're just not sure what it is. That said, if there are aliens, it's show and prove time now. Like, the cameras are too good now. You know, we talked about the 12X zoom on the Android phones. I want good footage of an alien stepping out of the UFO. I want good footage of the UFO zipping, like, over the airport. Like, I want... I don't want any of this blurry shit anymore. Like, I want, like, a footprint. I want to see an alien, you know, burning its name into the side of a cow. Like, for real, I don't... It's show-improved time at this point, but I don't know if they're real.

Speaker 2:
[74:09] Can I say something? I remember when Barry got the drone warfare going. President Barack Obama.

Speaker 1:
[74:19] Yes. A pioneer in the field.

Speaker 2:
[74:21] I had a pioneer in the field. At an epiphany, literally, I was like, oh, that's what UFOs are. They were just testing the latest kill machines.

Speaker 3:
[74:33] The latest drones?

Speaker 2:
[74:34] Yeah, and they didn't want to tell us. It was just like, yeah, we're not going to acknowledge that we've created new ways to kill people.

Speaker 1:
[74:41] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[74:41] Right.

Speaker 2:
[74:41] With these fucking robot airplanes.

Speaker 3:
[74:44] Right.

Speaker 2:
[74:44] Because people are like, they just whizz on by and we don't have that technology.

Speaker 1:
[74:48] Now, there are a few.

Speaker 2:
[74:50] That's what I think this new shit is just like the next gen of the killing machine.

Speaker 1:
[74:56] There are a few famous testimonials from, there's a famous Navy testimonial called the Tic-Tac, where the guy was claiming that he was banking over the ocean. He saw this thing down there and it was making the ocean boil, and then it just went like whoop and just went straight up in the air very fast. Now, there is no footage of that, but I find the testimony compelling. That said, to your point about drones, and to me the thing with UFOs is, show me footage of it doing something that there's no way a drone or an aircraft can do, where it's like moving so fast.

Speaker 2:
[75:33] People are convinced of the New Jersey ones that that was it. Drones can't move that quick and zigzag like that.

Speaker 1:
[75:40] They can, though. And the other thing is the New Jersey ones, like I'm sorry to the people in New Jersey, if it had lights on it, that's a drone that someone is flying. You know, because those are FAA lights and they have to have those. So that's an aircraft that somebody knows about. That's all. With regards to this 11th missing scientist, I'll just say that this case is from 2022. And while there are some interesting things with it, including the person saying that I'm in good health and I feel very happy and I feel like my life is in danger and then finding them dead, I feel like I need a new case, not cases where we're looking back. Like, and that's...

Speaker 2:
[76:24] Oh, so they're finding...

Speaker 1:
[76:26] They're finding stuff in the past.

Speaker 2:
[76:28] Making them into a pattern.

Speaker 3:
[76:30] Part of it is, she co-founded the Institute for Exotic Science and her work is described as focused on experimental propulsion techniques.

Speaker 1:
[76:42] But why weren't we... See, this is my thing.

Speaker 3:
[76:44] Institute for Exotic Science.

Speaker 1:
[76:46] Why weren't people... Why wasn't law enforcement before? Like, uh-oh, like, you know what I mean? Like, that's... And that's so, I just feel like this is... If I wanted to get really conspiratorial, this is like a full... This is a Psi-Op. Psi-Op. To build support for whatever they're gonna be like, oh, China killing our scientists.

Speaker 2:
[77:08] Right.

Speaker 1:
[77:08] We gotta go to war.

Speaker 2:
[77:09] Wait, is that where people are taking it?

Speaker 1:
[77:12] No, not yet.

Speaker 3:
[77:13] Well, some people think are basically defecting to China, like going...

Speaker 1:
[77:17] I do think one of the guys is defecting to China. I think that is a theory that I do have.

Speaker 2:
[77:20] So they're communist sympathizers.

Speaker 1:
[77:23] I do believe that one of them may have done that.

Speaker 2:
[77:25] I like that theory. I love that theory, actually.

Speaker 1:
[77:28] We will continue to keep up on this.

Speaker 2:
[77:30] That's a hopeful theory.

Speaker 3:
[77:32] The last thing, we gotta talk about this RFK raccoon dick story really quick.

Speaker 1:
[77:42] I saw the penis of the raccoon and the raccoon had an incredible penis.

Speaker 2:
[77:49] I've never tried an RFK. I can't bring myself to do that.

Speaker 1:
[77:53] There's a lot of physical power in vitamins in the penis of a raccoon. When you take the penis of a raccoon, you can squeeze out the nutrients in the vitamins.

Speaker 3:
[78:03] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[78:04] Are they healing powers in a raccoon? Is that what we're doing here?

Speaker 3:
[78:10] It's from a quote, RFK Jr., The Fall and Rise.

Speaker 1:
[78:14] The quote in the book reads, I was standing in front of my car on I-684, cutting the penis out of a roadkill raccoon, thinking about how weird some of my family members have turned out to be.

Speaker 3:
[78:29] He also notes, do you have that?

Speaker 1:
[78:33] No, no, yeah. As I was cutting the penis off of the raccoon, my kids waited patiently in the car.

Speaker 3:
[78:40] So not only is he cutting the dick off a raccoon.

Speaker 2:
[78:45] He ran over the raccoon and then went to cut his dick off?

Speaker 1:
[78:47] He just like, with his butterfly knife, he was like, sheesh.

Speaker 3:
[78:50] Well, this guy's clearly like walking around with, he's got some machetes in the trunk or something. Like there's some, this is a true lunatic. But yeah, he's not just cutting the dick off the raccoon, his kids are in the car watching him do it.

Speaker 1:
[79:03] Now, this is not, I will say that this is so far-

Speaker 3:
[79:07] Father of the Year?

Speaker 1:
[79:08] I will say that this is so far unverified. TMZ has reached out to our Secretary of Health to find out if this is legit, but with no confirmation as of yet that he did-

Speaker 2:
[79:21] The bear and century-

Speaker 1:
[79:22] The bear, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that is legit.

Speaker 3:
[79:24] Yes, it, he says that he cut off, in this story, the reason that he swiftly cut off the dick was that he wanted to study it later.

Speaker 1:
[79:42] Yeah, of course. I wanted to take it home and get it under some good light. The light of the-

Speaker 2:
[79:46] Are raccoons known to have special dicks?

Speaker 1:
[79:50] Let's ask-

Speaker 3:
[79:50] I couldn't tell you a thing about raccoon dick.

Speaker 1:
[79:53] Secretary Kennedy, if you could reach out to us and let us know about-

Speaker 3:
[79:57] We'll just talk about raccoon dicks.

Speaker 1:
[79:59] That's it. Waz, thank you so much for joining us today.

Speaker 2:
[80:02] Proud to be on Here with You guys.

Speaker 3:
[80:04] Appreciate you all.

Speaker 7:
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