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Speaker 4:
[01:28] Welcome to The Deep Dive, where the difference between a conspiracy and the truth is six months. It's me, Jac. I'm sitting here with Alexis. What are you wearing? You look like you're wearing suspenders, but they're made of ruffles.
Speaker 5:
[01:39] Matt came in here, he's like, oh, you're Amish today. I'm like, a lot of opinions about this shirt. It's just like a comfy work shirt. Yeah, it's really comfy. That's why I was like, oh, it's a work shirt with ruffles, but it's comfy.
Speaker 4:
[01:52] Oh, it does look like something a pilgrim would wear, which I am assuming their clothes were not comfy.
Speaker 5:
[01:57] Yeah, no, but you know, I like to do my little ruffles, collars.
Speaker 4:
[02:01] Yes, it is very you. I love that. Being true to you and being true to me. I'm in pajamas.
Speaker 5:
[02:07] Yep.
Speaker 4:
[02:08] It's what we do. Hope everybody's having a good Thursday, another Thursday, another week, you know, ending off the week with a bang because we didn't get enough last week. You know, it's actually going to be our third episode about focusing primarily on the Haley Beck, Angela Burlaka, teacher scandal because there's just so much to talk about. It is just so mind-blowing and my brain can't comprehend it because it's so messed up.
Speaker 5:
[02:36] It's really messed up and the internet is like a weird, dangerous place because I was just doing a search for some new stuff to add last minute. It's like videos and photos of the victim are circulating now. People are just like casually identifying him, throwing pictures of him up. It really is bothering me, especially considering that, like, he said he didn't even want to participate in this investigation. So I think we're forgetting who the, some people are forgetting who the victim actually is here and it's him. So don't do that. Don't share those posts if you see them.
Speaker 4:
[03:07] Yeah, please.
Speaker 5:
[03:08] It's not nice.
Speaker 4:
[03:09] No, it's messed up. Before we get into all of the nitty gritty, we have to talk about some of the latest headlines. And before we do that, I have to remind you, if you want more First Degree content, join us under ground in The Underground. It's where all of our premium content lives. It's where we get to do whatever the hell we want. And it's where you get one extra premium episode every single week, and it's a way to support our podcast. So, Lex, how are they doing that?
Speaker 5:
[03:35] Ooh, they're going to do it on Apple subscriptions by doing a little double tap on the side button to subscribe. Or they're doing it on Patreon, which you can link to Spotify if you want.
Speaker 4:
[03:45] Get it anywhere that suits you.
Speaker 5:
[03:48] And on Apple, you can try it for free for a week, so.
Speaker 4:
[03:51] Yeah, you can try it for a week. We have so many backlogged episodes, you're not even going to be able to finish anything. You could only listen to The First Degree for the rest of your life, which seems like a choice.
Speaker 5:
[04:02] Like a good choice.
Speaker 4:
[04:03] Like a good choice. Okay. Let's dive in to some of the latest headlines that have happened in the last week. Where do you want to start, Lex?
Speaker 5:
[04:12] Well, I think we should start with something much awaited that we've talked about a lot, but there hasn't been much to report on in the last couple of months, because everything seemed to be at a standstill, but what I'm hinting at is David, singer David, has been arrested on suspicion of murder of Celeste Rivas-Hernandez, finally.
Speaker 4:
[04:34] It's been a long time coming. Now, why do you think that it took this long?
Speaker 5:
[04:39] I don't know, and we're going to get into that still doesn't feel very solid to me, so I'll get into just what happened, and I'll talk about the possible issues here. So he was arrested by the LAPD's Robbery Homicide Division in the Hollywood Hills. He's being held without bail, and a neighbor who would...
Speaker 4:
[04:56] Sorry, do you know what I just saw? He was arrested in Sandra Bullock's old home.
Speaker 5:
[05:02] I know, it's on this list.
Speaker 4:
[05:03] Oh, I was like that. I saw it on TMZ. I was like, that is so random.
Speaker 5:
[05:07] Yeah, she sold it in 2018. It's right behind Chateau Marmont. Jimmy Kimmel is the neighbor, and apparently Jimmy Kimmel ended up in the middle of the chaos. He had driven up the street trying to get to his house, and there was like a police blockade, and they had to let him through at around 8 p.m. And even though the road had been blocked off, obviously, they were like, Jimmy, oh yeah, we'll open the road for you, Jimmy. I can watch Jimmy Kimmel, I guess. But so he was like in the middle of the arrest as it was happening, and it was like a huge thing with SWAT teams. So many cops, one neighbor said that they were shouting, surrender. Footage shows officers heavily armed, carrying guns, some wearing tactical helmets, protective gear. So, yeah, and no one knew that David was here. This house, he was renting for $17,500 a month.
Speaker 4:
[05:59] Oh my God.
Speaker 5:
[06:00] And he had been completely under the radar. No one had seen him for months. And it's interesting that he decided to be in LA, given the investigation. Not only LA, he'd be hiding somewhere else.
Speaker 4:
[06:10] He's right behind one of the most popular, celeb-filled hotels that there is in LA.
Speaker 5:
[06:15] Yeah, but you just think he'd be in Texas or something, trying to avoid California, but whatever. But here's where it gets interesting in what the defense says. So, his lawyer said this. There has been no indictment returned by any grand jury in the case, no criminal complaint filed. David has only been detained under suspicion. So apparently, the case is going to be brought to the DA on Monday, which by the time you're listening to this, it'll be a few days ago, because we're recording this early. So unclear, but like it's kind of weird because the DA, they're the ones in charge of the grand jury proceedings, and they would have been the ones you think to signal like, okay, we can get a grand jury to indict him, you can arrest him. We have charges. But this is seemingly going backwards. It's weird that they don't have an indictment yet. He's only arrested under suspicion. So his lawyer has a good point.
Speaker 4:
[07:10] He should have been arrested under suspicion last year.
Speaker 5:
[07:13] I know. It's really crazy.
Speaker 4:
[07:15] If we're going to go just under suspicion.
Speaker 5:
[07:18] And apparently, up until February, so David is signed with Interscope Records, which is owned by parent company Sony. And up until recently, he was still on Interscope's website, as recently as February. But internet users have now realized that David has been just completely scrubbed from the label site. So it's assumed that he's been dropped from his label. The album he was going to release was delayed once the controversy involving the murder of this child began. So his career is probably over. We'll see.
Speaker 4:
[07:53] Well, you never know. Chris Brown's still out there with Usher, doing a multi-headline tour, so.
Speaker 5:
[07:59] Yes, that's true. Violence is accepted, but maybe this will be where people draw the line, I hope. The murder of a child.
Speaker 4:
[08:08] You would hope, but look who's in charge.
Speaker 5:
[08:10] The bar is low. The bar is on the ground. Anyways, so we have some interesting Epstein tidbits for you as well. So I just wanted to give you a little update. We didn't talk about Epstein last week. And The Independent has reported that Gislaine Maxwell's lawyer thinks Trump will pardon her for Epstein-related crimes. He says there's a good chance. And that lawyer, David Oscar Marcus, described his client as a scapegoat. He says, Maxwell obviously wants clemency. There's no secret about that. I don't think now is the best time to do it with everything going on. And Trump previously said that he has not given much thought to the possibility of giving her clemency, but he's not ruled it out. And late last year, he told reporters he would speak to the DOJ about it. Now, two things can be true. It can be true that she's a scapegoat, but she also deserves to be in jail.
Speaker 4:
[09:01] But so do other people. No, she deserves to be in jail along with every single man that has been involved in any of that, not just her.
Speaker 5:
[09:11] Yeah, she is a scapegoat, for sure, too. But that doesn't mean she gets out for all the horrors she was involved in personally. And now I want to tell you another little Epstein tidbit. It's not from the files, but it was a really interesting article that the headline pulled me in. And I had to find a lot of ways to bypass the paywall that was behind. I really needed to know. Someone on Reddit posted the full article who was a member, subscribes to this. But you'll see why I'm interested. The title of this article is Epstein in Neverland. I was supposed to broker a book deal with Michael Jackson. Instead, I watched Jeffrey Epstein taunt tigers and parade around girls.
Speaker 4:
[09:51] Whoa, what a title.
Speaker 5:
[09:54] I know. So it was written by a guy named David Vigliano. And in the article, I'm paraphrasing a lot. I wasn't going to just read an article to all of you. But he said in 2002 he'd been working as a lit agent for 16 years, and he got a call from a top publicist asking if he was interested in representing Michael Jackson's autobiography. And he's like, obviously. Yeah. And he said he wanted to meet Michael before agreeing to represent him, and that meant going to Neverland, Michael's estate outside Santa Barbara. Apparently, like he was told by the handlers, like other people will be at this dinner, you're going to have this lunch or whatever. He said he was led to a table that had elaborate floral arrangements on it, and an array of dishes, and apparently was him, Epstein, just like a bunch of beautiful women. Michael was supposed to join them. He said he offered Epstein his hands, said, nice to meet you. Epstein held my grip for an excruciatingly long time, staring into my eyes. He proceeded to look me up and down and said, what are you doing here? I thought it was just me, the girls, and Michael. He said, I'm here to meet Michael about a book. And Epstein laughed, shook his head and said, Michael will never write a book. So Epstein apparently got up and whispered to one of Michael's employees. And then an animated intense discussion followed. And as he turned around to walk back to the table, you could see that Epstein's mood had curdled. I love that use of the word curdled.
Speaker 4:
[11:26] Yeah, curdled is a good adjective.
Speaker 5:
[11:28] And Epstein turned around and said, he's not coming of Michael Jackson. Michael is not joining us. He had an emergency in LA. And clearly Epstein had brought these girls there to show off his friendship to Michael. But apparently, and then he started acting all petulant and embarrassed. But later this guy David said, I would learn later from a friend that Michael hated Jeffrey Epstein, which actually I think is a green flag. And the emergency that called Michael to LA was made up so we wouldn't have to see Epstein at all. But what happened next is what I really don't like.
Speaker 4:
[12:05] Oh no.
Speaker 5:
[12:06] Animal cruelty. So in lieu of Michael not being able to join them, the staff was like, why don't I give you a tour of Michael's zoo and why don't I give you a tour of Michael's amusement park?
Speaker 4:
[12:17] This guy's like, get me the fuck out of here.
Speaker 5:
[12:20] Well, Epstein went with them. Epstein and the girls went on the tour of the zoo and the amusement park as well.
Speaker 4:
[12:25] They all went.
Speaker 5:
[12:27] And he said they passed giraffes, orangutans and elephants before arriving at the centerpiece of the zoo. They were twin tigers named Thriller and Sabu. Epstein edged into my personal space in front of the cage. And Epstein says, this is so obnoxious. These are very ordinary tigers. If I had a tiger, I would have a South China tiger. And then apparently one of the girls was like, how do you know so much about tigers? And Epstein ignored her. And then he says, look, you can tell these tigers are not happy. They are not well socialized. And David, the guy writing this said, they look pretty content to me. And Epstein said, not at all. Watch this. And then he started banging on the cage, upsetting and striking nerves with a tiger thriller who is giving us a deeply perturbed look. Epstein then banged harder on the cage, prompting a loud guttural growl.
Speaker 4:
[13:17] Oh my God.
Speaker 5:
[13:17] Epstein says, they are profoundly dumb animals. He sounds so pretentious and stuck up. You're going to say this is a profoundly dumb animal, this tiger.
Speaker 4:
[13:29] Yeah, I don't think so.
Speaker 5:
[13:30] Then Thriller's roar alerted the caretaker who hurried to the cage. He said, please sir, don't upset the tigers. Then Jeffrey Epstein said, what are they going to do? Break through the steel? Epstein said before resuming his banging on the cage anyway.
Speaker 4:
[13:43] Oh my God.
Speaker 5:
[13:45] Aside from being just a pedophile and a disgusting, probably facilitator of many deaths, he's a piece of shit.
Speaker 4:
[13:53] He's rude.
Speaker 5:
[13:54] He antagonizes tigers, which sorry, Michael Jackson fans, they shouldn't even be there.
Speaker 4:
[14:00] No.
Speaker 5:
[14:01] Then Calling Tiger is stupid saying these are ordinary. These are very ordinary tigers. What the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 4:
[14:08] Well, I'm confused. Were they friends? Michael Jackson and Epstein?
Speaker 5:
[14:12] I don't think so. It sounds like a situation where he got put in a position to have to entertain him. Maybe it was a favor, but because Michael Jackson didn't like him, he bailed. But was like, I'll let him see my zoo, I guess. So they must have been acquaintances.
Speaker 4:
[14:29] I'm interested. I guess I'll look after this episode. I'm sure he's in the files, a bunch of people talking about him. But I didn't see anything that I remember of him really being in the files.
Speaker 5:
[14:40] So this article ran with The Free Press, which is a paywalled news source. The main picture is a picture of Michael Jackson and Epstein together. I assume it is real because this guy is a legit writer. I assume it's not an AI photo and it looks like a real photo. So I think socially, they were acquainted.
Speaker 4:
[14:59] Yeah, I think everybody else was.
Speaker 5:
[15:01] Everybody else with Epstein, right?
Speaker 4:
[15:03] I saw him at a party once.
Speaker 5:
[15:05] But I could see why, listen, people don't like Michael Jackson. Some people believe he's a pedophile. Some people don't. I don't know. I don't know. I just can't imagine that Michael Jackson would want to be around someone like Epstein. At the very least, Michael Jackson was soft spoken. Maybe he was a criminal. I don't know. But Epstein is such a stuck up asshole.
Speaker 4:
[15:29] He's not smart. Maybe he was smart. He thinks he's smart.
Speaker 5:
[15:34] He acts smart. Look at this ordinary tiger.
Speaker 4:
[15:38] That's just like stuck up like insecure alpha energy though.
Speaker 5:
[15:43] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[15:43] You know, he's like, he's like jealous of the tiger's strength. Yes. So he's like, ugh, look at this loser.
Speaker 5:
[15:52] 100%. God. So that I thought was just interesting, like.
Speaker 4:
[15:57] Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[15:59] Interesting. And you know, Michael Jackson didn't end up, Jeffrey was, Jeffrey was right. He didn't do a book. He wanted to do a photobook. Of what?
Speaker 4:
[16:07] Just like his life?
Speaker 5:
[16:08] Yeah. And then.
Speaker 4:
[16:10] I thought that would be so easy. He wouldn't even have to do anything.
Speaker 5:
[16:12] I know. So this agent was going to do it, but I guess a lot of back and forth. And then like, Jackson's life started to get weird and take a turn. And it was just like, wasn't a priority. But I thought it was interesting. It's an interesting read if you have a free press account. Otherwise, Google it on Reddit.
Speaker 4:
[16:28] I don't even know what that is. Yes.
Speaker 5:
[16:31] But anyways, those are our top headlines. More to come, I'm sure, once we see what happens with David this week. So stand by for more on that. But for now, we are still digging in to the Haley Beck, Angela Burlaka saga.
Speaker 4:
[16:49] My God, my God. So I see the first thing that you have up here is very interesting to me because we have been talking about the psychology of the type of person that a Haley Beck would be, what was her childhood like, how was she in high school. And our assessment of it is she was like a loser and that she's now trying to relive her high school experience and date the popular hot football player. And like this is her redemption arc in her mind. But people that have gone to high school with her or knew her when she was younger are saying that that was the opposite, that she was pretty popular in high school. And then getting their assessment of it, like maybe that does make more sense than her being a loser in high school.
Speaker 5:
[17:35] Yeah, and photos of her as like prom royalty are circulating. She's a really cute girl. Like, you know, she looks like a popular girl. I don't know what they look like these days, but I could see it, right? Like she looked beautiful. She was, I mean, to be prom queen, people have to like you or prom royalty. I don't know if it was a queen, but she was wearing the sash and everything. And so was her date. And people under those posts are talking like she was in the popular crowd, right? She just was. And that adds a new layer to the psychology of this, because this discourse, people theorizing about what could be driving this behavior is coming from, we're getting a peek behind the curtain into how she texts, how she talks. And it's all so cringe and desperate that it reads like you were a nerd in high school and you're acting like a nerd in high school now, even though you're in the power position. So it's such like a plot twist that she was cool.
Speaker 4:
[18:35] Well, it kind of goes into the whole theory of like you peaking in high school, right? And a lot of times, like, you know, you have like super seniors that like want to keep showing up at the school and the high or the football games, like years after they graduate, because they want to relive the best moments of their life. So how I'm sort of envisioning it now is sort of like that, where it's like she's stuck in high school, maybe she has some sort of an arrested development thing going on. She texts like she's 18, she's using all of the slang, all of like the abbreviations. I can't even tell with some of these texts, like if her name wasn't, or if her name was blacked out like the victim, like I wouldn't be able to tell who's who. It doesn't sound like an adult talking to a kid. So that's really interesting to me, and you can kind of see it, like there's that video of the victim doing an interview, and she's like standing behind him, like on the football field with like her hand on her hip. And I'm like, oh, I'm like, this is, you think you're like the popular bitch at high school. Like you're kind of looking around like I'm the shit, you know? So I kind of get this now. Right.
Speaker 5:
[19:40] And in those videos that were tied to those TikTok trends, like the one that was like, Suspect has best friends are her students. And she's like, they're nice to me. And then the other one that was like, Suspect has a cult following of little boys that follow around. And it's like, I don't think that's true. I think that's what she tells people.
Speaker 4:
[19:59] I 100% agree. And even if she does, it's like, it's conditional, right? Like, these people aren't, these boys aren't hanging out with you. Or, you know, even if she's nice to the girls, it's like, they're not hanging out with you because they like you as a friend. Like, they're hanging out with you because you're their teacher. And it's a conditional experience during your day that you have to be a part of.
Speaker 5:
[20:28] And I wonder if the boundary blurring here is because she's a young teacher. I remember in my high school, and we were texting about this, all my teachers were, like, way older. And I would see one in the mall and be so uncomfortable. It was like, there was such a divide between the way you talk to teachers, the way you would dress them. And I just think, like, she's in all these pictures with her students, she's leaning on their desks, she's, like, involved in the gossip around the school. And it's like, you're too ingratiated. Forget, forget the grooming. Like, we know she's doing that. We know she's a predator to some degree. But you're way too ingratiated with your students. Like, there needs to be an invisible wall up. That prevents those boundaries from getting even close to being crossed. It's like, it was so fat. Like, literally, when I would see a teacher in the mall in public, I'd be like, hi, Mrs. Draggess. And get so stiff and be like, I can't say a bad word even though I'm not at school. It's just so different. Like, the way, and just the fact that all these kids have videos in school, she's doing live streams from behind her desk while she's teaching. It's really strange.
Speaker 4:
[21:43] And then there's this video that came out of her at a graduation party. Yeah, a graduation party. Like, I couldn't tell. Yeah, so she's at a graduation party, allegedly being the beer pong partner of, I think, the victim. And it was like this kid that wasn't the victim that was filming the video. He's like, Oh, my God, Miss Beck. Like, blah, blah, blah. Just called Miss Beck and told her to roll through, and she's here, and she's playing. And he is just like, What the fuck? Like, I'm sorry. Okay, please, if anybody out there is listening and they have high school kids, I would love to know, is this normal? Is this how high school is? If you have younger teachers, is it normal for them to be interacting with their students in this level? Because like Lex, when I was in high school, my oral teachers were really old, too. They probably seemed even older than they were, because, you know, like, when you're in high school, if somebody's 30, they feel like they're like 70.
Speaker 5:
[22:36] 40, they got a foot in the grave.
Speaker 4:
[22:39] Yeah, so, like, I remember them all being really old, but they probably weren't. But the same thing, it's like, there was nobody that was even friendly with their students. So, is this a new thing that people are doing, that teachers are doing? If so, I feel very uncomfortable about having a kid and having them go to high school. Even if there is no nefarious behavior going on, this is so inappropriate to me. If I knew even my daughter's student had her female teacher's phone number and was texting with her, I would report it immediately. This just seems so against every rule that there should be in high school.
Speaker 5:
[23:15] Yeah, and that other case, the Christina Formella case, which is another objectively beautiful 20-something woman doing this with a 15-year-old student when she's married. But the texts, it's like, I need to understand this psychology because I don't know if it's always been happening with women. It's always been happening with men. We know that. That happens all the fucking time, and it happens way more with men. I think these cases with these women, because they're conventionally attractive and they're getting a lot of news right now.
Speaker 4:
[23:49] Women don't do this. Statistically, it's men.
Speaker 5:
[23:52] But enough of them are to do this.
Speaker 4:
[23:53] That's what I'm saying. It's so shocking to us because it's such a small percentage of women perpetrators, especially as teachers, that I think that that's why it blows our minds so much because number one, we're women, we're like, how dare you and how could you possibly do anything like this? It seems so wrong and unnatural in so many ways that that's why I think I'm like, I can't stop thinking about it because I'm like, what? In no world would that ever, even like dating a little bit younger, the older I get is like, this seems, doesn't seem right.
Speaker 5:
[24:30] Doesn't seem good.
Speaker 4:
[24:32] No.
Speaker 5:
[24:32] And yeah, I just have so many questions because like I do think it's about wanting power without realizing it. Like you're smarter than them because you're older. Like, is it that you know how to manipulate them? I don't really know.
Speaker 4:
[24:48] Well, I definitely think it's-
Speaker 5:
[24:49] I don't know if they know why they're doing it.
Speaker 4:
[24:51] I definitely think it's like chronically low self-esteem. Like where it's like the only way that you, or self-worth, whatever, where it's like the only way that you think that you can get validation from other people is in a situation where you're in power, and where they're like obligated to, I guess. Yeah. I don't know.
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Speaker 4:
[27:28] Inappropriate.
Speaker 5:
[27:30] Also, weird. Like, why? Why? That's fucking weird.
Speaker 4:
[27:34] It's sexual.
Speaker 5:
[27:35] And she had, she has it written on, it's also, teachers aren't your mom. Like, forget the sexual, like, imagine if it's just a power thing. Like, why are you wanting to act like these kids' moms? That's weird. But it's written on her, on her whiteboard behind her here. You could see it. So, yeah. And something I wanted to talk about before we like get into actual texts. Something that really surprised me was, so with Angela Burlaka, she is the other teacher at the school who was filming these very, very, very graphic videos and sending them to the victim. Haley Beck was actually having, allegedly, sexual contact with the victim, right? Like, they were, we saw texts about what was going on. You know, she was pursuing and pressuring sexual contact. But Burlaka's charges are actually more serious.
Speaker 4:
[28:34] Yeah, I'm confused about this.
Speaker 5:
[28:36] Right, so Haley Beck's facing one recommended count of pandering, including another to engage in prostitution. So that's tied to the money she was giving him.
Speaker 4:
[28:49] But then what about, was he 18 after they started having sex?
Speaker 5:
[28:55] He was 18 when this investigation began. But the texts and stuff show that, like, things started to get inappropriate. When he was a sophomore. So I think what they're trying to zero in on was like the first time there was contact. Because if he was 18, then it's not illegal. But you get fired for it, but you're not going to jail for it. So I think they're trying to pinpoint what that is. But right now, she hasn't been charged yet, but the DA has spoken publicly and is saying, that's what has been recommended, that she gets charged with a Class 5 felony punishable by two and a half years in prison. Now, Burlaka's charges, a Class 5 felony is less serious than a 4. So one is the most serious. So Haley's facing a Class 5. Angela Burlaka is facing a Class 4 felony. One recommended count of furnishing obscene material to a minor. And so hers is more serious. And she could face more than three years in prison. So it's more serious. Even though we don't know if she actually had sex, raped, however you want to describe this coercive, abusive situation, we know that the mother in an interview yelled and said, he's fucking two teachers about her son, which is the wrong perspective to have here. But I don't know if she just thinks that because of the video or if they actually had had contact. I don't know. But we know that in texts between the victim and Burlaka, he was like, hey, you know, want to meet up in December or something? And he's like, I'll be 19. And she like liked that or whatever. So it's unclear whether, you know. It's a lot.
Speaker 4:
[30:55] Who knows?
Speaker 5:
[30:57] It's a lot. Now, last week, we read a bunch of evidence tied to all of this. We're going to go through more, some police documents. We're going to get even deeper peek into this strange grooming relationship. So here's another conversation where Beck is talking to someone about the victim and the Burlaka situation. It doesn't appear that she's talking to the victim.
Speaker 4:
[31:21] But she's talking to, allegedly, another student, right?
Speaker 5:
[31:25] Yes. Which, again, what? Yes. And I've been seeing online, like, people think this might be another male victim of Haley Beck's that she was sort of pivoting to. Because by this point, the victim had moved to California. So for all intents and purposes, it was over. So this might be a second one because they are saying there could be multiple victims. And basically, this conversation, I'll, like, set it up, and then if you want to go back and forth through these with me. But she's talking to another student who's 17 about Angela and her knowledge of Angela sending obscene material to the victim. Haley also admits to sending stuff to the victim herself. So, I'll be Haley, you be probably the second victim, the red-acted name. So, she says, I want to, like, know how they found out about it.
Speaker 4:
[32:30] I don't know. I actually have no clue. I was just as confused, to be honest.
Speaker 5:
[32:34] Like, did someone turn it in? Like, obviously, like, I mean, maybe a parent, but, like, Blank's parents surely didn't like. That's not something that they would do or care about, honestly. That's really interesting. She's saying, she's inferring that they know about what she's doing. Yeah, that the parents know what she's doing to their son, and they don't care. They only seem to care because it could mess with the scholarship.
Speaker 4:
[33:00] So insane. Yeah. Okay. Redacted name says, I know, I don't, no, definitely not. I don't, I don't know because Ms. Burlaka has a husband. And are these voice notes or do they go to voice notes later?
Speaker 5:
[33:15] These, I think, are texts.
Speaker 4:
[33:16] Okay.
Speaker 5:
[33:19] Oh, actually, these could be voice notes or Snapchat. It's hard to know.
Speaker 4:
[33:22] I think that they are voice notes because, yeah, okay. Doesn't matter. But the way that they speak sounds very...
Speaker 5:
[33:28] That sounds spoken.
Speaker 4:
[33:29] Yeah, you're right. Lots of likes to be just texting.
Speaker 5:
[33:32] So then Haley says, Blank was supposed to stay, like, over the weekend until Sunday until he went to California. But then he went yesterday. And part of me feels like it has to do with the situation.
Speaker 4:
[33:43] Um, it might be, to be honest, not gonna lie.
Speaker 5:
[33:46] Yeah, no, she's got her whole husband, and I'm like, and like two grown kids, so I don't know. Now she's talking about Burlaka.
Speaker 4:
[33:52] Yeah. And they said, Geez Louise, bro.
Speaker 5:
[33:56] And Haley says, literally, he is. He didn't. He is just like the receiver of that, like, I don't know. And then Haley says, I think, yeah, like, I feel like he's dipping away from that kind of, like, abruptly, kind of sus. If he just received them, I don't know.
Speaker 4:
[34:13] And then the redacted says, that's actually smart, to be honest. I think you're on to something, actually.
Speaker 5:
[34:21] Haley says, yeah, he, because he literally, he literally was back for, like, one day, and I'm pretty sure, and he was going to come talk to the coaches at blank, but didn't even do that. Like, I just want to know what went down for him to do it so abruptly and just, like, be like, yep, I'm out. And then she says, because technically, he's not even withdrawn from blank. Like, he's pretended dropped, but, like, he's on the roster at the other school. Everything's crazy.
Speaker 4:
[34:46] And then they say, bruh, nah, cops are at his house since Thursday morning, I think, Wednesday morning, Thursday morning. But I heard he was talking about doing this before, so I don't know.
Speaker 5:
[35:00] And then Haley says, no, he's definitely, like, been set on the California thing. He was making it seem like he was going to be home this weekend, then everything happened and just, like, okay, I'm out. And then Haley says, wait, how do you know cops? Wait, how do you know that about the cops being at his house?
Speaker 4:
[35:17] And they said, because he told me.
Speaker 5:
[35:19] And Haley says, did he talk to the cops? Like, what happened? Like, what did he say? Spill.
Speaker 4:
[35:25] They said, I have no clue. I just know that the cops were at his, actually. He didn't tell me, but he told me that the cops were at his house.
Speaker 5:
[35:32] And you can hear her energy shift even with what she's saying. She's like, that's weird. Like, I mean, they prob, maybe they tried to get a hold of him, and they just, like, trying to get him for questioning if she's got an open investigation. Maybe they're just trying to. I don't know.
Speaker 4:
[35:47] They said, I don't know either, but it's actually crazy as fuck. Oh, shit.
Speaker 5:
[35:51] And Haley says, I mean, I hope he didn't do anything wrong. Like, I feel like if it was the case of just like, hey, we know that this person has sent you stuff, like, can you confirm? And just questioning it. I feel like that wouldn't be a problem to him. Unless he did anything. And then she says, did she ever send stuff to you? Like, I remember you saying, like, I'm not going to say anything, blank. Like, I swear, but like, be so honest. Because I remember you saying that she had you, had stuff from another teacher. And I remember trying to guess, just be honest.
Speaker 4:
[36:23] And so her guessing if there's another teacher means that there could have been another teacher as well.
Speaker 5:
[36:28] No, I think she was guessing if that Angela sent her, this kid stuff as well, the second student. So and then Haley says also can we like listen to my voice right now after two days of teaching for seven hours straight? I think by the end of the semester, I'm going to lose my voice at least three times, especially soccer season. And then Haley says, so there's a different teacher that's not her. That's not me sending you stuff or sent you stuff, I guess. Like you can be very honest, like I'm not literally going to say anything to anybody. Like I promise.
Speaker 4:
[36:55] They said, nah, she did, but fuck, no one knows. No one could ever know. I don't know.
Speaker 5:
[37:00] She says, that's the craziest part is that, so between you and Blank, the victim, and obviously others, one of the others had to say something unless like her own family did, meaning unless Burlaka's husband ratted her out. So Haley says, so like how did people, did other people throw Blank's name in there too? I'm assuming.
Speaker 4:
[37:19] They said, yeah, I don't know, but I was like, fuck, I was done, like I stopped. I don't know half the shit this person is saying. I know Blank is the main one, they say though.
Speaker 5:
[37:32] So Blank is the one being abused by both teachers. So now Haley says this, okay, I'm not going to lie. I knew that she sent Blank victim stuff. He told me this at the end of last semester, that he just had the videos or whatever, but for what he made, it seemed like, and I was actually shocked and like, I never ever said that, like I never told a soul because like someone's a couple, people's lives you're messing with. So I never said anything. But as far as I know from what he's saying, it was just him receiving them kind of thing and not doing anything about it. So I didn't know if he was the main one. And then she said, and I do know that apparently he said, victim found out about her doing that. I'm not sure, he has no idea how she found out. I have no idea how she found out about all of that. So she like has that info, who knows what she would have done with that.
Speaker 4:
[38:21] When they say that bitch is crazy, the bitch is crazy, it's definitely her. Same with me, she's freaky. Miss Burlaka is a freak. Oh, and they said, no, she's crazy and blank. There's fucking Burlaka and fucking something else.
Speaker 5:
[38:36] I don't know if she's like anti-blank. I don't even know if they're together, who knows? But I don't know if she wanted to do something to get him in trouble. That's something really evil. Okay, so I think Haley is talking about the victim's girlfriend. Oh. Because remember last week we read the texts where the girlfriend was like, I want to stomp on Miss Beck, she's on my For You page. Yeah. So then Haley says, like, listen, if I were to do any of that stuff, like still that's extremely wrong, like so, so, so, so wrong, don't get it twisted, but like, and I send to multiple people, like that is actually insane. But for her who's like 50 years old with a husband and kids, that's wrong, time's wrong. Okay, how are you sleep at night, Haley?
Speaker 4:
[39:18] I know. I love how you think that you're You're just a little bit wrong.
Speaker 5:
[39:22] It's a moral high ground.
Speaker 4:
[39:23] Yeah. Then they say, now that shit's crazy. Well, you with me, that's different. That's different because look at me. Oh, it's different. I turn 18 soon anyway. So we can assume that something's going on here.
Speaker 5:
[39:38] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[39:39] And then there's a lot of redacted things in between some of these and it says, she's OB crazy. I don't know what OB stands for.
Speaker 5:
[39:47] And Haley says, no, it's not even about that. It's the fact that I mean, again, I'm not saying this to rationalize this at all. I'm in my 20s, single, no kids. Again, that does not make it okay for me to be freaky. If I was going to do that, even just to you, just like I don't know, that's why. So she's like, she knows that what she's doing isn't okay, but she's doing it anyway.
Speaker 4:
[40:07] Yeah. And she's trying to just justify it as not being as bad as Burlaka. Then they say, that bitch is crazy and evil and Blank tried to break up with her.
Speaker 5:
[40:16] Haley says, yeah, but Blank had her as a teacher and I feel like she liked her as far as I know. So I don't know. So she's talking about the victim's girlfriend having Burlaka as a teacher. And is it the victim's girlfriend who ratted out Burlaka and got this whole thing started? Is what she's fact finding.
Speaker 4:
[40:33] Yeah. And then the redacted says, I don't know, bro, an evil world we live in.
Speaker 5:
[40:39] And then Haley says, yeah, but they literally left. That's the last time I heard from Blank, victim. Is that unintelligible? They're on good terms because of the fact that she, at the party, was throwing low blows all night. Just like a bitch, basically. And she went off, like crying, and he followed her. He's like, I'm not going to end it like this just because I'm leaving and you're not going to see me. And she's like, oh my God, I'm so sorry about everything and falling back on everything. So she's sitting here dishing about her victim's girlfriend and like...
Speaker 4:
[41:11] To like another high school boy.
Speaker 5:
[41:13] 17 year old and they're calling this girlfriend evil for maybe ratting out Miss Burlaka.
Speaker 4:
[41:19] It's so insane.
Speaker 2:
[41:21] It's so delusional.
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Speaker 4:
[44:34] Yeah, it says yes, literally, no, but maybe I was thinking that maybe her husband found out.
Speaker 5:
[44:40] Haley says this. Yeah, dude, like, I don't know that would be crazy for him to turn her in like that. I don't know. I asked my little cop guy friend, and he hasn't responded yet because he's sleeping. So I'll see what he says. So this is the same police department where the guy she was allegedly dating, the cop is working, who's going to be ultimately investigating her soon.
Speaker 4:
[45:02] The audacity is mind-blowing.
Speaker 5:
[45:05] It is mind-blowing.
Speaker 4:
[45:08] Yeah. It's so insane. Do we want to go to these next texts?
Speaker 5:
[45:13] Yeah. I think they're so fascinating.
Speaker 4:
[45:16] Yeah. So this is, I'm assuming, maybe the same second victim. Says, yeah, like, I won't be able to keep my eyes off of you. It's just going to be so hard, it's just going to be so focused in that class.
Speaker 5:
[45:28] She says, right, right, right. I'm glad, I'm glad you can prepare yourself. Yeah, hopefully you just stay focused, but don't get too distracted either, you know. Just make sure you want to talk to me the entire class. Not actually do work, but hoping to keep your good student standards in my class. This is so weird. And then she says this, or like, you also can't get like jealous when I show other people attention because that's like my job.
Speaker 4:
[46:01] The victim says, it's going to be so hard for me to do that. I just can't see you talk to another guy like that, oh my God.
Speaker 5:
[46:08] Then Haley says this, no, I've actually heard that before from somebody, actually a couple of people, like being dead serious when I was talking to other guy students in particular, they got a little jealous apparently, laughing and of pertinent audio messages. Then there's another one later where she texts the same student, only if you give me a back massage and the guy goes, I mean, sure.
Speaker 4:
[46:35] These are the back massages that are happening in class, right?
Speaker 5:
[46:39] I guess. Then this is the message that Haley basically sends a screen shot to the victim of this message. And this is the message she received. Blank. My name is Detective Craber with Peoria PD. I have a search warrant for your phone. I need you to turn it over. If you do not, you could face criminal charges for failing to obey a court order. If you prefer, we could contact you at your new school. Oh, this was to the victim.
Speaker 4:
[47:07] Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[47:08] So he sent this to Haley. I can contact you at your new school in California. Please call me to verify that I am, in fact, a police officer. Respond to this number to coordinate the surrender of your phone. And Haley says, I'm kind of freaking out about that message. And the victim says, delete everything about me in your phone, probably.
Speaker 4:
[47:28] Well, and then he goes to say, I don't think it's about you, though. I still think Miss B is in some shit, and they're trying to get me in for questioning. Haley says everything. Oh, go ahead.
Speaker 5:
[47:38] No, you do it.
Speaker 4:
[47:40] Haley says everything has been deleted. You do the same, but let me know what it's about. I'm nervous. I love how Haley thinks that you can just delete stuff on your phone and it's gone forever. Victim says, I have no clue. I think she just got caught up with some other kids, and they said my name got brought up. Haley says, I have something to give you also. She's still trying to give him gifts or something? And she says, okay, as long as it's not her. He says, I'm leaving now. She says to go wear Dago. I don't know what Dago is, but just go an email. And then he is...
Speaker 5:
[48:10] Dago is San Diego, apparently. Oh.
Speaker 4:
[48:17] Yeah, I don't know what she gave him. Probably more money.
Speaker 5:
[48:22] Yeah, and then there's later, Haley's like, all right, I hope you're not like weird with me or something, but okay. And he goes, just trying not to create any new situation. Then he says, you see this shit in front of your face. Like, he's saying, there's an investigation. They're going to take my phone. And she's like, but you're not going to be weird with me, right? And she says, just wanting to be updated about your stuff really. Yeah, this is just a you and me thing though. Not that it's right, but others were involved with her. No need to just get automatically standoffish. She's so desperate for this guy. No need to be a stranger in Cali.
Speaker 4:
[49:03] And he says, never send me the email again real quick. She says, who are you showing it to? He said, my dad. And then she said, did the police, did you tell him the police contacted you? And he says, he knows goofball. They showed up at my door banging on it at 6 a.m. the first day of school and fucked up every plan we had to up there. And he said, didn't get to talk to any coaches or any people or anyone. So.
Speaker 5:
[49:27] And Haley didn't know that she goes, wait, what? On all caps.
Speaker 4:
[49:33] It's so insane.
Speaker 5:
[49:35] Yeah. She's delusional. Oh, and she goes, they came to your house. And he goes, I gotta go delete this shit. Haley goes, you're being weird, but okay. Then this victim goes, you're being an idiot. Like there isn't an investigation going on in front of your face. Then Haley goes, bro, for videos of Burlaka, because other kids told you're on your way to Cali and this is over Snap. Like, tell me if this is about something else, please. What's the name of your school? Then she says, he doesn't respond, and she goes, and then we can call it for the day. But she goes, okay, not going to lie, I feel the need to text you because I feel like I'm out of the loop with your stuff, and don't want you hiding things from me, especially if it has a little to do with me and your sudden decision to leave today, it made me a little nervous. I feel like you wouldn't have told me if I didn't ask. The last thing I want to do is overwhelm you and stress you out because I'm sure your day yesterday has been hard enough, but you can talk to me on here. Like you're in Cali and this is over snap. I'm not dumb to the situation right now, but I feel like my mind has been stressing just because you're not really talking to me about this stuff. Talk to me when you can. I know you're busy, but please fill me in to ease my mind.
Speaker 4:
[50:47] And then there's some notes that they found on her phone. Like they searched her notes app and like everybody has done this before where it's like you and the person you're talking to, like there's something going on. So you like try to draft your note, your text to them over if it's a long one, you like draft it over and over again in your notes. And she was doing that to text from him from for that text that she kept editing. And it was just like, girl.
Speaker 5:
[51:14] Doing that would give me like even seeing people doing that is like gives me PTSD. Cause like I haven't done that since I've been in like really fucked up relationships.
Speaker 4:
[51:22] I know.
Speaker 5:
[51:22] Cause you don't need to do that in good relationships. Nope.
Speaker 4:
[51:25] I never had to do with Jared once.
Speaker 5:
[51:27] No, exactly. So it's like, only when you're in like horrible fights with fucked up people, do you need to do that.
Speaker 4:
[51:32] With like narcissistic, manipulative people.
Speaker 5:
[51:34] Yeah. Or you are the narcissistic manipulative person.
Speaker 4:
[51:37] Like she is in this case. No, I'm not comparing myself. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[51:39] Like where she's delusional. Like she is.
Speaker 4:
[51:42] It is so insane. Well, we'll keep you guys updated as things come. What a wild ride. Get this one behind bars.
Speaker 5:
[51:52] That's right.
Speaker 4:
[51:53] What's even going? Maybe we should do a refresh of the teachers at this high school because I don't know what's going on. And if your kid goes there, maybe rethink.
Speaker 5:
[52:04] I know. And I think a lot more lawsuits will come out because there's a lot of failures with mandatory reporting. And if you Google this case, there's not a ton of news articles except for about that. It's about like, why wasn't this reported? How many rules were broken at the school?
Speaker 4:
[52:22] How many teachers knew and didn't say anything? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5:
[52:25] How many students knew, parents knew. So I think a lot more is going to come out about this. I do think the other shoe will drop.
Speaker 4:
[52:32] Well, it's a bigger issue than just what we're talking about. It's a massive failure with so many people. 100% That's why it's so mind-blowing to me.
Speaker 5:
[52:41] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[52:42] All right, people, thank you for joining us. We love you so much. And remember to keep your tin foil hats on until next week.
Speaker 5:
[52:49] Forever and ever.
Speaker 6:
[52:50] Bye.
Speaker 4:
[52:51] Bye.
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