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[00:57] Yes, thesamemonday.com Some houses wear their evil on the outside. Crumbling foundations, broken windows. A general sense of wrongness that keeps people at a distance. You see them and you know. Your instincts tell you to cross the street. To walk a little faster. To not look too closely at the dark windows. But the LaLaurie Mansion? It's beautiful. Three stories of elegant ironwork balconies and creole architecture on one of the French Quarter's most prestigious streets. Soft gray exterior. Delicate wrought iron that catches the New Orleans sunlight just right. The kind of place you'd walk past and think, I'd love to live there. The kind of place that makes you imagine grand parties and champagne. And women in silk gowns descending a curved staircase. And that's exactly what makes it so disturbing. Because in April of 1834, firefighters responding to a kitchen blaze discovered something behind those beautiful walls that would haunt New Orleans for nearly 200 years. What they found in the attic wasn't just evidence of cruelty. It was a glimpse into the mind of a monster who'd been hiding in plain sight, hosting those exact parties you imagined. Entertaining the cream of New Orleans society while committing acts of torture, that shocked even the hardened men who uncovered them. The newspapers struggled to find words. Witnesses vomited at the scene. A crowd of over 2,000 people gathered in the street, and their shock turned to rage so quickly that authorities feared a riot. What happened in that mansion wasn't just wrong. It was evil in its purest, most calculated form. This is the story of Madame Delphine LaLaurie, the socialite who smiled at her guests while enslaved people suffered unspeakable horrors just floors above the ballroom. And it's the story of the mansion that still stands at 1140 Royal Street, where some say the victims never left, where the screams still echo through the walls, where the weight of that suffering has soaked so deeply into the foundation that no amount of renovation can scrub it clean. Welcome to Destination Terror. I'm Carmen Carrion, and tonight we're traveling to New Orleans, Louisiana, a city already steeped in ghost stories, voodoo legends and dark history. Walk through the French Quarter on any given night and you'll pass tour groups gathered around supposedly haunted buildings. Hear guides telling stories of pirates and plague victims and restless spirits who refuse to move on. New Orleans has built an entire industry around its supernatural reputation. And honestly, most of it is harmless fun. Ghost stories told over cocktails, a little theatrical fear to spice up your vacation. But even in a place known for the macabre, the LaLaurie Mansion stands apart. It's one of the most haunted locations in America. And the reason why has nothing to do with legend or folklore or stories passed down through generations until they blur into myth. The horrors that happened there are documented, verified, real. We have newspaper accounts, court records, witness testimonies from people who saw the aftermath with their own eyes. There's no uncertainty about whether something terrible happened at 1140 Royal Street. The only questions are about the details. How many victims? How long it went on? Exactly how far Madame LaLaurie's cruelty extended? And the spirits? Well, when you're suffering is that profound, when your death is that violent, when your story is buried for decades because your life was considered legally worthless, it's hard to imagine letting go. So before we dive into this story, I need to be clear about something. This episode contains descriptions of torture and extreme cruelty inflicted on enslaved people in 1830s New Orleans. It's historically accurate. It's necessary to understanding why this place has the reputation it does. But it's not easy to hear. If you need to skip this one, I understand completely. For everyone else, let's talk about the house on Royal Street. Destination Terror is part of the Eeriecast Podcast Network. You can find more terrifying locations at eeriecast.com, and be sure to follow the show on Spotify or your favorite podcast app. If you enjoy exploring haunted places and the legends behind them, leaving an honest review helps the show grow. If you like investigating locations where the unexplained defies easy answers, you may also enjoy Freaky Folklore, where we explore legendary creatures and myths from around the world. And for those interested in the psychology behind real crimes, check out Deadly Intent, available wherever you listen to podcasts. April 10th, 1834 started like any spring day in the French Quarter. Merchants opened their shops along Royal Street and Chartres Street, arranging their wares in the morning light. Street vendors calling out their offerings. Fresh bread, coffee, flowers. The smell of the Mississippi River mixed with cooking fires and the sweet heavy scent of magnolia blossoms. And at 1140 Royal Street, in one of the finest mansions in the district, Madame Delphine LaLaurie was likely planning another of her famous social gatherings. She was, by all accounts, New Orleans royalty, born Marie Delphine McCarty into a prominent Creole family. She had married three times, each marriage elevating her social status, her wealth, her position in a society that valued pedigree above almost everything else. By 1834, she was Madame LaLaurie, wife of physician Leonard Louis Nicholas LaLaurie, and one of the most admired women in New Orleans high society. If you had been lucky enough to attend one of her parties, you would have walked through doors into a world of elegance and refinement. You would have seen Madame LaLaurie moving through the crowd in the latest Paris fashions, speaking flawless French, charming everyone she encountered. You might have noticed how well-kept her home was, how smoothly the enslaved servants moved through their duties, how everything seemed to run like clockwork. You absolutely would not have suspected what was happening in the locked attic above your head. But around 10 a.m. that April morning, before any parties, before any guests, smoke began pouring from the mansion's kitchen. Neighbors noticed first, fire was a legitimate terror in a city built largely of wood, where buildings stood close together on narrow streets, where a single spark could consume entire blocks, before anyone could organize an effective response. So when smoke started billowing from the LaLaurie kitchen, people responded immediately. Someone ran to alert the fire brigade. Others started forming bucket lines, preparing to fight the flames before they spread. And several concerned neighbors rushed to the mansion's front door to make sure everyone got out safely. Madame LaLaurie answered the door herself, calm and composed in the way that only the very wealthy can be when faced with disaster. Yes, she acknowledged there was a small fire in the kitchen. No, she didn't need help. Everything was under control. Her household staff was handling it. There was no need for alarm. No need for anyone to come inside. But the smoke told a different story. It was getting thicker, darker, and the neighbors weren't buying her reassurances. And when the fire brigade arrived, volunteer firefighters who took the work seriously because their own homes depended on stopping fires before they spread, they weren't taking no for an answer. They pushed past her into the house, calling out as they went, making sure every room was clear, that every person was accounted for. The first floor clear, the second floor, residents and servants accounted for. They were doing what firefighters do, systematic, thorough, making sure no one got left behind. And then someone asked about the attic. The question was simple enough. Is anyone up there? Do we need to check it? But according to multiple witness accounts, Madame LaLaurie's reaction was immediate and strange. No, she said. The attic was locked. Just storage. Nothing important up there. Certainly no people. There was no need to go up there. No need to waste time when the fire was in the kitchen. When they should be focusing their efforts elsewhere. But her insistence had the opposite effect. Because why would someone be so adamant about keeping rescuers away from part of a burning building? What kind of storage was worth protecting more than human life? Maybe it was her tone. Too sharp and anxious. Maybe it was the way she physically positioned herself between the firefighters and the stairs. Like she was guarding something. Or maybe it was something one of the enslaved workers whispered when Madame LaLaurie was distracted. A desperate attempt to finally be heard. Whatever the reason, the firefighters made a decision. They were going up. Madame LaLaurie refused to provide the key, so they broke down the door. And what they found would be seared into New Orleans collective memory for the next two centuries. The attic of 1140 Royal Street was a torture chamber. Enslaved people were chained to walls and furniture. Some had been restrained for so long that their muscles had atrophied, their bodies unable to stand even when the chains were removed. There were instruments that served no purpose except causing pain. Iron collars with inward-facing spikes designed to prevent the wearer from lying down, or resting their head. Restraints that held people in positions that couldn't be maintained. That would cause muscle failure and agony within hours. Devices that seemed purpose-built for mutilation. The smell hit the firefighters immediately. Human waste from people who had been chained in place with no access to facilities. Infection from untreated wounds. The sweet, sick smell of gangrene. Death, because not everyone in that attic was still alive. The survivors, and we'll talk more about them shortly, bore injuries that shocked even the physicians who examined them. One woman had been bent over and chained in that position for so long that her spine had curved, her body unable to straighten even after release. A man had his mouth sewn shut. Another suffered what appeared to be amateur surgery. Crude incisions. Bones that had been broken and deliberately set incorrectly to cause permanent deformity. Judge Jean-Francois Canange, who arrived to investigate the scene and document what had been found, was a man who'd seen his share of New Orleans' darker side. But even he struggled to find appropriate language. In his official report, he wrote that the victims were tortured in a most cruel manner. That's the official language carefully chosen for a court document. The reality was far worse than any formal report could capture. The New Orleans Bee newspaper, in its April 11, 1834 edition, reported that at least seven enslaved people had been found in the attic. Other accounts suggest there may have been more. Either victims who died before the fire and whose bodies had been removed, or people who were too far gone to save and didn't survive the rescue. The exact number has been lost to history. Partially because, in 1834 New Orleans, enslaved people weren't always counted as carefully as property damage. But seven survivors were documented, seven people who had endured torture in the attic of one of the French Quarter's most beautiful homes, while just below, politicians and merchants in society's finest, drank champagne and discussed business deals. As word spread through the neighborhood about what the firefighters had found, the crowd outside grew. Ten people became 20, 20 became 50. By early afternoon, over 2,000 people had gathered on Royal Street. Some came to help. Doctors arrived to treat the survivors. Women brought blankets, water, anything that might provide comfort. But as more details emerged, as people heard about the chains, the torture devices, the condition of the victims, the crowd's mood shifted from concern to rage. They wanted Madame LaLaurie. They wanted her to face what she had done, to answer for the horrors she had inflicted. Some called for her arrest. Others called for immediate justice. But by the time authorities were bringing the last survivors down from the attic, carefully documenting the scene, trying to piece together how long this had been going on, Madame Delphine LaLaurie was already gone. She and her husband had slipped out during the chaos of the fire response, climbing into their carriage and fled into the city. By nightfall they would be out of New Orleans entirely. And despite the evidence, despite the witnesses, despite the victims who could testify to what had been done to them, she would never face trial. Because that's the other horror of this story. Not just what happened in that attic, but the fact that someone with enough money and social status could commit torture, be discovered in the act, and still escape any real consequences.

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[15:23] So who was Madame LaLaurie? And how did someone move through New Orleans society for decades, while committing torture that would make modern investigators sick? Marie Delphine McCarty was born around 1787, into a family that mattered in New Orleans. And I mean really mattered. This wasn't new money or social climbing. This was old Creole aristocracy, with deep roots in Louisiana territory. Her father, Louis Bartolomais de McCarty, held prominent positions in the colonial government. Her mother, Marie Jeanne Léhaub, came from wealth and connected the family to other powerful Creole clans. Her uncle, Esteban Rodriguez Miro, served as governor of Spanish Louisiana. This was the world Delphine grew up in. Privilege, education, social expectations prepared her to navigate the complex hierarchy of New Orleans society. She spoke French, Spanish and English fluently. She understood how to manage a household, how to host, how to present herself as the perfect lady. She learned early that appearance mattered, that reputation was currency, and that if you knew how to work the system, you could get away with almost anything. Her first marriage came when she was just 13 years old. In 1800, she married Don Ramon de López y Angulo, a high-ranking Spanish officer. It's worth noting that 13 was young even by 1800 standards. This wasn't typical, even for arranged marriages among the wealthy. But the match elevated her family's political connections, so it happened. López y Angulo died in 1804 at Havana, leaving Delphine a widow at 17 with one daughter, Marie Borgia Delphine López y Angulo. De la Candelaria. According to some accounts, there were rumors even then, whispers about López y Angulo's sudden death, questions about whether it was really natural causes. But whispers don't mean anything without proof. And a teenage widow with the right family connections doesn't get investigated too closely. Her second marriage came in June 1808 to Jean Blanc, a prominent banker, merchant and logger. This was a significant upgrade in terms of social position and wealth. Blanc was well connected, respected, successful. Together they had four children, Marie Louise Pauline, Louise Marie Laurie, Marie Louise Jeanne and Jean Pierre Paul and Blanc. By all accounts, this should have been a stable, prosperous marriage, but there were problems behind closed doors. Blanc died in 1816, again, supposedly of natural causes. Though, again, there were whispers. And after his death, some disturbing details emerged about the household. Neighbors had reported seeing enslaved people at the Blanc residence who appeared malnourished, who bore injuries that seemed excessive even accounting for the brutal reality of slavery. In 1810's Louisiana, one account describes an enslaved girl who appeared at a neighbor's door, terrified, with marks on her neck from a whipping. The neighbors tried to intervene, but legally, there was nothing to be done. Enslaved people had no legal standing to file complaints. Their testimony wasn't admissible in court, and Delphine had the kind of social protection that made accusations slide right off. So life continued. Delphine was now a wealthy widow twice over, a mother of five, and a fixture in New Orleans society. She had learned how to project the exact image people expected. The gracious hostess, the devoted mother, the cultured lady who represented the best of Creole refinement. Her third marriage to Dr. Louis LaLaurie in 1825 seemed to follow the pattern of her previous matches. Advantages, socially appropriate, financially sound. Dr. LaLaurie was 15 years younger than Delphine. She was 38, he was 23. But age gap marriages weren't uncommon, especially when the woman brought wealth and status to the match. What's interesting about Dr. LaLaurie is how little we actually know about him. He appears in records as a physician, as Delphine's husband, but he's almost a ghost in the historical record. Some accounts paint him as complicit in the torture, an active participant who may have used the enslaved people in the attic for medical experimentation. Other accounts suggest he was weak, dominated by his older wife, aware of what was happening but too passive to stop it. What we know for certain is that he was there. Together, Delphine and Lewis purchased the mansion at 1140 Royal Street. The property was custom built to Delphine's specifications. Three stories, elegant Creole architecture, all the features that would make it suitable for the kind of entertaining she planned to do, and entertained she did. Madame LaLaurie's parties became legendary in New Orleans society. Invitations were coveted. The guest lists read like a who's who of 1830s Louisiana power. Politicians, wealthy merchants, other Creole families, anyone who mattered. The mansion would be lit with hundreds of candles. Musicians would play. Servants would circulate with trays of champagne and delicacies. Madame LaLaurie herself would move through the rooms in the latest Paris fashion, charming everyone. The perfect hostess. And the whole time, people were suffering in the attic above. But there were cracks in the façade, small ones at first. Easy to dismiss if you wanted to believe in Madame LaLaurie's public image. In 1833, a full year before the fire, a neighbor witnessed something disturbing. Through their window, they saw Madame LaLaurie chasing a young enslaved girl across the mansion's courtyard. The girl, maybe 12 years old, was trying to escape. Madame LaLaurie was pursuing her with a cowhide whip, shouting, striking when she got close enough. The girl ran across the courtyard into the house, up the stairs. The neighbor lost sight of them for a moment. Then she saw movement on the roof. The girl had gone up, trying to get away. Maybe hoping to reach a neighboring roof. Maybe just panicked and not thinking clearly. What happens next depends on which account you read. Some say the girl jumped to escape further beating. Others say she fell. Either way, either way, she went over the edge and died in the courtyard. The neighbor reported it immediately. This wasn't something that could be ignored. A child had died. Witnesses had seen the chase. The body was right there in the courtyard. Authorities investigated, and here's where the broken system comes into full view. Madame LaLaurie was fined $300 and ordered to sell nine of her enslaved workers. That was it. No criminal charges for a child's death. No investigation into the conditions that would make a 12-year-old choose to run across a rooftop rather than face her owner. Just a fine and a forced sale of property. And even that minimal consequence didn't stick. Madame LaLaurie had the enslaved people sold to one of her relatives, who then quietly transferred them back to her. The system let her. No one followed up. No one checked. And life at 1140 Royal Street continued exactly as before. There was other reports in the years leading up to the fire. An enslaved man wearing an iron collar with spikes, a device specifically designed to prevent him from lying down to sleep, to keep him in constant pain and exhaustion. People who appeared malnourished when they answered the door or worked in the garden. Bruises, injuries, a general sense that something was deeply wrong. But Madame LaLaurie had protection. Her family name carried weight. Her social connections created a buffer between her and accountability. Her wealth meant she could hire lawyers, influence officials, make problems disappear. And in 1830s New Orleans, where slavery was legal and the testimony of enslaved people held no legal weight, what happened behind closed doors stayed behind closed doors until it couldn't anymore. After the fire, after the discovery, Madame LaLaurie and her husband fled New Orleans. The exact details of their escape are murky. Some accounts say they took a schooner across Lake Pontchartrain. Others suggest they headed straight for the coast and caught a ship to France. What's certain is that they got out fast and they never returned. For years there were reported sightings. Someone claimed to have seen her in Paris. Someone else swore they'd encounter Dr. LaLaurie in New York under an assumed name. But nothing was ever confirmed. And Louisiana authorities showed remarkably little interest in pursuing extradition. There's a death certificate in Paris dated December 7th, 1849, listing Madame LaLaurie, named Marie Delphine McCarty, as the deceased. If that's her, and historians generally believe it is, then she lived another 15 years after the fire. 15 years in Paris, far from the scene of her crimes, never facing trial, never answering for what she did. And the victims? The survivors of her torture chamber? They received medical care immediately after the rescue. Doctors documented their injuries. The court recorded their existence. And then they disappear from the historical record. We don't have their names. Not all of them, anyway. We don't know if they recovered. We don't know how long they lived. We don't know if they ever found any measure of peace or justice. Because that's the thing about the LaLaurie Mansion story that often gets buried under the ghost house and paranormal investigations. The real victims were enslaved people whose suffering was ignored until it became too public to hide. Their pain was real. Their deaths were real. And the fact that Madame LaLaurie faced no legal consequences is a historical fact that should sit heavy with anyone who tells this story. She wasn't a Halloween monster. She wasn't some supernatural villain from a horror movie. She was a real woman who used her wealth and status to inflict terrible suffering on real people. And the system protected her right up until she ran away. That's the history. That's what actually happened at 1140 Royal Street. And if the place is haunted, if there are restless spirits in those rooms, maybe it's because that kind of injustice doesn't just fade away with time.

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[27:30] After Madame LaLaurie fled, the mansion at 1140 Royal Street became a problem nobody wanted to solve. They broke through the doors, smashed the elegant windows she had been so proud of, tore apart the expensive French furniture, destroyed the crystal chandeliers, ripped paintings off the walls. Anything associated with the woman who had committed such horrors, anything that represented her wealth and status while people suffered in the attic above, it all got destroyed. By the time they were done, the elegant mansion was a shell. Windows gaped empty, doors hung crooked on broken hinges. The interior that had once hosted the cream of New Orleans society looked like a war zone, and nobody wanted to touch it. The property sat empty for months. Then it was sold, at a significant loss to someone willing to overlook its dark history. Or at least, someone willing to try. The first buyer's name has been lost to history, but their experience hasn't. Within weeks of moving in, they started hearing things. Footsteps in the hallway when no one was there. Doors opening and closing on their own. Unmistakably coming from inside the walls. They moved out. The property sold again. In 1837, just three years after the fire, a man tried to operate the building as apartments, dividing the large mansion into smaller units to rent out. It seemed like a practical plan. New Orleans was growing. Housing was needed. And the building's dark history might be overlooked if the rent was cheap enough. Tenants moved in. Tenants moved out fast. The reports were consistent across different renters who didn't know each other and had no contact. Sounds of screaming coming from the walls, especially at night. Chains rattling in empty rooms. The smell of decay appearing suddenly in one area, overwhelming and sickening, then vanishing just as quickly with no source found. One tenant reported waking in the middle of the night to see a woman standing at the foot of their bed. She appeared to be in her twenties, wearing clothing from an earlier era, and she was crying silently. When the tenants set up in bed, the woman vanished. Another described hearing a child crying somewhere in the building. The apartment experiment lasted less than a year. The owner closed it down, unable to keep tenants long enough to make the business viable. The building cycled through uses over the next several decades, a school briefly until teachers reported unexplained cold spots in certain rooms, and students refused to go near the attic stairs. A furniture store in the late 1800s, until workers started experiencing things that made them refuse to be in the building alone. The furniture store era is particularly well documented because it involved multiple witnesses who had no financial incentive to lie or exaggerate. Workers reported seeing figures in the hallways during deliveries, people in old-fashioned clothing who would appear, walk a few steps and vanish. One delivery man swore he had been physically pushed on the main staircase by invisible hands, nearly causing him to fall down the entire flight. The store's manager kept a journal documenting the incidents, trying to find rational explanations. His entries start skeptical, attributing things to old building settling, tricks of the light, workers' imaginations. But by the end, his tone had changed completely. His final entry, written shortly before he quit, describes an experience where he was alone in the building after closing, and heard what sounded like multiple people screaming from the third floor. He went to investigate, found nothing, but the screaming continued the entire time he was searching. He wrote, I have worked in many buildings, I have never felt evil before tonight. The building stood empty again. Years passed. The structure deteriorated. Parts of it were damaged in various storms that swept through New Orleans. But somehow it never quite fell down, never quite got demolished. It just persisted, this elegant, terrible monument to what had happened there. In the 1890s, a caretaker was hired to look after the property while the current owners tried to decide what to do with it. He was a practical man, a veteran, who had seen combat and didn't believe in ghosts. He agreed to live on the property, keep squatters out, maintain basic security. He lasted three nights. On the third night, he heard moaning coming from the attic. He had been specifically told that the attic was empty and sealed. There was no way anyone could be up there. But the moaning continued, rhythmic and pained. Unmistakably human, he went to investigate, carrying a lamp and a weapon. The attic was indeed empty, or appeared to be. No people, no animals, no obvious source for the sound. But as he stood there, the temperature dropped. His breath became visible in the summer heat. Thank you for joining us at the LaLaurie Mansion, which still stands at 1140 Royal Street in New Orleans. You can walk past it today. See the ironwork balconies. Imagine the parties that once filled those rooms with music and laughter, while people screamed in the attic above. It's beautiful and it's horrifying. Just like so much of history. Thank you for joining me on this journey into the darkness. I'm Carman Carrion. I'm Carman Carrion. And this has been Destination Terror. Until next time, stay safe out there. Until we meet at our next destination.

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