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Speaker 1:
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Speaker 2:
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Speaker 3:
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Speaker 1:
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Speaker 3:
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Speaker 2:
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Speaker 4:
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Speaker 1:
[01:31] Hello, out there.

Speaker 4:
[01:33] Yes, hello out there again, everyone. Welcome back to None But The Brave, a presentation of Evergreen Podcast. I'm Hal Schwartz, and as always, I'm joined by my great buddy Flynn McLean and Flynn. Last night down on the shore, we attended the fourth annual American Music Honors, a program put on by the Springsteen Center For American Music, and it was a great night.

Speaker 5:
[01:51] Just an unbelievable night, and I am really dragging today if that's any indication of just how good it was.

Speaker 4:
[01:58] It really was, and before we get to that, I was in Phoenix, and I have to say, the Phoenix show was the best one I've seen on the tour yet. Bruce seemed loose. He started talking about having played in Phoenix for the first time in 1974, and how it was one of their first markets outside the Northeast that really accepted them. And then he brought up a theater that he had played, which turned out to be named the Celebrity Theater, and they had played on a rotating stage, and he asked the crowd, is that stage still there? And I guess it's a famous theater in Phoenix, because lots of people yelled out yes, and for the rest of the night, he was just riffing on that, that he couldn't believe that the rotating stage was still there, that he has to come back to Phoenix and see it. It was really a great performance, and he seemed in great spirits, and I actually had a pit virgin with me. Shout out to my friend Kathy, and she had that look of wonder on her face during My City Of Ruins when he was right in front of us, that we've seen so many times before from people who are experiencing Bruce for the first time. She had actually seen a show or two before, but the first time in a pit, and she was blown away.

Speaker 5:
[03:09] I'm not surprised by that. I'm really impressed that you thought it was the best of the three you've seen. And that's really saying something, especially after you were so, you were glowing, you were buzzing after that first LA show. And going back to what he was talking about from the stage, it's always good to me when he's going off script and he's talking about giving a little bit of local flavor regarding his own history in that city. So I'm really glad to see that.

Speaker 4:
[03:35] Yeah, as we know, there's not a lot of spontaneity on this tour, especially in terms of the songs being played. But this was a true moment where he reacted to something that happened in the building. And it was really great to see. And as I say, I think he was in great spirits. He sounded great. And it really was the best of the three shows I've seen so far because it just really hit me. And even though I had already seen it and it was the same exact show as LA Night Two, it just really seemed that special. And as I said in the last episode, what he's doing on this tour is just so impressive. And it's grabbing the audience in a way that I think we haven't seen in a while. He has a hold of the audience that just starts, I think, during that opening speech before war and just doesn't let up. It's really something to see.

Speaker 5:
[04:24] Well, we're recording this on Sunday night. I'm going to the Newark show tomorrow night. So I was already incredibly excited about going to the show. And you're only making me even more excited, Hal.

Speaker 4:
[04:36] You're going to love it. So with that, let's get to American Music Honors, which took place in the Pollock Theater on the campus of Monmouth University last night. And these events, they're just very special. We're very blessed to be there. And there's just something about the way they are running the program and how it's focusing on American music. And I know there's two more shows coming up in June, which are going to be in the larger venue at Monmouth in the arena. And I just think they're doing great things. And the night started with Bruce inducting Dionne Warwick into the, well, she received the American Music Honor Award. And he spoke so beautifully about her. And then she came up and she's 85 years old. I just thought what she said was really fantastic. And she actually hit on Bruce as Brian Williams later pointed out. And then she did a couple of songs, Walk On By, which I thought was one of the high points of the evening. And then she was joined by Darlene Love for That's What Friends Are For.

Speaker 5:
[05:42] And it was such a beautiful version of That's What Friends Are For. I was not a big fan of the song when it was on the top of the charts. And it was number one, I believe in January of 1986. But it really hit me the way she sang it last night. Maybe I was just thinking up the way. The reason that they recorded it, wrote it and recorded it back in 86, to raise money to help people affected and infected by HIV AIDS. And that really hit me hard last night for some reason that I don't know, oddly enough. But then, walk on by, as you said, that was really something special. Again, I'm not familiar with her work prior to That's What Friends Are For. But if that's any indication of what she was doing, she was amazing. And of course, Bruce was very effusive of his praise of her. And those songs, I think he called what she did with Burt Bacharach songs, Pop Heaven. And it sounded like, yeah, that's what she did.

Speaker 4:
[06:43] Yeah. It wasn't just Burt Bacharach. He had a partner, Hal David, and they wrote incredible songs for both Dionne Warwick and many other artists. And I actually was hoping she would do Say A Little Prayer, which is a song that they wrote and she originally did. And then Aretha Franklin had a big hit with it. But just that segment was really something. And we should also shout out Mark Ribler and the Disciples of Soul, who did a great job backing all of these artists last night. That's got to be a very difficult thing to pull together, different styles of music. I mean, they went from Dionne Warwick to The Doors. So you don't need to know anything more than that.

Speaker 5:
[07:22] Actually, Hal, you can say they went from The Doors to Public Enemy. So I think to me that's a bigger shift than Dionne Warwick to The Doors.

Speaker 4:
[07:34] You are actually correct about that. And let's get to The Doors. They were inducted by Steve and he did a great job. I happened to be a big Doors fan, as you know, and it was a thrill for me to see that. And I thought that Robbie Krieger might be there as well. John Densmore accepted the award. He said that Robbie's wife unfortunately was sick. As you know, I've seen Robbie Krieger a number of times. He's been playing pretty regularly at the Whiskey A Go Go, the place where they started out 60 years ago. And just what they did after, yes, it was sad Robbie wasn't there, but John was joined by Bruce and Steve, and they played Light My Fire. And it was just, it was sort of bizarre to see. And Bruce even said he hadn't played Light My Fire since, I think he said the CYO dance. But just to have that happen, it was really kind of surreal and it was really a nice moment.

Speaker 5:
[08:27] It definitely was. I thought that song was one of the highlights of the evening. Now, I was curious if Bruce could hit that note, the Jim Morrison yell on the last fire of the song. And maybe I was just in the moment, but I certainly thought he did. And I definitely yelled out my approval for that, as did many others in the audience. And I thought that was just spectacular. And then need to need to mention the guitar duel, or at least Steve and Bruce trading guitar licks during the song. I thought that was absolutely fantastic. I just love watching those two guys play, play in that manner, bouncing off each other in a song. Just, just magic right there.

Speaker 4:
[09:07] Yeah. I don't know if you caught that. I think that may have been impromptu because when the song was going to start, Bruce didn't have a guitar and he turned to Kevin and he said, hand me a guitar just so I have something in my hands.

Speaker 5:
[09:18] So- Oh, I didn't see him say that. Okay.

Speaker 4:
[09:20] Oh, yeah. Just seemed to me like he didn't even think that he was going to have a guitar on his hands for that. But that was a really good moment. Then they brought up Steve Earle, which was a surprise. Of course, he's a previous inductee and they did Roadhouse Blues. And then Bruce said he was going to have Patti Smith sing his favorite door song and she did Crystal Ship. And that was pretty cool. That was really a great moment.

Speaker 5:
[09:46] Well, I am not familiar with that song, but it certainly was a good performance, an excellent performance by Patti Smith. I thought she fit in quite well there, even if I don't know the song.

Speaker 4:
[09:56] Now, after that, I think Max came up, right. They actually didn't go from The Doors to Public Enemy directly because wasn't the band in between?

Speaker 5:
[10:05] It was, yes. But I still feel like the doors to the band, not that big. But The Doors to Public Enemy, that's huge.

Speaker 4:
[10:13] Yeah. Well, all in the same evening, it is incredible.

Speaker 5:
[10:16] All genres of American music, Hal.

Speaker 4:
[10:18] Yes. And we saw the full gamut last night. And then, as I was saying, Max came up and he gave a speech about the band. And it was a very well-written speech. It ran a little long, to be honest. And I think Max himself knew that because later on when the band came up, and we'll get to that later.

Speaker 5:
[10:39] All right, Hal, you're going to have to specify which band you're talking about here.

Speaker 4:
[10:43] Oh, you're right. The E Street Band came up.

Speaker 5:
[10:46] But that was what Max was, when he made the comment about he wasn't going to go lengthy, but when he first came on stage, he gave a lengthy introduction to the band, as in Robbie Robertson, LeVon Hill, et cetera.

Speaker 4:
[11:00] I forget we're dealing with two entities that we call the band here. So yes, Flynn is correct. The band, the Robbie Robertson, LeVon Hill, Danko, those guys, that's who Max came up to talk about. And he gave a very lengthy speech. And then when the E Street Band came up to accept their induction, Max, I think, realized he met the audience, felt he had spoken for a while, said, don't worry, I'm going to be brief. And that got a really large laugh.

Speaker 5:
[11:27] Yes, it did. That was actually really funny.

Speaker 4:
[11:30] It was. Well, at least he realized so. But Max gave a speech about his relationship with LaVon Helm. And then, which was amazing because especially, I didn't see the weight when it was played. I guess it was, what, 14 years ago?

Speaker 5:
[11:44] Sure was. May 2nd.

Speaker 4:
[11:46] Bruce came up with Amy Helm, LaVon's daughter, and I guess Steve Earle was on stage. There was a number of people on stage, but Bruce was really leading the song with Amy, and they did a gorgeous version of the weight.

Speaker 5:
[12:01] Even better was, I thought, was Amy's performance of her singing up on Cripple Creek. She really, she was amazing. I think that was, again, another top moment of the night. She just had a great voice, and yeah, it was just amazing. I just love that part of the show. Those two songs are, I mean, they really are part of the American songbook, and definitely belong on that stage.

Speaker 4:
[12:28] Following that, then Jimmy Iovine came up, and I know we always say, if you're going to throw an event like this, you want Bruce to give a speech. The other guy who knows how to give a speech just incredibly well is Jimmy Iovine. He came up and he was so entertaining, talking both about his work with Bruce, and then of course he was introducing Dr. Dre, who was being inducted, and he was talking about how Dr. Dre did all these things that had never been done before, ranging from basically creating rap music to creating of course beats, which he did with Jimmy Iovine, which Iovine was very funny about when he talked about their collaboration there. I just thought that was great. Then perhaps even out doing Iovine, Dre came up and he gave the most heartfelt speech. I thought what he said was wonderful.

Speaker 5:
[13:21] Yeah, he was. He was really touched to be there. And I really liked the fact that again, the Center For American Music is really bringing in all kinds of music. And to have him there, he didn't invent rap, but he certainly transformed things in the 90s when he worked with Snoop Dogg, he worked with Eminem, he worked with Tupac. And his influence there is just absolutely huge. And I feel like most of his contributions are more on the producing end. And that's what he did with Tupac and Eminem. I think he was only on a couple of albums. Now, I could be wrong, I don't know his real history. I know he did The Chronic and the work with Snoop Dogg. But I think the majority of his influence is going to be felt on the producing side.

Speaker 4:
[14:06] That sounds about right. And he also spoke about the genesis of rap and how it was born out of these kids not having enough money for guitars and pianos and instruments. And instead, they invented this new genre of music using two turntables and a microphone. It was pretty incredible to hear. And then demonstrating what you said that his real impact was as a producer, the Disciples Of Salt played California Love led by the excellent backing singers in that band who are always so entertaining. And I love hearing California Love because as anyone who follows baseball will know that the, that was the entry song for Kenley Jantz in the long time closer of the two time world champion Los Angeles Dodgers. So I thought that was cool.

Speaker 5:
[14:57] And people who know me know I really got my funk on listening to that song in the clubs back in the mid 90s. And I am not kidding on that one. I really did. I enjoyed dancing to that one quite a bit. Really had, I brought some of that back last night actually.

Speaker 4:
[15:11] And then they were followed by a surprise performance by Public Enemy of Fight The Power.

Speaker 5:
[15:18] Oh man, that was awesome.

Speaker 4:
[15:20] I don't want to say that Bruce and the E Street Band got upstaged at their own event, but they sort of did.

Speaker 5:
[15:27] Yeah, they did. Chuck D came up in Flavor Flav, and he's really been on a high recently. He was very involved with the Olympics, especially the women's teams. And yeah, he's the hype guy. I did a quick Google search on him last night. And yeah, he was the hype guy for Public Enemy, and not that they needed one because Chuck D was, he's amazing himself, The Fight To Power. That's a landmark song. And of course, I always associated that song with the opening credits to Do The Right Thing, Spike Lee's amazing movie from 1990.

Speaker 4:
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Speaker 4:
[17:38] And then we got to The E Street Band. Now, interestingly, they were listed what appeared to be last in the program. And more telling when Brian Williams introduced John Landau, who was inducting the band, Brian said, And now for the final act of the evening, although at that point they were not. So he must have been reading off a script. And somewhere along the way, the E Street Band and Patti Smith flipped because she wound up going last. But Landau came up and I know that people have varying opinions of John Landau. But I will tell you, if you were in the room last night, he gave a phenomenal speech. Funny, caring, important. I just thought that he did a really great job of honoring the E Street Band. Do you concur?

Speaker 5:
[18:32] I agree 100 percent. I thought it was a very heartfelt moment when he talked about every member of the band. And I know there are some band members have had some, but it has a few times over the years going back many, many years. But obviously, a lot of that is in the past or all of that is in the past. And obviously, at this point, Landale is kind of part of that band of brothers.

Speaker 4:
[18:56] Oh, I know we're talking about the E Street Band now, but I do want to point out before I forget, Bruce was hilarious during the public enemy performance. He was in the front row, very visible, and it was great.

Speaker 5:
[19:07] Well, that was a moment where everybody in the theater was on their feet. That was the high energy moment of the night, believe it or not. And I said to my wife, I said, that was fucking amazing. And it really, really was. Everybody, literally everybody was into it.

Speaker 4:
[19:22] Getting back to the E Street Band induction, I thought one of the funny things was at the end of every person he was talking about, every member of the band, and it was the classic member of the band. He, I thought very appropriately highlighted people like Jake and Charlie Giordano and Davey Sanctius. But he said, that's not who we are here to honor tonight. We are here to honor the men and one woman who are part of the classic E Street Band, and that of course is the band from 1975 to 1984. Then when Steve left, Nils and Patti came in. Those are the members who we all recognize as the core band, and that's who was honored last night.

Speaker 5:
[20:03] Or you can just say the band that was on tour for the reunion tour.

Speaker 4:
[20:07] Yes, that is true.

Speaker 5:
[20:09] It's interesting because obviously Nils and Steve, they were part of different times of the classic era, but everybody was there in 1999 and 2000.

Speaker 4:
[20:19] But funny that Land, at the end of every bit where he talked about each member of the band, he said something like, and I hear he's a nice guy, and Steve was the first one he talked about, and Steve in the audience, I don't know if you caught this, Steve was like, we know even from when Steve was on with us, there's been some tension over the years, I think, in terms of the production between Steve and John. So I thought that was funny that they reflected on that.

Speaker 5:
[20:49] Well, I liked it when he was talking about Max and he said, and according to Max's two kids, he's a nice guy too. So I thought that was really funny.

Speaker 4:
[20:59] It was really well done. Then when he got to Danny and to Clarence, he turned a little bit more heartfelt and he really spoke lovingly about them. And obviously, it's just a terrible shame that they're no longer with us and able to participate in these events. But the point that Bruce makes every night during the show when he plays 10th Avenue and the point they were making last night, those men are with us every time they gather to play music. And it's always powerful when it is demonstrated in that fashion.

Speaker 5:
[21:30] Oh, absolutely. I think it was Jake who basically quoted Bruce back.

Speaker 4:
[21:36] Yeah, for Broadway.

Speaker 5:
[21:37] Yeah. Well, actually that line goes back to Bruce's eulogy for Clarence.

Speaker 4:
[21:42] Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[21:44] Clarence doesn't leave the E Street Band when he dies. He leaves when we die. And that certainly was true last night.

Speaker 4:
[21:52] There was a funny moment when Jake started talking. And I think he realized people were like, what? Because he said that he and Clarence had the same shoe size. So it was easy to fill his shoes. And there really were gasps. And then he was like, and he had obviously set this up. So well done by Jake. He was like, but I could never fill the size of his footprints. And I thought that was aptly said and well done.

Speaker 5:
[22:18] I think he almost lost people with the first part of the metaphor. But I think he got them back. And he was right. It's hard to fill his Clarence's footprints. You listen to a show on E Street Radio, or you turn on E Street Radio and you don't know what song is playing, and you hear the sax come in, and so many times you're like, okay, yeah, that's Clarence. It's very identifiable.

Speaker 4:
[22:41] And Bruce accepted on behalf of Patti who couldn't be there. He said that she's doing well. So we're sorry that she couldn't be there and she was missed, but glad to hear she's doing well.

Speaker 5:
[22:52] Yeah. I was looking forward to hearing what she had to say. I really like what she said back in 2014 when the E Street Band was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and to have a few more years of perspective would have been really cool to hear from her. But Bruce did a great job describing what she added to the E Street Band. She broke the Boys Club, he said, and her vocals added so much more depth to the E Street sound.

Speaker 4:
[23:18] It was very well done. And Landau, at the end when he talked about Patti, he said, and Bruce tells me she's a very nice person.

Speaker 5:
[23:27] The way he kept coming back to that was very funny.

Speaker 4:
[23:30] Then the entire band got up with Bruce and played Thunder Road. Now, I have to admit this was a bit surprising to me. After the one song, they left the stage and why it was surprising was there were three door songs and two songs at least for every other artist. So I was a little thrown. I don't know how you felt, but it was a nicely played version of Thunder Road. Jake did a particularly good job at the end.

Speaker 5:
[23:55] Yeah, he sounded absolutely amazing throughout. It's hard to describe what it's like to see that song with the E Street Band in that venue, that theater, only 700 people in there. He's just right there. No matter where you're sitting in the theater, he is just literally right there. It's just so powerful to think back, this is the song that really started a lot of us along this path, and I thought it was a strong performance. But what was very striking to me, Hal, is that very few people were standing.

Speaker 4:
[24:29] That was weird.

Speaker 5:
[24:30] It was very weird. I thought maybe once the band kicked in, that once the drums came in, that yeah, okay, everybody's going to stand up, but nope, I feel like we're the only people standing in the whole theater, and it was just very, very odd. I really cannot believe it.

Speaker 4:
[24:45] Yeah. I think maybe people thought they were going to play on and they were going to stand up during the following song or songs, but obviously, as I pointed out, that didn't happen, but it was great to see them. Of course, that's the first performance of Thunder Road with the band in 2026. It has been played on the tour. It was played acoustic at light of day, and you hear people saying, oh, I can't believe he's not playing Thunder Road on the tour. Now, we know why that's likely the case. He doesn't feel it fits into the set, at least as it's currently constituted, but maybe it'll pop up later on. We'll see.

Speaker 5:
[25:20] I sure hope so. Actually, it's interesting. I think this was the first E Street performance of the song since being in that same venue last September.

Speaker 4:
[25:29] That's right.

Speaker 5:
[25:31] That's odd too.

Speaker 4:
[25:32] Then after the band cleared from the stage, Bruce stayed up there and gave another induction speech, this one for Patti Smith. We all know how close Bruce is to Patti Smith, and you also had Jimmy Iovine in the audience, and of course, Jimmy is the person who brought Because The Night to her, and Bruce has told that story many times before about how he felt he wasn't going to finish the song, and then when he heard what Patti had done with it, and how it was about a call from Fred Sonic Smith, her husband, that it just touched him so much, and they have such a bond, the two of them, and it was just really wonderful to see.

Speaker 5:
[26:10] Well, they certainly have a lot in their shared background, both a couple of Jersey kids coming to the city. She started off as more of a poet, before a couple of people told her to put some music behind it, and that's what she did. And then of course, as you were saying, their history will always be so connected just by that one song. And of course, they were even friends, I think, before then, and they certainly did a lot, done a lot since.

Speaker 4:
[26:37] Yeah, Bruce mentioned that he actually first met Patti on the street, Patti Smith, because of course, not only there are two bands involved in this show, there are two Patties, but Patti Smith, he met on the street in the 70s. And it was just a coincidence that he saw her on the street and they started talking and that they struck up a friendship that obviously continues to this day. And then Patti Smith took the stage, gave her acceptance speech, talking about many of the same events and very emotional about how she had sort of like a lack of confidence about the evening, the American Music Honors, that maybe she wasn't worthy of it. And she had to think about it and then she said, you know, Bruce asked me to do this, so of course I was going to do it. And she just, I think, went through pretty much the sequence of her entire career, speaking without notes. Everyone else had a speech up on the teleprompter. She spoke off the cuff and from the heart and she was great.

Speaker 5:
[27:34] And you're right, she was very, she seemed very nervous, very unsure of whether she deserved to be out there. Maybe that's not the right word, but she wasn't really sure that she belonged. And you could tell that she was a little bit nervous there. But then when they started the first song, Surprise, Surprise, Because The Night, she just morphed into the rock goddess that she is. Just in those few seconds, all of a sudden, she had all the confidence in the world. And I thought that was a great performance. To me, the best performance of Because The Night featuring Bruce and Patti, Patti Smith, would be the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame back in 2009, where U2 was the backing band.

Speaker 4:
[28:11] Yeah, that was awesome.

Speaker 5:
[28:12] That was incredible, but last night was pretty good, too.

Speaker 4:
[28:16] Yeah, Bruce took a nice lead in the middle. And it's always good to see him do that, because I really love his lead on Because The Night. And of course, as we know on the tour, Nils plays it now and has, I think, pretty much since 2008. And then they finished the evening with People Have The Power, Bruce and Patti Smith on stage, along with everyone else, including Favre Flav, who was really, again, the person who stole the show. People Have The Power is such an incredible song. And obviously at this moment in time, I think it has a special significance. But to have Flavre Flav up there doing Yeah Boy and leaving people in, you gotta fight the power, you know, it was really something. Bruce looked tremendously amused. I don't think that that was planned. He sort of popped up on stage. And it was an interesting ending and a really great capper to what was a pretty monumental night.

Speaker 5:
[29:18] Well, they had a really tough time getting Dr. Dre on stage. Steve had to go into the audience to grab him and be like, you gotta come up here. And but I'm glad I'm glad he went up there. And yeah, Flavre Flav was quite interesting. I'm sure there are tons of YouTube videos out there right now of the song of that performance. So definitely worth checking out.

Speaker 4:
[29:39] Just one note from the last episode, we have a little correction to make. I said, I didn't believe that Out In The Street had been played in 2025. It actually was played twice. Once in Manchester and once in Berlin. So I apologize for botching those details. There's a lot of songs to remember from a lot of years, but that's no excuse.

Speaker 5:
[29:58] That's true. But again, it still wasn't part of the show last year like it was for the first.

Speaker 4:
[30:03] No, it was not.

Speaker 5:
[30:04] For the first couple of shows this year. Right.

Speaker 4:
[30:07] Now we're just going to continue covering the tour. I can't wait for you to share with everyone what you think of this show. I've anxiously been awaiting the chance to talk to you about it with both of us having seen it. So that's not too far off and we'll have that in the next episode. So people can look forward to hearing that.

Speaker 5:
[30:28] Absolutely. I'd listened to Minneapolis a couple of times when it was first up on Nugs, and really loved it and as you've observed, it's only gotten better every night. But I've also tried to stay away from any recordings from this tour since then, because I want to go into Prudential very fresh and I think I will.

Speaker 4:
[30:48] Yeah. Once you say it, we're obviously focusing mainly on American Music Honors tonight. I think we should have a discussion, and I realized this in Phoenix, it's very interesting going into a show knowing the set is going to be the same versus the times we went into shows where we expected, hoped that there was going to be significant change. The way watching the show feels different, knowing that the show is going to be the show, I really thought about that the other night as I was watching, and I think that will be an interesting topic for us to discuss.

Speaker 5:
[31:25] Yeah. The last E Street Band show I saw was Asbury about a year and a half ago now. Yeah, that was a show where you really didn't know what's coming next, so this will be a very different show for me to watch.

Speaker 4:
[31:37] At this point, I really think this is pretty much the show. Maybe there'll be a change here or there. It seems like he's sticking with Two Hearts and American Land. We'll see what develops, but I don't think there's going to be significant change from the set list we're seeing the first week and a half, well, really two weeks of the tour now. I don't know that there needs to be change because the show really works as we've talked about. So it's just a different type of show, and I think including us, we just have to be used to that and accept that 18 changes a night, as I saw in 2008, that's not 2026.

Speaker 5:
[32:16] No, it's not. It's a different kind of show. Those shows were more wild and freewheeling and hey, what challenged the band and who knows what's coming next, and this one is way more focused. He has a point he wants to make, and these songs make that point for him. So there's really no need for him to shake things up.

Speaker 4:
[32:36] They certainly do. So with that, let me wrap things up. None But The Brave is presented by Evergreen Podcast, produced by Bull Market Entertainment. Please check out our Patreon page, patreon.com/mbtbpodcast, and at Twitter slash X, you can find us at mbtbpodcast.

Speaker 5:
[32:51] So for Hal Schwartz, I'm Flynn McLean saying thanks for listening and we'll see you further on up the road.

Speaker 2:
[32:56] Thank you so much. We'll be seeing you.